This is the exact kind of shit that happens when you keep shady people in your life and refuse to set boundaries. I hope OP’s husband learned his lesson.
Yep. The people you chose to associate with and behaviors you enable will say a lot about you. And if you chose the wrong people or behaviors, it'll bite you eventually.
This is why I cringe when I hear a big friend group. It's not normal to be "close" to so many people. Even Jesus got burned by having a big friend group.
I think he is flattered by the attention. Men and women LIKE having someone pine over them…pending it doesn’t escalate to stalking…so it’s hard to get rid of someone who strokes your ego. HE SHOULD HAVE ditched her after she said those awful things about OP and not doing so is why I believe he likes the attention
Usually, people like her have had a thing for their friend but won't act on it til their friend is with someone else. Not to mention the jealousy of the fact that the friend isn't noticing her like she wanted and loves someone else. So I'm not surprised that she tried to break them up before the wedding and hates op.
Kyla in the Friendzone: Yeah, I called it when OP talked about how Kyla would be super friendly with her and then act like she didn't exist whenever Hubby was gone. Kyla wants your husband. She's definitely not interested in "just being friends" with him. OP, you're not an idiot. Kyla gained your trust and decided to undermine your marriage in the hopes that she can be the rebound girl.
The husband is the biggest idiot in this story. Not only he missed red flags from Kayla, but allowed Kayla to bad mouth his wife-to-be and didn't tell his wife that he bumped into his ex, he kept quiet on both occasions which could've affected his marriage
STORY 1: hoped OP was "playing nice" to get more info from Kyla. Nope, turns out OP was really foolish enough to believe that she could be friends with a person who openly disrespected her & her marriage. Just because you forgive someone for negative actions against you doesn't mean you turn into a gullible fool. Always keep shady, sneaky people at arms length from you
The entire update was wild, but I laughed out loud when OP said she didn't know why Kyla was doing this. Girl how can you not know?! She's trying to break you up so she can be your husband's rebound! I can only hope that if something like this happens to me, I'm not nearly this oblivious.
Kyla definitely definitely thought they would have a story of being best friends and him realizing he loves her. But it didn't go that way. I don't understand how someone can be "friends" with someone that your marriage won't last and not support you.
Exactly. Husband is the biggest idiot in the story, not only he missed red flags but also didn't tell OP about his conversation with Kayla and him bumping into his ex. Why would you keep that quiet?
Kyla is 26 years old. THAT IS WAY TOO OLD TO DO WHAT SHE DID. Who does that? That's high school BS. Who is that immature? What the hell is wrong with people?
It's not the first, "My husband's high school friends are toxic" story. It's pretty coming, one couple in a long time friend-group grows up and has kids or gets married and the rest still want it to be like the old times.
Yes but the husband still kept the friendship. It would've been all on him if his marriage had failed. And why would not say to your wife that you bumped into your ex? Dumb.
I think the issue is him first hiding what she said, then using the argument that it's been years since the event. It's disingenuous. It's his fault OP only learned what happened after so long. Sad he seems to have gotten away with it.
Op is an idiot for not seeing that she has a husband problem. he continued to allow Kyla because he put his college friendship group above his marriage. Now they are still seeing her at social events.
I hope this is fake because I can't imagine being 27 and making a fake profile of the ex of your friend to mess with his marriage while being *"friends"* with the wife you were betting they wouldn't last. Who has the time and the energy for it?! Like toooo many steps and for what?
It wouldn't have surprised me I had a female best friend in high school who sabotaged two of my relationships. Even after cutting her off she still tries to get into contact with me to this very day. It's been 10 years
Well, the truth CAN be stranger than fiction. And I'll tell you what kind of person has the time to do this: People who are miserable, want what they can't have and, ultimately, people who have no life.
s1: NTA. she's envious, and she was openly malicious about it to their mutual friends. i don't understand why anyone (allegedly) hasn't called her out until now. husband isn't entirely TA either, but he defo needs to start setting some hard boundaries. update: her intentions are to poach your husband from you, OP. given no abuse, tribalism, or personality detriment, i can't think of any other reason for someone to break a couple up.
I do not understand people that put friends over their partner. It's so absolutely disrespectful period. If your SO tells you your friend is making you extremely uncomfortable you listen and stop the behavior. Your friend either respects your partner or they have to go!! The husband should have told her what Kyla said. She should apologize and try to make amends. It wouldn't bother me as much that she said it because I think it's common due to the short amount of time.. Eta: Sweet Baby Tiny Jesus WTF did I just hear in that Update?! 😳
Uh, what about "bros before hoes?" I've also heard reddit stories where partners get raked over the coals for ruining longtime friendships. That's why I understand why some people may put friends over partners......
@DrawciaGleam02 Normally, the "hoe" isn't your WIFE! The one you vowed to "forsake ALL others" for. Yes, there are toxic partners, but there are also toxic FRIENDS! And technically, "bros" are your MALE friends! Not your FEMALE friends. So Kyla would never be a "bro".
@@DrawciaGleam02 Qith "bros before hoes" those "bros" NEVER have a SO. They are just around to make sure no one in their friend group grows up and has a relationship and/or marriage.
Story 1: That this is even a question is a red flag all of it's own. Anyone trying to mess with my relationship, my SO wouldn't have to ask me to block that person. I'd check that shit all by myself.
'i Don't know why she did it." Really???? You know exactly why she did it. To break up your marriage and get with your husband is why she did it. Of course she posed as the ex to message you about the "affair". If your husband hasn't volunteered to cut her off yet, you might need to consider the "it's her or me" ultimatum. Ultimatums are generally a bad idea, so be prepared that he might choose her. But, think about it, if he hasn't offered to cut her off yet, that's a giant flaming red flag in its own right. Just maybe he's trying to keep his options open?
I'd have a hard time staying with someone who keeps friends that blatantly disrespected me, and when they've tried getting with my partner. And they audacity for him to yell OP she should've come to him first about the Joana nessages wfter after everything that's happened, the things he's enabled, and the things he "neglected" to say.
Story 2: Oof, I wouldn't diss the old brick Nokia. Those old phones could be used to give creeps concussions with a good throw, and keep working unlike today's phones. 😂😂😂
Story 1: OP's husband should thank his lucky stars she didn't leave him. I would've filed for divorce as soon as he told me he knew about Kyka betting against our marriage. Hubby and Kyla deserve each other.
Haven't even reached the update yet. Husband thinks she's just blunt and forthright??? she betted AGAINST your marriage. It doesn't matter how long ago it was. He also kept a whole bunch of lore from her. She doesn't have a friend problem. She has a husband problem.
Nah the husband was lucky. Not only he missed the red flags from Kayla but he withheld information on both occasions when Kayla said not to get married and him bumping into his ex. Why would you not tell this to your wife?
This!!! I'm surprised nobody saying this. The fact that he kept withholding information, like why didn't he say to OP that he bumped into his ex? Anybody would've been suspicious if they found out by someone else.
I'm stuck on the part where the husband apparently saw an ex, and instead of the wife questioning him about it, the person she goes to is Kyla, the one who wanted them to break up? I don't care how "friendly" they were at that point, you don't give a saboteur a second chance to do the same thing.
Exactly. That was weird as hell. It all just ended with "oh yeah I bumped into her, so how did you find out?" I mean that's it?!! Where's the crucial question "WHY DIDNT YOU TELL ME FIRST PLACE?" It's the second time this man withheld information, I wonder what else he kept to himself. Yikes
"She's is just blunt and forthright when she speaks, but does not mean those things" Why does this sentence contradict itself? That sentence alone is saying that person is an A S S
THIS. I'm usually blunt, but have some tact at least and I generally don't say anything I don't mean, aside from joking of course. But it's clear or I make it clear that I'm joking. you don't go around saying harsh things that can hurt feelings or wreck relationships if you don't 100 percent mean it. That's just ahole behavior and who would want you around?
Just by the title alone, i say this; I have no problem with a partner having a BFF of the opposite gender. Its gonna happen. But if your partner is uncomfortable with your BFF (male or female) being rude, crossing not just your boundaries but your partner's, you need to say sometimes and put the law down. All these types of stories reminds me of the OP whos GFs BBF was a gay man who was a POS and a master manipulator
Does anyone else noticed that husband is still a losser and not worth this lady's effort? How can u be friends with someone who called your wife a gold digger and not tell about meeting your ex unless u r wife asks u. OP should seriously consider if it's worth the efforts
Man you must not have any friends or loved ones close to you People in general have an optimistic view of people and are likely to view them in a good light People fuck up and he fixed it as soon as her true colors came out
(NTA) She said, "Don't marry the OP" there's no neutral ground here. Are all the friends single? And Kyla is a woman who either keeps flirting with your husband or really is like a sister, a toxic sister. This should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago. She'll continue to try to ruin your relationship and probably escalate, one drunken night and you won't know if your husband slept with Kyla or a random girl or not. Jen has some balls to mention the bet in front of you. The whole friend group sounds toxic. If you try to drop one friend the rest might drop you, be prepared for that. You don't have to tell your friends when and where you're going to propose, it's often better if the proposal is just something between the couple. The fact that Hubby didn't tell his friends that he was even thinking about it, is odd. So Hubby should have gotten a prenup, I think everyone should. You never know what will happen years down the line. And yeah, you should tell your partner everything about your friends and family. If you marry someone you pick them over everyone else, besides kids. So Hubby never dated Kyla, but he did get asked out by her, it's flirting. She's been flirting with him the whole time. That's if he's telling the truth. You can't make your husband decide to drop Kyla but you can say "It's me or your friend-group." "Something she said three years ago" and the friend-group remembers and expects payment. "They won't last more than two years if they get married" is not a one-off fleeting comment. "Blunt and forthright" means that she means those things. Ask your husband "If I'd be blunt and forthright, would you say that I don't mean it either? What about So-and-so, or what's his face?" "What if I had a male friend who kept touching me all the time?" I'm not even so sure about "Kyla not being his type" and that being enough for him to not hook up with her. We've heard it before, the long-time friend is the side piece. Update: "Just joking" and it's always targeting the OP, that's not a joke. I wouldn't trust anything Kyla said. I wish I could be a fly on the wall to hear that apology from Kyla. Joanna, oh... The plot thickens. Fake messages🤮. So Hubby doesn't tell OP everything but expects OP to do the same. "Lucky you're nerds" WTF? So this broke the friendship. People don't do 180-degree turns without one hell of a reason.
I am sad the story ended without confirmation Kyla was behind the whole thing, but mega glad Husband realized she's BAD NEWS and stopped seeing her ever again.
Story 1: Op goes to her husband with her concerns and he tells her to think about it and to calm down. Op takes her time and investigates and her husband says she should have come to him sooner. To be told she was crazy and overreacting? Seems like the husband is very eager to dismiss/blame his wife before anyone else while prioritizing the group/Kyla/himself all before his wife.
Story 1: Did I miss the part where Kyla is still touchy with OP's husband AFTER they married? I thought she was touchy and ignored OP BEFORE they married, three years previous to the post. Timing makes a difference to me. If Kyla was just one of their uni friends and respected the marriage, then I'd think OP was over-reacting. If, however, she was still sketchy after they married, then I agree that OP's husband needs to put Kyla in her place. Edit: Ok, I don't like either of these women. OP is too quick to fall into drama traps and Kyla is a special type of crap stirrer. I don't get how OP could go from asking her husband to block Kyla to being Kyla's bestie and confidant, then back to block that person. At this point? Yeah, both OP and her husband are wise to step back from Kyla's totally poor behavior.
Can't wait for a future update on how the husband's friends actually can't stand Kyla, but tolerate her bc she's his friend. This probably isn't her first rodeo. Somebody's more than likely seen her do the same shit before to other people.
I really hated Story 1 and can't imagine things can go well for much longer considering they DO NOT COMMUNICATE. It was so unsatisfying to see how Kyla wormed her way in, teaming up with an ex to break OP and her husband up. He didn't listen to her, didn't take her seriously, told her she was overreacting-- that man is such a wet blanket and so uncommunicative that it isn't even funny. If he didn't come across as so dense, I might have believed he was intentionally being shady. 1. didn't mention Kyla's clear obsession with him in college (asking him out MULTIPLE times is crazy), 2. didn't mention her rude "bet" to his then fiancee, now wife (kind of something she should know!?), 3. didn't mention running into his ex at this convention, especially considering that she was apparently his last serious relationship before OP... this man is stupid. He STILL appears to not have apologized to OP for any of it (although tbh I started skipping like halfway through bc they were driving me insane) and the whole situation still feels mostly unresolved. Omfg.
"Honey, Kyla is gone now & forever, or I am. Choose now. She wants you for herself." _"Kyla, you moron, he's my husband. Of course he's going to be out less. He never loved you the way you love him. Find someone for yourself. My hubby is MINE!"_
This happened to my wife and I. We met in February and married in November of the same year. Her oldest sister said we wouldn't last two years. Long story short: Its been 33 years, and that sister is the Godmother of all my children. I refused to let any one else be their Godmother! I love that sister, she is the best!
something like this happen to my parents. They married 6 months after meeting, and a lot of their friends told them they wouldn't last more than two years. funnily enough, they're one of the only two couples of that friend group that are still married 💀
1:46 When I was five there was this little boy that wouldn't leave me alone and he would pull my hair and he made me cry… And my mom told me that he did that because he liked me. You guys are full grown adults right? A four-year-old should understand what's happening here!
@@HeliosX28still married her while keeping a girl who he knows full well that she has a thing for him and likes to disrespect his wife? The fact he didn't shut that shit down immediately and kept this from his WIFE says it all.
The _whole friend group_ knew that A) Kyla acted sweet and loving when only the husband was around and didn’t care. B) That Kyla bad mouthed OP, called her a gold digger, etc. C) That Kyla openly said that the marriage wouldn't last. I don't know that I would trust that friend group again. Also, can we stop giving men a pass for being 'dopey'and 'clueless' when they refuse to set boundaries with people? Hubby _knew_ that Kyla asked him out and had feelings at least once upon a time, _knows_ that he doesn’t like being touched, but lets Kyla do so anyway, and knew the shitty things Kyla said after he proposed, but said that OP was overreacting. That kind of willful ignorance shit and socially giving it a pass needs to stop.
We have a name for folks like Kyla in my friend-group: spawn-camper. Lurks and lurks and waits to try and snipe the dude from you while he's vulnerable. She failed once when he broke up with Joanna and lost her shot when OP got in there first. Now, she's just been waiting for the next relationship kill--and if it won't come naturally, she's decided to engineer it herself.
I laughed when 'the bet' was made that the marriage wouldn't last two years. Similar comments were made when my wife and announced our engagement & marriage. It will never last, many said: she's divorced, she has two kids, he never wanted kids, he's divorced, he's older than him.... and on and on and on. Oh, I forgot to mention, we celebrated our 51st wedding anniversary last month. LOL
If one person in a relationship is uncomfortable being around their partner’s friend, that is going to have an effect on the relationship. In this particular situation, Kyla owes OP an apology and needs to be told that her flirtatious behaviour must stop if she wants to continue being welcome in their house. Demanding that your partner completely cut a long time friend out of his life though, may have adverse consequences as well.
My close friend group when I got married gave it 6 months. We are together over 26 years now. Most of that friend group I don’t hang around with because we grew apart and I have moved a couple of times
Story one - I actually have TWO theory about Kyla's motives here! 1. She has always wanted him, is upset at OP for sweeping him away before SHE had a chance to take advantage of his "venerable state"(as SHE called it) and in "helping his EX" back into his life she is has a chance to break them up without getting directly involved! If this is the case girl is play 3d chess while everyone else is playing checkers! She has let it slip her involvement with his EX so believe she will continue to sow the seeds of distrust if they continue to hang out! 2. She HATES OP to the point she doesn't care WHO is with him as long as he is not with OP. We have seen stories where delusional people "LOVE" the EX more then who they ended up with so they continue having a friendly relationship with them without their friend knowing. It FEELS like the first one is correct but there is this feeling that she stayed in touch with his EX this entire time. She hoped they wouldn't last as long as they did so she had to pull out her last attempt by getting him to cheat on OP.
My husband has a female friend from high school. We had a small wedding in a vintage church. When he told her she said everyone she knows who got married in that church hasn’t lasted. I thought that was a weird comment but cutting her off never crossed my mind. We have been together 21 years. I think she was wrong. 😂
4:58 -ish: "blunt and forthright" means that she DOES mean those things. It means that she is saying what she feels/thinks without couching it in kindness. Husband is either an idiot or too nice.
I feel like the husband is as much of an AH as Kyla is. He's been a little too shady about his ex about Kyla no wonder OP was wary of telling him everything
OP should have told Kayla she predicts friendship w her husband will not last. OP should call Kayla herself & say her piece. A few drinks and she lets down all inhibitions. She needs to stay home.
OP’s husband saying it harsh to stop inviting Kyla over after something she said years ago bothers me. If op knew what was said about her from the start she wouldn’t have been inviting Kyla into their marital home
1) It was 3yrs ago and made no difference to OP's husband, but only as she continues to be flirty towards him, and two-faced with OP he needs to be the one to tell her to cut it out or he will go low contact if she keep that up. He is happily married now and it's clear he had no interest in this other woman so I would just ignore it/her if I were OP. After update: I think it's nice OP got more understanding with her husband's friend, but it's too bad there is this new wrinkle. It's not nice now there is attempted manipulation of OP, good grief. It's good she and her husband are standing together against this BS. 2) Kudos for OP for this good outcome.
Story 1 - OP needs to stop being so naive! Kyla wants her husband for herself! OP and her husband both need to start telling each other everything, even things they think are trivial. That's how the snake was able to do her thing. I am considered blunt and forthright in my manner, but I am also not a snake with my "friends".
Kyla was correct that 1 year is too quick to propose. I did the same thing and am still married, but that was a mistake in retrospect. All the other crap was the problem, not the thinking that proposing that quickly was a problem.
I suspect that kyla was projecting when she kept saying that op was a golddigger and saying lies about op in her efforts to break the relationship. She definitely hates op and that her friend won't choose her. I understand that he's afraid of the dynamics changing but he needs to realize that kyla actually hates op and does mean every nasty thing she said. Kyla is also putting on a mask or he just doesn't want to see that kyla is hateful. Update, kyla was only trying to get into op's head and play nice. She was still trying to break the relationship. More than likely she teamed up with the ex to try to break the relationship. Then panicked that she was confronted and realized that she may not win. Op does need to be careful because kyla is only going to try something else as she's proven that she can't stand their relationship.
Story 1: Kyla played an ugly but stupid game. She accused both her long-time college friend (her unrequited crush, or just a friend who rejected her) and Joanna, a friend, both of being unfaithful to OP's marriage. How did Kyla think she personally would benefit? If she broke up OP's marriage with lies, she also would have alienated OP's husband, Joanna and probably their whole friend group when it inevitably came out. Duh, she just got herself rejected by all of her own old friends.
Divorce is never the way out, My wife and I have been having issues before I sort out help from a spiritual adviser,i wasn't going to let my marriage of 18years crash
"you can check my phone to check i didnt do anything" "oh, i do not need to do that" without mentioning that she already broke his privacy so it seems like she trusts him, not that she already did terrible things
I bet OP's husband was Kayla's back up plan. Kayla would have fun in college and then marry OP's rich husband. I guess Kayla never thought that he would date someone seriously after his break up. It makes me wonder if OP's husband was just a friend to Kayla but friendzoned and giving Kayla "boyfriend privileges" without the relationship/intimacy? I bet that OP's husband paid for things for Kayla (dinners, vacations, etc) all under the guise of "friendship".🤔 If OP's husband doesn't put a stop to Kayla's behavior he'll never be in another relationship, unless it's with her.
I wish that I could have a dollar for every time someone said "you're over reacting" in the world, and it eventually (nearly always) turns out that it wasn't over reacting 😉
If this is something she said more than two years ago and has not acted on anything or acted out in that timeframe it is time to be like Elsa and just let it go
It's all in the past forget about it. Do not let the past ruin the present and future. Just learn to put up with this Kyla, we have to learn how to deal with crazy people all the time. This Kyla sounds kind of crazy anyway. Do not let her get to you.
You know what every time there’s a story about a wife/girlfriend who has a male friend who is attracted to her you always are very adamant in that she needs to stop seeing that friend. But now here you are advocating for the husband not cutting out a female friend who is attracted to him and tried to get with him. Double standards ?? A bit. I’ve notice you are a bit sexist in your comments sometimes.
It seems to be other people in the comments as well, I guess it's just more acceptable for men to keep women who like them in their friend groups but not for women 😕
I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only one railing against that double standard. When the flirted with person is a guy, suddenly men don't know what flirting looks like, they're so dopey and clueless, isn't it cute? The female partner needs to chill out and be less insecure. When a woman has a friend flirting and crossing boundaries, guys immediately know what flirting looks like regardless of the gender doing it, the woman is called disrespectful of the partner and relationship, he's told to send her back to the streets, the term orbiter gets tossed about along with backup plan and male OP will be warned to get a paternity test, even if kids aren't even on the horizon.
Still in the first part, when someone is blunt and that person is a guy, you can easily take it as a mistake, many guys are like that, saying things without realising the 'implications' of how what they said may be interpreted. Women on the other hand, with some exceptions, are more deliberate with remarks like this..
I'm at the end of the explanation of the OP. From my perspective, she is not the asshole, she is not overreacting, but it is not a real problem. I know for sure that there are friends from my wife that don't like me. I know that there are friends of mine who don't like my wife. I know for sure that there are friends from my wife that I hate, that I think are bad people. And in some cases, it has been proven. I know that most of you will be in the same situation. Life causes it. I will never force my wife to cut contact with people I don't like, or that talk badly about me, and she doesn't do it, either. We will speak about these things, and we will share our thoughts about our mutual friends and each of us will make his/her own choice. At the same time, if someone badmouths my wife, or me, we stop them. Whatever the case we cut with them or prove them they were wrong. Life is complex, and people are not "friend or foe". In this case, after 2 years she has proven his friend was wrong. No harm done. If things go to worse it is him that needs to do his moves. It is his friends. He had to stop them. From what I read of the story, he already did. He got married and she was active in the wedding preparations.
Not the A hole but also edging toward it people know 40% of marriages fail. Some people have dark humour thing like deathpools in offices and such like that, so this woman having a bet with OP's husband that the marriage would not last bad, but a bet (and i think this is a verbal bet not a money bet) with friends and not involved in the other person's relationship is things that happens, and it does not appear that K has done anything to make her bet come true... also if this was an actual money bet then anyone participating with it is a danger, however from the tone from a group it sounds like a verbal bet, which is very very different. After the update it seems different but also I think OP might have taken some of the stuff into the "friendship" from the get go, she said it was an issue from the beginning, nothing wrong with being two introverts, but OP says in round about words she is bad at reading the room. Kyla does seem a bit toxic, in the update... but i do not know how much would have been defused from the get go... but also there are a range of different things here ... Blocking Kyla from the friends group forces the friends group to choose sides and this ends horrible, but have Kyla when the friends were around. Be aware of Kyla, and not do anything with her alone, and can not block her from group things without strong evidence.
Dont play coy OP. You all know exactly what your husband's friend's intentions are. You need to expose her to everyone before she starts sowing more seeds of discord. When someone throws hands at you, peace is no longer an option. The peace in the group is now broken. The others just dont know it. And thats not cool. For you or them.
This is the exact kind of shit that happens when you keep shady people in your life and refuse to set boundaries. I hope OP’s husband learned his lesson.
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Yep. The people you chose to associate with and behaviors you enable will say a lot about you. And if you chose the wrong people or behaviors, it'll bite you eventually.
This is why I cringe when I hear a big friend group. It's not normal to be "close" to so many people. Even Jesus got burned by having a big friend group.
Exactly!
I think he is flattered by the attention. Men and women LIKE having someone pine over them…pending it doesn’t escalate to stalking…so it’s hard to get rid of someone who strokes your ego. HE SHOULD HAVE ditched her after she said those awful things about OP and not doing so is why I believe he likes the attention
Kyla more than likely wants to be with OP’s husband.
Yeah, she definitely is trying to steal him. And after the update, it looks like karma delivered a KO to her plans.
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Usually, people like her have had a thing for their friend but won't act on it til their friend is with someone else. Not to mention the jealousy of the fact that the friend isn't noticing her like she wanted and loves someone else.
So I'm not surprised that she tried to break them up before the wedding and hates op.
Maybe she's was still jelly that he didn't want to date her
People like this also get a "my plan is so clever, I can manipulate people😄" thrill out of it as well. They're disturbing😒
Kyla in the Friendzone: Yeah, I called it when OP talked about how Kyla would be super friendly with her and then act like she didn't exist whenever Hubby was gone. Kyla wants your husband. She's definitely not interested in "just being friends" with him.
OP, you're not an idiot. Kyla gained your trust and decided to undermine your marriage in the hopes that she can be the rebound girl.
And; hugs, spankings and nugies...
The husband is the biggest idiot in this story. Not only he missed red flags from Kayla, but allowed Kayla to bad mouth his wife-to-be and didn't tell his wife that he bumped into his ex, he kept quiet on both occasions which could've affected his marriage
STORY 1: hoped OP was "playing nice" to get more info from Kyla. Nope, turns out OP was really foolish enough to believe that she could be friends with a person who openly disrespected her & her marriage. Just because you forgive someone for negative actions against you doesn't mean you turn into a gullible fool. Always keep shady, sneaky people at arms length from you
I myself am quite a blunt person to the point of getting in trouble sometimes and Kyla isn't blunt, she's just disrespectful of boundaries.
The entire update was wild, but I laughed out loud when OP said she didn't know why Kyla was doing this. Girl how can you not know?! She's trying to break you up so she can be your husband's rebound! I can only hope that if something like this happens to me, I'm not nearly this oblivious.
Kyla definitely definitely thought they would have a story of being best friends and him realizing he loves her. But it didn't go that way. I don't understand how someone can be "friends" with someone that your marriage won't last and not support you.
The husband is the AH for not blocking Kyla on his own.
Exactly. Husband is the biggest idiot in the story, not only he missed red flags but also didn't tell OP about his conversation with Kayla and him bumping into his ex. Why would you keep that quiet?
After she blatantly tried to break them up with lies about him I was expecting a total cut. What a shit husband.
It's his ego, some guys like the idea of another woman desiring them and doesn't want to break that.
Kyla is 26 years old. THAT IS WAY TOO OLD TO DO WHAT SHE DID. Who does that? That's high school BS. Who is that immature? What the hell is wrong with people?
Some people don't leave that high school mentality unfortunately
It's not the first, "My husband's high school friends are toxic" story. It's pretty coming, one couple in a long time friend-group grows up and has kids or gets married and the rest still want it to be like the old times.
Yes but the husband still kept the friendship. It would've been all on him if his marriage had failed.
And why would not say to your wife that you bumped into your ex? Dumb.
I think the issue is him first hiding what she said, then using the argument that it's been years since the event. It's disingenuous. It's his fault OP only learned what happened after so long. Sad he seems to have gotten away with it.
AND the fact he bumped into his ex! Why would you withhold that information from your wife?
Op is an idiot for not seeing that she has a husband problem. he continued to allow Kyla because he put his college friendship group above his marriage. Now they are still seeing her at social events.
This! And why didn't he say to OP that he bumped into his ex? That was bloody stupid of him, anybody would've been suspicious.
@@schy9614 yup
As a man raised by women almost all my life, and has mainly female cousins and family friends. She’s seeing what she can get away with.
Boundary pushing and “seeing what you can get away with” is not isolated to one gender.
@@joiestorme obviously, but women especially do it, and they do it very subtly.
I hope this is fake because I can't imagine being 27 and making a fake profile of the ex of your friend to mess with his marriage while being *"friends"* with the wife you were betting they wouldn't last. Who has the time and the energy for it?! Like toooo many steps and for what?
It wouldn't have surprised me I had a female best friend in high school who sabotaged two of my relationships. Even after cutting her off she still tries to get into contact with me to this very day. It's been 10 years
Well, the truth CAN be stranger than fiction. And I'll tell you what kind of person has the time to do this: People who are miserable, want what they can't have and, ultimately, people who have no life.
Nah I knew people like that but I also know their diagnosis and was willing to testify after they were deported from another country for DV
Young adults are often immature. Everyone in this story sounds super immature.
According to reddit, lots of people.
Mood booster: Karma is running away from your old debts only for your old employee to help them find your again. 😂
That one made my soul smile😅
s1: NTA. she's envious, and she was openly malicious about it to their mutual friends. i don't understand why anyone (allegedly) hasn't called her out until now. husband isn't entirely TA either, but he defo needs to start setting some hard boundaries.
update: her intentions are to poach your husband from you, OP. given no abuse, tribalism, or personality detriment, i can't think of any other reason for someone to break a couple up.
I do not understand people that put friends over their partner. It's so absolutely disrespectful period. If your SO tells you your friend is making you extremely uncomfortable you listen and stop the behavior. Your friend either respects your partner or they have to go!!
The husband should have told her what Kyla said. She should apologize and try to make amends. It wouldn't bother me as much that she said it because I think it's common due to the short amount of time..
Eta: Sweet Baby Tiny Jesus WTF did I just hear in that Update?! 😳
Uh, what about "bros before hoes?" I've also heard reddit stories where partners get raked over the coals for ruining longtime friendships. That's why I understand why some people may put friends over partners......
"Bros before hoes" assumes a lot, but the thing it assumes the most is that the bro isn't in the wrong@DrawciaGleam02
@DrawciaGleam02 Normally, the "hoe" isn't your WIFE! The one you vowed to "forsake ALL others" for. Yes, there are toxic partners, but there are also toxic FRIENDS!
And technically, "bros" are your MALE friends! Not your FEMALE friends. So Kyla would never be a "bro".
@@DrawciaGleam02 if my husband valued his “bros” so much more over me, he can have them, and I’ll be on my merry way.
@@DrawciaGleam02 Qith "bros before hoes" those "bros" NEVER have a SO. They are just around to make sure no one in their friend group grows up and has a relationship and/or marriage.
Story 1: That this is even a question is a red flag all of it's own. Anyone trying to mess with my relationship, my SO wouldn't have to ask me to block that person. I'd check that shit all by myself.
'i Don't know why she did it." Really???? You know exactly why she did it. To break up your marriage and get with your husband is why she did it. Of course she posed as the ex to message you about the "affair". If your husband hasn't volunteered to cut her off yet, you might need to consider the "it's her or me" ultimatum. Ultimatums are generally a bad idea, so be prepared that he might choose her. But, think about it, if he hasn't offered to cut her off yet, that's a giant flaming red flag in its own right. Just maybe he's trying to keep his options open?
Unless they have good reason to do so, if someone directly threatens your marriage, get them out of your life.
This is why the husband is the stupid one in this story.
I'd have a hard time staying with someone who keeps friends that blatantly disrespected me, and when they've tried getting with my partner.
And they audacity for him to yell OP she should've come to him first about the Joana nessages wfter after everything that's happened, the things he's enabled, and the things he "neglected" to say.
Story 2: Oof, I wouldn't diss the old brick Nokia. Those old phones could be used to give creeps concussions with a good throw, and keep working unlike today's phones. 😂😂😂
Story 1: OP's husband should thank his lucky stars she didn't leave him. I would've filed for divorce as soon as he told me he knew about Kyka betting against our marriage. Hubby and Kyla deserve each other.
Haven't even reached the update yet. Husband thinks she's just blunt and forthright??? she betted AGAINST your marriage. It doesn't matter how long ago it was. He also kept a whole bunch of lore from her. She doesn't have a friend problem. She has a husband problem.
Sounds like Kyla invented the Joanna account and made everything up herself. I'm glad she's gone and OP and her husband came out just fine.
He’s still a spineless idiot
Nah the husband was lucky. Not only he missed the red flags from Kayla but he withheld information on both occasions when Kayla said not to get married and him bumping into his ex. Why would you not tell this to your wife?
The husband is the biggest AH here. He did a ton of shady 💩
This!!! I'm surprised nobody saying this. The fact that he kept withholding information, like why didn't he say to OP that he bumped into his ex? Anybody would've been suspicious if they found out by someone else.
I'm stuck on the part where the husband apparently saw an ex, and instead of the wife questioning him about it, the person she goes to is Kyla, the one who wanted them to break up? I don't care how "friendly" they were at that point, you don't give a saboteur a second chance to do the same thing.
Yeah. That made no sense. It makes me wonder if the story is real.
Exactly. That was weird as hell. It all just ended with "oh yeah I bumped into her, so how did you find out?" I mean that's it?!! Where's the crucial question "WHY DIDNT YOU TELL ME FIRST PLACE?"
It's the second time this man withheld information, I wonder what else he kept to himself. Yikes
"She's is just blunt and forthright when she speaks, but does not mean those things"
Why does this sentence contradict itself? That sentence alone is saying that person is an A S S
THIS. I'm usually blunt, but have some tact at least and I generally don't say anything I don't mean, aside from joking of course. But it's clear or I make it clear that I'm joking. you don't go around saying harsh things that can hurt feelings or wreck relationships if you don't 100 percent mean it. That's just ahole behavior and who would want you around?
But why OP’s didn’t mention that he saw his ex? Why didn’t he mention about Kyla asking him out and that comment? Husband needs to be more forthcoming
Is she blunt and forthright, or does she not mean the things she says? These 2 options seem pretty mutually exclusive.
Just by the title alone, i say this;
I have no problem with a partner having a BFF of the opposite gender. Its gonna happen. But if your partner is uncomfortable with your BFF (male or female) being rude, crossing not just your boundaries but your partner's, you need to say sometimes and put the law down.
All these types of stories reminds me of the OP whos GFs BBF was a gay man who was a POS and a master manipulator
I remember that story, a lot of women were calling OP insecure and controlling for wanting her to cut contact with him 🙄
@@HeliosX28 Didn't the OP break up with her because she didn't cut ties? Because that's what I remember about it, sad that she didn't. 😢😢😢
@@Sparky0627 I know that they're not together anymore, but I forgot who broke up with who because they had a big fight...
It's one thing to worry your friend is rushing into a relationship, it's another to do this crazy shit and try to destroy their relationship.
Does anyone else noticed that husband is still a losser and not worth this lady's effort? How can u be friends with someone who called your wife a gold digger and not tell about meeting your ex unless u r wife asks u. OP should seriously consider if it's worth the efforts
I felt pretty similarly. I couldn't stay with someone who keeps people like this around and let's then treat me like this.
Man you must not have any friends or loved ones close to you
People in general have an optimistic view of people and are likely to view them in a good light
People fuck up and he fixed it as soon as her true colors came out
Because the only woman that actually matters to him is his wife. The rest he doesn't care about so he also doesn't actually care what they think.
I love that mood-booster revenge!! Chef's kiss 😛
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Hope OP's husband is no longer in contact with his friend!
(NTA) She said, "Don't marry the OP" there's no neutral ground here. Are all the friends single? And Kyla is a woman who either keeps flirting with your husband or really is like a sister, a toxic sister. This should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago. She'll continue to try to ruin your relationship and probably escalate, one drunken night and you won't know if your husband slept with Kyla or a random girl or not. Jen has some balls to mention the bet in front of you. The whole friend group sounds toxic. If you try to drop one friend the rest might drop you, be prepared for that. You don't have to tell your friends when and where you're going to propose, it's often better if the proposal is just something between the couple. The fact that Hubby didn't tell his friends that he was even thinking about it, is odd. So Hubby should have gotten a prenup, I think everyone should. You never know what will happen years down the line. And yeah, you should tell your partner everything about your friends and family. If you marry someone you pick them over everyone else, besides kids. So Hubby never dated Kyla, but he did get asked out by her, it's flirting. She's been flirting with him the whole time. That's if he's telling the truth. You can't make your husband decide to drop Kyla but you can say "It's me or your friend-group." "Something she said three years ago" and the friend-group remembers and expects payment. "They won't last more than two years if they get married" is not a one-off fleeting comment. "Blunt and forthright" means that she means those things. Ask your husband "If I'd be blunt and forthright, would you say that I don't mean it either? What about So-and-so, or what's his face?" "What if I had a male friend who kept touching me all the time?" I'm not even so sure about "Kyla not being his type" and that being enough for him to not hook up with her. We've heard it before, the long-time friend is the side piece.
Update: "Just joking" and it's always targeting the OP, that's not a joke. I wouldn't trust anything Kyla said. I wish I could be a fly on the wall to hear that apology from Kyla. Joanna, oh... The plot thickens. Fake messages🤮. So Hubby doesn't tell OP everything but expects OP to do the same. "Lucky you're nerds" WTF? So this broke the friendship. People don't do 180-degree turns without one hell of a reason.
Her husband didn't set boundaries and instead of cutting her off he's choosing to keep the peace w his friends. He's spineless.
I am sad the story ended without confirmation Kyla was behind the whole thing, but mega glad Husband realized she's BAD NEWS and stopped seeing her ever again.
Story 1: Op goes to her husband with her concerns and he tells her to think about it and to calm down. Op takes her time and investigates and her husband says she should have come to him sooner. To be told she was crazy and overreacting? Seems like the husband is very eager to dismiss/blame his wife before anyone else while prioritizing the group/Kyla/himself all before his wife.
You're kinda reaching there, as those were separated conversations in different situations and on top of that were months apart...
I will never understand how people presume know what a person wants in a person enough to think they should have a say in who they date
FANTASTIC MOOD BOOSTER! AWESOME!
Kyla this isnt a romcom 😂😂😂😂
Great video, that mood booster was awesome!
Story 1: Did I miss the part where Kyla is still touchy with OP's husband AFTER they married? I thought she was touchy and ignored OP BEFORE they married, three years previous to the post. Timing makes a difference to me. If Kyla was just one of their uni friends and respected the marriage, then I'd think OP was over-reacting. If, however, she was still sketchy after they married, then I agree that OP's husband needs to put Kyla in her place.
Edit: Ok, I don't like either of these women. OP is too quick to fall into drama traps and Kyla is a special type of crap stirrer. I don't get how OP could go from asking her husband to block Kyla to being Kyla's bestie and confidant, then back to block that person. At this point? Yeah, both OP and her husband are wise to step back from Kyla's totally poor behavior.
She should video call the fake account at the next get together
Can't wait for a future update on how the husband's friends actually can't stand Kyla, but tolerate her bc she's his friend. This probably isn't her first rodeo. Somebody's more than likely seen her do the same shit before to other people.
I really hated Story 1 and can't imagine things can go well for much longer considering they DO NOT COMMUNICATE. It was so unsatisfying to see how Kyla wormed her way in, teaming up with an ex to break OP and her husband up. He didn't listen to her, didn't take her seriously, told her she was overreacting-- that man is such a wet blanket and so uncommunicative that it isn't even funny. If he didn't come across as so dense, I might have believed he was intentionally being shady. 1. didn't mention Kyla's clear obsession with him in college (asking him out MULTIPLE times is crazy), 2. didn't mention her rude "bet" to his then fiancee, now wife (kind of something she should know!?), 3. didn't mention running into his ex at this convention, especially considering that she was apparently his last serious relationship before OP... this man is stupid. He STILL appears to not have apologized to OP for any of it (although tbh I started skipping like halfway through bc they were driving me insane) and the whole situation still feels mostly unresolved. Omfg.
I doubt there was any teaming up. OP noticed that the account that messaged her and Joanna's actual account were different, that one had no posts.
This!! Honestly the husband is the biggest idiot in this story.
"Honey, Kyla is gone now & forever, or I am. Choose now. She wants you for herself."
_"Kyla, you moron, he's my husband. Of course he's going to be out less. He never loved you the way you love him. Find someone for yourself. My hubby is MINE!"_
This happened to my wife and I. We met in February and married in November of the same year. Her oldest sister said we wouldn't last two years. Long story short: Its been 33 years, and that sister is the Godmother of all my children. I refused to let any one else be their Godmother! I love that sister, she is the best!
something like this happen to my parents. They married 6 months after meeting, and a lot of their friends told them they wouldn't last more than two years. funnily enough, they're one of the only two couples of that friend group that are still married 💀
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1:46 When I was five there was this little boy that wouldn't leave me alone and he would pull my hair and he made me cry… And my mom told me that he did that because he liked me. You guys are full grown adults right? A four-year-old should understand what's happening here!
I think you should RUN!!!!!!! I don't trust that he trusts her so much. He took her side over yours. Enough said. Sorry. Good luck.
How did he take her side when he still married OP???
@@HeliosX28still married her while keeping a girl who he knows full well that she has a thing for him and likes to disrespect his wife? The fact he didn't shut that shit down immediately and kept this from his WIFE says it all.
The _whole friend group_ knew that
A) Kyla acted sweet and loving when only the husband was around and didn’t care.
B) That Kyla bad mouthed OP, called her a gold digger, etc.
C) That Kyla openly said that the marriage wouldn't last.
I don't know that I would trust that friend group again.
Also, can we stop giving men a pass for being 'dopey'and 'clueless' when they refuse to set boundaries with people? Hubby _knew_ that Kyla asked him out and had feelings at least once upon a time, _knows_ that he doesn’t like being touched, but lets Kyla do so anyway, and knew the shitty things Kyla said after he proposed, but said that OP was overreacting. That kind of willful ignorance shit and socially giving it a pass needs to stop.
Yeah right. Op should have come to her husband, after he hid important stuff from her constantly. This guy🤦🏻♀️
Story 2 is proof that Karma exists. What an epic revenge.
We have a name for folks like Kyla in my friend-group: spawn-camper. Lurks and lurks and waits to try and snipe the dude from you while he's vulnerable. She failed once when he broke up with Joanna and lost her shot when OP got in there first. Now, she's just been waiting for the next relationship kill--and if it won't come naturally, she's decided to engineer it herself.
I laughed when 'the bet' was made that the marriage wouldn't last two years. Similar comments were made when my wife and announced our engagement & marriage. It will never last, many said: she's divorced, she has two kids, he never wanted kids, he's divorced, he's older than him.... and on and on and on.
Oh, I forgot to mention, we celebrated our 51st wedding anniversary last month. LOL
That plot twist...😲
If one person in a relationship is uncomfortable being around their partner’s friend, that is going to have an effect on the relationship. In this particular situation, Kyla owes OP an apology and needs to be told that her flirtatious behaviour must stop if she wants to continue being welcome in their house. Demanding that your partner completely cut a long time friend out of his life though, may have adverse consequences as well.
My close friend group when I got married gave it 6 months. We are together over 26 years now. Most of that friend group I don’t hang around with because we grew apart and I have moved a couple of times
Story one - I actually have TWO theory about Kyla's motives here!
1. She has always wanted him, is upset at OP for sweeping him away before SHE had a chance to take advantage of his "venerable state"(as SHE called it) and in "helping his EX" back into his life she is has a chance to break them up without getting directly involved! If this is the case girl is play 3d chess while everyone else is playing checkers! She has let it slip her involvement with his EX so believe she will continue to sow the seeds of distrust if they continue to hang out!
2. She HATES OP to the point she doesn't care WHO is with him as long as he is not with OP. We have seen stories where delusional people "LOVE" the EX more then who they ended up with so they continue having a friendly relationship with them without their friend knowing.
It FEELS like the first one is correct but there is this feeling that she stayed in touch with his EX this entire time. She hoped they wouldn't last as long as they did so she had to pull out her last attempt by getting him to cheat on OP.
Kyla felt OP wasn’t the right one for the husband. And who is? Kyla? Cause he rejected her 🤣
My husband has a female friend from high school. We had a small wedding in a vintage church. When he told her she said everyone she knows who got married in that church hasn’t lasted. I thought that was a weird comment but cutting her off never crossed my mind. We have been together 21 years. I think she was wrong. 😂
It was 3 years ago. If nothing has happened in the last 3 years then yes, she is overblowing it.
Mood booster post: Hey, those Nokia phones were tough and reliable.
4:58 -ish: "blunt and forthright" means that she DOES mean those things. It means that she is saying what she feels/thinks without couching it in kindness. Husband is either an idiot or too nice.
I feel like the husband is as much of an AH as Kyla is. He's been a little too shady about his ex about Kyla no wonder OP was wary of telling him everything
OP should have told Kayla she predicts friendship w her husband will not last. OP should call Kayla herself & say her piece. A few drinks and she lets down all inhibitions. She needs to stay home.
Sounds like something shady Kayla would do. Get an internet PI & find out who is doing this. Explain the video game lie.
OP’s husband saying it harsh to stop inviting Kyla over after something she said years ago bothers me. If op knew what was said about her from the start she wouldn’t have been inviting Kyla into their marital home
1) It was 3yrs ago and made no difference to OP's husband, but only as she continues to be flirty towards him, and two-faced with OP he needs to be the one to tell her to cut it out or he will go low contact if she keep that up. He is happily married now and it's clear he had no interest in this other woman so I would just ignore it/her if I were OP.
After update: I think it's nice OP got more understanding with her husband's friend, but it's too bad there is this new wrinkle. It's not nice now there is attempted manipulation of OP, good grief. It's good she and her husband are standing together against this BS.
2) Kudos for OP for this good outcome.
Story 1 - OP needs to stop being so naive! Kyla wants her husband for herself! OP and her husband both need to start telling each other everything, even things they think are trivial. That's how the snake was able to do her thing. I am considered blunt and forthright in my manner, but I am also not a snake with my "friends".
Kayla calling them nerds for playing games together will set red flags immediately. It's 2020s, it's no longer cool to to call friend nerds anymore.
Kyla was correct that 1 year is too quick to propose. I did the same thing and am still married, but that was a mistake in retrospect. All the other crap was the problem, not the thinking that proposing that quickly was a problem.
I suspect that kyla was projecting when she kept saying that op was a golddigger and saying lies about op in her efforts to break the relationship. She definitely hates op and that her friend won't choose her.
I understand that he's afraid of the dynamics changing but he needs to realize that kyla actually hates op and does mean every nasty thing she said. Kyla is also putting on a mask or he just doesn't want to see that kyla is hateful.
Update, kyla was only trying to get into op's head and play nice. She was still trying to break the relationship. More than likely she teamed up with the ex to try to break the relationship. Then panicked that she was confronted and realized that she may not win. Op does need to be careful because kyla is only going to try something else as she's proven that she can't stand their relationship.
Story 1: Kyla played an ugly but stupid game. She accused both her long-time college friend (her unrequited crush, or just a friend who rejected her) and Joanna, a friend, both of being unfaithful to OP's marriage. How did Kyla think she personally would benefit? If she broke up OP's marriage with lies, she also would have alienated OP's husband, Joanna and probably their whole friend group when it inevitably came out. Duh, she just got herself rejected by all of her own old friends.
Divorce is never the way out, My wife and I have been having issues before I sort out help from a spiritual adviser,i wasn't going to let my marriage of 18years crash
amazing,i am kinda in a similar situation,how did you handle it?
well not the orthodox way but i was referred by a friend to a spiritual adviser and healer
Please how can i get in touch with the spiritual adviser?
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You can look her name up online and you will find all you need.
One year isn't that quick.
It's pretty quick. Feels like she's reacting over very little.
It really is
"you can check my phone to check i didnt do anything"
"oh, i do not need to do that" without mentioning that she already broke his privacy so it seems like she trusts him, not that she already did terrible things
I bet OP's husband was Kayla's back up plan. Kayla would have fun in college and then marry OP's rich husband. I guess Kayla never thought that he would date someone seriously after his break up.
It makes me wonder if OP's husband was just a friend to Kayla but friendzoned and giving Kayla "boyfriend privileges" without the relationship/intimacy? I bet that OP's husband paid for things for Kayla (dinners, vacations, etc) all under the guise of "friendship".🤔
If OP's husband doesn't put a stop to Kayla's behavior he'll never be in another relationship, unless it's with her.
Hi lost genre I think you messed up the time stamps 😆
Trying to touch his hair and hugging him? In which world is this not flirting?
She wants OP’s husband.
The fact that Kyla's name sounds exactly like my real name but spelled differently made this whole story so awkward for me to listen to 😂
I wish that I could have a dollar for every time someone said "you're over reacting" in the world, and it eventually (nearly always) turns out that it wasn't over reacting 😉
If this is something she said more than two years ago and has not acted on anything or acted out in that timeframe it is time to be like Elsa and just let it go
It's all in the past forget about it. Do not let the past ruin the present and future. Just learn to put up with this Kyla, we have to learn how to deal with crazy people all the time. This Kyla sounds kind of crazy anyway. Do not let her get to you.
Oh, well of course Op is not the "right women" for him, because they're not Kayla 😅
You know what every time there’s a story about a wife/girlfriend who has a male friend who is attracted to her you always are very adamant in that she needs to stop seeing that friend. But now here you are advocating for the husband not cutting out a female friend who is attracted to him and tried to get with him. Double standards ?? A bit. I’ve notice you are a bit sexist in your comments sometimes.
It seems to be other people in the comments as well, I guess it's just more acceptable for men to keep women who like them in their friend groups but not for women 😕
I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only one railing against that double standard. When the flirted with person is a guy, suddenly men don't know what flirting looks like, they're so dopey and clueless, isn't it cute? The female partner needs to chill out and be less insecure. When a woman has a friend flirting and crossing boundaries, guys immediately know what flirting looks like regardless of the gender doing it, the woman is called disrespectful of the partner and relationship, he's told to send her back to the streets, the term orbiter gets tossed about along with backup plan and male OP will be warned to get a paternity test, even if kids aren't even on the horizon.
Story 1: Once a snake, always a snake
15:13 - 15:15 you ‘do not know what her intentions are…’
Really?
This is a husband problem. Always, always disclose past relationships and flirtatious behaviors! When you hide things like this, it’s a red flag.
Still in the first part, when someone is blunt and that person is a guy, you can easily take it as a mistake, many guys are like that, saying things without realising the 'implications' of how what they said may be interpreted.
Women on the other hand, with some exceptions, are more deliberate with remarks like this..
I'm at the end of the explanation of the OP.
From my perspective, she is not the asshole, she is not overreacting, but it is not a real problem.
I know for sure that there are friends from my wife that don't like me. I know that there are friends of mine who don't like my wife. I know for sure that there are friends from my wife that I hate, that I think are bad people. And in some cases, it has been proven.
I know that most of you will be in the same situation. Life causes it.
I will never force my wife to cut contact with people I don't like, or that talk badly about me, and she doesn't do it, either. We will speak about these things, and we will share our thoughts about our mutual friends and each of us will make his/her own choice. At the same time, if someone badmouths my wife, or me, we stop them. Whatever the case we cut with them or prove them they were wrong.
Life is complex, and people are not "friend or foe". In this case, after 2 years she has proven his friend was wrong. No harm done.
If things go to worse it is him that needs to do his moves. It is his friends. He had to stop them. From what I read of the story, he already did. He got married and she was active in the wedding preparations.
Not the A hole but also edging toward it
people know 40% of marriages fail. Some people have dark humour thing like deathpools in offices and such like that, so this woman having a bet with OP's husband that the marriage would not last bad, but a bet (and i think this is a verbal bet not a money bet) with friends and not involved in the other person's relationship is things that happens, and it does not appear that K has done anything to make her bet come true... also if this was an actual money bet then anyone participating with it is a danger, however from the tone from a group it sounds like a verbal bet, which is very very different.
After the update it seems different but also I think OP might have taken some of the stuff into the "friendship" from the get go, she said it was an issue from the beginning, nothing wrong with being two introverts, but OP says in round about words she is bad at reading the room.
Kyla does seem a bit toxic, in the update... but i do not know how much would have been defused from the get go... but also there are a range of different things here ...
Blocking Kyla from the friends group forces the friends group to choose sides and this ends horrible, but have Kyla when the friends were around.
Be aware of Kyla, and not do anything with her alone, and can not block her from group things without strong evidence.
Paused @12:53...OP is very immature. Playing games with her husband by holding back information is absolutely absurd.
Dont play coy OP. You all know exactly what your husband's friend's intentions are. You need to expose her to everyone before she starts sowing more seeds of discord. When someone throws hands at you, peace is no longer an option.
The peace in the group is now broken. The others just dont know it. And thats not cool. For you or them.
Story 1 I would tell my husband 'I told you so '
40 minutes in
Sea of thieves? Well that’s better than fortnight at least lol. Glad they are such a happy and strong couple.
Thy for the stories from Happy Cat🐱