You guys are a shining example of what a fan community should be. This is a film that you both admit to having many problems with but you (and the others that you collaborate with) always come at everything with a mature and measured attitude, whether you're talking about things you loved or things you hated. The comparison to the kinds of toxic discourse that certain _other_ franchises seem to get whenever a new movie is released is night and day.
@@shelbyvillerules9962 They are shills. They won’t say anything that might offend Producers. To kill off Bond was a huge mistake. That’s why director Danny Boyle walked away from the project. He didn’t agree with Craig and Broccoli on killing Bond. That’s integrity. He wanted no part in this foolishness. Like Danny Boyle, no true Bond fan wanted the character killed off. It ruined Craig’s previous films because you now can’t watch them in the same way as before because you now know what eventually happens to his Bond. Then there is the general public. It’s easy to see why people thought this was the end of the franchise. They had just killed off Bond and they hadn’t seen the long final credits with the stupid line at the end, James Bond will Return. This might damage the Box Office for the next Bond film because people won’t want to turn up to see a character that they think will just get killed off when the next Bond actor decides to leave the role. This was stupidity on a Grand scale. All to appease Daniel Craig’s ego.
@@RaymondWilliams-uu1ns Do you know who else said they didn’t agree with Craig and Broccoli on killing Bond? The guys in this video. That’s not something shills would do 😂
@@shelbyvillerules9962 Gentle criticism. These guys go out of their way not to offend. No Time To Die is a travesty of a film. All because of Daniel Craig’s ego. He hated the character, he hated filming Bond. He wanted his Bond dead. No actor should have this much power again. As of yet, we don’t know the damage this has done. I certainly won’t be taking my son to watch the next Bond in Cinema. How many others feel the same way? Better keep the budget low because it’s always the next film that suffers after a dud.
Love the content on this channel, and love Calvin Dyson, but, we rarely talk about one particular type of Bond fan.....the folks who STILL don't care for the Craig films. Too dark, too brooding and they don't even feel like they are a part of the same franchise as the pre-Craig films. Here's hoping they return to the formula!!
Listening to you guys talk about this is so cathartic. I bought the movie on 4K but I find myself switching it off when they’re planning the assault on the island because I still just hate the ending so much. But I also find myself getting really upset when they kill Felix off too.
Yea when I first rewatched it I felt exactly the same way. Very angry at how they ended it and how they very clearly were following the Hollywood trend of killing off iconic heroes in movies. However I’ve since softened on it a bit and accepted that - as much as I hate it - it really was probably the easiest way for the filmmakers to clear the slate of everything in Craig’s run and start fresh. Still hate it though lol!
NTTD is like the film where everyone dies. Madeleine’s mum, Felix Leiter, Blofeld, Bond. The ending really feels like you’ve lost someone you love and care for deeply, because Bond is such a fantastic character and he’s been around for so long
The “Comfort” Bond film is an absolute perfect description. Personally I can’t stand No Time To Die, the fact they killed Bond for me is like killing a super hero. The older bonds are pure comfort viewing for me.
Had they pulled a Dark Knight Rises it would have been worse. Ian Fleming killed off Bond in From Russia With Love then brought him back. This was so Ian Fleming more faithful to YOLT than the movie. I loved it!!!!
The BIGGEST PLOT hole for this movie is the fact, after Safin's men have broken into the laboratory, no response by any kind of security forces is seen. Given the fact that the laboratory is operated by or is working for MI6 and the kind of viruses it holds, that seems extremely unlikely!
This is the one Bond film that should've never been made. It's main problem is that it doesn't have any story left to tell. The Craig era truly ended with Spectre whether you like that movie or not. Bond deciding not to kill Blofeld and riding off with Madeline into the sunset was the perfect way to end Craig's arc (even if it was rushed) because it feels like Bond finally understood what it takes to be happy: being with the woman he loves and not being an assassin. NTTD exists to bring back Craig's Bond just to kill him off and much of the story feels like "leftovers" rather than the main course of a meal. Spectre and Blofeld are killed long before the film's climax thus leaving the underdeveloped Safin to be the main villain. A much better story would've involved Bond fighting the remaining Spectre members with maybe Largo being the main villain. I'm sorry to say that this is the Bond film that makes me not want to be a James Bond fan anymore b/c now I feel like the franchise has outgrown me. It's the textbook example of how to make a commercial film that disappoints the fans of it's own franchise. When Craig said he didn't want to come back for Bond 25 after finishing Spectre, Broccoli and Wilson should've just left him alone and rebooted the series with a new actor.
I watched it four times at the theater, not because it was really good, but because it was the end of Daniel’s era as Bond. The beginning was incredible, the ending made me weep the first time watching it.. I had just broken up with my fiancé at the time, and I had wanted her to watch it with me, but went alone.. I can’t complain about the ending, I loved it actually. He went out with a bang, and it’s time for a reset..
I watched it 3 times in cinema but I genuinely loved the film. These days looking back? I still love it, but the ending doesn't sit quite as well with me. The rest of the film is absolutely amazing though. And although I know it's not a classic Bond thing to do, I love that he became a father. It's fitting for this incarnation of Bond.
I hated the film, honestly, and it started at the beginning. Given how Spectre ends, the opening sequence and his distrust of Madeline makes absolutely no sense, and I'm sick of things being tied into Vesper 15 years of films later. The ending is awful and the antithesis of James Bond (a hero who always pulls ahead at the last second to survive), but I suspect that Craig required this ending as he has previously stated he would NEVER do Bond again, and this was a way to ensure he really wouldn't. Saffen's dastardly plot makes no sense (is he trying to kill large portions of the world, selling the nanotech to the highest bidder, something else?), and is never explained with numerous items just left hanging (such as the speed boats that were rapidly approaching his base... what happend to them, and why was Saffen, who was walking towards those boats, suddenly back fighting Bond?!). I can name so much more. Since I'm writing this as I listen (and adding to it): As to Primo, I'm surprised you two like him so much. He was so unnoticable and forgettable to me that in the final fight with him I had no idea Bond was fighting him and not generic henchman #3 until his eye shorted out and he died, surprising me as I realized it was him. The CIA traitor was meaningless because he was never given a reason for why he betrayed the CIA. They made him seem important, only to have him do nothing (but kill Felix) and die with no character motivation. The scene with Blofeld makes little sense in that, apparently, he had a robotic eye until shortly before it, but no one in prison security ever noticed? The final sequence, the Russians and Japanese are concerned with a British presence at this island in disputed territory, but they don't do anything when the British ship launches missiles at that island? Why did Saffen just let go of the girl when he'd been so intent to keep her before that? It's just... bad. The only thing I really liked was the part in Cuba with De Armas (and I wish she was the Bond girl, not Madeline again). I will admit though, I've never liked Craig as Bond. He's just never had the charisma I associate with every other James Bond. In truth, the only Craig film I'd ever re-watch again is Skyfall. I'd much rather watch any other Bond film (but Die Another Day) than anything with Craig. As a last note, killing Bond has one major problem: are they now going to kill Bond whenever an actor is done with the series and it's time to bring in a new actor? Is this going to become the norm where they kill Bond willy-nilly whenever they feel like it? There was always a sense previously that all the different Bond actors were still acting as the individual person James Bond (ear and actor notwithstanding, they were all James Bond). Now what? Are they rebooting it? What prevents them from doing it again? Just... it was just an awful decision.
Ugh, yes this movie was horrible and I'm a huge Craig fan unlike you. All the performances in NTTD felt phoned in, other than Malek. The score was by far the worst of the Craig tenure, the technology took a step backwards towards the days of Brosnan which made the whole movie corny. This actually made Spectre seem like an amazing movie in comparison and I was never even much of a fan of that one. There's so much wrong with this movie, it never felt right the whole time I was watching.
Yeah, my only real complaint about the Matera sequences is that they weren’t longer. I wanted more foot chase, more motorcycle action, and more with the DB5. I loved it all, it was just too short.
Multiple Spectre motorbikes were shown, it seemed set up for bike chase combat on the way back to hotel. That probably would have done it for me, though as cool as the Primo "clotheslining" fight was, couple more moments of hand to hand there would have been nice.
There were some bizarre shot selections in the matera sequence that obscured some nice moments as well. In videos recorded during filming you could see they choreographed the db5 drifting around the roundabout with the pursuing cars and bike going the other way around, but in the film they went with a quick interior shot and the whole part was over. It did help with the flow of the action but moments like that could use some more focus. The same goes with the fight with Primo, the trailer showed another take where bond rips his tie and punches Primo but in the film it was a one take with the ripping and punching off camera, which always felt bizarre to me
Great video. One question I had about the Bond/Blofeld interrogation (Also - going back to Spectre). In this Bond universe, Bond and Blofeld grew up together for a number of years. Don't you think there would have been some dialogue or acknowledgement of their history? Not, "how is aunt ginny doing", but something? They grew up together but that history was totally ignored. Idk, that could have been fun to hear. At least a few minutes of dialogue about unfinished childhood business.
I actually was somebody who liked it a lot, but I totally understand where people’s reservations come from. BUT, I do fully believe the opening action sequence with the DB5 is one of the absolute best openers from any Bond film.
Just watched Calvin's 'Craig era trailers' video. The NTTD trailers would appear to indicate that Safin was more fleshed out than in reality and that Bond would have to become uneasy allies with Blofeld to take down a mutual enemy. You have to wonder about hasty rewrites and what got cut?
True! Honestly I think both Spectre and Quantum are still enjoyable and get a little too much hate in my view. Similar to what you said, I totally get the reasons why people knock them but at the same time they did a lot of things right in those films as well. I think The brilliance of Casino Royale (perfect storytelling, dialog, character development etc.) set the expectations/quality standards for bond films to a new high, so any movie that came after that has been judged a lot more harshly.
Never let a woman write for Bond again. This wasn’t the Taken franchise but Phoebe had to write in, Mother and Child. Bond is a cold assassin. Aloof, he beds women for information and fun and moves on. His life is the mission he’s on. Here, he’s just another protective Dad with man issues 😢
1:32:04 that ending spoiled it for me. I saw it on (Australian) opening day. I went in at the end of the previous showing and could hear We Have All The Time In The World and saw "James Bond will return" on the screen - I was confused.
I'm not surprised David's son didn't like it. From the videos they've done together it seems he prefers the fun/light-hearted Bond. Nttd isn't a particularly fun film. The problem with nttd is that people aren't going to revisit it for a good time. The opening action scene (db5 etc) was great. But most of the film is quite heavy going.
I will always hate the ending of this film because of what happens to my hero. But the more I watch it, the more I enjoy it overall. It shows sides to Bond that have never been shown before and it's wonderfully shot. There are low points but also highs. Ultimately, I feel that viewing Daniel Craig's 5 films in its own story arc helps to detach it from the other films and softens the film's ending. The film is right up there for me but still doesn't touch Casino Royale which was revolutionary.
I like to think that Bond's death is a reference to Roger Moore and Sean Connery passing away after 2015s Spectre. I'm sure, that the producers probably hadn't even thought about this. But this is the only excuse i can think of to kill Bond off.
The more I think about the ending the more I realise that Craig had clearly seen Logan in 2017 and wanted a dramatic death scene for his last outing, similar to Jackman's (with a daughter subplot too no less). The issue is Logan is about how superheroes such as the X-Men have long died or are dying, mythologised through comic books. In real life Logan cannot possibly live up to this image, and him and Xaviar have done some terrible things. Despite this, Wolverine does the right thing, protects Laura and dies trying to get the remaining mutants out of the country (not overly heroically I might add - he doesn't even kill the villain, Laura does). He was redeemed and his death felt right as a result. No Time To Die just about Bond redeeming himself, nor about the nature of Bond's flaws vs his virtues. There's an element of tragedy that Bond will never be able to have a happy family, but I'm not sure if it's enough thematically to justify it.
I've come to terms with the ending of the film now, I'm not 100% happy and I'm still not sure if it was the right choice, but is interesting that we have a complete story of Bond from the beginning to the end of his career.
I have gotten to the point where I am absolutely perfectly happy not only with no time to die but with every single movie that Daniel Craig made his bond and to be absolutely clear I love casino Royale and I love quantum of solace and I love Skyfall and I love specter and I love no time to die!!
Quantum of Solace completes the series. Provided closure to Vesper, Closure to help handler, closure on the villain who posed a world threat from a secret society type and who killed the Bond girl.
I cant bear to watch this video, they're not moaning about him making breakfast yet again are they? He's a human being, what do they think he was doing for food all that time he spent in Jamaica on his own? And yes the recipe is in 007 in New York. Edit I watched the whole video and enjoyed it!
Has noone picked up on the fact that M was disbelieving on how Blofeld managed to run a Spectre meeting from Belmarsh but nobody focussed on the fact that 5 years earlier, Blofeld organised everything that happened to Bond at Vesper’s grave and also managed to call Madeleine’s phone and chat to her from Belmarsh. No scanning the whole damn man at that time!
Every aspect of Blofeld was mishandled in both Spectre and NTTD…it took so many years to bring back this character yet he was used in such a muddled an haphazard manner in both films (like he was an afterthought on a 2nd or 3rd script revision).
I'm quite fond of the movie until the ending. And then it drops farther than any other Bond film did as a result of its ending, even managing to beat out Spectre on that front. I don't have a problem with Bond dying. (In fact, I wouldn't have a problem with giving the series a rest at this point, since we're well-past adapting all of Fleming's novels.) But the circumstances of his death are so silly that it essentially ruins the entire Craig era for me. The magical incurable nanobots are about the most ridiculous thing in this entire franchise, and to have that be the reason that Bond gives up is barely a step above ending the movie with the Monty Python foot coming down and squishing 007.
I'm so sick of 'nanotech'. That crap got boring many years ago. It's been used as a convenient way to explain things away in too many action/sci-fi movies for too long.
I like that Bond is apologizing to Madeleine without actually saying "sorry". To me that seems very in character. "She's not yours" line: I think Madeleine did not want him to feel obligated. Also I think she did not want to emotionally distract him. As for Bond, he knew that was his child, he just was not going to press the issue. He knew he needed Madeleine to trust him first. Yeah, I've never thought about a Bond film this much. Heck, I can't even remember the last time I thought about a film this much.
I absolutely love these "debates" and the free form style to the discussions! I honestly love NTTD but I can't deny that Safin is such a big anchor and that he weighs down a lot. There was a video I watched recently where they compared him to Zemo from Civil War and Thanos from Infinity War/Endgame and for me, that's really the closest I can muster up what he is trying to do...?? Its really bungled in the worst way honestly and I agree that there should've been people or groups or something shown to get a more tangible sense of the stakes at hand rather than being told what could happen. I think Calvin has said it best with like Goldfinger... He likes gold and wants only his gold to prosper. Easy enough to understand but I love this so much!
Wonderful and insightful in-depth deep dive into what was - for better or worse- one of the most important Bond films ever made. Filled with brand new ways to look at the film. After every one of these discussions between the two of you I always look at the film you cover with fresh eyes and new perceptions! Great question at the end! When do you watch this film in the future??? Like Calvin, on a relaxing day I’ll often throw on The Spy Who Loved Me or Tomorrow Never Dies or perhaps Goldfinger as my comfort food. In the Summertime I’ll always watch Thunderball of course… Winter is time for OHMSS or The World is not enough…. Etc etc Just about every film in the series can be thrown on just for fun and relaxation. But this one - and perhaps the Craig films in general - somehow seem like real big substantial pieces of entertainment that you sort of have to sit there and pay close attention to! Especially this one - where our all time favorite hero gets blown to smithereens at the end! We’re definitely not putting it on for the young kids in our families that’s for sure! I think we’ll put this on when we are ready for big prime time entertainment that we could sink our teeth into. Probably not just for light fun. Perhaps after one or two new films that are fluffy and fun with a new 007 we’ll pull this one out casually again … but still always with great respect!
I'm really glad to hear acknowledgement of some of the issues I had with the film - especially Bond not feeling like Bond, how tonally jarring it sometimes is, overuse of gunplay and the lack of action spectacle and set pieces. In previous videos I was really surprised that nobody was talking about these things, and I sometimes felt like you guys had seen a different film to me! Overall I think I more or less agree with you at this point, though I'd probably still rate it as one of the worst Bond films. It's a beautifully shot film with some great acting and action, hampered by some really shoddy writing and decisions, and a gimmicky ending.
For me, the pre-title sequence is way too long. I like them short and concise within 5-12 minutes. But this one goes on and on for 20+minutes, at which point the title sequence feels really out of place. The film has already started and now you grind it to a halt. The problem I see is that it comprises three different sequences instead of focusing on one and leaving the others for later in the film or just cutting them out entirely.
HOWARD W. > As a Bond fan for over 55 years, ( I was14 when I saw Thunderball in 1965 ), I have to say NTTD is one of the LEAST memorable Bond films I`ve seen. For the next Bond film, I hope they bring back director Martin Campbell.
I'd like it if they could recapture the tone and style of the 60s Bonds for the next movie. We've had so much of the emotional/vulnerable thing (and I absolutely loved Casino Royale btw) that it's become exhausting. Let's get back to making films that are compelling but also fun escapism. (I'm not holding my breath though, I expect the next one will take itself seriously again.)
That’s because you’re absolutely correct. That’s exactly why Bond decided to do the mission. I’m so confused as to how they can sit there and say they watched the movie so many times and yet they still failed to follow along with the story. They’re literally reading into things that are not there. Saying he accepted the mission because he had something to prove OR because of “the 007 thing” and to stay relevant is ridiculous. And that’s where I stop watching this video.
I'm over Daniel Craig's era completely. I'm 100% ready for a complete reboot 007 era with a new actor playing Bond at this point. I would LOVE to see Bond movies return to their roots: make Bond a spy again, bring back the sex, bring back the style, bring back the travelogue, bring back the great villains and henchmen, and yes, bring back the humor as well. I remember when Bond movies were FUN, and when the latest Bond movie theme song was a current hit single on the top-40 chart. STOP with Bond going rogue in every movie! STOP making every Bond movie a personal vendetta! STOP making Bond a drama queen! Stop exploring Bond's past and his psychology! STOP with the story arcs spanning several movies! STOP making Bond be monogamous! STOP making Bond fall in love!
Great discussion. You both are very good at verbalizing different feelings you have for parts of No Time To Die. I wish I could feel anything but a sense of missed opportunity with this movie. Why couldn't Bond just have a mission like the good old days. Why did the movie have to try to be so complex that it "stubbed it's own toe" in trying too hard.
For me the Craig run was an opportunity missed where they could have planned and made a clean series, but it’s cobbled with a depressing ending and ultimately not as solid as it could have been esp since we saw Casino and Skyfall being so good. But for me Bond is done and I just don’t care if they ever make more.
But being a fan and loving Daniel Craig is an actor who gave us the last entire 15-year run it makes me happy that the final film makes Daniel Craig the actor happy in a way that allows him to leave the role and not be haunted by it afterwards.
@@randallrutherford1384 yes, nothing. Zilch,. Nada. Saw every Bond movie except No Time To Die. Have no interest and do not feel the urge to see it, I do not feel like I missed anything at all. The Bond series has been going down the drain for years...first the music went down the crapper with David Arnold and his noise, and now the films themselves with the current regime and Daniel Craig.
They are going to have to cast the right actor and get a decent writer for it to succeed in the future. Barbara Broccoli has made many good decisions in the last few years.
I love these 'The No Time To Debate' Dies. Although it does slightly worry me that they killed off the main character, as if it's anything like Star Wars, the next movies will all be spinoffs and luke-warm reboots. For my money you cant beat a Crocodile Submarine Suit, for the most fun at parties.
I'll be interested to see what the perception of this film is in a decades time when the next Bond has a couple of films [hopefully!] under there belt [especially if those films take a more lighter direction] and viewers have watched the Craig films as a 5 part saga [given it's interesting how Dalton's films seem to be more popular now than in the 90's for example].
I imagine No Time to Die will do what OHMSS has done over the decades and greatly improve with age. Audiences will eventually appreciate what a great movie it actually is. It's only the shock of having James Bond die at the end which is proving polarising with some as it's never bee been done before. Yet it was brave and bold by attempting it.
I still think Nomi, although not a bad character by any means, wasn't a necessary character to feature in this film. Instead, I think Paloma should have been given a larger role in the story, serving as the agent accompanying Bond in this mission. Also, Bond's retirement should have been given more screen time, maybe including a reference to him remaining friends with Felix even in retirement to make Felix's death that bit more emotional.
I'm conflicted on the boat scene, because I love the Cuba scene and Paloma as is, but Felix's death would've packed more punch if he was the one on that mission with Bond
Rewatched this weekend with my wife and had to come back and listen to this debate again. Some great points and completely agree the ending section falls flat. My wife didn’t really enjoy it and as much as I tried, I also struggled. The Cuba section I was a little bit on the fence with before but agree it’s excellent! Big QOS (some of my favourite chase scenes in the series, especially the boat one) and moonraker fan here. Love the debates! Thanks for all the content!
Other than the opening sequence. The movie was like a two hour parody with the jokes taken out. I'm a major OHMSS fanatic so that was there; but the homage was over done to the point it was like it was done to appease Bond aficionados but not done with an understanding of why we like OHMSS.
What is 'parody' about it? I really don't get that at all. You could argue it's 'Not Bond' [which some have] but parody is not the right word [you could say Die Another Day feels like an OTT parody of early Bonds but as a actual Bond film but that's a bit harsh].
A parody is an imitation that attempts to mock or trivialise another work. Overall, NTTD was epic in all senses and did not undermine or trivialise Bond. You have half a point with the Cuba fight scene, but that wasn’t parody: it was a respectful wry nod and a wink to the tired formula of past Bonds. Fan-service, perhaps.
@@bjma654651651 I was being facetious. Clearly it was not meant to intentionally play as a parody. But the result played like that for me in its overuse of the OHMSS themes, tropes, and really dull uninteresting excuse for a villain. And while I alluded to it looking like a parody, the humor element that makes a parody funny was non existent. In fact I'd go so far as to say the film seemed like it was written and directed by inept non bond fan feminists that wanted to literally kill off any vestige of maleness left in the francise. Oddly, I loved the opening pre-credit sequence and the title design, and I thought I'd be watching a great film.....But.....then it just got worse by the minute until I literally laughed out loud at the ending....not with it. I understand there's a new generation of Bond fans that grew up with the Craig series but I didn't, and so I've never understood why they cast Craig other than that they wanted an actor devoid of witticism and panache; And were looking to mimic the Bourne franchise with a Matt Damon type. Coincidence? And the other thing I thought about after watching NTTD was how it was basically a weak remake of MI-2. Except John Woo made a far superior spy film.
@@dahan419 Overuse of tropes? Are you familiar with the James Bond franchise?! This film quite literally shifted a few inches away from the tired cliches of the series and that's what you hate about it . Not overuse of tropes, but quite the opposite. Craig is not Connery or Moore. Wah! Wah! Wah! Get a grip: the last Moore movie was decades ago. In terms of "maleness" (I think you mean masculinity): is sacrificing yourself for your family (as Bond does in the third act of NTTD) a female trait? You hate the film and that's OK, but your arguments are incoherent and inconsistent. I think you heard UA-camrs brand this movie as woke and, being unable to form your own coherent arguments, you quite literally just wrote-off a movie on the basis of other people's opinions. Sad.
@@bjma654651651 Haha relying on the DB5....that's a new one. And yes...it is overly woke. But then thankfully they now have no choice but to recast and reboot. Hopefully the next one is actually a James Bond film. Not Jane Bond.
If you're going to invoke On Her Majesty's Secret Service, you better have a female lead that's in the class of Diana Rigg. For example, Megan Boone from The Blacklist would've brought the kind of compelling charisma and gravitas that would have elevated the film in so many ways and been the proper romantic foil for Bond. Using Armstrong's rendition of "We Have All The Time In The World" only reemphasizes very painfully how far the producers and director missed the mark here. You guys just need to admit that this film is a major dissapointment. A word of advice to the Broccolis- Next time open up your wallet for casting and use some of that cash to hire an A list actress to play the Bond girl instead of going so overboard with special effects.
"You guys need to admit that this film is a major disappointment" ...a major disappointment to you, who is not them, and therefore for them to admit that would be weird? Art ain't objective, you're allowed to dislike it but don't go off telling them they're wrong for not sharing your conclusion.
@@LoveMakeShareTV Listen to the "debate" again. They make so many statements about their problems with their film, it's evident that they are trying to be diplomatic and not admit how disappointed they really are. If they actually told the truth, it could set them, future Bond film audiences and the producers free.
The problem wasn't the casting imo, the problem was the script. Terrible dialogue, plot holes all over the place, way too many characters. People complain about QoS, but for all it's flaws it's far superior to this mess. NTTD felt like some crypto bro decided to blow all his money on his personal James Bond fanfiction (and managed to somehow hire a very talented cinematographer).
My main problem with the Daniel Craig Bond films is not Craig . He’s excellent in all 5. I also love all the action set pieces. Where it falls down for me is story. A story that ran from 2006 that I had no connection with it at all. I wish now that Craig had had 5 standalone films as per tradition. If I want a long story arc I’ll watch a tv series . Not Bond. And for goodness sake bring back the fun . Moore still number one with me followed by Brosnan. Love both your channels guys . But damn you take up a lot of my time haha :) in a good way of course ;)
It was completely joyless. A bit like the world today. Theres no fun anymore, nothing to get excited about. just people destroying things and hating on each other, day in and day out.
Excellent job as always. I really want to like this movie, but the main problem for me is by making it an emotional Bond film comes at the expense that it's not as entertaining a Bond film. Craig feels neutered and overly dour with none of the excitement of his previous portrayals. The film is very baggy and overlong. Rami Malek is surprisingly an ineffective villain who does next to nothing. The film plays in fits and starts and feels as if made by committee checking off boxes and is not seamless. Lastly, killing characters doesn't define or guarantee emotion. Ian Fleming, in 14 novels, never killed off Felix Leiter or James Bond. It didn't have to happen here. It felt like this was done to placate Daniel Craig who may have had too much input. Watch his first three films to enjoy the Craig tenure. His last two, with spotty writing and bad performances have already managed to kill James Bond.
The problem with Cuba is that it was shot on a sound stage and it feels like it was too. On Nomi: it wasn’t the media’s fault; it was the fault of the team marketing the movie (including central casting). They repeatedly made deliberate and pointed comments about feminism etc. The boat scene is technically excellent and necessary to tell the audience that the stakes are high: no outcome is off the table.
@@terrancehall9762 By far the worst character in the movie. The 2-dimensional, sassy, overconfident black female trope? That’s Coastal Elite writing. You can feel two writing teams arguing as you watch the film. Thankfully the correct team “won” and the film is mostly excellent.
What the hell were they thinking with Blofeld - very cool concept with the eye thing, but no pay off, they just kill him before he literally does anything - yeah yeah they were reflecting how bond strangled him in the book of You Only Live Twice, but it's without any real backbone - Blofeld doesn't even do that much in Spectre, you wait for him to do something cool in this film, and he does NOTHING. It's the opposite of a satisfying death. It's just there to act as a minor twist. That choice was a total deflation. At least Blofeld's death in For Your Eyes Only was funny lol
It's defender/attacker if one of them likes it but the other doesn't so much, and is Pros and Cons of they both have a similar opinion on the movie. So, it'll depend on how similar their opinions are.
I feel like, now that there's been some time for the movie to settle in everyone's minds, this will be a more solid, clear discussion. I'm looking forward to it.
@@vincehenriquez680 I liked it, it did different things in a franchise that's been going for nearly 60 years. Not all of it I liked but I can respect it for doing new things.
As for the end? I mean, not being able to go forward with a family felt like a fate worse than death so the missile finishing him off seemed secondary.
There is a definite divide In my friends and family as Calvin mentions that non-Bond fanatics really enjoyed it and majority of those who are hated the last 20 mins. I went and watched it twice, thought it was brilliant. You can only go to that well once with the ending.
Why the f*** did the producers started with the idea of bond getting killed??? What are they doing?? Stop getting bond wrong! Can we please have Cubby back. And I just hate Craig now for wanting this ending. What an idiot. He doesn't get bond at all.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Cubby is dead. He’s been since June 27, 1996: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_R._Broccoli?wprov=sfti1. So unless God Almighty decides to put a definitive end to his Adam/Eve experiment right now and Angel Cubby is sitting right beside him, I suggest you to snap out of it. His daughter has been co-producing Bond movies ever since, along with her stepbrother Michael G. Wilson. Her name is Broccoli, Barbara Broccoli.
David you are right it’s definitely the music I just can’t help but well up when I hear it. Held it together in the cinema just about but was crying watching it at home.
Great debate as always - I feel very similarly about this film. Great start but goes downhill after Cuba. Excellent action throughout. One of my main issues with the reuse of musical cues from OHMSS is that it is used as a shortcut to getting an emotional reaction from the audience. I feel it shows a lack of faith in the writing and performances - “just in case the sadness of this scene isn’t coming across, here’s some music from one of the saddest Bond films!”
Howard Weber says > I thought Bond yelling like Tarzan in Octopussy and the sound effect when the car jumped the bridge in TMWTGG were the worst things I`d seen in a Bond film but when I heard the music from OHMSS ( my favorite Bond film) being played in NTTD , that did it. Are you kidding me ! What an insult to George Lazenby. The song WE HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD belongs to George and no one else. Just like NOBODY DOES IT BETTER belongs to Roger. What the hell were the producers thinking.
I was devastated. This movie strayed so far from the Bond formula I grew up with. It was like they stole a piece of my childhood and then sent me a video of it dying slowly for two hours. I’m still processing
Long time Bond fan, read every Fleming novel and saw every Bond movie in the theatre since Thunderball. I enjoyed No Time to Die, loved the Cuba scene, but hated, I mean hated the ending. Bond is dead, doesn't even really try to save himself. When did Bond ever give up when things looks hopeless? Did not like Malik as the villain, not menacing, not enough interaction with Bond. Who knows if a cure/resolution to his issue is found in the future? So Bond is dead, where do we go from here. Glad to see Craig go. Hoping the next movie is simpler, Bond gets a mission and goes off to save the world. Your analysis at about the 1:20:00 is spot on, the final act was terrible.
No Time to Die isn’t too fantastical to be a Bond movie, but it is way too fantastical to be a Craig Bond movie. In Casino Royale, they decided to go for a more realistic tone. Can you imagine a bionic eye participating in the poker game in that movie with the help of some bald goon holding up their cards for them? Can you imagine seeing that at a real-life poker game in 2022? No, I didn’t think so. Stick with the tone you’ve chosen until the story is over. If they wanted Craig’s Bond-verse to be more fantastical, they should have introduced those elements in Casino Royale.
@@grantmalone Le Chiffre’s condition exists in real-life, and people do chase each other on construction sites. Yes, Bond’s abilities are extreme in that chase, but I never claimed Casino Royale is ”100% realistic” in terms of execution, just much more realistic in tone, and less fantastical - none of your examples feel as goofy and out there as the bionic eye poker scene I proposed.
@@grantmaloneYou are missing my point a bit. Would you feel that a bionic eye (assisted by three bald goons) would look out of place playing poker in Casino Royale (taking into consideration the tone and style of the film, not the level of realism)? If no, then we simply have different opinions and I can't argue with that. If yes, then you are to an extent agreeing with my initial post, although I perhaps made myself unclear. I would be curious to know your answer.
@@grantmalone Fair enough, it's all subjective, and I might very well be in the minority here, since I haven't seen anyone else express the same criticism - but I'm gonna stick to it.
Totally agree. If Craig's films were meant to be a continuous arc, all happening in the same universe, they needed to stick with the same tone. One of the things I loved about Casino Royale is how grounded it felt compared to earlier Bond films. It made Bond feel like a real human being rather than a comic book hero. Throwing in the increasingly fantastical elements and plots ruined that for me.
You know the expression "A good idea, badly executed"?. For me NTTD is the opposite. It was two (at least) terrible ideas, but it was put together so well that it almost got away with it. I stress almost!
Finally saw it, you guys inspired me to. Agree with much of what you say. My critiques (I'd love to hear your guys on are) 1- Why after Blofeld screwed Madeline would she go see his therapist? 2- If M build Heracles, why didn't he ever consider s virus or be able to fix it? 3- Nano machines so what? How many times does q inject nano bots into bond during Craig's tenure. (Ps I don't like this Q 4- It felt like teenagers fighting.... Everyone hates everyone at mi-6, and than they're just ok with each other. (It seemed rushed). 5- As far as Rami goes I was turned off immediately. A 6 year old shoots him I'm the PTS, and I'm supposed to think this is worst bond villain of them all. 6- The throwbacks to Vesper, and M sitting in front of Judi Denches picture makes Bonds sacrifice seem unworthy. (IE- If h sacrifices himself in Skyfall for M; I thought he was gonna die I'm that, I could got behind it). 7- Where the hell are the other 00's? It would have been more convincing this is urgent, if there are other 00's. (Or even instead of the virus being stolen, a team of 00s bring wiped out). 8- When I saw inglorious bastards, I always thought "This guy was meant to be a Bond villain", I feel like they wasted a top Bond performance here. 9- Why does Naomi just decide she respects 007, I don't get it! (No character development). 10- The Cuba scene felt like Craig In a Moore film. (I think the chic did great with a shit script). I also felt like Bond should have done what Naomi did. It felt like he was just standing there shooting. 11-Does anyone feel like either M, or Felix should have been there at the end? Either M takes responsibility, and gets involved. Or Felix lives and goes out with Bond at the end (I'd have been ok with that I think). 12- The toast to Bond at the end is crap. I love Fleming, and don't care for the films very much as is. (Save a precious few and the classics), it just felt like... "Oh we're going to throw Fleming quotes in there to justify things". Honestly M had no right, and should have at least apologized to Madeline. I could go on.... But those are my major gripes. PS.... Final point.... As far as Bonds death.... Does anyone feel like it would have been better if he has to die simulateously with Safin? Or something like it's established it has to be a suicide mission to begin with. and we get the sappiness out of the way and end on a Bond action note? (IE- Bond contracts the virus earlier on, and there's a time lapse on it). Good job guys.
Incredibly entertaining discussion guys!!!! I just don’t get the hate for No Time To Die. I think it’s a very well made movie with a solid ending. I get peoples grievances…. but I honestly think a great deal of people are just jumping on the bandwagon of hate for this film. To fit in with the popular narrative online. It’s what I like to call the Breaking Bad Effect. In that everyone & their auntie pretended to absolutely love that show, even if they hadn’t have even seen it, simply to fit in with the Jones’ online. It’s the same situation with Zack Snyders DC movies…. once the Martha scene reaction caught traction online, everyone started to join in on the merry parade, to the point people were literally wary to voice their opinion if they actually liked the film & indeed that scene. This is the very simple reason why Zack Snyders Justice League was such a huge success. Not only was it a huge home-run for the ardent fans, who campaigned for it, it was also vindication for the average viewers who actually enjoyed Zacks takes on the DC characters with his stunning direction & cinematography from Larry Fong. Finally they didn’t have to fit in with the narrative….. & that’s where I’m going with this in relation to No Time To Die. This film has fallen victim to internet Sheep Mentality Hatred, where it’s being maligned by people who don’t necessarily hate it as they say they do online, in fact in some cases it’s being hated by people who’ve even lied about even seeing it. That’s the thing about reply threads on the internet…. on one hand it’s a wonderful tool for all of us to share our experiences, our thoughts & & our passionate beliefs…. yet on the other hand it’s a cesspool of fake, shallow social media herds, who just want to repeat whatever the popular narrative is.
the Cuba sequence is my favorite part of the film. I actually like this film a lot. I put it in my top 5 Bond films. My top 2 are Skyfall and On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I loved hearing that theme in the film, btw.
No time to die was a travesty of a film. You are both intelligent guys, you know why they made that ending and why they put it out there. The last strand of real masculinity on screen. They killed him to make sure it'd never be the same. Bond ended at Skyfall. The rest didn't need to be made. And yes I feel that strongly about it.
A few personal views! ▪️Not enough Paloma ▪️Initial car chase not quite long enough (why no bullet proof shield or tyre shredder?) could have packed it out more ▪️Rami Malek great actor but weak bad guy (needed to personally kill more people or have some gruesome torture scenes to take him seriously)
I'm afraid I'm in the camp that really doesn't like this film. I would rather watch Die Another Day multiple times than watch No Time to Die again and I'm really not a fan of Die Another Day. The problem I have with it is that for me, it never really feels like a Bond film. The Bond elements feel purely like tokenism and inserted into a story that at times has more in common with the Taken franchise with Liam Neeson. Especially in the latter half. And of course there is that ending. To me that doesn't feel like Bond at all. Fleming's Bond wouldn't just give up and surrender to his fate. The conversation with Q would probably go something like this. Q: There's nothing I can do. Bond: You find a way to get these bloody things out of me. I don't care how long it takes. Q: I... Bond: I'm not going to die on this island. Q: Save yourself James. We'll work something out. I don't have any problem with James Bond having an heroic death but I don't feel this actually was the death he deserved. It was kind of a weak, melancholy surrender and that's not the way Bond would go out. There are other issues such as the big build up of reintroducing Blofeld only to under use him in Spectre and then to simply waste him in No Time To Die. There was very little point in bringing him back. I think they could have done something more interesting with him. Such as have him and Bond team up to take down Safin and the final confrontation is then between Bond and Blofeld in a Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty moment where Holmes and Moriarty are fighting on the Reichenbach Falls. I think that would have been much more satisfying. Then you could have had the; "Die Blofeld Die" line and it would have felt earned and more deeply satisfying. Basically, I find the film full of missed opportunities and full of stuff that didn't need to happen such as the death of Felix Leiter. It tried to hard to emulate the emotional impact of OHMSS but failed as far as I'm concerned. The death of Bond left me cold unlike the death of Tracy in OHMSS, which still stabs at my heart to this day. In conclusion, I found No Time To Die to be a cynical attempt to try and eclipse a Bond classic that is superior and has more genuine heart to it than this film could ever hope to have. Of all the official Bond movies Die Another Day used to be at the bottom of my list. That position has now been replaced by No Time To Die. Something that I thought would never happen. I always felt DAD would be at the bottom of my list as long as the franchise existed. It's fine with me if people like this movie. We all like different things. I love Thunderball and many people hate it because of the extended underwater scenes but those underwater scenes are exactly why I absolutely love it. I think the underwater photography is amazing and I don't feel as if it slows the pace of the film as some do. So if your perception of NTTD is different to mine and you get something very different from it than I do that's great. I'm sure it's shot to the top spot in many people's lists but it's just not for me, sorry.
I agree completely. I don't mind Bond dying. But I do mind Bond giving up! Especially when he has someone to live for! This makes this ending and the demise not earned at all.
I really liked this film, but one thing that tips the scale for me is the fact that it massively improves Spectre, a film I've never been particularly keen on since seeing it in the cinema.
It’s damages and diminishes Craig’s earlier films. Hard to watch Casino Royale and Spyfall when you know what ends up happening to his Bond. Awful film. Should have left after Spectre but that Big Paycheque!
Thanks fellas! There would be a lot to write here if I were to itemize the film but I pretty much agreed with both of you about it. Although I haven’t come to terms with it yet both structurally and emotionally. Structurally, the hull has leaks. Emotionally, they took Bond away from me…and I’m definitely not liking it. That said, I can appreciate the bold(eh hem) departure. Great job as always. Cheers!
Mixed feelings about NTTD for me. I have only seen it once and i felt like once was enough. Great action, loved the opening sequence but for me the ending dragged on a bit and Saffin was underwritten. Daniel Craig was great again but felt Rami Malek wasn't great but i blame the director and writing for this more so then the actor. Ana de armas as paloma was a real treat i couldn't take my eyes away from her whenever she was on screen. Overall 6/10 for me some great thing's in this but not enough unfortunately.
I agree with David’s point about how when Bond goes to Norway, the film goes off course from what we regard makes up a Bond film. Although I suppose they need to push the boundaries to some extent
What bugs me is that a big deal was made of Madeline touching Bond to transfer the nanobots that would kill Blofeld. The shot of her hand on Bond lingers. BUT Bond’s touch would already have been deadly as he was sprayed by nanobots encoded to all Spectre agents in Cuba.
A movie so self-destructive to the James Bond franchise. If I would have watched it in the theater I would have booed and thrown my popcorn at the screen. - After totally ruining the franchise by killing off Spectre, Blofeld, Felix Leiter, and absolutely worse of all, James Bond, the film has the nerve to inform the audience that "James Bond Will Return", so I guess James Bond is now Kenny from South Park, where he will now get killed in each episode, but then return again and again like nothing ever happened.
@@MegaWolfGaming This was not really about change but the execution...literally and figuratively. And besides...why reinvent the wheel if it was never broken.
I like this film more now having seen it a few times, but there are still a few things I don't like. Safin works at the start of the film and creates a great opening sequence. As the film goes on, I feel he loses any menace that was created at the start. Blofeld was so underused, as I feel was Moneypenny. Of course, the ending still bugs me. I didn't understand why Safin comes back, shoots Bond several times, but doesn't finish him off. I feel Bond could have got off the island and could have stayed away from Madeline and matilde, and lived. I'm sorry, but I don't understand why they decided to kill Bond. Even if they reboot the films, I will always be thinking, " But Bond is dead, he died in N.T.T.D". I would not have this film in my bottom 5 or 6, but would not have it in my top 5 or 6 either. It would be my 3rd favourite Daniel Craig film behind Casino Royale and the best Skyfall. It's in front of Spectre and the worst Bond film ever Q.O.S., but that's just my personal opinion.
Given Christophe Waltz said he wasn't going to be in the film back in 2017 and wasn't on the cast list in 2019, I think he was only willing to come back for an extended cameo so they had to work around that. Moneypenny should have been in it more but it was overstuffed as it was. But Safin does finish him off in a way. Bond is mortally wounded [and is struggling to walk when he gets to the surface, even collapsing a few times] which is something people seem to conveniently ignore when trying to 'undo' the ending [and he barely had enough time to escape if Safin hadn't intervened so he was already out of time]. I don't think the average person could keep away from family and cope [a fate worse than death] and the director said that was the 'final nail' where Bond realizes he's done for and accepts it. I'd argue the opposite. By killing Bond, they set the Craig series in it's only continuity [away from Connery-Brosnan and Bond 26 onward] and they can go anywhere they want with Bond 26 [So the question isn't 'Where's his wife and kid]. I think leaving him alive would confuse people as to why Bond 26 isn't following on from this [and I see plenty of comments from Bond fans on here confused as to why Craig's series doesn't match Connery-Brosnan like with Felix not being injured]. Better to clear the decks. I'll be interested to see what the reaction will be in 10 years time when the next Bond has a couple of films under there belt [a reason why this debate was too early for me]. I'd rank it third of Craig's run too but I liked it more than Quantum or Spectre [which are better when viewed in a 5 part run].
That's so easy though. Kill off X amount of characters so you get a tragedy. Here is a crazy idea, they should stick what Fleming wrote. The character conflicted by the need to find security in an ever changing world and yet being tormented by what he did.
Bond would still have the nano bots in his system from the Cuba scene when Spectre all died, so him grabbing Madeleine’s arm when they went to see Blofeld would have made no difference would it?
I think the nanobots in this film target specific DNA sequences. Madeleines and Mathildes dna wasn’t in whatever was released in the air at the party. Safin gets their dna later I think when he takes a strand of her hair at the appointment. That dna is in the vial that he breaks on Bond’s face in the fight at the end.
The fight choreography was also puzzling. At times it's like a cheesy parody of a real Bond film. In this one, Bond doesn't demonstrate the hand to hand skills that you see in the previous Craig films. Perhaps the writers they brought on board are trying to show that retired Bond got older and slower but I think it's overdone. Just because older Bond lost a step or two doesn't mean he would be such a mediocre fighter. Someone of his former rank, should be fighting smarter if they can't fight harder at this point. He can barely defend himself this time in contrast to Casino Royale where he's an impressive fighter. The action scenes are pointless in many sections and the gadgets are questionable. Does it really make sense to sit in the Aston Martin, that's full of gadgets, gimmicks and death dealing devices while the clock is ticking and just let your adversaries shoot round after round after round at these impossibly bullet proof windows?
The point of that last bit was he wanted Madeleine Swann to stop hiding information and tell him the truth. Him allowing the adversaries to pour round after round against the windows was so she could be rattled and feel pressured into finally opening up.
Should be interesting to see who takes the films side since both have expressed their dislike for the movie. Perhaps David will support it as Calvin has been more vocal
'Dislike' is a bit harsh given Calvin said it was his 3rd fav of the Craig era [and much better than Quantum and Spectre in his opinion] and David did talk about positives on the 'round table' episode. It's the ending both had issues with [Hence David's 'alternative ending episode'] but I didn't think they slated the whole film. Mixed is a better word I think but let's see in the episode.
I feel quite sad about the direction the Bond series is going in. I don't understand the continual use of Purvis and Wade as writers, they are really not very good. I wish David Arnold was back on music (he was an asset to the series). Bond has such a rich iconography, it deserves so much better than this. Safin was non existent, Bond dying is a betrayal of the character, the use of OHMSS music is very forced, create something new and original to 'add' to the series. Barbara Brocolli is the one that has final say. She wants to develop the character, but they are losing the essence of what makes bond - fun and fantasy
I love the gritty and brutal Bond… Dalton is my favourite Bond, but I do agree with you. Not only the fun and escapist has gone from the series, which is sorely needed, but also the intrigue of espionage is gone.
Purvis and Wade may have an encyclopedic knowledge of Bond, but they have proved over and over again that they can't write a decent story. I love Casino Royale, but I've come to realise the only reason it was good was because of Martin Campbell's direction and Paul Haggis's rewrites.
No problem with the ending in concept, it possiblly the only time they could have did, the issue in its execution. Its feeling like 'Let's do a Logon' and more for Craig's benift than eurned from a story perspective.
By the time the finale rolled around and I'd suffered two and a half hours of this new, whiny, stuttering, sensitive family man James I was glad he snuffed it. I'm sure the film-makers thought this personality shift would be a brave move, but I reckon it would have been braver to play up the 'misogynist dinosaur of the Cold War' and have it all end with Bond's cold, borderline psychotic spy saving the day but ultimately being alone and unloved as the world moves on without him. Yeah, it might have been a dour ending, but I still would have preferred it to this Marvel-inspired sacrifice-for-family mushy bobbins.
"I want the jet to come out of horses ass in Octopussy", that must be the greatest line of all time😂😂😂👌
Now THAT is t-shirt I'd consider buying lol
You guys are a shining example of what a fan community should be. This is a film that you both admit to having many problems with but you (and the others that you collaborate with) always come at everything with a mature and measured attitude, whether you're talking about things you loved or things you hated. The comparison to the kinds of toxic discourse that certain _other_ franchises seem to get whenever a new movie is released is night and day.
I think the correct term is Shills.
@@RaymondWilliams-uu1ns Shills don’t ever criticise or highlight problems and I literally stated in my comment that they both do that.
@@shelbyvillerules9962 They are shills. They won’t say anything that might offend Producers.
To kill off Bond was a huge mistake. That’s why director Danny Boyle walked away from the project. He didn’t agree with Craig and Broccoli on killing Bond. That’s integrity. He wanted no part in this foolishness.
Like Danny Boyle, no true Bond fan wanted the character killed off. It ruined Craig’s previous films because you now can’t watch them in the same way as before because you now know what eventually happens to his Bond.
Then there is the general public. It’s easy to see why people thought this was the end of the franchise. They had just killed off Bond and they hadn’t seen the long final credits with the stupid line at the end, James Bond will Return.
This might damage the Box Office for the next Bond film because people won’t want to turn up to see a character that they think will just get killed off when the next Bond actor decides to leave the role. This was stupidity on a Grand scale. All to appease Daniel Craig’s ego.
@@RaymondWilliams-uu1ns Do you know who else said they didn’t agree with Craig and Broccoli on killing Bond? The guys in this video. That’s not something shills would do 😂
@@shelbyvillerules9962 Gentle criticism. These guys go out of their way not to offend.
No Time To Die is a travesty of a film. All because of Daniel Craig’s ego. He hated the character, he hated filming Bond. He wanted his Bond dead. No actor should have this much power again.
As of yet, we don’t know the damage this has done. I certainly won’t be taking my son to watch the next Bond in Cinema. How many others feel the same way? Better keep the budget low because it’s always the next film that suffers after a dud.
Love the content on this channel, and love Calvin Dyson, but, we rarely talk about one particular type of Bond fan.....the folks who STILL don't care for the Craig films. Too dark, too brooding and they don't even feel like they are a part of the same franchise as the pre-Craig films. Here's hoping they return to the formula!!
Listening to you guys talk about this is so cathartic. I bought the movie on 4K but I find myself switching it off when they’re planning the assault on the island because I still just hate the ending so much. But I also find myself getting really upset when they kill Felix off too.
Yea when I first rewatched it I felt exactly the same way.
Very angry at how they ended it and how they very clearly were following the Hollywood trend of killing off iconic heroes in movies.
However I’ve since softened on it a bit and accepted that - as much as I hate it -
it really was probably the easiest way for the filmmakers to clear the slate of everything in Craig’s run and start fresh.
Still hate it though lol!
I totally agree
I totally agree with you, Wes. 100%
NTTD is like the film where everyone dies. Madeleine’s mum, Felix Leiter, Blofeld, Bond. The ending really feels like you’ve lost someone you love and care for deeply, because Bond is such a fantastic character and he’s been around for so long
Just reviewed the 4K movie on my channel and had fun doing so.
The “Comfort” Bond film is an absolute perfect description. Personally I can’t stand No Time To Die, the fact they killed Bond for me is like killing a super hero. The older bonds are pure comfort viewing for me.
I love no time to die but it’s not one of the most rewatchable ones
Had they pulled a Dark Knight Rises it would have been worse. Ian Fleming killed off Bond in From Russia With Love then brought him back. This was so Ian Fleming more faithful to YOLT than the movie. I loved it!!!!
Terrible killing bond so dumb
The BIGGEST PLOT hole for this movie is the fact, after Safin's men have broken into the laboratory, no response by any kind of security forces is seen. Given the fact that the laboratory is operated by or is working for MI6 and the kind of viruses it holds, that seems extremely unlikely!
The film does rely on a ton of things conveniently happening to forward things along or make them make sense.
So do most Bond films. But, so do most films, plays, books, etc
Spectre broke into the laboratory, not Safin.
They killed the security off screen
This is what I feel as even I had the same question
If that’s the biggest plot hole then gee not many plot holes.
This is the one Bond film that should've never been made. It's main problem is that it doesn't have any story left to tell. The Craig era truly ended with Spectre whether you like that movie or not. Bond deciding not to kill Blofeld and riding off with Madeline into the sunset was the perfect way to end Craig's arc (even if it was rushed) because it feels like Bond finally understood what it takes to be happy: being with the woman he loves and not being an assassin. NTTD exists to bring back Craig's Bond just to kill him off and much of the story feels like "leftovers" rather than the main course of a meal. Spectre and Blofeld are killed long before the film's climax thus leaving the underdeveloped Safin to be the main villain. A much better story would've involved Bond fighting the remaining Spectre members with maybe Largo being the main villain. I'm sorry to say that this is the Bond film that makes me not want to be a James Bond fan anymore b/c now I feel like the franchise has outgrown me. It's the textbook example of how to make a commercial film that disappoints the fans of it's own franchise. When Craig said he didn't want to come back for Bond 25 after finishing Spectre, Broccoli and Wilson should've just left him alone and rebooted the series with a new actor.
I totally agree
100% -it’s retroactively damaged his other films.
@@xXxCatsnakexXx luckily there’s the 4 film set and 5 film set to choose from. I’ll go with the 4 😂😂😂
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Would you say no time to die is worse than spectre
I watched it four times at the theater, not because it was really good, but because it was the end of Daniel’s era as Bond. The beginning was incredible, the ending made me weep the first time watching it.. I had just broken up with my fiancé at the time, and I had wanted her to watch it with me, but went alone.. I can’t complain about the ending, I loved it actually. He went out with a bang, and it’s time for a reset..
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I watched it 3 times in cinema but I genuinely loved the film.
These days looking back? I still love it, but the ending doesn't sit quite as well with me.
The rest of the film is absolutely amazing though. And although I know it's not a classic Bond thing to do, I love that he became a father. It's fitting for this incarnation of Bond.
I hated the film, honestly, and it started at the beginning. Given how Spectre ends, the opening sequence and his distrust of Madeline makes absolutely no sense, and I'm sick of things being tied into Vesper 15 years of films later. The ending is awful and the antithesis of James Bond (a hero who always pulls ahead at the last second to survive), but I suspect that Craig required this ending as he has previously stated he would NEVER do Bond again, and this was a way to ensure he really wouldn't. Saffen's dastardly plot makes no sense (is he trying to kill large portions of the world, selling the nanotech to the highest bidder, something else?), and is never explained with numerous items just left hanging (such as the speed boats that were rapidly approaching his base... what happend to them, and why was Saffen, who was walking towards those boats, suddenly back fighting Bond?!). I can name so much more. Since I'm writing this as I listen (and adding to it): As to Primo, I'm surprised you two like him so much. He was so unnoticable and forgettable to me that in the final fight with him I had no idea Bond was fighting him and not generic henchman #3 until his eye shorted out and he died, surprising me as I realized it was him. The CIA traitor was meaningless because he was never given a reason for why he betrayed the CIA. They made him seem important, only to have him do nothing (but kill Felix) and die with no character motivation. The scene with Blofeld makes little sense in that, apparently, he had a robotic eye until shortly before it, but no one in prison security ever noticed? The final sequence, the Russians and Japanese are concerned with a British presence at this island in disputed territory, but they don't do anything when the British ship launches missiles at that island? Why did Saffen just let go of the girl when he'd been so intent to keep her before that? It's just... bad. The only thing I really liked was the part in Cuba with De Armas (and I wish she was the Bond girl, not Madeline again).
I will admit though, I've never liked Craig as Bond. He's just never had the charisma I associate with every other James Bond. In truth, the only Craig film I'd ever re-watch again is Skyfall. I'd much rather watch any other Bond film (but Die Another Day) than anything with Craig. As a last note, killing Bond has one major problem: are they now going to kill Bond whenever an actor is done with the series and it's time to bring in a new actor? Is this going to become the norm where they kill Bond willy-nilly whenever they feel like it? There was always a sense previously that all the different Bond actors were still acting as the individual person James Bond (ear and actor notwithstanding, they were all James Bond). Now what? Are they rebooting it? What prevents them from doing it again? Just... it was just an awful decision.
Ugh, yes this movie was horrible and I'm a huge Craig fan unlike you. All the performances in NTTD felt phoned in, other than Malek. The score was by far the worst of the Craig tenure, the technology took a step backwards towards the days of Brosnan which made the whole movie corny. This actually made Spectre seem like an amazing movie in comparison and I was never even much of a fan of that one. There's so much wrong with this movie, it never felt right the whole time I was watching.
Couldn't agree more...
Craig is an SJW with a huge White Savior Complex. No wonder he was on board to seeing Bond getting blown up in the end.
Yes to everything except that spectre in a great movie.
No time to die is the second worse bond ever made. Behind die another day
Yeah, my only real complaint about the Matera sequences is that they weren’t longer. I wanted more foot chase, more motorcycle action, and more with the DB5. I loved it all, it was just too short.
Multiple Spectre motorbikes were shown, it seemed set up for bike chase combat on the way back to hotel. That probably would have done it for me, though as cool as the Primo "clotheslining" fight was, couple more moments of hand to hand there would have been nice.
I agree. Not to mention involve the all new 007 somehow. I mean her exclusion from the scene IMO just makes her more redundant
There were some bizarre shot selections in the matera sequence that obscured some nice moments as well. In videos recorded during filming you could see they choreographed the db5 drifting around the roundabout with the pursuing cars and bike going the other way around, but in the film they went with a quick interior shot and the whole part was over. It did help with the flow of the action but moments like that could use some more focus. The same goes with the fight with Primo, the trailer showed another take where bond rips his tie and punches Primo but in the film it was a one take with the ripping and punching off camera, which always felt bizarre to me
Great video. One question I had about the Bond/Blofeld interrogation (Also - going back to Spectre). In this Bond universe, Bond and Blofeld grew up together for a number of years. Don't you think there would have been some dialogue or acknowledgement of their history? Not, "how is aunt ginny doing", but something? They grew up together but that history was totally ignored. Idk, that could have been fun to hear. At least a few minutes of dialogue about unfinished childhood business.
My two favorite Bond UA-camrs together again, I love it every time you gentlemen collab
I actually was somebody who liked it a lot, but I totally understand where people’s reservations come from. BUT, I do fully believe the opening action sequence with the DB5 is one of the absolute best openers from any Bond film.
Only issue i really had was Safin was underdeveloped.
@@Zack_410 that’s my only gripe on the amazing film
Just watched Calvin's 'Craig era trailers' video. The NTTD trailers would appear to indicate that Safin was more fleshed out than in reality and that Bond would have to become uneasy allies with Blofeld to take down a mutual enemy. You have to wonder about hasty rewrites and what got cut?
Always enjoy these collab video discussions with Calvin.
Craig Bond Ranking
1) Casino Royale
2) Skyfall
3) No Time To Die
4) Quantum
5) Spectre
That's my ranking as well.
My list too. I think Spectre was great except having two bad guys hurt the film and obviously Blofeld being his half brother was inexcusable.
True! Honestly I think both Spectre and Quantum are still enjoyable and get a little too much hate in my view. Similar to what you said, I totally get the reasons why people knock them but at the same time they did a lot of things right in those films as well. I think The brilliance of Casino Royale (perfect storytelling, dialog, character development etc.) set the expectations/quality standards for bond films to a new high, so any movie that came after that has been judged a lot more harshly.
With that said, I agree Blofeld being written as Bond’s stepbrother is unforgivable haha.
I agree with your ranking. However mine is on a logarithmic scale
Never let a woman write for Bond again. This wasn’t the Taken franchise but Phoebe had to write in, Mother and Child. Bond is a cold assassin. Aloof, he beds women for information and fun and moves on. His life is the mission he’s on. Here, he’s just another protective Dad with man issues 😢
After seeing this movie I wished someone would drill a tiny hole in my head to remove all memories of it
I agree with David I thought the whole time blofeld was going to escape would've made a better 3rd act. Great stuff guys keep it up
1:32:04 that ending spoiled it for me. I saw it on (Australian) opening day. I went in at the end of the previous showing and could hear We Have All The Time In The World and saw "James Bond will return" on the screen - I was confused.
You should have thought he wouldn't have died then, lol
The return means a new actor is getting cast. Bond films don't follow continuity for the most part.
That means that Craig's bond is finished but james bond will live and continue in a new film!
I'm not surprised David's son didn't like it. From the videos they've done together it seems he prefers the fun/light-hearted Bond. Nttd isn't a particularly fun film.
The problem with nttd is that people aren't going to revisit it for a good time. The opening action scene (db5 etc) was great. But most of the film is quite heavy going.
I can enjoy both gritty and fun as long as I'm entertained. I very much was.
I will always hate the ending of this film because of what happens to my hero. But the more I watch it, the more I enjoy it overall. It shows sides to Bond that have never been shown before and it's wonderfully shot. There are low points but also highs. Ultimately, I feel that viewing Daniel Craig's 5 films in its own story arc helps to detach it from the other films and softens the film's ending. The film is right up there for me but still doesn't touch Casino Royale which was revolutionary.
I like to think that Bond's death is a reference to Roger Moore and Sean Connery passing away after 2015s Spectre. I'm sure, that the producers probably hadn't even thought about this. But this is the only excuse i can think of to kill Bond off.
The more I think about the ending the more I realise that Craig had clearly seen Logan in 2017 and wanted a dramatic death scene for his last outing, similar to Jackman's (with a daughter subplot too no less). The issue is Logan is about how superheroes such as the X-Men have long died or are dying, mythologised through comic books. In real life Logan cannot possibly live up to this image, and him and Xaviar have done some terrible things. Despite this, Wolverine does the right thing, protects Laura and dies trying to get the remaining mutants out of the country (not overly heroically I might add - he doesn't even kill the villain, Laura does). He was redeemed and his death felt right as a result.
No Time To Die just about Bond redeeming himself, nor about the nature of Bond's flaws vs his virtues. There's an element of tragedy that Bond will never be able to have a happy family, but I'm not sure if it's enough thematically to justify it.
Just reviewed this movie on my channel and pointed out some of those positives and more.
The last 3 of his Bond movies have had arguably the best cinematography of the entire run. That's really the best thing that came out of them
@@MovieGuy1998 Probably more a reference to Moore's death as filming on No Time to Die was completed before Connery died.
I've come to terms with the ending of the film now, I'm not 100% happy and I'm still not sure if it was the right choice, but is interesting that we have a complete story of Bond from the beginning to the end of his career.
Yes
Agreed.
I have gotten to the point where I am absolutely perfectly happy not only with no time to die but with every single movie that Daniel Craig made his bond and to be absolutely clear I love casino Royale and I love quantum of solace and I love Skyfall and I love specter and I love no time to die!!
Quantum of Solace completes the series. Provided closure to Vesper, Closure to help handler, closure on the villain who posed a world threat from a secret society type and who killed the Bond girl.
So right. The final 3 Craig Bonds are so overblown and self-important.
@@AnthonyP73 I loved Skyfall. I'm tempted to pretend Craig only has 3 films. Love Craig as Bond, but his final two films have sooo many problems.
Didn't Bond make an omelette in AVTAK? Didn't Fleming provide us with Bond's recipe for scrambled eggs?
I cant bear to watch this video, they're not moaning about him making breakfast yet again are they? He's a human being, what do they think he was doing for food all that time he spent in Jamaica on his own? And yes the recipe is in 007 in New York. Edit I watched the whole video and enjoyed it!
Wasn't Bond making a quiche in AVTAK?
Has noone picked up on the fact that M was disbelieving on how Blofeld managed to run a Spectre meeting from Belmarsh but nobody focussed on the fact that 5 years earlier, Blofeld organised everything that happened to Bond at Vesper’s grave and also managed to call Madeleine’s phone and chat to her from Belmarsh. No scanning the whole damn man at that time!
Good point
Every aspect of Blofeld was mishandled in both Spectre and NTTD…it took so many years to bring back this character yet he was used in such a muddled an haphazard manner in both films (like he was an afterthought on a 2nd or 3rd script revision).
@@brendansheehy8124 Yup. Hated how they dealt with the recent incarnation of Blofeld. Starting with that stupid Austin Powers stepbrother trope.
I'm quite fond of the movie until the ending. And then it drops farther than any other Bond film did as a result of its ending, even managing to beat out Spectre on that front. I don't have a problem with Bond dying. (In fact, I wouldn't have a problem with giving the series a rest at this point, since we're well-past adapting all of Fleming's novels.) But the circumstances of his death are so silly that it essentially ruins the entire Craig era for me. The magical incurable nanobots are about the most ridiculous thing in this entire franchise, and to have that be the reason that Bond gives up is barely a step above ending the movie with the Monty Python foot coming down and squishing 007.
I'm so sick of 'nanotech'. That crap got boring many years ago. It's been used as a convenient way to explain things away in too many action/sci-fi movies for too long.
@@THEremiXFACTOR yep
I like that Bond is apologizing to Madeleine without actually saying "sorry". To me that seems very in character.
"She's not yours" line: I think Madeleine did not want him to feel obligated. Also I think she did not want to emotionally distract him. As for Bond, he knew that was his child, he just was not going to press the issue. He knew he needed Madeleine to trust him first.
Yeah, I've never thought about a Bond film this much. Heck, I can't even remember the last time I thought about a film this much.
I absolutely love these "debates" and the free form style to the discussions! I honestly love NTTD but I can't deny that Safin is such a big anchor and that he weighs down a lot. There was a video I watched recently where they compared him to Zemo from Civil War and Thanos from Infinity War/Endgame and for me, that's really the closest I can muster up what he is trying to do...?? Its really bungled in the worst way honestly and I agree that there should've been people or groups or something shown to get a more tangible sense of the stakes at hand rather than being told what could happen. I think Calvin has said it best with like Goldfinger... He likes gold and wants only his gold to prosper. Easy enough to understand but I love this so much!
Wonderful and insightful in-depth deep dive into what was - for better or worse- one of the most important Bond films ever made.
Filled with brand new ways to look at the film.
After every one of these discussions between the two of you I always look at the film you cover with fresh eyes and new perceptions!
Great question at the end!
When do you watch this film in the future???
Like Calvin, on a relaxing day I’ll often throw on The Spy Who Loved Me or Tomorrow Never Dies or perhaps Goldfinger as my comfort food.
In the Summertime I’ll always watch Thunderball of course…
Winter is time for OHMSS or The World is not enough….
Etc etc
Just about every film in the series can be thrown on just for fun and relaxation.
But this one - and perhaps the Craig films in general - somehow seem like real big substantial pieces of entertainment that you sort of have to sit there and pay close attention to!
Especially this one - where our all time favorite hero gets blown to smithereens at the end!
We’re definitely not putting it on for the young kids in our families that’s for sure!
I think we’ll put this on when we are ready for big prime time entertainment that we could sink our teeth into.
Probably not just for light fun.
Perhaps after one or two new films that are fluffy and fun with a new 007 we’ll pull this one out casually again
…
but still always with great respect!
The 5 Graig “bond” movies are a self contained spin off. He’s not James Bond.
I'm really glad to hear acknowledgement of some of the issues I had with the film - especially Bond not feeling like Bond, how tonally jarring it sometimes is, overuse of gunplay and the lack of action spectacle and set pieces. In previous videos I was really surprised that nobody was talking about these things, and I sometimes felt like you guys had seen a different film to me! Overall I think I more or less agree with you at this point, though I'd probably still rate it as one of the worst Bond films. It's a beautifully shot film with some great acting and action, hampered by some really shoddy writing and decisions, and a gimmicky ending.
For me, the pre-title sequence is way too long. I like them short and concise within 5-12 minutes. But this one goes on and on for 20+minutes, at which point the title sequence feels really out of place. The film has already started and now you grind it to a halt. The problem I see is that it comprises three different sequences instead of focusing on one and leaving the others for later in the film or just cutting them out entirely.
Exactly. It's almost the entire first act of the movie before the titles. Definitely far too much crammed in there.
HOWARD W. > As a Bond fan for over 55 years, ( I was14 when I saw Thunderball in 1965 ), I have to say NTTD is one of the LEAST memorable Bond films I`ve seen. For the next Bond film, I hope they bring back director Martin Campbell.
I'd like it if they could recapture the tone and style of the 60s Bonds for the next movie.
We've had so much of the emotional/vulnerable thing (and I absolutely loved Casino Royale btw) that it's become exhausting.
Let's get back to making films that are compelling but also fun escapism.
(I'm not holding my breath though, I expect the next one will take itself seriously again.)
NTTD is the movie that will just collect dust while being able to say, “ I’ve got the Daniel Craig series collection “
Glad I got the first edition of The Daniel Craig Series Collection. Released back in 2019
Lol, along with spectre and QOS for me. Casino and skyfall will always get the bulk of viewings
Just finished watching NTTD, it was horrible. Not just the ending, the whole dang thing.
Ha, I have bought it next to the Daniel Craig collection I bought earlier, but I have yet to rewatch is, as I disliked it so much.
I always thought Bond decided to do the mission cause of what M did. So mad at M's decision, he is like okay, well, I'll go ahead and help Felix.
That’s because you’re absolutely correct. That’s exactly why Bond decided to do the mission. I’m so confused as to how they can sit there and say they watched the movie so many times and yet they still failed to follow along with the story. They’re literally reading into things that are not there. Saying he accepted the mission because he had something to prove OR because of “the 007 thing” and to stay relevant is ridiculous. And that’s where I stop watching this video.
Cool, I can watch this debate on Saturday morning then I can watch NTTD again in the afternoon but, this time on IMAX
Have watched the movie five times on the big screen.
That is my limit now.
Awesome
I'm over Daniel Craig's era completely. I'm 100% ready for a complete reboot 007 era with a new actor playing Bond at this point. I would LOVE to see Bond movies return to their roots: make Bond a spy again, bring back the sex, bring back the style, bring back the travelogue, bring back the great villains and henchmen, and yes, bring back the humor as well. I remember when Bond movies were FUN, and when the latest Bond movie theme song was a current hit single on the top-40 chart. STOP with Bond going rogue in every movie! STOP making every Bond movie a personal vendetta! STOP making Bond a drama queen! Stop exploring Bond's past and his psychology! STOP with the story arcs spanning several movies! STOP making Bond be monogamous! STOP making Bond fall in love!
1:19:15 - Do you have a link handy for that “How Not to Write a Bad Guy” video?
That sounds absolutely fascinating, but I can’t seem to find it.
Great discussion. You both are very good at verbalizing different feelings you have for parts of No Time To Die.
I wish I could feel anything but a sense of missed opportunity with this movie. Why couldn't Bond just have a mission like the good old days. Why did the movie have to try to be so complex that it "stubbed it's own toe" in trying too hard.
For me the Craig run was an opportunity missed where they could have planned and made a clean series, but it’s cobbled with a depressing ending and ultimately not as solid as it could have been esp since we saw Casino and Skyfall being so good.
But for me Bond is done and I just don’t care if they ever make more.
But being a fan and loving Daniel Craig is an actor who gave us the last entire 15-year run it makes me happy that the final film makes Daniel Craig the actor happy in a way that allows him to leave the role and not be haunted by it afterwards.
@@randallrutherford1384 a 15 years? A run that only gave us 5 movies and could not accomplish nearly anything Sean or Roger could in half the time.
@@PungiFungi not anything hunh? Well ok. Ha ha. I love Connery & Moore also. I actually love them all!
@@randallrutherford1384 yes, nothing. Zilch,. Nada. Saw every Bond movie except No Time To Die. Have no interest and do not feel the urge to see it, I do not feel like I missed anything at all. The Bond series has been going down the drain for years...first the music went down the crapper with David Arnold and his noise, and now the films themselves with the current regime and Daniel Craig.
They are going to have to cast the right actor and get a decent writer for it to succeed in the future. Barbara Broccoli has made many good decisions in the last few years.
I love these 'The No Time To Debate' Dies. Although it does slightly worry me that they killed off the main character, as if it's anything like Star Wars, the next movies will all be spinoffs and luke-warm reboots. For my money you cant beat a Crocodile Submarine Suit, for the most fun at parties.
I'll be interested to see what the perception of this film is in a decades time when the next Bond has a couple of films [hopefully!] under there belt [especially if those films take a more lighter direction] and viewers have watched the Craig films as a 5 part saga [given it's interesting how Dalton's films seem to be more popular now than in the 90's for example].
I imagine No Time to Die will do what OHMSS has done over the decades and greatly improve with age.
Audiences will eventually appreciate what a great movie it actually is.
It's only the shock of having James Bond die at the end which is proving polarising with some as it's never bee been done before. Yet it was brave and bold by attempting it.
I still think Nomi, although not a bad character by any means, wasn't a necessary character to feature in this film. Instead, I think Paloma should have been given a larger role in the story, serving as the agent accompanying Bond in this mission. Also, Bond's retirement should have been given more screen time, maybe including a reference to him remaining friends with Felix even in retirement to make Felix's death that bit more emotional.
Nomi was a miss, arrogance with no backstory. Maybe Moneypenny could've been made 007? She had field experience.
@@coyote000 arrogance with no backstory. Pretty much a Mary Sue character.
Not surprised that Paloma stole the movie.
@@PungiFungi thats not quite fair. Her arrogance and attitude is many times presented as a negative trait that she grows out of
I'm conflicted on the boat scene, because I love the Cuba scene and Paloma as is, but Felix's death would've packed more punch if he was the one on that mission with Bond
Rewatched this weekend with my wife and had to come back and listen to this debate again. Some great points and completely agree the ending section falls flat. My wife didn’t really enjoy it and as much as I tried, I also struggled. The Cuba section I was a little bit on the fence with before but agree it’s excellent! Big QOS (some of my favourite chase scenes in the series, especially the boat one) and moonraker fan here. Love the debates! Thanks for all the content!
Forgot to say it’s another brilliant debate. Really enjoyed it, cheers guys
Other than the opening sequence. The movie was like a two hour parody with the jokes taken out. I'm a major OHMSS fanatic so that was there; but the homage was over done to the point it was like it was done to appease Bond aficionados but not done with an understanding of why we like OHMSS.
What is 'parody' about it? I really don't get that at all. You could argue it's 'Not Bond' [which some have] but parody is not the right word [you could say Die Another Day feels like an OTT parody of early Bonds but as a actual Bond film but that's a bit harsh].
A parody is an imitation that attempts to mock or trivialise another work. Overall, NTTD was epic in all senses and did not undermine or trivialise Bond. You have half a point with the Cuba fight scene, but that wasn’t parody: it was a respectful wry nod and a wink to the tired formula of past Bonds. Fan-service, perhaps.
@@bjma654651651 I was being facetious. Clearly it was not meant to intentionally play as a parody. But the result played like that for me in its overuse of the OHMSS themes, tropes, and really dull uninteresting excuse for a villain. And while I alluded to it looking like a parody, the humor element that makes a parody funny was non existent.
In fact I'd go so far as to say the film seemed like it was written and directed by inept non bond fan feminists that wanted to literally kill off any vestige of maleness left in the francise. Oddly, I loved the opening pre-credit sequence and the title design, and I thought I'd be watching a great film.....But.....then it just got worse by the minute until I literally laughed out loud at the ending....not with it.
I understand there's a new generation of Bond fans that grew up with the Craig series but I didn't, and so I've never understood why they cast Craig other than that they wanted an actor devoid of witticism and panache; And were looking to mimic the Bourne franchise with a Matt Damon type. Coincidence? And the other thing I thought about after watching NTTD was how it was basically a weak remake of MI-2. Except John Woo made a far superior spy film.
@@dahan419 Overuse of tropes? Are you familiar with the James Bond franchise?! This film quite literally shifted a few inches away from the tired cliches of the series and that's what you hate about it . Not overuse of tropes, but quite the opposite. Craig is not Connery or Moore. Wah! Wah! Wah! Get a grip: the last Moore movie was decades ago. In terms of "maleness" (I think you mean masculinity): is sacrificing yourself for your family (as Bond does in the third act of NTTD) a female trait? You hate the film and that's OK, but your arguments are incoherent and inconsistent. I think you heard UA-camrs brand this movie as woke and, being unable to form your own coherent arguments, you quite literally just wrote-off a movie on the basis of other people's opinions. Sad.
@@bjma654651651 Haha relying on the DB5....that's a new one. And yes...it is overly woke. But then thankfully they now have no choice but to recast and reboot. Hopefully the next one is actually a James Bond film. Not Jane Bond.
If you're going to invoke On Her Majesty's Secret Service, you better have a female lead that's in the class of Diana Rigg. For example, Megan Boone from The Blacklist would've brought the kind of compelling charisma and gravitas that would have elevated the film in so many ways and been the proper romantic foil for Bond. Using Armstrong's rendition of "We Have All The Time In The World" only reemphasizes very painfully how far the producers and director missed the mark here. You guys just need to admit that this film is a major dissapointment. A word of advice to the Broccolis- Next time open up your wallet for casting and use some of that cash to hire an A list actress to play the Bond girl instead of going so overboard with special effects.
Yes! Completely agree. Casting was totally off key.
"You guys need to admit that this film is a major disappointment"
...a major disappointment to you, who is not them, and therefore for them to admit that would be weird? Art ain't objective, you're allowed to dislike it but don't go off telling them they're wrong for not sharing your conclusion.
@@LoveMakeShareTV Listen to the "debate" again. They make so many statements about their problems with their film, it's evident that they are trying to be diplomatic and not admit how disappointed they really are. If they actually told the truth, it could set them, future Bond film audiences and the producers free.
The problem wasn't the casting imo, the problem was the script. Terrible dialogue, plot holes all over the place, way too many characters. People complain about QoS, but for all it's flaws it's far superior to this mess. NTTD felt like some crypto bro decided to blow all his money on his personal James Bond fanfiction (and managed to somehow hire a very talented cinematographer).
@@livingbettertherapy8746 You know, they do state what their opinion is. You could just listen to them, instead of doing all this projection.
My main problem with the Daniel Craig Bond films is not Craig . He’s excellent in all 5. I also love all the action set pieces. Where it falls down for me is story. A story that ran from 2006 that I had no connection with it at all. I wish now that Craig had had 5 standalone films as per tradition. If I want a long story arc I’ll watch a tv series . Not Bond. And for goodness sake bring back the fun . Moore still number one with me followed by Brosnan. Love both your channels guys . But damn you take up a lot of my time haha :) in a good way of course ;)
There's a scene cut from this film that takes place after the closing credits. It's Felix sitting up in bed, laughing and chatting up the nurses.
And don’t forget after heat he gets a phone call from James Bond one by Timothy Dalton license to kill
It was completely joyless. A bit like the world today. Theres no fun anymore, nothing to get excited about. just people destroying things and hating on each other, day in and day out.
Craig has a lot of nerve killing the character with the conclusion of his tenure. Please recast and get it going again ASAP.
Excellent job as always. I really want to like this movie, but the main problem for me is by making it an emotional Bond film comes at the expense that it's not as entertaining a Bond film. Craig feels neutered and overly dour with none of the excitement of his previous portrayals. The film is very baggy and overlong. Rami Malek is surprisingly an ineffective villain who does next to nothing. The film plays in fits and starts and feels as if made by committee checking off boxes and is not seamless. Lastly, killing characters doesn't define or guarantee emotion. Ian Fleming, in 14 novels, never killed off Felix Leiter or James Bond. It didn't have to happen here. It felt like this was done to placate Daniel Craig who may have had too much input. Watch his first three films to enjoy the Craig tenure. His last two, with spotty writing and bad performances have already managed to kill James Bond.
The problem with Cuba is that it was shot on a sound stage and it feels like it was too. On Nomi: it wasn’t the media’s fault; it was the fault of the team marketing the movie (including central casting). They repeatedly made deliberate and pointed comments about feminism etc. The boat scene is technically excellent and necessary to tell the audience that the stakes are high: no outcome is off the table.
I hated when bond told paloma to turn around while he put on the tux in Cuba.
the problem was the writing of the character. they just made her a plot device imo.
@@terrancehall9762 By far the worst character in the movie. The 2-dimensional, sassy, overconfident black female trope? That’s Coastal Elite writing. You can feel two writing teams arguing as you watch the film. Thankfully the correct team “won” and the film is mostly excellent.
@@bjma654651651 you sound like a fox news infomercial. it was white wish fufillment like most bond movies. it is as fake as rocky.
@@terrancehall9762 Yes: it’s fake.
What the hell were they thinking with Blofeld - very cool concept with the eye thing, but no pay off, they just kill him before he literally does anything - yeah yeah they were reflecting how bond strangled him in the book of You Only Live Twice, but it's without any real backbone - Blofeld doesn't even do that much in Spectre, you wait for him to do something cool in this film, and he does NOTHING. It's the opposite of a satisfying death. It's just there to act as a minor twist. That choice was a total deflation. At least Blofeld's death in For Your Eyes Only was funny lol
This will be epic! Watching from Trinidad in the Caribbean. Cannot wait!
So is this going to be like the Pros and Cons of Die Another Day video or is one of you going to be the defender/attacker as usual?
It's defender/attacker if one of them likes it but the other doesn't so much, and is Pros and Cons of they both have a similar opinion on the movie. So, it'll depend on how similar their opinions are.
I never liked Craig's Bond but this is probably his worst imo, god I miss Brosnan!
Also IM SICK of all these sad Bond songs - the next Bond song needs to be uplifting and exciting aka A View to a Kill!
Agreed
Yes! I love Adele's Skyfall, but it really set the tone for moaning. I preferred the energy of You Know My Name.
I feel like, now that there's been some time for the movie to settle in everyone's minds, this will be a more solid, clear discussion. I'm looking forward to it.
Nah it sucked. But good on ya trying to be positive about things . Whatever that was it wasn't a Bond movie. Sorry. 🏎️
@@vincehenriquez680 actually it didn't suck.
You are only moaning because James Bond dies at the end.
@@vincehenriquez680 I liked it, it did different things in a franchise that's been going for nearly 60 years. Not all of it I liked but I can respect it for doing new things.
@@vincehenriquez680 I agree it was not a Bond film. It was a Craig vanity project
I loved it tbh
You are such a pair of bond geeks in the best way - I could not switch off - had to just keep listening to your banter for 1:46
As for the end? I mean, not being able to go forward with a family felt like a fate worse than death so the missile finishing him off seemed secondary.
There is a definite divide In my friends and family as Calvin mentions that non-Bond fanatics really enjoyed it and majority of those who are hated the last 20 mins. I went and watched it twice, thought it was brilliant. You can only go to that well once with the ending.
Why the f*** did the producers started with the idea of bond getting killed??? What are they doing?? Stop getting bond wrong! Can we please have Cubby back.
And I just hate Craig now for wanting this ending. What an idiot. He doesn't get bond at all.
Exactly. Who the f*** thought that after 2 years of covid and despair and depression, this ending could possibly be what audiences wanted? 🙄
@@NH1973absolutely! But it would have been terrible without the pandemic as well
@@philhellmuth2771 yes it was just disgraceful
Calm down guys it’s just a movie
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Cubby is dead. He’s been since June 27, 1996: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_R._Broccoli?wprov=sfti1. So unless God Almighty decides to put a definitive end to his Adam/Eve experiment right now and Angel Cubby is sitting right beside him, I suggest you to snap out of it. His daughter has been co-producing Bond movies ever since, along with her stepbrother
Michael G. Wilson. Her name is Broccoli, Barbara Broccoli.
The fact that he dies puts a shadow over the overall feeling of the film - I'm sure that if he hadn't it would definetley rank higher!!
Agreed.
David you are right it’s definitely the music I just can’t help but well up when I hear it. Held it together in the cinema just about but was crying watching it at home.
Great debate as always - I feel very similarly about this film. Great start but goes downhill after Cuba. Excellent action throughout.
One of my main issues with the reuse of musical cues from OHMSS is that it is used as a shortcut to getting an emotional reaction from the audience. I feel it shows a lack of faith in the writing and performances - “just in case the sadness of this scene isn’t coming across, here’s some music from one of the saddest Bond films!”
Howard Weber says > I thought Bond yelling like Tarzan in Octopussy and the sound effect when the car jumped the bridge in TMWTGG were the worst things I`d seen in a Bond film but when I heard the music from OHMSS ( my favorite Bond film) being played in NTTD , that did it. Are you kidding me ! What an insult to George Lazenby. The song WE HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD belongs to George and no one else. Just like NOBODY DOES IT BETTER belongs to Roger. What the hell were the producers thinking.
Right up there with 'he's attempting reentry sir.'
I was devastated. This movie strayed so far from the Bond formula I grew up with. It was like they stole a piece of my childhood and then sent me a video of it dying slowly for two hours. I’m still processing
Long time Bond fan, read every Fleming novel and saw every Bond movie in the theatre since Thunderball. I enjoyed No Time to Die, loved the Cuba scene, but hated, I mean hated the ending. Bond is dead, doesn't even really try to save himself. When did Bond ever give up when things looks hopeless? Did not like Malik as the villain, not menacing, not enough interaction with Bond. Who knows if a cure/resolution to his issue is found in the future? So Bond is dead, where do we go from here. Glad to see Craig go. Hoping the next movie is simpler, Bond gets a mission and goes off to save the world. Your analysis at about the 1:20:00 is spot on, the final act was terrible.
What is the name/link for the podcast which talks about the symbolism of the title sequence please ?
No Time to Die isn’t too fantastical to be a Bond movie, but it is way too fantastical to be a Craig Bond movie. In Casino Royale, they decided to go for a more realistic tone. Can you imagine a bionic eye participating in the poker game in that movie with the help of some bald goon holding up their cards for them? Can you imagine seeing that at a real-life poker game in 2022? No, I didn’t think so. Stick with the tone you’ve chosen until the story is over. If they wanted Craig’s Bond-verse to be more fantastical, they should have introduced those elements in Casino Royale.
@@grantmalone Le Chiffre’s condition exists in real-life, and people do chase each other on construction sites. Yes, Bond’s abilities are extreme in that chase, but I never claimed Casino Royale is ”100% realistic” in terms of execution, just much more realistic in tone, and less fantastical - none of your examples feel as goofy and out there as the bionic eye poker scene I proposed.
@@grantmaloneYou are missing my point a bit. Would you feel that a bionic eye (assisted by three bald goons) would look out of place playing poker in Casino Royale (taking into consideration the tone and style of the film, not the level of realism)? If no, then we simply have different opinions and I can't argue with that. If yes, then you are to an extent agreeing with my initial post, although I perhaps made myself unclear. I would be curious to know your answer.
@@grantmalone Fair enough, it's all subjective, and I might very well be in the minority here, since I haven't seen anyone else express the same criticism - but I'm gonna stick to it.
Totally agree. If Craig's films were meant to be a continuous arc, all happening in the same universe, they needed to stick with the same tone. One of the things I loved about Casino Royale is how grounded it felt compared to earlier Bond films. It made Bond feel like a real human being rather than a comic book hero. Throwing in the increasingly fantastical elements and plots ruined that for me.
You know the expression "A good idea, badly executed"?. For me NTTD is the opposite. It was two (at least) terrible ideas, but it was put together so well that it almost got away with it. I stress almost!
This is spot on.
Finally saw it, you guys inspired me to.
Agree with much of what you say.
My critiques (I'd love to hear your guys on are)
1- Why after Blofeld screwed Madeline would she go see his therapist?
2- If M build Heracles, why didn't he ever consider s virus or be able to fix it?
3- Nano machines so what? How many times does q inject nano bots into bond during Craig's tenure. (Ps I don't like this Q
4- It felt like teenagers fighting.... Everyone hates everyone at mi-6, and than they're just ok with each other. (It seemed rushed).
5- As far as Rami goes I was turned off immediately. A 6 year old shoots him I'm the PTS, and I'm supposed to think this is worst bond villain of them all.
6- The throwbacks to Vesper, and M sitting in front of Judi Denches picture makes Bonds sacrifice seem unworthy. (IE- If h sacrifices himself in Skyfall for M; I thought he was gonna die I'm that, I could got behind it).
7- Where the hell are the other 00's? It would have been more convincing this is urgent, if there are other 00's. (Or even instead of the virus being stolen, a team of 00s bring wiped out).
8- When I saw inglorious bastards, I always thought "This guy was meant to be a Bond villain", I feel like they wasted a top Bond performance here.
9- Why does Naomi just decide she respects 007, I don't get it! (No character development).
10- The Cuba scene felt like Craig In a Moore film. (I think the chic did great with a shit script). I also felt like Bond should have done what Naomi did. It felt like he was just standing there shooting.
11-Does anyone feel like either M, or Felix should have been there at the end? Either M takes responsibility, and gets involved. Or Felix lives and goes out with Bond at the end (I'd have been ok with that I think).
12- The toast to Bond at the end is crap. I love Fleming, and don't care for the films very much as is. (Save a precious few and the classics), it just felt like... "Oh we're going to throw Fleming quotes in there to justify things".
Honestly M had no right, and should have at least apologized to Madeline.
I could go on.... But those are my major gripes.
PS.... Final point....
As far as Bonds death....
Does anyone feel like it would have been better if he has to die simulateously with Safin? Or something like it's established it has to be a suicide mission to begin with. and we get the sappiness out of the way and end on a Bond action note? (IE- Bond contracts the virus earlier on, and there's a time lapse on it).
Good job guys.
Incredibly entertaining discussion guys!!!!
I just don’t get the hate for No Time To Die. I think it’s a very well made movie with a solid ending. I get peoples grievances…. but I honestly think a great deal of people are just jumping on the bandwagon of hate for this film. To fit in with the popular narrative online. It’s what I like to call the Breaking Bad Effect. In that everyone & their auntie pretended to absolutely love that show, even if they hadn’t have even seen it, simply to fit in with the Jones’ online. It’s the same situation with Zack Snyders DC movies…. once the Martha scene reaction caught traction online, everyone started to join in on the merry parade, to the point people were literally wary to voice their opinion if they actually liked the film & indeed that scene. This is the very simple reason why Zack Snyders Justice League was such a huge success. Not only was it a huge home-run for the ardent fans, who campaigned for it, it was also vindication for the average viewers who actually enjoyed Zacks takes on the DC characters with his stunning direction & cinematography from Larry Fong. Finally they didn’t have to fit in with the narrative….. & that’s where I’m going with this in relation to No Time To Die. This film has fallen victim to internet Sheep Mentality Hatred, where it’s being maligned by people who don’t necessarily hate it as they say they do online, in fact in some cases it’s being hated by people who’ve even lied about even seeing it.
That’s the thing about reply threads on the internet…. on one hand it’s a wonderful tool for all of us to share our experiences, our thoughts & & our passionate beliefs…. yet on the other hand it’s a cesspool of fake, shallow social media herds, who just want to repeat whatever the popular narrative is.
It's hated because it's SHIT.
I knew this movie was going to be a disaster the moment they released the promo shots with Bond wearing a tie clip.
Horrific movie. Badly done.
the Cuba sequence is my favorite part of the film. I actually like this film a lot. I put it in my top 5 Bond films. My top 2 are Skyfall and On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I loved hearing that theme in the film, btw.
No time to die was a travesty of a film. You are both intelligent guys, you know why they made that ending and why they put it out there. The last strand of real masculinity on screen. They killed him to make sure it'd never be the same.
Bond ended at Skyfall. The rest didn't need to be made.
And yes I feel that strongly about it.
A few personal views!
▪️Not enough Paloma
▪️Initial car chase not quite long enough (why no bullet proof shield or tyre shredder?) could have packed it out more
▪️Rami Malek great actor but weak bad guy (needed to personally kill more people or have some gruesome torture scenes to take him seriously)
I'm afraid I'm in the camp that really doesn't like this film. I would rather watch Die Another Day multiple times than watch No Time to Die again and I'm really not a fan of Die Another Day. The problem I have with it is that for me, it never really feels like a Bond film. The Bond elements feel purely like tokenism and inserted into a story that at times has more in common with the Taken franchise with Liam Neeson. Especially in the latter half.
And of course there is that ending. To me that doesn't feel like Bond at all. Fleming's Bond wouldn't just give up and surrender to his fate. The conversation with Q would probably go something like this.
Q: There's nothing I can do.
Bond: You find a way to get these bloody things out of me. I don't care how long it takes.
Q: I...
Bond: I'm not going to die on this island.
Q: Save yourself James. We'll work something out.
I don't have any problem with James Bond having an heroic death but I don't feel this actually was the death he deserved. It was kind of a weak, melancholy surrender and that's not the way Bond would go out. There are other issues such as the big build up of reintroducing Blofeld only to under use him in Spectre and then to simply waste him in No Time To Die. There was very little point in bringing him back. I think they could have done something more interesting with him. Such as have him and Bond team up to take down Safin and the final confrontation is then between Bond and Blofeld in a Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty moment where Holmes and Moriarty are fighting on the Reichenbach Falls. I think that would have been much more satisfying. Then you could have had the; "Die Blofeld Die" line and it would have felt earned and more deeply satisfying.
Basically, I find the film full of missed opportunities and full of stuff that didn't need to happen such as the death of Felix Leiter. It tried to hard to emulate the emotional impact of OHMSS but failed as far as I'm concerned. The death of Bond left me cold unlike the death of Tracy in OHMSS, which still stabs at my heart to this day. In conclusion, I found No Time To Die to be a cynical attempt to try and eclipse a Bond classic that is superior and has more genuine heart to it than this film could ever hope to have. Of all the official Bond movies Die Another Day used to be at the bottom of my list. That position has now been replaced by No Time To Die. Something that I thought would never happen. I always felt DAD would be at the bottom of my list as long as the franchise existed.
It's fine with me if people like this movie. We all like different things. I love Thunderball and many people hate it because of the extended underwater scenes but those underwater scenes are exactly why I absolutely love it. I think the underwater photography is amazing and I don't feel as if it slows the pace of the film as some do. So if your perception of NTTD is different to mine and you get something very different from it than I do that's great. I'm sure it's shot to the top spot in many people's lists but it's just not for me, sorry.
I agree completely. I don't mind Bond dying. But I do mind Bond giving up! Especially when he has someone to live for! This makes this ending and the demise not earned at all.
I really liked this film, but one thing that tips the scale for me is the fact that it massively improves Spectre, a film I've never been particularly keen on since seeing it in the cinema.
It’s damages and diminishes Craig’s earlier films. Hard to watch Casino Royale and Spyfall when you know what ends up happening to his Bond. Awful film. Should have left after Spectre but that Big Paycheque!
Great video and lots of good points! Thought you would have both been in tuxedo's like the thumbnail though!
Thanks fellas! There would be a lot to write here if I were to itemize the film but I pretty much agreed with both of you about it. Although I haven’t come to terms with it yet both structurally and emotionally. Structurally, the hull has leaks. Emotionally, they took Bond away from me…and I’m definitely not liking it. That said, I can appreciate the bold(eh hem) departure.
Great job as always. Cheers!
Mixed feelings about NTTD for me. I have only seen it once and i felt like once was enough. Great action, loved the opening sequence but for me the ending dragged on a bit and Saffin was underwritten. Daniel Craig was great again but felt Rami Malek wasn't great but i blame the director and writing for this more so then the actor. Ana de armas as paloma was a real treat i couldn't take my eyes away from her whenever she was on screen. Overall 6/10 for me some great thing's in this but not enough unfortunately.
I agree with David’s point about how when Bond goes to Norway, the film goes off course from what we regard makes up a Bond film. Although I suppose they need to push the boundaries to some extent
The title for this video doesnt even make sense, why call it a debate if your just gonna agree on everything.
What bugs me is that a big deal was made of Madeline touching Bond to transfer the nanobots that would kill Blofeld. The shot of her hand on Bond lingers.
BUT Bond’s touch would already have been deadly as he was sprayed by nanobots encoded to all Spectre agents in Cuba.
A movie so self-destructive to the James Bond franchise. If I would have watched it in the theater I would have booed and thrown my popcorn at the screen. - After totally ruining the franchise by killing off Spectre, Blofeld, Felix Leiter, and absolutely worse of all, James Bond, the film has the nerve to inform the audience that "James Bond Will Return", so I guess James Bond is now Kenny from South Park, where he will now get killed in each episode, but then return again and again like nothing ever happened.
Felix's arm came back, you gonna moan about that too?
HAHAHAHA.....perfect summation
this comment is absolute proof that some people are so blindly opposed to change and that's why movies these days are so samey
More like Aeon Flux.
@@MegaWolfGaming This was not really about change but the execution...literally and figuratively. And besides...why reinvent the wheel if it was never broken.
I like this film more now having seen it a few times, but there are still a few things I don't like. Safin works at the start of the film and creates a great opening sequence. As the film goes on, I feel he loses any menace that was created at the start. Blofeld was so underused, as I feel was Moneypenny. Of course, the ending still bugs me. I didn't understand why Safin comes back, shoots Bond several times, but doesn't finish him off. I feel Bond could have got off the island and could have stayed away from Madeline and matilde, and lived. I'm sorry, but I don't understand why they decided to kill Bond. Even if they reboot the films, I will always be thinking, " But Bond is dead, he died in N.T.T.D". I would not have this film in my bottom 5 or 6, but would not have it in my top 5 or 6 either. It would be my 3rd favourite Daniel Craig film behind Casino Royale and the best Skyfall. It's in front of Spectre and the worst Bond film ever Q.O.S., but that's just my personal opinion.
Given Christophe Waltz said he wasn't going to be in the film back in 2017 and wasn't on the cast list in 2019, I think he was only willing to come back for an extended cameo so they had to work around that. Moneypenny should have been in it more but it was overstuffed as it was.
But Safin does finish him off in a way. Bond is mortally wounded [and is struggling to walk when he gets to the surface, even collapsing a few times] which is something people seem to conveniently ignore when trying to 'undo' the ending [and he barely had enough time to escape if Safin hadn't intervened so he was already out of time]. I don't think the average person could keep away from family and cope [a fate worse than death] and the director said that was the 'final nail' where Bond realizes he's done for and accepts it.
I'd argue the opposite. By killing Bond, they set the Craig series in it's only continuity [away from Connery-Brosnan and Bond 26 onward] and they can go anywhere they want with Bond 26 [So the question isn't 'Where's his wife and kid]. I think leaving him alive would confuse people as to why Bond 26 isn't following on from this [and I see plenty of comments from Bond fans on here confused as to why Craig's series doesn't match Connery-Brosnan like with Felix not being injured]. Better to clear the decks. I'll be interested to see what the reaction will be in 10 years time when the next Bond has a couple of films under there belt [a reason why this debate was too early for me]. I'd rank it third of Craig's run too but I liked it more than Quantum or Spectre [which are better when viewed in a 5 part run].
My brother made a good point. Bond loses everyone meaningful to him throughout his tenure. Craig’s tale is a tragedy.
That's so easy though. Kill off X amount of characters so you get a tragedy. Here is a crazy idea, they should stick what Fleming wrote. The character conflicted by the need to find security in an ever changing world and yet being tormented by what he did.
@@ricardocantoral7672 For the record, I prefer what you said.
@@ricardocantoral7672 so true. Great way of putting it!!!
My take is that they have purposefully wiped the board with all of Fleming's Bond in order t totally 'reimagine' it next time out.
@@brycewilson5886 I want them to revert to the fun, campy era.
Bond would still have the nano bots in his system from the Cuba scene when Spectre all died, so him grabbing Madeleine’s arm when they went to see Blofeld would have made no difference would it?
I think the nanobots in this film target specific DNA sequences. Madeleines and Mathildes dna wasn’t in whatever was released in the air at the party. Safin gets their dna later I think when he takes a strand of her hair at the appointment. That dna is in the vial that he breaks on Bond’s face in the fight at the end.
Did anyone else catch on from Craig saying ‘we have all the time in the world’ in the opening few scenes that he was gonna die based on OHMSS?
The fight choreography was also puzzling. At times it's like a cheesy parody of a real Bond film. In this one, Bond doesn't demonstrate the hand to hand skills that you see in the previous Craig films. Perhaps the writers they brought on board are trying to show that retired Bond got older and slower but I think it's overdone. Just because older Bond lost a step or two doesn't mean he would be such a mediocre fighter. Someone of his former rank, should be fighting smarter if they can't fight harder at this point. He can barely defend himself this time in contrast to Casino Royale where he's an impressive fighter. The action scenes are pointless in many sections and the gadgets are questionable. Does it really make sense to sit in the Aston Martin, that's full of gadgets, gimmicks and death dealing devices while the clock is ticking and just let your adversaries shoot round after round after round at these impossibly bullet proof windows?
The point of that last bit was he wanted Madeleine Swann to stop hiding information and tell him the truth. Him allowing the adversaries to pour round after round against the windows was so she could be rattled and feel pressured into finally opening up.
David, like you this was my Bond. We are roughly the same age and it affected us the same, the ending makes me feel the same way you did.
Should be interesting to see who takes the films side since both have expressed their dislike for the movie. Perhaps David will support it as Calvin has been more vocal
'Dislike' is a bit harsh given Calvin said it was his 3rd fav of the Craig era [and much better than Quantum and Spectre in his opinion] and David did talk about positives on the 'round table' episode. It's the ending both had issues with [Hence David's 'alternative ending episode'] but I didn't think they slated the whole film. Mixed is a better word I think but let's see in the episode.
I feel quite sad about the direction the Bond series is going in. I don't understand the continual use of Purvis and Wade as writers, they are really not very good. I wish David Arnold was back on music (he was an asset to the series). Bond has such a rich iconography, it deserves so much better than this. Safin was non existent, Bond dying is a betrayal of the character, the use of OHMSS music is very forced, create something new and original to 'add' to the series. Barbara Brocolli is the one that has final say. She wants to develop the character, but they are losing the essence of what makes bond - fun and fantasy
Well said.
I love the gritty and brutal Bond… Dalton is my favourite Bond, but I do agree with you. Not only the fun and escapist has gone from the series, which is sorely needed, but also the intrigue of espionage is gone.
Worst Bond film by a mile . Connary was the best Bond for me
Purvis and Wade may have an encyclopedic knowledge of Bond, but they have proved over and over again that they can't write a decent story. I love Casino Royale, but I've come to realise the only reason it was good was because of Martin Campbell's direction and Paul Haggis's rewrites.
Damn, TBE has revealed a lot about how he really feels about this kids. 😲
No problem with the ending in concept, it possiblly the only time they could have did, the issue in its execution. Its feeling like 'Let's do a Logon' and more for Craig's benift than eurned from a story perspective.
By the time the finale rolled around and I'd suffered two and a half hours of this new, whiny, stuttering, sensitive family man James I was glad he snuffed it. I'm sure the film-makers thought this personality shift would be a brave move, but I reckon it would have been braver to play up the 'misogynist dinosaur of the Cold War' and have it all end with Bond's cold, borderline psychotic spy saving the day but ultimately being alone and unloved as the world moves on without him.
Yeah, it might have been a dour ending, but I still would have preferred it to this Marvel-inspired sacrifice-for-family mushy bobbins.
First Bond film I refused to watch at the cinema.
1962-2021 RIP James Bond 007