Your animation is second to none. Love it. Those pilots deserved that award. They remained calm and didn’t create more problems. Aviate, Navigate and Communicate. Reminds me of Flt. 123 and American over NY. Both unthinkable tragedies. Of course my favorite hero was Capt. Al Haynes and Denny Fitch on 232. Denny Fitch apologized to a little old lady that survived and she told him, “BS Denny, you saved so many,” Hats off to those gentlemen for controlling a jumbo jet with no hydraulics. Fitch had been practicing that on the simulator and was deadheading from Denver. Luck or destiny?
I flew the A300 and 310 (same type rating for both jets) for 17 years. I thought they were great airplanes. Never had a serious problem in all that time. While there is a flight control systems page that can be pulled up on the right ECAM by the pilots, it doesn't show the condition of any of the flight controls, only their movement in response to flight control inputs by the pilots or autopilot. The only way these pilots would have had a clue that their rudder was missing would have been to select that ECAM page and then move the rudder pedals to see if the rudder position indicator responded to their inputs, which it would not have since the rudder was missing. The dutch roll tendency is inherent in all swept wing aircraft. To counter it, the A300/310s (and every other large jet aircraft) have a yaw damper that automatically maintains directional control and prevents dutch roll by small counter movements of the rudder. No rudder, no yaw damper, which is bad because dutch roll, if not countered with proper control inputs, will continue to get worse and probably lead to structural failure. The A300/310s have dual yaw dampers, one primary and a backup. Kind of surprised that they didn't trip off when the rudder left the airplane.
With all the instrumentation on these modern airliners I'm surprised that there was nothing to indicate the entire rudder was missing. I've been watching airline mishap/disaster videos for years and I don't know why airline manufacturers have not installed internal video cameras covering different parts of the plane. It's unbelievable how many times there is a major problem and the pilots are clueless. They don't even have the ability to see a wing on fire or a piece of the plane missing.
With a high altitude fire proof heat to1000 degrees camera they could be on outside if pkabe and filtering pictures into cockpit of wings, engines, fuel tanks,flaps, wheels
There is not an airliner flying, no matter the age, that has a system to advise the crew if the rudder detaches or if the engine strut breaks and the entire engine falls off. How many other times has a rudder fallen off or an engine separated from the aircraft in flight? I know, I know, the American Airlines 727 that lost an engine 30 or 40 years ago. But that was a comedy of errors in the cockpit also.
Great video and excellent simulation. Air Transat has had a couple of extremely serious incidents however their excellent pilots have heen able ro bring everyone back safely. Well done!
Since small video cameras can cost as low as $10 each, it’s definitely time to install them on the outside of planes. The security camera I have at my front door is as small as an ice cube.
this is the incident I referred to in a previous video to prove that rudders are not necessary for flight. It is much better that a faulty rudder separate rather than stay attached and cause control problem like in Northwest 85.
Well, I beg to differ: Imagine having an engine failure and no rudder to compensate for the resulting yaw - to just name one reason to have a rudder? Also, crosswind landings would be eehhhmmm ... interesting without a rudder...
@@charlesschneiter not saying that a rudder is not useful, especially in a plane designed to have one. lol. I'm saying that it is not necessary for controlled flight. People in the Northwest 85 video were saying that it would have been disastrous had the rudder came off. My argument was had it come off, that would have solved the immediate problem of asymmetric rolling forces that are trying to kill them.
Wow, the A310 became an experimental aircraft while airborne & full of Pax. Praise God 🙌 she didn't lose any of the vertical stabilizer or it'd be a whole different outcome. In this case the advance in aviation safety was written in ink, not blood !
As others have pointed out, it’s pretty bizarre that modern jetliners have no detection for critical loss of parts like rudder! I’m sure there is a reason for it but probably the same reason they don’t fit global tracking devices.
Pilot question.....the 707 or DC-8 that was taking us to Nam in 1970, had a fishtail to it after takeoff....for quite a while.......pilot said auto pilot wasn't working correctly, couldn't dump fuel, so had to burn it off before landing (either Seaboard World, or Flying Tiger Lines)....did that sound like an autopilot problem or something else?...thanks
Sounds like a yaw damper problem. Technically part of the autopilot system to dampen out the fish tailing (known as Dutch roll) which occurs on swept wing aircraft.
Air Transat Flight 961 CVR Transcript 4:37 CAPT GAUTHIER: I'm going to engage Autopilot No .1. 5:24 CAPT GAUTHIER: I'll fly it manually. 5:50 F.O LOISELE: Control‚ Air Transat 961. We have a problem with the autopilot and are flying manually. 5:59 F.O: LOISELLE: We request a descent.
I have absolutely no idea how they could've lost the entire rudder and not have lost hydraulics. I'm not familiar with 310 systems, but typically a rudder is powered by two systems for redundancy (it's not expected that you would lose the whole rudder in flight). It appears from what's presented in the video that they not only didn't lose two systems, they never even got a "HYD" caution or warning message on the ECAM. Seriously, I don't get it, but I'm glad it worked out!
Kann mir eine helfen ich hänge etwas 🙄 irgendwas passt mir hier nicht die Piloten haben die Maschine gewendet um 180 grad um zurück zum Flughafen zum landen und sind nicht draufgekommen das die kein Seitenruder mehr haben 🤔 hab nicht gewusst das eine 310 alleine mit die Querruder wenden kann 🙄😂😂
It seems Scarebus had problems with several rudders being torn off their aircraft, one went down in NYC because it lost its rudder due to to harsh an application 111
Your animation is second to none. Love it. Those pilots deserved that award. They remained calm and didn’t create more problems. Aviate, Navigate and Communicate. Reminds me of Flt. 123 and American over NY. Both unthinkable tragedies. Of course my favorite hero was Capt. Al Haynes and Denny Fitch on 232. Denny Fitch apologized to a little old lady that survived and she told him, “BS Denny, you saved so many,”
Hats off to those gentlemen for controlling a jumbo jet with no hydraulics. Fitch had been practicing that on the simulator and was deadheading from Denver. Luck or destiny?
It's a flight simulator
@ wow!
So far we have learned that even without rudders or fuel, Air Transat will get you down safely. I don't believe they have ever lost a passenger.
What other stunts does Air Transat do ?
Fair play to air transat pilots, they always manage to get out of sticky situations.
Air Transat vying for the safety spot vacated by Qantas, and good on them.
Well . . . Maybe in the bar 🍷🥂🍻
I flew the A300 and 310 (same type rating for both jets) for 17 years. I thought they were great airplanes. Never had a serious problem in all that time. While there is a flight control systems page that can be pulled up on the right ECAM by the pilots, it doesn't show the condition of any of the flight controls, only their movement in response to flight control inputs by the pilots or autopilot. The only way these pilots would have had a clue that their rudder was missing would have been to select that ECAM page and then move the rudder pedals to see if the rudder position indicator responded to their inputs, which it would not have since the rudder was missing.
The dutch roll tendency is inherent in all swept wing aircraft. To counter it, the A300/310s (and every other large jet aircraft) have a yaw damper that automatically maintains directional control and prevents dutch roll by small counter movements of the rudder. No rudder, no yaw damper, which is bad because dutch roll, if not countered with proper control inputs, will continue to get worse and probably lead to structural failure. The A300/310s have dual yaw dampers, one primary and a backup. Kind of surprised that they didn't trip off when the rudder left the airplane.
You know your planes!!😇
Flying in a DC10 years ago, you never needed a return ticket....😢
Those passengers didn't know just how lucky they were. This could have easily grown into a catastrophic event.
Thanks for all the work put in this video.
Excellent screen visuals! … Great presentation - very nicely done! … 👍
Thank you!
As per your narration, I just don't understand, how come they did not realize the pedals were not responding. Stunning video!!
With all the instrumentation on these modern airliners I'm surprised that there was nothing to indicate the entire rudder was missing. I've been watching airline mishap/disaster videos for years and I don't know why airline manufacturers have not installed internal video cameras covering different parts of the plane. It's unbelievable how many times there is a major problem and the pilots are clueless. They don't even have the ability to see a wing on fire or a piece of the plane missing.
Yeah.
Yeh I agree it seems bizarre.
With a high altitude fire proof heat to1000 degrees camera they could be on outside if pkabe and filtering pictures into cockpit of wings, engines, fuel tanks,flaps, wheels
There is not an airliner flying, no matter the age, that has a system to advise the crew if the rudder detaches or if the engine strut breaks and the entire engine falls off. How many other times has a rudder fallen off or an engine separated from the aircraft in flight? I know, I know, the American Airlines 727 that lost an engine 30 or 40 years ago. But that was a comedy of errors in the cockpit also.
Really excellent video.👋👋
Thank you 👍
Great video and excellent simulation. Air Transat has had a couple of extremely serious incidents however their excellent pilots have heen able ro bring everyone back safely. Well done!
Great video and an awesome ending!
Top piloting skills from the flight crew, A relief i am sure that the rudder detaching didn't cause terminal damage to any other part of the aircraft.
Very skilled pilots!
All-round external cameras so that pilots can get a bird's-eye view of their aircraft should be de rigueur.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. The cost would be no factor on a multimillion aircraft
Unfortunately the cameras would induce drag and would also probably rip off.
It would ve great if they could get round drag issue would a lightweight camera prevent drag@@AsherJohnson-k1i
Since small video cameras can cost as low as $10 each, it’s definitely time to install them on the outside of planes. The security camera I have at my front door is as small as an ice cube.
@@bunglejoy3645
Flush-mounted video cameras with fisheye lenses would have almost no effect on the drag.
this is the incident I referred to in a previous video to prove that rudders are not necessary for flight. It is much better that a faulty rudder separate rather than stay attached and cause control problem like in Northwest 85.
Well, I beg to differ: Imagine having an engine failure and no rudder to compensate for the resulting yaw - to just name one reason to have a rudder?
Also, crosswind landings would be eehhhmmm ... interesting without a rudder...
@@charlesschneiter not saying that a rudder is not useful, especially in a plane designed to have one. lol. I'm saying that it is not necessary for controlled flight. People in the Northwest 85 video were saying that it would have been disastrous had the rudder came off. My argument was had it come off, that would have solved the immediate problem of asymmetric rolling forces that are trying to kill them.
Maybe top 10 comment I've ever seen in a decade.
Excellent airmanship. However, it is surprising to me that the crew, while hand flying the jet, failed to notice complete loss of rudder authority.
Excellent video. I have a suggestion. February 1964, eastern airlines flight 304 from New Orleans
Great video . Well done
Suggestions: Air Astana 1388, Precision Air 494, Eastern 935
Thanks for the recommendations, I'll look into those.
Excellent video.
I definitely think there should be a warning light for when a piece of your plane falls off.
Rudder? We don't need no stinking Rudder!😂
……and I fart in your general direction!
Wow, the A310 became an experimental aircraft while airborne & full of Pax.
Praise God 🙌 she didn't lose any of the vertical stabilizer or it'd be a whole different outcome.
In this case the advance in aviation safety was written in ink, not blood !
As others have pointed out, it’s pretty bizarre that modern jetliners have no detection for critical loss of parts like rudder! I’m sure there is a reason for it but probably the same reason they don’t fit global tracking devices.
A310: "I'm a badass airplane, I can fly without a rudder"
also A310: "I'm missing a rudder, but I have no way to warn you about that"
😂
If Space X can put cameras on the outside of Starship to monitor flight progress, why can't passenger airplanes have them too?
I didn’t even know that a plane could fly without a rudder.
with all that technology you'd think the plane could let you know a critical piece has fallen off.
Imagine if instead of the vertical stabilizer...only the rudder had remained attached...
Pilot question.....the 707 or DC-8 that was taking us to Nam in 1970, had a fishtail to it after takeoff....for quite a while.......pilot said auto pilot wasn't working correctly, couldn't dump fuel, so had to burn it off before landing (either Seaboard World, or Flying Tiger Lines)....did that sound like an autopilot problem or something else?...thanks
Sounds like a yaw damper problem. Technically part of the autopilot system to dampen out the fish tailing (known as Dutch roll) which occurs on swept wing aircraft.
@@richardlewis4288 thanks!
Air Transat Flight 961 CVR Transcript
4:37 CAPT GAUTHIER: I'm going to engage Autopilot No .1.
5:24 CAPT GAUTHIER: I'll fly it manually.
5:50 F.O LOISELE: Control‚ Air Transat 961. We have a problem with the autopilot and are flying manually.
5:59 F.O: LOISELLE: We request a descent.
Why was the tendency to roll worse on autopilot? Why was it less bad at a lower altitude?
So how did they steer?
Using thrust asymmetry
You’re never safe in an Airbus -
They didt use enough Epoxy when they glued it together.darn prebuilt kits
I have absolutely no idea how they could've lost the entire rudder and not have lost hydraulics. I'm not familiar with 310 systems, but typically a rudder is powered by two systems for redundancy (it's not expected that you would lose the whole rudder in flight). It appears from what's presented in the video that they not only didn't lose two systems, they never even got a "HYD" caution or warning message on the ECAM. Seriously, I don't get it, but I'm glad it worked out!
Very lucky. The actuators are in the vertical fin itself and looks like the rudder detached at the eye ends and left the actuators and lines intact!
@@paulmorris4656 Yeah...if that's the case, they were indeed very lucky.
If this happened to a BOEING aircraft…
Yeah, front page news for a week.
Then it would be the pilot's fault 😂😂
you do not explain how they turned the aircraft without a rudder
Did this accident reveal anything new and/or further cause to AA 587?
No
Wrong livery?
It was an A330, not an A310.
That's a different incident
Kann mir eine helfen ich hänge etwas 🙄 irgendwas passt mir hier nicht die Piloten haben die Maschine gewendet um 180 grad um zurück zum Flughafen zum landen und sind nicht draufgekommen das die kein Seitenruder mehr haben 🤔 hab nicht gewusst das eine 310 alleine mit die Querruder wenden kann 🙄😂😂
Ist etwas komisch....dachten wohl das Ruder ist verklemmt, aber wussten Rat...
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todays boeing planes would have bonziiiied.
ANOTHER Boing failure!? Holy smokes!😊
It was an Airbus.
I'm sorry but is that a joke you're putting here or what?
How they could make a U-turn without a rudder in principle and then without noticing. Then question - is rudder necessary.
Animation very unrealistic. At 35,000 feet, the objects on the ground are passing by way too fast. Unless folks live at 30,000 ft...
Could you do better?
Please stop wasting our time with non-fatal "accidents".
You can unsubscribe
@@joopbreuer9113 Never subscribed to this garbage channel in the first place. Don't need to be wasting my time filtering out all-survived videos.
I'm grateful finding "new material" for a channel like this is difficult.
It seems Scarebus had problems with several rudders being torn off their aircraft, one went down in NYC because it lost its rudder due to to harsh an application 111
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