Problem solved for Waterford man after mail carrier drives on his lawn
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- It's been less than two weeks since 7 News Detroit visited him to share his story of the Waterford United States Postal Service drivers driving on his sidewalk and lawn to deliver his mail.
I'm betting his mail starts getting lost.
Yep cuz they have to walk instead of possibly killing a child
So that came across your mind too?
I bet he gets all of his junk mail, but not any of his necessary mail.
"starts"? you didn't see the earlier news report then...
That’s what happened to my mom after she started complaining. She would get the no one available to deliver note in her mail box about every two weeks with a request to pick up from the office with all of her packages and mail from the prior two weeks sitting in a box.
I highly disagree with your comments. It is against the law to withhold all mail from being delivered. I have full confidence that all the mail that is sent to the young man’s addresses will be delivered as promptly and safely as possible six days per week. Even certain packages will get delivered on Sundays by the part-time USPS employees.
I'm calling BS from the Inspector Generals. They weren't going to bother with it until they got called out in public.
Exactly
they never do.
“It never even reached their desks” sounds about right for city workers. Most incompetent people that can’t be fired
That’s how everything is though :/
EXACTLY
"We didn't know you made calls and complaints for five straight years about our jackass driving on your property and damaging your yard" is the most bs pathetic lie possible
well, it is government.
Slow down, rewind the video and stop it when it shows a view of the street. You will see there are SEVERAL non compliant mail boxes. The neighbor to this guys left has graveled the city easement street to sidewalk and placed his mailed inside the sidewalk. Our homeowner has his mail box in the easement area correctly between the paved street and the sidewalk. His neighbor to the right has their mail box installed inside the sidewalk, ON HIS PROPERTY not in the easement. And on tope of that on the corner! Risking the entire neighborhood.
Had the carrier REFUSED delivery to the two non compliant mail boxes those property owners would be told how to correct the placement and become compliant before mail delivery could resume.
This guy is sandwiched between bafoons. And the PMGenral forcing carriers to walk deliver to boxes (non compliant) on the street is not the fix. It will further delay everyone's delivery.
Notice nothing was said about the phone calls never being answered at the post office. Unless they have a better supervisor that PO will revert back or exact some measure of retribution.
My dad works for USPS and says that calling the post office will never do anything, the only way to solve a problem like this would be to go to the physical office and talk to the supervisor
@@Arikian I imagine in 5yrs he's been to the post office personally. Seems that PO's supervisor/manager needed their ass kicked.
Lies Lies Lies from the Inspector General , They knew.... they just did not care.
Eh all those black ladies in that office. they are good at telling lies
Shut the post office down, privatize it. It's many billions of dollars in debt.
@@KingfishStevens-di9ji ehh, im ok with post office. just beause 1 branch is annoying doesnt mean u throw up ur arms. toss it all in way side....
you privatise it. cost of mail goes way up. that said, not sure how much we use the mail anwyays today.
still i have to admit, its really from what i seen the ONLY department the gov not really messed up to bad. collect mail, send it.
its not fastest but it does get done in timely manner.
that said. city etc should stop being in control of any other contracts. roads, internet etc. you dig into that stuff, any city. there where ur money is going..... wasted money. projects over bid, back door money deals. u want to save money there a big chunk there just for local taxes.
federal.......well u got all the 3 letter agencies trafficking drugs, children, women all over the world. starting wars, killing us citizens. trust me its a dangerous rabbit hole u start to go down u cant climb out of once u learn.
@@KingfishStevens-di9ji That is the WORST solution.
@@Theire1 The USPS would actually typically say his box is too far from the road, for the truck. Now I know why my walking carrier here in North Pontiac handed out slips to many of my neighbors stating their "mailbox needs attention", if any detail of their box wasn't up to the regulations. (Too far from road, or sidewalk, too low, too high, not secure enough on it's post/outside wall, flag is missing, or damaged, etc) There actually are detailed, and specific federal regulations, regarding many details of our mailboxes, and USPS can citation us, if we don't follow the regulations. Even though we have to supply our own boxes, they have to be set up according to the regulations, and be in good working order. Even if you had to buy your box, it's owned by the federal gov't once it begins receiving mail from the USPS.
His box was actually not within regulation, as far as it's placement on the road. You can clearly see that in the video. He should have been given a "Your Mailbox Needs Attention" slip, years ago, so he knew to move his box close enough to the road, so that the carrier could reach it from the vehicle, in every season. The carriers on that route, all neglected to ask him to correct the fault, with a hand filled detailed notice, with the issue(s) needing correction. The YMNA form carriers use (PS Form 4056), is simply a list of possible faults, and the carrier simply places an X next to any existing faults, and leaves it in your box. The real problem is that none of the carriers had taken their training seriously, or were untrained, to perform a self-inspection of any box not meeting regulations, and duly notify the postal customer of their existing fault(s).....Unless he received, and ignored any issued 4056 forms, leaving his fault unresolved, and this was the carriers spiteful response. The home owner was at a regulations fault for Number 3 on the 4056 form.
Was only fixed because of the bad publicity. Shame it took that for the USPS to do the right thing.
typical government agency. we don't care because you dont matter.
USPS has been hugely overhauled through the last 3 decades. I fully believe that his complaints never made it up the chain of command. If they were to do a follow up in 6 months, I'm sure they'd find a new Post Master at the location his mail comes from. And for any other management positions that didn't do anything. The carrier will either be fired or put in a PO facility, a lesser paying job.
The government will find ways to screw you over any way they can unless there is public exposure.
That’s why we have the free press.
yea we need some auditors to go 1st amendment their post office and see how they do with that.
BS. They weren’t trained incorrectly. They were doing it to spite him.
For five years? That's a long time to hold onto that hate.
Oh, you can bet that is the case. Now his mail will be delivered everywhere but his mailbox.
take your meds, luke
Too lazy to walk the route, to begin with.
@@honkie247Now he's going to be back on the news for not getting mail. Lol.
Cannot imagine the audacity to drive on someone’s lawn and think that it’s okay. The entitlement!
Lawns have ALWAYS BEEN a symbol of entitlement.
@@iGame3D What? Please explain.
Lawns are stupid anyway
1 step away from being a desert
Entitlement is demanding to have your mail delivered to your house at all
@@iGame3D Quiet, child. The adults are talking.
They are making a big deal about how he cares about his lawn, but the guy was concerned about the safety of a mail truck driving on a sidewalk as we all should be. Who ever thought that was OK. When he filed police reports the mail truck should have gotten tickets every time.
No more license for them.
“Waterford man has not received mail in two weeks.”
I know when I used to do park and loop routes that tends to happen. I know this particular guy isn't one of them, but lot of especially old people don't put mailboxes out when they move into an older neighborhood like they are supposed to (anytime someone moves in an old neighborhood that didn't have street mailboxes, that house is no longer grandfathered in, and is required to get a street mailbox). It looks like he is in one of those neighborhoods and likely many have not done as they should, so the carrier just drives on the yard. Technically the others that don't have the correct box should just stop receiving mail.
@@Damitsallhis mailbox is a 5 second walk they can easily get out and put mail in they're just lazy because yea other people have their mailboxes the exact same way and they're still doing their job for them but they're just causing a fight for him. There's no reason they can't do their job to walk 5 feet to a mailbox. They're acting so childish for no reason.
Best to just get a community mailbox installed for a set number of homes in the neighbourhood to be served by the USPS.
@@Damitsallthey addressed that in the original story. Iirc, he had his mailbox at the street, but they said it was too busy to safely stop there. So he moved it in where they told him to, then they started driving on his property and the sidewalk to get to it. This video says this is supposed to be a walking route.
Put the blame where it belongs - on the lazy carrier who wanted to turn a walking route into a driving route and on the postmasters who absolutely knew about the police reports and are lying through their teeth. That no one has been fired for this endangerment, destruction of property, and frankly harassment (given the number of times he’s reported this and the extent to which they’ve gone to keep driving on his property) shows that they’re not at all serious about this. At least it’s fixed for him for now.
@baileysellers7877 I'm guessing you don't really realize how USPS works or the implications of that. Most routes (at least where I live) have 100s if not 1000s of residents per route. Even if it was only a "5 extra seconds" that would add up to you not getting your mail (if the carrier doesn't want to do overtime). Due to mail security and the fact that the LLVs don't have power locks, it ends up taking more like an extra minute per house. It's not about laziness it's about speed, the carriers are usually over burdened as it is.
The postal service ignore him until he blasted them on the news. They knew the entire time.
THe gOVerNMenT DoeSN't LiE!
Not always, there are some people who refuse to pass the information on up the line. I worked with a supervisor who would not relay information up the line letting management know of issues. I had sidestep them in the end to get results.
This is what he’s effectively done in the end, the local office to him were NOT doing there job they did NOT want to place a walking postman on that rout because they were getting the mail out fast. Upper management don’t always know what is happening below them when those below them are hiding or misplacing complaints made due to the fact they don’t want to change how they are running their section.
He knew someone at that office was not doing their job, but his hands were tied, the police could only deal with those local to them as well. Someone at the local branch was making sure it was getting lost and never passed up the line. Who ever that person was will have lost their job because of this.
@@MathewtHawkinsonno the government don’t lie, but people who work in government do lie. That’s the difference.
@@dawsie your last comment is far too complex for some folks to understand
yes im sure he talked to drivers and the post office but nothing happened, even police didn't help 😂😂😂😂
Many things get ignored until they see the news .
or when the issue is escalated to higher people.
I bet the Biden Administration got wind of the story and called Dejoy to take care of the issue.
Yes, props to local journalism, this is how things should be.
This NEWS CHANNEL deserves credit for helping this man.
They did enough patting themselves on the back throughout this entire video.
Truth. If this wasn't televised they wouldn't have done anything.
Why didn’t they just put the mailbox at the curb? The neighbor’s are. People would rather complain than use common sense. Change it from a walking route to a driving route. It’s too hard and takes much longer to walk the neighborhood.
@@sueteranthe road is narrow and a mail truck obstructing the road would create accidents. The lazy government workers can get out and walk. That’s the job they signed up for and are compensated to do.
@@sueteranInstead, the neighborhood has just been converted to a walking route. Which means that every single homeowner in the neighborhood has to purchase and properly install a brand spanking new $150-$300 Post Office approved wall mounted mailbox. If they don’t, they will be subject to fines and being forced to pick up their mail at the Post Office.
Wow, government behaving badly and then refusing to change until there's negative publicity... WHAT A SHOCKER!!
Government could kill a child speeding on the side walks or private property grass ….. no one cares 😮😮😮😮
USPS is not government.
@@perrysanders9998but it is…it’s part of the executive branch.
@@perrysanders9998 The United States Postal Service (USPS), also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, is an independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States, its insular areas, and its associated states.
@@perrysanders9998get a clue pal
News needs to follow up with, seeing who swept it under the rug and are they punished.
It’s federal employment! They won’t be punished. If you think THAT’S bad…..go to work for the VA!
@@Bsn2004 Whoa...You mean FedEx is in on it too? _Unreal._
Bad managers just get moved to others offices, they are never fired. Well unless they themselves kill someone.
It's refreshing to see a news station providing a platform for people to voice legitimate complaints.
Every employee that help sweep it under the rug should face losing their jobs!!!!!!!
Never going to happen. Union
Good luck with the NALC union 😂
Really? Everyone? I wonder with people like you, how many bad things you’ve done and what judgement you should face…
100% but of course they are Union, never going to happen.
That union has been an affiliate of the Teamsters for quite some time now. Good luck!
BS, they knew!
Of course they knew, they don't give a shit about that dude. They're only doing something now because they got caught and don't want all the other illegal shit that's going on to get investigated. I'd like to see their "lost or stolen" mail numbers look like. The usps, like every gov entity, is a joke and needs to be done away with, only business that turns a loss year after year after year and still stays open. We need a president to shut down all these bs agencies that do nothing but cost tax payers money.
USPS is the laziest and the sleaziest.
@@KandiKloverIdk if I'd go that far given all of the scummy things I've seen FedEx do over the years. Half the time I don't even get a knock on my door these days, which is a problem when packages get stolen in my area relatively frequently.
Hear, see, say, no evil
@@KandiKlover No they're not. Stop repeating orange rapist man.
He better. I am in Los Angeles, CA and viewed this. And prayed on him.
not only that, it's ILLEGAL to drive a motor vehicle on a sidewalk.... regardless of who you are or who you work for (the only possible exception is the police and only during an emergency or the ambulance, same situation)... and I don't mean the little bit to put the mail in the mailbox. I'm talking about the video of the mail truck driving several yards down the sidewalk past a sign and tree....
Local USPS postmaster knew all about it, they are just pretending the employees never told them.
Nah, the employees enjoyed not having to get out of their vehicles to deliver the mail and felt they were exempt from the laws stating they couldn't drive on sidewalks so of course they weren't pushing the complaints further up the chain to their district offices.
@@chorlesteajones6794Doubtful. I’m sure multiple carriers told the postmaster, and the postmaster declined to do anything about it. Carriers are only allowed to dismount if authorized, and the post master is the one to authorize it. The postmaster is 100% to blame here. Not the carrier that just didn’t want to get fired for dismounting without authorization.
The local postmaster was the problem... the Deputy General doesn't work at the post office level, and I'm sure probably was never told about it.
The problem is I'm sure its an old park and loop route, but those are going away. Technically the only people who are allowed to still have mail delivered by foot are those who have been grandfathered in and have lived there for around 50 years now. The problem is some Postmasters don't do a good job of forcing old neighborhoods into putting street mail boxes in or CBUs.
How do you know that?
They are lying... they knew all along, it took the public exposure to get action, and he is the only one they are doing anything about.
No, it is now a walking route. Even in the clip they say it helped others in the neighborhood
It's called DEI. When the minorities complain that they aren't getting enough jobs so they start getting jobs they had no qualifications for and do the job poorly this is what happpens. It's not a meritocracy it's a who gets the diversity hires.
@rooh5825 Maybe he was contacting the wrong dept? Of course the employees aren't going to do anything, they'd get in trouble. It is all about contacting the correct person, department, or even a separate company over them. I have had personal experience with something like this. In my case, all the calls, voice mails and emails were ignored until I contacted my * State Senator (Ron Wynden, Oregon)* regarding the issue (It was the HAMP mortgage modification program) who replied within days and said they wanted to handle my case. Because my case was regarding Wells Fargo Bank they contacted The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency. Within days I got phone calls and emails and a letter of apology from Wells Fargo, and most of all, immediate help to get the HAMP mortgage approved for me. Ya gotta contact the correct people.
My carrier used to drive on my lawn because otherwise he'd have to back up to deliver my neighbor's mail without getting out of the truck. I live on a double dead-end street, and the neighbor's box faces the middle of the cross street he drives in on. He can reach the neighbor's mailbox if he puts one wheel on my lawn before he turns back into the road. When I called the post office, they told me carriers are trained to NEVER back up in an "LLV" mail truck. When he gets done with our street, he executes a three-point-turn at the end every single day. BS that he can't back up ... he does it every day, 50 yards past the point where he was digging up my grass. Now we've got a carrier who seems to have more respect for property than his own convenience, but we didn't get him until years after they kept rutting up my lawn.
How ironic, took 5 years to make it to their Inspector General's desk (snail mail). Maybe they should have a meeting with the local Police Department as they didn't take it to the proper people either!
He should have mailed his complaint to the inspector general
I'm wondering why, after a year at the most, he didn't send his complaint to the Inspector General registered, signature required? It would've proved their lack of response & the peons wouldn't have gotten blamed for sweeping it under the rug.
I've been following this story from Florida. I'm glad to see it resolved and to see the benefits of good journalism.
I don't believe for a second that the local leadership was unaware of this issue. I do believe, however, that once this story went national, national postal leadership did NOT want this coming up in a congressional hearing and made a few calls. De Joy testifies before Congress on a semi-regular basis. I can easily imagine that he would not want to answer questions about this.
You haven't studied De Joy enough. He loves that he has no accountability to Congress and has told them more than once, 'get used to me because I'm not going anywhere'. They have tried to fire him and can't. He wants the USPS to fail because he was brought in to make it fail. It's why he removed sorting machines to slow the service down. His mission has always been to make USPS privatized - so answering questions about this would be a walk in the park for him.
@@jetsamperes5762 I won't claim to be a De Joy expert, but my read is that he believes major changes are required. He has support from roughly half of Congress depending upon how extensive he attempts to change USPS and the other half is generally opposed to him, but may accept some small changes.
But I still don't think he'd want to have to answer "why are postal employees driving on the sidewalk"? There isn't any real way for him to win in that situation.
@@kcgunesq
DeJoy was installed by Trump to destroy the Postal System. He's doing a great job of that. Dems haven't gotten rid of him, which means they're also paid off by Fed Ex, UPS (which DeJoy is affiliated with) They want to privatize it all.
International. I'm from the UK.
Oh those guys weren't local, those are regional so they're not only in charge of that city but several other cities possibly counties.
good on Sarah for keeping up with this story! great example of reporting in todays age
Every resident: guess it’s time to put the trash barrels out on the sidewalk - every day of the week.
I'm a mail carrier.
I am so pleased with the outcome of this story.
What this office/district was doing is well outside of our safety training nationwide, and sadly they were able to hide their misdeeds from higher authorities until this man went to the news with it.
My office/district isn't perfect, but this was such an obvious offense that none in my area could/would have tried to get away without serious discipline.
Walking route. Duh, what a concept! Why in the world did they attempt it any other way? That street is a nightmare for a driving route!
Even a CHILD who doesn't drive could point out that the mail carrier was in the wrong and shouldn't be driving on the freaking sidewalk. Literally wtf.
Also post masters can be absolute garbage
My 3 yr old is still so mad he yells at every mail truck he sees
Headed by tRump selected Louis DeJoy… the guy who removed mailboxes to deter mail-in balloting, in fact to deter voting, in select (urban/Dem) districts. IOW 💯
A child would probably have sense enough to ask why his mailbox is on the wrong side of the sidewalk.
@@TimothyFishif you listen closely they said it was supposed to be a walking route.
@@zodarian6705, the statement from the postal service doesn't say that is a walking route and the postal service is the only organization that can provide an authoritative answer to the question of whether it is a walking route or not. I can say from looking at the type of mailboxes and the fact that those mailboxes aren't blocked by parked cars that it doesn't look like a route that they would classify as a walking route.
Years ago we had a mailbox on the house. They had to get out of the Jeep walk up and put it on the porch. They told us they weren't going to do that no more we had to put a mailbox up on the road side. I told them we didn't have the money to buy a mailbox. At the time we had repeatedly had to water and light both turned off for non payment. Money was super tight. I explain this to them. A few days later we found a brand new mailbox sitting on our porch. Inside was instructions on heights and placement. I put it up the next day. 30 years later I still use the same mailbox. My local postal carriers are nice.
😮😮Public officials can be nice. They are just people. Good or evil.
Thanks for the story. I've known a lot of really friendly and helpful letter carriers myself.
Great but does not apply to this.. for 5 yrs!!! If not video, media public .. this mail carrier would continue.. and this guy would not get justice!!
Did my taxpayments buy you a mailbox? WTF!
@@kevincinnamontoast3669, technically, no. But you do pay for it with the price of stamps. There's probably a rule somewhere that says the postal service has to provide mailboxes in cases of hardship.
Will bet his mail starts getting accidentally delivered to someone else.
It usually happens anyways!!
Yeah, delivered to a creek.
the dumpster
and these two are now dating. It’s really a win win!
@@FlyingCircusActno way!?
Breaking news...The USPS will be creating a "District Training Course," built at an off-site five-acre parking lot purchased for $492,000. The training course will feature a complete city block/simulation of the street, homes, and autos, as well as actors hired to ride bikes, push mowers, and wander sidewalks. Built for $2.4 million, they hope to have the first class of postal delivery drivers through the training course in 2049.
😀😀😀😀😀
I wanted to laugh at this..
Yay!! Thanks for giving him a voice!!
i call BS on the PO boss. he knew what was up.. what a joke. if he really didnt. then he needs to step on the toes below to fix the reporting issue chain. fools never work for the goverment they sit on there duffs.
Government will NOT fire him. No matter how incompetent and bad he is at his job
@@aaronlandry3934 Which only attracts more incompetents. 😕
Most routes that were delivered this way was supposed to be walked?
Then the up charge in fuel/mileage shoulda clued them. But have you seen the carriers lately? There’s a large percentage of them that are lazy and hid this. Hid it for a while too to have others in management in on the lost reports.
But it’s all gonna burn down now!!
very true, and I say this as a federal employee
The complaint box with a paper shredder at the bottom is common government policy.
That’s giving the lazy feds way too much credit and ingenuity. They just put it straight into the circular file cabinet.
Yep. File 13.
When a complaint is a non issue it gets ignored.
We had a schizophrenic sovereign citizen guy delivering complaints covered in poison that sent a bunch of people to the hospital once.
Good for you, sir! People put in a lot of work making sure their house/property looks nice not to mention the money spent on it. I used to be a seasonal UPS package delivery person and my driver always had respect for people's property and our safety. I can't tell you how many times we got OUT of the truck and ran/walked to the house. Shame on you USPS!
He probably said day one "hey why don't you just walk instead of driving on my lawn" and they said back "okay I'll do that tomorrow sir" but that tomorrow never came and now it's 5 years later and the news and some probations going on.
I'm reminded of that old saying, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" Thx for the news covering this
Omg. That reminds me of a episode of hoarders I watched where a lady actually thought sunlight disinfected her rat pissed junk. 😂😂😂
@@weskelly4538 Well, I guess to some degree UV light does kill many pathogens on the surface of things, but still.. yeah.
@@matej.m.rejsek8537 no it doesn’t. They had some professional whatever come in and test the things. Not one germ came off from the time before she put it out in the sun til after.
Never heard of that saying but, if you do not mind, I WILL BE USING IT!!
Good job Benny ! I think you have been very patient with these knuckleheads. My late father was a USPS employee for 40 years. When he retired in 2001 he said things had already gotten so bad that he did not recognize the post office he knew , anymore. He said many of the employees did not care at all about doing a good job and serving the public. He also said it was virtually impossible to get terminated or fire anyone.
👍🏽 I too have an Uncle who Retired from the post office in a small Rural town. He’s a Great man and was a Respectful and Kind mail carrier. And what you mentioned is Truer than True, that there’s **No Accountability** at USPS because employees Know it’s darn near impossible to be terminated.
That was why I couldn’t stand it. It was like working with DMV employees every day.
Yh. Now the USPS either does stuff to get you to resign or they make up lies and excuses to get rid of you if they don't like you
PS Ik cause an ex USPS employee, I seen first hand how they operate
It's gotten much worse. I started as a carrier in 1998 and the past 10 years or so have really gone downhill quickly. When they hire people I don't think they even interview them anymore. They just check for a pulse. We went through 17 new hires in an 18 route office in 6 months before we got one that stuck around. We have quite a few newer employees that never would have made it through the 90 day probationary period when I started, but are kept now because "it's a body" and now they're full time and we're stuck with them. I'm beyond tired of apologizing for these coworkers and I'm just waiting till I can retire and get the hell out of there.
Usps needs to get shut down... theres 3rd party companies that do a vastly better job than usps and it doesn't cost tax payers a dime to keep them in business/paying 9ut pensions for shitty gov employees.
Thank you to local journalism
Whoo! Thanks for the update!
I'm so glad that this had such an impact. hopefully more reporters will see that we still want real journalism, and that it still has the power to change the world! great job!
Internal corruption, who would've known?
And in the pristine city of Detroit? If you don’t like their driving, then stay off the sidewalk. It just became real.
I'm glad you're being heard
To add insult to injury, if that sidewalk cracks, it’s the homeowner who is responsible for repairing it!
No… technically your property only goes to the sidewalk edge, and then the sidewalk and everything to the street belongs to the city. that’s why I just called in a request to have the tree trimmed in front of my house. City tree. However, you are required to maintain the appearance of the sidewalk and the grass that goes to the street even though the city owns it.
no its not cause the homeowner did not put it there, its city or county.. the city has a right of way near the road, they are not in his grass.
I commented on the original posting that this was a local management problem. The employees were allowed to do what they wanted because management was non-existent and just collecting a paycheck. I've lived in different areas of the country, and some postal services are amazing, and some are seemingly corrupt. Similar to some restaurant chains. The management, district management, and/or regional management are often the ones to blame.
I wondering how many and how long the Mail carriers will be holding a grudge agiasnt him now. Make them WALK instead of driving.
It was probably meant to be a walking route to begin with, since similar complaints.
@@ChakatNightspark I really don't give a dam they can hate me all they want stay off my lawn. Simple I d9nt care if they drive or walk personally. Just stay the f off my lawn. Simple . Why? cause it's mine.
Sometimes it is faster to drive off a split, so the split is set up that way. The post office doesn't pay us to take extra time on our routes.
I have a number of mounted splits on my route that would take twice as long if I walked them.
Welp, when you hire obese lazy pos's....
@@bennyhunt256 yeah well my mailbox is right up on the road so it’s not even possible for them to do this. I don’t have my mailbox way back like a jackass.
There you go!👏👏👏 I complained about a lot of things at my job for a long time. Some results happened and my coworkers were shocked that my determination resulted in changes at my work. We are supposed to get a heater, this year.
Good job everyone involved in getting this resolved!
I’m so happy for this man, who has tried for over 5 years to stop local mail carriers from driving onto his lawn and down the sidewalk. I hope USPS follows through and that this dangerous trespassing ceases. What puzzles me is that a mandatory course is now being developed for the district mail carriers in order to train them about safe, legit delivery practices THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ALL THIS TIME. And WHY is a COURSE necessary? Isn’t it enough to have a staff meeting between carriers and managers, so that these messages can be conveyed: 1)Stop driving onto people’s lawns! 2) Stop driving on the sidewalks! 3) Follow these rules on how to deliver mail (rules are then listed). 4) If we get any reports that you drive onto lawns or onto the sidewalks, you’ll be fired. Short, clear and to the point. Also, I hope the man in this story follows up with legal action, because his complaints over those 5 years were totally ignored.
Oh I definitely am
There kinda already is a course that covers "Don't drive on sidewalks." It's called driver's education.
@@bennyhunt256Five years of covering up their insane dangerous sidewalk driving needs to result in serious consequences. You can’t destroy a man’s property and endanger the public welfare (while breaking the law) for five years and then just say after being busted in the national media, “Oops! We’ll stop now. My bad.” Benny - you find a great lawyer and make sure the consequences are enough to stop this nonsense from continuing elsewhere 👍🏼
Union.
Welcome to the union...
So glad that News 7 was able to bring this to the attention of the public about the USPS carelessness. Way to go guys. 👍👍
Sarah is one honey of a reporter
Glad they finally took care of it.
I guess the lesson here is to request a meeting with the postmaster personally if you have any problems. And record it.
I’m really glad I stumbled upon this follow up report because seeing the previous one sometime ago was really frustrating.
The algorithm is a mind control menace
I agree.
"...really frustrating" 🤣🤣🤣
put the phone down
Mad respect to him and the reporter for being this to light, and getting this fixed!👏👏🙏🫡💪
But, let’s face it. They did the damages on purpose, did nothing about the reports, and refused to walk their route out of sheer laziness, spite, and just being ghetto!
They better not pretend that his mail gets lost, or do anything else out of spite since they all have to be retrained!🤦🏻♀️
And in reality, they’re many towns and cities across the country that they do this in, just driving right across private property! The last home we sold the mail carriers would drive right across our lawn!
Well done! Glad you helped him!
I'll be darned. I did not think the USPS was going to do anything. Just goes to show what power the broadcast news has, with all the viewers they have.
Someone in that post office needs to get fired!
Why? F this guy.
They won't. They'll get moved to other post offices and other positions where they can be lazy and incompetent at other things.
Sounds like the the entire post office should be replaced
Good luck. Federal employees are the laziest because they never get fired for anything.
The Post Office is the most opaquely run government organization. The fact that the Deputy Postmaster and Postmaster knew nothing is astounding. The fact that their emails aren’t known but dude had to go to Channel 7 is ridiculous.
And the Postmaster General has a conflict of interest with his own shipping business
I worked there it's rotten from the top down
The Post Office is a corporation but not a government agency.
They knew
another government money pit. a lot of their employee's could'nt keep a job in the real world.
I'm happy that this has been resolved. The reporter barely touched on the real reason, that is that it is a walking route. Probably the local postmaster's attempt to reduce hours and get more done for less money.
I'm so glad this was finally resolved for this guy and others. I was mind blowing to watch what was going on. But I don't believe for a minute the uppers didn't know anything. They just had to be called out on statewide news.
Huge props to the reporter for following up and helping this man get justice
How is this injustice? In many cities, the sidewalk to the street is public property. Aside from the safety risks of driving on a sidewalk, it does this man no damage if they drive on public property to get to a mailbox that he put in the wrong place.
These two are now dating, what a happy ending!
@@FlyingCircusAct, I find that unlikely. For one, she appears to be married. For another, no woman is going to date a man that she wrote into a story as a person who is weak and in need of her to come be his hero and save the day.
@@TimothyFish It's true.
@@TimothyFish Did you see the previous story? His mailbox was in the same place as everyone else's but ONLY his side walk + lawn was getting driven on. It damaged his sprinklers and whatever else he'd put on his lawn. So he moved it further down to make it easier for them and to avoid damage and they still kept doing the same thing. How is this not justice?
they'll be back at it within a few months.
I'm glad everything had a good resolution. My wife is a mail carrier, and when I showed her the original video she was mad. She knew it should be a walking route and was surprised no one else in that post office could figure that out.
the carrier should have been fired and charged.
The mail carriers are gonna LOVE this new walking route..
This was an old walking route mailboxes were moved from houses down to sidewalk some carrier decided to just drive it
If it's a confirmed walking route, my box would be put on the wall right outside of my door for now on.
I don’t understand if this is a park and loop (walking) route why anyone would have a box on their front lawn. That would generally be mounted type delivery. Every walking route I carried , the customers had their mailboxes attached somewhere on their home.
@@vinceb755 when I purchased my recent home it's mailbox was on the side of a porch door, I put in a change of address but my mail never showed for weeks, I went to the Post office they told me I had to move the mailbox either behind my house on a different street than it's legal address or across the street in a 6" strip of grass between the curb and sidewalk? The second one would make it extremely dangerous to check the mail because we live on a US business route I can see the massive post office building from my house. They said the previous homeowner was grandfathered in , and new owners had to move their mailbox"For Carrier Safety?" They can't use steps because it's dangerous???? I got them to deliver to my front door only because my wife is blind and making her cross the street I would open a huge lawsuit if she got hit by a car! My Towns PO requires RD Boxes even though it's a Walking Route because they don't want them getting out of the mail truck unless they have a package? The town is small 5000 people. Crime is not an issue as of today only one murder in the last 20 years. . They have no valid excuse for these possible illegal rules , the Post Master General does nothing but defend the carriers "Safety '?
good point
@@vinceb755was probably a driving route but got switched to walking because it’s the government so whatever cost cutting bs they did probably had drivers start walking and they weren’t happy about that so they answered by driving over peoples lawns lol
@@AHomelessDorito , the post office isn’t allowed to change delivery type once it has been established. Furthermore, they would never switch from mounted (driving) delivery to walking because walking is the least efficient form of delivery. This is why all new homes built are now required to have a central box located in the development. That is the cheapest form of delivery.
This reads like one of those stories where your grandpa installs a row of garden gnomes along the sidewalk, with each one riding a concrete filled steel post buried 8 feet into the ground.
Good for this guy to stick with it and this news channel to give him the platform. So many reporters are cowards... yes, I know and have been trying to get help for many years
Yeah, back in the 70s park is Lil jeep at the end of the block and walk the entire block and then move to the next block. I can see how this originally was a walking route. On my old block the mailboxes for up on the porch so they had to walk if there was no way you could drive up.
I'm told the postal service tells you where to place your mail box. I'm wondering why only one mailbox is way back from the road . compared to the rest. That looks like the problem. My wanted a walking carrier. They said no.
Yeah why isn’t his mailbox in the right place? Can we talk a out that for a minute lol
Exactly. His own fault, but he whined for 5 years.
Don't be surprised if the mail mysteriously goes missing. These people can be very vindictive.
Freedom of news reporting 👍👍👍👏👏👏
A lot of these postal employees think the world needs to bow down to them. A woman told me once that their mail carrier refused to deliver mail to the entire street's mailboxes because cars were parked in front of the boxes. What?!
I had the same happen to me. I found a note in my mailbox from my mail carrier telling me that since there was a car parked in front of my mailbox that he didn't have to deliver my mail. Heck, the car didn't even belong to me! I went to the postmaster and he took care of it.
Speaking of postmasters, when I lived in Maryland, I had another problem with my mail being misdelivered and went to the local PO to talk to the postmaster. The woman at the counter told me that the postmaster did not speak to the public. WHAT?!!!!!!
Thanks post office for your wonderful customer service!
OK Karen. They are not getting out of the truck to deliver to a mailbox that's blocked by a car or snow. It's ridiculous that you would expect that. I am sure they misdelivered your mail on purpose 😂
There's no way management didn't catch wind of this for FIVE years. They're just saving face and throwing the carriers under the bus. Doesn't make either of them more or less guilty of the fact that they purposely did this to spite people.
I can believe it. He probably called the post office, they told him he would need to move his mailbox and he didn't do, but they assumed it was taken care of. Five years later, it shows up on the news and at that point management hears about it and actually sends someone out there to tell him where to move his mailbox to.
Good work to the news crew with a big thanks to this gentleman for getting Mr. John Q. and Mrs. Jane Q. Public some attention. Hopefully, other homeowners watching this will speak up as well if they have been wronged by the USPS.
I think we all feel those local USPS workers knew exactly what they were doing.
Funnily enough after the first news story our post master in my California city started delivering our mail to our UPS Store
This is what the news should be for. Spreading information and solving problems. The post office pretending they just no heard of this is laughable.
Why is the mailbox of a motor-carrier route not mounted on the roadside? Only walking routes should the boxes be at the house. At NO TIME do homeowners need to mount the mailbox ANYWHERE they wish. Mail is to be delivered, it is a NOT a hunt for your mailbox. Everyone wants to be special....nothing special about making bad decisions.
He mounted it on the roadside. Watch original video. Post office refused delivery.
They knew, how can you not know that driving on sidewalk isn't o.k. 😳
This is perhaps the silliest whiny old man, "you kids get off my lawn" story I've ever seen in the news. It's made all the more funny by how serious and proud everyone is about it. 🤣
The mail carrier caused damage to some items that he had on his property.
Neither Snow Nor Rain Nor heat Nor Benny’s lawn… 😂😂😂
THANK YOU SO MUCH CHANNEL 7 IM SO GREATFUL FOR SARAH
Let us know if some of your mail mysteriously goes missing Good job, bud.
Someone along the chain was covering for the postal worker and preventing that report from getting to where it should. They should be fired. Glad this issue was finally resolved. Kudos to Benny for standing up for himself and speaking out!
Yep, thats it, post master never got the complaint. No pictures of the post masters needed.
now id be worried they start messing with his mail
The “district retraining course” line is used often in many other areas. It’s a feel good line.
lol no doubt.... Also the post masters knew about his issue and just didn't care until it got news coverage...
Yeah, it probably amounts to an e-mail that was sent out along the lines of "Good news! We finally got the guy to move his mailbox."
I said the first time, make it a walking route, and apparently it was to begin with.
Complaints to the post office rarely make it past the first two employees in the chain.
When I called the main USPS customer complaint line, she elevated the complaint twice, and still got nothing. At this point she advised contacting the mayor and the governor. Totally not kidding.
In my 36 year letter carrier career phone calls and face to face would be ignored.Filling out complaint forms would get, at least, to my supervisors who had to answer in writing what was done and how it was corrected. Postal supervisors/managers were rarely fired, in fact, the worse they treated the workers, the faster they were advanced. The carrier in this case should have refused to drive illegaly and if ordered to do so, request those orders in writing as well as filled out a safety violation form as well as reported it to his union representative, in order to protect him/herself .
Well done WXYZ-TV, great result but don’t forget to publicise any problems he has with deliveries 👍
Dude didn’t want to walk, I’m sure they used to. Amazing how no one remembered that.
Congratulations mail carriers! You are about to get much healthier!
You clearly have no clue how physically demanding our job is especially in the summer. You wouldn't last a fucking week
I don't think not delivering dude's mail is going to make anyone healthier.
😂
So you think they’re going to hire additional mail carriers to walk that route
It would be more likely that they got a single box on each street corner and then they had to walk to get their mail
@@neilkurzman4907 I thought the video said the his street was supposed to be a walking route.
This is what you call passing the buck. The local USPS leadership kept sweeping the problem under the rug. When the news broke out, they had to act otherwise it could have caught the attention of the head USPS office in DC.
Sounds like my post office; they are constantly delivering my mail to the neighbors. I have gone to the post office to complain many times but nothing changes!
They fixed this.. cause it just now hit the news!!!! 📰
the mail carriers knew exactly what they were doing as it was"swept under the rug". it was after they were caught did they blame it on training. common sense does not fit in their brain until the higher ups tell them to stop doing it because it got enough public attention.
It’s a shame the guy needed the media and internet to get his problem solved. The city and USPS were complicit in this.
Yeah, he could've done what normal people do and just moved his mailbox to a location where it was easy to get to.
Sharon Michael… Thanks for raising my flag.
Apparently, his superiors are also unaware the regulations that govern mailbox placement. And there are actually many. Can you imagine if evertone were abel to put their boxes where they wanted? The mail would take twice as long to deliver.
Yoo I just saw the first story