Exceptionally well done! Great points about most cards not being faked. Another reprehensible thing these people do is fake slabs. And some look spot on. I think I saw breakout cards do a video on it. I think you hit on it…the trust thing. Who can we trust now. Between the hobby, the government, you name it…the list of those we can trust (outside of friends and family) is dwindling away rapidly.
Tough question 🤔 hey Squirrel 👋 Very kind to be a friend to Squirrel and let Hangout with you while you're in the card room. Could not agree with you more!! 👍 ✌️
My cat is a stray and took over the entire living room / kitchen and had to install AC just for the cat 🤣🤣🤣 hes like 18years old. Great stuff john always fun to hear you speak about cards 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Haha spoiled! You’re a good person. I have one story that has one bad eye and I think is def. She went missing for a month and showed up one day falling over and starving. Doing well now though.
Excellent video. I’ve noticed 1963 Topps baseball vary quite a bit in size, especially top to bottom. If you look at a stack, they’re all over the place.
Excellent video. I've watch quite a few of your videos, but Im a subscriber now. And you are absolutely correct... you cannot replicate that smell of a vintage card. Love the Expos shirt btw
eBay Authenticity Guarantee Definition: Authenticators authenticating the authentication. Heavens to Betsy! 🤣 John, appreciate your insights and perspective! 😊
I LOVE everything you said in this video about what grading has DONE to the hobby, not grading itself. Couldnt agree more. However, because of it I am the beneficiary picking up a lot of raw vintage- so I guess I cant complain too much!
Love the insight, John. Always nice to pick your brain with stuff like this. Other than a trimmed (super obvious/ terrible attempt) of a USFL Reggie White, I've never had a problem with fakes. Thanks for sharing the great info!
I definitely think during the card boom these flipper/investor channels served their purpose for the growth on the business end of the hobby. But they didn’t make things better for true collectors! I definitely agree with a lot of what you have to say here and definitely share your worry as I’ve noticed a trend towards vintage cards by the investor crowd since the recession started. While I know this will undoubtedly have a negative affect on me being able to get some vintage cards on my list, the optimist in me hopes that a small percentage of the “sheep” following investors get a hold of vintage cards and get the itch to become new collectors on the vintage end! Regardless of the future of this hobby I am confident our community of knowledgeable collectors will remain strong and welcome in many more people who truly love the cards and not just the plastic and cash! Great discussion and very much enjoyed reading through the comments tons of passion 💪🏼
Very good video. I educated myself and learnt that ANY vintage card with (what I call) "cracking" on the surface, is simply a counterfeit card. I did what you did and bought many reprints, along with some authentic low-end vintage to learn about. There's plenty of very cheap cards to learn on. A combination of cheap reprints and cheap authentic vintage cards is an incredible learning tool! I bought a 1952 Mantle before, and it was a really good looking one. It was a beater, but I didn't mind...it was a Mantle! However, the seller's reputation was questionable. Card consisted of a massive miscut, though, in which part of Jackie Robinson was shown on the side of the card. I had never seen anything like it and just knew there was no way it could've been faked with it being that way. Seller claimed he desperately needed cash and was looking for a quick sell. I paid a pretty penny for it and sacrificed cashing in some good cards over it. The moment the card arrived, I took a loupe to it and instantly knew it was a faked card. I confronted the seller and instantly packed it up and sent it back. He argued he didn't sell fake cards, but being as educated as I was about what I was looking at, I knew he was an unscrupulous seller and a liar. He argued and called me names. Ultimately, he finally refunded me, but I lost many good cards over it that I simply couldn't recover. If I had not known the difference, though, then that card would've went to grading and came back counterfeit. That SAME card sold on eBay not long ago for a grand or better. Guys, please be careful and educate yourself.
People trying to grab cheap cards to get rich and think they’re going to take advantage of someone. Even my mom knows the 52 Mantle is a super expensive card. Anyone selling it for a G knows what they have.
Great subject to cover. More should make videos like this. I’m searching for a Jordan rookie but it’s so well faked I’m a little nervous about buying one graded.
Yea I would stay away from raw ones unless you really know how to tell. There are lots of videos on it but I think the best way is to shine a black light on it. Fakes will look like a negative and real ones look normal.
I agree with you; I’ve fallen into some of these traps recently. I never approached buying raw cards with this level of hesitation before, and I don’t like it.
New here and new to the hobby, or shall I say returning to it from back when I was a kid 😊. I want to say that your outlook on the hobby of card collecting is pretty accurate in stating that it’s paranoid. I’m not well versed in the grading system nor the rules or guidelines that they follow in order to produce the truest grade to the item that’s in question, Im surprised to learn that they don’t set a better standard. To have so many consumers and collectors value and rely on their “educated opinion” for the condition of their card yet they are willing to grade unauthentic or fakes could cast a shadow on the service as a whole and perhaps lead people to think they’re not as reliable as we’re led to believe. I could be mistaken or missing something due to my freshness so pardon my ignorance if that’s the case. I only bring up the grading point because there’s a big business in scamming and it’s a huge problem in the collector market in general and the amount of money that people get fooled out of is insane and disappointing and the trading cards are one of those targets. Thanks for the video and the informational wisdom within it.
I have a Willie Stargell 1963 rookie sent back to me not encapsulated saying it was undersized. Decided last year to get it encapsulated sent to SGC , came back saying trimmed and encapsulated A. It's just undersized probably came out of a vending box.
It is absolutely horrible customer service if you spend money to have a card graded and it's sent back "authentic" without any reason given. But I've found that a lot of people in the baseball card industry lack the kind of courtesy you'd demand in other businesses. Card collectors just accept it - like sending cards to PSA and waiting more than a year to get them back.
I agree 100%. I’ve always said the same thing. It’s because collectors have always allowed grading companies to control our hobby instead of the other way around.
Hey....I bought a 1940 play ball Dolf Luque off ebay. It's in great shape and cost next to nothing. I have no experience with this set. Both the front and back are really smooth. I wondered if it was fake.....I can't imagine anyone faking this card. Are the backs on these smooth? Anything to look for? Thanks in advance
There are few fakes from that set. Email me a pic of front and back and I’ll take a look jmangini@mac.com. There are I believe reprint sets. Shouldn’t be too smooth.
I have a bunch of 1978 cards I bought decades ago that I just noticed were probably hand cut from sheets. Many are in mint condition except for the slightly off cutting of the edges. Would this cause them to be graded "authentic" or would only the centering points be deducted? Thanks if you can answer. Just getting back into collecting after finding my old binders filled with cards from '71-'93.
@@MrJmangini '78 Topps. I'm guessing they were cut by hand from sheets but can't be sure since I bought them like that from a small-time dealer at a mall show 30+ years ago. They're all commons so they were cheap, but I've seen PSA-10's of some of them go for over $100.
I had a fake Jordan rookie and I sent it to get graded to Beckett and they sent it back authenticated i felt like I hit the lottery and I did when I sold it !
They already have. There’s a Clemente Rookie on eBay right now that is eBay authenticated so it will have to back to make sure the seal wasn’t tampered with and get authenticated a third time.
I have tobacco cards I got in like 92.. i always assumed they were reprints but i figured to hold them.. what years before the 90s were they reprinted?
Buyers should also be aware that these days, those who hawk fakes rarely have the audacity to simply try to sell it as authentic for a high price. Widespread grading and authentication and also peer review on the internet has made this rare. What they do instead is tell the prospective buyer that they think it's legit but because they can't say 100% they are just "selling it as a reprint." The idea is to tempt a sucker to overpay hoping they'll beat the odds and get a huge deal on a real card. Because the fakes are worth nothing, even if the seller gets $50 or $100 they still made a nice profit and also covered their own ass by admitting it could be fake. So this method is preferable for scammers. It can't be said enough that it almost never happens that someone just tries to sell a fake 52 Mantle on eBay for thousands of dollars. Fakes are actually quite easy to avoid.
T206 Wagner cards were also printed with Piedmont backs, not just Sweet Caporal. If you see one with an Old Mill or a Ty Cobb back, or Hindu, or any other back it is obviously 100% fake.
Exceptionally well done! Great points about most cards not being faked. Another reprehensible thing these people do is fake slabs. And some look spot on. I think I saw breakout cards do a video on it. I think you hit on it…the trust thing. Who can we trust now. Between the hobby, the government, you name it…the list of those we can trust (outside of friends and family) is dwindling away rapidly.
It sure is!
you forgot to mention the media, who, cdc, many doctors, etc!
Tough question 🤔 hey Squirrel 👋 Very kind to be a friend to Squirrel and let Hangout with you while you're in the card room. Could not agree with you more!! 👍 ✌️
Spot on, brother. As a team set builder of a team founded in 1901. I run into this craziness all the time.
My cat is a stray and took over the entire living room / kitchen and had to install AC just for the cat 🤣🤣🤣 hes like 18years old. Great stuff john always fun to hear you speak about cards 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Haha spoiled! You’re a good person. I have one story that has one bad eye and I think is def. She went missing for a month and showed up one day falling over and starving. Doing well now though.
That is not a stray cat, that is YOUR cat!
I came here to say the same thing!
Same
Excellent video. I’ve noticed 1963 Topps baseball vary quite a bit in size, especially top to bottom. If you look at a stack, they’re all over the place.
Exactly. Who’s PSA to say they aren’t the right size?
Excellent video. I've watch quite a few of your videos, but Im a subscriber now. And you are absolutely correct... you cannot replicate that smell of a vintage card. Love the Expos shirt btw
eBay Authenticity Guarantee Definition: Authenticators authenticating the authentication. Heavens to Betsy! 🤣 John, appreciate your insights and perspective! 😊
I LOVE everything you said in this video about what grading has DONE to the hobby, not grading itself. Couldnt agree more.
However, because of it I am the beneficiary picking up a lot of raw vintage- so I guess I cant complain too much!
Me too my man.
Great info John. Makes me feel better about the '65 set I'm putting together.
Agree with you about the "A" grades.
It gives me chills that someone actually agreed with me
@@MrJmangini 😄😅😆
Hi Squirrel! Very great video and thanks for sharing the knowledge
Forget the cards - I want that Expos shirt!!! Les Expos nous amours!!!
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Love the insight, John. Always nice to pick your brain with stuff like this. Other than a trimmed (super obvious/ terrible attempt) of a USFL Reggie White, I've never had a problem with fakes. Thanks for sharing the great info!
I haven’t either.
I definitely think during the card boom these flipper/investor channels served their purpose for the growth on the business end of the hobby. But they didn’t make things better for true collectors!
I definitely agree with a lot of what you have to say here and definitely share your worry as I’ve noticed a trend towards vintage cards by the investor crowd since the recession started. While I know this will undoubtedly have a negative affect on me being able to get some vintage cards on my list, the optimist in me hopes that a small percentage of the “sheep” following investors get a hold of vintage cards and get the itch to become new collectors on the vintage end!
Regardless of the future of this hobby I am confident our community of knowledgeable collectors will remain strong and welcome in many more people who truly love the cards and not just the plastic and cash! Great discussion and very much enjoyed reading through the comments tons of passion 💪🏼
Very good video. I educated myself and learnt that ANY vintage card with (what I call) "cracking" on the surface, is simply a counterfeit card. I did what you did and bought many reprints, along with some authentic low-end vintage to learn about. There's plenty of very cheap cards to learn on. A combination of cheap reprints and cheap authentic vintage cards is an incredible learning tool! I bought a 1952 Mantle before, and it was a really good looking one. It was a beater, but I didn't mind...it was a Mantle! However, the seller's reputation was questionable. Card consisted of a massive miscut, though, in which part of Jackie Robinson was shown on the side of the card. I had never seen anything like it and just knew there was no way it could've been faked with it being that way. Seller claimed he desperately needed cash and was looking for a quick sell. I paid a pretty penny for it and sacrificed cashing in some good cards over it. The moment the card arrived, I took a loupe to it and instantly knew it was a faked card. I confronted the seller and instantly packed it up and sent it back. He argued he didn't sell fake cards, but being as educated as I was about what I was looking at, I knew he was an unscrupulous seller and a liar. He argued and called me names. Ultimately, he finally refunded me, but I lost many good cards over it that I simply couldn't recover. If I had not known the difference, though, then that card would've went to grading and came back counterfeit. That SAME card sold on eBay not long ago for a grand or better. Guys, please be careful and educate yourself.
People trying to grab cheap cards to get rich and think they’re going to take advantage of someone. Even my mom knows the 52 Mantle is a super expensive card. Anyone selling it for a G knows what they have.
Nice video. My wife laughs at me when I smell a card.
Haha
One of my favorite things to do -- grab a stack of cards and hold them right under my nose.
Great subject to cover. More should make videos like this. I’m searching for a Jordan rookie but it’s so well faked I’m a little nervous about buying one graded.
Yea I would stay away from raw ones unless you really know how to tell. There are lots of videos on it but I think the best way is to shine a black light on it. Fakes will look like a negative and real ones look normal.
I agree with you; I’ve fallen into some of these traps recently. I never approached buying raw cards with this level of hesitation before, and I don’t like it.
Right. First grading and authenticating has made everyone paranoid and then the scammer add to that! You don’t know what to trust anymore.
New here and new to the hobby, or shall I say returning to it from back when I was a kid 😊.
I want to say that your outlook on the hobby of card collecting is pretty accurate in stating that it’s paranoid.
I’m not well versed in the grading system nor the rules or guidelines that they follow in order to produce the truest grade to the item that’s in question, Im surprised to learn that they don’t set a better standard. To have so many consumers and collectors value and rely on their “educated opinion” for the condition of their card yet they are willing to grade unauthentic or fakes could cast a shadow on the service as a whole and perhaps lead people to think they’re not as reliable as we’re led to believe. I could be mistaken or missing something due to my freshness so pardon my ignorance if that’s the case. I only bring up the grading point because there’s a big business in scamming and it’s a huge problem in the collector market in general and the amount of money that people get fooled out of is insane and disappointing and the trading cards are one of those targets.
Thanks for the video and the informational wisdom within it.
I’d say you’re pretty accurate with what you’re saying.
I have a Willie Stargell 1963 rookie sent back to me not encapsulated saying it was undersized. Decided last year to get it encapsulated sent to SGC , came back saying trimmed and encapsulated A. It's just undersized probably came out of a vending box.
Exactly. And if that’s the case it’s NOT altered. If Topps made it that way it’s a completely legitimate card.
Great video.
Thanks
I love stray cats
Terry Bradshaw 71 Topps ! Opions
Had to buy three different '67 Brock cards on eBay before I got a real one. First two felt thin and had an odd finish on them.
First I’ve ever heard that one!
Great Video Brother
Thanks
It is absolutely horrible customer service if you spend money to have a card graded and it's sent back "authentic" without any reason given. But I've found that a lot of people in the baseball card industry lack the kind of courtesy you'd demand in other businesses. Card collectors just accept it - like sending cards to PSA and waiting more than a year to get them back.
I agree 100%. I’ve always said the same thing. It’s because collectors have always allowed grading companies to control our hobby instead of the other way around.
Yup. We collect slabs, not cards John!!!!!
Hey....I bought a 1940 play ball Dolf Luque off ebay. It's in great shape and cost next to nothing. I have no experience with this set. Both the front and back are really smooth. I wondered if it was fake.....I can't imagine anyone faking this card.
Are the backs on these smooth? Anything to look for?
Thanks in advance
There are few fakes from that set. Email me a pic of front and back and I’ll take a look jmangini@mac.com. There are I believe reprint sets. Shouldn’t be too smooth.
I have a bunch of 1978 cards I bought decades ago that I just noticed were probably hand cut from sheets. Many are in mint condition except for the slightly off cutting of the edges. Would this cause them to be graded "authentic" or would only the centering points be deducted? Thanks if you can answer. Just getting back into collecting after finding my old binders filled with cards from '71-'93.
Hand cut would get an A probably
@@MrJmangini Oh, well. Thanks.
@@davewebbtheauthor wait are they 78 Topps or are you talking Hostess?
@@MrJmangini '78 Topps. I'm guessing they were cut by hand from sheets but can't be sure since I bought them like that from a small-time dealer at a mall show 30+ years ago. They're all commons so they were cheap, but I've seen PSA-10's of some of them go for over $100.
@@davewebbtheauthor those came from Dynamite magazine. They inserted strips of them in the magazine and you could cut them out.
I had a fake Jordan rookie and I sent it to get graded to Beckett and they sent it back authenticated i felt like I hit the lottery and I did when I sold it !
Was it truly fake or did you just think it was fake?
Can't wait until they start authenticating the authentication of authenticated slabs! Lol 😒
They already have. There’s a Clemente Rookie on eBay right now that is eBay authenticated so it will have to back to make sure the seal wasn’t tampered with and get authenticated a third time.
I have tobacco cards I got in like 92.. i always assumed they were reprints but i figured to hold them.. what years before the 90s were they reprinted?
I’ve never seen a realistic fake of a T206 card. They made reprints for baseball card collecting kits and there were perforated ones issued in a book.
@@MrJmangini hmm I might be sitting on gold. I have up to ten in my card collection. I need to get those out asap 🫵🏾👊🏾
Look for the dot on Gretzky’s shoulder
You would think Beckett could definitively say
@@MrJmangini I know, that’s Gretzky rc counterfeit 101 on the OPC
They actually did cut them with wires.....lol
I thought so
I heard the opeechee Wayne gretsky rookie was wire cut that's why there so rare....crazy
Buyers should also be aware that these days, those who hawk fakes rarely have the audacity to simply try to sell it as authentic for a high price. Widespread grading and authentication and also peer review on the internet has made this rare. What they do instead is tell the prospective buyer that they think it's legit but because they can't say 100% they are just "selling it as a reprint." The idea is to tempt a sucker to overpay hoping they'll beat the odds and get a huge deal on a real card. Because the fakes are worth nothing, even if the seller gets $50 or $100 they still made a nice profit and also covered their own ass by admitting it could be fake. So this method is preferable for scammers. It can't be said enough that it almost never happens that someone just tries to sell a fake 52 Mantle on eBay for thousands of dollars. Fakes are actually quite easy to avoid.
Yep all spot on. I see those listings still all the time.
T206 Wagner cards were also printed with Piedmont backs, not just Sweet Caporal. If you see one with an Old Mill or a Ty Cobb back, or Hindu, or any other back it is obviously 100% fake.
That is correct