Mr. Scalf, thank you for this video. I did a bit of research on the ownership of the right of way from Madrid to Waldo and found something that says that the ICC in 1960 approved the abandonment by Santa Fe of that right of way. It is only a slip from an ICC report but if true, then the right of way may be available. However, at the same sight, a description of the right of way said that it was in private hands. A search of the county records might reveal more. As for ANY interest by the BNSF, they are NOT in the business of seeing former engines come back to life. That is where the UP (and in the past the NS) shines(d). Finally, as this was one of the first of the Santa Fe locomotives to be build for a offshoot company by a firm that no longer exists, it's preservation is crucial if only to preserve a last remaining train from that manufacturing company. Thank you again for the video and I look forward to any updates.
Tom, You have uncovered a hidden gem in the foothills of Madrid. Have been there before, but never knew of the train. I always associated Madrid with turquoise mines - not coal. Very interesting story.
*There are PLENTY of skilled crews and teams around who could restore that engine back to working condition... Could even be put on a special tired trailer and towed by truck to the nearest rail line and taken away to a shop for restoration. Other than the lady calling it a "train", I appreciated her vision and enthusiasm. Too many PPL would probably just want it cut up and sold for scrap...*
I grew up along the roadbed that ran south of Madrid, and I really think 769 would be amazing if it were running to Waldo at least. Added bonus: it would provide some great filmmaking opportunities along the line. I’ll certainly be sending some support towards 769.
I saw a little borrow gauge loco in Portland a few years ago it was in very poor condition. Fast forward a couple of year we saw it at the 150 anniversary celebration and it was immaculate!
I've rang the bell of the locomotive once and go to Madrid quiet often I hope I get to see the locomotive run once more it would be a huge profit to Madrid
This locomotive could definitely be restored given enough time and elbow grease. This locomotive is very interesting being that it was from the St. Louis Rocky Mountain & Pacific, a short line bought out by the Santa Fe.
Built in 1900 by the Richmond Locomotive Works, 769 is one of only a handful of non-Baldwin-built Santa Fe steamers still in existence. It began life as Santa Fe Pacific Railroad #266, the first of a group of 20 2-8-0's built for this A.T.&S.F. subsidiary (the SFP was formed to operate the former Atlantic & Pacific Railroad when the Santa Fe took possession of the latter in 1897). In 1902, the locomotive became A.T.&S.F. 3045, and some time later was renumbered to 769. The engine traded tenders at least once in its career, ending up with the tank from Santa Fe 4-6-2 #1227, which was scrapped in 1936. While several members of the 769-class were cut down to lowly 0-8-0's in the Santa Fe's shops in the 1930's, class locomotive 769 suffered the possibly greater indignity of being sold off to the Albuquerque & Los Cerrillos Coal Company in 1950. Along with 2-8-0's 870 and 874, 769 was sent to work at the coal mine at Madrid, NM, located at the end of a branch extending south from the Santa Fe main at Waldo. The 769 was never renumbered nor relettered by the coal company, and spent its post-Santa Fe career in full A.T.&S.F. markings. When the mine shut down amid a declining coal market in 1959, Madrid became a ghost town. Locomotives 769 and 870 were abandoned on-site and left to rust. The 769 was mysteriously parked just outside the old 1-stall enginehouse, which could have afforded it some protection from the elements for the 20 years it sat neglected in Madrid.
IN ITS LAST DAYS MAY HAVE BEEN PURCHASED BY THE MINE! ALSO IT MAY HAVE BEEN USED AS A STATIONARY BOILER FOR THE MINE! I HAVE AN SOURCE OF INFORMATION TO KNOW WHAT WAS DONE, AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THIS POST!! KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!! 👍👍
@@YardLimit ACCORDING TO MY BOOK BY FRED WORLY, “ IRON HORSES OF THE SANTA FE TRAIL” IT WAS SOLD TO THE ALBEQUERQUE AND CERILLO COAL CO! 4-13-50. WAS REBOILERED WITH BOILER AT898. CONVERTED TO 0-8-0 8-1934 REBOILERED WITH BOILER 529. ALL THIS WORK DONE AT ALBEQUERQUE SHOPS! I WILL ALSO CONTACT LORIE AT THE BAR!! THE ENTIRE 769 CLASS HAS AN INTERESTING MECHANICAL HISTORY! AS FOR MYSELF , I AM A RETIRED AT&SF MACHINIST THAT SERVED HIS TIME WITH JOURNEY MEN WHO WERE QUITE FAMILIAR WITH STEAM! KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!! 👍👍
@@YardLimit ROSS BRYAN HERE! CONTACT LORI AT THE MINESHAFT AN TELL HER I HAVE ATTEMPTED TO CALL HER ABOUT 769. I LEFT MY PHONE NUMBER WITH HER AND IF YOU CAN GET IT AND CALL ME PLEASE!! I DID FIND THE LOCOMOTIVE PIX AND MY FEELING ARE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC!! ROSS BRYAN KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!! 👍👍
Interesting comment. I'm no expert on restoring locomotives but your statements are probably true. However, to say the funding isn't there makes no sense at all. Right now, the funding isn't there for anything.
Most likely she requires HAZMAT abatement, but the need for a new boiler is far from a forgone conclusion. Unless it is known for certain that the locomotive was taken out of service because the boiler was condemned, that determination can only be made by a detailed engineering survey, which can only be conducted after the boiler jacket is removed and abatement is concluded. Even so, the vast majority of steam locomotive restorations in the U.S. have been done by repairing the existing boiler. Replacing the entire boiler is relatively rare.
@@blackbirdgaming8147 how do you think that? theres millions of rail enthusiasts around the world. once they hear of her they will probably be interested
If you are willing to spend a LOT AND A LOT OF money to restoration work on it then I said yea probably,First you need to know the plans or how it was put together so you can get to parts to fix,Next cost,the price is lots,And lastly transportation which would take a while.
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Mr. Scalf, thank you for this video. I did a bit of research on the ownership of the right of way from Madrid to Waldo and found something that says that the ICC in 1960 approved the abandonment by Santa Fe of that right of way. It is only a slip from an ICC report but if true, then the right of way may be available. However, at the same sight, a description of the right of way said that it was in private hands. A search of the county records might reveal more. As for ANY interest by the BNSF, they are NOT in the business of seeing former engines come back to life. That is where the UP (and in the past the NS) shines(d). Finally, as this was one of the first of the Santa Fe locomotives to be build for a offshoot company by a firm that no longer exists, it's preservation is crucial if only to preserve a last remaining train from that manufacturing company. Thank you again for the video and I look forward to any updates.
Thank you for the information! I hope to go back to Madrid this summer and will post updates.
Tom, You have uncovered a hidden gem in the foothills of Madrid. Have been there before, but never knew of the train. I always associated Madrid with turquoise mines - not coal. Very interesting story.
Thank you, Paul!
I would love to see this engine restored and put into excursion service
Hopefully!
Thanks for sharing this little gem. It's a big restoration and I hope that will be done.
Thanks, Dom!
Sure hope it gets rebuilt, thanks enjoyed watching as always, great job. 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
I hope so too!
Madrid is where my great grandparents used get coal to heat their houses. I will love to see 769 back to steam.
That's very cool!
I can’t believe she said I was the biggest inspiration, and I’m glad you guys love 769 as much as I do!
You're a big inspiration, Andrew!
@@YardLimit I am proud to be part of this community
@@overpoweredsteamproduction513 The community is proud to have you!
*There are PLENTY of skilled crews and teams around who could restore that engine back to working condition... Could even be put on a special tired trailer and towed by truck to the nearest rail line and taken away to a shop for restoration. Other than the lady calling it a "train", I appreciated her vision and enthusiasm. Too many PPL would probably just want it cut up and sold for scrap...*
Interesting....it would be a interesting addition to the railine
Yes it would. Thanks, Adrian!
I am truly amazed at how in-tact she is even after all these years!
It's that great New Mexico air!
Awesome video 🚂👍hope the steam loco gets fix up & runs again
I hope so too
I think it's great that there are still people who are interested in this old technology and are trying to breathe new life into this locomotive.🚂💖💖😍
Very true! I hope it happens!
There’s alot more interest then most think 😉
@@DeathValleyLumberCompany It's nice that there's so much interest.
At 5:10, 3 rail track? Was there 3 foot narrow gauge there at one point, perhaps for mine equipment?
I don't think narrow gauge ran there so I assume it was for mine equipment.
I grew up along the roadbed that ran south of Madrid, and I really think 769 would be amazing if it were running to Waldo at least. Added bonus: it would provide some great filmmaking opportunities along the line.
I’ll certainly be sending some support towards 769.
It would be amazing and thanks for your support!
I saw a little borrow gauge loco in Portland a few years ago it was in very poor condition. Fast forward a couple of year we saw it at the 150 anniversary celebration and it was immaculate!
All it takes is someone's vision and a lot of money.
I've rang the bell of the locomotive once and go to Madrid quiet often I hope I get to see the locomotive run once more it would be a huge profit to Madrid
Yes it would!
769 nice...but yes this engine is pretty restorable
I hope the money can be raised to do this.
there is UA-cam channel called Friends of 769
That's Andrew's channel who is mentioned in the video.
@@YardLimit could put a link to his channel please
@@Brian_rock_railfan Done. I put it in the description.
@@YardLimit is there a way you could get this steam loco on the local tv news ?
@@Brian_rock_railfan I don't have control over the local news, however I did sent the link to the Assignment Editor for KOB.
What is the status of the locomotive as of this April 2023?
I don’t know. I’ll try to check on it this summer
This locomotive could definitely be restored given enough time and elbow grease. This locomotive is very interesting being that it was from the St. Louis Rocky Mountain & Pacific, a short line bought out by the Santa Fe.
Built in 1900 by the Richmond Locomotive Works, 769 is one of only a handful of non-Baldwin-built Santa Fe steamers still in existence. It began life as Santa Fe Pacific Railroad #266, the first of a group of 20 2-8-0's built for this A.T.&S.F. subsidiary (the SFP was formed to operate the former Atlantic & Pacific Railroad when the Santa Fe took possession of the latter in 1897). In 1902, the locomotive became A.T.&S.F. 3045, and some time later was renumbered to 769. The engine traded tenders at least once in its career, ending up with the tank from Santa Fe 4-6-2 #1227, which was scrapped in 1936.
While several members of the 769-class were cut down to lowly 0-8-0's in the Santa Fe's shops in the 1930's, class locomotive 769 suffered the possibly greater indignity of being sold off to the Albuquerque & Los Cerrillos Coal Company in 1950. Along with 2-8-0's 870 and 874, 769 was sent to work at the coal mine at Madrid, NM, located at the end of a branch extending south from the Santa Fe main at Waldo. The 769 was never renumbered nor relettered by the coal company, and spent its post-Santa Fe career in full A.T.&S.F. markings. When the mine shut down amid a declining coal market in 1959, Madrid became a ghost town. Locomotives 769 and 870 were abandoned on-site and left to rust. The 769 was mysteriously parked just outside the old 1-stall enginehouse, which could have afforded it some protection from the elements for the 20 years it sat neglected in Madrid.
What is the Santa Fe Southern?
Santa Fe Southern Railway from Santa Fe to Lamy, NM
ua-cam.com/video/QBU0BGv5gPg/v-deo.html
I have an antique Illinois Central railroad throttle pin off of Illinois Central railroad 4-8-2 mountain type no 2507
Cool!
Unless I'm mistaken, there is absolutely nothing in Waldo today.
You are not mistaken.
Perhaps they want to sell it.
Who knows?
@@YardLimit Simple answer, those that know how to restore RR steam locomotives.
IN ITS LAST DAYS MAY HAVE BEEN
PURCHASED BY THE MINE!
ALSO IT MAY HAVE BEEN USED AS A STATIONARY BOILER FOR THE MINE!
I HAVE AN SOURCE OF INFORMATION TO KNOW WHAT WAS DONE, AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THIS POST!!
KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!!
👍👍
Thanks! Looking forward to more information.
@@YardLimit ACCORDING TO MY BOOK BY FRED WORLY,
“ IRON HORSES OF THE SANTA FE TRAIL” IT WAS SOLD TO THE ALBEQUERQUE AND CERILLO COAL CO! 4-13-50.
WAS REBOILERED WITH BOILER
AT898.
CONVERTED TO 0-8-0 8-1934
REBOILERED WITH BOILER
529.
ALL THIS WORK DONE AT ALBEQUERQUE SHOPS!
I WILL ALSO CONTACT LORIE AT THE BAR!!
THE ENTIRE 769 CLASS HAS AN INTERESTING MECHANICAL HISTORY!
AS FOR MYSELF , I AM A RETIRED AT&SF MACHINIST THAT SERVED HIS TIME WITH JOURNEY MEN
WHO WERE QUITE FAMILIAR WITH STEAM!
KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!!
👍👍
@@rossbryan6102 Great info. Thanks!
@@YardLimit ROSS BRYAN HERE!
CONTACT LORI AT THE MINESHAFT AN TELL HER I HAVE ATTEMPTED TO CALL HER ABOUT 769.
I LEFT MY PHONE NUMBER WITH HER AND IF YOU CAN GET IT AND CALL ME PLEASE!!
I DID FIND THE LOCOMOTIVE PIX
AND MY FEELING ARE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC!!
ROSS BRYAN
KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!!
👍👍
#769
Needs a new boiler, I’m afraid the funding isn’t there for that. Also needs abatement
Interesting comment. I'm no expert on restoring locomotives but your statements are probably true. However, to say the funding isn't there makes no sense at all. Right now, the funding isn't there for anything.
Most likely she requires HAZMAT abatement, but the need for a new boiler is far from a forgone conclusion. Unless it is known for certain that the locomotive was taken out of service because the boiler was condemned, that determination can only be made by a detailed engineering survey, which can only be conducted after the boiler jacket is removed and abatement is concluded. Even so, the vast majority of steam locomotive restorations in the U.S. have been done by repairing the existing boiler. Replacing the entire boiler is relatively rare.
@@evanstauffer4470 Trains mag article on the locomotive already states that it needs a new boiler.
@@YardLimit What I meant by that is there isn’t enough funding from the owner nor is there enough interest to garner donations.
@@blackbirdgaming8147 how do you think that? theres millions of rail enthusiasts around the world. once they hear of her they will probably be interested
If you are willing to spend a LOT AND A LOT OF money to restoration work on it then I said yea probably,First you need to know the plans or how it was put together so you can get to parts to fix,Next cost,the price is lots,And lastly transportation which would take a while.
Me? lol
@@YardLimit u good man
I suppose anything can be restored with enough money.
Her sister ...the 735 is in Lindsburg , Kansas. It too needs a lot of work.
Interesting. At least it hasn't been scrapped.