The early Beatles (and other artists) from the UK were smart using the Vox amps with the flat wound stringed guitars. The combination of the darker guitar sound and bright chimey Vox sound were a match made in rock heaven.
There was little else available in the UK at the time as well as no “knowledge” of string types. You bought what was available. This was usually Black Diamond in the early sixties. All the UK bands used Vox as they were the best England had to offer. The Beatles did have a Vox deal.
I'm a major Beatles buff, and I don't recall them using any Telecasters prior to George's famous rosewood in 1968-1968. Early mods used consisted of a lot of Rickenbackers, Gretches, the Casinos, and George and John got matching blue Strats in 1965, one of which George painted and is the famous Rocky. Great video on the differences between flat and round strings, though. I've never played flats, and you've sparked an interest so that may need to change. Keep up the great work.
@@davidyelland908 a LOT of unique sounds people often attribute to whichever artist's "genius" ends up just being dumb luck and using what was available to them... not to take anything away from them, cause they did capture that sound, after all. i just think its funny how people are always like oh, how did you ever come up with that? you're a genius! and then, if they're honest, just whatever happened to be in the room.
I've used half round strings for a while now. You get the same benefits as flats, but they come in lighter lighter gauges and are easier to bend. I love them because they get rid of the string noise when sliding and they change the sound to something a little warmer.
I used to play them when I played bass. I think they called them ground wounds, as that's exactly how they make the outer flat. Felt great, and great tone. I'll have to try them on guitar. Might be great on a tele.
Yup - I've been using half rounds on my Jazzmaster and Jaguar and especially when you play the bridge pickup you really get the benefit of the extra warmth of the strings, they tame the harshness nicely and still sound bright.
Been playing flats for over a decade and I LOVE them. That thick ass thump attack, note bloom, and no squeaks. Heavier the better, and the low end is spectacular.
I recently put flat wounds on my semi hollow and tuned it to D standard and I love it. I don't play jazz or anything but it just feels and sounds cool.
@@tito.tarantula Yeah, I think it's kind of a necessity. I'm not sure if I used 11 or 12 now, but they're difinitely much thicker than I usualy play, which would be mostly 9.
I agree. I recently bought my luthier’s twenty two year old jet glow 360 off him, it had been his studio guitar for twenty years, and asked him to put my usual flat wounds on it when it came around to the first time to restring (with flats I usually find a set will last me about three months on each guitar). He described it as ‘transformational’ and was kicking himself that he never tried it. Through my boutique ‘57 Tweed knock off… No pedals required.
I love the feel of flats. I had them on a gretsch and it sounded really nice and not just for jazz. I use them on electric bass as well. Sounds fantastic!
Agreed. I've played with flats, and they do feel better and give you a nice kind of glide as you move up and down the neck. The problem I have is that I just don't like how they sound :(
Rhett.. your video changed my life. 35+ years of playing guitar... Thousands of dollars spent on guitars, amps, pedals... None of that compared to this. I feel so elated to know this now and equally so intensely upset that I went my whole life missing out on these! $20 on a set of XL chromes 10-48s popped them on my strat and absolutely everything about it is far superior. The feel, the overall tone, and the sound. The warmth, the tight bass, the bright but not harsh treble, and the somehow more accurate tuning to each note. But the biggest value was, my playing sounds so much tighter and cleaner without all the added string noise. My whole life spent looking for that one thing that would make me sound legendary/professional, better than my abilities, and this was it. it was right here. I never would have thought that strings could be completely transformative. I am absolutely shocked, and will be forever in your debt.
@OilmanCTtraight up 100% man. I will never go back to shitty round wounds and that string noise. Absolute garbage. This is the real deal. If you can't hear the difference maybe your ears suck 😲🤣
I use flatwounds exclusively on all my guitars and basses. It has always been because of the feel, but the fact that my Jackson soloist with a Floyd rose has them on definitely gives it a unique sound you just don't hear elsewhere.
My favorite use of flatwounds is putting them on a 12 string; the flats have less upper harmonic content, which is great on a 12 string, because the octave strings are already providing tons of upper harmonic content. Roundwounds on a 12 make the strings kind of compete with each other, whereas the flats give you a more cohesive sound to my ears.
I'm a bass player that uses flats and most of the guitarists I play with use them too, They're SORELY underrated nowadays, on top of having a great jazz sound they're fantastic for getting clean recordings, and getting drive sounds that boost the treble without also boosting a load of fingernoise. Most people just associate them with 60's thump sounds but there's so much more to them than that, especially nowadays with the much more modern sounding flats you can get. Most guitarists I know use the Thomastik-Infeld flats, they seem to be the best of both worlds in terms of having brightness close to rounds but low fingernoise. Thomasiks Jazz used to be the best option for bright, clear sounding bass flats too and are still up there with the best but nowadays there's also Rotosound Monels and Ernie Ball Cobalt flats (which are the best ones IMO), I use the Cobalts on my bass and they're great in the studio, take drive really well and bring out the sound of a fretless quite well, I'm never going back haha
i like how there’s a clear separation between the low strings and the unwound/high end end strings, very good strings do more finger style playing and smoother 60’s style playing
Everyone needs a guitar with flatwounds in their arsenal, the sound is essential. I have a 1959 Harmony Meteor and a couple of lap steel/slide guitars with flat wounds and I use them often.
Kenny Vaughan turned me on to flats on Teles, and Madison Cunningham combining them with lowered tunings helped take my tone to another plane..thanks for sharing the good word on flats.
For me ever since I was a kid Luther Perkins and has always been my favorite guitarist and I was always trying to get that same tone like you hear when I Walk the Line the Sun records 55 version and I finally was able to get that tone
10/10 for having a quick comparison demo at the very start of the video. Way too many people will bury it in the video and this immediately grabbed me and gave me what I was looking for. Subbed immediately 👍
"You ever been in a guitar shop, and seen the flatwound guitar strings are for? What do they sound like, compared to rounds? Why would you buy those and put them on your Strat, or Tele or...whatever? Well, I bought a set, put them on my guitar, and recorded a comparison just for you- BUT FIRST... "...in 1993, I was just a young boy of six years old. I hadn't even picked up a guitar yet, let alone should any interest in music. But I remember, I was out with my Uncle Gordon. Now, Uncle Gordon was a former R&D engineer at a cheese grater factory in my home of Scrotal Falls, Pennsylvania, which had sadly just shut down as American Allied Cheese Graters wound down domestic production in 1993 and moved it off shore. I still remember him bringing around all the new cheese grater designs for my mom - his sister - to use, and I think she appreciated that, even though everyone in our family was lactose intolerant and never any dairy, because our house only had one toilet. But I remember him bringing back all these models, some half-finished, some with the tool marks still on them, and, dutifully, we'd go out and get a block of gouda - for some reason, gouda upset our tracts least of all - and seeing how it shredded. Or didn't, in many of the cases. We had piles and piles of the stuff, and what we used to down was give most of it away to our neighbour, Old Jim. He wasn't that old, or even called Jim, but that's what we called him. I don't think he minded. "Now, you may be wondering what this has to do with flatwound guitar strings..."
Well thanks Rhett! I started using these on my guitars and bass a few years ago after I had a hunch that it would counteract a particularly bright guitar, and it worked wonderfully. I was chuffed with my little secret. Now everyone will be doing it. THANKS RRHETT!
i switched to flats on my tele, strat, and danelectro U2 about 2 years ago. dropped from 10's to 9's to make the bends a bit easier. couldn't be happier. your video really tells the story. very well done.
@@McDoinky i know that he used flarwounds on most of their recordings, that is why i said BASSES, but i dont believe that during the get back sessions, the hofner had roundwound strings
Khruangbin’s guitarist Mark Speer uses flat wound strings exclusively! You are also conjuring some sweet tones with them. I like them on bass, now I gotta try it on one of my guitars some day.
One thing I enjoyed about studying Jazz in High School and College was buying one set of flats that lasted all semester and never had to worry about them breaking or losing tone.
I don't know if this is related, but I really like the fact that you play stuff that highlights the things you want to show. I first noticed in videos where you showed the Strymon Volante or the DS-1, but in this video I can hear clearly what properties you're trying to communicate about the strings. Keep doing you, Rhett, you're one of my favorite guitar channels in this site.
I have flats on all my guitars. I buy a set of 13-56 put away the 6th string and use the rest as 2 to 6th. then i add a 9 as first string and get a set of 9-45 flats without a wounded G string. Sounds amazing and last forever
I have a guitar that had a problem with the truss-rod, and needed more tension on the neck. I switched from 10 to 11 roundwounds, and liked it well enough. People worry about not being able to bend heavier strings, but fact is heavier strings require less excursion to cause the same change in pitch (try it: push your G-string over to where your D-string is, then push your B-string over to your G-string. Same amount of bend = greater increase in pitch for the heavier string.) I was working in a guitar shop, and a customer requested a setup with flatwound 12's. Okay, it's your dime, buddy! When I got it done, it was awesome. It was so awesome, I bought a set of flatwound 12's for my guitar and haven't looked back. It was just the increase in tension needed to solve the truss rod problem too.
Great info thanks. I put these flats on my Fender MIM Strat which took the country twang out of it, which is what I was really looking for. Also so much of a softer feel and no more string squeak when changing chord positions.
It also needs to be mentioned that different brands of flatwound strings sound quite different from eachother. For example D'addario Chromes are rather bright while Labella Jazz Flats are much mellower with more of a low mid thump.
Thanks for the video! Flats last longer but sound also better with time. Roundwounds may not last as much but also sound good rather early on, then slowly fade away. The mellowness of flats improves as the rounds' brightness dies. Of course depending on the preference of the player, bright new flats or dead old rounds may be delightful.
Leslie West used La Bella Flat Wound strings on his Les Paul Juniors~on all the Mountain LP's, into West, Bruce & Laing. Thanks for the informative video. *R.i.P. Leslie West.
My buddy's Grandpa gave me and him a whole box full of vintage Black diamond strings from his time I have em on one of my guitars for being almost nearly 80 years old they sound fresh and great but on my main guitar a homemade electric guitar that me and my grandpa built completely from scratch I use la Bella jazz flats 9 gauge flatwound strings I take a wound third from another la Bella flatwound pack and use it with the 9s and for the two high strings I use 8s so I can bend easily
I love playing jazz, slide, and rhythm guitar with flats. It’s a nice texture to a recording when layering 2-3 different guitars. Flat wounds were made before rounds. So this is truly a vintage sound.
Thanks for the video Rhett! I feel like more people need to learn about flat wound strings, they're great if you're after that vintage feel and tone. Pure nickel strings would be worth looking into as well!
Just put my first set of flats on a kit build I’m working on. Hollowbody with bigsby style trem. I hadn’t really played it much with the cheap rounds that came with it but went with higher gauge flats in hopes that it would pull the trem arm down a bit further. There wasn’t as much punch as I was expecting so I found your video. Everything is making better sense now. Thanks!
As a bass player as well, I always have a bass with flats. But, I never tried flats on a guitar until I got a Godin xtSA. Several users commented the acoustic piezo tones were best with flats, so tried a set. LOVE flats! I only use them on that guitar but just love how it adds a different voice to that specific guitar.
I use Daddario 9-11-15-22w-30w-42w sets on all of my strats, I like my tone darkish jazzy, my "secret" is the Dunlop 65 String Conditioner: I use it starting with new strings after playing: darkens the tone a little while making it consistent: strings can last FOREVER treated right!!! Wonderful liquid: works well for fret cleaning as well!!
Great work as always man. Understanding the diversity in how you can modify a guitar makes the world of a difference. GIves motivation towards playing something that can be considered new.
I play Thomastik Jazz Flats on my Fender Precision. It has an ashtray bridge cover and I put a piece of a kitchen sponge in there. I cut it to size and also cut four slits into it to go over the strings. I plug it into a 1993 or so Ampeg B-1 combo with two NOS 1950s black plate RCA 5751. It gives me that clean, woody, warm, and thumpy sound I want for my Honky Tonk / Western Swing band. I have much more complicated setups for my Rock bands with rack gear and effects and MIDI switching and whatnot and also a digital modelling amp which are all fun to play, but the simple setup above is what I truly love and what sounds the most musical to my ears.
Came to Flatwounds after watching Rig Rundown with Jimmie Vaughan. Decided on D’Addario Chromes, hybrid gauge. (Kinda 50/50 10 and 11 gauge) 10-13-17(plain)-28-38-48 (flatwound) Round wound strings just sound too squeaky and noisy for my ears and playing style. If you want that old skool blues, jazz, country, early rock n roll tone it’s the way to go in my opinion. Worth a try.
Flatwounds were the standard for all the early years of electric guitar. I enjoy using them on brighter guitars, I think it adds a nice richness to them
Rhett, great video. I used Black Diamond flats exclusively until the mid-60’s when I swapped guitars with another lead player and realized I was working too hard. I play D’Addario NYXL .008’s now and don’t have to work at all.
I have a set of Thomastik-Infeld Jazz Swing Flats 13-53 on my highly modified Epiphone Broadway jazz box. The guitar is modified for Rockabilly with Seymour Duncan Staple p90's and other mods. The combination of the strings, pickups and my Fender Excelsior Pro with a 15" Eminence Legend 1518 speaker is just amazing. Such clarity between the notes, easy on the fingers and they last a very long time.
D'Addario Chromes Extra Light (10 gauge) flatwounds on my American Standard Tele, won't ever go back. I like the warmer, mellow tone and feel and lack of string noise when sliding.
I run flats on my Ric 660-12, from "Pick of the Ric's". Never tried rounds on it. I also play a acoustic 12 which I run round wound Elixer lights. The ric plays really smooth. Back in the day when I played hour long sets flats were much easier to play as they were easier on the fingers. Amazing difference in the sound for sure. Flats are not just for jazz players anymore.
Flats seem to be guitar specific in my experience, but the smooth feel is really nice. The Tomasitk-Infeld Jazz Flats are worth a look, pricey but last a long time.
My first guitar, a Silvertone in 1965, came with flat wound strings. I can't say I ever knew (for quite a while) that round wound were for anything but acoustic. It still has flat wound on it (and yes, I still have it). The only one I have that does, but I always loved playing with them.
I love silver tone stuff I have believe it or not a 1940s Sears silvertone 1300 that was given to me by my friend's grandfather he knew how much Luther Perkins is my favorite guitarist
I LOVE Flatwounds! I put them on all of my guitars. Les Pauls, RRV & Flying V, Strats of all types (vintage to modern and vintage SuperStrats) and Teles. I play Rock, Blues & Metal. I use D'Addario's XL Chrome Flatwound 10s on the 24.75 scaled guitars and a set of 10s with the high 3 strings swapped for coated plain strings to make it a Flatwound 9s, for use on 25.5" scales. D'Addario unfortunately don't make Flatwound 9s. D'Addario need make a 9s set.
I use flats on my Epiphone Viola bass. It’s a short scale bass so I feel like the flats help add back in some lows, and they really help in those low mids to make the bass cut through more. Plus they are so much more comfortable that the round wounds on my Jazz bass.
Went to flat wounds on my Casino and Starfire over a year ago. Glad I did. Comfortable and they don’t make that horrible scraping noise while you play.
I played flat wounds for many years in the early 70's and 80's. I used Gibson strings. Funny story, Gibson sold the same string/part number with red and orange thread on the winding next to the ball end. I liked the ones with the 'red' thread better than the 'orange'. Once a month I would go to my dealer and paw through the string box to get all the ones/sets with 'red' thread. Some 'sets' had orange and red mixed! I still got all the red ones! LOL If they saw me coming they would hide them, so I had to sneak in the back door! LOL Those flats would last 4-6 gigs, about 2 weeks then. They were ~25% more expensive than rounds. I used them on a Gibson ES325, like a 335 with no binding and mini h-bucker pups. I loved it!! Peace --gary
Great video! This opened my eyes... and answers a question I've had about the Beatles sound which I love...am definitely going to be trying these...I dig the sound!
Just put flats on my SG… took a 13 set, ditched the low E and shifted everything up the old way with a .010 on top. I can still bend and everything… and the harmonic richness and ease of sliding around the neck feels amazing. I can run a really treble-heavy distortion (i.e. a Rat) and still get great rock tone.
I bought a set of flat wounds a few years ago because that’s all the store had in 12s … I built a guitar exclusively for slide and want heavier gauges. I’ve exclusively used them since for my slide guitars … love them!
Flats on a bass is where it's at! So smooth and less slide noise. Nice and fat low end. I put some on my strat just to see and I dont feel as much difference in the playing but probably notice less noise with a slide.
Magma makes super ground wounds (they're called flat strings) which take the ground wound design to a new level in that the wrap wire is flattened the whole way.
i havent watched one of your videos in a few years and it feels like seeing an old friend. I know its just a random ass video, but it got me kinda in my feels lol
I have an old Yamaha SA-30T (1967), I've tested several string gauges and types with it. It definitely sounds the best with Thomastik 11-47 flats. Unbelievably good tone.
i generally prefer the brighter sound of rounds, but the feel and playability are such a night and day thing that i'm *more* than willing to accept the flatwound tone, which is good in its own way
Hey Rett thanks for doing what you do then watching you. I don’t know better part of two years now and I feel like I learned a lot from you. I’m at 68 going on €69 frustrated guitar player but you have a lot of insight on the way things work and glad you’re passing it on to all of us, oh yeah PS my amp just died. If you know anybody who has a low very low budget and they wanna sell let me know John P.
Wound G, whether it’s flat or not, is the right set for an archtop, according to many Luthier’s. Flats are amazing for everything. I recently had them on my fretless Fender Jazz and swapped to roundwounds (ignoring what I know that does to the neck) because the modern sound is nice. If I had two J-basses I’d probably have both sets but all my guitars are still flats except for my acoustic. I can still play rock and country on the back pickup if I want, but Sundays flats sound really nice for gospel / neo-soul at church, or corporate gigs, records, where being really quiet in execution is helpful. Not having roundwound string noise feels to me like it goes hand in hand with eliminating pops and clicks in our technique that need to be omitted, instead of just deleting in print. Fat strings raised up high enough to avoid any fret noise sound good. Luthiers don’t really like the Martin Standard because it’s too low and chokes out the string from fret buzz. Usually raising the action a little helps with that. Either adding some relief to the neck or raising the bridge… all of that is going to change if you throw a set of these on.
Love the variety when I play my guitar that's usually strung with flat-wounds. I have them on a Reverend Manta Ray 390 and it's a richer and darker feel overall. So great for so many styles. I have round-wounds on my Tele so plenty of room for bigger bends and obviously a different sound and feel overall with that one.
Yeah man, I dig flats. Esp on a tele guitar as it tames the twang a little and balances things nicely. Of course it’s cool on a jazz guitar but useful on many other guitars. Feel great to play too
Actually Flatwound strings go back as early as 1874 by a guy named Hamilton. They were originally designed to replace the Gut strings on bowed stringed instruments because 1) they last longer, 2) they hold tune better, & 3) the flat surface increases the contact area w/ the bow for a quicker response.
Glad to see flats getting some love, I've been playing flats for almost a year now, Never gone back! I put some 13 gauge Labella flats on my Casino, absolutely loving it! I bought a cheap mustang copy and put 15-56 gauge Labella flatwounds on it, and they feel GREAT for rhythm parts, bending?... not so much...
Flat wounds were the order of the day in 60's rock. Dylan, Beatles and nobodies like me used 'em. I musta gone through hundreds of Gretsch Electromatic 10 sets. Talk about noiseless- they were the thing.
I have 2 guitars that always have flats on them. I also keep flats on all my basses but one and I’ve found that they just make the perfect sound for me.
I've been playing for 27 years. I just now bought some flat wounds a few months back. Need to string it up and test them out. I also got some tape wounds for my bass im excited to give a go. Tapes sound awesome on a bass, but I've yet to try them myself.
I have to try this. You may have just changed my guitar playing. I play flat wound strings on my bass but never even considered looking for flat wounds for my guitar. Based on your description my main issues with round wound strings and how I play guitar are all not issues with round wound strings.
I started out playing hard rock on an Ibanez, but over the years I transitioned to jazz on a partscaster/Telecaster. Once I switched to flats on my beloved Franken-Tele, I never looked back. They feel *unbelievable* under the fingers! Because of that thicker core, I presume, the note produces a pronounced fundamental and reduced overtones compared to rounds, which is why I think they have less of that “shimmer” on top. An unexpected benefit is that I found that they work really well with distortion and especially fuzz! Because of the reduction in overtones, the notes sound more defined and less muddy than they would on roundwounds. Anything from vintage psychedelic rock to that Holdsworth-esque fusion tone. Hell, even doom metal rhythm sounds even darker and heavier with flats! However, the one caveat I have is that they are bullshit for playing blues. Yes, the woody tone is like butter on your eardrums, but bending is more or less out of the question, unless you use semi-flats or you have a grip like Thanos. However, don’t let that discourage you from getting a set and playing! Especially rhythm in almost any genre but funk is just improved, in my opinion.
What a great video. Beatles, using flat rounds is news to me. When I bought a Gretsch 6119 I put flat wounds on it after using round wounds that it came with. That’s when I got the Gretsch sound I was looking for. 👍🏻
Flats are aight
@Twan Theunisz I second this,
(Edit): We got it pinned, we did it Reddit!
Best comment on the topic
Such a British comment
@@twantheunisz9281 let’s boost the shit out of this
@@callejarvholm yeaaah let's go bro!
The early Beatles (and other artists) from the UK were smart using the Vox amps with the flat wound stringed guitars. The combination of the darker guitar sound and bright chimey Vox sound were a match made in rock heaven.
There was little else available in the UK at the time as well as no “knowledge” of string types. You bought what was available. This was usually Black Diamond in the early sixties.
All the UK bands used Vox as they were the best England had to offer. The Beatles did have a Vox deal.
I'm a major Beatles buff, and I don't recall them using any Telecasters prior to George's famous rosewood in 1968-1968. Early mods used consisted of a lot of Rickenbackers, Gretches, the Casinos, and George and John got matching blue Strats in 1965, one of which George painted and is the famous Rocky. Great video on the differences between flat and round strings, though. I've never played flats, and you've sparked an interest so that may need to change. Keep up the great work.
Loved Brian Jones' teardrop Vox 6 string.
they used what was available at the time , Back then there weren't that many companies or a lot of options, Like now days.
@@davidyelland908 a LOT of unique sounds people often attribute to whichever artist's "genius" ends up just being dumb luck and using what was available to them... not to take anything away from them, cause they did capture that sound, after all. i just think its funny how people are always like oh, how did you ever come up with that? you're a genius! and then, if they're honest, just whatever happened to be in the room.
I've used half round strings for a while now. You get the same benefits as flats, but they come in lighter lighter gauges and are easier to bend. I love them because they get rid of the string noise when sliding and they change the sound to something a little warmer.
Same! I feel like they really last too! Halfround 11s on my jag is proving to be a great combo!
I used to play them when I played bass. I think they called them ground wounds, as that's exactly how they make the outer flat. Felt great, and great tone. I'll have to try them on guitar. Might be great on a tele.
Absolutely.
I've had a set on my electric for about two or three years;I can't remember. Once you get used to em and their warmth, hard to get away from em.
Yup - I've been using half rounds on my Jazzmaster and Jaguar and especially when you play the bridge pickup you really get the benefit of the extra warmth of the strings, they tame the harshness nicely and still sound bright.
Been playing flats for over a decade and I LOVE them. That thick ass thump attack, note bloom, and no squeaks. Heavier the better, and the low end is spectacular.
I recently put flat wounds on my semi hollow and tuned it to D standard and I love it. I don't play jazz or anything but it just feels and sounds cool.
Tbf d standard on most strings feels awesome
Thanks for the tip, I definitely plan on trying it out. Did you happen to increase the string gauge when tuning down to D standard?
@@tito.tarantula Yeah, I think it's kind of a necessity. I'm not sure if I used 11 or 12 now, but they're difinitely much thicker than I usualy play, which would be mostly 9.
I've been using flat wound strings for years, both guitar and bass. I love the sound and, perhaps even more important to me, the feel.
Same here I personally don't like rounds ever since I was 7 when I first started playing I'm 20 now turning 21 soon
Flat wound strings paired with Rickenbacker guitars and played through American voiced amps = heaven.
I agree. I recently bought my luthier’s twenty two year old jet glow 360 off him, it had been his studio guitar for twenty years, and asked him to put my usual flat wounds on it when it came around to the first time to restring (with flats I usually find a set will last me about three months on each guitar). He described it as ‘transformational’ and was kicking himself that he never tried it. Through my boutique ‘57 Tweed knock off… No pedals required.
@@francispower1418 the 22 years old is really strange referring to a ric when that means it’s still just from 2001
@@Viper-dz2kw We’re all slapping on mate! I think I’m past vintage and bordering on ‘antique’ myself!
What flats do you recommend. I got a gretsch with p90’s and a PRS conzeca so I’m trying figure which ones to get that are still easy to bend
That's the Beatles sound dawggg😊
I love the feel of flats. I had them on a gretsch and it sounded really nice and not just for jazz. I use them on electric bass as well. Sounds fantastic!
Agreed. I've played with flats, and they do feel better and give you a nice kind of glide as you move up and down the neck. The problem I have is that I just don't like how they sound :(
@@TundraMaster It's definitely a specific sound. It does work in some contexts but often needs an eq tweak on the amp
In my country it’s so hard to find flat wounds for bass. They’re also super expensive when u do find them
Yeh, I have flats on my Tenny (with HiLoTrons) - really happy with the sound and feel.
Rhett.. your video changed my life. 35+ years of playing guitar... Thousands of dollars spent on guitars, amps, pedals... None of that compared to this. I feel so elated to know this now and equally so intensely upset that I went my whole life missing out on these! $20 on a set of XL chromes 10-48s popped them on my strat and absolutely everything about it is far superior. The feel, the overall tone, and the sound. The warmth, the tight bass, the bright but not harsh treble, and the somehow more accurate tuning to each note. But the biggest value was, my playing sounds so much tighter and cleaner without all the added string noise. My whole life spent looking for that one thing that would make me sound legendary/professional, better than my abilities, and this was it. it was right here. I never would have thought that strings could be completely transformative. I am absolutely shocked, and will be forever in your debt.
@OilmanCTtraight up 100% man. I will never go back to shitty round wounds and that string noise. Absolute garbage. This is the real deal. If you can't hear the difference maybe your ears suck 😲🤣
@@infn8loopmusic
35 years of playing? And you just figured it out? Lmao. I been using flats since 19 and 43 wasn't that hard to figure out.
I use flatwounds exclusively on all my guitars and basses. It has always been because of the feel, but the fact that my Jackson soloist with a Floyd rose has them on definitely gives it a unique sound you just don't hear elsewhere.
My favorite use of flatwounds is putting them on a 12 string; the flats have less upper harmonic content, which is great on a 12 string, because the octave strings are already providing tons of upper harmonic content. Roundwounds on a 12 make the strings kind of compete with each other, whereas the flats give you a more cohesive sound to my ears.
We talkin acoustic or electric
Electric
@@OldManStoli silly qkestion. cool.. i should probably think harder on having one as well, glad u mentioned it!
@@chinmeysway I play flats on both my 335/12 and Gibson acoustic 12str
Good call. Take some of the bright edge off.
This is one of the few videos I’ve come across where one can clearly hear the difference. Good job.
I’ve had flat wounds on Strats now for maybe a year now and I’m never going back
I've been playing since I was 7 I remember when I discovered flatwounds I was 8 years old I'm 20 now soon to be 21 I've never gone back to rounds
I'm a bass player that uses flats and most of the guitarists I play with use them too, They're SORELY underrated nowadays, on top of having a great jazz sound they're fantastic for getting clean recordings, and getting drive sounds that boost the treble without also boosting a load of fingernoise. Most people just associate them with 60's thump sounds but there's so much more to them than that, especially nowadays with the much more modern sounding flats you can get.
Most guitarists I know use the Thomastik-Infeld flats, they seem to be the best of both worlds in terms of having brightness close to rounds but low fingernoise. Thomasiks Jazz used to be the best option for bright, clear sounding bass flats too and are still up there with the best but nowadays there's also Rotosound Monels and Ernie Ball Cobalt flats (which are the best ones IMO), I use the Cobalts on my bass and they're great in the studio, take drive really well and bring out the sound of a fretless quite well, I'm never going back haha
i like how there’s a clear separation between the low strings and the unwound/high end end strings, very good strings do more finger style playing and smoother 60’s style playing
Great demo / comparison. I've been using flat wounds since the 70's. Love the feel and the sound.
GOOD COMPARISON!!... THANKS FOR YOUR TEACHINGS!!!.... Greetings from Argentina!
Everyone needs a guitar with flatwounds in their arsenal, the sound is essential. I have a 1959 Harmony Meteor and a couple of lap steel/slide guitars with flat wounds and I use them often.
Kenny Vaughan turned me on to flats on Teles, and Madison Cunningham combining them with lowered tunings helped take my tone to another plane..thanks for sharing the good word on flats.
For me ever since I was a kid Luther Perkins and has always been my favorite guitarist and I was always trying to get that same tone like you hear when I Walk the Line the Sun records 55 version and I finally was able to get that tone
My bass player friend recommended me flats and I thought he was just waffling, but after watching you break it down I really should give them a go!
10/10 for having a quick comparison demo at the very start of the video. Way too many people will bury it in the video and this immediately grabbed me and gave me what I was looking for. Subbed immediately 👍
same!!! excellent video!
"You ever been in a guitar shop, and seen the flatwound guitar strings are for? What do they sound like, compared to rounds? Why would you buy those and put them on your Strat, or Tele or...whatever? Well, I bought a set, put them on my guitar, and recorded a comparison just for you- BUT FIRST...
"...in 1993, I was just a young boy of six years old. I hadn't even picked up a guitar yet, let alone should any interest in music. But I remember, I was out with my Uncle Gordon. Now, Uncle Gordon was a former R&D engineer at a cheese grater factory in my home of Scrotal Falls, Pennsylvania, which had sadly just shut down as American Allied Cheese Graters wound down domestic production in 1993 and moved it off shore. I still remember him bringing around all the new cheese grater designs for my mom - his sister - to use, and I think she appreciated that, even though everyone in our family was lactose intolerant and never any dairy, because our house only had one toilet. But I remember him bringing back all these models, some half-finished, some with the tool marks still on them, and, dutifully, we'd go out and get a block of gouda - for some reason, gouda upset our tracts least of all - and seeing how it shredded. Or didn't, in many of the cases. We had piles and piles of the stuff, and what we used to down was give most of it away to our neighbour, Old Jim. He wasn't that old, or even called Jim, but that's what we called him. I don't think he minded.
"Now, you may be wondering what this has to do with flatwound guitar strings..."
Well thanks Rhett! I started using these on my guitars and bass a few years ago after I had a hunch that it would counteract a particularly bright guitar, and it worked wonderfully. I was chuffed with my little secret. Now everyone will be doing it. THANKS RRHETT!
i switched to flats on my tele, strat, and danelectro U2 about 2 years ago. dropped from 10's to 9's to make the bends a bit easier. couldn't be happier. your video really tells the story. very well done.
mccartney used flats on his basses, and flats on a rickenbacker 4001s is so magical, the pepper tone
That’s most of the Beatles’ recordings actually.
Let It Be is the Höfner with tapewounds
@@McDoinky i know that he used flarwounds on most of their recordings, that is why i said BASSES, but i dont believe that during the get back sessions, the hofner had roundwound strings
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The Hofner had Rotosound tapes. Black strings with yellow silk ends.
And I meant he used the Ricky on most of their recordings.
@@McDoinky gotcha, well we know mccartney used both hofners during get back, so im guessing you mean the 63 500/1
Khruangbin’s guitarist Mark Speer uses flat wound strings exclusively! You are also conjuring some sweet tones with them. I like them on bass, now I gotta try it on one of my guitars some day.
One thing I enjoyed about studying Jazz in High School and College was buying one set of flats that lasted all semester and never had to worry about them breaking or losing tone.
I don't know if this is related, but I really like the fact that you play stuff that highlights the things you want to show. I first noticed in videos where you showed the Strymon Volante or the DS-1, but in this video I can hear clearly what properties you're trying to communicate about the strings.
Keep doing you, Rhett, you're one of my favorite guitar channels in this site.
Why in the world have I never tried these before. Thanks Rhett
This!!!
I have flats on all my guitars. I buy a set of 13-56 put away the 6th string and use the rest as 2 to 6th. then i add a 9 as first string and get a set of 9-45 flats without a wounded G string. Sounds amazing and last forever
That sounds like a really good hack. I will try that one on my strat.
That's exactly what Mark Speer from Khruangbin does
what kind of 9 high string do you use?
roundwounds sound so much better. thank god for progress
If by "better" your mean harsher, tinnier, and more brittle, then sure... to each their own....
You have fun with your string noise and fret buzzing
thanks!@@southernpride2003
I agree, I hate how dark flatwounds are but that sound is still useful for certain preposes
Less damage to your frets too with flats. I have noticed an obvious difference between my bass with rounds versus bass with flats.
I LOVE flat wounds! I put XL Chromes on everything.
I have a guitar that had a problem with the truss-rod, and needed more tension on the neck. I switched from 10 to 11 roundwounds, and liked it well enough. People worry about not being able to bend heavier strings, but fact is heavier strings require less excursion to cause the same change in pitch (try it: push your G-string over to where your D-string is, then push your B-string over to your G-string. Same amount of bend = greater increase in pitch for the heavier string.) I was working in a guitar shop, and a customer requested a setup with flatwound 12's. Okay, it's your dime, buddy! When I got it done, it was awesome. It was so awesome, I bought a set of flatwound 12's for my guitar and haven't looked back. It was just the increase in tension needed to solve the truss rod problem too.
Great info thanks. I put these flats on my Fender MIM Strat which took the country twang out of it, which is what I was really looking for. Also so much of a softer feel and no more string squeak when changing chord positions.
It also needs to be mentioned that different brands of flatwound strings sound quite different from eachother. For example D'addario Chromes are rather bright while Labella Jazz Flats are much mellower with more of a low mid thump.
This is a great companion video to Paul David's recent string test vid! Cool stuff!
I truly appreciate your contribution to the guitar society. Straight to the point with excellent audio examples.
Your videography has gotten so amazing, such great content informative and very pleasing to watch. Keep up the great work!
Drop B with flats for blues sound amazing.
Thanks for the video! Flats last longer but sound also better with time. Roundwounds may not last as much but also sound good rather early on, then slowly fade away. The mellowness of flats improves as the rounds' brightness dies. Of course depending on the preference of the player, bright new flats or dead old rounds may be delightful.
Leslie West used La Bella Flat Wound strings on his Les Paul Juniors~on all the Mountain LP's, into West, Bruce & Laing. Thanks for the informative video. *R.i.P. Leslie West.
When i was first learning we only used black diamond flat wound mediums
My buddy's Grandpa gave me and him a whole box full of vintage Black diamond strings from his time I have em on one of my guitars for being almost nearly 80 years old they sound fresh and great but on my main guitar a homemade electric guitar that me and my grandpa built completely from scratch I use la Bella jazz flats 9 gauge flatwound strings I take a wound third from another la Bella flatwound pack and use it with the 9s and for the two high strings I use 8s so I can bend easily
That clean ethereal sound is great! I like hearing Rhett play that genre, sounds fresh!
If you love the flats, you've GOT TO try Thomastik Infeld Jazz Swings. Flatwound sound and feel but with nice punch and warmth. $30 yes, but worth it.
Agreed. I use their .009s, they eliminate finger fatigue, have zero friction and last for months.
I love playing jazz, slide, and rhythm guitar with flats. It’s a nice texture to a recording when layering 2-3 different guitars. Flat wounds were made before rounds. So this is truly a vintage sound.
Actually round wound strings came first in 1659, flat wounds weren't invented until 1874, which replaced the gut strings on bowed instruments.
@@agriff4795 I’m talking metal. Duh gut strings came first
@@Haku_records those were made of metal in 1659.
@@agriff4795 bruh these are not the same thing lol 😂
Thanks for the video Rhett! I feel like more people need to learn about flat wound strings, they're great if you're after that vintage feel and tone. Pure nickel strings would be worth looking into as well!
The flat wound strings seem to be more resonant than the traditional round wound guitar strings. I love the tone they produce. It's definitely richer.
Just put my first set of flats on a kit build I’m working on. Hollowbody with bigsby style trem. I hadn’t really played it much with the cheap rounds that came with it but went with higher gauge flats in hopes that it would pull the trem arm down a bit further. There wasn’t as much punch as I was expecting so I found your video. Everything is making better sense now. Thanks!
As a bass player as well, I always have a bass with flats. But, I never tried flats on a guitar until I got a Godin xtSA. Several users commented the acoustic piezo tones were best with flats, so tried a set. LOVE flats! I only use them on that guitar but just love how it adds a different voice to that specific guitar.
Rhett's playing is out of this world. really advanced
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I use Daddario 9-11-15-22w-30w-42w sets on all of my strats, I like my tone darkish jazzy, my "secret" is the Dunlop 65 String Conditioner: I use it starting with new strings after playing: darkens the tone a little while making it consistent: strings can last FOREVER treated right!!! Wonderful liquid: works well for fret cleaning as well!!
Great work as always man. Understanding the diversity in how you can modify a guitar makes the world of a difference. GIves motivation towards playing something that can be considered new.
I play Thomastik Jazz Flats on my Fender Precision. It has an ashtray bridge cover and I put a piece of a kitchen sponge in there. I cut it to size and also cut four slits into it to go over the strings. I plug it into a 1993 or so Ampeg B-1 combo with two NOS 1950s black plate RCA 5751. It gives me that clean, woody, warm, and thumpy sound I want for my Honky Tonk / Western Swing band. I have much more complicated setups for my Rock bands with rack gear and effects and MIDI switching and whatnot and also a digital modelling amp which are all fun to play, but the simple setup above is what I truly love and what sounds the most musical to my ears.
Flats really really shine on short scale Fenders; Jaguars namely.
I love flat wounds. I play 11’s on my Tele.
Came to Flatwounds after watching Rig Rundown with Jimmie Vaughan. Decided on D’Addario Chromes, hybrid gauge. (Kinda 50/50 10 and 11 gauge)
10-13-17(plain)-28-38-48 (flatwound)
Round wound strings just sound too squeaky and noisy for my ears and playing style. If you want that old skool blues, jazz, country, early rock n roll tone it’s the way to go in my opinion. Worth a try.
Flatwounds were the standard for all the early years of electric guitar. I enjoy using them on brighter guitars, I think it adds a nice richness to them
Rhett, great video. I used Black Diamond flats exclusively until the mid-60’s when I swapped guitars with another lead player and realized I was working too hard. I play D’Addario NYXL .008’s now and don’t have to work at all.
I have a set of Thomastik-Infeld Jazz Swing Flats 13-53 on my highly modified Epiphone Broadway jazz box. The guitar is modified for Rockabilly with Seymour Duncan Staple p90's and other mods. The combination of the strings, pickups and my Fender Excelsior Pro with a 15" Eminence Legend 1518 speaker is just amazing. Such clarity between the notes, easy on the fingers and they last a very long time.
D'Addario Chromes Extra Light (10 gauge) flatwounds on my American Standard Tele, won't ever go back. I like the warmer, mellow tone and feel and lack of string noise when sliding.
I run flats on my Ric 660-12, from "Pick of the Ric's". Never tried rounds on it. I also play a acoustic 12 which I run round wound Elixer lights. The ric plays really smooth. Back in the day when I played hour long sets flats were much easier to play as they were easier on the fingers. Amazing difference in the sound for sure. Flats are not just for jazz players anymore.
Flats seem to be guitar specific in my experience, but the smooth feel is really nice. The Tomasitk-Infeld Jazz Flats are worth a look, pricey but last a long time.
can confirm, I had a set of thomastik-infeld on my electric for a decade
I've found thomastik to be easier to bend than chromes.
When I did jazz, I used TI Jazz Flats exclusively. Last forever and sounds great
My first guitar, a Silvertone in 1965, came with flat wound strings. I can't say I ever knew (for quite a while) that round wound were for anything but acoustic. It still has flat wound on it (and yes, I still have it). The only one I have that does, but I always loved playing with them.
I love silver tone stuff I have believe it or not a 1940s Sears silvertone 1300 that was given to me by my friend's grandfather he knew how much Luther Perkins is my favorite guitarist
I LOVE Flatwounds! I put them on all of my guitars. Les Pauls, RRV & Flying V, Strats of all types (vintage to modern and vintage SuperStrats) and Teles. I play Rock, Blues & Metal.
I use D'Addario's XL Chrome Flatwound 10s on the 24.75 scaled guitars and a set of 10s with the high 3 strings swapped for coated plain strings to make it a Flatwound 9s, for use on 25.5" scales.
D'Addario unfortunately don't make Flatwound 9s. D'Addario need make a 9s set.
Try flatwounds with heavy fusion/metal distortion, it's a really interesting sound, fast legato on the lower strings is beautiful!
I use flats on my Epiphone Viola bass. It’s a short scale bass so I feel like the flats help add back in some lows, and they really help in those low mids to make the bass cut through more. Plus they are so much more comfortable that the round wounds on my Jazz bass.
My Hofner Violin Bass arrived with Roundwounds (too bright & zingy) but as soon as I put a set of flat wounds on it, I was in McCartney heaven
I love Flats on bass too.Have them on all of my bass except for one. I can't find anyone who makes a Flatwound set for a full sized 6-string bass!
Went to flat wounds on my Casino and Starfire over a year ago. Glad I did. Comfortable and they don’t make that horrible scraping noise while you play.
I played flat wounds for many years in the early 70's and 80's. I used Gibson strings. Funny story, Gibson sold the same string/part number with red and orange thread on the winding next to the ball end. I liked the ones with the 'red' thread better than the 'orange'. Once a month I would go to my dealer and paw through the string box to get all the ones/sets with 'red' thread. Some 'sets' had orange and red mixed! I still got all the red ones! LOL If they saw me coming they would hide them, so I had to sneak in the back door! LOL Those flats would last 4-6 gigs, about 2 weeks then. They were ~25% more expensive than rounds. I used them on a Gibson ES325, like a 335 with no binding and mini h-bucker pups. I loved it!! Peace --gary
Thanks for actually playing on the wound strings. I watched several videos where they were playing on the plain strings to show the difference. 😂
Great video! This opened my eyes... and answers a question I've had about the Beatles sound which I love...am definitely going to be trying these...I dig the sound!
Jazz guitarists swear by it. So bought the famous thomastik for my 5th Avenue. Still need to install them & try them out. 🤩
Just put flats on my SG… took a 13 set, ditched the low E and shifted everything up the old way with a .010 on top.
I can still bend and everything… and the harmonic richness and ease of sliding around the neck feels amazing. I can run a really treble-heavy distortion (i.e. a Rat) and still get great rock tone.
I love flats. I keep flats on a guitar. They are the best feeling strings in my opinion.
I bought a set of flat wounds a few years ago because that’s all the store had in 12s … I built a guitar exclusively for slide and want heavier gauges. I’ve exclusively used them since for my slide guitars … love them!
flats are great, especially for a vintage sound!!
Flats on a bass is where it's at! So smooth and less slide noise. Nice and fat low end. I put some on my strat just to see and I dont feel as much difference in the playing but probably notice less noise with a slide.
Always love the flats!!!
Magma makes super ground wounds (they're called flat strings) which take the ground wound design to a new level in that the wrap wire is flattened the whole way.
Must be said, man. All your videos are so informative and entertaining. I love guitars and that great sound we always searching for.
i havent watched one of your videos in a few years and it feels like seeing an old friend. I know its just a random ass video, but it got me kinda in my feels lol
I have an old Yamaha SA-30T (1967), I've tested several string gauges and types with it. It definitely sounds the best with Thomastik 11-47 flats. Unbelievably good tone.
i generally prefer the brighter sound of rounds, but the feel and playability are such a night and day thing that i'm *more* than willing to accept the flatwound tone, which is good in its own way
Hey Rett thanks for doing what you do then watching you. I don’t know better part of two years now and I feel like I learned a lot from you. I’m at 68 going on €69 frustrated guitar player but you have a lot of insight on the way things work and glad you’re passing it on to all of us, oh yeah PS my amp just died. If you know anybody who has a low very low budget and they wanna sell let me know John P.
Wound G, whether it’s flat or not, is the right set for an archtop, according to many Luthier’s.
Flats are amazing for everything. I recently had them on my fretless Fender Jazz and swapped to roundwounds (ignoring what I know that does to the neck) because the modern sound is nice. If I had two J-basses I’d probably have both sets but all my guitars are still flats except for my acoustic. I can still play rock and country on the back pickup if I want, but Sundays flats sound really nice for gospel / neo-soul at church, or corporate gigs, records, where being really quiet in execution is helpful. Not having roundwound string noise feels to me like it goes hand in hand with eliminating pops and clicks in our technique that need to be omitted, instead of just deleting in print. Fat strings raised up high enough to avoid any fret noise sound good. Luthiers don’t really like the Martin Standard because it’s too low and chokes out the string from fret buzz. Usually raising the action a little helps with that. Either adding some relief to the neck or raising the bridge… all of that is going to change if you throw a set of these on.
Love the variety when I play my guitar that's usually strung with flat-wounds. I have them on a Reverend Manta Ray 390 and it's a richer and darker feel overall. So great for so many styles. I have round-wounds on my Tele so plenty of room for bigger bends and obviously a different sound and feel overall with that one.
Yeah man, I dig flats. Esp on a tele guitar as it tames the twang a little and balances things nicely. Of course it’s cool on a jazz guitar but useful on many other guitars. Feel great to play too
Real quick correction:
The Beatles didn’t start using the Casinos until the summer of 1965 and George only used the tele in 1969.
Actually Flatwound strings go back as early as 1874 by a guy named Hamilton. They were originally designed to replace the Gut strings on bowed stringed instruments because 1) they last longer, 2) they hold tune better, & 3) the flat surface increases the contact area w/ the bow for a quicker response.
Glad to see flats getting some love, I've been playing flats for almost a year now, Never gone back!
I put some 13 gauge Labella flats on my Casino, absolutely loving it!
I bought a cheap mustang copy and put 15-56 gauge Labella flatwounds on it, and they feel GREAT for rhythm parts, bending?... not so much...
its so different sounding. its like acoustic but electric at the same time, almost like a jazz box.
Flat wounds were the order of the day in 60's rock. Dylan, Beatles and nobodies like me used 'em. I musta gone through hundreds of Gretsch Electromatic 10 sets. Talk about noiseless- they were the thing.
Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll swap mine out once my current set are out of life.
I have 2 guitars that always have flats on them. I also keep flats on all my basses but one and I’ve found that they just make the perfect sound for me.
I've been playing for 27 years. I just now bought some flat wounds a few months back. Need to string it up and test them out. I also got some tape wounds for my bass im excited to give a go. Tapes sound awesome on a bass, but I've yet to try them myself.
I have to try this. You may have just changed my guitar playing. I play flat wound strings on my bass but never even considered looking for flat wounds for my guitar. Based on your description my main issues with round wound strings and how I play guitar are all not issues with round wound strings.
You have been preety much dissecting Marc Speer's whole setup lately . I dig it 😉
That lick at 1:37-1:39 sounds like Bobby Weir
Awesome playing man
I started out playing hard rock on an Ibanez, but over the years I transitioned to jazz on a partscaster/Telecaster. Once I switched to flats on my beloved Franken-Tele, I never looked back. They feel *unbelievable* under the fingers! Because of that thicker core, I presume, the note produces a pronounced fundamental and reduced overtones compared to rounds, which is why I think they have less of that “shimmer” on top. An unexpected benefit is that I found that they work really well with distortion and especially fuzz! Because of the reduction in overtones, the notes sound more defined and less muddy than they would on roundwounds. Anything from vintage psychedelic rock to that Holdsworth-esque fusion tone. Hell, even doom metal rhythm sounds even darker and heavier with flats!
However, the one caveat I have is that they are bullshit for playing blues. Yes, the woody tone is like butter on your eardrums, but bending is more or less out of the question, unless you use semi-flats or you have a grip like Thanos.
However, don’t let that discourage you from getting a set and playing! Especially rhythm in almost any genre but funk is just improved, in my opinion.
What a great video. Beatles, using flat rounds is news to me. When I bought a Gretsch 6119 I put flat wounds on it after using round wounds that it came with. That’s when I got the Gretsch sound I was looking for. 👍🏻
They are a delight for slide playing