It still dumbfounds me to think that anyone's got the audacity to take someone else's product, credibility, and even possibly _livelihood_ in their hands to review and then try to justify what a horrid job of the review they've done by saying it'd have cost them what'd amount to a small percentile of what said review would earn them in gain... At that point, Linus might as well have said "Don't buy this turd because we can't be bothered by fact checking if it's made of gold", ruining a small company's image in the process, and then, doing ANYTHING BUT returning that PROTOTYPE to its OWNER. I mean, sociopath-level mentality going on there... Sheesh.
@@RAW_RealityIf your company went down because a bad review on a prototype, then you’re an absolute idiot shouldn’t be starting a company in the first place. I mean who da fuk stupid enough to invest the company’s and their own entire fortune on a prototype cooler? Did you think before saying that?
Even more horrible is selling prototype unit sent by a small company, when community asked why., Linus literally said " haha We don't sell it, we actually auctioned it & took money. I mean it's literally the definition of robbery.
it also makes zero sense, because its not even true. They wouldn't be spending an extra $500 to do that anyway, just $500 worth of time. They're all getting paid a salary, likely with "reasonable" overtime stipulations
Can't afford to retest a part? That's literally what they do. They probably would have gotten hundreds of thousands of views on a retest. It's just arrogance on Linus's part, since he tested the part.
Wouldn't spend $500 on employee wages to fix the video. Lost thousands and thousands of dollars in floatplane subscribers. Made the national news in Canada. Bet he wishes he spent that $500 now.
@@shanearnold2854 and then auctioned it off to another potential company that could clone it to make for 3090ti's themselves. If billet labs patented that copper block, LTT is not going to have any money.
for the record billet labs said they could keep it. but than changed their mind and wanted it back. than after being told they could get it back the changed their mind and wanted money is what i heard although even without the second part the first part makes this a understandable mistake, had the original plan been to send it back instead of keep it it would or never been auctioned. it was a kind of indian giving/ give take back thing but they had mistakeinly auctioned huge stupid mistake but thats what it is it was not malicious intent like many claim at first the prototype was for lunus to keep. that aside i am not on linuses side dude only cares about money and is fake puts no effort in videos its just make as much crap as you can as fast as you can just stick to the formula and use random graphs and post it because we only care about views nothing and no one else
As a qualified Product Designer I cannot begin to express how damaging it would be for a company to take your one and only prototype, slander it then not give it back to you, and then sell it off at auction. It's actually disgusting and seems intentionally malicious....
Also known as their only one, if that was the only one they had at the current development then that is the only one they had, other prototypes before it are redundant.@@Okurka.
Fun fact: The reason they didn't use the 3090 for the waterblock video is because THEY LOST IT. Billet Labs sent them a 3090 specifically to test with, it just got thrown on a shelf somewhere and they couldn't find it before shooting the video, so in classic LTT fashion they just said "whatever, who cares" and made the video anyway. A few weeks later Linus finds the 3090 just sitting on a shelf. However, LTT employees are also known for "borrowing" things from the office AKA "Stealing shit off the shelf without telling anybody", so it's possible after the GN video happened an employee quietly left the 3090 back on the shelf
LTT is fine with employees taking products from the shelves tho. It's good environment they work in, they don't maliciously steal company property and 3090 is a 3 year old product! Why are they making 800 dollar copperware for it? And I totally agree with Linus approach to this shit product, make it a joke as it is. 800 for piece of copper? Get the fuck out.
Also they received the 3090 Ti from Billet Labs, so the 3090 Ti they lost wasn't even their property. I think this is what happens when you grow a company too quickly, I knew Linus Media Group was going to run into these issues eventually I'm just surprised it took this long.
God, I'm insane. I read "...they didn't use the 3090 ... because THEY LOST IT..." and thought they managed to lose an entire mainframe before remembering that it's talking about a video card.
I never had any strong feelings about Linus as a person until a few years ago. I saw a live stream where he and an employee were talking about a graphics card and the employee was really excited about maybe getting to test the hardware and Linus shot him down quite mercilessly, saying that the job would go to someone else and explicitly saying the employee was not competent enough to run a test. The poor guy looked really crestfallen at being called incompetent in front of a live audience. Linus is not a great manager and clearly not a very nice person.
i hate channels that wear their abuse for their workers on their sleeve, but pass it off as a joke. it's like trying to hide it in plain sight, but it's still actually pretty obvious
@@Basil_Ieafa great manager wouldn't handle that in front of audiance, if that is an intern thing (like it was) and he wouldn't say that he is to incompetent, but he would say that in his position and with his skill now he is unqualified. Sometimes it is just about how and when u say things like that, what majes u a great manager. Because if u do it like this, it will cause a bad working climate, what in the end will end in less quality of the workers. Not only will good workers go somewhere else (i mean if i have a choice why sgould i pick someone like that) even the employes that already there will work often signifcantly more inefficient. And u can do what u want about that, but a bad working climate will cause that. Its psychological. When do u think can u work best? Somewhere where u feel good or somewhete where u feel uncomfortable?
@@Basil_Ieaf oh so you're that kind of bad manager (assuming you are - I hope not - in a position of management) and are missing the entire point of the post. Got it.
LTT - "we test new components, new tests, every time" Also LTT - I'm not going to apologise for not spending 100, 200, 500 dollars of people's time to re-test
And this is a man with 15 MILLION subscribers and usually at least 600k views on each of their 25 videos a week. Inb4 some Linus fanatics come commenting how many employees he has to pay as if that wasn’t his decision to make.
That's one video I for one can overlook, no where in it because it wasn't a product deep dive, it was litteraly just: is it easy to use, and does it have a market. Other videos, that did do deep dives, is fairgame for Steve Bitterapple to complain about. That is fairgame...at least to apoint. IMO this little more than a school yard squable and my daddy can stomp your groin harder. If want to talk about being professional, and conjenial and bluntly just doing the right thing, that'd have been Steve Burke calling and having a private friend to friend chat. not, you know, taking a dump on that friend, for how they run their business on a public forum. that's not at all cool, or ethical. You call them up and say: not cool to dunk on Hardware on boxed, or me, what the fuck is going on man? you know my channel is better deep dives than yours, so what's up? that's the professional and just done way to do things. ie keep the drama behind closed doors where it belongs.
To think that all it took was this one LTT associate bragging during a lab tour about how well they test new hardware unlike Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed. And then allowing that line to make it onto an official upload. I wonder what the staff members responsible for this feel kickstarting a flurry of criticism against the company they work for.
@@gorkskoal9315 Here's the thing, it's worse than if they fucked up a regular review to me. It's the only glimpse or source of information on a small company most viewers will ever see, especially given how they mishandled the prototype so badly. They have a responsibility to evaluate the product properly, not just to billet labs, but to their viewers, and all the work they've put into building a reputation over the years. They've potentially ruined a small company off a snap judgement and done it while farcially failing at properly testing the item in question. Then to add injury to injury, auctioned off the prototype to buyers they haven't managed to track down and retrieve the prototype from. Then, rather than acknowledge the understandable if unacceptable breach of care that resulted in this, they attempted to shift blame to multiple parties they have injured through their slander and libel. They could have resolved the situation at any point by picking any number of other choices. Like cutting the conclusions when they were in fact informed that a 4090 was not expected to function correctly, and making it an initial hands on video without placing incorrect numbers from an invalid test, retesting it properly, or any number of decisions, including just scrapping the video if it's really not worth spending any more money on it. Steve calling them out publicly is honestly the least they can expect when they also publicly state that their careless testing is better than theirs. The people who made the entire thing public was LMG, not GN. You don't sit back and let a 'friend' try to destroy your life's work, since you have their phone number. No, you stand up for yourself, slap them in the face, and ask them what the actual hell are they thinking, and then give them the reason you suck speech.
I've seen it excused by pointing out that the "we're better than GN and HuB" statement was from a tour of LTT labs and published on a third party's YT channel. Still a sign of systemic BS at LMG that the guy even thought to say it.
@@SansNeural To add another layer to it, think about if thats how they talk when not intending for it to be public, but still comfortably saying to strangers. It kind of paints a not great picture.
I can imagine Gamers Nexus when they saw the UA-cam video going full on Robert Downey Jr, Sherlock Holmes calculating the exact point to strike and how long it will take for LTT to recover.
as well as "companies are not your friends" and many other quotes of him that have now aged very poorly. Pretty much anything hes ever said on wan show really.
Many years ago i liked to watch LTT. As they grew, they got what i felt was a snake oil salesman vibe. The bigger they became, the more the profit-making took over what they once had been. I stopped watching them years ago. I guess exceeding a certain amount of profit triggers people who always carried that in them.
I think that is normal and humanly to see the own advantage first, some are mature enough to preserve their integrity over the profit, some just don't...
I think it's more complicated then that. Despite what your average internet chauvinista thinks. Running a business is actually incredibly difficult. Hiring, pay roll, product development, employee management, ect, ect... So much goes into it that most people who try fail and, many of those that succeed only do so because they figure out a way to "cheat". Basically I am saying you assume greed. However drowning men will grab onto anything to stay afloat. Dude thought that because he could do something relatively simple like run a youtube channel. He could run a business. Not so friendo you don't have the skill stack required.
As for the whole Billet Labs thing, they sent Linus the right video card, so there was no excuse for not testing the waterblock properly, Linus just didn't care.
The big majority of his audience is completely brain damaged, so I'm not too worried about him. I'm sure he could stab a little kitten with his screwdriver live on UA-cam and most of these people would still defend him and watch his videos.
Trust is big, but so is sticking to provable facts, and bringing single-sourced accusations into this is poor form IMO. One person making an uncorroborated claim is not relevant and a "witness" of hearsay is not really a witness at all.
The way they are handling this, it feels like they're annoyed they got caught. As a hardware company I'd also never would want to send a prototype their way ever, if that's the care they put into things.
Most of their problems are from speed, and that is why Linus is acting so annoyed. It is something that is stopping him from kicking out content. They're trying to grow like they've always grown: Kick out more and more. However, they are big enough that they are facing diminishing returns. Now throw in the fact they are spending a ton of money on the lab and hiring people to run the labs. The pressures are just all there and this falling down would be inevitable. But even so, man did they crash hard. I hope they can right the ship.
That's the part a lot of their fanbois don't understand. It's not just the public they've lost credibility with. What they did to Billet is gonna have a lot of companies giving second thoughts to working with them.
It happens to a lot of nerds or socially struggling guys who go ultra successful early. They miss those important 20's 30's maturation years. That's how we got Elon Musk. He's too busy to develop past 23
Imo it started with the "adblocking is piracy" (hint: it's not). He made it clear that he is business first, tech youtuber second, (and what is most important) community 3rd. Nobody asked him to become as big as he is, or spin off so many channels. He is a scummy business owner now just right the rest of them. It doesn't matter what steps are being taken to fix this. He has doubled down so many times on his idiocy. I know he won't, but he deserves to fail and lose his business.
Most of the time these angry guy calling everybody incompetant informe more about the guy than the world. My read flag was their power supply test that was so wrong, OMG.
What he did to Billet Labs breaks my heart. He could have single handedly destroyed their company, putting many people out of a job. There were so many things wrong with his review and his response was so callous and numb. They are a startup in a very competitive field and it seems like he made it personal (maybe there's something going on behind the scenes we aren't aware of). "It makes no sense and no one should buy it." is too far and highly opinionated for someone in his position. Hopefully LTT can turn it around and thanks to Steve and the guys from GN for sticking up for them.
Going that hard against it, especially after being proven he tested it just 100% wrong, tells me he's getting paid by someone else. He can't upset a sponsor that actually pays him that's probably competing with Billet Labs
@@robsomethin4415 You're overthinking this. The answer is much simpler: pride. Linus is like pride personified at the moment, just listen to how he talks and read what he writes, the dude thinks he literally can do no wrong. He'll drag his company into the ground with him before he admits he's wrong. And that's probably what will eventually happen unless he takes his head out of his behind and realizes he's become a colossal bellend.
Linus gives up on products and rarely reads the instructions, he says stuff makes no sense and no one should buy it all the time (usually he is correct on those calls), if they didn’t want Linus’s unvarnished opinion they should have sent it to someone else. If you want a $800 waterblock it is likely to be because it is pretty and Linus’s opinion isn’t going to sway you. As long as they made it obvious they tried to fit it to the wrong card it is more like a video of their old shenanigans than a serious review. as far as I know They don’t usually auction off the prototypes they were supposed to return so that was new.
@@robsomethin4415 It's probably more he didn't want to admit he was wrong and annoyed at all the people pointing it out he went whole hog in making it out to be bad.
Yeah if you ever make a mistake at your job you should be fired and never be allowed to do your job again because it is clear that nobody should listen to your advice. Do you see the insanity that your line of terrible reasoning leads to?
@@thomgizzizit's not just a mistake. It was a massive, inexcusable oversight from the people who are suppose to be the best in the business. Now, I'll admit, they shouldn't be fired for an oversight like that (I don't think the original comment said anything about people being fired). But they should have fixed the video instead of just putting a pinned comment and leaving the video up. A mistake is one thing. Failing to do a extremely simple thing a tech UA-camr should know, uploading the video, realize the mistake but not remove the video is the issue. The fact that they made the mistake is concerning. The fact they didn't fix the video is inexcusable and points to a lack of quality control and basic knowledge from the people who are suppose to be the best of the best
First thing I do when buying a mouse is look for any and all protection film. And if it still feels weirdly on the surface when moving, second thing I do is look for any I might have missed, especially on the feet. Been doing that since mice had balls to clean. It's really not that hard.
It's probably cause theyre so rushed and under a tight schedule; Dumb stuff like this happens and it affects their credibility. Very idiotic and hearing their employees speak on what they would like to see changed in the company, they arent even high demands. Companies really lose when they stop listening to their employees and treating them like disposable objects. I mean, just look at most gaming companies...
What made me outloud laugh, was them saying Gamer Nexus, isn't fact checking or doing their "Journalistic" due diligence, but they didn't even follow simple rules for the water block. I honestly don't know how blatant hypocrisy has gotten really out of control in the present, but man people are nose blind to their own shit.
I wasn't aware of the full story, but wow they really did Billet Labs dirty. I mean their incompetence was borderline slander, and selling a prototype, that's espionage.
yeah i have the same thoughts. Billet Labs probably could have a case(not a Lawyer for the record), but i doubt they have the money to fight it in court.
Linus says GN shouldn't have criticized LTT without giving them a fair opportunity to comment. But it was okay for LTT to criticize Billet Labs without giving them a fair opportunity to comment.
@@larion2336GN is boring and steve is a clown at best with a voice that drives people mad and most people admit they click for graphs and mute the rest but people fully watch linus from start to finish so ya LTT does better reviews
@@MattscreativeBuuuuut - LTT/LMG even admitted their tech reviews were openly based on incorrect data and with no professional attempt to MAKE them properly correct even when time allowed (watch the apology vid and don't talk to me about subtitles, LTT have admitted these weren't good enough) - so what you're saying is you'd rather be entertained than told the truth? Legitimately interested at this point. I've enjoyed LTT since the start but the bigger he got the more arrogant and disconnected he became; the Billet "review"- from the first scene - was an exercise in arrogance, ignorance, poor management, poor film-making and poor prep. He walked into the studio that day with almost no real prior knowledge of the product, where the team hadn't properly prepped and even admitted they'd done the pre-testing on different equipment than what they gave Linus - and rather than call bullshit on the testing he brushed it off as Billet's problem while also taking, at one point, power tools to the WRONG-SIZED components to make it all fit - that was not journalism, or even a review; that was open egotism and sensationalist broadcasting. A review is where shop-bought components are used to provide real-world data to end consumers, so we know what we can expect when WE buy therm. Also Billet provided the correct GPU along with the cooling block for testing - but the GPU was lost while in LTT possession so they didn't have it available when filming - so LTT decided to test the cooler on the wrong GPU, which Billet are quoted as saying "might work but was untested" (the 4090 has a marked increase in heat output, which LTT didn't acknowledge while also slating the cooler and their poor test results - Billet DO have a cooler designed for the 4090 but this wasn't it) - so the entire exercise was flawed beyond belief. Linus did, at least, note Billet's ingenuity - but this was sent to LTT as a PROTOTYPE - you don't review a prototype, in much the same way as a game in alpha- or beta-testing should not be reviewed in the same manner as the 1.0 release. Billet sent the cooler to LTT looking for constructive feedback; instead their product got bombed - and let's not even talk about the legality of the auction. GN is NOT an entertainment platform - it's a REVIEW AND INFORMATION PLATFORM. And yeah, Steve IS boring - he provides flat, scientific, mathematical research data, as accurately as he can, for those that need it and want it. Occasionally he's borderline autistic in the attention to detail which can be overloading and off-putting for many. If that's not for you or me, then fair play - but at least he's honest, and the graphs are useful. All UA-camrs who monetise their content have bias - we ALL have bias - but GN at least try to negate that to whatever degree, however successfully. I watch Steve and Hardware Unboxed for information, when I REALLY need to know data - I tend to watch LTT and Jayz2C for the entertainment - but where Jayz2C crosses the border between entertainment and info, Linus has become more and more about the drama and the shock value and to hell with any semblance of realism or reality - all LMG's output is now monetized - they are a MEDIA group now, not just a tech review channel. Just in case you had doubts about Linus' motivations: LTT's much-hyped screwdriver is $70 - did it ever occur to you that you can buy the on eBay for $5 with more attachments but without the logo - or even from your local hardware store? The dude is a shill, and if he can entertain you out of your money then he's won, and that's become the entire point of LMG - it's a media group after all - the tech is now a side-line, even in the name. But hey - a least you're entertained, right? I've just noticed that you also have a UA-cam channel. Congrats on the 20k subs - do you aim to inform, or entertain? It's an important decision. The reason so many people are so angry is that Linus is still portraying himself as a source of information - he doesn't acknowledge that he's become an entertainer instead and is really just going after the money. It's no coincidence that LMG was valued at $100,000,000. And this is why people feel betrayed.
I actually had a business go down because a contractor I was working with "lost" multiple prototype components which were the only copies I had. Since I was financing the startup myself, I couldn't just drop about $5k to replace them, and after I got my first 2 orders out the door, I had to kill the business. Linus probably has no idea how that feels.
I do wonder who had bought the prototype and if there's a way for the company to get it back from the buyer. But I wouldn't be surprised if it were already in some Red-Flagged Asian Country.
@@lolly166541 Billet Labs already addressed this, that LTT was eventually able to track down the buyer (who was an individual, not a company/potential competitor), and when Billet Labs were made aware, they declined to buy it back mainly because they had already spent the funds into remaking the prototype again, and also because they didn't trust that LMG could actually get hold of the prototype and ship it back to BL in a timely manner (also evidenced by the fact that LMG still at the time had not returned the 3090TI that BL had sent them together with the waterblock for the video). Basically they told LMG "don't bother, we don't trust you can be efficient about this and our time is worth more than yours so you can keep it, we have already moved on).
Obviously I don't know anything about your situation, or Billet Labs' situation, but why would someone hand off their prototype if they don't have another, or cant afford to replace it? No judgement here, hindsight is 20/20 and all that, and this is coming 100% from an outside perspective. From your comment it sounds like you were having someone make a component, and then it was never delivered and the maker denied responsibility, which is different from how the Billet Labs situation seems, where they just gave LTT the only copy of that cooler in existence, for free, with only a handshake agreement that it would be returned. Not to judge Billet Labs, we obviously don't know everything that happened or was said, but I definitely would not be that trusting with my business as them.
He's still mostly successful but his reputation definitely took a huge blow from recent events, especially with the whole issue with Billet Labs. That one particularly pissed me off, Billet Labs is a small startup company with a cool new idea and Linus just stole and sold off their best prototype after slandering the fuck out of it because they used it on a GPU it wasn't even designed for. Iirc it was made for a 3090, which Billet actually sent them one of. _Where did it go???_ It was never returned either.
I unsubscribed when this came out. I also no longer watch any of their videos. I can't believe over 15M people are still there. Then again, yeah I can. 😔
Nor could they take their apology video seriously. If there is one video you really shouldn't be shilling your store on, it's the one where you are apologizing for a major mistake.
It doesn't matter if they were or not. That's just not the problem. The complete unprofessionalism from LTT is the problem. They should be held to a much higher standard.
It's almost required to be a scumbag and be willing to fuck people over to be as successful as he is. Even on UA-cam, channels being successful by giving actual useful information is so rare. Gamers Nexus should be the one with 15m subs. LTT is a joke
As a guy who knows screwdrivers, he could have bought the 52 in one made in upstate NY and doubled his money for $20 less to customer cost and skipped all the bullshit. I was a tech and became an engineer. I can tell right quick if a tool you have is a good one for doing service work or not. Linus did no one a service with that POS screwdriver. Its just an overpriced fleecing of his followers.
The fact that he always wanted to be the smartest guy in the room and then, someone always had to explain something to him for him to understand. The money got to him.
Reminds me of when he bought a niche movie camera and complained that it wasn't optimized to shoot hardware reviews. He just looked at the price tags and assumed the most expensive camera was de-facto the best for his needs.
clearly...he spent a lot of money rebuilding his home ultra-tech mega wifi super air-con to...throw it away and buy a mansion with pool that wouldn't be out of place in a Miami Vice episode...this pretty much matched when the content got worse and he started saying disgusting things, disrepecting his employees in front of everyone
@@fredEVOIX He did what-now? I had a roomie who was obsessed with his tech home makeover series, and he just threw it away sometime after finishing the house? That's actually insane, people dream about getting to build the ultimate dream home through sponsorships and their success, and this guy said "nah, it's overrated" after getting it I guess?
Yeah it's like gravity: it'll accellerate you to the ground--the ground (truth) will stop you instantly, brutally. I always thought this guy looked a bit slimy, like a love rat or worse, and deffo a spiv type, that most of all.
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”-Friedrich Nietzsche
@@spinlock1785 If you think that you're a fool. You don't know the history of it at all. They've definitely lost perspective, but they're working on that. We'll see what's come of it towards the end of the year.
@@spinlock1785 that's not true. When he first started out on his own with Luke they cared more than any one else in the space. They were extremally passionate and cared about the audience. That obviously isn't the case now however.
@@AtotehZYou haven't met Linus in real life or at any event have you? Try and talk to him without having a channel with a million subs or more and see what happens. I've seen him shut down so many fans that tried to talk with him because they weren't "popular" youtubers or business contacts. Go check out what TechYES has to say about Linus and LTT. His video spot on mimics what I see first-hand.
Canadian here - Beware of the Canadian puppy look. It's quite effective, unfortunate but a reality. Linus no exception so becareful of his puppy look and bs apologies.
If this also happens to a tester, many customers will also leave the stickers on and return the product disappointed. This is actually valuable feedback for the manufacturer. But no, LTT is evil right now, so we look for every hair in the soup. Intent! Fraud! ARGH!
@@gerhard.seemueller which you conveniently leave out the part that the company sponsor, yes, did tell them this and did find it useful info, *but asked them to redo parts talking about how bad its grip was because it wasn't accurate. Whiiiiiiiiich LTT refused to.* but nice try attempting to downplay how stupid that was bud.
@@8BitShadow Hm, I haven't read anything about that so far, and that would be rather difficult in a finished video. You can't just cut in completely new scenes that were shot later. I find the annotations in the video or in the comments, as LTT usually uses them, quite transparent, because you see both the original and the corrected version.
@@gerhard.seemueller And if a customer makes this mistake and leaves the tape on they might have a slightly bad time for a little while but they can still...take it off later. It's a dumb mistake that's incredibly easy to fix. This is not an excuse.
Everyone makes mistakes. Not like these. This is industrial strength, unchecked arrogance run rampant. Extra points for poking the one bear with a stick, that has the power to expose you.
Truly, this would never have blown up if not for that one offhand comment taking a shot at a less popular fellow tech youtuber. A blunder for the history books. The employee who did it is going to be so screwed now, but he unintentionally did a great favor both to Billet Labs and to his past and current coworkers who've suffered abuse at the company. Now that the genie is out, it's going to be hard to silence further public accusations of misconduct.
@@darschpugs4690 I mean journalism is basically dead, 'journalists' are the biggest jokes around nowadays. Most are just propagandists of one ilk or another.
Yeah, they took something that wasn't theirs, and gave it to someone else. How they got the money for that and what they did with it is irrelevant at that point. If I rob a bank and then took the money I stole and gave it to charity, I'm still guilty of bank robbery.
the argument wasnt "we auctioned it not sold it" it was "we didnt sell it for profit, we auctioned it for charity" just somewhat badly worded tbf booth are bad.. one is objectivly more bad(the sold for profit one) like once again, its a bad situation, and they REALLY need a better system for stuff like that.... But one is just objectivly a far worse outcome in terms of image damage
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 It sucks that you just never know about the honesty and integrity of women in these cases especially in obviously corrupted companies that already look bad(or the women could be corrupted too but playing victim partly to protect their own image), it always seems to only come out around these situations and not much sooner, it makes you wonder how many are just trying to capitalize on the opportunity and how many are being honest. Some of the stuff she's complaining about is literally women being treated equally like men just like women have been saying they want for decades like telling her to put her big girl pants on and be more assertive. Men get things by being assertive and sometimes women don't get that, it's like they think it's literally for existing as men. Men dying in wars among other things was a major reasons men got the vote first, it wasn't literally just for being men like women think. At the end of the day men voted to let women vote, they didn't have to. The irony is when women got the vote they weren't drafted so men were dying for women's rights so women didn't have to, women are literally the ones expecting equal things without equal responsibility or input JUST for being women. Even morbidly obese women expect equal things like a chance at the most desirable men like pretty women when they could just date fat men, but they don't want to because they're hypocrites. Most spending is actually by women anyway because of spending men's money, still women complain about not earning equally without asking why, but then expect men to earn more, how is that supposed to work? How are men suppose to make equal yet more money when women are going to expect to spend men's money despite making their own anyway? Average women can bang all the top 5% men they want but then when they don't get marriage because they're easy, they just expect average men to wife that and have the audacity to shame men that refuse to when she's likely to cheat and even with proof men are punished in divorce. It's not hard for women to rationalize over the years that 100% consensual things was 'r*pe' literally for just feeling shame and regret after and then playing 'victim', especially when it happens to be a guy they see as above them in some sense. Women don't get these things at all, what it's like when men are expected to be seen as superiors in some way to get attraction from women to begin with but men are also expected to be the one to make the move knowing they're risking 'sexual harassment' which could be complete BS or women exaggerating something that happened 10-20 years ago or just completely making shit up without evidence. Men just avoid women at work then they complain about that.
Its nice to see that Billet Labs themselves have posted a video (about 10 days ago as of this comment) showing how straightforward it is to properly install the cooler.
Did they also discover a way to make copper more thermally conductive or find an infinite refined copper supply? If not the product still isn't worth it
@@zachmondial2172it not being worth it can only be said after installing the product correctly. While I agree it's not, it's still a mark of shitty work ethics to just, use the wrong card with it and call it absolute shit.
@aveugleman2188 do I have to test out a Gucci belt to say it isn't worth it? It quite literally can't perform better than cheaper products but cost 100s to 1000s of times as much. Why because it's cool not because the value it provides.
@@zachmondial2172 and if your job, that you did for more than 10 years, was to be thorough about belt testing? And that someone sends you one, with the specific pants to use it on, and you manage to lose said pants, complain about not wanting to retest because it would cost you 500 bucks when your entire company is worth hundreds of millions? You'd become a total joke in your field. Same as Linux did.
@@zachmondial2172 *_"Did they also discover a way to make copper more thermally conductive..."_* You make it sound like that's the only way to increase cooling performance. It's not, not by a long shot.
You missed the email they sent to LTX participants lying about needing their info for tax reasons when trying to track down who purchased the waterblock.
@@gerhard.seemueller no my point is they emailed everyone and lied to them. They didn't need it for tax reasons but they were trying to find who purchased the waterblock without telling people that.
@@Hellfire8 TBF they had no idea if it did go to a competitor or not *before* sending out the emails. You think if it was bought by a competitor they'd be willing to say "hey, yea we have it"? Not a chance in hell. But that being said, it shouldn't of even been out in public...period. Let alone the fact that LTT just...didn't record who was buying what because they expected the charity runners to do it? When it's not their job? If that isn't a sign of major systematic problems I don't know what is.
@@8BitShadow I agree with you, loads of systematic failures from within LTT, but lying to their fans and attendees about why they're asking you for your personal information (name address/ what you purchased) in the UK at least that would be dangerous grounds for GDPR.
I stopped watching Linus years ago, he has had multiple terrible takes and has an attitude of superiority over everyone else in the industry that I could not stomach. Compared to the Tech tv shows on the now long dead ZDTV who had hosts that came at things from an attitude of education.
He’s not the only one. All of their channels have videos and hosts with absolute dogshit takes on so many things and shitty attitudes. I liked them at first but they’ve gotten dumber and dumber with their shit takes and bad journalism more and more. It sucks that the people there that aren’t shitty people have to suffer over this, whomever they may be, but I’d love to see LMG go down. They won’t recover from this and neither should they, they’ve been doing this stuff for far too long and getting away with it.
Yup, same here .. used to watch his stuff a few years back then realised I couldn't stand the guy's growing arrogance and something just started to feel a bit 'off' about the channel .... turns out that gut feelings are often quite accurate ....
Same here! It started as a good channel with interesting content about hardware and then moved into a shitshow of hedgelords talking out of their assses.
this was long overdue, and many have seen this coming with the noticeable change in his attitude, arrogance, the quality and obviousness of their scripts. etc. for all the talented people that are involved and their paychecks i hope that they all bounce back somehow, but Linus and some others in the company needed to be taken down a couple of notches if they weren't willing or capable of introspection into see what they were becoming.
I needed help from UA-cam tutorials on building my first pc back when I was broke and still in college. LTT was the most trusted channel when it comes to PC building. But the channel quickly soured the first time I watched it for a few weeks trying to figure out how to build a budget pc as there's this looming smugness with them, mostly Linus. How he would mock and laugh at "inferior" computer parts constantly. And how he always aggressively has this "Oh this processor or this graphics card is pathetic" vibe to him. I was broke, I couldn't afford those thousand dollar pc parts and I wasn't planning on buying them. I built my first PC with the help from the tutorials of other channels. I'm glad I never supported LTT. They always gave me this pretentious and condescending "I'm the expert, not you, got that?" vibe.
What? I've watched him for a long time and he has done plenty of videos on budget hardware, shoot the old build off videos where they only get a small amount of money and have to source what they can to build a competitive gaming computer against the other teams were good. Another thing is with LTT they've always had that joke aspect to them, like to make things funny. Yes of course they've reviewed and done more with the top tier components, that's what companies send they send the newest and greatest products and expect LTT or other brands to review and promote them. I'm not trying to make excuses for LTT and nothing I'm talking about has anything to do with what this video was about, just giving my 2 cents to what you said. Side note did you ever build that PC? Have you upgraded since then?
Oh, you're too fragile to hear honest opinions of computer parts, and you start to cry when you imagine "looming smugness" as though that's an intelligent thing to say? There's plenty of stuff to criticize about these guys but you're just whining about total nonsense based in your own fragility. Sounds like you don't have the strength to brave the internet or the world outside your front door. Oh my god, he criticized computer parts! So smug! And it's so important to call him smug!
Bitwit and PC centric helped me easily understand and build my PC. PC builder, Daniel Owens, Paul's hardware, bitwit, and hardware unboxed have great reviews and help you find discounts. I, like you, moved away from Linus farely quickly and jayztwocents as well.
I think my breaking point was when they did a list of "best budget notebooks for students" thing and every single machine was in the thousands of dollars. The entire channel is just completely removed from reality.
In the end the channel still basically belongs to a company so it makes sense why they would grease up certain cards or cpus to be better than others as it’s just marketing strats.
From what I gather He thought he had worked out how useful it was for the price aggravation etc from what he had seen and he didn’t think any level of performance it would become worthwhile. For old LTT when they were doing all the testing etc mostly for entertainment that would have just been a video of their usual ineptitude. Like dropping water into a server they were making, dropping the CPUs, stabbing it with a screwdriver and then attempting to keep it running long enough to benchmark it. It clashes with The image they have been trying to build recently and they probably should only be doing that sort of stuff when the project and not the hardware is the focus.
@@glenecollins Old LTT would have still tested it with the intended card AND then tested it on something stupid like the 4090 in the video. And then probably would have hooked it into the whole room water cooling system lol or left it outside in the rain, take your pick XD
@@mromutt I don’t think Linus has ever done a snow cooled PC how un-Canadian of him. I thought they did the tests for the episode on the thing they built on screen most of the time and they made some pretty janky rigs. But you are probably right if they had a product they would usually have put it in a test rig and done official benchmarks in a previous show and for listing on the website.
They resolved the situation! You're just out of the loop, don't have the most recent information. But I'm not going to judge you for that, because I understand that you're capable of changing your mind based on new information (as Linus is), and when you realize that Linus has righted his wrongs, you're going to feel silly and uninformed. That's punishment enough.
Im happy to see that I am not the only one who had been feeling disenfranchised with LTT over the last 4-5 years. 10 years ago, LTT was an awesome channel to watch. It really did not take long for Linus to develop a complex though. Stopped watching 4 or 5 years ago, because even then, it was apparent to me that all of the clout and all of the money was going to his rapidly expanding head.
Same here man. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to tech or computers, so when I'm trying to find out if something is worth my money or I just need tech tips, I have to rely on people who know more about things than I do. I stopped watching LTT when it became clear to me that I can't rely on what they're saying, and it certainly didn't help that Linus was lowkey treating his employees like garbage on screen and seemed just like the worst boss I ever had.. the one who got visibly irritated and annoyed by the slightest mistake (or someone simply saying something he didn't like). Linus clearly let all the fame and money go to his head, and to nobody's surprise it made the content worse. This was just the final nail in the coffin for me. I can't trust anything this guy says anymore after seeing so many lies and attemps to avoid responsibility, and even if I could I wouldn't want to support yet another egotistical idiot who thinks his success is all due to his own brilliance. LTT will keep churning out millions, but at least I won't have to be there to contribute to it.
So they said the no one should buy the copper cooler, yet they were auctioning it (a.k.a. putting it up for someone to buy). That's legit scumbaggery right there.
I think it's a little different to auction it off as "memorabilia from a LTT video" (for charity) as opposed to "a part you would want to use in your PC." Of course he shouldn't have been auctioning off the part at all because it was a prototype the company wanted back, but if that hadn't been the case I don't think what you're saying would be an issue.
There's a difference between not recommending a product at retail price ($800) VS actioning it off to the highest bidder. Even trash has a price point where people will buy it. 🤡
@@Eamil There's zero moral difference in taking something that's not yours and giving to someone else, just because you gave the proceeds away instead of keeping them. It's still theft, pure and simple. If they're trashing the company at the same time they're stealing their property, that makes it worse, not better.
@@AnimeBeefRandoms pretty much this, people don't want it to use it, the point was to sell it off because they can say they have the item used in a video. I'm unsure why people don't get that rather obvious fact. Like if I sell off my used underwear on auction, no one would buy it. But if Linus did, some weirdo would do it.
I disagree. Linus is too big to fail. They lost like 200k subs, who cares, they have millions. 95% of people wont stop watching them and therefor supporting them. This is nothing in the grand scheme of things and will be forgotten in 3 months.
Internet? This happens in real life. People see others get big and they get jealous and want to tear them apart. Right now nobody is looking at Gamers Nexus and he isn't perfect but the shit show he started has done nothing but benefit him, and he has pulled this internet drama bs before, he isn't a good guy either. You are just doing the same thing humanity does from the beginning of time, you see somebody who has more than you, you get jealous and you join the mob to rip them apart, the mob that was usually started by somebody that wants to take their place. This whole time you feel justified and that you are intelligent, when the opposite is usually true.
I think easiest way would be to create new brand and maybe target different GPU with their product, but yea, they should let the GN to test whatever they make first.
I mean the point still stands that unless they found a way to break the laws of thermodynamics the product is not worth it at all. No matter how cool looking and expensive your procut is you can't change the conductivity of copper.
@@zachmondial2172 copper is one of the top thermal conductors though? what do you mean? i haven't looked at their cooler and how it works but usually gpu heat sinks are made of aluminum which is about 45% less conductive than copper.
The TLDR: LTT is never getting another cool component again. Even if you want to "forgive" that brand, they're now toxic to the types of businesses that previously sent them interesting prototypes to make videos on. It's not just Billet Labs. NO SMALL COMPANY WORTH SUPPORTING WILL BE WORKING WITH THEM GOING FORWARD.
Who knows... Sadly Linus still has a massive cultist following, so it's hard to turn down any chance to let them review your product knowing that they have such massive audience and have always been, for some reason, seen as the way to go for reviews, an "authority" in the tech media.
Umm idk about that. If LTT had the numbers, small companies will still send them things because of that alone. We'll see though, only time will tell. I will say this does kind of suck, I watch LTT actually watched them for quite a long time now, so to see all this is a bit of a bummer. It's like watching a show you like only to find out it's not going to be picked up for another season haha
Why would you SHAME a small company ever for taking an opportunity like that in the future with one of the biggest channels on the platform? What an insane stand to take. "Fuck you if you ever work with X for whatever reason or benefit, because I hate them now"
The only thing Linus is passionate about these days are how many merch products they can deliver per year. Tech really is secondary to "How many water bottles can we sell this quarter?" It's just sad.
then he's surprised and "hurt" that the community demanded written warranty contracts for their overpriced 250$ backpack instead of ther "Trust us Bro" verbal warranty lmfao. dickhead, you're not a small youtube page, you're a 100m usd corporation, "trust me bro" is not gonna work anymore lmfao
The whole appeal to Linus and friends was a geeky, innocent, and most importantly honest reputation. That's never coming back, they're just another money hungry corporation now.
From the beginning, he took advantage of having the same name as Linus Torvalds. At the time, it seemed like a fairly harmless way to drive up clicks, but in hindsight... I think if you went back there were indications and red flags that honesty was not a priority.
@@HansBjorgman I think if you looked back through his career, the problem wasn't "getting big". Either there's integrity from the beginning or not, it just becomes a lot more visible when they start making lots of money and get caught.
Linus has said many things about how corporations are evil and use people and are just out for money and he not only proved that to be true, he surpassed those claims. Quite the accomplishment.
Linus has not surpassed those things, corporations cannot afford to acknowledge mistakes (usually) and will go as far as settling out of court to reach those ends. Linus DID correct his mistakes, and also literally can't afford NOT to correct his mistakes. So what are you still angry about? Did he remove you from his Christmas card list when he became too big? Do YOU run the startup you're licking boot for?
He was atleast not lying, when he admitted at some point, that LMG also is just a company and not the viewers friend... I think that was even during one of the hot takes against Nvidia, back when they tried to force all brands to create sub-brands for AMD cards (like Asus did with AREZ)
This is what happens when you turn your brand in a content farm. Can’t say I’m surprised. Linus was bearable in the earlier years… he’s just plain obnoxious now. Some of his team are quality though and outshine him at every step.
I will agree that the other host on his channel are great every time Emily (formerly Anthony) had a video I knew there was going to be information but you could always tell it was rushed.
The same exact fate befell on RoosterTeeth with quantity over quality after going Public. It looks like its obvious to just prioritize objective quality for the most healthy dynamic, though money and/or greed warps that balance in the worst ways
5:30 There's a detail about the Billet Labs saga that you missed. Apparently, BL sent LTT a 3090ti with the prototype, but LTT "lost" that card, and didn't have another to test on (despite all the GPU testing they do). At best, this suggests terrible stock control. At worst, it suggests something I won't say because it would be libellous.
Go ahead and say it. We now know that all you have to do to absolve yourself of any and all responsibility is to just make a small comment about it somewhere else in the comments.
@user-ss1ok1nr6l if LTT wanted to up their apology game to the next level, they should do an EA / ActiBlizz / Bethesda / Ubisoft-type "solemn GIF apology" as well...
It's close to fraud. Losing someone's hardware is just sloppy. Knowingly testing a product with the wrong video card, which the company even sent you, being too lazy to look for it or too cheap to replace the product you lost, and then still making money with a video review calling the product bad even though the company specified in advance that the product would not work on any other hardware is just plain intent to harm a company.
its simple they either lost the card, or figured they would get better hits on their video if they did a negative review or used a 40 series card. instead of a 30 cough cough. Its possible maybe they didn't lose the card at all and are running something scummy in the background. Either way its hella fishy.
LTT changed from fun and informative to a unengaging production line sometime around 2016. Since a couple years I get my component reviews from other channels.
I watched every video in the past, but over the last 3 years, I’ve lost all interest. It turned from tech tips to more of a business often showboating his wealth.
I stopped taking him and Jay both seriously. I can't stand how much of shills these guys are. It's pretty bad when I go to Vex, who is a new youtuber for my tech info.
Two months later and they are doing fine. Still hiring. Still making videos. As predicted, the vast majority of their viewers don't even know this happened and of those who do most simply don't care. So much for all the "they are never coming back from this" comments.
You missed the fact that Billet labs did not want to disclose to the public how much the prototype was worth and LTT didn’t blur out the amount they requested in the Email shared in the video. LTT editited their video to take the amount out after the fact.
What they did to Billet Labs is more than drama, it is outright criminal. I dont believe it was an accident because he treated them with such contempt.
Yeah. You know that if none of this had come out this would have been absolutely swept under the rug and allowed the continuation of a really, really shitty practice.
What conspiracy would make them auction something a tiny company said they wanted back? No matter what the review??? I enjoy a good conspiracy theory but given all the other issues with obviously rushed crap, poor oversight and poor communication people screwing up and it getting stuck in with the stuff to be auctioned seems way more likely.
@@glenecollins I'm not claiming conspiracy, I'm saying I don't think it was an accident due to the utter contempt he shown them. It was deliberatly handled with disregard. That attitude, I suspect is why when they auctioned it off because they didn't handle the product with any respect. They thought they could just ignore them and get away with it because for whatever reason they clearly looked down on them.
@@CaspianNomad that is less exciting, I really don’t think that is the case though, it could be why nobody took ownership of it and assured it got back to the owners but I read what you said as they actively put it into the pile for auction because they didn’t like the company. They have gotten in trouble from bigger companies because something they were supposed to send back got into a video months later sitting around the lab or repurposed.
You do realize the original deal was they didn't have to give anything back, the were asked to and agreed that's when the problem started, they were under no legal obligation to do so.
LTT isn't even worth the time of day. At this point they're worse than the Verge because at least the Verge recognizes mistakes and attempts to correct them. Remember what GN and even LTT have said "it's not the mistakes it's how you handle them", and Linus has revealed how scummy he is and the trickle down effect of his personality and environment throughout the company.
Interesting observation... they definitely seem to be subservient, but then again, they are supposed to be, a company isn't a democracy, it is a dictatorship. If true, then Linus must pay them extremely well, as they have been with him for a long long time.
I can understand Luke's POV, he's been with him for so long, he would be the last person to say bad things about Linus. Loyalty for that long is hard to comeby
im watching this a month late. so, in hindsight, they released the apology, stopped making videos for 1 WEEK, and have since made 16 new videos (in 3 weeks). so... are they claiming to have "fixed" all their problems that were raised in 1 WEEK? hmm...
Gamers' Nexus opened the floodgates. Linus, himself, sealed it open with his response. However, credit (if you want to call it that) to Madison and whomever leaked the meeting on Reddit for just destroying the wall and letting all the damage go through. One can hope that this damage can make the entire tech UA-camr sphere better.
@@JD-xz1mx If you're talking about pure numbers, yeah sure. But if we're talking about credibility in the PC enthusiast community they have basically fully depleted that over the last few years, this was just the final blow. They are nothing more but an entertainment channel who advertises things of the highest bidder. Also in the eyes of the tech youtubers they are basically done and gone as well, they lost all their biggest allies and friends in this area. Might not seem very significant, but losing support of the most dedicated part of their community that would make their most stable and loyal audience is something that will eventually hurt them. It puts them at the whims of UA-cam algorithm and the normies who don't know much about tech. That is the kind of an audience that is easily eroded. So, while they might not be seeing much impact now, if nothing changes they will continue to be disowned by the very community that would be the most interested in their content, leading to eventual decline of the whole channel.
Blunders? 5 in a row? That's a whole lot of things that have to go wrong at once. Why would Linus then say "Even if we used the proper video card and it performed like it was stated to by the company, nobody should ever buy it." if he wasn't trying to sabotage them? I wonder how much money he got from Nvidia or Intel to say that.
@@xantishayde-walker4593 Dude said the product was trash using the wrong hardware and then sold it off anyway. if the product was trash why auction it? you said no one should by it so why sell it?
I was an IT professional (now retired) and I had watch Linus Tech Twat maybe 10 times in total and once since 2014. I believe he should have grown up and stopped behaving like a child even before 2014. Old adage, _Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely_ where he we could change the word _power_ for *_influence._*
@@raynel8495 Oh whoopdee shit. My neighbour's cat has more money than me but unlike linus it is honest and friendly. Money just allows you to buy crap and linus appears to have been buying lots of that because he is so full of it. Et tu -Brutus- @raynel? 🤷♂
They sold it at a charity auction because it increases their tax write off. They couldn't keep the money from the sale of the product but they could reduce their tax liability from it so they still made a profit.😢
Don't forget that giving (other people's money, oh, the irony) to charity is also good for the brand image. It is hard to quantify but has evident value. That is if you don't pull a reverso on yourself, to say it politely.
They sold it at auction because they made modifications to it , and being a prototype under copywrite once they did so and Billet wanted it back , had they simply given it back they would have been in court being sued for the next 50 years . they screwed up then tested their screw up and when the test of course came back squid they blamed the MFG. Actually it looks much more like they went out of their way to end Billet Labs , business indiscretions at their best . Linus has had a long history of making sexual inuendoes no wonder his company does the same and it's the big players too his closest employees , no kidding . His company needs to be investigated by the authorities for tax evasions and inside trading as well as R.I.C.O.
The idea of massive charities - which have become more of a corporate business than helping out of kindness - should end. Especially when big charities are basically another way to launder money or for tax avoidance.
@@Pumkin932 The American Redcross raised 5,000,000,000 for the Haiti earthquake They built 6 houses with that money People need to wake up and stop donating money to MEGA Corporation/Charities and donate to local grassroots efforts
I stumbled on a couple of LTT videos years ago that were relevant to a topic I was looking into at the time that I was relatively unfamiliar with. And those seemed really well done and informative. So I subscribed to the channel and started watching a lot more of their stuff. But I soured on the channel pretty quickly. After watching quite a few videos dealing with things I was already intimately familiar with it became obvious that these people holding themselves up as tech experts had only a very cursory understanding of most of the things they were offering authoritative takes on. How that channel ever became the gold standard for all things PC/Tech/Gaming related is actually pretty baffling.
This, so much this. He rose to fame doing "What is a USB" kind of videos and made a ton of them, on so much of topics, it is impossible to be an expert in all of them. And no, it is not a gold standard, just the normies, that actually don't have a single topic to caught him being superficial, watch him as their only source of information.
Basically, his TikTok-style energy and jokey, casual presentation style made him popular with people that don't watch tech videos. And, a lot of them ended up sticking with his corporation's content because it's easy to consume and then passed it onto other people, presenting it as highly accurate and reliable to other folks that didn't know any better. And so on and so forth. The other issue is, folks generally don't like to accept being wrong. . I've had folks I know come to me for advice on buying components, trying to pick from some examples in some LTT video. I'd show the numbers from far more reputable places (sometimes, just GN...other times, multiple links to several other places at once) and offer my advice on what to purchase instead. While, sometimes, people did listen...I've also been accused of trying to scam them by linking content from "those frauds".
@@ShroudedWolf51 So few people are open to improving their plans by accepting feedback and additional information from other people these days. A while back a friend of mine decided to build his first custom-loop water cooled PC by hard-lining the CPU and GPU in an Enthoo Shift. Couldn't talk him out of it no matter what, and the final system was noisy, ran hot, and the tubing was so obstructive and complex that any maintenance procedure you can think of took an extra 4 hours to complete. Worst still, the GPU he ended up with was 1070 - if he'd left the water cooling and stupid case out his budget, he could've had a 1080ti.
I agree. As an actual electronics and computer tech I've never been a fan of LTT. Like you, in the beginning, I watched several of his videos and and started thinking "wow - this guy doesn't really understand what he's talking about!". That's why I never subscribed to LTT and never watch his videos. There aren't any tech related channels I watch on a regular basis. It's not because "I know everything" (no one does), but most of the time I get irritated when I see these so-called "techs" sticking their fingers all over various computer PCBs and never bothering to use grounded wrist straps. If a "tech" channel doesn't even use proper component handling techniques I'm not going to watch it.
I cannot think of a channel that would make a more devastating enemy than GN. They have the highest level of trust from their community that any channel can have.
Sadly, they got dragged pretty hard by the LTT fanboys in LTT's subreddit. Which is to be expected a little bit, since that is basically friendly territory for Linus. But it shocked me to see some of the mental gymnastics on display in those threads.
@@Aneuren Yeah its so sad when Gamers Nexus kicks a competitor when theyre down with exxagerations and drama..went above and beyond to make LTT look bad. Im honestly shocked to see all you commentors. Are all of you kids? Im serious. The way Steve handled that controversy, in my opionion...huge mistake. And also, did any of you watch LTTs 40 minute video or just Steves? Cos I watched them both and Steve was not honest. Im gonna believe Linus all day before Steve. Please. Yall are what they call....turncoats?
The video is a snapshot in time where LTT had to change their approach to many things. Even if they’ve addressed those subjects since then, it doesn’t mean this video aged poorly. Don’t let your sentimental feelings get in the way of objective truths acknowledge by Linus himself. Doing so is delusional to an infantile degree.
LTT is sadly the story of a boy who dreamt big, actually managing to achieve the dream, and then seeing that their dream turned into a nightmare because they lost focus of what they (and the viewers) really cared about, the cold hard truth....
You hit the nail on the head. I do hope LMG does not collapse though as I don't watch them for hard numbers anymore and they are purely for nerd entertainment value. For hard numbers I stick with tech jesus/GN, jay, and hardware unboxed.
What nerd doesnt care about number ? I mean...@@gumbus75 , sadly it happens everywhere. Linus 100% not hitting rock bottom or forgot where he came from. With his personality, it might never have a chance for a 2nd coming/reflection.
@@Xihrzah people run companies, so yes you can literally destroy people's lives by doing what LTT is doing, honestly if I had a product I wouldn't want LTT to get within 100 yards of it. If you spent years working on something, just to have someone you might have admired shit all over it, then tossed your work aside in front of the world, you'd feel worse than bad too.
I also remember L accusing people that use adblockers as being pirates. I watched L since before LTT, and a few years into LTT. It became children's channel quality (which is ok, just not for me) and I moved on. L is set for life so I won't shed any tears if his company totals which I don't think it will.
No way, adblock users are pirate?? How I don't understand 😂 I don't want the garbage to litter my webpage how is it piracy... Its literally trying to help stop spammers and pop ups to show unnecessary and adult content bullsht
@@TGPDrunknHick That take of Linus' has to be one of the most clear-cut cases of him publicly announcing that he only cares about the money. If there's any money to be possibly made, he thinks he deserves all of it.
What _really_ pissed me off when it came to that absurd piracy stance was that about the same time he did videos about handheld PCs you could buy instead of a Nintendo Switch because _"Look! They can _*_also_*_ run Nintendo Switch games!"_ And no, emulation is not illegal, nor should it be, but getting your Switch games onto that PC _will_ involve actually stealing them.
I used to love LTT, but between the Billet Babs situation, the backpack warranty situation, Linus' views on ad-blockers, his own political views, and all the mistakes and fast speed of the videos, they managed to actually make me disgusted looking at their channel. And I feel bad because at one point they were the go-to channel and I would watch videos I had no real interest in just to learn about something new. For me personally, their reputation is irreparably ruined.
5:30 I've heard that Billet Lab also shipped a 3090 alongside the cooler for them to test it with, but they apparently lost the 3090. Unfortunately I have no source on it, but I have heard it being discussed. But even then, considering the amount of material they review and the many video they have using a variety of GPUs. How the hell do they not have a 3090 just laying around somewhere in their inventory?
charity donations in canada are tax deductible so unless the tax deductions from this auction was also donated it means there was a financial gain in that auction
the thing about giving them a second chance is that you do it at your own peril. lets face it, if they give you inaccurate information, you dont know the subject matter enough like Gamers Nexus to understand the gravity and implications. thats why you're there.
Linus is enthusiastic about tech stuff, but he doesn't REALLY know what he's doing. He's just smart enough to make errors here and there and not good enough of a leader to make sure everything is done correctly and honestly. To be fair, he isn't really a computer building company even though he makes videos doing just that. If he were, he would have to answer for his many mistakes. He's just a computer influencer - one of many.
See I lost all faith in anything LMG had to say waaaaaay back when they promoted that scam product that was claimed to be able to scan a fruit with a stupid light and somehow know it's calorie content, whether it was ripe or not, etc then when thunderfoot called them out they were just like 'well whatever we just thought it would make good clickable content' 😂
The power of recency bias. They did what now a few years ago? Don't remember that, don't care to know about that. Here's my money, you're my heroes now!
Potentially unpopular opinion: Linus Tech Tips isn't, and never was that good. It was all jokes and horsing around with very little solid content, and the more popular the channel became, the more true that was. All the tech channels I follow are passionate individuals who aren't in it to become the most popular, and it shows. As soon as becoming #1 becomes your top priority and you get bitten by the bug of pure ambition, everything else becomes negotiable. As this story indicates.
The most hilarious thing about all of this is how much better would have been if Linus didn't let his ego respond to GN and instead let the PR team to do so. Even a cookie cutter response was better than Linus' response. He got away many times responding to criticism like that and this is the first time he actually got any significant back lash. I'm surprised he didn't announced a new shirt saying "It wasn't sold, it was auctioned" like he has monetized many other "dramas" in the past.
Their reliance on turning criticism into jokes and acting like that = wearing their flaws on their sleeves is so childish - and it worked when LMG was a young fletchling company still growing into its youth. That was like 10 years ago. The company in terms of scale has matured, but Linus still treats it like a needy mother incapable of letting their child build their own future past age 18.
One of the things that irks me so much about Linus's billet labs conclusion is that enthusiasts pay obscene amounts of money for slight performance improvements or unique configurations. Just look at mineral oil cooled PCs from the past. They didn't perform all that much better, they were a massive risk, required special components (because the mineral oil would eat some rubbers/plastics), a special case/fishtank that was prone to cracking/failing, hundreds of dollars of mineral oil, and the components were forever committed to that build because you could never ever get them clean again. Linus even did a video pointing all that out but still liked the idea despite all the impracticality. Versus now where he trashes something that isn't actually all that far away from the mainstream.
@Itsme-sd5buYou say $800 is expensive and his take is right on this "that no one should buy the product". This is an subjective view and not ethical for a (tech) journalist. He simply could have stated (if tested correctly) that the product works as intented (and in his own words: liked how it looked) and mention that is an expensive product for maybe enthusiasts who like these kind of products. And it is not for the mass market. It's that simple.
@@spoonherr But it would have cost 500 whole bucks to test that product so they didnt they bodged it. And said it was crap. Thats a lawsuit all day long, especially after then then sold it
Im sure you like some things that others would think is stupid... you do realize your whole point rests on this not being true. Do you realize how dumb things are right now? This is a mob with the mob mentality going on, you all think you are righteous crusaders when you are taking any and all accusations at face value and wanting to hang the person for it... which always means that you are on the "right" side.
@@spoonherr A lot of what tech journalists do is make value judgements. Gamers Nexus does the same. If it is that simple then maybe you should start doing it and then you can start some drama like Gamers Nexus did to try and take out your competition.
@@Jabarri74 Saying you don't like something doesn't really open you up to a lawsuit or nobody would ever be able to say anything bad about anything. I get that you don't like linus or people that you feel are your betters and want to tear them down but saying a bunch of nonsensical crap isn't going to help your case.
It’s depressing to realize that this is the direction society is heading to: greed and no accountability, if not already arrived there.At least with KiraTV he is doing what he can to hold back the floods and thank you for that. But there is way more of them. Way more of them.
The forum post "we will never discuss this again" type of thing. That is the same move IshowSpeed tried whne he was forced into admitting that he was behind the company launching mass false DMCA to steal other people's money for reporting on his rug-pull crypto scams....What a level to sink to.
Dang, I subbed to them in 2018, as I was fascinated with learning about tech innovations, even though I don't game or build PCs. Like it was cool to learn about multi-teraflop GPUs. Sad that LTT did messed up stuff and was a jerkhole. Also, he shouldn't cover up or prevent anyone's testimony from getting out.
I obviously knew about them but, for whatever reason, never got into that channel. About this time last year I clicked on one of their videos and a few minutes in something just struck me as off-putting/obnoxious - I realized that the whole production was all kinds of 'look at me! listen to me! btw, have you looked at me?!' vibes. I guess my intuition was on to something.
thats what ive been saying to everyone since i was a teenager, since the common phrase, is nonsensical. money brings out the worst. no way, money gives you the freedom to be however you want to be, therefore showing your true face. its just that ppl are naive, and dont want to realize and accept, that the way they knew a person was beforehand, was a scam
Yup, during my times of abundance I discovered that I am incredibly lazy. I had always thought I was a hard working gogetter, but when Covid came and I realized I could literally slide for 3 years…. Wake up at 10, eat pancakes, nap till lunch…
Still getting a bit over 50 million views monthly. I don't think that's the best compared to previous years for LTT but that is by no means "downfall". He went live today and had 2 million views.
LTT is the reason why I was able to build my own PC. Their how-to video was the best I'd found: clean presentation, thorough, detailed, and easy to understand. I checked out a few of their other videos on benchmarks, interesting and unique builds that they did, or other topics relevant to purchasing a new computer, but when I looked at their most recent videos, it was basically daily uploads of random garbage no one would ever care about. Some were entertaining for the novelty or curiosity value, and nothing more. Useful tech tips were few and far between.
Building a PC is like doing some LEGO stuff, if you need an unprofessional little goblin dropping stuff you are the problem. Must be hard putting the same same-looking stuff in same same-looking slots. With your comment, you owned yourself, not more, not less.
@@kaanozkuscu5079 And you sound like a pretentious gatekeeper. Just because you can do something easily, doesn't mean someone else may not need an instructional to do it the first time. You are one of the ones that make the internet a cesspool. I hope you were drunk when you commented and when you wake up sober you'll have regret.
@@kaanozkuscu5079it's not as simple as that especially if it's the first time you've done it, what's the point of your comment trying to make edun of someone?
Short Circut not realizing they needed to peel the protective stickers off the PTFE mouse skates on that Pwnage mouse was REDICULOUS! HOW DO YOU SHOOT A WHOLE VIDEO WITHOUT ONCE CHECKING TO SEE IF YOUR "CRITICISMS" WERE ACTUALLY JUST USER ERROR! I can't imagine working on something like that and still expecting to have a job the next week. You can blame a busy process all you want but at the end of the day: every single employee went along with what was happening. So IMO they're just as complicit as their boss.
Even one of LTT employee said in the interview "I really wish we could slow down. We aren't fighting for survival anymore, we can afford to slow down" They know the problem for a long time but failed to act on it.
The gamers nexus video is truly worth a watch if you care about this topic. There is allegedly much more unethical money stuff, such as investing into company's while simultaneously reviewing their products very positively.
It's good they are transparent about their relationship with the product they review. Unfortunately I think many will not take that into consideration when forming their own opinion if any.@@wnsjimbo2863
The only company he's put some money into was frame work. Even that wasn't all that much. He's pro right to repair, and has invest a bit of money behind what ever legistlation comes out to advance that ability. I have no clue how much he's put into PAC groups any what ever other means he can use to try to get right to repair laws passed. He even has a video explaining why he's redescent to do laptop reviews because of exactly your reaction. lol and before you type it, they man does often come off as a dick. I have no idea what other company he's got money tied up in...oh wait a bunch of money tied to LMG....that's about it. I'm sure gamers nexus made a big stink about that as well. If he's all about rule lawyer acuracy then it's a company. not many companieS.
@@wnsjimbo2863 Sounding a lot like Steve testiclesonfire, really tried to stir a pot because that's his thing. Like the bad batch of motherboards that exploded a singuler batch of a CPU. It was bad enough that happened, and Asus responses were on brand for them. Steve Needstopipedown made sound as if it was the entire fucking line of that specific mobo. Here's a grounding for reality check: if it was something that happen to an entire line of mobo and CPU combos. oh believe me major news outlets would have had their undivided attention, would have schooled Steve on how to kick up a shit storm, and make a major company look like idiots...anyone remember the the problem batches of both almost a year later, because I didn't untill now. It's not unheard of for Chad or Kyle or who ever to buy a few stocks in a company for what ever reason. but like you say: from then on, when their handlers tell them to do a news story, best practices to say they have some stocks in a compete company, but have no problems pointing out flaws or things that piss them off about both.
Because we live in an age where the person with the most views/followers etc. is automatically conferred undue authority/knowledge by the mouth-breathing masses. Linus in particular panders to tech neophytes who don't know any better.
Funny how these companies always go on the offensive until they KNOW they’re backed into a corner and then they give a sobby apology about “doing better” placating BS.
the 500 dollars excuse was so funny for the size of their channel and the money they are making off of it
It still dumbfounds me to think that anyone's got the audacity to take someone else's product, credibility, and even possibly _livelihood_ in their hands to review and then try to justify what a horrid job of the review they've done by saying it'd have cost them what'd amount to a small percentile of what said review would earn them in gain... At that point, Linus might as well have said "Don't buy this turd because we can't be bothered by fact checking if it's made of gold", ruining a small company's image in the process, and then, doing ANYTHING BUT returning that PROTOTYPE to its OWNER. I mean, sociopath-level mentality going on there... Sheesh.
@@RAW_RealityIf your company went down because a bad review on a prototype, then you’re an absolute idiot shouldn’t be starting a company in the first place.
I mean who da fuk stupid enough to invest the company’s and their own entire fortune on a prototype cooler?
Did you think before saying that?
Even more horrible is selling prototype unit sent by a small company, when community asked why., Linus literally said " haha We don't sell it, we actually auctioned it & took money. I mean it's literally the definition of robbery.
it also makes zero sense, because its not even true. They wouldn't be spending an extra $500 to do that anyway, just $500 worth of time. They're all getting paid a salary, likely with "reasonable" overtime stipulations
Can't afford to retest a part? That's literally what they do. They probably would have gotten hundreds of thousands of views on a retest. It's just arrogance on Linus's part, since he tested the part.
Wouldn't spend $500 on employee wages to fix the video.
Lost thousands and thousands of dollars in floatplane subscribers.
Made the national news in Canada. Bet he wishes he spent that $500 now.
Wait this was on the news up there? That's crazy.
@@computaterjones Yep.
If you google Linus Tech Tips CBC, it'll show up.
National news?! Wow. That's a VERY expensive 500 CAD
He will see it all as free advertising. Viewership will increase with his name getting thrown out there.
Honestly, they probably thought they'd just make up everything they lost in a few months.
The mental gymnastics for “We didn’t sell it, we auctioned it” is insane..
It shows true colours of Linus and how deeply rotten LTT's corporate culture is
They literally stole it
@@shanearnold2854 and then auctioned it off to another potential company that could clone it to make for 3090ti's themselves. If billet labs patented that copper block, LTT is not going to have any money.
Practicing to get that $500 he needs.
for the record billet labs said they could keep it. but than changed their mind and wanted it back. than after being told they could get it back the changed their mind and wanted money is what i heard although even without the second part the first part makes this a understandable mistake, had the original plan been to send it back instead of keep it it would or never been auctioned. it was a kind of indian giving/ give take back thing but they had mistakeinly auctioned huge stupid mistake but thats what it is it was not malicious intent like many claim at first the prototype was for lunus to keep. that aside i am not on linuses side dude only cares about money and is fake puts no effort in videos its just make as much crap as you can as fast as you can just stick to the formula and use random graphs and post it because we only care about views nothing and no one else
As a qualified Product Designer I cannot begin to express how damaging it would be for a company to take your one and only prototype, slander it then not give it back to you, and then sell it off at auction. It's actually disgusting and seems intentionally malicious....
It wasn't their "one and only" prototype; it was their best one.
Also known as their only one, if that was the only one they had at the current development then that is the only one they had, other prototypes before it are redundant.@@Okurka.
@@nathanleigh3486 Billet Labs specifically stated that it was their best one, not their only one.
How does product prototyping work if i may ask, and why would past prototypes be redundent? Never looked into the process myself.
Shut up@@Okurka.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself auction off all the trust and good will you've built up over the years.
It takes years to build up trust and a good reputation but it only takes a second to destroy it all.
@@specialsause949, but luckily it takes a bit longer to auction it.
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In reality Linus pride and ego was out of control that was his true demise
Little tiny megalomaniac
Fun fact: The reason they didn't use the 3090 for the waterblock video is because THEY LOST IT. Billet Labs sent them a 3090 specifically to test with, it just got thrown on a shelf somewhere and they couldn't find it before shooting the video, so in classic LTT fashion they just said "whatever, who cares" and made the video anyway. A few weeks later Linus finds the 3090 just sitting on a shelf. However, LTT employees are also known for "borrowing" things from the office AKA "Stealing shit off the shelf without telling anybody", so it's possible after the GN video happened an employee quietly left the 3090 back on the shelf
LTT is fine with employees taking products from the shelves tho. It's good environment they work in, they don't maliciously steal company property and 3090 is a 3 year old product! Why are they making 800 dollar copperware for it?
And I totally agree with Linus approach to this shit product, make it a joke as it is. 800 for piece of copper? Get the fuck out.
Must be Dennis.
Also they received the 3090 Ti from Billet Labs, so the 3090 Ti they lost wasn't even their property. I think this is what happens when you grow a company too quickly, I knew Linus Media Group was going to run into these issues eventually I'm just surprised it took this long.
God, I'm insane. I read "...they didn't use the 3090 ... because THEY LOST IT..." and thought they managed to lose an entire mainframe before remembering that it's talking about a video card.
You would think that you would have everything you need before you start the video.
If you don't, don't do the video.
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I read that - without thought - with Linus' voice in my head 😂
I never had any strong feelings about Linus as a person until a few years ago. I saw a live stream where he and an employee were talking about a graphics card and the employee was really excited about maybe getting to test the hardware and Linus shot him down quite mercilessly, saying that the job would go to someone else and explicitly saying the employee was not competent enough to run a test. The poor guy looked really crestfallen at being called incompetent in front of a live audience.
Linus is not a great manager and clearly not a very nice person.
i hate channels that wear their abuse for their workers on their sleeve, but pass it off as a joke. it's like trying to hide it in plain sight, but it's still actually pretty obvious
@@Basil_Ieafa great manager wouldn't handle that in front of audiance, if that is an intern thing (like it was) and he wouldn't say that he is to incompetent, but he would say that in his position and with his skill now he is unqualified. Sometimes it is just about how and when u say things like that, what majes u a great manager. Because if u do it like this, it will cause a bad working climate, what in the end will end in less quality of the workers. Not only will good workers go somewhere else (i mean if i have a choice why sgould i pick someone like that) even the employes that already there will work often signifcantly more inefficient. And u can do what u want about that, but a bad working climate will cause that. Its psychological. When do u think can u work best? Somewhere where u feel good or somewhete where u feel uncomfortable?
@@Basil_IeafAnd that's the reason for insulting him in front of an audience? Putting him down? That's bad management FYI.
@@Basil_Ieaf oh so you're that kind of bad manager (assuming you are - I hope not - in a position of management) and are missing the entire point of the post. Got it.
Narcissism
LTT - "we test new components, new tests, every time"
Also LTT - I'm not going to apologise for not spending 100, 200, 500 dollars of people's time to re-test
And this is a man with 15 MILLION subscribers and usually at least 600k views on each of their 25 videos a week. Inb4 some Linus fanatics come commenting how many employees he has to pay as if that wasn’t his decision to make.
That's one video I for one can overlook, no where in it because it wasn't a product deep dive, it was litteraly just: is it easy to use, and does it have a market.
Other videos, that did do deep dives, is fairgame for Steve Bitterapple to complain about. That is fairgame...at least to apoint. IMO this little more than a school yard squable and my daddy can stomp your groin harder.
If want to talk about being professional, and conjenial and bluntly just doing the right thing, that'd have been Steve Burke calling and having a private friend to friend chat. not, you know, taking a dump on that friend, for how they run their business on a public forum. that's not at all cool, or ethical. You call them up and say: not cool to dunk on Hardware on boxed, or me, what the fuck is going on man? you know my channel is better deep dives than yours, so what's up? that's the professional and just done way to do things. ie keep the drama behind closed doors where it belongs.
To think that all it took was this one LTT associate bragging during a lab tour about how well they test new hardware unlike Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed. And then allowing that line to make it onto an official upload.
I wonder what the staff members responsible for this feel kickstarting a flurry of criticism against the company they work for.
Not even that part but that they wouldn't test it with the correct component the cooler was designed for it.
@@gorkskoal9315 Here's the thing, it's worse than if they fucked up a regular review to me. It's the only glimpse or source of information on a small company most viewers will ever see, especially given how they mishandled the prototype so badly. They have a responsibility to evaluate the product properly, not just to billet labs, but to their viewers, and all the work they've put into building a reputation over the years.
They've potentially ruined a small company off a snap judgement and done it while farcially failing at properly testing the item in question. Then to add injury to injury, auctioned off the prototype to buyers they haven't managed to track down and retrieve the prototype from. Then, rather than acknowledge the understandable if unacceptable breach of care that resulted in this, they attempted to shift blame to multiple parties they have injured through their slander and libel.
They could have resolved the situation at any point by picking any number of other choices. Like cutting the conclusions when they were in fact informed that a 4090 was not expected to function correctly, and making it an initial hands on video without placing incorrect numbers from an invalid test, retesting it properly, or any number of decisions, including just scrapping the video if it's really not worth spending any more money on it.
Steve calling them out publicly is honestly the least they can expect when they also publicly state that their careless testing is better than theirs. The people who made the entire thing public was LMG, not GN. You don't sit back and let a 'friend' try to destroy your life's work, since you have their phone number. No, you stand up for yourself, slap them in the face, and ask them what the actual hell are they thinking, and then give them the reason you suck speech.
Why they would poke the bear that is Gamers Nexus is beyond me considering how precise GN has been at exposing dodgy companies in the past.
That was my thought to, Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed have some of the most accurate and comprehensive reviews of products.
I've seen it excused by pointing out that the "we're better than GN and HuB" statement was from a tour of LTT labs and published on a third party's YT channel. Still a sign of systemic BS at LMG that the guy even thought to say it.
@@SansNeural To add another layer to it, think about if thats how they talk when not intending for it to be public, but still comfortably saying to strangers. It kind of paints a not great picture.
I can imagine Gamers Nexus when they saw the UA-cam video going full on Robert Downey Jr, Sherlock Holmes calculating the exact point to strike and how long it will take for LTT to recover.
It was a hidden call for help from the staff at LTT labs.
"Always judge a company based on how they respond to criticism" - Linus
as well as "companies are not your friends" and many other quotes of him that have now aged very poorly. Pretty much anything hes ever said on wan show really.
Which with Linus is always go on the attack and not actually fix things. Been around for too much of this shit over the years from him specifically.
"I don't know what cost less, your sandals or your integrity!" _~Steve Burke, GN @The Roast_ :D
But now we know that companies that felt slighted, betrayed, or lied on had good reason. He was lying for the data and destroying reputation.
He put out a video yesterday to reply to the issue. He never admitted to any mistakes and never said sorry.
Many years ago i liked to watch LTT. As they grew, they got what i felt was a snake oil salesman vibe. The bigger they became, the more the profit-making took over what they once had been. I stopped watching them years ago. I guess exceeding a certain amount of profit triggers people who always carried that in them.
I think that is normal and humanly to see the own advantage first, some are mature enough to preserve their integrity over the profit, some just don't...
I think it's more complicated then that. Despite what your average internet chauvinista thinks. Running a business is actually incredibly difficult. Hiring, pay roll, product development, employee management, ect, ect... So much goes into it that most people who try fail and, many of those that succeed only do so because they figure out a way to "cheat". Basically I am saying you assume greed. However drowning men will grab onto anything to stay afloat. Dude thought that because he could do something relatively simple like run a youtube channel. He could run a business. Not so friendo you don't have the skill stack required.
@@ScottOverholt-z5iit's still greed in that scenario, because he chose to actively harm others to stay afloat
My favorite era was when he first moved out of the house-office and started building out the first warehouse and sets.
You’re smarter than most
As for the whole Billet Labs thing, they sent Linus the right video card, so there was no excuse for not testing the waterblock properly, Linus just didn't care.
Wait, Billet Labs sent them the cooling block AND the card?
@@tonyblox Yup, they apparently never gave the card back either if I remember the GN video right
@@monkeyman767 Yep, that's what I recall my housemate saying, too. Just sheer freaking laziness. Or wilful disingenuity.
@@tonyblox Yep they did.
I'm just wondering who stole that card from the office at this point, if they couldn't manage to have it around... XD
When you make “trust based” content, and you manage to break this trust, it really hurts.
The big majority of his audience is completely brain damaged, so I'm not too worried about him.
I'm sure he could stab a little kitten with his screwdriver live on UA-cam and most of these people would still defend him and watch his videos.
Trust is big, but so is sticking to provable facts, and bringing single-sourced accusations into this is poor form IMO. One person making an uncorroborated claim is not relevant and a "witness" of hearsay is not really a witness at all.
@@CAHSR2020 cope
@@CAHSR2020all ex-lmg employees that said something on the matter are supporting her claims
Considering they've been breaking trust and his community has just been forgiving him every time, this was just a water balloon waiting to explode
The way they are handling this, it feels like they're annoyed they got caught.
As a hardware company I'd also never would want to send a prototype their way ever, if that's the care they put into things.
They should have kept posting videos. Keep making content and you'll make it thru
cought part ... so true :D second one .. I would bet they are done. but who knows we live in a really retarded world
@@MikeTsBeesthey probably just took a week for a break, and to review their next 2 weeks to make sure there are less errors lol.
Most of their problems are from speed, and that is why Linus is acting so annoyed. It is something that is stopping him from kicking out content. They're trying to grow like they've always grown: Kick out more and more. However, they are big enough that they are facing diminishing returns. Now throw in the fact they are spending a ton of money on the lab and hiring people to run the labs. The pressures are just all there and this falling down would be inevitable. But even so, man did they crash hard. I hope they can right the ship.
That's the part a lot of their fanbois don't understand. It's not just the public they've lost credibility with. What they did to Billet is gonna have a lot of companies giving second thoughts to working with them.
Linus is the perfect example of the kid who used to get bullied in school becoming the bully.
Tragic fate of a bully victim 😢
@@milagrosalfonso2501 I know who did this but yeah hurt people...... hurt people
It happens to a lot of nerds or socially struggling guys who go ultra successful early. They miss those important 20's 30's maturation years. That's how we got Elon Musk. He's too busy to develop past 23
i mean hes bounced back
Linus has literally become the kind of business person he warned everyone about
Right? I noticed it when he did the "trust me, bro" thing with his backpack. Beware of people preaching one and doing the opposite.
Imo it started with the "adblocking is piracy" (hint: it's not). He made it clear that he is business first, tech youtuber second, (and what is most important) community 3rd. Nobody asked him to become as big as he is, or spin off so many channels. He is a scummy business owner now just right the rest of them. It doesn't matter what steps are being taken to fix this. He has doubled down so many times on his idiocy. I know he won't, but he deserves to fail and lose his business.
@@thauraneDidn't he walk that one back?
Most of the time these angry guy calling everybody incompetant informe more about the guy than the world. My read flag was their power supply test that was so wrong, OMG.
Oathbreaker Paladin in BG3 ~
What he did to Billet Labs breaks my heart. He could have single handedly destroyed their company, putting many people out of a job. There were so many things wrong with his review and his response was so callous and numb. They are a startup in a very competitive field and it seems like he made it personal (maybe there's something going on behind the scenes we aren't aware of). "It makes no sense and no one should buy it." is too far and highly opinionated for someone in his position. Hopefully LTT can turn it around and thanks to Steve and the guys from GN for sticking up for them.
Going that hard against it, especially after being proven he tested it just 100% wrong, tells me he's getting paid by someone else. He can't upset a sponsor that actually pays him that's probably competing with Billet Labs
You’re 100% right about everything that matters, but I don’t think two guys counts as “many people”.
@@robsomethin4415 You're overthinking this. The answer is much simpler: pride. Linus is like pride personified at the moment, just listen to how he talks and read what he writes, the dude thinks he literally can do no wrong. He'll drag his company into the ground with him before he admits he's wrong. And that's probably what will eventually happen unless he takes his head out of his behind and realizes he's become a colossal bellend.
Linus gives up on products and rarely reads the instructions, he says stuff makes no sense and no one should buy it all the time (usually he is correct on those calls), if they didn’t want Linus’s unvarnished opinion they should have sent it to someone else.
If you want a $800 waterblock it is likely to be because it is pretty and Linus’s opinion isn’t going to sway you. As long as they made it obvious they tried to fit it to the wrong card it is more like a video of their old shenanigans than a serious review.
as far as I know They don’t usually auction off the prototypes they were supposed to return so that was new.
@@robsomethin4415 It's probably more he didn't want to admit he was wrong and annoyed at all the people pointing it out he went whole hog in making it out to be bad.
The plastic cover on the mouse feet is peak comedy. How could anyone take their advice as informed?
Yeah if you ever make a mistake at your job you should be fired and never be allowed to do your job again because it is clear that nobody should listen to your advice. Do you see the insanity that your line of terrible reasoning leads to?
@@thomgizzizit's not just a mistake. It was a massive, inexcusable oversight from the people who are suppose to be the best in the business. Now, I'll admit, they shouldn't be fired for an oversight like that (I don't think the original comment said anything about people being fired). But they should have fixed the video instead of just putting a pinned comment and leaving the video up.
A mistake is one thing. Failing to do a extremely simple thing a tech UA-camr should know, uploading the video, realize the mistake but not remove the video is the issue. The fact that they made the mistake is concerning. The fact they didn't fix the video is inexcusable and points to a lack of quality control and basic knowledge from the people who are suppose to be the best of the best
@@googleit1131 If I recall correctly they even tried to deny it first when manufacturer of the mouse brought that up.
First thing I do when buying a mouse is look for any and all protection film. And if it still feels weirdly on the surface when moving, second thing I do is look for any I might have missed, especially on the feet. Been doing that since mice had balls to clean. It's really not that hard.
It's probably cause theyre so rushed and under a tight schedule; Dumb stuff like this happens and it affects their credibility. Very idiotic and hearing their employees speak on what they would like to see changed in the company, they arent even high demands. Companies really lose when they stop listening to their employees and treating them like disposable objects. I mean, just look at most gaming companies...
What made me outloud laugh, was them saying Gamer Nexus, isn't fact checking or doing their "Journalistic" due diligence, but they didn't even follow simple rules for the water block. I honestly don't know how blatant hypocrisy has gotten really out of control in the present, but man people are nose blind to their own shit.
I wasn't aware of the full story, but wow they really did Billet Labs dirty. I mean their incompetence was borderline slander, and selling a prototype, that's espionage.
yeah i have the same thoughts. Billet Labs probably could have a case(not a Lawyer for the record), but i doubt they have the money to fight it in court.
HELLO YOU!
It's even worse, Billet set a 3090 card for them to test with and they misplaced it.
It's amazing how many corners of youtube I find you in😁
I miss your videos that mention Molineux
Linus says GN shouldn't have criticized LTT without giving them a fair opportunity to comment. But it was okay for LTT to criticize Billet Labs without giving them a fair opportunity to comment.
It's NOT OKAY for others to do it. It's completely okay for us to do it☺️
Well they also criticized GN to begin with, by claiming they did better reviews than them and always tested with new data, which was a flat lie.
@@larion2336GN is boring and steve is a clown at best with a voice that drives people mad and most people admit they click for graphs and mute the rest but people fully watch linus from start to finish so ya LTT does better reviews
@@Mattscreative Look at you, showing off big boy pants.
@@MattscreativeBuuuuut - LTT/LMG even admitted their tech reviews were openly based on incorrect data and with no professional attempt to MAKE them properly correct even when time allowed (watch the apology vid and don't talk to me about subtitles, LTT have admitted these weren't good enough) - so what you're saying is you'd rather be entertained than told the truth? Legitimately interested at this point.
I've enjoyed LTT since the start but the bigger he got the more arrogant and disconnected he became; the Billet "review"- from the first scene - was an exercise in arrogance, ignorance, poor management, poor film-making and poor prep. He walked into the studio that day with almost no real prior knowledge of the product, where the team hadn't properly prepped and even admitted they'd done the pre-testing on different equipment than what they gave Linus - and rather than call bullshit on the testing he brushed it off as Billet's problem while also taking, at one point, power tools to the WRONG-SIZED components to make it all fit - that was not journalism, or even a review; that was open egotism and sensationalist broadcasting. A review is where shop-bought components are used to provide real-world data to end consumers, so we know what we can expect when WE buy therm. Also Billet provided the correct GPU along with the cooling block for testing - but the GPU was lost while in LTT possession so they didn't have it available when filming - so LTT decided to test the cooler on the wrong GPU, which Billet are quoted as saying "might work but was untested" (the 4090 has a marked increase in heat output, which LTT didn't acknowledge while also slating the cooler and their poor test results - Billet DO have a cooler designed for the 4090 but this wasn't it) - so the entire exercise was flawed beyond belief. Linus did, at least, note Billet's ingenuity - but this was sent to LTT as a PROTOTYPE - you don't review a prototype, in much the same way as a game in alpha- or beta-testing should not be reviewed in the same manner as the 1.0 release. Billet sent the cooler to LTT looking for constructive feedback; instead their product got bombed - and let's not even talk about the legality of the auction.
GN is NOT an entertainment platform - it's a REVIEW AND INFORMATION PLATFORM. And yeah, Steve IS boring - he provides flat, scientific, mathematical research data, as accurately as he can, for those that need it and want it. Occasionally he's borderline autistic in the attention to detail which can be overloading and off-putting for many. If that's not for you or me, then fair play - but at least he's honest, and the graphs are useful. All UA-camrs who monetise their content have bias - we ALL have bias - but GN at least try to negate that to whatever degree, however successfully. I watch Steve and Hardware Unboxed for information, when I REALLY need to know data - I tend to watch LTT and Jayz2C for the entertainment - but where Jayz2C crosses the border between entertainment and info, Linus has become more and more about the drama and the shock value and to hell with any semblance of realism or reality - all LMG's output is now monetized - they are a MEDIA group now, not just a tech review channel.
Just in case you had doubts about Linus' motivations: LTT's much-hyped screwdriver is $70 - did it ever occur to you that you can buy the on eBay for $5 with more attachments but without the logo - or even from your local hardware store? The dude is a shill, and if he can entertain you out of your money then he's won, and that's become the entire point of LMG - it's a media group after all - the tech is now a side-line, even in the name.
But hey - a least you're entertained, right?
I've just noticed that you also have a UA-cam channel. Congrats on the 20k subs - do you aim to inform, or entertain? It's an important decision. The reason so many people are so angry is that Linus is still portraying himself as a source of information - he doesn't acknowledge that he's become an entertainer instead and is really just going after the money. It's no coincidence that LMG was valued at $100,000,000. And this is why people feel betrayed.
I actually had a business go down because a contractor I was working with "lost" multiple prototype components which were the only copies I had. Since I was financing the startup myself, I couldn't just drop about $5k to replace them, and after I got my first 2 orders out the door, I had to kill the business. Linus probably has no idea how that feels.
I do wonder who had bought the prototype and if there's a way for the company to get it back from the buyer. But I wouldn't be surprised if it were already in some Red-Flagged Asian Country.
@@lolly166541 Billet Labs already addressed this, that LTT was eventually able to track down the buyer (who was an individual, not a company/potential competitor), and when Billet Labs were made aware, they declined to buy it back mainly because they had already spent the funds into remaking the prototype again, and also because they didn't trust that LMG could actually get hold of the prototype and ship it back to BL in a timely manner (also evidenced by the fact that LMG still at the time had not returned the 3090TI that BL had sent them together with the waterblock for the video). Basically they told LMG "don't bother, we don't trust you can be efficient about this and our time is worth more than yours so you can keep it, we have already moved on).
@@lolly166541i would be surprised
Obviously I don't know anything about your situation, or Billet Labs' situation, but why would someone hand off their prototype if they don't have another, or cant afford to replace it? No judgement here, hindsight is 20/20 and all that, and this is coming 100% from an outside perspective.
From your comment it sounds like you were having someone make a component, and then it was never delivered and the maker denied responsibility, which is different from how the Billet Labs situation seems, where they just gave LTT the only copy of that cooler in existence, for free, with only a handshake agreement that it would be returned. Not to judge Billet Labs, we obviously don't know everything that happened or was said, but I definitely would not be that trusting with my business as them.
Lost. He sold them when you weren't looking
He's still mostly successful but his reputation definitely took a huge blow from recent events, especially with the whole issue with Billet Labs. That one particularly pissed me off, Billet Labs is a small startup company with a cool new idea and Linus just stole and sold off their best prototype after slandering the fuck out of it because they used it on a GPU it wasn't even designed for.
Iirc it was made for a 3090, which Billet actually sent them one of. _Where did it go???_ It was never returned either.
The Billet Labs thing was bullshit. Billet sent it to them never stating it was to be returned
@@ziegfeld4131 doesn't matter. they agreed to return it while they still had it
@@ziegfeld4131: "Billet sent it to them never stating it was to be returned"
Who at Billet Labs told you that?
I unsubscribed when this came out. I also no longer watch any of their videos. I can't believe over 15M people are still there. Then again, yeah I can. 😔
They get called out for rushing out their content and they rushed their apology video LMAO
Nor could they take their apology video seriously. If there is one video you really shouldn't be shilling your store on, it's the one where you are apologizing for a major mistake.
@@nendymionat least they didn't pull out the ukulele
I genuinely wish that billet Labs would sue them for defamation and theft.
How is it defamation to say a shit product is shit? How is it theft when Billet Labs gave Linus the product in the first place? 🤡 use your brain.
lmao
@@lurch789 haha bull shit. Also, Billet Labs thing was a joke company making a crap product.
It doesn't matter if they were or not. That's just not the problem.
The complete unprofessionalism from LTT is the problem. They should be held to a much higher standard.
@@KodakYarr No one should be buying that crap product anyways. Overpriced even if it performed well.
Linus sold a $250 backpack. And a $70 screwdriver. And laughed at people who were unhappy with their lack of warranty...
He has always been this guy
It's almost required to be a scumbag and be willing to fuck people over to be as successful as he is. Even on UA-cam, channels being successful by giving actual useful information is so rare. Gamers Nexus should be the one with 15m subs. LTT is a joke
"Trust me bro"
@@DaHitch It just works?
As a guy who knows screwdrivers, he could have bought the 52 in one made in upstate NY and doubled his money for $20 less to customer cost and skipped all the bullshit. I was a tech and became an engineer. I can tell right quick if a tool you have is a good one for doing service work or not. Linus did no one a service with that POS screwdriver. Its just an overpriced fleecing of his followers.
Why so much hate? Looks like everyone has a choice. Don’t watch it. You feel you can do better then do better.
Money doesn't change people. It exposes who they really are!
It does. It absolutely does
@Annoye sure, so all people who are suddenly given power were just assholes even before that. riiiiiiiiiight. makes tooooooooootal sense. mhm
@@NoraNekos7 true
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 ok that's... yeah. I guess
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Basically, yeah. Power (in any form) is what changes people and/or exposes them for what they are.
The fact that he always wanted to be the smartest guy in the room and then, someone always had to explain something to him for him to understand. The money got to him.
Reminds me of when he bought a niche movie camera and complained that it wasn't optimized to shoot hardware reviews.
He just looked at the price tags and assumed the most expensive camera was de-facto the best for his needs.
clearly...he spent a lot of money rebuilding his home ultra-tech mega wifi super air-con to...throw it away and buy a mansion with pool that wouldn't be out of place in a Miami Vice episode...this pretty much matched when the content got worse and he started saying disgusting things, disrepecting his employees in front of everyone
His responses have been like someone who has become a little Hitler and is now out of his depth when dealing with people who don't answer to him
@@fredEVOIX or buying an expensive oversized lab that'll end up being a money sink, just like Floatplane is.
@@fredEVOIX He did what-now? I had a roomie who was obsessed with his tech home makeover series, and he just threw it away sometime after finishing the house? That's actually insane, people dream about getting to build the ultimate dream home through sponsorships and their success, and this guy said "nah, it's overrated" after getting it I guess?
It takes forever to build trust, and only a moment to lose it.
But if you can corner a rabid fanbase then youll survive
Yeah it's like gravity: it'll accellerate you to the ground--the ground (truth) will stop you instantly, brutally. I always thought this guy looked a bit slimy, like a love rat or worse, and deffo a spiv type, that most of all.
Only if you've been dishonest from the start
He still has 15.4 million subs. 15.4 million little meat riders who gobble up his corny antics and misinformation like it's your mom's ass.
So very true.
Ironic. Linus left NCIX because of poor management. Only to become the very thing he left from.
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”-Friedrich Nietzsche
@@Lord_Ralph "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." -Harvey Dent
@@spinlock1785 If you think that you're a fool. You don't know the history of it at all.
They've definitely lost perspective, but they're working on that. We'll see what's come of it towards the end of the year.
@@spinlock1785 that's not true. When he first started out on his own with Luke they cared more than any one else in the space. They were extremally passionate and cared about the audience. That obviously isn't the case now however.
@@AtotehZYou haven't met Linus in real life or at any event have you? Try and talk to him without having a channel with a million subs or more and see what happens. I've seen him shut down so many fans that tried to talk with him because they weren't "popular" youtubers or business contacts.
Go check out what TechYES has to say about Linus and LTT. His video spot on mimics what I see first-hand.
Canadian here - Beware of the Canadian puppy look. It's quite effective, unfortunate but a reality. Linus no exception so becareful of his puppy look and bs apologies.
The whole "not removing tape from bottom of mouse" part was hilarious and an epic fail at the same time.
If this also happens to a tester, many customers will also leave the stickers on and return the product disappointed. This is actually valuable feedback for the manufacturer. But no, LTT is evil right now, so we look for every hair in the soup. Intent! Fraud! ARGH!
Well it's not like they are knowlegdeable at tech or something, how on heaven did you expect them to figure out something so complicated
@@gerhard.seemueller which you conveniently leave out the part that the company sponsor, yes, did tell them this and did find it useful info, *but asked them to redo parts talking about how bad its grip was because it wasn't accurate. Whiiiiiiiiich LTT refused to.*
but nice try attempting to downplay how stupid that was bud.
@@8BitShadow Hm, I haven't read anything about that so far, and that would be rather difficult in a finished video. You can't just cut in completely new scenes that were shot later. I find the annotations in the video or in the comments, as LTT usually uses them, quite transparent, because you see both the original and the corrected version.
@@gerhard.seemueller And if a customer makes this mistake and leaves the tape on they might have a slightly bad time for a little while but they can still...take it off later. It's a dumb mistake that's incredibly easy to fix. This is not an excuse.
Everyone makes mistakes. Not like these. This is industrial strength, unchecked arrogance run rampant. Extra points for poking the one bear with a stick, that has the power to expose you.
Truly, this would never have blown up if not for that one offhand comment taking a shot at a less popular fellow tech youtuber. A blunder for the history books.
The employee who did it is going to be so screwed now, but he unintentionally did a great favor both to Billet Labs and to his past and current coworkers who've suffered abuse at the company. Now that the genie is out, it's going to be hard to silence further public accusations of misconduct.
@@SovietReunionYT to be fair GN has never practiced proper journalistic practices. But none of these youtubers ever do.
@@darschpugs4690 I mean journalism is basically dead, 'journalists' are the biggest jokes around nowadays. Most are just propagandists of one ilk or another.
He's lucky that he just got a sunburn playing icarus flying into the sun.
lol what?@@darschpugs4690
"We didnt sell it, we auctioned it". The victim psychology is real. Also, the whole madison thing. Toxic
Yeah, they took something that wasn't theirs, and gave it to someone else. How they got the money for that and what they did with it is irrelevant at that point. If I rob a bank and then took the money I stole and gave it to charity, I'm still guilty of bank robbery.
"i pledged the money"
the argument wasnt "we auctioned it not sold it" it was "we didnt sell it for profit, we auctioned it for charity"
just somewhat badly worded tbf
booth are bad.. one is objectivly more bad(the sold for profit one)
like once again, its a bad situation, and they REALLY need a better system for stuff like that....
But one is just objectivly a far worse outcome in terms of image damage
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 there's little probably. No one wants to talk there
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 It sucks that you just never know about the honesty and integrity of women in these cases especially in obviously corrupted companies that already look bad(or the women could be corrupted too but playing victim partly to protect their own image), it always seems to only come out around these situations and not much sooner, it makes you wonder how many are just trying to capitalize on the opportunity and how many are being honest. Some of the stuff she's complaining about is literally women being treated equally like men just like women have been saying they want for decades like telling her to put her big girl pants on and be more assertive. Men get things by being assertive and sometimes women don't get that, it's like they think it's literally for existing as men. Men dying in wars among other things was a major reasons men got the vote first, it wasn't literally just for being men like women think. At the end of the day men voted to let women vote, they didn't have to.
The irony is when women got the vote they weren't drafted so men were dying for women's rights so women didn't have to, women are literally the ones expecting equal things without equal responsibility or input JUST for being women. Even morbidly obese women expect equal things like a chance at the most desirable men like pretty women when they could just date fat men, but they don't want to because they're hypocrites. Most spending is actually by women anyway because of spending men's money, still women complain about not earning equally without asking why, but then expect men to earn more, how is that supposed to work? How are men suppose to make equal yet more money when women are going to expect to spend men's money despite making their own anyway? Average women can bang all the top 5% men they want but then when they don't get marriage because they're easy, they just expect average men to wife that and have the audacity to shame men that refuse to when she's likely to cheat and even with proof men are punished in divorce.
It's not hard for women to rationalize over the years that 100% consensual things was 'r*pe' literally for just feeling shame and regret after and then playing 'victim', especially when it happens to be a guy they see as above them in some sense. Women don't get these things at all, what it's like when men are expected to be seen as superiors in some way to get attraction from women to begin with but men are also expected to be the one to make the move knowing they're risking 'sexual harassment' which could be complete BS or women exaggerating something that happened 10-20 years ago or just completely making shit up without evidence. Men just avoid women at work then they complain about that.
Its nice to see that Billet Labs themselves have posted a video (about 10 days ago as of this comment) showing how straightforward it is to properly install the cooler.
Did they also discover a way to make copper more thermally conductive or find an infinite refined copper supply? If not the product still isn't worth it
@@zachmondial2172it not being worth it can only be said after installing the product correctly. While I agree it's not, it's still a mark of shitty work ethics to just, use the wrong card with it and call it absolute shit.
@aveugleman2188 do I have to test out a Gucci belt to say it isn't worth it? It quite literally can't perform better than cheaper products but cost 100s to 1000s of times as much. Why because it's cool not because the value it provides.
@@zachmondial2172 and if your job, that you did for more than 10 years, was to be thorough about belt testing? And that someone sends you one, with the specific pants to use it on, and you manage to lose said pants, complain about not wanting to retest because it would cost you 500 bucks when your entire company is worth hundreds of millions? You'd become a total joke in your field. Same as Linux did.
@@zachmondial2172 *_"Did they also discover a way to make copper more thermally conductive..."_*
You make it sound like that's the only way to increase cooling performance. It's not, not by a long shot.
You missed the email they sent to LTX participants lying about needing their info for tax reasons when trying to track down who purchased the waterblock.
And if they had not done it, they would have been accused of that too....
@@gerhard.seemueller no my point is they emailed everyone and lied to them. They didn't need it for tax reasons but they were trying to find who purchased the waterblock without telling people that.
@@Hellfire8 TBF they had no idea if it did go to a competitor or not *before* sending out the emails.
You think if it was bought by a competitor they'd be willing to say "hey, yea we have it"? Not a chance in hell.
But that being said, it shouldn't of even been out in public...period.
Let alone the fact that LTT just...didn't record who was buying what because they expected the charity runners to do it? When it's not their job?
If that isn't a sign of major systematic problems I don't know what is.
@@8BitShadow I agree with you, loads of systematic failures from within LTT, but lying to their fans and attendees about why they're asking you for your personal information (name address/ what you purchased) in the UK at least that would be dangerous grounds for GDPR.
@@gerhard.seemueller boy you are full of horrible takes
I stopped watching Linus years ago, he has had multiple terrible takes and has an attitude of superiority over everyone else in the industry that I could not stomach. Compared to the Tech tv shows on the now long dead ZDTV who had hosts that came at things from an attitude of education.
same
He’s not the only one. All of their channels have videos and hosts with absolute dogshit takes on so many things and shitty attitudes. I liked them at first but they’ve gotten dumber and dumber with their shit takes and bad journalism more and more. It sucks that the people there that aren’t shitty people have to suffer over this, whomever they may be, but I’d love to see LMG go down. They won’t recover from this and neither should they, they’ve been doing this stuff for far too long and getting away with it.
I blame Canadians
Yup, same here .. used to watch his stuff a few years back then realised I couldn't stand the guy's growing arrogance and something just started to feel a bit 'off' about the channel .... turns out that gut feelings are often quite accurate ....
Same here! It started as a good channel with interesting content about hardware and then moved into a shitshow of hedgelords talking out of their assses.
this was long overdue, and many have seen this coming with the noticeable change in his attitude, arrogance, the quality and obviousness of their scripts. etc.
for all the talented people that are involved and their paychecks i hope that they all bounce back somehow,
but Linus and some others in the company needed to be taken down a couple of notches if they weren't willing or capable of introspection into see what they were becoming.
Completely agree!
I needed help from UA-cam tutorials on building my first pc back when I was broke and still in college. LTT was the most trusted channel when it comes to PC building. But the channel quickly soured the first time I watched it for a few weeks trying to figure out how to build a budget pc as there's this looming smugness with them, mostly Linus. How he would mock and laugh at "inferior" computer parts constantly. And how he always aggressively has this "Oh this processor or this graphics card is pathetic" vibe to him. I was broke, I couldn't afford those thousand dollar pc parts and I wasn't planning on buying them. I built my first PC with the help from the tutorials of other channels. I'm glad I never supported LTT. They always gave me this pretentious and condescending "I'm the expert, not you, got that?" vibe.
What? I've watched him for a long time and he has done plenty of videos on budget hardware, shoot the old build off videos where they only get a small amount of money and have to source what they can to build a competitive gaming computer against the other teams were good. Another thing is with LTT they've always had that joke aspect to them, like to make things funny. Yes of course they've reviewed and done more with the top tier components, that's what companies send they send the newest and greatest products and expect LTT or other brands to review and promote them. I'm not trying to make excuses for LTT and nothing I'm talking about has anything to do with what this video was about, just giving my 2 cents to what you said. Side note did you ever build that PC? Have you upgraded since then?
Oh, you're too fragile to hear honest opinions of computer parts, and you start to cry when you imagine "looming smugness" as though that's an intelligent thing to say? There's plenty of stuff to criticize about these guys but you're just whining about total nonsense based in your own fragility. Sounds like you don't have the strength to brave the internet or the world outside your front door. Oh my god, he criticized computer parts! So smug! And it's so important to call him smug!
Bitwit and PC centric helped me easily understand and build my PC. PC builder, Daniel Owens, Paul's hardware, bitwit, and hardware unboxed have great reviews and help you find discounts. I, like you, moved away from Linus farely quickly and jayztwocents as well.
I think my breaking point was when they did a list of "best budget notebooks for students" thing and every single machine was in the thousands of dollars. The entire channel is just completely removed from reality.
In the end the channel still basically belongs to a company so it makes sense why they would grease up certain cards or cpus to be better than others as it’s just marketing strats.
The extra $500 was their own freakin fault though. Ugh. Glad you posted this.
From what I gather He thought he had worked out how useful it was for the price aggravation etc from what he had seen and he didn’t think any level of performance it would become worthwhile. For old LTT when they were doing all the testing etc mostly for entertainment that would have just been a video of their usual ineptitude. Like dropping water into a server they were making, dropping the CPUs, stabbing it with a screwdriver and then attempting to keep it running long enough to benchmark it.
It clashes with The image they have been trying to build recently and they probably should only be doing that sort of stuff when the project and not the hardware is the focus.
@@glenecollins Old LTT would have still tested it with the intended card AND then tested it on something stupid like the 4090 in the video. And then probably would have hooked it into the whole room water cooling system lol or left it outside in the rain, take your pick XD
@@glenecollins You're in every comment thread defending Linus. Think I found an LTT employee guys. No one else would have this much blind support.
@@mromutt I don’t think Linus has ever done a snow cooled PC how un-Canadian of him.
I thought they did the tests for the episode on the thing they built on screen most of the time and they made some pretty janky rigs. But you are probably right if they had a product they would usually have put it in a test rig and done official benchmarks in a previous show and for listing on the website.
@@Notpoop906 or are you a sock puppet from the LTT haters association? Only a sock puppet would be called notpoop 😜
The Billet Labs situation is really a world class MESS. It's truly shocking to me that it was handled so badly.
They resolved the situation! You're just out of the loop, don't have the most recent information. But I'm not going to judge you for that, because I understand that you're capable of changing your mind based on new information (as Linus is), and when you realize that Linus has righted his wrongs, you're going to feel silly and uninformed. That's punishment enough.
source: trust me, bro
@@A38Hey look, it's Linus' alt account!
@@A38🤡
@@A38 who is this clown?
You missed the part where billet also gave them the 3090ti to use with the block that they then misplaced.
True. There was absolutely no excuse to not have a 3090ti handy when they were GIVEN one to test with.
Im happy to see that I am not the only one who had been feeling disenfranchised with LTT over the last 4-5 years. 10 years ago, LTT was an awesome channel to watch. It really did not take long for Linus to develop a complex though. Stopped watching 4 or 5 years ago, because even then, it was apparent to me that all of the clout and all of the money was going to his rapidly expanding head.
Same here man. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to tech or computers, so when I'm trying to find out if something is worth my money or I just need tech tips, I have to rely on people who know more about things than I do. I stopped watching LTT when it became clear to me that I can't rely on what they're saying, and it certainly didn't help that Linus was lowkey treating his employees like garbage on screen and seemed just like the worst boss I ever had.. the one who got visibly irritated and annoyed by the slightest mistake (or someone simply saying something he didn't like). Linus clearly let all the fame and money go to his head, and to nobody's surprise it made the content worse.
This was just the final nail in the coffin for me. I can't trust anything this guy says anymore after seeing so many lies and attemps to avoid responsibility, and even if I could I wouldn't want to support yet another egotistical idiot who thinks his success is all due to his own brilliance. LTT will keep churning out millions, but at least I won't have to be there to contribute to it.
So they said the no one should buy the copper cooler, yet they were auctioning it (a.k.a. putting it up for someone to buy). That's legit scumbaggery right there.
I think it's a little different to auction it off as "memorabilia from a LTT video" (for charity) as opposed to "a part you would want to use in your PC." Of course he shouldn't have been auctioning off the part at all because it was a prototype the company wanted back, but if that hadn't been the case I don't think what you're saying would be an issue.
There's a difference between not recommending a product at retail price ($800) VS actioning it off to the highest bidder. Even trash has a price point where people will buy it. 🤡
@jasonvoorhees5640 GN?
@@Eamil There's zero moral difference in taking something that's not yours and giving to someone else, just because you gave the proceeds away instead of keeping them. It's still theft, pure and simple. If they're trashing the company at the same time they're stealing their property, that makes it worse, not better.
@@AnimeBeefRandoms pretty much this, people don't want it to use it, the point was to sell it off because they can say they have the item used in a video. I'm unsure why people don't get that rather obvious fact.
Like if I sell off my used underwear on auction, no one would buy it. But if Linus did, some weirdo would do it.
"when it comes to the internet no one is too big to fail" one of the most accurate sentences said in history
a testament that will hold up for the rest of humaity.
I disagree. Linus is too big to fail. They lost like 200k subs, who cares, they have millions. 95% of people wont stop watching them and therefor supporting them. This is nothing in the grand scheme of things and will be forgotten in 3 months.
Nothing is too big to fail in general.
Except the Paul's.
How many scams and scumbaggery have those two been involved in?
Internet? This happens in real life. People see others get big and they get jealous and want to tear them apart. Right now nobody is looking at Gamers Nexus and he isn't perfect but the shit show he started has done nothing but benefit him, and he has pulled this internet drama bs before, he isn't a good guy either. You are just doing the same thing humanity does from the beginning of time, you see somebody who has more than you, you get jealous and you join the mob to rip them apart, the mob that was usually started by somebody that wants to take their place.
This whole time you feel justified and that you are intelligent, when the opposite is usually true.
Billet Labs need to be compensated massively...
Other streamers need to test the 'new' or replaced prototype and give Billet Labs a chance.
I think easiest way would be to create new brand and maybe target different GPU with their product, but yea, they should let the GN to test whatever they make first.
The funny thing is after this drama there'd probably be quite a few channels that'd do it out of pure spite.
I mean the point still stands that unless they found a way to break the laws of thermodynamics the product is not worth it at all. No matter how cool looking and expensive your procut is you can't change the conductivity of copper.
GN probably wanted to test that part real bad.
@@zachmondial2172 copper is one of the top thermal conductors though? what do you mean? i haven't looked at their cooler and how it works but usually gpu heat sinks are made of aluminum which is about 45% less conductive than copper.
The TLDR: LTT is never getting another cool component again. Even if you want to "forgive" that brand, they're now toxic to the types of businesses that previously sent them interesting prototypes to make videos on.
It's not just Billet Labs. NO SMALL COMPANY WORTH SUPPORTING WILL BE WORKING WITH THEM GOING FORWARD.
Who knows... Sadly Linus still has a massive cultist following, so it's hard to turn down any chance to let them review your product knowing that they have such massive audience and have always been, for some reason, seen as the way to go for reviews, an "authority" in the tech media.
Umm idk about that. If LTT had the numbers, small companies will still send them things because of that alone. We'll see though, only time will tell. I will say this does kind of suck, I watch LTT actually watched them for quite a long time now, so to see all this is a bit of a bummer. It's like watching a show you like only to find out it's not going to be picked up for another season haha
i genuinely thought this was going to be the ‘Hard R’ thing
And you speak for them ALL.
Why would you SHAME a small company ever for taking an opportunity like that in the future with one of the biggest channels on the platform? What an insane stand to take. "Fuck you if you ever work with X for whatever reason or benefit, because I hate them now"
The only thing Linus is passionate about these days are how many merch products they can deliver per year. Tech really is secondary to "How many water bottles can we sell this quarter?"
It's just sad.
And screwdrivers .. ..apparently...
then he's surprised and "hurt" that the community demanded written warranty contracts for their overpriced 250$ backpack instead of ther "Trust us Bro" verbal warranty lmfao.
dickhead, you're not a small youtube page, you're a 100m usd corporation, "trust me bro" is not gonna work anymore lmfao
you live long enough to become the thing u hate.. top kek!
Blocked his channel a few years ago. The thumnails for his videos alone are enough to know that the guy is a pleb.
Didn't Harvey Dent say that? You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villian. @@aceous99
The whole appeal to Linus and friends was a geeky, innocent, and most importantly honest reputation. That's never coming back, they're just another money hungry corporation now.
He was trying to lobby UA-cam to charge for 4K content under the pretext of data needed for 4K videos
As Linus himself said, "corporations aren't your friend"
It seems to always turn out that way when people get big...
From the beginning, he took advantage of having the same name as Linus Torvalds. At the time, it seemed like a fairly harmless way to drive up clicks, but in hindsight... I think if you went back there were indications and red flags that honesty was not a priority.
@@HansBjorgman I think if you looked back through his career, the problem wasn't "getting big". Either there's integrity from the beginning or not, it just becomes a lot more visible when they start making lots of money and get caught.
Linus has said many things about how corporations are evil and use people and are just out for money and he not only proved that to be true, he surpassed those claims. Quite the accomplishment.
Linus has not surpassed those things, corporations cannot afford to acknowledge mistakes (usually) and will go as far as settling out of court to reach those ends. Linus DID correct his mistakes, and also literally can't afford NOT to correct his mistakes. So what are you still angry about? Did he remove you from his Christmas card list when he became too big? Do YOU run the startup you're licking boot for?
It's almost like it's the situation that people are in which dictates their behavior, and not the other way around
Just projecting all the time what his moral compass is.
He was atleast not lying, when he admitted at some point, that LMG also is just a company and not the viewers friend...
I think that was even during one of the hot takes against Nvidia, back when they tried to force all brands to create sub-brands for AMD cards (like Asus did with AREZ)
"Except the corporations who pay me and send me loads of free hardware and the corporations which provide the platform for me to profit"
Well this didn't age well.
Ltt recovered soo easily & quickly that most people just forgot about the issues 😭😭
I don't think anyone forgets put people are good at forgiving if they fix there problems
This is what happens when you turn your brand in a content farm.
Can’t say I’m surprised.
Linus was bearable in the earlier years… he’s just plain obnoxious now.
Some of his team are quality though and outshine him at every step.
Anthony! We're looking at you, big guy. I watch everything Anthony makes. If he did his own Linux thing and left LTT, I'd sub to him alone.
@@Klokinator btw Anthony came out as trans (and is now Emily)
I will agree that the other host on his channel are great every time Emily (formerly Anthony) had a video I knew there was going to be information but you could always tell it was rushed.
@@formbioh… well that’s a surprise. Hope she gets treated well at LMG, considering the circumstances…
The same exact fate befell on RoosterTeeth with quantity over quality after going Public. It looks like its obvious to just prioritize objective quality for the most healthy dynamic, though money and/or greed warps that balance in the worst ways
5:30 There's a detail about the Billet Labs saga that you missed. Apparently, BL sent LTT a 3090ti with the prototype, but LTT "lost" that card, and didn't have another to test on (despite all the GPU testing they do). At best, this suggests terrible stock control. At worst, it suggests something I won't say because it would be libellous.
Go ahead and say it. We now know that all you have to do to absolve yourself of any and all responsibility is to just make a small comment about it somewhere else in the comments.
@user-ss1ok1nr6l if LTT wanted to up their apology game to the next level, they should do an EA / ActiBlizz / Bethesda / Ubisoft-type "solemn GIF apology" as well...
It's close to fraud. Losing someone's hardware is just sloppy. Knowingly testing a product with the wrong video card, which the company even sent you, being too lazy to look for it or too cheap to replace the product you lost, and then still making money with a video review calling the product bad even though the company specified in advance that the product would not work on any other hardware is just plain intent to harm a company.
its simple they either lost the card, or figured they would get better hits on their video if they did a negative review or used a 40 series card. instead of a 30 cough cough. Its possible maybe they didn't lose the card at all and are running something scummy in the background. Either way its hella fishy.
@@tcpratt1660imagine pulling up something completely unrelated to the conversation
LTT changed from fun and informative to a unengaging production line sometime around 2016. Since a couple years I get my component reviews from other channels.
I feel like they don't take their reviews seriously anymore
I watched every video in the past, but over the last 3 years, I’ve lost all interest. It turned from tech tips to more of a business often showboating his wealth.
I stopped taking him and Jay both seriously. I can't stand how much of shills these guys are. It's pretty bad when I go to Vex, who is a new youtuber for my tech info.
They put so much videos no one can watch them all anyway.... I don't get the point...
no one cares what you do my guy
Two months later and they are doing fine. Still hiring. Still making videos. As predicted, the vast majority of their viewers don't even know this happened and of those who do most simply don't care. So much for all the "they are never coming back from this" comments.
how many other channels will colab with him now? long term this will have and effect
@@Revkor Doubt it.
@@Revkor2 more weeks
Their views are way down and they have smaller sponsors. They are alive, but they didn't recover.
@DemonLordSparda they consistently got over 1 million views over the past 10 days. I want the crack you're smoking.
You missed the fact that Billet labs did not want to disclose to the public how much the prototype was worth and LTT didn’t blur out the amount they requested in the Email shared in the video.
LTT editited their video to take the amount out after the fact.
At rhis point you can no longer justify soo many issues as incompetence. Either Linus or a top employee was hellbent in destroying that company.
You're right, totally slipped my mind
@@KiraTV1well, I guess you should edit your own video
@@gutwallst6645 Gottim!
@@KiraTV1 Should have posted this response on your patreon :P
What they did to Billet Labs is more than drama, it is outright criminal. I dont believe it was an accident because he treated them with such contempt.
Yeah. You know that if none of this had come out this would have been absolutely swept under the rug and allowed the continuation of a really, really shitty practice.
What conspiracy would make them auction something a tiny company said they wanted back? No matter what the review???
I enjoy a good conspiracy theory but given all the other issues with obviously rushed crap, poor oversight and poor communication people screwing up and it getting stuck in with the stuff to be auctioned seems way more likely.
@@glenecollins What conspiracy exactly. Where did this line of thinking even come from?
@@glenecollins I'm not claiming conspiracy, I'm saying I don't think it was an accident due to the utter contempt he shown them. It was deliberatly handled with disregard.
That attitude, I suspect is why when they auctioned it off because they didn't handle the product with any respect. They thought they could just ignore them and get away with it because for whatever reason they clearly looked down on them.
@@CaspianNomad that is less exciting, I really don’t think that is the case though, it could be why nobody took ownership of it and assured it got back to the owners but I read what you said as they actively put it into the pile for auction because they didn’t like the company.
They have gotten in trouble from bigger companies because something they were supposed to send back got into a video months later sitting around the lab or repurposed.
I knew something like this would happen eventually after linus called adblocking piracy.
Moneygrubbers gonna grub the money, no doubt. Although, I gotta say, that Billet situation was way beyond the money, that was downright spite.
True. For me the "adblocking is piracy" controversy highlighted how bad Linus is at communicating with his audience.
@@kartikmanogar5828 bruh if adblock gave me money, id have been living on a private island now.
linus be having that crack brain rot.
Its a real shame they weren't sued into the next dimension, or charged with some kind of crime for what they did to Billet
Hmm almost like there wasn’t legal recourse for them. Weird. 🤔
crazy as f. dudes a scumbag
@@rrxyzrr What's wrong with being effeminate? You're saying it as if something's wrong with it.
@@drakesilmore3760psst... it's low key calling someone a phag.
You do realize the original deal was they didn't have to give anything back, the were asked to and agreed that's when the problem started, they were under no legal obligation to do so.
Money doesn't change people, it unmasks them
I would say money is more like alcohol.
@@mromutt I would say alcohol costs money
@@mromuttI would say alcohol is more like a poision that binds to gaba A, nmda, VGCC, 5ht3 and blocks b1 absorption. money Dosen't do that
Gamer Nexus is THE place to find factual and professional information about tech.
LTT is popcorn entertainment at best, their response is expected.
Linus is finished, his credibility is down the sewer now
LTT isn't even worth the time of day. At this point they're worse than the Verge because at least the Verge recognizes mistakes and attempts to correct them. Remember what GN and even LTT have said "it's not the mistakes it's how you handle them", and Linus has revealed how scummy he is and the trickle down effect of his personality and environment throughout the company.
I don't trust gamers nexus either if you don't understand why you are part of the whole problem
@@mastrjedii7863 Then prove me wrong. I'll be waiting. Otherwise that whole comment was a waste of calories. Go touch grass.
@@donut3110 prove what wrong didn't comment on a comment made by you, but your passive aggressive response is a great indicator.. no response required
You can tell what kind of person Linus is when you see Luke and everyone walking on eggshells around him constantly.
Interesting observation... they definitely seem to be subservient, but then again, they are supposed to be, a company isn't a democracy, it is a dictatorship. If true, then Linus must pay them extremely well, as they have been with him for a long long time.
Like when?
I can understand Luke's POV, he's been with him for so long, he would be the last person to say bad things about Linus. Loyalty for that long is hard to comeby
Reminds me of Steven Crowder...minus the gay-love.
I'd say the wife could be a vindictive battleaxe too if you crossed her or threatened the company in any way.
im watching this a month late. so, in hindsight, they released the apology, stopped making videos for 1 WEEK, and have since made 16 new videos (in 3 weeks). so... are they claiming to have "fixed" all their problems that were raised in 1 WEEK? hmm...
Gamers' Nexus opened the floodgates.
Linus, himself, sealed it open with his response.
However, credit (if you want to call it that) to Madison and whomever leaked the meeting on Reddit for just destroying the wall and letting all the damage go through.
One can hope that this damage can make the entire tech UA-camr sphere better.
Does this stop Quantum TV from being an a** for as trivial as saying his bald head doesn't look good?
No one stays on top forever. It always hurt me seeing people change because of money.
It hurts me seeing people get out of trouble cause they have money
They still are on top, objectively. The whole controversy has done alllllllmost nothing to their numbers which have already bounced back.
@@JD-xz1mx If you're talking about pure numbers, yeah sure. But if we're talking about credibility in the PC enthusiast community they have basically fully depleted that over the last few years, this was just the final blow. They are nothing more but an entertainment channel who advertises things of the highest bidder. Also in the eyes of the tech youtubers they are basically done and gone as well, they lost all their biggest allies and friends in this area.
Might not seem very significant, but losing support of the most dedicated part of their community that would make their most stable and loyal audience is something that will eventually hurt them. It puts them at the whims of UA-cam algorithm and the normies who don't know much about tech. That is the kind of an audience that is easily eroded. So, while they might not be seeing much impact now, if nothing changes they will continue to be disowned by the very community that would be the most interested in their content, leading to eventual decline of the whole channel.
The billet lab situation was downright personal. What were they thinking
it's like 5 blunders in a row, I don't see anything personal here
Blunders? 5 in a row? That's a whole lot of things that have to go wrong at once.
Why would Linus then say "Even if we used the proper video card and it performed like it was stated to by the company, nobody should ever buy it." if he wasn't trying to sabotage them?
I wonder how much money he got from Nvidia or Intel to say that.
@@xantishayde-walker4593 Dude said the product was trash using the wrong hardware and then sold it off anyway. if the product was trash why auction it? you said no one should by it so why sell it?
@@TGPDrunknHick yeah really suspicious response
I was an IT professional (now retired) and I had watch Linus Tech Twat maybe 10 times in total and once since 2014. I believe he should have grown up and stopped behaving like a child even before 2014.
Old adage, _Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely_ where he we could change the word _power_ for *_influence._*
Stop hating. He still has more money than you sooooo.... 🤷
@@raynel8495 Oh whoopdee shit. My neighbour's cat has more money than me but unlike linus it is honest and friendly. Money just allows you to buy crap and linus appears to have been buying lots of that because he is so full of it. Et tu -Brutus- @raynel? 🤷♂
Influence is power, no word change necessary.
They sold it at a charity auction because it increases their tax write off. They couldn't keep the money from the sale of the product but they could reduce their tax liability from it so they still made a profit.😢
Don't forget that giving (other people's money, oh, the irony) to charity is also good for the brand image. It is hard to quantify but has evident value. That is if you don't pull a reverso on yourself, to say it politely.
They sold it at auction because they made modifications to it , and being a prototype under copywrite once they did so and Billet wanted it back , had they simply given it back they would have been in court being sued for the next 50 years . they screwed up then tested their screw up and when the test of course came back squid they blamed the MFG. Actually it looks much more like they went out of their way to end Billet Labs , business indiscretions at their best . Linus has had a long history of making sexual inuendoes no wonder his company does the same and it's the big players too his closest employees , no kidding . His company needs to be investigated by the authorities for tax evasions and inside trading as well as R.I.C.O.
The idea of massive charities - which have become more of a corporate business than helping out of kindness - should end. Especially when big charities are basically another way to launder money or for tax avoidance.
Don't forget, there's so ad revenue from recording the auction event.
@@Pumkin932 The American Redcross raised 5,000,000,000 for the Haiti earthquake
They built 6 houses with that money
People need to wake up and stop donating money to MEGA Corporation/Charities and donate to local grassroots efforts
I stumbled on a couple of LTT videos years ago that were relevant to a topic I was looking into at the time that I was relatively unfamiliar with. And those seemed really well done and informative. So I subscribed to the channel and started watching a lot more of their stuff. But I soured on the channel pretty quickly. After watching quite a few videos dealing with things I was already intimately familiar with it became obvious that these people holding themselves up as tech experts had only a very cursory understanding of most of the things they were offering authoritative takes on.
How that channel ever became the gold standard for all things PC/Tech/Gaming related is actually pretty baffling.
This, so much this. He rose to fame doing "What is a USB" kind of videos and made a ton of them, on so much of topics, it is impossible to be an expert in all of them. And no, it is not a gold standard, just the normies, that actually don't have a single topic to caught him being superficial, watch him as their only source of information.
Basically, his TikTok-style energy and jokey, casual presentation style made him popular with people that don't watch tech videos. And, a lot of them ended up sticking with his corporation's content because it's easy to consume and then passed it onto other people, presenting it as highly accurate and reliable to other folks that didn't know any better. And so on and so forth.
The other issue is, folks generally don't like to accept being wrong. . I've had folks I know come to me for advice on buying components, trying to pick from some examples in some LTT video. I'd show the numbers from far more reputable places (sometimes, just GN...other times, multiple links to several other places at once) and offer my advice on what to purchase instead. While, sometimes, people did listen...I've also been accused of trying to scam them by linking content from "those frauds".
@@ShroudedWolf51 So few people are open to improving their plans by accepting feedback and additional information from other people these days. A while back a friend of mine decided to build his first custom-loop water cooled PC by hard-lining the CPU and GPU in an Enthoo Shift. Couldn't talk him out of it no matter what, and the final system was noisy, ran hot, and the tubing was so obstructive and complex that any maintenance procedure you can think of took an extra 4 hours to complete. Worst still, the GPU he ended up with was 1070 - if he'd left the water cooling and stupid case out his budget, he could've had a 1080ti.
I agree. As an actual electronics and computer tech I've never been a fan of LTT. Like you, in the beginning, I watched several of his videos and and started thinking "wow - this guy doesn't really understand what he's talking about!". That's why I never subscribed to LTT and never watch his videos. There aren't any tech related channels I watch on a regular basis. It's not because "I know everything" (no one does), but most of the time I get irritated when I see these so-called "techs" sticking their fingers all over various computer PCBs and never bothering to use grounded wrist straps. If a "tech" channel doesn't even use proper component handling techniques I'm not going to watch it.
Canadian is a good title that everyone blindly trusts.
I cannot think of a channel that would make a more devastating enemy than GN. They have the highest level of trust from their community that any channel can have.
Sadly, they got dragged pretty hard by the LTT fanboys in LTT's subreddit. Which is to be expected a little bit, since that is basically friendly territory for Linus. But it shocked me to see some of the mental gymnastics on display in those threads.
@@Aneurenit's going both ways for sure.
@@Aneuren Yeah its so sad when Gamers Nexus kicks a competitor when theyre down with exxagerations and drama..went above and beyond to make LTT look bad.
Im honestly shocked to see all you commentors.
Are all of you kids? Im serious.
The way Steve handled that controversy, in my opionion...huge mistake.
And also, did any of you watch LTTs 40 minute video or just Steves?
Cos I watched them both and Steve was not honest.
Im gonna believe Linus all day before Steve. Please.
Yall are what they call....turncoats?
@@metaldreams3595are you for real X)
How does the boot taste@@metaldreams3595
This aged like milk. 😅
Right
The video is a snapshot in time where LTT had to change their approach to many things. Even if they’ve addressed those subjects since then, it doesn’t mean this video aged poorly.
Don’t let your sentimental feelings get in the way of objective truths acknowledge by Linus himself. Doing so is delusional to an infantile degree.
LTT is sadly the story of a boy who dreamt big, actually managing to achieve the dream, and then seeing that their dream turned into a nightmare because they lost focus of what they (and the viewers) really cared about, the cold hard truth....
And LTT also fell to the "everything is simply not enough" disease that corporations and some very sick/rich individuals succumb to.
You hit the nail on the head. I do hope LMG does not collapse though as I don't watch them for hard numbers anymore and they are purely for nerd entertainment value. For hard numbers I stick with tech jesus/GN, jay, and hardware unboxed.
What nerd doesnt care about number ? I mean...@@gumbus75 , sadly it happens everywhere. Linus 100% not hitting rock bottom or forgot where he came from.
With his personality, it might never have a chance for a 2nd coming/reflection.
It turned into a nightmare because he became an arsehole
Destroying a company without any remorse. Wow.
Chat gpt can write better apologies than Tech
wow, poor company.. does she need a doctor to heal it or something?
@@Xihrzah people run companies, so yes you can literally destroy people's lives by doing what LTT is doing, honestly if I had a product I wouldn't want LTT to get within 100 yards of it. If you spent years working on something, just to have someone you might have admired shit all over it, then tossed your work aside in front of the world, you'd feel worse than bad too.
MORON!@@Xihrzah
@@simple-human-being capitalism baby! cope with it!
I also remember L accusing people that use adblockers as being pirates. I watched L since before LTT, and a few years into LTT. It became children's channel quality (which is ok, just not for me) and I moved on. L is set for life so I won't shed any tears if his company totals which I don't think it will.
No way, adblock users are pirate?? How I don't understand 😂
I don't want the garbage to litter my webpage how is it piracy... Its literally trying to help stop spammers and pop ups to show unnecessary and adult content bullsht
If the addon is in the browser's store they have no excuse for saying it's piracy. impacting their business sure but, Piracy is actually illegal.
@@TGPDrunknHick That take of Linus' has to be one of the most clear-cut cases of him publicly announcing that he only cares about the money. If there's any money to be possibly made, he thinks he deserves all of it.
What _really_ pissed me off when it came to that absurd piracy stance was that about the same time he did videos about handheld PCs you could buy instead of a Nintendo Switch because _"Look! They can _*_also_*_ run Nintendo Switch games!"_ And no, emulation is not illegal, nor should it be, but getting your Switch games onto that PC _will_ involve actually stealing them.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! The "you ad blocker-users are all pirates" claim!! It was so pathetic hahahahaha. So much fun watching that while on Brave Browser
I used to love LTT, but between the Billet Babs situation, the backpack warranty situation, Linus' views on ad-blockers, his own political views, and all the mistakes and fast speed of the videos, they managed to actually make me disgusted looking at their channel. And I feel bad because at one point they were the go-to channel and I would watch videos I had no real interest in just to learn about something new. For me personally, their reputation is irreparably ruined.
Which political direction does he lean?
5:30 I've heard that Billet Lab also shipped a 3090 alongside the cooler for them to test it with, but they apparently lost the 3090. Unfortunately I have no source on it, but I have heard it being discussed. But even then, considering the amount of material they review and the many video they have using a variety of GPUs. How the hell do they not have a 3090 just laying around somewhere in their inventory?
charity donations in canada are tax deductible so unless the tax deductions from this auction was also donated it means there was a financial gain in that auction
the thing about giving them a second chance is that you do it at your own peril. lets face it, if they give you inaccurate information, you dont know the subject matter enough like Gamers Nexus to understand the gravity and implications. thats why you're there.
Linus is enthusiastic about tech stuff, but he doesn't REALLY know what he's doing. He's just smart enough to make errors here and there and not good enough of a leader to make sure everything is done correctly and honestly. To be fair, he isn't really a computer building company even though he makes videos doing just that. If he were, he would have to answer for his many mistakes. He's just a computer influencer - one of many.
I always felt that they bullied that Asian kid that had a really heavy accent, and that guy that they gaslighted about having poor eyesight
See I lost all faith in anything LMG had to say waaaaaay back when they promoted that scam product that was claimed to be able to scan a fruit with a stupid light and somehow know it's calorie content, whether it was ripe or not, etc then when thunderfoot called them out they were just like 'well whatever we just thought it would make good clickable content' 😂
The power of recency bias. They did what now a few years ago? Don't remember that, don't care to know about that. Here's my money, you're my heroes now!
It is not a sponsored video but here is our screwdriver
Potentially unpopular opinion: Linus Tech Tips isn't, and never was that good. It was all jokes and horsing around with very little solid content, and the more popular the channel became, the more true that was. All the tech channels I follow are passionate individuals who aren't in it to become the most popular, and it shows. As soon as becoming #1 becomes your top priority and you get bitten by the bug of pure ambition, everything else becomes negotiable. As this story indicates.
What's funny to me is that they monetized their apology video and then stopped it after the backlash.
Monetization is something that is automatically turned on.
@@AL-lh2ht takes a single click to turn it off. why make excuses for such scummy behavior?
@@AL-lh2ht Lot's of tech tubers demonetize their video if it is inappropriate.
@@AL-lh2htnot an excuse, they can turn it off. If you're making a fake ass apology, may as well do it correctly.
@@AL-lh2ht Is this supposed to be used in their defense, lmfao? You should be a lawyer
The most hilarious thing about all of this is how much better would have been if Linus didn't let his ego respond to GN and instead let the PR team to do so. Even a cookie cutter response was better than Linus' response. He got away many times responding to criticism like that and this is the first time he actually got any significant back lash. I'm surprised he didn't announced a new shirt saying "It wasn't sold, it was auctioned" like he has monetized many other "dramas" in the past.
"Tomorrow! Tomorrow!! I love ya, tomorrow!"
Their reliance on turning criticism into jokes and acting like that = wearing their flaws on their sleeves is so childish - and it worked when LMG was a young fletchling company still growing into its youth. That was like 10 years ago. The company in terms of scale has matured, but Linus still treats it like a needy mother incapable of letting their child build their own future past age 18.
One of the things that irks me so much about Linus's billet labs conclusion is that enthusiasts pay obscene amounts of money for slight performance improvements or unique configurations. Just look at mineral oil cooled PCs from the past. They didn't perform all that much better, they were a massive risk, required special components (because the mineral oil would eat some rubbers/plastics), a special case/fishtank that was prone to cracking/failing, hundreds of dollars of mineral oil, and the components were forever committed to that build because you could never ever get them clean again. Linus even did a video pointing all that out but still liked the idea despite all the impracticality. Versus now where he trashes something that isn't actually all that far away from the mainstream.
@Itsme-sd5buYou say $800 is expensive and his take is right on this "that no one should buy the product". This is an subjective view and not ethical for a (tech) journalist.
He simply could have stated (if tested correctly) that the product works as intented (and in his own words: liked how it looked) and mention that is an expensive product for maybe enthusiasts who like these kind of products. And it is not for the mass market.
It's that simple.
@@spoonherr But it would have cost 500 whole bucks to test that product so they didnt they bodged it. And said it was crap. Thats a lawsuit all day long, especially after then then sold it
Im sure you like some things that others would think is stupid... you do realize your whole point rests on this not being true. Do you realize how dumb things are right now? This is a mob with the mob mentality going on, you all think you are righteous crusaders when you are taking any and all accusations at face value and wanting to hang the person for it... which always means that you are on the "right" side.
@@spoonherr A lot of what tech journalists do is make value judgements. Gamers Nexus does the same. If it is that simple then maybe you should start doing it and then you can start some drama like Gamers Nexus did to try and take out your competition.
@@Jabarri74 Saying you don't like something doesn't really open you up to a lawsuit or nobody would ever be able to say anything bad about anything. I get that you don't like linus or people that you feel are your betters and want to tear them down but saying a bunch of nonsensical crap isn't going to help your case.
It’s depressing to realize that this is the direction society is heading to: greed and no accountability, if not already arrived there.At least with KiraTV he is doing what he can to hold back the floods and thank you for that. But there is way more of them. Way more of them.
wait wait wait Linux is doing sexual harassment what does that have to do with tech at all?
I am so confused😭😭😭
but i saw a few comments defending Linus and start mocking Internet Anarchist who also a made the same vid
Even in their apology video, Linus STILL tried to justify his behavior. What a joke!
Linus "The Fixer" Tech Tips ^.^
And threw in what amounted to 'This hurts my feelings to be called out, so shut up!'
The forum post "we will never discuss this again" type of thing. That is the same move IshowSpeed tried whne he was forced into admitting that he was behind the company launching mass false DMCA to steal other people's money for reporting on his rug-pull crypto scams....What a level to sink to.
Apology was damage control his wife made him do. His apology wasn't sincere
That apology video...what the holy fuck? That screams how they really are. So glad I never subbed to them or even gave them that much of my time.
Dang, I subbed to them in 2018, as I was fascinated with learning about tech innovations, even though I don't game or build PCs. Like it was cool to learn about multi-teraflop GPUs. Sad that LTT did messed up stuff and was a jerkhole. Also, he shouldn't cover up or prevent anyone's testimony from getting out.
I obviously knew about them but, for whatever reason, never got into that channel. About this time last year I clicked on one of their videos and a few minutes in something just struck me as off-putting/obnoxious - I realized that the whole production was all kinds of 'look at me! listen to me! btw, have you looked at me?!' vibes. I guess my intuition was on to something.
Money and fame doesn't change a person, it allows that person to be their true self.
excellent job turning a dumb platitude on its head to make a far better point.
@@2070cube Thank you.
thats what ive been saying to everyone since i was a teenager, since the common phrase, is nonsensical. money brings out the worst. no way, money gives you the freedom to be however you want to be, therefore showing your true face. its just that ppl are naive, and dont want to realize and accept, that the way they knew a person was beforehand, was a scam
Yup, during my times of abundance I discovered that I am incredibly lazy. I had always thought I was a hard working gogetter, but when Covid came and I realized I could literally slide for 3 years…. Wake up at 10, eat pancakes, nap till lunch…
the same could be said about alcohol
Still getting a bit over 50 million views monthly. I don't think that's the best compared to previous years for LTT but that is by no means "downfall". He went live today and had 2 million views.
>does test wrong
>people get upset
"I'm just to good to do it properly"
that is a very bold stance to take on this
LTT is the reason why I was able to build my own PC. Their how-to video was the best I'd found: clean presentation, thorough, detailed, and easy to understand.
I checked out a few of their other videos on benchmarks, interesting and unique builds that they did, or other topics relevant to purchasing a new computer, but when I looked at their most recent videos, it was basically daily uploads of random garbage no one would ever care about. Some were entertaining for the novelty or curiosity value, and nothing more. Useful tech tips were few and far between.
Building a PC is like doing some LEGO stuff, if you need an unprofessional little goblin dropping stuff you are the problem.
Must be hard putting the same same-looking stuff in same same-looking slots.
With your comment, you owned yourself, not more, not less.
@@kaanozkuscu5079 And you sound like a pretentious gatekeeper. Just because you can do something easily, doesn't mean someone else may not need an instructional to do it the first time.
You are one of the ones that make the internet a cesspool. I hope you were drunk when you commented and when you wake up sober you'll have regret.
@@kaanozkuscu5079it's not as simple as that especially if it's the first time you've done it, what's the point of your comment trying to make edun of someone?
@@kaanozkuscu5079 Yeah, not everyone is a Computer nerd.
honestly LTT is like the network television show that just wont end. even after 15 years.
Short Circut not realizing they needed to peel the protective stickers off the PTFE mouse skates on that Pwnage mouse was REDICULOUS! HOW DO YOU SHOOT A WHOLE VIDEO WITHOUT ONCE CHECKING TO SEE IF YOUR "CRITICISMS" WERE ACTUALLY JUST USER ERROR!
I can't imagine working on something like that and still expecting to have a job the next week. You can blame a busy process all you want but at the end of the day: every single employee went along with what was happening. So IMO they're just as complicit as their boss.
Even one of LTT employee said in the interview
"I really wish we could slow down. We aren't fighting for survival anymore, we can afford to slow down"
They know the problem for a long time but failed to act on it.
Thank you for pointing out@@gravity00x
@@gravity00x that was a typo. he meant to say "every one", not "even one". that's kinda... obvious?
@@gravity00x "Even one", followed by "they". I think they typo'd "every" instead, or isn't a native English speaker.
The gamers nexus video is truly worth a watch if you care about this topic. There is allegedly much more unethical money stuff, such as investing into company's while simultaneously reviewing their products very positively.
They call him tech Jesus for a reason. The man holds himself to a very high standard.
There is no unethical money when he tells you he owns part of the company that makes the laptop
It's good they are transparent about their relationship with the product they review. Unfortunately I think many will not take that into consideration when forming their own opinion if any.@@wnsjimbo2863
The only company he's put some money into was frame work. Even that wasn't all that much. He's pro right to repair, and has invest a bit of money behind what ever legistlation comes out to advance that ability. I have no clue how much he's put into PAC groups any what ever other means he can use to try to get right to repair laws passed. He even has a video explaining why he's redescent to do laptop reviews because of exactly your reaction. lol and before you type it, they man does often come off as a dick. I have no idea what other company he's got money tied up in...oh wait a bunch of money tied to LMG....that's about it. I'm sure gamers nexus made a big stink about that as well. If he's all about rule lawyer acuracy then it's a company. not many companieS.
@@wnsjimbo2863 Sounding a lot like Steve testiclesonfire, really tried to stir a pot because that's his thing. Like the bad batch of motherboards that exploded a singuler batch of a CPU. It was bad enough that happened, and Asus responses were on brand for them. Steve Needstopipedown made sound as if it was the entire fucking line of that specific mobo. Here's a grounding for reality check: if it was something that happen to an entire line of mobo and CPU combos. oh believe me major news outlets would have had their undivided attention, would have schooled Steve on how to kick up a shit storm, and make a major company look like idiots...anyone remember the the problem batches of both almost a year later, because I didn't untill now.
It's not unheard of for Chad or Kyle or who ever to buy a few stocks in a company for what ever reason. but like you say: from then on, when their handlers tell them to do a news story, best practices to say they have some stocks in a compete company, but have no problems pointing out flaws or things that piss them off about both.
Linus has always been suspect and I've never understood how it became the "standard".
I agree. He's just a shop technician. He's not what I would call a full IT professional.
Because we live in an age where the person with the most views/followers etc. is automatically conferred undue authority/knowledge by the mouth-breathing masses. Linus in particular panders to tech neophytes who don't know any better.
@@lint8391 lol ya because no one is capable of understanding things or learning about tech unless they are are an "IT professional"
It was fun and new at the time. Plus, it's been around for a long time.
@@AbBc-w4qLinus certainly didn't learn, so there's that.
Funny how these companies always go on the offensive until they KNOW they’re backed into a corner and then they give a sobby apology about “doing better” placating BS.