Doom Eternal Has Already Been Completely Broken

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    Doom eternal has only been out for a few weeks, but speedrunners have already distmantled it beyond recognition. Today I will cover the most game breaking explot called 'slope boosting'. I'll cover more mechanics in upcoming videos.
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  • @DrTacoPHD665
    @DrTacoPHD665 4 роки тому +2100

    Any run category that uses out of bounds glitches needs to be called Doom External

    • @bengineer8
      @bengineer8 4 роки тому +16

      Milk YES!!!

    • @igorthelight
      @igorthelight 4 роки тому +3

      Ever heard of Fallout 3? ;-)

    • @D0GG3qL
      @D0GG3qL 4 роки тому +19

      This isnt speedrunn 100% tho. 100% is the true speedrunns that is fun to watch which includes all secrets and all challanges and everyting unlocked.
      Title should say: Doom Eternal Has Already Been Completely Broken ON any%
      If you want to watch a good 100% speedrunner, you should go watch DraQu_ on twitch or search here on youtube.

    • @blockboygames5956
      @blockboygames5956 4 роки тому +1

      YESSS!

    • @Hellkill66
      @Hellkill66 4 роки тому

      Hahahahah

  • @Gasmanic
    @Gasmanic 4 роки тому +1059

    13:39 - "we need to land on the slope of the edge in a very precise position"
    so wait, you're telling us we can't just land anywhere on the ledge - it has to be...
    ...THE ABSOLUTE LEDGE END

  • @jimcameron6803
    @jimcameron6803 4 роки тому +2616

    "My software doesn't have bugs. It has unintended emergent properties." I'm surely going to use that one in future :)

    • @DoomRater
      @DoomRater 4 роки тому +85

      This is a standard line in fighting games actually. Combos were "a bug" that got turned into a feature, and a lot of fighting game quirks take advantage of bugs but most were actually overcome with precise gameplay. Fighting gameplay evolved a LOT as a result.

    • @Twisted_Logic
      @Twisted_Logic 4 роки тому +51

      @@DoomRater Not to mention bunnyhopping and strafe jumping

    • @2thpic
      @2thpic 4 роки тому +27

      You think games or any other software would be too well made or secure to hack by 2020, but like Mr Scott said in Star Trek 3, the more you overthink the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain.

    • @geovani60624
      @geovani60624 4 роки тому +10

      Well, in my opinion a bug is something that breaks the code and gives an unexpected result, in this case it's just the game mechanics being used in a creative way to get a stack of their results

    • @Lattamonsteri
      @Lattamonsteri 4 роки тому +7

      @@geovani60624 ...into an unexpected result. :P

  • @narusferree6506
    @narusferree6506 4 роки тому +1395

    Speedrunners: We're stuck at home with nothing to do.
    Doom Eternal: *sweats nervously*

    • @user-uc9cu2lg9h
      @user-uc9cu2lg9h 4 роки тому +5

      Nooo this better not be the death of Doom eternal speedruns.

    • @TheWehzy
      @TheWehzy 4 роки тому +28

      @@user-uc9cu2lg9h You dont get the joke, do you

    • @trippie8730
      @trippie8730 4 роки тому +4

      id software: put purple slime in the sky and add more elevator cutscenes

    • @SwooMafia
      @SwooMafia 4 роки тому

      Nobody can like your message any more, now. You're at 666! It's perfect for a video about Doom! :-D

    • @ThePingomartin
      @ThePingomartin 4 роки тому

      @@TheWehzy whooosh

  • @Twisted_Logic
    @Twisted_Logic 4 роки тому +1842

    Fun fact, industry standard term for "jump extension" is "coyote time"

    • @supercool1312
      @supercool1312 4 роки тому +21

      Twisted Logic why?

    • @---vz9ww
      @---vz9ww 4 роки тому +321

      @@supercool1312 Wile E. Coyote

    • @RD22x
      @RD22x 4 роки тому +155

      Meep meep

    • @Twisted_Logic
      @Twisted_Logic 4 роки тому +139

      @coffee: the account That's a fair point, but I'd consider it to just be a different implementation of the same concept.

    • @WhimsicottFanatic
      @WhimsicottFanatic 4 роки тому +95

      @@supercool1312
      As -- mentioned, it's in reference to Wile E. Coyote, but specifically it's in reference to how Coyote [and numerous other cartoon characters, but he's often the one that springs to mind for this trope] would tend to run off a cliff and stand in the air before realizing the lack of ground and getting a bad case of gravity

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 4 роки тому +502

    Let's be real, Doomguy would've legitimately ended the war in 27 minutes if he wanted to.

  • @tetsuoZshima
    @tetsuoZshima 4 роки тому +1194

    The frustrating part of this is that they added TONS of invisible walls to block off jumps that you SHOULD be able to make / would be fun shortcuts, to try to prevent something that was always going to happen in one way or another.

    • @toiletpaper8958
      @toiletpaper8958 4 роки тому +20

      So?

    • @lockthepope
      @lockthepope 4 роки тому +206

      @@toiletpaper8958 It makes navigation extremely frustrating if you don't want to open the map every 2 seconds, all in the very naive hope that people won't break the game as much as the first one.

    • @tetsuoZshima
      @tetsuoZshima 4 роки тому +75

      @@toiletpaper8958 So honestly, 2016 has better / more fun level design, and a lot of it feels due to invisible walls placed in eternal (which is still an amazing game).

    • @OudinAlex
      @OudinAlex 4 роки тому +65

      @@tetsuoZshima Honestly? I do prefer eternal by far... so it's more a matter of taste ;)

    • @bigwes617
      @bigwes617 4 роки тому +8

      @@OudinAlexBut everything is a matter of taste ... lol

  • @scragar
    @scragar 4 роки тому +89

    Thank you for actually a doing an accurate list of reasons for using a VPN, so many people promote it by saying it's better security and such which it's really not.
    As someone who works in network security I really appreciate you not spreading misinformation.

    • @madcat789
      @madcat789 3 роки тому +1

      What is a good way to protect ones networking?

    • @DaleStrickland
      @DaleStrickland 3 роки тому +1

      Thank you for saying this, the misinformation gets on my nerves too. I've heard people going so far as to say it protect against malware...ugh
      Surely these companies provide a rough outline/script to their content creators...right?

    • @cowboycoffee6956
      @cowboycoffee6956 3 роки тому +6

      One thing that is always super important when talking about VPNs is that its based on a trust model. you are basically exchanging who your trust your information with from your ISP to your VPN. So before you go paying for a VPN make sure its a company you trust. If you want true obfuscation I suggest Mulvad VPN and pay with bitcoin, or spin your own up.

    • @guessowii
      @guessowii 3 роки тому +1

      Do we trust nord?

    • @cowboycoffee6956
      @cowboycoffee6956 3 роки тому +6

      @@guessowii hell no dude, they have been subpoena'd and they gave customer data.

  • @napalmzombie848
    @napalmzombie848 4 роки тому +700

    Another cool tech that was recently found was "Trimping". The UA-camr SolarKnight uploaded a video where he used the meat hook to launch himself to an insane height and get out of bounds.

    • @YORCHspartan117
      @YORCHspartan117 4 роки тому +131

      of course, demoknight tf2 himself discovers trimping in another game
      Edit: its a joke before someone points it out, i know solar didnt found the trick

    • @deth1634
      @deth1634 4 роки тому +51

      demoknight tf2

    • @btfo420
      @btfo420 4 роки тому +41

      demoknight tf2

    • @cieele
      @cieele 4 роки тому +39

      demoknight tf2

    • @TheGreenTeabagger
      @TheGreenTeabagger 4 роки тому +2

      oh my cousin accidentally did that in the boss fight with the sentinel bitch

  • @Humble_Merchant
    @Humble_Merchant 4 роки тому +886

    They were figured out in a matter of weeks because of the quarantine, lmao.

    • @ultimateme3049
      @ultimateme3049 4 роки тому +4

      exactly

    • @MrPsygo
      @MrPsygo 4 роки тому +102

      Yeah.. these are the type of people that don't even know there's a quarantine.

    • @blahmin8344
      @blahmin8344 4 роки тому +6

      MrPsygo u right tho LOL

    • @UmiZoomR
      @UmiZoomR 4 роки тому +1

      nah, its just dedication

    • @fert7921
      @fert7921 4 роки тому

      True

  • @RLXified
    @RLXified 4 роки тому +362

    11:31 "The secret is to really love those ledges."

    • @Riversofash
      @Riversofash 4 роки тому

      RolexiH what?

    • @thepearled0120
      @thepearled0120 4 роки тому +44

      Aether
      Reference to one of the other Karl Jobst videos on “The Chasm” from Doom 2.

    • @sirresigmenduken5033
      @sirresigmenduken5033 4 роки тому +5

      @@Riversofash It's a reference to a previous DOOM speedrunning video

    • @rgerber
      @rgerber 4 роки тому +4

      Yes i knew I heard that it's "running on a tight rope, Dooms most something speedrun level"
      That was an epic video

    • @user-tm3fz7qx3s
      @user-tm3fz7qx3s 4 роки тому +8

      Finally, a reference I understand!

  • @My50MC
    @My50MC 4 роки тому +222

    Hey Karl, the answer to all your questions that begin with "If you would like to see more videos like...." is "Yes. Yes, very much"
    And I'm personally not opposed to watching slightly longer videos if it benefits your documentation!
    Keep up the legendary work!

    • @MrGamemaker8
      @MrGamemaker8 4 роки тому +3

      He can fit in more VPN advertisements with extra videos

  • @mprGG
    @mprGG 4 роки тому +510

    Yeah, the Doom community completly tore it apart in lightspeed.

    • @factualtemplar8797
      @factualtemplar8797 4 роки тому +90

      They Ripped and Teared apart the game

    • @r2dezki
      @r2dezki 4 роки тому +29

      Maybe they had lots of free time or something :D

    • @captainprotag0nist
      @captainprotag0nist 4 роки тому +4

      as they would, seeing them go so fast in their speedruns is pretty amazing. and here I thought when I started doom eternal is that doom guy feels kind of slow compared too his 2016 counterpart

    • @minipie9175
      @minipie9175 4 роки тому

      TheDeckinator corona virus bro

    • @Bhavyo
      @Bhavyo 4 роки тому

      @@r2dezki haha, thought the same!

  • @ChengTeoh
    @ChengTeoh 4 роки тому +91

    I really enjoy your in-depth analysis of how the game can be broken, it is quite informative and interesting even for a person who prefers to watch a glitchless speedrun. I can appreciate all the technical aspects of how a game can be utterly broken to help out speedrunners and the way you explain and put it together into a cohesive video is just beautiful, you are an absolute legend. [ ps. Draqu has insane skills ]

  • @xamide
    @xamide 4 роки тому +515

    i'm about to destroy any% career with a sub 26 minute run

  • @R2Bl3nd
    @R2Bl3nd 4 роки тому +56

    I've been in software QA for half a decade almost; my definition of a bug or glitch includes what you said - unintended emergent property or behavior of legitimate mechanics/use cases. Bugs can happen at any point in the design or implementation stages. An engineer can code something exactly to the specifications, and yet those specifications can be flawed if the designers/product owners didn't account for everything.

    • @war10zx98
      @war10zx98 4 роки тому +3

      Indeed, I agree with you. Most of my time on final project are mostly wasted during debugging the project and pretty to say that it ended up as half baked spaghetti. 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @jessefisher1809
      @jessefisher1809 4 роки тому +1

      thats exactly what I'm thinking ' isnt that the definition of a glitch?'

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd 4 роки тому +3

      @@jessefisher1809 most people think a bug or glitch is only the fault of the programmer

    • @Darkvalentine333
      @Darkvalentine333 3 роки тому +2

      I would say that for a lot of gamers/speed runners, that sort of thing falls more into the category of "exploit"
      Taking advantage of intended game properties to achieve unintended effects.
      This differs from a bug, an unintended game property, or a glitch, a failing of the games properties themselves.
      Its like
      Bug: This feature was unintentionally created.
      Glitch: A feature that exists due to a failure or corruption of the game itself
      Exploit: Combining or utilizing intended features to achieve an unintended effect.
      I mean, there is a reason that a large number of exploits are still allowed in various games "glitchless" categories.

  • @nubnub8202
    @nubnub8202 4 роки тому +189

    i havent even started the video, but i wanted to tell you Karl how much these speed run videos mean to me. legit messaged 2 of my friends to tell them you had a new video out and im sure they are watching this as we speak. keep up the good work, you absolute legend.

  • @eternalfps3124
    @eternalfps3124 4 роки тому +43

    IGN has a video of the Doom Eternal Devs reacting to that 27 minute speed run, their commentary is absolutely fantastic!

    • @BigBoris
      @BigBoris 3 роки тому +9

      I love how every time the speedrunner glitches, the devs start screaming

    • @fortnut-bad
      @fortnut-bad 3 роки тому +9

      "Should we put a rickroll in the sky?"

  • @theAmazingJunkman
    @theAmazingJunkman 3 роки тому +16

    The IGN video where the devs reacted to this run is legendary. I will never forget their reactions to the runner skipping all of Gore Nest and finding the dev room on Mars Core.

  • @blue5peed
    @blue5peed 4 роки тому +85

    That mass effect track is so nostalgic I had goosebumps and forgot what I was watching lol.

  • @ProjectBerserkir
    @ProjectBerserkir 4 роки тому +17

    Absolute pleasure talking with Karl, awesome vid my friend :D

  • @Loliiah
    @Loliiah 4 роки тому +7

    I'm so happy to see you used the cutout I made for you in your thumbnail haha. Great video! Keep it up.

  • @BjornTheDim
    @BjornTheDim 4 роки тому +153

    Me: "Man. Social distancing is driving me nuts. I've been stuck in my apartment for the last three weeks save for supply runs. I don't know how much longer I can do this...."
    Karl: "Hello, you absolute legends."
    I feel better.

    • @downfromthereeefters
      @downfromthereeefters 4 роки тому +1

      Don’t worry, looks like things will be reopening pretty rapidly soon. Seems to be bipartisan agreement that it’s time to start doing so, with caution, of course.

    • @martymcfly88mph35
      @martymcfly88mph35 4 роки тому +2

      @@downfromthereeefters how'd that work? lol. Covid is such a sham.

    • @BjornTheDim
      @BjornTheDim 10 місяців тому

      @@saintpepsi8602 Yes. Being hooked up to a machine that breathes for me and keeps my blood oxygenated because my lungs are like cobwebs is scary. That is some straight-up Darth Vader shit.

  • @MillywiggZ
    @MillywiggZ 4 роки тому +18

    11:33
    Hello, you rampsolute ledges.

  • @LinkFitz
    @LinkFitz 4 роки тому +154

    Karl Jobst: "platforming in a first-person shooter isn't exactly an intuitive thing"
    Metroid Prime: "hold my arm cannon"

    • @aryandescendant6116
      @aryandescendant6116 4 роки тому +6

      Technically Metroid Prime is more of a First Person Adventure Game,as Shooting isn't the main focus.

    • @LinkFitz
      @LinkFitz 4 роки тому +10

      @@aryandescendant6116 yeah, I know, but then I don't get to make a joke.

    • @daninbox
      @daninbox 4 роки тому +3

      @@aryandescendant6116 There's still some beautiful sequences were you jump platform to platform while firing at jetpack space pirates mid-air.

    • @pcachu
      @pcachu 4 роки тому +7

      Destiny: "Am I a joke to you?"
      Mirror's Edge: "Bitch please, don't even get me started."

    • @aryandescendant6116
      @aryandescendant6116 4 роки тому

      @@daninbox I know,I'm just saying,While Samus does have a weapon,they don't focus on it that much.

  • @saltypig6171
    @saltypig6171 4 роки тому +28

    Being called an absolute legend really keeps me going.

  • @lazaruslong697
    @lazaruslong697 4 роки тому +103

    Karl: "Is is hard to get your inputs in before you are too high."
    Me, just woken up: "That is a very fair assertion."
    *lights joint*

    • @woodenhoe
      @woodenhoe 4 роки тому +2

      Hey you, you're finally awake

  • @centurionMAC
    @centurionMAC 4 роки тому +50

    Me: I hope someone calls me an absolute legend today.
    Karl Jobst: *uploads video*

  • @horrisnorris6478
    @horrisnorris6478 4 роки тому +16

    I love that this technique is basically the 2020 update of BLJ

  • @alvy8bit
    @alvy8bit 4 роки тому +14

    Do we really think that devs use the subtitle "DEV TELEPORTS" in their teleport rooms without knowing that some people will eventually find these rooms?

    • @ruukinen
      @ruukinen 3 роки тому +6

      I absolutely don't think it was for devs since devs would just use console to spawn exactly where they wanted but more an internal tool for level designers etc who can't be arsed to know how to write "code".

    • @ralcogaming7674
      @ralcogaming7674 3 роки тому

      @@ruukinen the quick explanation is that they were placed by level designers for the programming team to be able to hop around more efficiently while playing the game outside of editing software.

    • @ruukinen
      @ruukinen 3 роки тому

      @@ralcogaming7674 I mean if I was a developer for games I'd just use the console to go where I wanted for testing purposes. I am a web/software developer not a game developer so what do I know.

  • @cedddkkddkk
    @cedddkkddkk 4 роки тому +34

    Was eating and not entirely paying attention around the point of the ad.
    Thought i heard:
    “And i wanted some Snatch”
    Me too man, me too.

  • @rylanscott410
    @rylanscott410 4 роки тому +11

    "I won't be showing any of the later levels..."
    Thank you, you are a good man.

  • @rainmanbk1
    @rainmanbk1 4 роки тому +12

    When Karl said ledges I just thought "Hello you absolute ledges."

  • @slothsong080
    @slothsong080 4 роки тому +45

    I wonder if that secret room has anything to do with the E3 showcase. To me, it looks like a place to quickly show off specific key scenes throughout the level.

    • @jamieshay7545
      @jamieshay7545 4 роки тому +7

      It's a dev test room. It's so devs can teleport around levels to test bugs and whatnot.

    • @gnack420
      @gnack420 4 роки тому +4

      @@jamieshay7545 that's the theory, but Slothsong's theory also makes sense. We don't know for sure until the dev's themselves say.

    • @handsomebrick
      @handsomebrick 4 роки тому +2

      @@gnack420 Devs have the ability to lie.

    • @lavieenrose7925
      @lavieenrose7925 4 роки тому +3

      (@@gnack420) The devs did confirm it's a test room they never removed

    • @ruukinen
      @ruukinen 3 роки тому

      @@lavieenrose7925 I call bullshit. A dev would just teleport using console to anywhere on the map they wanted. Sure knowing exact coordinates is hard but if you are testing something you write it down. It would be an absolute waste of time to develop this room if it's only used by devs who can literally snap their fingers and go anywhere on the map.

  • @theycallmebach
    @theycallmebach 4 роки тому +3

    I usually don't watch speedruns of games like perfect dark, goldeneye, doom or other games u usually cover but the way u talk about these games is so mesmerizing and interesting that I always end up watching your videos :)
    Thank you for the great content and I am excited for future uploads!
    Shoutouts to you you absolute legend 😄!

  • @justjdoggman4395
    @justjdoggman4395 4 роки тому

    Both Snatch & Doom Eternal are the shit

  • @ploppyjr2373
    @ploppyjr2373 3 роки тому +4

    1:22 “it isn’t even a glitch” proceeds to say exactly what a glitch is and saying it isn’t.

  • @podfuk
    @podfuk 4 роки тому

    I dont even care anymore, this abuse-running is so boring.

  • @silentghoust
    @silentghoust 4 роки тому +79

    I don't think ID "forgot" to disable the console command for binding the scroll wheel. At that point when you start putting console commands in, you are now modifying the game beyond its original intent. The only people that can be really blamed is the speedrunning community agreeing that binding console command use was ok.

    • @Sterl500
      @Sterl500 4 роки тому +19

      Indeed. I'm kind of stumped that they allowed this use of console commands.

    • @proosee
      @proosee 4 роки тому +2

      Lol what? Disable console? So you won't be able to record demo or limit fps anymore?

    • @silentghoust
      @silentghoust 4 роки тому +1

      @@proosee I met just that command in general. Edited to clarify that.

    • @Sterl500
      @Sterl500 4 роки тому +33

      @@proosee I don't think you're understanding what OP is saying. What's weird isn't that console commands are being used, it's that they're being used to break a dev intended restriction. In this case it's no different than using a macro to rebind the spacebar to the scroll wheel (not usually bad, but because it's dev restricted here, it should be disallowed for speed running purposes) or a custom controller to make certain input combinations easier.
      It would be entirely different if you could glitch the options menu to bypass the restriction and rebind anyways, but using console commands it basically entering a cheat code and should be discouraged not encouraged.

    • @FFKonoko
      @FFKonoko 4 роки тому +17

      @@Sterl500 exactly. Or someone using a console command to disable clipping and run through walls. It's not using the console commands to limit FPS to a standard or to be able to share them, expanding the community and who can run it....it's using console commands to make your run faster, even to the point that computer specs matters and making the speedrun less inclusive.

  • @randomobserver6846
    @randomobserver6846 4 роки тому

    7:16 lmao you can pull off soda popper jumps in doom eternal
    the scout mains of tf2 would be proud

  • @michaellemus8122
    @michaellemus8122 4 роки тому +32

    Make a ted talk about speedruns. Genuinely though, you've quickly become my favorite speedrun info channel in the span of a week. Fun, straight to the point, and nice explanations :)

  • @azuraben5128
    @azuraben5128 4 роки тому

    I can hear that FTL music in the background!

  • @hunter1q12
    @hunter1q12 4 роки тому +20

    Thank you for the spoiler free video. I haven't gotten the chance to buy eternal yet so I've been trying to avoid any spoilers about it.

    • @AdurxIsd
      @AdurxIsd 4 роки тому +3

      Not watching Doom Eternal videos at all helps a ton!

    • @nicola_gaiani
      @nicola_gaiani 4 роки тому

      hunter1q1 if u want u can buy it at like 35€ on istant gaming, but you have to use Bethesda, not steam

    • @hunter1q12
      @hunter1q12 4 роки тому

      @@AdurxIsd It does but I enjoy speedrunning so I couldn't resist on this video.

    • @toiletpaper8958
      @toiletpaper8958 4 роки тому +1

      Fun fact: I wrote the plot and lore for Doom 2016 and Eternal, and am good friends with Hugo Martin and Marty Stratton.

    • @supercool1312
      @supercool1312 4 роки тому +1

      toilet paper sure buddy

  • @nsagoogle9581
    @nsagoogle9581 4 роки тому

    Love the Mass effect music. Can picture a Krogan watching this saying "why don't they just kill the demons?"

  • @OTElron
    @OTElron 4 роки тому +13

    Ah, great memories coming up from the mass effect 2 galaxy map theme. Interesting and well explained Doom content is also welcome;).

  • @KyddBurton
    @KyddBurton 4 роки тому

    That Mass Effect Music tho 👀

  • @Uilbaas
    @Uilbaas 4 роки тому +15

    I think you should also include the gamer: "Hqrdest" in your next Doom video. That guy is also a beast in Ultra Nightmare.

  • @babyquakes
    @babyquakes 4 роки тому

    Theres a stage where theres a bunch of stationary demons trapped behind bars. You cant shoot them unless you manage to stick your gun up to the wall and get it it to pass through the invisible barrier. So if the 100% speedruns didnt kill them, they should be invalidated. All 100%s moving on shall be post-Cameron runs.

  • @Prompeius
    @Prompeius 4 роки тому +17

    "Last week i wanted to watch Snatch" A man of taste. Watched Lock Stock yesterday myself. Some movies just get better and better every time you watch them

    • @zenithal666
      @zenithal666 4 роки тому

      Charles....get the rifle out.

    • @davidrd85
      @davidrd85 4 роки тому

      Can also really recommend the new Guy Ritchie film The Gentlemen 👌🏼

  • @Kaitri
    @Kaitri 4 роки тому

    I saw a ff7 remake speedrun 2 days after its release. Ff7re obviously being way more liniar thats not so impressive but still damn wtf

  • @Thefootqueen
    @Thefootqueen 4 роки тому +48

    *“It’s not really a glitch, it’s just an unintended property of some of the games mechanics”*
    Pretty sure you just partially(if not fully) defined what a glitch is

    • @ArchieRatsworth
      @ArchieRatsworth 4 роки тому +19

      Glitches are the code breaking and producing unexpected results. This exploit is the code working as intended and producing unexpected results.

    • @PeterJavi
      @PeterJavi 3 роки тому +1

      No you see, a glitch is unintended, this is a feature in the truest sense of the word. It's just used to it's limits to achieve sequence breaks

  • @danielnovikov97
    @danielnovikov97 4 роки тому

    Mass effect soundtrack in the background 😍😍😍

  • @masterneme
    @masterneme 4 роки тому +7

    I don't think the "ledge smoothing" works like you showed, it probably is just that Doomguy has a capsule collision. And for the jump extension I'd say is something similar, Doomguy may have some collision system detecting if he started falling AND close to where he fell from.
    And I find it funny that this version of id Tech still has slope jumps just like Quake, I hope they don't change any of these -bugs- features.

    • @gnack420
      @gnack420 4 роки тому +2

      That doesn't make any sense. For the first one, the ramp jumping only works on ramps, which means it doesn't matter what shape the Doomguy's hitbox is, if the ground isn't a ramp you won't get the boost. For the second one, that is literally the equivalent of what he said, just from the "perspective" of the Doomguy. It would make much more sense (and be more performant) to surround the ledges with an extra hitbox and check whether the player is colliding with it, rather than adding some static number to Doomguy's hitbox every time you perform a check.

    • @Micrologist2351
      @Micrologist2351 4 роки тому

      We know that the game determines what is and what isn't a ramp by looking at the face normal of the surface the player is standing on. If its z component is less than 0.91 it is considered to be a ramp (flat ground would have a (0,0,1) surface normal). This can't be explained by the player having a capsule collider (which it does) as that wouldn't lead to any detectable surfaces with a non (0,0,1) normal on sharp edges.

    • @brokenwave6125
      @brokenwave6125 4 роки тому +1

      It does work that way...and surprisingly the video game expert who made this video is right, and you're wrong.

  • @televisaoassassina9822
    @televisaoassassina9822 4 роки тому

    You would be a great teacher, my dude. Nice explanation.

  • @Nin-Tanner
    @Nin-Tanner 4 роки тому +32

    "...an unintended emergent property of some of the game's mechanics." Uh, it's called an exploit, Karl.

  • @FissionMetroid101
    @FissionMetroid101 4 роки тому

    I was not expecting this to be so unbelievably indepth! Wonderful work!

  • @sethmoyer
    @sethmoyer 4 роки тому +4

    Great video, and happy to hear more Mass Effect music in the background.

  • @Thecabalsgimp
    @Thecabalsgimp 4 роки тому

    Leave it to the pc master race to make fun things not.

  • @MrVeryfrost
    @MrVeryfrost 4 роки тому +36

    Wait, aren't console commands considered as cheating in speed run any % community ?

    • @proosee
      @proosee 4 роки тому +6

      Binding single command to single key was never considered cheating in speedruns

    • @marpj6138
      @marpj6138 4 роки тому +9

      Its cheating during the run, but this enter in that discussion of preparation vs run. IIRC Karl did a video some time ago about someone making a adapation on the controller to fix the stick in a specific place and there has a lot of controversy on that.
      This one I dont think is a problem, different of macros or trying to use commands to exclude some files to create openings/exploits. This just uses the games assets in a different way.

    • @FFKonoko
      @FFKonoko 4 роки тому +11

      @@proosee ehhhh....that's not what he asked though. Yes, changing controls to whatever you want is fine, including multiple controls to one key. Console commands being required to do it because the game disallows it otherwise is definitely a bit more marginal. Especially when it then makes computer performance have a strong effect on the trick, rather than just skill.

    • @scottwatrous
      @scottwatrous 4 роки тому +5

      I kindof agree. If there was a console command for "mega high badass jump mode" would that be allowed?

    • @proosee
      @proosee 4 роки тому +5

      @@FFKonoko that's not true, binding multiple commands to one key is more like gray area (because allowing this makes scripting allowed basically) and this is forbidden in many games/leagues. Making player not able to bind jump to mouse key is for me ridiculous.

  • @FoxyHxCMacfly
    @FoxyHxCMacfly 4 роки тому

    I've been picking up Unity since the begin of the quarantine. Always been eager to see how games are really made from the very foundations.
    From the very small amount I've gathered, Something like this is bound to happen more and more. It took me two days to make an animated 2D sidecroller view hero properly double jump. And that's with sprites simple 2D collision and forces.
    The amount of tries with "unexpected" consequences is probably in the hundreds and the legendary codding joke of "fix one thing and there's 10 more problems" is, I can confirm, 100% true.
    With a beast like Eternal that's LITERALLY based on an extremely extensive movement system with 3D enviros, forces, models, animations and probably an insane amount of keybinding code (and the adaptation needed for different platforms), I'm not surprised one bit. I'm surprised there's not a simpler way to do it actually ! With the massive 3 axes mobility and all the traversal capabilities I would have thought it wouldn't even require free scrolling.
    I'm also amazed that you coudn't bind free scroll to jump. It shows ID expected it and really knows what players can do with the software but they clearly didn't expect that hardware technicality.
    If I were to run it, I woudn't go as far as to buy another mouse or download a coded macro... I think it kinda defy the original vibe.
    That's why I mostly watch glitchless runs and games and the people that run them. I'd rather see and be impressed by something technical done in the game (and not litteraly O.O.B) and see that it costs the runner time only to be blown away when they manage to do it without loosing time rather than just see someone just use a hardware technicality and skip entire sections of the game. It's a preference still, both can be fun and are totally valid.

    • @FoxyHxCMacfly
      @FoxyHxCMacfly 4 роки тому

      PS : Snatch is just quality culture, great tastes Karl !

  • @theSato
    @theSato 4 роки тому +27

    These are really cool exploits, but I don't think they should be allowed in main-category leaderboards. Using console commands to allow something should never be considered as actually playing the game - if you can't set bindings in the menu, you shouldn't set them. It's like using a modded controller to make doing a HESS easier in Ocarina of Time. Kinda gross and goes against the spirit of speedrunning.
    Also, having a higher framerate to get better results basically gatekeeps top times behind having a super good computer. The game should be forced to lock at 60 or 120 or 144 at MOST, imo. But this is less of a contentious issue since they at least stop it at 250.

    • @spinyjustspiny3289
      @spinyjustspiny3289 4 роки тому +2

      The console commands and the script utilizing them were actually made legal for use in lieu of preventing the exploit from being gated behind buying external hardware like a mouse with freespin. The people monitoring submissions explicitly waited to share information about it until they had a script ready to help at least standardize it for everyone to use.
      It's absolutely not a perfect solution, but it's not the worst one since most speedrunners will tend to have rigs that can run the game they choose decently to start (Because, who would want to competitively run a game they just inherently can't play optimally to start with) with compared to having a mouse that specifically allows you to disable the ratcheting on the scrollwheel.

    • @theSato
      @theSato 4 роки тому +9

      @@spinyjustspiny3289 Buying a mouse with freespin would be null and void if you didn't use console commands to begin with, because you wouldn't be able to bind jump to scroll wheel.

    • @Trainboy1EJR
      @Trainboy1EJR 4 роки тому +1

      @@theSato Computer power increases over time, one day integrated graphics will be as powerful as a 2080ti is now. My next monitor will be 240hz, or maybe even 300hz, when they drop below $200, so limiting the frame rate makes no sense. I use a free scrolling wheel for browsing the internet and word documents. Putting limits just to spite users of current high end hardware and future mid range hardware is the reason some games "don't age well". Could you imagine if all games were locked to 15fps, because the developer hates people with better hardware? That would suck.

    • @theSato
      @theSato 4 роки тому +9

      @@Trainboy1EJR I'm pretty well aware that computer power increases over time. We're like, probably a decade or more away from integrated graphics matching anything resembling a 2080ti though.
      Limiting the frame rate makes perfect sense. What monitor you are going to buy or your current/future PC is not really relevant to that.
      That's nice that you have a free scrolling wheel, but its not really relevant or a counterpoint.
      Putting a framerate limit isn't "spiting users of high end hardware". It's leveling the playing field. 120 or 144 would be generous, nobody really needs more than that. Tests have been done showing 144 is truly at the upper limit of what makes any sort of tiny, negligible difference to the eye & brain.
      Of course 15fps would suck, that's very easily detectable as being worse than 60 or 30 or even 20. But a developer locking a framerate at an unacceptably low level, and a community agreeing to lock a framerate at "the upper threshold of what humans can perceive", are completely different things that you can't compare and a complete non-argument on your behalf lol

    • @theewatchfuleyeseesyou
      @theewatchfuleyeseesyou 4 роки тому +1

      I mean, if you can't play the game on low settings with decent fps why even buy it or do speedruns on it. But I agree with the rest.

  • @anthonyferguson9282
    @anthonyferguson9282 4 роки тому

    Sixteen and a half minute video about speedrun techniques... Says video is long and will finish explaining the techniques in another video.
    I don't know, I watched a 25 minute video about techniques involving parallel universes and infinite backwards momentum before, I think I could handle a little more time on this video.....

  • @MeatCognition
    @MeatCognition 4 роки тому +42

    These glitched runs are not appealing at all to me as I feel they lack the type of skill expression the game intends. 100% ultra nightmare runs are where it's at.

    • @Copperhell144
      @Copperhell144 4 роки тому +7

      Glitched runs almost never display the type of skill expression any game intends. I agree that I prefer "normal" runs though. Not to mention that TAS runs kind of supplanted glitched runs for me.

    • @totallynotzokix11_mc21
      @totallynotzokix11_mc21 4 роки тому +4

      @@Copperhell144 I'd argue that doing a speedrun takes more skill than playing it normally does.

    • @Hoganply
      @Hoganply 4 роки тому +3

      @@totallynotzokix11_mc21 So does driving off-road to cheat at a motor race.

    • @totallynotzokix11_mc21
      @totallynotzokix11_mc21 4 роки тому +7

      @@Hoganply Driving off-road to win at a race breaks the rules of the race. Video games have no rules, dumbass.

    • @emeraldmann1329
      @emeraldmann1329 4 роки тому +2

      @@totallynotzokix11_mc21 His point is that the game encourages you to hone certain skillsets, like on Doom, its spatial awareness. The only 'rule' in an any% speedrun is to reach the end credits. But the point of speedruns is to be skilled, and fast. If the game just has a 'skip to end credits' button, chances are that not many people will be speedrunning the any%

  • @azure1259
    @azure1259 4 роки тому

    Another great video, Karl's got a great presenting style, friendly without being gimmicky or annoying like some other UA-camrs, but mostly informative and all about the explaining the finer details of the content.

  • @trucid2
    @trucid2 4 роки тому +15

    "Not even a glitch, but an unintended emergent property of game mechanics."
    What's the difference?

    • @crystalgoddess4085
      @crystalgoddess4085 4 роки тому +4

      An "unintended emergent property of game mechanics" fits more the definition of an exploit than it does a glitch, as there is a difference between the two.

  • @lamihadamshareef5270
    @lamihadamshareef5270 4 роки тому

    Why am i not surpirsed

  • @DestroyerHivePro
    @DestroyerHivePro 4 роки тому +21

    I just finished watching your video on how this game will be hard to break XD

  • @ubiquitouspanda4466
    @ubiquitouspanda4466 4 роки тому

    the way the devs made all these jump extensions is really nice of them

  • @MichelleSleeper
    @MichelleSleeper 4 роки тому +11

    "If glitches and exploits aren't your thing, then get out of my face."

  • @mcsmileycorp
    @mcsmileycorp 4 роки тому +1

    My game is locked at a max of 90 fps no matter what settings I use, does anyone have a solution for that?

  • @ignaziolonardo8359
    @ignaziolonardo8359 4 роки тому +7

    The mass effect music gets me every time

  • @NavjotGarcha
    @NavjotGarcha 4 роки тому

    Anyoe notice the FTL background music?

  • @Keokithederp
    @Keokithederp 4 роки тому +6

    ???: "Doombuddy come look at my island"
    Doomguy: "..."
    Isabelle: "Its me Isabelle"
    Doomguy: *starts moonjumping*

  • @Leg3nd-27
    @Leg3nd-27 4 роки тому

    *reads title* I’m not surprised. I fell out of the map by accident twice on my first play through.

  • @darthtiberius3716
    @darthtiberius3716 4 роки тому +6

    with the quality and tier of memes present in the game and the awareness of the developers to speedrunning i can't wait for the dlc which is going to punish them specifically for breaking it so soon

    • @flailingcheese
      @flailingcheese 4 роки тому

      Maybe they already knew about the technique, and are giving speed runners false hope until the dlc's launch.

  • @MOVIE.KNIGHTS
    @MOVIE.KNIGHTS 4 роки тому

    This is 100% complete crap, The mutiplayer Trophys are 100% stupid because you playing against level 34 players when you only level 4 they aking you to kill 200 players forcing you to player 600 hours of this shitty mutiplayer. They've well as truly screwed this game. Not to mention Easy mode plays like Hardcore. the game is just a waste of time

  • @exotictrash2234
    @exotictrash2234 4 роки тому +3

    I really like all the tricks used here and they're all interesting, but something about using console commands to bind stuff just erks me a little bit

  • @MotraZotra
    @MotraZotra 4 роки тому

    This is what happens when the Skyrim programmers join your team.

  • @Cri_Jackal
    @Cri_Jackal 4 роки тому +9

    All these speedruns are ONLY possible using a console command.
    Why is this legal? Why is an actual, literal cheat code legal in these speedruns?

    • @henySpeedruns
      @henySpeedruns 4 роки тому +4

      Because it is no cheat code. Because the Eternal speedrunning community agreed on allowing this specific bind as part of the ruleset. Because even without the bind smaller slope boosts are possible by spamming the jump key.

    • @OniLinkBrazil1993
      @OniLinkBrazil1993 4 роки тому +2

      Not all console commands are cheats. Some of them are just the game options menu for nerds.

    • @theSato
      @theSato 4 роки тому +2

      You are right Cri Cat. Using console commands to allow something should never be considered as actually playing the game - if you can't set bindings in the menu, you shouldn't set them. It's like using a modded controller to make doing a HESS easier in Ocarina of Time. Kinda gross and goes against the spirit of speedrunning. Rather than mashing the jump key to achieve a cool trick, they wanna mod the controls so people are forced to buy a mouse with scroll wheel and then flick it and go "hehe trick does itself :DD"
      Also, having a higher framerate to get better results basically gatekeeps top times behind having a great computer. The game should be forced to lock a lot lower than 250 lol

    • @danejerustv
      @danejerustv 4 роки тому

      The game has literal, actual cheatcodes in it. Console commands are not cheatcodes. Console commands are used to do things like alter textures and other graphical elements, as well as show individual output codes the game generates.

    • @Cri_Jackal
      @Cri_Jackal 4 роки тому

      Saying it's a cheat code may be hyperbole, but you're still manually changing code to give yourself an advantage. How the fuck was this approved? They should have known better. If console commands are allowed, then you can just as easily input code to disable enemy A.I. or unlock your field of view to look straight behind you while moving forward, no other game that has console commands has them allowed for speedrunning purposes, why should Doom Eternal be any different?

  • @Exonaut315
    @Exonaut315 4 роки тому

    I once accidentally slope boosted when landing from on of those large distance boosters in the later levels. Throw me right to the exit point of that section. Unfortunately, the door there was closed so in the end it did not really help.

  • @traister101
    @traister101 4 роки тому +5

    I love how he's advertising nord by basically saying Netflix and thier shenanigans are okay

    • @lordofshades9852
      @lordofshades9852 4 роки тому

      I think it's ok,I mean,it also sucks,but no company is perfect,more than likely they couldn't get the rights to show it in that country,but in others they could

  • @elbala777
    @elbala777 4 роки тому

    Ohhh this game looks really awesome, it reminds me of Metroid Prime

  • @temxasred3086
    @temxasred3086 4 роки тому +14

    Last time I was this early, club penguin was still alive.

  • @Amy-J
    @Amy-J 4 роки тому

    ...sorry what? I got distracted by that music in the first two minutes, what’s that track called?

  • @DbladeMedic
    @DbladeMedic 4 роки тому +4

    Love the Mass Effect 2 music in the background

  • @Core1138
    @Core1138 4 роки тому

    More!!!

  • @HappyHater
    @HappyHater 4 роки тому +11

    I guess you could say the game was DOOMed from the start, eh? :D

  • @Redhotsmasher
    @Redhotsmasher 4 роки тому

    Am I missing something here (disclaimer: haven't played the game) or could the devs have just always allowed vertical velocities to stack when jumping (i.e. add to the player velocity rather than set it) and not bothered with the ramp detection? Like, what would that actually break in glitchless play? Surely I'm missing something here?

  • @VacantSpirit
    @VacantSpirit 4 роки тому +4

    we dont know where our feet are when jumping platforms? we've been BHopping for loooong time and it's not that hard

    • @proosee
      @proosee 4 роки тому

      For me, that smoothing of edges is the problem, it would be perfectly fine if you could perform it only on ramps

  • @marce3893
    @marce3893 4 роки тому

    Doomslayer took lessons from Athena before starting this new campaign

  • @holloloh
    @holloloh 4 роки тому +9

    Wouldn't using a console to rebind keys be considered cheating?
    Why not change the gravity value or just use console skip level command? While it is an interesting technique, I feel it's a bit dishonest to consider it a clean run.

  • @bvaia
    @bvaia 4 роки тому

    Anyone else turn glory kill highlights off?

  • @davuz
    @davuz 4 роки тому +4

    Somewhere there is a dev saying to his buddy "See, I told you we should have taken that room out"

  • @davidforrester3147
    @davidforrester3147 4 роки тому

    interesting.

  • @cwasm
    @cwasm 4 роки тому +3

    It'd be cool to see Any% runs if they patched this stuff out but everyone would just play on the unupdated game.

    • @Justanotherkittyy
      @Justanotherkittyy 4 роки тому

      There could be a category split, one for day 1 and one for the newest version

  • @arazos9394
    @arazos9394 4 роки тому

    Hello you ABSOLUTE LEDGES

  • @TexasGreed
    @TexasGreed 4 роки тому

    Ahhhhh yeah this is exactly the nerdy shit I've been waiting for. Thanks dude great video.

  • @imjoniiii
    @imjoniiii 4 роки тому

    *equips tide turner*
    You dare try to prove superior?

  • @gore4332
    @gore4332 4 роки тому

    Definitely thought this was going to go over the super shotgun slingshot-esc method but I was pleasantly surprised