Sustainiac vs Veys Sustainer - Sound Test Shootout

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  • @chris99171
    @chris99171 3 дні тому +1

    Thanks for taking it apart and exploring the build!!!

  • @dtrmnts
    @dtrmnts 3 місяці тому +17

    That color is sick

    • @bretfuzz925
      @bretfuzz925 3 місяці тому +2

      I know. I actually really like it.

  • @danieledandrea4320
    @danieledandrea4320 3 місяці тому +18

    finally a very accurate review of the crappy copy...I bought 3 of them over years and all have similar issue. It depends also from what pickup you put on bridge but is never never close to the real thing!
    Ill buy a schecter as next

  • @Russell_Optics
    @Russell_Optics 3 місяці тому +5

    I almost bought one of the "sustainer's" a few days ago because of the lower price, but decided to find a youtube review 1st and yours popped up while searching. Now that I've watched your video I will definitely spend the extra money for a real sustaniac system. Like a few others I think the blue bowling ball Schecter looks awesome. Thank you.

    • @rossauce12
      @rossauce12 4 дні тому

      Did you ever get it? Is it worth it and do you actually use it past the initial like hype phase of a new part? I was almost considering just getting this guitar for it. Cause guitar center sells these used for 600. Cause it's 300 for just the pickup or a whole guitar for 300 more. You could almost buy the guitar take the sustainiac out throw a pickup back in and sell it and get ur money back

    • @Russell_Optics
      @Russell_Optics 4 дні тому

      @@rossauce12 No, my new thought is just to but a guitar with one in it. Schecter makes several and I have a couple of Schecters already that I really like. I don't need another guitar, so I'm thinking about selling one or two and just buying the Schecter with the sustainiac pickup and a Floyd Rose which I've never owned either.

    • @rossauce12
      @rossauce12 4 дні тому

      @Russell_Optics well crap that guitar looks perfect. The synyster gates one plays awesome but is a little too "much" for me. But holy crap man I only have one guitar that isn't a Floyd rose or gotoh(way better in my opinion) but yah I love them so much more. But gotta have one for changing tunings quick. I kinda just bought a guitar with a Floyd for each tuning so I do t have to mess around

  • @BrunodeSouzaLino
    @BrunodeSouzaLino 3 місяці тому +3

    There's also the Floyd Rose sustainer, which ia arguably the first sustainer system. Nowadays you can only find it in Phil Collen's signature Jackson. The Moog Guitar was the first with a polyphonic sustainer, but that's discontinued. Keith McMillen had one interesting prototype of his StrongArm sustainer where the drivers were on the bridge saddles instead of being a pickup.

  • @infinidominion
    @infinidominion 3 місяці тому +2

    That finish is amazing, like a variation of the silver mountain scheme

  • @Bruddermane
    @Bruddermane 3 місяці тому +3

    Yeah, I finally got both of these units and am going to make a video comparing these two. This was a really good representation of both of these products. The only thing you’re missing is the two batteries in the sun valley super shredder on mine that’s stock from schecter, actually run in “series/parallel”. So I found I had to have both 9v installed before the sustainiac started working, after looking at the wiring, it looks that way, so I might change that so one 9v powers the emg and one 9v powers the sustainiac.
    But yeah, great video and product representation. There’s not many videos out there that explain this

  • @metalheadmaker
    @metalheadmaker 3 місяці тому +4

    I've never touched a sustainer, so this was a pretty cool demo and definitely something I want to goof around with. Side note, that Sustaniac circuit looks more simplistic than i expected. Must...resist...more...projects. 😆

  • @Nymblz
    @Nymblz 3 місяці тому +1

    My Schecter SLS Elite FRS came with the Sustainiac, I love that thing. It's no gimmick, it's downright musical. On top of that, I absolutely love the tone of the single coil mode. It's surprising that these aren't more commonly used.

  • @dalenicholas1984
    @dalenicholas1984 2 місяці тому

    Mark, thankyou for this in depth review, saved me some money for sure. Been considering buying the Veyz unit for a while, but was hesitant. Sustainiac have a dealer here in the UK, so I'll put up the extra cash and get the real thing,

  • @EdBMetal
    @EdBMetal 3 місяці тому +3

    Good call putting the switches on the back instead of ruining your guitar’s body for that clearly inferior Veys system. I love my Schecter Hellraiser Hybrid with Sustainiac. Worth the extra money if people are really serious about getting a proper sustainer. Cool video and glad to see i didn’t make the wrong choice.

  • @BBGuitars
    @BBGuitars 3 місяці тому +9

    Was dumb enough to buy 2 of the veys systems in one go, they arrived smelling like cigarettes/weed. Diagram they sent me didnt work, found 2 other diagrams and had to combine the wiring of the two to get it to "work." Was so weak and hardly worked, had it as close as I could and the guy that sells them told me to put the pickup closer, the strings would hit the pickup if i had them any closer. He tried telling me that the string I had werent compatible... Cracked it and pulled it out, decided to rip it apart and wasnt I suprised to find used cigarette filters as packing around the components in the pickup itself... Absolute joke and down $200

    • @MarkGutierrez
      @MarkGutierrez  3 місяці тому +3

      OMG. That is a horror story. You should have made a vid and made them accountable. Crazy story. I also took the Veys out of my guitar. I may repurpose it somehow.

    • @Galva101
      @Galva101 3 місяці тому

      I have that smell too, i think it is this epoxy putty that covers the PCB

  • @TheEnderBand
    @TheEnderBand 2 місяці тому

    I have a Keith Merrow Schecter and it has a Sustainiac- I always loved the possibilites of the sustain without having to hold an eBow but I was surprised how much I enjoyed how it sounded just as a regular pickup without the sustain engaged- it has a very glassy single coil type sound

  • @docf.n.t.2310
    @docf.n.t.2310 3 місяці тому +1

    I am very glad to see this, since I have been thinking about putting a sustainer pickup in my Ibanez Joe Satriani. After this, I know what brand I will choose, without a doubt. I never knew the sustainiac had a empty coil in the pickup. I had a 7 string Schecter that the sustainer worked as a pickup when not in sustain mode, so I thought that the other coil was a single coil. I want a sustainiac with a double coil in a strat style single coil ( like a Hot Rails) mounted with the sustainer coil on a Sustainiac, for alternative use pickup. I dont like sacrificing my neck pickup for a sustainer, since I use my neck pickup a LOT in almost every solo I play !
    I wonder if I could get Sustainiac to biuld me such a pickup, within a reasonable price range.

    • @PracticaProphetica
      @PracticaProphetica 17 днів тому

      I did a bit of reading on the Sustainiac website. When the sustainer pickup is not being used in sustainer mode, it acts as a single coil pickup. So you don't need another one beside it. There was also some talk about interference with another pickup that was too close to the sustainer pickup.

    • @docf.n.t.2310
      @docf.n.t.2310 16 днів тому

      @@PracticaProphetica Yes, I am aware of that. However, I want one of those Hot rails pickups bedded with the Sustainiac, instead of a regular single coil. The "Hot Rails" is a double coil in a single coil package size. It could be bedded with the Sustainiac, and be usable whenever the Sustainiac is not on. I seen a picture of some cheap sustainer pickup on Amazon that had that, and it gave me this idea. I am an electronics tech, so wiring this custom would be a walk in the park for me.

  • @ShaelynneDFuller
    @ShaelynneDFuller 3 місяці тому +3

    I like the color of the Schecter, it reminds me of the images of the cosmic microwave background, just in a different wavelength. I would call the color cosmic cobalt.

  • @ldtheo01
    @ldtheo01 2 місяці тому

    Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge!

  • @mister_syre
    @mister_syre 2 місяці тому +2

    I was considering the Veyz but didn't like the interaction with the seller online (calling me "bro" and really forcing the sale on me until I started asking for schematics to install it...silence). I expected it to be an inferior clone. I'll stick with the real deal. Thank you!

  • @Eric_01
    @Eric_01 3 місяці тому

    Nice job! This was very good information. I have a Sustainiac in a Schecter E-1 FR S and I really like it, but I'd not tried toggling the selector while playing. Very cool idea. I also clearly need more delay with it.

  • @theRodofwar
    @theRodofwar 3 місяці тому +1

    great Video !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! very detailed Explanation of products !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @thebreakfastmenu
    @thebreakfastmenu 3 місяці тому

    What's wrong with a bowling ball finish?? I dig it!

  • @scottdahlberg4890
    @scottdahlberg4890 Місяць тому

    Good video. I want to change out the bridge pick up on my Schecter which has a Sustainiac on it. It is a Left Handed Purple Reign C-1. I have been trying to figure out what wires to pull and replace with a new pickup; but I am just lost on how to do it. I have some wiring diagrams, but I still don't feel safe enough to do it.

    • @rossauce12
      @rossauce12 4 дні тому

      Well just look where the bridge pickup wires go to. Unsolder them and resolder the new pickup where the old one went. Mark everything and take a pic of wiring before you start.

    • @scottdahlberg4890
      @scottdahlberg4890 2 дні тому

      @@rossauce12 true, i will have to give it a shot.

  • @brian770
    @brian770 3 місяці тому

    new sub, love the way you did that apples to apples shoot-out. thinking hard about a new schecter, if i can find it in that blue.

  • @joetaylor3572
    @joetaylor3572 Місяць тому

    i got a veyz sustainer it works fine no issues, both modes seem great, never used a fernandez

  • @mattj1341
    @mattj1341 3 місяці тому

    I got the veys sustainer few months ago and it works well. Took a bit to understand the wiring but it sustains all strings and on all modes. I enjoy the unit a lot, not sure how everyone has so many issues lol I would suggest you adjust the sensitivity trim pot on the board because that will need to be set well

    • @morkovkachannel9101
      @morkovkachannel9101 Місяць тому

      You are lucky man 😊. But your case it's great fortune and nothing else. In generally veyz device not consists important schematic solutions for normal working.

  • @rossauce12
    @rossauce12 4 дні тому

    Probably not, but i wonder if you hooked up the elecgronics to one of those double railed single coils would it work as a sustaniac?

  • @Tidmin7
    @Tidmin7 9 днів тому

    That guitar is sick as hell, people are nuts for not wanting it

  • @stevecassidyguitar
    @stevecassidyguitar 3 місяці тому +1

    Great vid! Thank you for doing this! I've been curious about the Veys for a few years. I'll definitely avoid now 👍
    It would be great if Sustainiac would update thier website though, it still looks like an old myspace page 🙈

    • @MarkGutierrez
      @MarkGutierrez  3 місяці тому +2

      LOL, I know, their website looks like it was made in 1998.

  • @joeking433
    @joeking433 11 днів тому

    I had a Sustainiac in a Fernandes and I put it on eBay for like $350 a few years ago and it sold almost immediately. I also had a 1973 Strat I sold for $350 in the 80's. Two dum dum moves on my part I wish I hadn't have done.

  • @paulystark2890
    @paulystark2890 3 місяці тому

    The only problem I found with the sustaniac is noise! Almost impossible to eliminate routing wires differently etc.

  • @jensbomholt4529
    @jensbomholt4529 3 місяці тому

    Colour and Sustainacid both crazy good!

  • @Zombie_13x33
    @Zombie_13x33 2 місяці тому

    people are nuts, thats a wicked cool paintjob

  • @marks9197
    @marks9197 Місяць тому

    I wonder what would happen if you did a 18 or 24 v mod on the Sustainiac?

  • @tjeffwar
    @tjeffwar 2 місяці тому

    Mark we’re did you get that pickguard for that warrior? Any info is appreciated thank you !

    • @MarkGutierrez
      @MarkGutierrez  2 місяці тому

      LOL, I made it! It is 2mm Carbon Fiber. I designed it in CAD and cut it on my CNC. I think that will be next weeks vid. I will be releasing the CAD file, DXF, and PDF files for the pick guard on my store. Stay tuned.

    • @tjeffwar
      @tjeffwar 2 місяці тому

      @@MarkGutierrez thanks for the info I appreciate that not sure what cad and that stuff is lol but definitely cool !

  • @brian770
    @brian770 3 місяці тому

    OMG, that color is EPIC !!!! whats not to like

  • @normbarrows2
    @normbarrows2 Місяць тому

    Yet in the end you replaced the Veys with a plain old PAF on the warrior mod - understandable, I get better sustain just using feedback as part of "my" tone. But that Sustainiac - might have to do that. Will it work as a bridge pickup? I'd have to write stuff specifically for it - lots of long notes - that's why I've never gotten one or really worried about sustain in general as a player or builder. When I needed sustain back in the day for recording, I used the std midi "guitar harmonics" patch pitch shifted up 2 octaves on a Boss DR-5 or something like that - sounded like water glasses, built-in swell and everything - and you can hold down the button as long as you want. Bet you love it for all that trippy/ethereal stuff you play. That Schecter's a nice piece - even if it is blue! Clean samples as well as effects would be appreciated. Keep up the good work.

  • @freddie.7531
    @freddie.7531 3 місяці тому

    Yo mark love the channel.. I’m recreating your lm386 sustainer circuit at the moment and next I want to tackle the Duncan Price fret less PUG guitar. I’m sure you’ve seen it by now.
    Do you have any tips or ideas on what he’s using for the pickups and how I can recreate it myself? Would really help me out, all the best.

    • @MarkGutierrez
      @MarkGutierrez  3 місяці тому

      I thought about the same thing when I saw the PUG. I'd love to build one. There are already a few guys online who have outlined how to wind the small inductors and build the circuit. You just need to build 12 to have full 6-string polyphony.Start here. ua-cam.com/video/5LDmc8TkSKg/v-deo.html

  • @Return2TheLiving
    @Return2TheLiving 3 місяці тому

    I don’t know much about pickups and such and maybe I missed it but did you power both your bridge and neck with the same 9v? I noticed in the schecter guitar the sustainiac had its own dedicated battery separate from the bridge emg. Could the bridge while not “active” be leeching some of the power from the battery and robbing the Vey from all the power it needs?

  • @KentRoads
    @KentRoads 2 місяці тому

    you can actually feel the sustainer vibrating the strings :D

  • @Lewkario
    @Lewkario 3 місяці тому +1

    Glad I didn’t snag one of these on a late night eBay impulse buy. Seems like it’s worth it to invest in the real deal or try and scoop a guitar with one on the cheap!

  • @coreybray9834
    @coreybray9834 2 місяці тому

    Could you mount that in an acoustic?

  • @Joseph-y6p
    @Joseph-y6p 3 місяці тому +2

    These systems don't always work well with just any pickup you have in it.
    They tend to work better with very high output pickups.
    Try a Bill Lawrence l-500XL

    • @PracticaProphetica
      @PracticaProphetica 16 днів тому

      This is probably true. I've seen other videos where they seemed to work much better. But you have to admit, the circuit board on sustainiac is vastly more complex.

  • @shawnbryant60
    @shawnbryant60 3 місяці тому

    What did you have to pay for the schecter, with the sustainiak?

  • @user-zn6gz4ub7w
    @user-zn6gz4ub7w 17 днів тому

    It's impossible to evaluate the sustain with the over saturation of long reverb decay involved.

  • @JeffGillis-lv1rz
    @JeffGillis-lv1rz 3 місяці тому

    Oh jeez now I need to buy Sustanic!

  • @darwinsaye
    @darwinsaye 3 місяці тому

    Considering the prices, all the hassle, and losing a useable neck pickup, these things just don’t seem worth it to me compared to just having an eBow. If I really wanted to be able sustain chords, I think I’d rather just try to make a modified eBow that could activate two or three strings at a time for polyphonic stuff.

  • @SerpentsBane1995
    @SerpentsBane1995 3 місяці тому

    Didn't Guitar Max make a video about these some time ago? They seemed to work fine for what he used them for... \m/

    • @themodernguitarist
      @themodernguitarist 3 місяці тому

      He made a follow up video where he was more critical about it

    • @SerpentsBane1995
      @SerpentsBane1995 3 місяці тому

      @@themodernguitarist I vaguely remember that. Must have had it on in the background while making a cup of coffee

    • @themodernguitarist
      @themodernguitarist 3 місяці тому

      @@SerpentsBane1995 he personally didn't have a bad experience but he had enough negative feedback towards the brand where he took back his endorsement. My guess is Veys sent him a "good" pickup to look good for a big UA-camr to review while the average Joe gets... This

  • @RobertLongM
    @RobertLongM Місяць тому

    Yep - Veyez keeps trying to sell them in my FB Group. Have to kick many out.
    IDK if any of us can build to the quality of Sustainiac or Fetzer
    Excellence Video!!! I have to promote this video.

    • @MarkGutierrez
      @MarkGutierrez  13 днів тому

      Agree, the Sustainiac circuit looks very complex. But man, the sustainiac website looks like it was built in 1995.

  • @picksalot1
    @picksalot1 3 місяці тому

    "Albert A. Michelson invented the interferometer in the mid-1880s. Michelson was an American physicist who used the interferometer in his work, including the Michelson-Morley experiment."

  • @hughjanus5518
    @hughjanus5518 3 місяці тому

    So glad i watched this before i got a veyz

  • @Acousticeg
    @Acousticeg 3 місяці тому +1

    Tried a Schecter years ago. Been playing them ever since. Great guitars. First one was a Schecter Hellraiser Hybrid C-1FRS with EMG 57 and Sustainiac pickups. It;s still my favorite as far as guitars with the Sustainiac pickups because it has three knobs, Volume/Tone/Intensity. The Intensity knob is very helpful for getting just the right tone and amount of sustain. It also helps to use a string dampener to keep unwanted feedback from other strings at bay. Most of their other Sustainiac models do not have the Intensity knob. For anyone interested you can hear a post of the Schecter Hellraiser Hybrid C-1FRS with EMG 57 and Sustainiac pickups. Here: ua-cam.com/video/gfrxQgVu1sQ/v-deo.html

  • @Eric_01
    @Eric_01 3 місяці тому

    I love that color and am pretty angry that I didn't find the deal first!

  • @hydorah
    @hydorah 3 місяці тому

    The Veyz sustained works but it isn't a patch on the real thing and getting support is pretty much impossible. Mine worked on all strings in all modes, but is way weaker than a real sustainer I ended up with mine extremely close to the strings and it was never very pleasing to use and often not very pleasing to hear and it'd sometime take ages to excite the strings it was not inspiring. It was Behringeresque

  • @danrunnoft6642
    @danrunnoft6642 3 місяці тому +1

    Great comparison. I guess, this time you really do get what you pay for.

  • @donsigalet7620
    @donsigalet7620 3 місяці тому

    I am fortunate enough to be able to play LOAD at my place so real live sustain is awesome and really not copyable

  • @ollolol7879
    @ollolol7879 25 днів тому

    I love Fernandes it's sweet spot for me

  • @hellspark
    @hellspark 3 місяці тому

    So glad I didn't buy a Veys. I've looked at them a handful of times and the price was enticing.

  • @DavidRavenMoon
    @DavidRavenMoon Місяць тому

    That’s a great color. 🤷🏻‍♀️

  • @andrewvannoy6933
    @andrewvannoy6933 3 місяці тому +15

    Veyz sustainers are complete garbage. It's worth the money to buy a genuine Sustainiac or Fernandes

    • @JoeTheGuitarGuy96
      @JoeTheGuitarGuy96 3 місяці тому +1

      I got to agree. I had one back on 2021, but it was a pain to get set up, wiring stopped working, and never worked perfectly after that. Should’ve spent the extra to go with sustainiac. Maybe for my blue superstrat, never really use the neck/middle anyways.

    • @Dirge4july
      @Dirge4july 3 місяці тому

      Fernandes are not in production anymore so you'll be paying a lot of money to get one😊

    • @andrewvannoy6933
      @andrewvannoy6933 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Dirge4july Pay money for something that works or throw money in the garbage for something that doesn't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @jorge67891
      @jorge67891 3 місяці тому +1

      Biroe sustainer is good option.

    • @jamesmartin1797
      @jamesmartin1797 2 місяці тому +1

      I totally agree with this comment. Bought one and it sucked, they sold me a 'double boost' at a discount, and I sucked too. Save your money and buy a real Sustainiac!

  • @WildWildWeasel
    @WildWildWeasel 3 місяці тому

    tighten the nut of the sustainiac's on-off, it looked like it was about to come off lol

  • @Marta1Buck
    @Marta1Buck 3 місяці тому

    Veyz is 1/2 the prize there, 1/4 the price locally. The unfortunate thing about veyz is that the maker doesn't take criticism well. So, I wouldn't hold my breath for the product to get better.

    • @JeanGillesTouraine
      @JeanGillesTouraine 3 місяці тому +1

      It’s not about taking criticism, it’s that the guy does not understand what he’s doing. He found a DIY tutorial on the internet, followed it and called it a day.
      The customer support is trash because he doesn’t know how his product works

    • @morkovkachannel9101
      @morkovkachannel9101 Місяць тому

      It is sad but exactly

  • @Kiobo7n7
    @Kiobo7n7 3 місяці тому

    i think they sent you a god one, because in México i checked 2 of them and didnt work

  • @gery8989
    @gery8989 Місяць тому

    i wish i watched this earlier . i also bought the "copy" and got disappointed. i bought the original and then i got what i wanted. so guys. always check out before you buy. I would also like to mention that I wanted to send this copy back (I think we all know who Iit was) because I arranged for it to be returned, but no one ever responded to it again. Watch out people!

  • @GahMehGrrrr
    @GahMehGrrrr 3 місяці тому

    I really want one....Schecter

  • @Friedenf
    @Friedenf 3 місяці тому

    🤘

  • @brian770
    @brian770 3 місяці тому

    lol, i can hear all the purest out there melting down about you pulling off the plastic....lol

  • @ACWraith
    @ACWraith 3 місяці тому +2

    I'm tired of blue guitars and I still don't see how people can hate that finish.

  • @doctoribanez
    @doctoribanez 3 місяці тому

    As soon as I saw they ripped off how it looks I assumed it didn't work

  • @DoctorEnigma01
    @DoctorEnigma01 3 місяці тому +1

    You get what you pay for

  • @danielabilez3619
    @danielabilez3619 3 місяці тому

    Good Luck getting ahold of the guy that owns sustainiac. He is arrogant and even his schematic was wrong.
    I also have a veyz. Haven't tries it yet.

  • @epicneon6930
    @epicneon6930 3 місяці тому

    Veys are a scam, someone opened one they are pure placebo, the big magnet was just filled with toothpick wood

  • @RichardDuenaz
    @RichardDuenaz 3 місяці тому

    I HAVEA SUSTAINIAC AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL IF THE LOW STRINGS AND HI STRINGS COULD BE ACTIVATED SEPERATLY SO I FEEL THE CHEAP SUSTAINIACHAS ITS PURPOSE ASWELL SO NOT WORSE NOT BETTER BUT TOTALLY DIFFERENT BOTH ARE AWESOME IN MY OPINION WHEN YOU ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THEM TO BE ALIKE DIVERSITY CREATES LEGWENDS HELLO

    • @joeking433
      @joeking433 11 днів тому

      Are you in Singapore?