I was coming in to comment on the same thing. It's so rare that we get to see the initial consultation to work out what sort of restoration is being requested, so this was a rare look into another part of the process. I'm glad that Kit is still in studio and that the owner consented to be on camera. I hope we will get to see more pieces like this in the future.
At some point, Kitt needs 100% her own episode. Well, Julian can poke his head around the corner once and make a silly face, but yes, she needs her own episode!
I am glad to see that Kitt is now more involved with the procedures. Her humor and spunk are very healthy to see. Keep her in the videos. She's a great artisan.
congrats on finding someone who talks at the right speed for you! that's one of the hardest parts of language practice for me edit: it's a good idea also to have some variety! i've heard stories of people who learned a language from a tv show and then talk like the characters, in a way that native speakers can recognise. of course, there's nothing wrong with the way julien talks, but it's very formal, which could make it difficult for you to sound casual during casual conversations if you learn primarily from him. if you like minecraft videos, ethoslab is a youtuber who spoke slowly in the past and then gradually began to speak faster. if you start with his old playlists and work your way up to the new ones, it could be a good way of improving your listening speed! maybe other people have recommendations for similar channels?
@@Nepeta-Leijon I'am not a beginner in English, but I have mainly used technical English throughout my career as an electronics engineer (reading technical literature), so I have little experience of general conversation.
yup, my partner tried it. Her first therapist was an old man who made some very questionable statements about asian women in reply to her issues (an asian woman). The interaction made her cry afterwards. She tried again a few months later and found a female therapist who was a lot better, but that first experience should never have happened.
This got a lot more attention than I ever expected so I wanna stress that I hate to be that guy-- youtube is a tough business and virtually none of the common sponsors are exactly good. I don't begrudge anyone on here trying to make a living, just the companies that offer poor services or products. I pointed it out this time because of the greater potential for damage coming of of bad therapy (as opposed to like, someone selling kinda crappy earbuds) and because I know Mr. B has a successful conservation business and a long standing partnership with Squarespace already, so I know I'm not ruining an entire livelihood, and that makes this a better time and place to get the word out. So, no offense intended by this!! I love your work.
A craftsman passing on his trade, seeing the apprentices skill and confidence, being honed becoming as sharp as the teachers is well just magic. Thank You.
@@panpsychism_ I can! Betterhelp assigned me a "therapist" who was unlicensed, made unhelpful and borderline derogatory suggestions and critiques (when i wasn't even asking for that.) this happened three times and then i gave up. yes, three unlicensed therapists were assigned to me. how does that even happen? no clue. point is, they are not a good service in the slightest
@@mrpixiledd2489 thanks for letting me know about your experience. And good luck to you! There are good therapists out there but it takes some work to find them.
I don't know anything about the prices of art (for purchase) nor for restoration, but just watching you and Kit scrape adhesive for hours leads me to believe that the cost to restore this piece will far surpass the purchase price of a painting with a ripped face. This is also the reason why I suspect that museums must have in-house conservators, outsourcing must be too expensive to be practical on a regular basis.
to be fair the biggest cost in restoration jobs is the labor and knowledge which wont be much cheaper for a museum.. the materials used are (in comparison) a minimal cost though there is the cost of a workspace which is somewhat variable.. but the hours of work by a skilled person is where you pile up the costs
@@Simon-ho6ly sure, but I assume that expert restorers that charge per restoration do so with a premium hourly cost and an estimate for hours, where a museum might just pay an annual wage that doesn't come close.
@@XYGSteve a bit, but then if the museum pays too low, the conservator will likely look to setup on their own, in partnership with another conservator or look to move to higher pay... but on the flip side, many museums hold historically and culturally significant works which you probably dont want to put in the hands of the conservator you found who will accept bottom level pay for... meanwhile a private conservator may have a hard time finding clients with realistic budgets to restore what may often be, at least moneteraly lower value works..
Being in Kyiv, Ukraine, in war, under rocket fire, among pain, tears and losses, watching your videos is like a sip of a pure and soothing remedy, it’s like gaining hope that much can be restored and in the end beauty will prevail! I watched all your videos several times! Wishing you a successful completion of the restoration of such a complex case and looking forward to the next videos!
I have never encountered this level of pushback regarding a sponsor. Clearly you struck a nerve! How impressive that your subscribers think so highly of you (myself included) that they voice their displeasure directly rather than just move on and you never know why.
people just feel more comfortable trying to educate other people now, but are also very concerned and aware of the influence someone with almost two _million_ subscribers, he won't drop it if it's just a couple people saying "betterhelp bad" and betterhelp is BAAAD, wym "never know why?"
should they just shut up and not say anything?? this guys has millions of subscribers, he has a level of responsibility for promoting a company that sells its patients information to advertisers
It also shows how right UA-camrs were when they complained about each wave of adpocalypse. When the platform shows the ads, clearly without approval by the content creator, it is one thing. It's clear they bought the ad spot. When a content creator takes on a sponsor, they now approve of whatever they advertise, even if they have no idea what it is and only want the pay. People don't only see that as different, it is. And there clearly is demand for ad spots, as the sponsored segments clearly show. Those companies would buy ad spots had UA-cam not forced creators to take on sponsors by reducing ad payouts dramatically.
Behind the canvas is truly a masterpiece of a series, though I can’t help but love the restoration videos and how the format changes constantly, from only audio to only Julian and then videos with Kit and now a new format with the owner I absolutely love the change you present along with your team, I’ve loved your videos for 5 years now ❤ always brings me comfort
I love in the beginning when Kit was like, glad you volunteered 'cause I'm out.😄So happy to see her back in front of the camera. Can't wait to see how you finish this one.👍🏾❤️
It was mind boggling at how much damage someone did to the painting, I’m so looking forward to seeing this picture come back to life, thank goodness this artist has painted so many pictures along this theme that they can use his other works to make this picture come alive and tell the story he had tried to capture.
I thought I was the only one that used you as my second therapists lol. I can’t tell you how calming your videos are. They’re so interesting. I love watching them at the end of a hard day. Thank you very much for your videos.
I'm so glad that you still explain the washi cozo . paper, the scraping, the heat table. It brings me back to being comforted by the same bedtime story every night. And the journey of each painting is enchanting
I surmise that you wouldn’t have started this painting if you didn’t have a clear plan to success for the face. it’s nice to see you and Kit working together again on camera.
Very glad to see Kit again, she's a star as much as you and the painting is, Julian! Thank you so much for letting us glimpse into the world of art conservation!
Luckily there are images of this depiction without the damage ( Time Reveals the Truth / Allegory of Time Delivering Truth from Envy and Folly - Theodoor van Thulden ) ~1657
@@etienneE It could still be a copy made by the Theodoor van Thulden or it could be by a student of the time. Theodoor van Thulden painted many altarpieces so it wouldn't be odd for there to be more than one as churches would likely request images on the same theme. Only close examination or better still a signature would say for sure.
@@littlebacchus216 If you compare this painting to the original the difference in quality is pretty obvious. If this was painted by Thulden he put a LOT less time and effort into it.
Yes, the intro to this video was really like "More drama, baby"... Many of this old paintings have several copies, so it shouldn't be to difficult to recreate the face. It's not a portrait painting, but a quite generic mythological painting. Even if there isn't an original painting or another copy, it shouldn't be to difficult to create a matching face for it. Thank you for your research.
@@littlebacchus216 I don't think you would find this kind of painting in a church, but all the big palaces and manor houses needed a lot of decorative art, so why reinvent the wheel, if a copy of another painting would fulfill the purpose.
Yes, descent into madness! Oh My Goodness. My heart is breaking at each chunk of canvas that disappears because it wasn't done correctly the first time. This one will be a necessity to see it to the end.
You sir are a genius painter. I've watched you restore paitnings a number of times. After you cleaned them, restored them... you then retouched them, matching the color so effortlessly, so absolutely perfectly. That is truly a feat of magic... or just the staid hand of a disciplined, exceptional oil painting artist. I've retouched some of my own old oil paintings and I had a hard time color matching to my satisfaction on a couple of them.
Nice to see Kit again. As you were removing the overpainting revealing more and more damage and missing areas I couldn’t help thinking that painting a completely new artwork would be easier!
I am one of those who enjoy the videos for the pleasure of seeing something come back to live. And even enjoyed the contradictian, and the scrapping descent into madness. love it, respect for both you and Kit.
really unfortunate to see the betterhelp sponsorship :/ betterhelp's privacy issues have been well known for a while now, as well as the potentially dangerous consequences of the fact that betterhelp's therapists can be forced to ghost their clients if they're fired or otherwise lose access.
Their vetting process has also come into question many times, as there are many complaints against the professionalism and ethics of the "therapists" they hire. These are all things that have been known since very early 2021.
Have these accusations persisted after they got officially investigated? The investigation clearing them was the last thing I heard (about a year ago, I think).
@@sarahleonard7309 "Clearing" isn't the word I'd use. FTC found the accusations against BetterHelp (sharing private health data and selling user information) essentially true. The company has promised to do better in the future, but with such a big break of trust over such a sensitive business model, it is clear that questions remain. Combine that with general criticism of the idea of online therapy, and criticism from clients about unprofessional therapists etc. that weren't part of the FTC investigation, and it's not surprising that the accusations continue. I'd say that not enough time has passed to tell whether they'll honestly try to do better. Would I work with BetterHelp as a video sponsor if I had a UA-cam channel? I don't think so, not right now.
Julian, we love your channel and we understand your need for sponsorships in the videos, but PLEASE inform yourself on who you are getting the sponsorship from. BetterHelp has been known to use scammy practices and they WON'T help you with your mental health
Not sure if this applies here, but I know of a content creater who has to keep doing sponsorships (for a genuine service, not scams like betterhelp) for a company for a year due to a contract - maybe it's something similar here. I sure do hope julian isn't _this_ oblivious to the background of his sponsors.
It makes me so sad to think about. Somebody who really needs help and watches this uses it as motivation to finally get the help they need, trusting that since they've see it all over UA-cam it must be legit.. only to take their money and provide no help whatsoever, leaving them worse off than before. It's pretty shameful to see them still being accepted as a sponsor TBH.
They are a big tech company first, and a healthcare provider second (or third or fourth). They have had some data and confidentiality issues, pay therapists really poorly so folks don't stay, and many clients have experienced their therapist just disappearing without a proper termination because BH doesn't facilitate a proper end to treatment. If you're looking for virtual sessions, at least in the US, most private practice therapists are still offering telehealth. If you search and likely after a lot of money you can find the right therapist, but someone depressed is already finding help something rather difficult.
Might be controversial but I'd love to have more long form/all in one videos. I understand uploading in parts, and that you have a whole new series going on too as well as a full time job, but would love to be able to watch the whole process in one go without parts or breaks :) Regardless, I always enjoy watching you work to restore art in all its forms
His older videos are all-in-one, but the time between uploads was quite sparse. He ran a community or patron poll quite a while ago asking if people would prefer the episodic format with more regular uploads over the long form videos, and people voted yes so that's why the change happened. The good news for you though, is that you can scroll through his channel page and get your fix of all-in-one videos :)
I have really enjoyed your series on others involved behind the scenes of art conservation, but I'm also super stoked to see you back to conserving art. Super excited to see Kit back as well and getting more involved. Thanks for sharing; these videos are always a lovely watch, educational, and calming.
The piece REALLY had a number done on it. But I'm glad to see that Kit, the master's apprentice, is back. Was wondering where she had disappeared to but I think (hope) that she plays a roll in this restoration. If only for the experience she will gain.
Oh my, Kit's face and skin tone makes me look at that portrait and say she could have been the model way back then!! I just love the two of you working together and informing us how restorations really work! Wow ☺️
This is what I love in every aspect of life. Including the arts. Find something or someone and make it better. Whether I am baking,, fixing up an old, sorry looking piece of furniture ive found at a thrift store, helping someone, helping a pet. Help make it better. At this point I here you say the same thing. The opportunity to make it better. Much Love. Have a wonderful, helpful week. ❤
This painting and its consevation remind me a lot of my field, cartography. We never just make stuff up when data is missing, even when we're 99% certain of what should be there because we can never be completely certain. In our case, our clients really need accurate maps (I mainly make maps for mega wind and solar farm installs) to get planning permissions, to know what access they have, to know what is there already, to know what they'll need to purchase, etc. We just don't nessessarily know the original feature as we don't know the orignal intent of the artist (in this case, the artist is a farmer putting up fences deep within rural America, but you get what I mean)
@@abrilcb5749better help has poor vetting of therapists, leading to gay people being matched with Uber Christian therapists who try and "fix" their gayness with prayer, as well as privacy breaches to start with.
@@abrilcb5749 they sell user data and the counselors aren't therapists so that's how they get away with that, then there's the fact that it's a company based in Israel which is occupying Palestine and committing genocide so people are rightfully disappointed when a creator takes their sponsorship
a quiet skill I've noticed comparing this video to an older video I've watched recently, your cinematography skills have skyrocketed! I'd love to see a behind the scenes someday, how you set up the cameras and do time lapses and such
Good to see Julian and Kit working together on a complicated project. The challenges are more ethically focused than other restorations I've seen from this studio. It is interesting to watch them solve this additional hurdle.
Julian, introduction with the client, Kit in action, incredibly challenging restoration project....I am so overly excited!!! Can't wait for part 2 and/or subsequent episodes! Hopefully we get to see the client's reactions to the finished work at the end and can't wait to see a face reveal for what you came up with for the mysterious lady🎉❤
Absolutely fascinating,I’ve only recently started watching these videos only because it is so interesting to see how you resolve all these overwhelming situations!
I've recently gotten my portrait art returned to me, still being in highschool and whatnot, and i took your advice with the eyes being the most important part, starting there and making sure to emphesize on them. My art teacher complimented it so much, saying she could feel the soul & emotion in the drawing, something she mentioned others couldn't do easily and I couldn't be happier. Many others having complimented it as well. Basically, thank you for teaching me unintentionally, the importance of the eyes of a person across many of your videos. You're a great teacher, again, even if unintentional. I bet this face will be no different from your usuals, a masterpiece without straying away from the original artist's vision as much as physically feasible. Also YAY!! A thumbnail with pink arrows! Julian, you are spoiling us, TWO videos in a row with vibrant pink arrows?? (This one's more akin to a smidge cooler light carmine imo, but I obviously could be wrong. I'm not a color expert, nonetheless, very pretty choice.)
the way I as an artist understand conservation work: the point is not to make an old painting look new, but to make an old painting look like and old painting very well preserved
What I love about the videos with Kit in (aside from her complete adorableness) is that you can really see how Julian's experience speeds him up on tasks that you wouldn't really think could be done fast.
Hello Kit its nice to see you again. This must have been a daunting task to take on. I didnt realise how damaged it actually was. Im looking forward to seeing the reconstruction of this.
Yeah, for seeing Kit and the owner too! Hi Kit! And Julian- you are a brave soul for taking this job on.... as is the painter's owner. Kudos to him for wanting to save it, though. We need more people like that. I am trying to do the math for the restoration on this... and just oof!
I am always thrilled when there is a new )ulian video but despondent to realize there is a part two and I have to wait! This from a person who now binge watches whole series. The wait thing is not at all appealing! That being said, I am on tenterhooks to see Part Two.
wow i can't wait to see how you would even begin to repair this one! i've painted portraits so know how high the pressure is even with no other complicating matters. can't even imagine the pressure of finding a fitting face for a painting like this.
Julian what a cliffhanger! Would really enjoy seeing and hearing more in depth how you research a painting in order to understand its artist, the style/period and the subject matter. What is this subject? Maybe you will reveal these things in the next episodes. All of it of course to lead you to how to give her her face back!🙏🏽 Love to see your reference photos of other works as you retouch as you have shown us before 💚
Yay! Kit’s back. It’s great to watch someone else learn so you can learn along with them. That face is terrifying - it must be very close to the line between restoration and creation
Please don't accept sponsorships from BetterHelp, because they've been sued for illegal business practices and don't seem to care about the ethics of their customers :(
Yay! Kit's back! Not only am I interested in what you do, your voice is soothing and relaxing as well. So, I promise I watch the whole video first so I can see all of the super-cool things, but your videos are my emotional support background noise all the time. Oh boy, do y'all make it look easier than it is though!
I think you should use Kit as the model for the face. She has that timeless beauty. I never get tired of seeing life restored to these works. I appreciate the commitment of everyone behind the scene you have been educating us on as well as the people willing to invest in saving these works. Thank you for sharing with us.
Okay, YES. Featuring Kit and the owner is SUCH a good move! Love seeing this!
I was coming in to comment on the same thing. It's so rare that we get to see the initial consultation to work out what sort of restoration is being requested, so this was a rare look into another part of the process.
I'm glad that Kit is still in studio and that the owner consented to be on camera. I hope we will get to see more pieces like this in the future.
Kitt!! It’s been forever. She’s so funny!!
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At some point, Kitt needs 100% her own episode. Well, Julian can poke his head around the corner once and make a silly face, but yes, she needs her own episode!
Exactly
"Very astute observation" I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. You guys are all such treasures.
Love Kit's comedic relief against you drier humor ... Nice switch up in the routine. And looking forward to the repair of this one
I am glad to see that Kitt is now more involved with the procedures. Her humor and spunk are very healthy to see. Keep her in the videos. She's a great artisan.
I'm not just watching your video out of interest only,
I'm also watching it to improve my English,
your speaking speed matches my comprehension speed.
Good luck with your learning. I would love to learn another language but it never seems to stay in my brain!
That's great! He does have a nice, slow speaking style. Good luck with your learning!
congrats on finding someone who talks at the right speed for you! that's one of the hardest parts of language practice for me
edit: it's a good idea also to have some variety! i've heard stories of people who learned a language from a tv show and then talk like the characters, in a way that native speakers can recognise. of course, there's nothing wrong with the way julien talks, but it's very formal, which could make it difficult for you to sound casual during casual conversations if you learn primarily from him.
if you like minecraft videos, ethoslab is a youtuber who spoke slowly in the past and then gradually began to speak faster. if you start with his old playlists and work your way up to the new ones, it could be a good way of improving your listening speed!
maybe other people have recommendations for similar channels?
@@Nepeta-Leijon
I'am not a beginner in English, but I have mainly used technical English throughout my career as an electronics engineer (reading technical literature), so I have little experience of general conversation.
@@axelackens2157 oh awesome! julien's style of speaking is probably a good fit for the workplace; his tone is very professional
Hooray Kit! and more--THE OWNER also gets a part in the vid?? This is great! Now we can hear the interplay of owner's vision and conservator's methods
Unfortunately, BetterHelp has some very concerning practices regarding patient privacy and counselor competency. Excited for this project though!
thank youuuuuu
Fake news
@@mrpolnar1 Found the CEO of BetterHelp.
yup, my partner tried it. Her first therapist was an old man who made some very questionable statements about asian women in reply to her issues (an asian woman). The interaction made her cry afterwards. She tried again a few months later and found a female therapist who was a lot better, but that first experience should never have happened.
This got a lot more attention than I ever expected so I wanna stress that I hate to be that guy-- youtube is a tough business and virtually none of the common sponsors are exactly good. I don't begrudge anyone on here trying to make a living, just the companies that offer poor services or products. I pointed it out this time because of the greater potential for damage coming of of bad therapy (as opposed to like, someone selling kinda crappy earbuds) and because I know Mr. B has a successful conservation business and a long standing partnership with Squarespace already, so I know I'm not ruining an entire livelihood, and that makes this a better time and place to get the word out.
So, no offense intended by this!! I love your work.
A craftsman passing on his trade, seeing the apprentices skill and confidence, being honed becoming as sharp as the teachers is well just magic. Thank You.
"Kit is proud to have won the tack removal process" got a big laugh and a thumbs up 🙂
She may have won the tack removal but Julian is so much faster at scraping
Please drop betterhelp as a sponsor.
Can you say something about your experience, or what you know about BetterHelp?
@@panpsychism_ I can! Betterhelp assigned me a "therapist" who was unlicensed, made unhelpful and borderline derogatory suggestions and critiques (when i wasn't even asking for that.)
this happened three times and then i gave up. yes, three unlicensed therapists were assigned to me. how does that even happen? no clue.
point is, they are not a good service in the slightest
@@mrpixiledd2489 thanks for letting me know about your experience. And good luck to you! There are good therapists out there but it takes some work to find them.
It’s great seeing Kit back!!!
Not hiding in the background.
@dac9500Oh, boy, I can't wait to see the deft, socially nuanced reasoning behind this take.
@@dcallan812no shaming her for "hiding" if she doesn't want to be in a video
No, it's not.
@@projektkobra2247 thwhat’s your deal- there’s no need to be rude.
I don't know anything about the prices of art (for purchase) nor for restoration, but just watching you and Kit scrape adhesive for hours leads me to believe that the cost to restore this piece will far surpass the purchase price of a painting with a ripped face.
This is also the reason why I suspect that museums must have in-house conservators, outsourcing must be too expensive to be practical on a regular basis.
Suspect?
Of course the bigger ones have their own.
@@MumrikDK They have entire departments
to be fair the biggest cost in restoration jobs is the labor and knowledge which wont be much cheaper for a museum.. the materials used are (in comparison) a minimal cost though there is the cost of a workspace which is somewhat variable.. but the hours of work by a skilled person is where you pile up the costs
@@Simon-ho6ly sure, but I assume that expert restorers that charge per restoration do so with a premium hourly cost and an estimate for hours, where a museum might just pay an annual wage that doesn't come close.
@@XYGSteve a bit, but then if the museum pays too low, the conservator will likely look to setup on their own, in partnership with another conservator or look to move to higher pay... but on the flip side, many museums hold historically and culturally significant works which you probably dont want to put in the hands of the conservator you found who will accept bottom level pay for... meanwhile a private conservator may have a hard time finding clients with realistic budgets to restore what may often be, at least moneteraly lower value works..
As a painter, if one of my pieces was this badly damaged, I would understand it being thrown away. I'm also thankful for people like you.
Being in Kyiv, Ukraine, in war, under rocket fire, among pain, tears and losses, watching your videos is like a sip of a pure and soothing remedy, it’s like gaining hope that much can be restored and in the end beauty will prevail! I watched all your videos several times! Wishing you a successful completion of the restoration of such a complex case and looking forward to the next videos!
I have never encountered this level of pushback regarding a sponsor. Clearly you struck a nerve! How impressive that your subscribers think so highly of you (myself included) that they voice their displeasure directly rather than just move on and you never know why.
well it's for a very good reason, they're a horrible organization
people just feel more comfortable trying to educate other people now, but are also very concerned and aware of the influence someone with almost two _million_ subscribers, he won't drop it if it's just a couple people saying "betterhelp bad" and betterhelp is BAAAD, wym "never know why?"
should they just shut up and not say anything?? this guys has millions of subscribers, he has a level of responsibility for promoting a company that sells its patients information to advertisers
It also shows how right UA-camrs were when they complained about each wave of adpocalypse. When the platform shows the ads, clearly without approval by the content creator, it is one thing. It's clear they bought the ad spot. When a content creator takes on a sponsor, they now approve of whatever they advertise, even if they have no idea what it is and only want the pay. People don't only see that as different, it is.
And there clearly is demand for ad spots, as the sponsored segments clearly show. Those companies would buy ad spots had UA-cam not forced creators to take on sponsors by reducing ad payouts dramatically.
@@misomar7193Did you read the comment? Because this comment says they SHOULD say something.
The next part of this cannot come quickly enough! Thank you, Julian and Kit.
Behind the canvas is truly a masterpiece of a series, though I can’t help but love the restoration videos and how the format changes constantly, from only audio to only Julian and then videos with Kit and now a new format with the owner I absolutely love the change you present along with your team, I’ve loved your videos for 5 years now ❤ always brings me comfort
I love in the beginning when Kit was like, glad you volunteered 'cause I'm out.😄So happy to see her back in front of the camera. Can't wait to see how you finish this one.👍🏾❤️
It was mind boggling at how much damage someone did to the painting, I’m so looking forward to seeing this picture come back to life, thank goodness this artist has painted so many pictures along this theme that they can use his other works to make this picture come alive and tell the story he had tried to capture.
I thought I was the only one that used you as my second therapists lol. I can’t tell you how calming your videos are. They’re so interesting. I love watching them at the end of a hard day. Thank you very much for your videos.
I'm so glad that you still explain the washi cozo . paper, the scraping, the heat table. It brings me back to being comforted by the same bedtime story every night. And the journey of each painting is enchanting
I surmise that you wouldn’t have started this painting if you didn’t have a clear plan to success for the face. it’s nice to see you and Kit working together again on camera.
Very glad to see Kit again, she's a star as much as you and the painting is, Julian! Thank you so much for letting us glimpse into the world of art conservation!
KIT!!! I'm so happy to see Kit back! Kit we love you!
Luckily there are images of this depiction without the damage ( Time Reveals the Truth / Allegory of Time Delivering Truth from Envy and Folly - Theodoor van Thulden ) ~1657
So would this be a copy? As they have it at the Hermitage in St. Petersburg.
@@etienneE It could still be a copy made by the Theodoor van Thulden or it could be by a student of the time. Theodoor van Thulden painted many altarpieces so it wouldn't be odd for there to be more than one as churches would likely request images on the same theme. Only close examination or better still a signature would say for sure.
@@littlebacchus216 If you compare this painting to the original the difference in quality is pretty obvious. If this was painted by Thulden he put a LOT less time and effort into it.
Yes, the intro to this video was really like "More drama, baby"...
Many of this old paintings have several copies, so it shouldn't be to difficult to recreate the face.
It's not a portrait painting, but a quite generic mythological painting. Even if there isn't an original painting or another copy, it shouldn't be to difficult to create a matching face for it.
Thank you for your research.
@@littlebacchus216 I don't think you would find this kind of painting in a church, but all the big palaces and manor houses needed a lot of decorative art, so why reinvent the wheel, if a copy of another painting would fulfill the purpose.
Yes, descent into madness! Oh My Goodness. My heart is breaking at each chunk of canvas that disappears because it wasn't done correctly the first time. This one will be a necessity to see it to the end.
You sir are a genius painter. I've watched you restore paitnings a number of times. After you cleaned them, restored them... you then retouched them, matching the color so effortlessly, so absolutely perfectly. That is truly a feat of magic... or just the staid hand of a disciplined, exceptional oil painting artist. I've retouched some of my own old oil paintings and I had a hard time color matching to my satisfaction on a couple of them.
The owner must really value this painting to have you put such an enormous amount of work into it. I guess he knows you are up for the challenge.
Must have gotten it for nearly free to be willing to put this much into it lol
Scraping, scraping, scraping…. Another slow descent into madness
Oddly enough, it looked just like the usual rabbit skin glue even if he mentioned no solvent worked...
@@guillermojperea6355looks can be deceiving
One of my absolute favourites!!
Thought the same thing!
I love that video
Nice to see Kit again. As you were removing the overpainting revealing more and more damage and missing areas I couldn’t help thinking that painting a completely new artwork would be easier!
I am one of those who enjoy the videos for the pleasure of seeing something come back to live. And even enjoyed the contradictian, and the scrapping descent into madness.
love it, respect for both you and Kit.
Oooh,it's a treat getting to not only see Kit but to hear Kit as well! I hope she stays having a big part in this.
Love seeing kit, she is such a delight, she lightens you up a little bit with her sense of humor
really unfortunate to see the betterhelp sponsorship :/ betterhelp's privacy issues have been well known for a while now, as well as the potentially dangerous consequences of the fact that betterhelp's therapists can be forced to ghost their clients if they're fired or otherwise lose access.
Their vetting process has also come into question many times, as there are many complaints against the professionalism and ethics of the "therapists" they hire. These are all things that have been known since very early 2021.
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Thumbnail had the right caption for this, most likely unintentionally.
Have these accusations persisted after they got officially investigated? The investigation clearing them was the last thing I heard (about a year ago, I think).
@@sarahleonard7309 "Clearing" isn't the word I'd use. FTC found the accusations against BetterHelp (sharing private health data and selling user information) essentially true. The company has promised to do better in the future, but with such a big break of trust over such a sensitive business model, it is clear that questions remain. Combine that with general criticism of the idea of online therapy, and criticism from clients about unprofessional therapists etc. that weren't part of the FTC investigation, and it's not surprising that the accusations continue.
I'd say that not enough time has passed to tell whether they'll honestly try to do better. Would I work with BetterHelp as a video sponsor if I had a UA-cam channel? I don't think so, not right now.
The banter with Kit was great fun. What a challenge, to divine and honour the artist’s intention. Great stuff!
Julian, we love your channel and we understand your need for sponsorships in the videos, but PLEASE inform yourself on who you are getting the sponsorship from. BetterHelp has been known to use scammy practices and they WON'T help you with your mental health
Not sure if this applies here, but I know of a content creater who has to keep doing sponsorships (for a genuine service, not scams like betterhelp) for a company for a year due to a contract - maybe it's something similar here. I sure do hope julian isn't _this_ oblivious to the background of his sponsors.
@@maxz8807 if this is the case, he can always rescind the contract. He would lose the money, but I'd prefer that over being sued for fraud.
@@maxz8807 I think that if you don't stand squarely behind giving s sponsor space in your videos, a contract can maybe be terminated.🤣
I'm glad people on this channel know this. I see so many content creators promote them and don't see enough comments like this.
These comments don’t match what is going on in video. Hm
Thank You Julian, Thank You Kit... On of your best and the anticipation of Part 2 is WONDERFUL!!!..TM
Very disappointed by the Better Help sponsorship. It's impossible to be ignorant of their scummy practices at this point.
At this point it’s fair to say just about anything promoted for payment in UA-cam videos is a scam company or shady as hell
adds might be the only thing keeping this channel alive. We know BH are cr@p just skip past it.
It makes me so sad to think about. Somebody who really needs help and watches this uses it as motivation to finally get the help they need, trusting that since they've see it all over UA-cam it must be legit.. only to take their money and provide no help whatsoever, leaving them worse off than before. It's pretty shameful to see them still being accepted as a sponsor TBH.
They are a big tech company first, and a healthcare provider
second (or third or fourth). They have had some data and confidentiality issues, pay therapists really poorly so folks don't stay, and many clients have experienced their therapist just disappearing without a proper termination because BH doesn't facilitate a
proper end to treatment. If you're looking for virtual sessions, at least in the US, most private practice therapists are still offering telehealth.
If you search and likely after a lot of money you can find the right therapist, but someone depressed is already finding help something rather difficult.
I have zero idea of their practices 🤷🏼♀️
Might be controversial but I'd love to have more long form/all in one videos. I understand uploading in parts, and that you have a whole new series going on too as well as a full time job, but would love to be able to watch the whole process in one go without parts or breaks :) Regardless, I always enjoy watching you work to restore art in all its forms
His older videos are all-in-one, but the time between uploads was quite sparse. He ran a community or patron poll quite a while ago asking if people would prefer the episodic format with more regular uploads over the long form videos, and people voted yes so that's why the change happened. The good news for you though, is that you can scroll through his channel page and get your fix of all-in-one videos :)
Its nice to see you working with kit and also see the pre conversation with the piece owner
I can’t wait to learn how you decide what to do for the face!
Glad to see Kit is still there and joining you on a piece that needs a TON of work.
Kit is back! How many people have missed the faithful assistant?!?
I have really enjoyed your series on others involved behind the scenes of art conservation, but I'm also super stoked to see you back to conserving art. Super excited to see Kit back as well and getting more involved. Thanks for sharing; these videos are always a lovely watch, educational, and calming.
The piece REALLY had a number done on it.
But I'm glad to see that Kit, the master's apprentice, is back.
Was wondering where she had disappeared to but I think (hope) that she plays a roll in this restoration.
If only for the experience she will gain.
Oh my, Kit's face and skin tone makes me look at that portrait and say she could have been the model way back then!! I just love the two of you working together and informing us how restorations really work! Wow ☺️
Hi, Kit! So nice to see you again!! Being all snarky and awesome.
Part one of ten? Seriously, what a huge task, your energy and work ethic are an inspiration.
This is what I love in every aspect of life. Including the arts. Find something or someone and make it better. Whether I am baking,, fixing up an old, sorry looking piece of furniture ive found at a thrift store, helping someone, helping a pet.
Help make it better. At this point I here you say the same thing. The opportunity to make it better. Much Love. Have a wonderful, helpful week. ❤
This channel and Escape to Rural France are my go to relax, learn and just enjoy channels.
This painting and its consevation remind me a lot of my field, cartography. We never just make stuff up when data is missing, even when we're 99% certain of what should be there because we can never be completely certain. In our case, our clients really need accurate maps (I mainly make maps for mega wind and solar farm installs) to get planning permissions, to know what access they have, to know what is there already, to know what they'll need to purchase, etc. We just don't nessessarily know the original feature as we don't know the orignal intent of the artist (in this case, the artist is a farmer putting up fences deep within rural America, but you get what I mean)
Betterhelp add is scarier than a painting not having a face
agree!
it would be good that if you are commenting this let the people know why.
@abrilcb5749 I presume, it 1) very obvious 2) we can google it by ourself
@@abrilcb5749better help has poor vetting of therapists, leading to gay people being matched with Uber Christian therapists who try and "fix" their gayness with prayer, as well as privacy breaches to start with.
@@abrilcb5749 they sell user data and the counselors aren't therapists so that's how they get away with that, then there's the fact that it's a company based in Israel which is occupying Palestine and committing genocide so people are rightfully disappointed when a creator takes their sponsorship
a quiet skill I've noticed comparing this video to an older video I've watched recently, your cinematography skills have skyrocketed! I'd love to see a behind the scenes someday, how you set up the cameras and do time lapses and such
I'm so glad to see Kit is still around!
I am amazed at the patience you have to have to do that kind of work. Incredible.
Kit adds a nice interesting spark and balance.
Yeah...Kit is back. It's so nice to see her work with you. Thanks.
Wow, massive undertaking. Julian, you and Kit are courageous!
Good to see Julian and Kit working together on a complicated project. The challenges are more ethically focused than other restorations I've seen from this studio. It is interesting to watch them solve this additional hurdle.
So awesome seeing Kit back!
Wow! That poor painting! Loved seeing Kit again. Can’t wait to see the final episode when the painting is restored. ❤
Julian, introduction with the client, Kit in action, incredibly challenging restoration project....I am so overly excited!!! Can't wait for part 2 and/or subsequent episodes! Hopefully we get to see the client's reactions to the finished work at the end and can't wait to see a face reveal for what you came up with for the mysterious lady🎉❤
This is one of the most exciting projects on this channel. Can't wait to see this painting whole.
Betterhelp illegally sold user data to advertisers. Please stop supporting them
one hand washes the other
@@JuanGil-c6n follow the nose
Every company does
@@Pumpkin_king1205 radically different though, this is medical and confidential. not your browser history or your PH search
@JuanGil-c6n that's...not relates at all?
Julian and Kit you are awesome for working on such a challenging project. I can't wait to see how it turns out!
Absolutely fascinating,I’ve only recently started watching these videos only because it is so interesting to see how you resolve all these overwhelming situations!
Nice to see you have Kit working with you! It makes for a less lonely atmosphere. 😁👍
Im looking forward to seeing how you create the face 😊. Your videos are so interesting. It's great to see Kit.
I'm fascinated by this project and can't wait for part 2. And yes, it's great to see Kitt again!
I've recently gotten my portrait art returned to me, still being in highschool and whatnot, and i took your advice with the eyes being the most important part, starting there and making sure to emphesize on them.
My art teacher complimented it so much, saying she could feel the soul & emotion in the drawing, something she mentioned others couldn't do easily and I couldn't be happier. Many others having complimented it as well.
Basically, thank you for teaching me unintentionally, the importance of the eyes of a person across many of your videos. You're a great teacher, again, even if unintentional. I bet this face will be no different from your usuals, a masterpiece without straying away from the original artist's vision as much as physically feasible.
Also YAY!! A thumbnail with pink arrows! Julian, you are spoiling us, TWO videos in a row with vibrant pink arrows?? (This one's more akin to a smidge cooler light carmine imo, but I obviously could be wrong. I'm not a color expert, nonetheless, very pretty choice.)
Good to see you again Kit! That is one rouuughhh painting to help, but I know you and Julian have the skills for it!
Great to see Kit back in the loop.
I am so excited to this! LOVE seeing Kit and the owner!
It's so satisfying seeing you and Kit work parallel to each other and at the same time. Also welcome back Kit!
the way I as an artist understand conservation work:
the point is not to make an old painting look new, but to make an old painting look like and old painting very well preserved
Super excited to see how this turns out!!😊
What I love about the videos with Kit in (aside from her complete adorableness) is that you can really see how Julian's experience speeds him up on tasks that you wouldn't really think could be done fast.
OMG, this could be a five-part series!
Wow! What a challenge. I felt the same way when Kit said glad you volunteered ,..lol I am looking forward to part two to this face off.
I like that people seem to love Kit. I mean, seeing her from time to time was fine for me, but seeing her more is good too
Hello Kit its nice to see you again. This must have been a daunting task to take on. I didnt realise how damaged it actually was. Im looking forward to seeing the reconstruction of this.
I will never EVER stop watching your videos Julian!!!
Yeah, for seeing Kit and the owner too!
Hi Kit!
And Julian- you are a brave soul for taking this job on.... as is the painter's owner. Kudos to him for wanting to save it, though. We need more people like that.
I am trying to do the math for the restoration on this... and just oof!
I am always thrilled when there is a new )ulian video but despondent to realize there is a part two and I have to wait! This from a person who now binge watches whole series. The wait thing is not at all appealing! That being said, I am on tenterhooks to see Part Two.
Welcome back Kit, we missed you!
So glad to see Kit back! The scraping being a main feature was a delight for me but probably not for you 😂
Loved Kit's snark in the beginning. But wow this is a herculean task. I'm excited to see how it goes.
Kit is back!!! ❤
wow i can't wait to see how you would even begin to repair this one! i've painted portraits so know how high the pressure is even with no other complicating matters. can't even imagine the pressure of finding a fitting face for a painting like this.
Loved seeing Kit again.
Julian what a cliffhanger! Would really enjoy seeing and hearing more in depth how you research a painting in order to understand its artist, the style/period and the subject matter. What is this subject? Maybe you will reveal these things in the next episodes. All of it of course to lead you to how to give her her face back!🙏🏽 Love to see your reference photos of other works as you retouch as you have shown us before 💚
Yay! Kit’s back. It’s great to watch someone else learn so you can learn along with them.
That face is terrifying - it must be very close to the line between restoration and creation
what face???
I can't wait until one day Kit has her own first painting restoration. I hope she takes us on that journey with her!
Please don't accept sponsorships from BetterHelp, because they've been sued for illegal business practices and don't seem to care about the ethics of their customers :(
this episode added more dimension to your videos. First your videos are so well done and adding the client and Kit has left me wanting the next.
Love Kit! Love this challenging painting! Despise Betterhelp being the sponsor :(
Yay! Kit's back!
Not only am I interested in what you do, your voice is soothing and relaxing as well. So, I promise I watch the whole video first so I can see all of the super-cool things, but your videos are my emotional support background noise all the time. Oh boy, do y'all make it look easier than it is though!
KIT!!!!!! So happy to see her again, we've missed u!!!!
Kit!! I missed you!! 😄🤗 happy to see you back in videos!
I think you should use Kit as the model for the face. She has that timeless beauty.
I never get tired of seeing life restored to these works.
I appreciate the commitment of everyone behind the scene you have been educating us on as well as the people willing to invest in saving these works.
Thank you for sharing with us.