@@unclerobbieslug this may explain why I was able to ace a job interview where they were asking questions from a sheet of paper with the answers on it.
Hrm. Been playing since the 90s. I just ask to look at the card. Then after seeing cards like 1000x its then the game of artwork that manages to give people PTSD after memorizing the damn cards. Fucking artwork
So I was watching this when my roommate came home and I was kind of embarrassed. Then she revealed that she plays Magic every Sunday night with her friends. I like my roommate.
Spellslingers returns with two #eSports so-and-so's taking each other on at the table -- Day9TV VS. Michele Boyd in Magic: The Gathering! Tell us about the most fun you've ever had playing MTG in the comments!
I feast on the tears of the stupid raging goonbros in the comments. Good episode. Not being a MtG player, aside from feeble losses to my son to make him feel passable, I appreciate an approach that doesn't assume I'm an idiot or that I have a deck always in my pocket.
Echo cost only applies if "At the beginning of your upkeep, this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep" so she only pays the echo cost one time unless she loses control of it then gets control back.
5 years later and this is one of the best episodes, great dialogues and the game itself was entertaining enough with comebacks and misplays. Michele is great.
I find it interesting that a lot of the people watching these videos are people who have not, do not currently, or have just recently started playing Magic. I don't feel so alone :)
That is why I started watching the show. I watched other tutorial style videos to get the basics, but this is by far the best when you actually want to follow along. I have tried watching tournament videos, but they move along so fast because they expect people to just know what the card is by hearing the name. Which is impossible for newbies unless you memorized everything lol. Now having been playing MtG for several months and knowing all the mechanics it is nice to watch for the banter, and the casual play, and I still learn things every so often. I wish they would make more...
I started playing Magic back in 1995 but I haven't played in over 10 years. So I definitely feel like a newbie since the game has changed a lot over the years.
Just came into magic again, since i started when i was very small in the mid-> late 90's .... can you make more of these with modern decks. I really enjoy it. Actually it was these clips that got me into playing again! :D
I appreciate greatly (as an more experienced player) you are slowly trusting the players to know more of the basics and moving on to slightly more complex elements
Totally fun. I have watched both the Plotts for awhile now, and just discovered this little mini-series today. I am saddened that I don't see any more episodes (watched all...6?). Thanks for the entertainment, anyway. Good stuff.
Constructive criticism: She should have kept the mana open instead of playing and sacking that creature at about the 16:25 mark. It isn't a tap ability so she could wait to do it on the opponents turn, without worrying about summoning sickness etc. Because of that she could declare her creature as a blocker (if when Sean swung), and then sac it in response. Sean's creature wouldn't have been dealt damage but she also wouldn't take damage, since the attacking creature just swings into empty air. Much better utility and allows her to wait in case a better reason to sac that creature had arisen.
That's very true and she also should have attacked him with the Recluse before playing it. He would not have blocked because the only thing he had able to do so he didn't want to die. The creature would have hit the field as a 6/6 and he only had 6 toughness on board. Honestly, he could have killed the Recluse with the Rider's tap ability end of her turn right after he enchanted it or any time after. Lots of missplays but still pretty fun to watch most of the time.
***** She can respond to that by activating the skargg pit and saving the recluse but doing so means she wont be able to cast skybreaker that turn. Matt got it right, theres no reason to sac right away when its not a sorcery-based ability
Kevin M she has way too much sass for my liking. Like, a rude egotistical amount. That might just be what I get from this episode but it's enough. Total turn-off
I keep getting notices of this post and i thought id re watch, holy crap she also has a x-men shirt... ok she's gone from perfect to mythical now. X-men is my jam. EDIT:: Oh and upon wiki search she was born oct 29th 1980! sept 4th myself 1980. Good year. She looks so young too!! Definitely mythical woman.
im so glad they made more, and anders nilsson yes their is, I have a few decks of MTG 2014 at my place.. Just no one to play it with... Anyway love the videos and just watching them teaches me so much more about magic, keep it up Day[9]!
Your little couplet is about one syllable off from a standing ovation, If you can think of a good adjective for beauty, I think you would have a winner. That being said I didn't think she was trying to mesmerize him with her looks and as far as "playing nice" goes I think he was a little too casual about letting her take back the declared block with the recluse... But otherwise he was pretty intense, even salty, toward the end of the game.
Anthony Hughes I'm not an experienced Magic player, but I'm not sure if the recluse won her the game. His slow opening and her crater hellion seemed to have tipped the scales to her advantage
qPhoenixTTTT KlotzProductions Be excellent at magic. You don't need to be famous to get in, you can still get in if you aren't an actor,actress or prime minister of education ha ha ha don't worry you don't need to be famous but you need to be very good at magic
Another great episode, and this one was highly entertaining, too. Some good twists to the game, and I didn't know which way it was going to go for most of the game.
+bruno edwards She's not just a grill though, she's a grill that's Hollywood pretty. I wish people had other things to say about the game other than how attractive she is, but I also can't believe no one has commented on how pretty her hands are.
Bought myself the recent holiday box for another trading card game, cracked the packs and thought they were neat. An intro pack and deck builder's toolkit later, I'm so ready to get more cards XD
Right on dude! I'm pretty experienced and still changing my game. Once you get better, you can move to buying event decks, fat packs, and individual cards. For myself I want to buy individuals and booster boxes since I want to win a pro tour qualifier. My best finish was 30th
Ever since watching the game with Jesse Cox, my friends have taught me how to play Magic and I have to say I found it enjoyable if not confusing to learn.
At 15:17, doesn't the +1/+1 resolve before the other stuff(if she decided to activate the ability) does? Since he interrupted her from doing it the first time, she never gave her creature the +1/+1, so it was never put on the stack. Then he played all his stuff and brought the creature down to 0 toughness. If she then had activated the ability, the +1/+1 would activate before everything else(since it's the the highest on the stack), and it would survive. Or am I missing something?
The ability is on the stack but when the toughness of the creature hits 0 it's destroyed as a state-based effect. I don't think pumping it first was a misplay at all though, since she wanted to give it trample. And Sean still could've killed it after combat, the 1 damage from his chump blocker would make up for the +1/+1 they could've applied in response
@@blanklink That land's ability isn't a mana ability. It goes on the stack, then before it resolved he brought it's toughness down to 0. It died as a state based action. Then the land ability resolves but has an invalid target meaning that it fizzled and did nothing.
Yeah, I thought the same, but I paused where it showed the card up close and here is what it says for Echo: "At the beginning of your upkeep, if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay its echo cost" it is in between the commas.
A lot of people metioning this. Noticed it myself but then went back to read the card carefully. The echo effects needs to paid only once and needs to be paid during the next upkeep after summoning it. After you have gone a whole turn with the creature on the board and you haven't summoned that creature the echo doesn't need to be paid.
ToBePro101 Let's go over what happened with the creature. Ìt got summoned during a mane phase and had it's summoning sickness so it didn't attack, then during Michele's upkeep she untapped all her cards and the echo ability activated. The echo activated since the creature was not summoned before her last upkeep and this first time she did pay the price. Then, next turn, again during her upkeep she untapped and the echo ability did not activate since the creature was summoned before her last upkeep. All this effectively means that echo effects activate only once in normal circumstances.
In regards to Michele's comment about reading upside down: I just turn my things towards my opponent when they're summoning sick. That way I know that they can't attack, and my opponent can read them.
"I swear half of magic is learning to read upside down" OMG THAT IS THE BEST MAGIC QUOTE EVER :')
it really is true. i feel like i am better at reading upside down .
@@unclerobbieslug this may explain why I was able to ace a job interview where they were asking questions from a sheet of paper with the answers on it.
That is a great tshirt quote printed upside down!
Hrm. Been playing since the 90s. I just ask to look at the card. Then after seeing cards like 1000x its then the game of artwork that manages to give people PTSD after memorizing the damn cards.
Fucking artwork
She ain't wrong.
So I was watching this when my roommate came home and I was kind of embarrassed. Then she revealed that she plays Magic every Sunday night with her friends. I like my roommate.
Are you two married now?
I really wish they're married as well
Espero que você tenha se casado com ela meu amigo
We need closure, did you marry her or what?
And then you woke up
Love the explanation for the mountain. "Mountains are huge rocks basically." Whoever came up with that is now my favorite person.
''Hey you can pump a dude''
''WHAT!?''
lol this was priceless
Yeah.. I may, or may not have spat my drink over my monitor when I heard that. I'm so childish. -.-' (It was pretty funny, though!)
It’s funny cause we’re twelve years old.
Spellslingers returns with two #eSports so-and-so's taking each other on at the table -- Day9TV VS. Michele Boyd in Magic: The Gathering!
Tell us about the most fun you've ever had playing MTG in the comments!
I feast on the tears of the stupid raging goonbros in the comments. Good episode. Not being a MtG player, aside from feeble losses to my son to make him feel passable, I appreciate an approach that doesn't assume I'm an idiot or that I have a deck always in my pocket.
So.. Day9TV
Why do you tap to the left?
Fantastic victory! :)
Jason Beardsley WHY DO YOU TAP TO THE RIGHT?
Jace Beleren Because the tap symbol points to the right? ;)
"Duel decks tend to be evenly matched"
*looks at Sorin vs. Tibalt"
*Laughs*
Echo cost only applies if "At the beginning of your upkeep, this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep" so she only pays the echo cost one time unless she loses control of it then gets control back.
5 years later and this is one of the best episodes, great dialogues and the game itself was entertaining enough with comebacks and misplays. Michele is great.
9:31 Did they...did they just censor "crap"?
@@Xerdoz edgy
I find it interesting that a lot of the people watching these videos are people who have not, do not currently, or have just recently started playing Magic. I don't feel so alone :)
That is why I started watching the show. I watched other tutorial style videos to get the basics, but this is by far the best when you actually want to follow along. I have tried watching tournament videos, but they move along so fast because they expect people to just know what the card is by hearing the name. Which is impossible for newbies unless you memorized everything lol.
Now having been playing MtG for several months and knowing all the mechanics it is nice to watch for the banter, and the casual play, and I still learn things every so often. I wish they would make more...
Galiant2010 I wish too. Very nice and educationnal show for casual mtg. season 3 HYYYPE!
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Duncan Van Ooyen
I am one such dude. I don't even know the rules of this game. I am more of a Gwent player actually.
I started playing Magic back in 1995 but I haven't played in over 10 years. So I definitely feel like a newbie since the game has changed a lot over the years.
How's your MTG life so far? I've still not played despite watching these videos because MTG decks here in our country are pricey.
"I swear half of Magic is learning to read upside-down." Hahaha she nailed it.
She ain't wrong.
Just came into magic again, since i started when i was very small in the mid-> late 90's .... can you make more of these with modern decks. I really enjoy it. Actually it was these clips that got me into playing again! :D
I love who ever does the titles that pop up, not only is the info useful they crack me up. laughing.
These two have excellent chemistry and it just makes the game so much fun to watch.
"You can Pump a Dude," is totally innocuous in the The scene, but say it in front of a cute young lady, well.... Hilarious stuff. Great episode, Sean.
Plus, SEAN: Arthritic hands in your future there is.
This is my favorite. I would watch a series where Sean and Michele just try different decks, formats, sets, etc.
Great game to watch! Any woman who knows how to play MTG, quotes Monty Python cant be bad
I truly appreciate the guy who's doing the instructional text for these episodes.
"Oo I like my cards, you can go now." Lols
I appreciate greatly (as an more experienced player) you are slowly trusting the players to know more of the basics and moving on to slightly more complex elements
I'd been playing for 13 years before I discovered the second main phase. Trust me you have nothing to be ashamed of!
Totally fun. I have watched both the Plotts for awhile now, and just discovered this little mini-series today. I am saddened that I don't see any more episodes (watched all...6?). Thanks for the entertainment, anyway. Good stuff.
IDK how day[9] tricked WotC into letting him play magic with his friends, using free cards, as a show, but I am jealous.
Also, fun show!
This is my new favorite series. Thanks for the recommendation UA-cam.
Constructive criticism: She should have kept the mana open instead of playing and sacking that creature at about the 16:25 mark. It isn't a tap ability so she could wait to do it on the opponents turn, without worrying about summoning sickness etc. Because of that she could declare her creature as a blocker (if when Sean swung), and then sac it in response. Sean's creature wouldn't have been dealt damage but she also wouldn't take damage, since the attacking creature just swings into empty air. Much better utility and allows her to wait in case a better reason to sac that creature had arisen.
That's very true and she also should have attacked him with the Recluse before playing it. He would not have blocked because the only thing he had able to do so he didn't want to die. The creature would have hit the field as a 6/6 and he only had 6 toughness on board.
Honestly, he could have killed the Recluse with the Rider's tap ability end of her turn right after he enchanted it or any time after.
Lots of missplays but still pretty fun to watch most of the time.
*****
She can respond to that by activating the skargg pit and saving the recluse but doing so means she wont be able to cast skybreaker that turn. Matt got it right, theres no reason to sac right away when its not a sorcery-based ability
You are very right, I got it wrong. Never played with that particular card before and got it ability wrong. Thanks for the correction.
I have to say, the descriptions/explanations in this episode were really really entertaining.
As of now 191,169 people have heard Day9 say "You can pump a dude!" And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
This is an awesome video! I love Sean and Michele. Already knew Sean and the chemistry they both had made this a lovely video to watch. Cheers!
Would like the point out it is pronounced "Cav-al-ry" not "Cal-ver-ee". You can tell because the letters are in that order.
gg
TIL that I have never heard this word pronounced correctly.
Pronounciation and spelling rarely match in English, so that is not much of an argument. :)
Well played. It was fun watching this match unfold. Both decks are very interesting, but damn that Crater Hellion hits like a truck.
she does have the most beautiful eyes
I just really love how Sean has been doing this "One time, just one time" thing for the last few months.
Am I becoming old now for thinking "dude needs to iron his shirt"
Yes... yes you are. ;-)
u hush
U did ask if it made you old :)
RUdigitized Haha, it's linen, that's how the fabric looks after you wear it for like 15 minutes even if you do iron it.
I don't even know old people that iron. If you fold shit like an adult, you don't have to lol
this is quickly becoming my favorite show on youtube.
I die a little inside when people say calvary instead of cavalry.
Another fun episode! You guys are really on a roll! Please commit to more new episodes before the initial 6 run dry...
A beautiful woman that can quote classic monty python, and destroy you at magic... Very cool.
Kevin M Every nerd's dream... all it's missing is top-notch sandwich making.
Poetabrasileiro Wow I can see the fedora already.
Peter Duncliffe Same goes for you, I can already see the fedora.
Joe Gaviglio He's joking... Probably... Hopefully...
Kevin M she has way too much sass for my liking. Like, a rude egotistical amount. That might just be what I get from this episode but it's enough. Total turn-off
The look on Michelle's face when she top decked the Crater Hellion was one of the most beautiful smiles I've ever seen.
Please make this a best-out-of-three thing, 20 minutes of magic a week is not a lot.
I've never played MTG, but I'm enjoying the hell out of this series.
The perfect woman. Fun, magic and a gorgeous dag.
And she curses like a sailor, nooooiccce.
DrDomVonDoom After Wikipedia, found she was born to a navy family.... Lol no wonder.
I keep getting notices of this post and i thought id re watch, holy crap she also has a x-men shirt... ok she's gone from perfect to mythical now. X-men is my jam. EDIT:: Oh and upon wiki search she was born oct 29th 1980! sept 4th myself 1980. Good year. She looks so young too!! Definitely mythical woman.
Nikunj Majithis Yes, because God forbid straight guys actually admire a woman.
Im tired of you insulting and abusing people Nikunj, get a life.
im so glad they made more, and anders nilsson yes their is, I have a few decks of MTG 2014 at my place.. Just no one to play it with... Anyway love the videos and just watching them teaches me so much more about magic, keep it up Day[9]!
Day9 is fooled by sultry looks and plays nice to his own demise. Woe beith the condition of man laid low by beauty's vapid glow.
Your little couplet is about one syllable off from a standing ovation, If you can think of a good adjective for beauty, I think you would have a winner.
That being said I didn't think she was trying to mesmerize him with her looks and as far as "playing nice" goes I think he was a little too casual about letting her take back the declared block with the recluse... But otherwise he was pretty intense, even salty, toward the end of the game.
Eh, she corrected his 19 life at the beginning. It was a nice, friendly match.
MrWillarti a takeback that won her the game is in a whole different league, but yeah it's in the spirit of the series
Anthony Hughes I'm not an experienced Magic player, but I'm not sure if the recluse won her the game. His slow opening and her crater hellion seemed to have tipped the scales to her advantage
MrWillarti he would've landed a ton of damage with the flying horsie if she didn't have it
This video looks so good :D the editing is awesome! Feels like I'm watching some reality tv show...except it's Magic.
So how do I get on this show?
Be famous
qPhoenixTTTT KlotzProductions Be excellent at magic. You don't need to be famous to get in, you can still get in if you aren't an actor,actress or prime minister of education ha ha ha don't worry you don't need to be famous but you need to be very good at magic
Nikunj Majithis I can pretty much guarantee you that I am better at magic than half the people on this show... ha... have you even seen my channel?
Be one of his nerd friends he said it right in the introduction
Nikunj Majithis None of the people on this show are good at magic.
Another great episode, and this one was highly entertaining, too. Some good twists to the game, and I didn't know which way it was going to go for most of the game.
I don't know what I was expecting in the youtube comments for a video with a GIRL in it!
+bruno edwards She's not just a grill though, she's a grill that's Hollywood pretty. I wish people had other things to say about the game other than how attractive she is, but I also can't believe no one has commented on how pretty her hands are.
Bought myself the recent holiday box for another trading card game, cracked the packs and thought they were neat. An intro pack and deck builder's toolkit later, I'm so ready to get more cards XD
Right on dude! I'm pretty experienced and still changing my game. Once you get better, you can move to buying event decks, fat packs, and individual cards. For myself I want to buy individuals and booster boxes since I want to win a pro tour qualifier. My best finish was 30th
You bleep out crap... And god... Well at least I can watch this in front of my grandma!
I think its probably for that exact reason, to reach more of an audience, since the game is is 13+
I can't even watch it with my parents lol. My parents are so anti-bad language, that the fact that they had to bleep out words gets them upset haha.
Whoever did the lower 3rd with the subtle reference to the song, "This Land Is Your Land". many kudos +50 Timbits and coffee to them. Well played.
Damn, I want to know who her dermatologist and dentist are. She literally has some of the most beautiful skin and teeth I have ever seen.
Make up & crest white strips 2x a day. yw
Love the production in this series. Keep it up along with table top.
12:40 Michele: It´s funny cause were twelve xD
Sebastian Bier so true
Ever since watching the game with Jesse Cox, my friends have taught me how to play Magic and I have to say I found it enjoyable if not confusing to learn.
Oh, Monty Python reference, priceless!
nice Pete Seger reference: This land is your land, this land is my land...this land was made for you and me.
How much did Felicia Day have to pay to get the angel look like here I wonder??????
The first episode it was the most in depth, now it's a quick fun run through :)
I think this girl is absolutely beautiful.
yah shes pretty
I would date Michele... definitely not Riley from the Guild though lol.
Every woman I have seen Sean Plott play MTG against is just drop dead gorgeous. Im Jelly.
19:06 made this episode for me. It was just a standard game until Michele Boyd's "I love my present" smile.
Is crap a swear word now?
Jared Miner always has. keep in mind all the content in this channel is super kid friendly.
Energy Core wow.. shit.
Thank you very fucking much.
Ryan Hall Oh shit you're right. I fucked up.
749zen It's easy, mmmm'kay.
This is great! Really enjoyed watching this :D Keep it up!
...They censored "crap."
At 15:17, doesn't the +1/+1 resolve before the other stuff(if she decided to activate the ability) does? Since he interrupted her from doing it the first time, she never gave her creature the +1/+1, so it was never put on the stack. Then he played all his stuff and brought the creature down to 0 toughness. If she then had activated the ability, the +1/+1 would activate before everything else(since it's the the highest on the stack), and it would survive. Or am I missing something?
Saying he interrupted her is a awful technicality. She made the mistake of declaring her activation first.
Ah, okay, it's been a while so I don't really remember what I was taking about, but I think I understand xD
The ability is on the stack but when the toughness of the creature hits 0 it's destroyed as a state-based effect.
I don't think pumping it first was a misplay at all though, since she wanted to give it trample. And Sean still could've killed it after combat, the 1 damage from his chump blocker would make up for the +1/+1 they could've applied in response
mana abilities dont use the stack though... or am i misunderstanding something?
@@blanklink That land's ability isn't a mana ability. It goes on the stack, then before it resolved he brought it's toughness down to 0. It died as a state based action. Then the land ability resolves but has an invalid target meaning that it fizzled and did nothing.
lol i just realized how misleading saying "i pump a dude" can be to someone unfamiliar with Magic vocabulary.
this series is a lot of fun
question: should her last turn be negated by not paying the mana upkeep for her 6/6?
Definitely. But knowing Sean's luck, he'd just have died next turn instead.
Actually, she only had to pay that mana upkeep on the turn after she summoned it.
Yeah, I thought the same, but I paused where it showed the card up close and here is what it says for Echo: "At the beginning of your upkeep, if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay its echo cost" it is in between the commas.
Galiant2010 she 100% definitely paid the mana cost for the echo so nothing changes
***** Yep, thats what I was saying.
that Proliferate call at the end was a good COUNTER point
Shipping fictional characters - OK
Shipping real people - Not OK
Good comment, thank you
I have never heard of this woman before, but she's now my hero!
Where do I have to go and play to meet a woman like that?
Sean Plott vs. Jeff Lewis for Spellslingers! I just want to see those two in a room together! Please Felicia, make my dreams come true!
Michele is honestly amazingly beautiful!
+Laza Lion I love her Green Eyes. And Agreed!
fantastic, doing the same shake motions (for reasons unknown to me though)
I love how this is the first (and maybe only) episode where Day9 wears a nice button up, cuz it's with a hot girl lmao.
Great job, fun to watch the duel decks go at it!
Misplay FTW, no Echo cost paid?
A lot of people metioning this. Noticed it myself but then went back to read the card carefully. The echo effects needs to paid only once and needs to be paid during the next upkeep after summoning it. After you have gone a whole turn with the creature on the board and you haven't summoned that creature the echo doesn't need to be paid.
But they did summon it and you can't dodge an ability that's manditory
ToBePro101 Let's go over what happened with the creature. Ìt got summoned during a mane phase and had it's summoning sickness so it didn't attack, then during Michele's upkeep she untapped all her cards and the echo ability activated. The echo activated since the creature was not summoned before her last upkeep and this first time she did pay the price. Then, next turn, again during her upkeep she untapped and the echo ability did not activate since the creature was summoned before her last upkeep.
All this effectively means that echo effects activate only once in normal circumstances.
Oh I thought you had to pay the echo before you untapped
I agree, they have done this really well. This series is my first exposure to Magic, and I still pretty much inderstand what's happening
Wow she's my dream girl. Hardcore nerd + hot + smart + knows how to trash talk = where do I find this mythical creature?
unicorns. the answer is always unicorns.
3:10 My god Michele... You have SUCH an awesome poker face... "OH HELL!"
I think im in love with this woman...
best ep! thank you.. I really, really enjoyed this match. I hope for more seasons.. =)
At first I was like, "My my, she's quite adorable". Then she started talking and I was like, "oh".
Her voice is nice too.
Sean should keep count of his wins and losses, just for fun and/or pressure. (Really liking this series btw)
Am I the only one or is she like REALLY cute? :O xD
I hope they make an extended version of this show were they play a 2 out of 3 set.
Yes... and they need to exchange decks between matches.
God she's fine
i watched replayed the Felicia angel scene so many times. It was so hilarious b/c it's so true.
Damn she's gorgeous ..
yup you're right, I never played magic but watching Spellslingers makes me want to learn.
ok, seriously, that girls is super attractive...
Showing their entire starting hands at 4:22? That's awesome...it's like the development of the yellow first down line in football telecasts.
She never gained the 5 life when Sean condemned her minotaurs
yeah she did. she was a little late in noticing it, but she did get it.
In regards to Michele's comment about reading upside down: I just turn my things towards my opponent when they're summoning sick. That way I know that they can't attack, and my opponent can read them.
didnt pay the six on the last turn she should have sacked her 6/6
4 years late, but Echo only happens once. She didn't have to pay again. ;)
That's how I used to think echo worked
Great episode. That smile when she drew the hellion, priceless
Marry me Michele
Michelle must have been REALLY EXCITED when she became part of that trailer for Magic Card for Chandra Nalaar. :P
Sean cheats alot
+vince guzman How?
Pretty good play and banter all around. Maybe get to see them on Table Top eventually? I know Day9's been before but could always use more Plott.