DIY Formula 1 Active Suspension and DAS
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- I know, I know, I’m slowly collecting parts to put this car together. I have a lot of cool things planned. For now, enjoy more of me using fancy hardware for the wrong reasons.
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f1 teams: "you need to ban the technology, mercedes is spending too much money on it!"
dude in a shed:
*legend in a shed
It’s like the McLaren extra brake pedal from the late 90’s. It was banned in part because of cost fears, when all they had used was £50 of parts they already had - the real cost was knowledge and skill!!
@@mylesseid4906 he should change the name of the channel to "Shed Legend"
Probably out-run the HAAS
He is the mechanic version of Jimmy Broadbent
the fact that he's literally put every modern automotive innovation into his own cars is something i want to live by with
But, is it a hybrid? I don't think so. Lol
@@troll2637 maybe it will ! Given how talented this guy is anything is possible!
@@gavinpotter8741 yeah. I was just joking earlier. I can't do squat while that guy made a freaking car with f1 suspension.
Not wanting to be a grammar Nazi or annoyingly pedantic but "live by with" seems to combine two concepts.
Do you want to live with a car that has every automotive innovation?
Or do you want to live by the ethos that drives someone to add all these things to their car?
@@benholroyd5221 well you are being a pedantic Nazi . You know what's meant and is likely to be a predictive text correction
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I missed one
ANNOYING pedantic Nazi
Dude. Your projects are insanely creative and complex. No idea how you manage to pull it off. Keep it going! This is one of my favourite channels
Thanks so much!
I absolutely agree with you, I just sit back and listen to this dude, he's all I'd like to achieve. He knows about everything!!!
@@WesleyKagan How much are you looking forward to being able to go out and drive this, and then when people ask what the Hell kinda car it is, to be able to shout at them "I BUILT THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!"?
He makes me look stupid !
I’m friggin impressed to the MAX !!!
a Bad Obsession Motorsport project binky episode AND a Wesley video the same night?! Am I in heaven?
Good to see another BOM fan
@@bingchilling5116 Wesley's work def belongs on that level of fascinating. :D
@@802Garage It does indeed. Both are equally crazy in the best way possible
I know right?! Bliss!!
Thought the same thing!
The mad lad copied DAS. Incredible
Ferrari in shambles.
das incredible
Isn't das a mechanical link?
@@Scoots1994 Mercedes needed to use a mechanical link because of rules in f1 regarding active suspension. Wesely is taking their concepts without the strict rules of f1 and improving upon it. In concept the control of the DAS (dual axis steering) could be achieved autonomously with the right research, trial and error.
This entire project and the fact he keeps finishing things soo quickly is awesome.
@@user-zj2mb3sp3x it seems even more complicated than das
Loving the well thought out engineering. Keep it up.
Thanks, will do!
Your name looks familiar Jeff....
Something for the Alferrari perhaps?
Boomer hotrodder: "If you can't tune your car with a screwdriver, I don't like it!"
Wesley: *hooks laptop up to suspension*
Haha that's great!
I laughed out loud
There’s a few of us boomers that grew up with wild experimentation in old can-am and f1 and endurance cars, that love this high tech stuff. Heck, the they had full blown active suspension in the f1 cars around 1990 if I remember correctly - of course it got banned. If you youngsters want a treat, look up the UOP Shadow can-am team circa the early 70s that used valve springs on cantilever suspension for weight savings and quick easy spring rate changes.
@David Harmon I got that reference
KISS, the most hassle free way to live.
How you don’t have millions of followers is beyond me. I love your stuff, please, keep it up!
Thanks! I really enjoy it!
Even though the title had "active suspension" and "DAS" in there, I still did not expect the level of madness in this video! Keep it up mate! Really looking forward to seeing this in action!
If that man can do all the amazing things he’s doing with limited resources, time, and labor force. Imagine having a Williams F1 racing factory/ resources 🤯
That would Be amazing, but I think the electric bill is more than my budget haha
You could use this set up for anti dive under braking. Also zero camber when braking. Both wheels cambered in the same direction around corners. Add tire temp inferred sensors and use these tire temps to set the camber settings. Toe settings and caster settings you can set based on track position. Instal sensors around the track to tell your computer the location of your vehicle.
How would you manage anti-dive? That would require vertically offset upper arm mounting points so the whole wishbone would tilt backwards, wouldn't it?
@@bubblefoil That is correct. I think just the rear upper control arm mount would need to move vertically a few degrees with an additional actuator. He did say he wants more weight forward?
He could also add an actuator to the steering rack and control bump steer that way. All the actuators could operate in combination to give perfect wheel to ground alignment in all conditions with the parallel camber as both tires conform to the ground during cornering and braking.
Not only an F1 fan and a genius engineer but also a Pink Floyd fan! You da' man!
Oh of course!
I saw Blood on the Tracks in the background of one video, outstaanding...
So uhhh, an F1 team needs to actually hire you. Was literally wondering 2 hours ago when you would post again. Really awesome video as always. So cool.
@@jowarrior Agreed! We could see it at the track though. ;)
@@jowarrior That's what happened to KYLE.ENGINEERS channel till he was done working for the Mercedes F1 team as explained in his video.
I've been rebuilding a Miata motor for my crap can. It's taken me 3 months so far and the head and the block aren't even mated. The pace at which you do complex engineering projects is staggering, and I imagine exhausting. The best automotive channel on UA-cam, bar none. Well done dude.
Mind... blown. Love the casual mention of the Mercedes V12 being fitted now, as if that was a trivial task!
I hope to have another video on that coming soon! Have the exhaust designed already
@@WesleyKagan please, please tell us that you're doing equal length headers🙏
@@GPN0820BOSTON I'd personally be okay with a set of fire-belching zoomie pipes. :)
Genuinely surprised you haven't been scooped up by some F1 R&D team. Seriously.
That's what I just commented, hahaha.
The trouble is, the FIA has banned most of what he's doing. DAS was only legal for one year, it's banned now, active ride height control is banned and has been since the 1994 season, and I really can't see the FIA going for a hydraulic align-on-the-fly system like this. Back in the early 90s, maybe, but not now.
@@SilasHumphreys The point of hiring him would not be for THIS system it would be for his abilities to come up with designs and solutions as well as his fantastic prototyping abilities. An outfit like Formula 1 needs people who can engineer something in their mind, build it out, and understand all dimensions of the process as well as the other teams involved in applying it to a vehicle. Obviously no Formula 1 team will use this tech, but they could use his brain. 😁
There’s been a few of these comments, and while he leaves me for dead, it underestimates the caliber of people in F1
@@husq2100 He is easily on their level. No question.
How does your channel only have 87k? I think your engineering abilities are astounding. I have a feeling your channel will eventually end up being a popular one my friend. Keep it up.
He's gone from under 5k to about 90k in six months. Dude's a legend save people are catching on! Love this channel so much.
Sharp guy who gets things done at speed!!
The fact that you make such quality and complex videos so fast amazes me! I would be perfectly happy with monthly even bi monthly uploads of videos this technical and well done but then there’s another in my feed ten days later. Amazing work, keep it up
Thanks so much!
I had hard time choosing between this video and Bad Obsession Motorsport's latest. Reeally makes me realize how good Wesley is.
Nice work Wesley, channeling your own "koenigsegg" style projects!
The ability to apply this level of tech in a garage build is stunning.
Nothing is more impressive then a dude who’s accomplishing engineering pieces that company’s and teams spend millions on doing and your just doing it in your free time lol awesome stuff man love learning from you
I know lots of people that always think "what if I could..." and then there's you that always just... "well lets try it and see", you are a genius.
the blend of you electronics/computer knowledge and mechanical know how is just mind blowing.
I found you through your reddit post and was honestly skeptical. I’m glad I stuck around, you’ve gained a new subscriber!
Oh thanks! Yeah I’m still not sure what I do here
Absolutely loving what you're tackling in your videos, it's so far beyond the other automotive channels who tediously buy the cheapest un-affordable cars in the country. Keep up the interesting stuff and resist the click bait...
Used toe in the description of camber and it still made sense. This man clearly subscribes to German physics and engineering principles 😂
Wesley, check out the plotter function in the arduino IDE, it's under "tools" I think. Works great if you want to visualize a sensor value like the one from the ultra sound thingie.
Every video he makes teaches me so much, but mostly I learn just how little I know. Amazing stuff from a dude in two car garage. Keep it up!
Love that this guy is a true creator. Not sure what his exact background is but the fact that this is his "oh maybe I'll throw that together today"-level build, he must have some serious engineering chops!
Wesley, if you ever feel down just remember there's guys your age trying to make it as sound cloud rappers.
Hey man, nothing wrong with following your dreams, even if they're futile ones. 🤣
Dude you don’t know how I admire you from a engineering/mechanic perspective you literally gave me trying to design stuff for my car on my laptop sadly I don’t have a 3d printer to put into the real world but I have designed some pretty cool stuff thanks to you lol
You think you know abit about cars because you can build an engine, jet a carb and adjust your pinion angle... then you watch this chap and realise how hopelessly and hilariously outdated a simple minded us chaps are compared to a fella like this lol. Honestly it's so impressive and inspiring, this is well becoming one of my absolute favourite UA-cam channels. Keep up the great work, very enjoyable to watch.
Super cool!
Ideal camber/caster settings are distinctly different for different objectives, now you can have the best of multiple settings
Off the top of my head I think about the effects of positive castor on steering sharpness. Too little caster is unstable at speed, but has good feedback in tight corners. Tons of caster and itll steer like a truck around corners but be super stable at speed.
This channel is the definition to almost every automotive manufacture beginning
Phenomenal video as always. You're the only creator I have the bell notifications enabled for. A quick tip on the sensors, ultrasonic are great but for a smaller package you could look into linear potentiometer or linear encoders. Plenty in printers and video game controllers to look at. It might be a nicer fit and would work easily with an arduino. Keep up the work, seriously fascinating stuff you're putting together.
i dont know who you are, but this is an absoloute marvel of engineering and i have fell in love with it.
Wow! You've made DAS, man that is such respect!
Whoooo! I love when you post!!!!
Thanks man!
I'm floored. This is so ambitious and cool, and you're pulling it off!
Wesley you are a straight up god damned genius. Everytime some crazy complicated new technology comes out like camless valves, or das, your first thought it "yeah I could do that. in my garage." Amazing. Motor trend needs to hire you for a TV show where you recreate and improve on exotic car tech.
1:26...Camber is not called 'toe in or out', it's called negative and positive. And 1:28 it's not cast, it's caster. Love your work, but needed to say this, in case others get confused.
Dude. Been following you since the start, and I'm now I'm so stoked you've gone down this road with the active suspension. Highly entertained by your projects.
Your doing what I've been dreaming of since I saw adaptive suspension a while back. Please keep the content coming!!!
Followed your link from miata subreddit. This is beyond my understanding. Subbed
Edit: wth you're the one that did the freevalve on the miata. Amazing
Dude - you are seriously amazing. Did we like the video? Anyone who doesn’t love your videos shouldn’t be watching them. You need to parter with Kevin from KSR Racing and between the two of you, you would literally win every race you enter. Awesome stuff.
I would watch each of your nerdy videos. As an engineer your videos are just the pinacle of UA-cam to me. Keep it up. Props from France
this is unbelievable you deserve more credit...you're going to blow up very soon trust me
The fucking insanity of how far diy has come astounds me. This is amazing!
Creating system like this is amazing, but implementing it in diy car in own garage is insane. Great work man!
Thank you!
That's fantastic, I love the variable geometry idea.
You just executed something I have thought manufacturerers should be considering for the past 10 years. Bravo Sir! The first time I added a significant amount of negative camber to one of my cars. it was an absolute revalation where handling is concerned. Obviously, it comes at a cost to the tires when done on a permanent basis.. So, the idea of adjustable camber on the fly came to mind. In my head, it would have simply consisted of a moving top mount for the shocks, something that is obviously not a thing in your particular "car". Anyway, Awesome content :)
I like this channel because it confuses me how someone can do such technical and diverse things while appearing not to be a full time job
9:26 oh yeah i just made my v12 pushrod suspension race car align its self, short video. this man is smarter than 99% of us
absolutely great stuff... gotta get out to the shop today. Caught the Floyd on the PC.. now the picture is filling in a bit! Thank You
Your videos are getting better each time! I thought the DAS system worked by moving the inner hinge point of the tie rod front/backwards. Through the geometry that would cause toe in/toe out.
If you had used your linear actuators to move your complete steering rack front/back, that would have done the trick also. It would'nt add unsprung weight that way. I understand that the way you did it, you also have full control over caster/camber/king pin inclination
Thank you! Yeah for the tie rods those should be easier with a fixed point.
The fact that you're approaching DAS in this way is interesting. I, myself,want to build an F1 car, but also using all the available technologies I can steal from.
I suggest looking into a dampening system, much like the one Renault used in Alonso's car in 2005/6
At my work we have some large valves that have a position sensor. They have a pickup rod with a “pill” that rides over the shaft to get a position. Would be a more secure way of measuring and more likely to hold up to debris and rain and etc. wish I knew more about the exacts but you seem very resourceful. I think something like this would give you a more reliable option.
All I can say is remarkable, your projects are truly inspiring and push me to think of new ways of doing things
Love this channel so much. Highly underrated
if you still have this in mind try using IR sensors, wind will blow your sensors reading out (remember, sound moves through the air/wind), and will sugest to put those sensors at the back of those bars. Insanely advantage you will get with this system, once done there is only tuning for your driving style
A Madman after my own heart, keep it up dude
Thanks man!
I lay awake at nights thinking: "Will this automotive innovation fit my Honda?", and THIS GUY DOESN'T LAY AWAKE, BECAUSE HE EFFING GOES AND INSTALLS ALL THOSE AUTOMOTIVE INNOVATION ONTO HIS HONDA. I AM MAD. MAD WITH RESPECT!
Disclaimer: neither of us owns a Honda, but the meme specifies a Honda.
Glad to hear you plan to change the actuators. I've worked with the ones you have currently and they wont be fast enough for what you need.
EPIC! You can get hydraulic cylinders as well as electric actuators with position feedback built into them. If you do this, you can eliminate the need for external sensors for distance and use the internal ones from an actuator. food for thought.
I absolutely agree and that’s the direction I’m probably going to go
@@WesleyKagan I really enjoy your projects, thank you for taking the time to record edit and post for us.
That is so awesome. The grip is gonna be crazy
This is straight-up amazing. If it doesn't get millions of views, I'll lose faith in humanity.
Thank you!
You are now my favorite UA-cam channel by a country mile. You not only have amazing thoughts, but make them real. Amazing!
This is amazing, with all the really amazing stuff you make, you should have more subs. Here's one.
Man, I have mostly no idea what you're doing but boy is it incredible to look at !
Awesome video, very excited to see this concept progress!
Quick note about those ultrasonic sensors, you're very likely to have problems reading the data off then once you start driving the car. Since they work via sound/pressure waves any significant amount of air flow across them is going to disrupt the waves making it back to the sensor. A laser TOF sensor would be ideal, maybe the VL6180X would fit the bill.
Good point- I’ll look into it! Thanks!
This is incredibly impressive. Super excited to see the end product here
This is absolutely mad and I love it, keep it up! You're one of my few subscriptions that I actually watch all of your videos you put out and this is why haha
This is the level of engineering proficiency most of us dream to achieve. At least we can live vicariously and not in agreement with everything that is happening on the screen
Linear Variable Differential Transducers (LVDT)s, compact, sealed, feedback/noise resistant and ideal when coupled w/hydraulics. Aircraft use them because they're obscenely simple/reliable. You can probably find surplus aircraft hydraulics w/them already built in. Importantly, they play nice w/Arduino, typically needing only a 555 timer to get a feedback from them.
This is really, really cool! You can not only control toe and camber, but caster too!
Keep up the extremely hard work!
Thanks!
@@WesleyKagan i meant to ask what's the stroke on your air cylinders for the FREEVALVE project on the predator 212 engine? I'm working on something and trying to figure out which one i should fet. I really appreciate your work!
The ultrasonic sensors you use are open type and will stop functioning after a while due to dirt etc. You may want to use car type ultrasonics that work behind plastic. basically parking sensors. also on hydrolics you may want to use magnetic sensors or lineer potentiometer to give you precise control over the movement in any weather condition. I would also put a warning and a set value if the sensor gets damaged so the suspension does not go to a wierd geometry and tries to kill you.
Awesome project.
thanks youtube suggestions, this really is awesome
That's the coolest thing I've seen in a while. The one you did with the valve train has fallen into second place.
For the sensors you can use the same principle as the digital calipers, with a stator and a slider that take measurements. You could even fit it inside the extension tube.
This would be a cool addition to the arete by build creator. Awesome work.
I am by no means an expert, but I have used ultrasonic sensors around moving air and heat and found they can be somewhat unreliable. Likely the sound waves traveling through the different air densities.
Really inspiring projects! Wish you all the best!
Yeah, I’m thinking back to linear potentiometers for sure:
A Linear Encoder may be a happy medium - accuracy and contact free. I have never used them myself - my projects have always gotten by with Hall Effect sensors, but I am sure you want infinite adjustability, not just limit switches.
This motivates me and probably a lot of other (engineering)students to finish our studies, great video keep these sick builds going!!!
I hope so! Glad to be an inspiration haha
Haha i saw that picture of the chassis on the offroad wheels on reddit way too tired this morning and was like wtf
now a little more conscious at work, i realize its you.. so cool
Great video, love that you’re adapting cutting edge racing tech in your own builds. Keep up the great work
Your suspension explanation essentially went through the entirety of my dance moves. Great video, as always
Great build and very interesting video. Keep up the great work.
FWIW: I'm English and you really should run away from the XJS as fast as possible unless you replace every last wire in the car. There'll be a wire that controls the power steers that will short out, causing corrosion in the coolant pump, that will cause the odometer to rotate weirdly when you turn it on and ultimately cause the rear diff to, via the ether, turn gasoline into liquid gel.
Legend has it that Lucas electronics was founded by a descendant of Elizabeth Device, one of the Pendle Witches executed during the trials of 1612 in North West England. The ways of the sorcerers run strong in that family and came back to plague modern society as an act of revenge by making objects of desire (fancy English cars) utterly unreliable and potential death traps.
OK, that's really cool! I'd have never thought of that. I understand suspension design and always thought you had to make some compromises. Apparently, that's no longer the case! That's a great job and can't wait to see the final iteration in operation!
The compromise on this is weight but it’s certainly worth it
It’s scary how one of my fav youtubers posts about active suspension and DAS just as i started learning about it. Though i am not complaining at all 😂
I actually was just reading up on it that’s why I looked into it!
As cateyes reflect light to the direction it came from, a hollow dice should work for sound to mirror for the sensor.
Thanks for sharing, you have a talent to execute your ideas. The possibilities with this technology are endless.
Great video 👍 Hydraulic systems can be fine tuned by bore valveing sizing holes in valve body parts.
Dude, a pleasure to watch your work!!!
I'm glad you exist. Every time I think about trying some "unconventional" idea in my non exist car, I come to your channel and you have already done/try
Edit: For the sensors you should try using the Pololu vl53l0x, it's a infrared sensor smaller than this hc-sr04, and won't be effect by all noises generated by the car (a common problem with those ultrasonic sensors)
Im glad that your channel grow so big in 8-9 months, im your sub since 4-5k. I hope youtube will pay you enough to finance your cool projects :)
very cool, exciting project i'm planning a mercedes v12 also ... cannot wait to hear this fire up.
With me being a suspension leader for a future formula SAE car this is super interesting and I Absolutly want to see where this goes to next. Please keep us updated!
Will do! Thanks!
Dynamic caster, pretty wild and could have code written to enable rapid tyre heat up as well as an actual race/laptime mode