I miss my '70 Monte. It had a 350 but I swapped it for a built 406ci SBC. The block came from a full sized GMC Jimmy. All other parts came from Summit Racing. Estimated HP was around 400. I had it repainted to the shade of blue that the '80s IROC-Z Camaros came in.
I am an original 1970 owner (350 4 bbl auto, PS, PB (front discs) and air). I had it for at least 20 years and kept it as bought except I did swap out the wheels to the rally wheels - those flat body colored hub caps were hideous. And since mine was that lime green with dark green top and interior, the green hub caps looked even worse. I also did add speakers to the radio in the back as well. Mine cost right around 3700 cash out the door in Chicago (I remember because I had saved for it!). The factory did make a/some convertibles although I do not know if they sold any or what they did with it/them. My info comes from the warranty/info book where they had pictures and directions on how to operate the top - so they must have intended to sell them at some point and had a car with the convertible top. The only other way they could have shown a picture is if they used a Chevelle? Anyway, good info - everything else is as I remember - at least for 1970. Everyone (me!) wanted a 4 speed and they just didn't offer it. The only motors offered were 350 2 bbls, 350 4 bbls, and a 454 4 bbl, and all with only automatics. Thanks for sharing!
I knew a guy in the early 70s that had a 71 and he swapped out the 454 and dropped a 427 in it. BnM automatic and that car would run 11 second quarters all day long. Silver with black vinyl top. my favorite car back then
My first car was a 1973 Monte carlo with a 454 big block and was black with a black vinyl top and had black interior with a factory center console with the floor shifter and the thing I loved most about the car is it had the swivel bucket seats and was really great when you had your girlfriend on a back road or on an east Texas oilfield location because you could swing the door open and turn the seat all the way around and have fun without the steering wheel in the way lol😂 sorry old memories. But another the that I found entertaining was that it didn't come with a passenger side door mirror.
My dad had a 70 454 SS with every option. Air suspension , bucket seats, power everything, rear window defrost and even the window washer fluid level on the dash.
My first car was a 1970 Monte Carlo. 400 small block. 350 turbo. This was before the internet. 1989. I was told it was factory. Miss that car a lot. Black / black vinyl top.
Thank you Jared .. years ago I had a 70 Monte 402 4sp ..miss it dearly , I often wondered the build numbers of my specific combination. Beige car, green interior, 402 4sp power disc brakes , manual steering and no AC. .also can you post the GM build site you mentioned. Cheers , and
I had a 71 454 super sport with the hydra matic transmission, it had bucket seats center console, tilt wheel, power windows, self leveling suspension, positraction, it was a dark green. It was my favorite car. I parked it at my parents ranch. My mom sold it for eight hundred dollars. I'm still mad..
Just ran across this video. Very interesting. As there is a gentleman here in my hometown, longtime well known mechanic. Who has two Monte Carlos. One is a 70 the other a 71. Both triple black , 454 , 4- speed, bucket seats with console. The seventy has swivel seats and at the time 23,000 miles. It had 454 SS badges on the trim. He told me he bought the 70 new and the 71 used for his wife so she had a matching car. He has since passed but I know the cars are still there as I’ve gone by and you can see them when the garage doors are open. Their son drives them occasionally and takes them to local shows. I may have to investigate this further.
Yea is not a factory 4 speed SS, possible a dealer installation. No documentation ever found of a factory install on a SS 454 There were 402 and 350 4 speeds
@@jasonkoons5291 I’m not up on the options GM offered. When I looked at the car the driver seat was turned. I was looking for a rear differential for my El Camino and was told this guy was who to talk to. This was 1976. I should add this guy was the Chevy guy in our area and worked at the local Chevy dealer.
Rob Peters is the current president he joined in 2002, Kevin Wiles is the founder. He lives here in my town. He founded it in 2000. I was VP for a while. And still the Eastern Meet coordinator every other year. I'm assuming your dad is Rob
Hello sir, after viewing your video, I hope you could answer this question does a 1970 Montecarlo bucket seats shifter on the floor would that be consider a 454 SS, or do they also made them with a 350?
I just wanted to know in 1970 did they make a ss 454 with a Turbo 400 automatic transmission with buckets seats And what was the horse power on back then⁉️⁉️⁉️
It has been too long to remember the details, but my 72 Monte Carlo had a 402 truck engine. I don't know what the difference was, but the Chevy dealer in Spokane, WA, was going crazy because every time they tried to adjust the valves, it burned another one. Finally, Chevy flew an engineer in from Seattle, he popped the hood, and said, That's a truck engine, not a car engine. Adjust the valves for a truck. They did and problem solved. In doing so, they had removed the heads and the mechanic told me how great the engine looked. I had about 120K on it when I sold it and never had any more problems. Best car I ever owned. Chevy engineer said it was made at the end of the year, build sheet called for a 402 but evidently all they had was a 402 truck. Everything bolted up and out it went. Not a standard option, so you probably won't find a build sheet on it. Could you please post that gm web site, my hearing ain't too good.
While they did not sell any convertible monte Carlos, there was at least 1 produced by Chevrolet. My 70 monte I had was 1 of the 1st off the line and still had the owners Manuel with it. In that Manuel it showed the picture of the convertible and had the operating instructions in the Manuel. After the one I had was produced Chevy decided to not put out the Monte drop top partly as they decided they did not want to cut into sales of the chevelle, and removed the convertible info from later 70 monte manuels. It was part of the reason the frames on the 70-72 Montes were considered some of the heaviest produced. It was to be a universal frame. Whatever happened to that car I have no idea. Maybe some exec took it.
That story has been told but no evidence ever supporting it. The Monte frame from firewall back is same as 68-72 chevelles. The Monte has its own specific front snout.
It was not a factory installed LS6. The factory LS5 was swapped out at Dick Harrell Performance Center in Kansas City, Mo. It's owned by Tim Pestinger of Salina, KS.
I'm pretty sure you have ran across this issue in restoration of these where can and what tail panel fits the 72 monte I replaced the full trunk pan I can't find one anywhere could you help?
I owned a ‘72 Monte w a 402 BB 400 Trans 12 Bolt reared-all factory I also have a Muscle Car magazine that featured a factory ‘70 or ‘71 LS6 Monte Carlo from factory w the build sheet also-just saying
The car you're likely referring to is owned by Tim Pestinger in Salina, Kansas. It was featured in Super Chevy magazine in 1992. It was ordered by a man that wanted a new 1970 LS6 SS454 Monte. He was told, like all the others that wanted to order one, that the LS6 was not available in a Monte. He ordered the car from a dealership in Wichita, KS and, of course, it was factory assembled with an LS5. He immediately had Dick Harrell Performance Center in Kansas City, Missouri, do an LS6 swap with all Chevrolet parts. I drive by Salina on Interstate 70 at least twice a year to see in-laws. I've not yet stopped to see Mr. Pestinger, but I plan to meet him someday. This link has a great article about the car. No factory LS6 Montes have ever surfaced, and Chevrolet kept records for warranty purposes. Their records, along with the late Fran Prieve, (Chevrolet employee and historian) maintain that no LS6s were factory installed. www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1115868
I have a1970 454 four speed as that is all original brother it was my grandfather’s and he left it to me in his will but it is original 454 four speed as from dealer
I have a '71 402, 4 speed. The original owner tried to order an SS454 with a 4 speed, but his order was denied by Chevrolet. I've talked to several others that tried the same and Chevrolet (not the dealership) refused the orders. The dealership brochures do not show that a 4 speed was available wwith a 454. I think if you check the partial VIN on your engine and the transmission, you'll find one or the other doesn't match the VIN of the car. If they do match, check the stamped code on the block to see if it's actually a 454 and not a 402. It could very well be a big block 402 with a 4 speed. Do you have the build sheet?
@@Jared1970Monte I have a book called GM - the first 75 years of transportation products, given to my parents who worked and retired from GM. The book gives all sorts of factual data about many many different GM vehicles and in some cases it actually gives GM production records of how many and what they were. It says the first Monte Carlos came with a 455 Oldsmobile motor because the 454 wasn't available to that production line at the time. Makes sense. Motors were pretty much corporate wide for a long time. Maybe the book is wrong but so far it has been the most accurate corporate information I've found on many different models.
@mikeh.753 The book is definitely wrong. Chevrolet put the exact same LS5 in a '70 Monte as they put in other '70 models, including the Chevelles and Corvettes. Chevelles and Montes were assembled on the same assembly line. They had LS5s ready for the assembly plants as production began in September of '69, if not August. I have a '70 SS454 Monte and a friend of mine also has one. His was assembled in September '69. It's definitely not a 455. The author of the book you referred to made a mistake. Who ever heard of a Chevelle or Corvette with a 455?
@@danjanes8689 I guess the GM historians got it wrong. The book was written using production numbers and according to the experts Chevrolet did have the engines available so they substituted the 455 in it's place. But hey GM historians and the production numbers must be wrong.
You really shouldn't do a line before you record your videos. Dealing with the drip is distracting. That being said I appreciate you sharing your knowledge on the subject
@@Jared1970Monte I owned a factory 390 HP SS 454 in 1970...and a Factory 365 HP SS 454 in 1971.... a very Strike in b July limited the production of 71 SS 454 making less than 2000 total ...none were made in 72...
@@Jared1970Monte The difference between the 360 and 390 hp was Different cams...the 390 had more lift on the intake and flowed more gas .....thus the increased hp....SO THEY ARE DIFFERENT ENGINES.....STOP MAKING WRONG ASSUMPTIONS JACK. .
So nice to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about!!!!
The SS 454 package was offered by Chevy for $420. It included badging, heavy duty suspension, wider tires and a Turbo Hydra-Matic transmission.
And more
I miss my '70 Monte. It had a 350 but I swapped it for a built 406ci SBC. The block came from a full sized GMC Jimmy. All other parts came from Summit Racing. Estimated HP was around 400. I had it repainted to the shade of blue that the '80s IROC-Z Camaros came in.
I am an original 1970 owner (350 4 bbl auto, PS, PB (front discs) and air). I had it for at least 20 years and kept it as bought except I did swap out the wheels to the rally wheels - those flat body colored hub caps were hideous. And since mine was that lime green with dark green top and interior, the green hub caps looked even worse. I also did add speakers to the radio in the back as well. Mine cost right around 3700 cash out the door in Chicago (I remember because I had saved for it!).
The factory did make a/some convertibles although I do not know if they sold any or what they did with it/them. My info comes from the warranty/info book where they had pictures and directions on how to operate the top - so they must have intended to sell them at some point and had a car with the convertible top. The only other way they could have shown a picture is if they used a Chevelle?
Anyway, good info - everything else is as I remember - at least for 1970. Everyone (me!) wanted a 4 speed and they just didn't offer it. The only motors offered were 350 2 bbls, 350 4 bbls, and a 454 4 bbl, and all with only automatics. Thanks for sharing!
I owned a 72 402, turbo 400, console and gauge package. Wish I still had it.
I enjoy you page. Awesome information!
I knew a guy in the early 70s that had a 71 and he swapped out the 454 and dropped a 427 in it. BnM automatic and that car would run 11 second quarters all day long. Silver with black vinyl top. my favorite car back then
My first car was a 1973 Monte carlo with a 454 big block and was black with a black vinyl top and had black interior with a factory center console with the floor shifter and the thing I loved most about the car is it had the swivel bucket seats and was really great when you had your girlfriend on a back road or on an east Texas oilfield location because you could swing the door open and turn the seat all the way around and have fun without the steering wheel in the way lol😂 sorry old memories. But another the that I found entertaining was that it didn't come with a passenger side door mirror.
Oh your still a virgin.....
Its o.k.😂
My dad had a 70 454 SS with every option. Air suspension , bucket seats, power everything, rear window defrost and even the window washer fluid level on the dash.
My first car was a 1970 Monte Carlo.
400 small block.
350 turbo. This was before the internet. 1989. I was told it was factory.
Miss that car a lot.
Black / black vinyl top.
Thank you Jared .. years ago I had a 70 Monte 402 4sp ..miss it dearly , I often wondered the build numbers of my specific combination. Beige car, green interior, 402 4sp power disc brakes , manual steering and no AC. .also can you post the GM build site you mentioned. Cheers , and
man knows what he's talking about,my monte carlo 1970 was a 402 4 speed,no 454 4 speeds
I had a 71 454 super sport with the hydra matic transmission, it had bucket seats center console, tilt wheel, power windows, self leveling suspension, positraction, it was a dark green. It was my favorite car. I parked it at my parents ranch. My mom sold it for eight hundred dollars. I'm still mad..
Just ran across this video. Very interesting. As there is a gentleman here in my hometown, longtime well known mechanic. Who has two Monte Carlos. One is a 70 the other a 71. Both triple black , 454 , 4- speed, bucket seats with console. The seventy has swivel seats and at the time 23,000 miles. It had 454 SS badges on the trim. He told me he bought the 70 new and the 71 used for his wife so she had a matching car. He has since passed but I know the cars are still there as I’ve gone by and you can see them when the garage doors are open. Their son drives them occasionally and takes them to local shows. I may have to investigate this further.
Yea is not a factory 4 speed SS, possible a dealer installation. No documentation ever found of a factory install on a SS 454
There were 402 and 350 4 speeds
Swivel buckets were produced from 73-77…. It was a second generation Monte Carlo option.
@@jasonkoons5291 I’m not up on the options GM offered. When I looked at the car the driver seat was turned. I was looking for a rear differential for my El Camino and was told this guy was who to talk to. This was 1976. I should add this guy was the Chevy guy in our area and worked at the local Chevy dealer.
My dad is the current president(and maybe co-creator) of the fgmcc,couldn't be a better man regulating the information posted on the site
Rob Peters is the current president he joined in 2002, Kevin Wiles is the founder. He lives here in my town. He founded it in 2000. I was VP for a while. And still the Eastern Meet coordinator every other year.
I'm assuming your dad is Rob
Hello sir, after viewing your video, I hope you could answer this question does a 1970 Montecarlo bucket seats shifter on the floor would that be consider a 454 SS, or do they also made them with a 350?
Buckets and console could ordered with any monte. Lots of SS cars had bench seats, chevelles too. Actually most had bench seats it was cheaper
The Super Sport package in a Monte Carlo mandated an LS5 454 and a TH400 transmission. No other engine/trans was available with the SS package.
I just wanted to know in 1970 did they make a ss 454 with a Turbo 400 automatic transmission with buckets seats And what was the horse power on back then⁉️⁉️⁉️
360
Buckets was an option on SS
All were TH 400. No 4 Speed SS from factory
*My 1st car was a '70 Monte Carlo with a 350, powerful enough to fool me into believing it was a small block 400, an uncommon option that year.*
I had a 70 Monte with a 4 speed and a 400. Ended up putting a cammed 350 in it
It has been too long to remember the details, but my 72 Monte Carlo had a 402 truck engine. I don't know what the difference was, but the Chevy dealer in Spokane, WA, was going crazy because every time they tried to adjust the valves, it burned another one. Finally, Chevy flew an engineer in from Seattle, he popped the hood, and said, That's a truck engine, not a car engine. Adjust the valves for a truck. They did and problem solved. In doing so, they had removed the heads and the mechanic told me how great the engine looked. I had about 120K on it when I sold it and never had any more problems. Best car I ever owned. Chevy engineer said it was made at the end of the year, build sheet called for a 402 but evidently all they had was a 402 truck. Everything bolted up and out it went. Not a standard option, so you probably won't find a build sheet on it. Could you please post that gm web site, my hearing ain't too good.
The only difference I'm aware of is a tall deck block and short deck block. Visibly their is no difference really to the eye but parts are different
1972 Monte Carlo was my first car 🚗 I am very interested in buying a SS 4spd convertible 70-72..
No such thing unless you get one that's been built that way.
Chevrolet never made a convertible or an SS454, 4 speed.
I wanted to see more of the white one on the thumbnail, I just bought a white 72 that looks just like it!
It's mine. They'll be a lot coming on that car hopefully this winter
While they did not sell any convertible monte Carlos, there was at least 1 produced by Chevrolet. My 70 monte I had was 1 of the 1st off the line and still had the owners Manuel with it. In that Manuel it showed the picture of the convertible and had the operating instructions in the Manuel. After the one I had was produced Chevy decided to not put out the Monte drop top partly as they decided they did not want to cut into sales of the chevelle, and removed the convertible info from later 70 monte manuels. It was part of the reason the frames on the 70-72 Montes were considered some of the heaviest produced. It was to be a universal frame. Whatever happened to that car I have no idea. Maybe some exec took it.
That story has been told but no evidence ever supporting it. The Monte frame from firewall back is same as 68-72 chevelles. The Monte has its own specific front snout.
The top operating instructions were not removed from the owner's manual until the '71 model year. All of the '70 manuals have it.
There was at least one LS6 Monte & it was featured in Muscle Car Magazine & I have the issue!
It was not a factory installed LS6. The factory LS5 was swapped out at Dick Harrell Performance Center in Kansas City, Mo. It's owned by Tim Pestinger of Salina, KS.
were there any 1st gen Montes that got the chevelle sweep speedometer?
No. None
I did used to have a 3 speed on the tree bench tree 70 monte gold with green interior was 2 barrel 350
Yes, the 3 speed column shift with a 350, 2 barrel was the base model.
I'm pretty sure you have ran across this issue in restoration of these where can and what tail panel fits the 72 monte I replaced the full trunk pan I can't find one anywhere could you help?
Those are hard to find. No one repos them.
Try auto salvage hunters in Georgia
They ship
Good luck
I owned a ‘72 Monte w a 402 BB 400 Trans 12 Bolt reared-all factory
I also have a Muscle Car magazine that featured a factory ‘70 or ‘71 LS6 Monte Carlo from factory w the build sheet also-just saying
Dick Harrel Dealer Installed. 1970. It was not a factory build. But Still a very special car it is still around. I saw it recently in some pictures.
Does the build sheet show LS6?
The car you're likely referring to is owned by Tim Pestinger in Salina, Kansas. It was featured in Super Chevy magazine in 1992. It was ordered by a man that wanted a new 1970 LS6 SS454 Monte. He was told, like all the others that wanted to order one, that the LS6 was not available in a Monte. He ordered the car from a dealership in Wichita, KS and, of course, it was factory assembled with an LS5. He immediately had Dick Harrell Performance Center in Kansas City, Missouri, do an LS6 swap with all Chevrolet parts. I drive by Salina on Interstate 70 at least twice a year to see in-laws. I've not yet stopped to see Mr. Pestinger, but I plan to meet him someday. This link has a great article about the car. No factory LS6 Montes have ever surfaced, and Chevrolet kept records for warranty purposes. Their records, along with the late Fran Prieve, (Chevrolet employee and historian) maintain that no LS6s were factory installed.
www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1115868
Where'd you go? Does that build sheet show LS6?
the 1970-72 Monte Carlo was also built in Flint mi . plant in the north end of town .
They were only built in Flint for 1970. They stopped building Montes there, and started assembly in Kansas City for the 1971 model year.
I swear my restored 72 monte carlo had a 350 engine. So if there was not a 307, 350 or whatnot then wtf engine did they make for 72?
All Montes had atleast a 350. No 307 or 6 cylinders.
I need your contact info I have a 1972 that need the same roof and quarter panel work done
Jared1970MonteCarlo@yahoo.com
@@Jared1970Monte thank you I’m getting ready to email you now
how many my Carlo was also 350 and 383 built here in Flint Michigan so I don't know what you're talking about
No such thing as a 383 in 1970. That's stroked 350 using a 400 crank.
Look for the super chevy may of 1995.good right up on monte carlo
If it's the article I think it is, it's not accurate.
I have a1970 454 four speed as that is all original brother it was my grandfather’s and he left it to me in his will but it is original 454 four speed as from dealer
Heard this a million times. Could have been DEALER installed. There is no factory installed 454 4 speeds. 402 and 350 yes. Less than 500
I have a '71 402, 4 speed. The original owner tried to order an SS454 with a 4 speed, but his order was denied by Chevrolet. I've talked to several others that tried the same and Chevrolet (not the dealership) refused the orders. The dealership brochures do not show that a 4 speed was available wwith a 454. I think if you check the partial VIN on your engine and the transmission, you'll find one or the other doesn't match the VIN of the car. If they do match, check the stamped code on the block to see if it's actually a 454 and not a 402. It could very well be a big block 402 with a 4 speed.
Do you have the build sheet?
I have a 72 monte carlo special order with paper work. 454 engine customer order it with bench seat and no emblem at all.
Yeah. 72 was that way. They also had a W in the 5th digit of the VIN indicating 454
We have LS 6 1970 4 speed 39 k Dark blue relative worked with gm .. special order build sheet backs it up a few made it out the door
Documentation please? I would love to feature this car on my channel.
You can email any Documentation to Jared1970MonteCarlo@yahoo.com
Just because you continue to post this around the internet as often as you can, doesn't make it true.
@@therealmotorcyclemichael
That's right. He has offered no proof of this just like the 100s of other claims in the last 20 years I've heard
Still waiting on proof Quagmire
Please make and upload a video of your car. I'd love to see it and the documents.
Ez no LS6 no convertible no SS 454 4spd. You could get 4spd with 350 or 402.
Yes, and with the 400 small block for '70.
Hot
And it didn't make a 72 Monte Carlo with a 307 my neighbor had one bought a brand new back then
My understanding is that the first year monte Carlo's had 455's not 454's.
455 is a Buick Olds and Pontiac displacement although they were all different engines
@@Jared1970Monte I have a book called GM - the first 75 years of transportation products, given to my parents who worked and retired from GM. The book gives all sorts of factual data about many many different GM vehicles and in some cases it actually gives GM production records of how many and what they were. It says the first Monte Carlos came with a 455 Oldsmobile motor because the 454 wasn't available to that production line at the time. Makes sense. Motors were pretty much corporate wide for a long time. Maybe the book is wrong but so far it has been the most accurate corporate information I've found on many different models.
@mikeh.753 The book is definitely wrong. Chevrolet put the exact same LS5 in a '70 Monte as they put in other '70 models, including the Chevelles and Corvettes. Chevelles and Montes were assembled on the same assembly line. They had LS5s ready for the assembly plants as production began in September of '69, if not August. I have a '70 SS454 Monte and a friend of mine also has one. His was assembled in September '69. It's definitely not a 455. The author of the book you referred to made a mistake. Who ever heard of a Chevelle or Corvette with a 455?
@@danjanes8689 I guess the GM historians got it wrong. The book was written using production numbers and according to the experts Chevrolet did have the engines available so they substituted the 455 in it's place. But hey GM historians and the production numbers must be wrong.
I love it. Check out my two 70 Monte"s on my page.
Holy shit bro...get on with it already...
Yup...it's true, anyone can now make a video.
I have a 72 came with a 307 in it definitely not original to the car the title shows it was a 350 and it is a 3 speed
With what your saying you'd be calling this man a lie sir
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As far as the 70 not being available in a ss 454 TH400
70 was available as a 454 TH 400. Not a 4 speed though
You really shouldn't do a line before you record your videos. Dealing with the drip is distracting. That being said I appreciate you sharing your knowledge on the subject
I think i had a cold rofl 🤣
@@Jared1970Monte Right on my friend. Lmfao
Things someone who's never done coke says...
😂😂😂 you guys are funny
Why do you keep repeating yourself
Your intel is flawed sir!
What do you have?
Oh my God blow your nose before you start your video LOL
Haha I had a good cold during that one for sure haha
I owned a 1970 and 1971 FACTORY SS 454 CARS...THIS GUY DONT JACK....AND YES LS6 CARS IN 70 ABD 71 WERE MADE....THIS GUY ON CRACK...
No there wasn't. It's been 50 years, no PROOF of a LS6 Assembly Line Monte Carlo Ever.
Just a bunch of wise tails
@@Jared1970Monte I owned a factory 390 HP SS 454 in 1970...and a Factory 365 HP SS 454 in 1971.... a very Strike in b July limited the production of 71 SS 454 making less than 2000 total ...none were made in 72...
@@philkucan8960
70 was 360 HP
71 was 365 HP
LS5 not Ls6
Same engine as the 390 HP in other cars.
@@Jared1970Monte I had these cars.. In 1970 the ,454 came both 360 AND 390hp Jack....get your facts together ...
@@Jared1970Monte The difference between the 360 and 390 hp was Different cams...the 390 had more lift on the intake and flowed more gas .....thus the increased hp....SO THEY ARE DIFFERENT ENGINES.....STOP MAKING WRONG ASSUMPTIONS JACK.
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