Volkswagen Golf R | evo Hot Lap
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- Опубліковано 20 січ 2022
- The Mk7 Volkswagen Golf R was a benchmark hot hatchback during its time on sale, but can the same be said for the latest iteration with its extra power and torque-vectoring rear differential? Steve Sutcliffe laps it around Bedford Autodrome's West circuit to find out how it fares on our leaderboard.
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FIA had added a 5 second penalty to this lap time for exceeding track limits
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Cannot be compared really, the Golf R is a daily drivable AWD powerful GT, almost premium, the opposite of a civic type R, and certainly not a track tool. Still great performance on the track given that fact ! And great lap vid 😉
100% agree with your comment!
I was really surprised at how much that nose didn't want to turn in. I'm sure some PS4s would help rectify some of that understeer.
I always find it troublesome when 4WD hot hatches are compared to FWDs. As a FK8 Civic Type R driver I do envy Golf R drivers in slippery conditions however personally speaking I'd still rather be in my Type R for the purer driving experience. Yes the civic looks are challenging but if you're serious about the joy of driving the Type R is a special piece of kit and you'll get over the bold styling.
Generally speaking I think a Golf R buyer is a different breed to a Type R punter. They're both absolute weapons in their own right!
Type R and Megane RS get way more tyre patch contact through the front tyres cornering from their double axis suspension. Golf cheaps out on standard macpherson struts and the mechanical grip is just not there.
@@minimumtrade golf's R drivers best skill is puting the car in launch control mode... so, basically the difference between a driver and a poser.
Much respect 🙏 well said
I've owned 3 golf r mk4 mk6 and mk7 and back in iran we used to drive stick Renaults and Fiats and many bmw and rape them basically. That was fun
However back in 2004 I got an audi tts v6 back then with the very first generation of the DSG gear paddle shift style. And that car was so fast and dangerous that only the DSG would be possible to do the same thing we used to do with stick.
Anyway I think today date I trust the technology specially from volkswagen group cars.
Another factor specifically with my mk7 golf r was that animal would surprise me everywhere no matter who the other car was. It's like it has ears 👂 and hears who is messing with it and based on the situation it would fly. All it needed was simple satege 1 tune with pops and bangs to even surprise me 3 years after I got it new and drove it stock. As soon as tuned it it became an ausi R8 Killer . 60mph to 160mph in literally 5 seconds sometimes with full boost ready
Wow, felt like I was onboard that hot lap. Steve, what a legend, wish we could see more of you on UA-cam.
For such shitty tires this time is impressive.
The tyres are quite good actually. Just not for track driving
@@XDG_97X Well that's the point, they're shitty for a track. Civic on the other hand had pretty much the best there are unless you get into semi-slicks.
@@derbigpr500 the auto gearbox makes up for more time than the tyres
@@tracktimevideos5164 and the AWD
@@DJAtienza AWD gives better traction but also much more drivetrain losses. 2wd is quicker.
As much as I know how good the Honda is on track..I'll still have this R over the Honda all day long..well done Steve as always..👍💪💯🏆
Same here, not interested in the civic is looks shite, and for what these cars get used for in real life scenarios the golf R or even GTI is miles above that shitty civic
@@VidNibs Considering the Civic is like 2 generations behind Golf in most areas, no, it won't decimate anything. Not to mention a new Golf is coming as soon as the new Type R anyway. The only thing Japanese do as well is chase lap times, and that's because they're actually focusing on that and sacrificing other areas of the car. The Golf doesn't sacrifice anything. It's pretty much as fast on track, or faster with the right tires, than the Civic Type R, and MUCH, MUCH better on the road. This car is still infinitely more capable on the road than the Civic Type R, it's gonna outpace the Civic on any surface, dry or wet, hot or cold, no matter how bumpy, and it's gonna be safer and more stable while doing it. Not to mention it rides WAAAAAAY better than the ultra-hard and harsh Civic, in fact, the GTI and R are more refined, quiet and comfortable than the regular Civic, let alone the Type R. Honda doesn't even come close to sitting on high speeds as comfortably and drama-free as the Golf. Type R basically goes all out to chase lap times and sacrifices a lot for it. Golf R doesn't sacrifice anything in any area, it's perfectly balanced and does all things equally well, and that's what makes it overall the better car. If you spend most of the time on track, get the Civic, for anything and everything else, get the Golf.
@@easyerc2226 people who don't understand driving are mostly interested in a car that does the driving for them.. like the R.. or like all the electrics.
People who understand driving, can comprehend the difference in car set-up. Not saying the R is a bad car; I'm just saying that it attracts mostly shitty drivers with basically no skill beside activating launch control mode..and that's what is sad about it.
To make an analogy, why sleep with a woman when you have your own hand?!, that's exactly what the R is, compared with a real driver's car. Plus that, from a fvecking 34-37k car, now it is over 50k. At 35k it was a great car. At 50k, its overrated af!
@@derbigpr500 stop, you speak like you do not know anything about them. It makes you look like you only *drove* public transport until yesterday...or you are simply a child.
Let me tell you that the new generation of performance golf, seat, skoda, etc are much much weaker then the previous ones. The cupra formentor and the golf have a terrible unfunctional interior ergonomy and the driving is so numb you feel more by taking a fvecking public bus(I exagerate of course but the feeling is missing from the experience) ; driving any of them is like driving a joystick on a PlayStation.. as fake as possible. Fast car indeed but very little feel. You feel disconected from the driving part.. it is like on a simulator.
So, if your pride and enjoyement is to let a computer launch the car fast at the stop lights, then, it is the perfect car for you. If you look for driving enjoyement and driving involvement, then it is not; and it is also 15k more expensive than it should. VW nedeed to get those money to develop electrics from somewhere.(the main reason for which this 8th gen feels less rezolved and cheaper in feel and quality)
edit. civic type r limited edition is an equally dumb and overrated. much stiffer, no AC, 10k extra.. it is a car for journalists to bla-bla about it on tracks but not a real option outside one.
@@eugenux "pEoPle wHo uNdErStAnD dRiVinG..." my god, what an arrogant and ignorant comment. Guess what, I drive a GT350, which is just about as analog as you could get in a modern-day car. And I'll be getting a Golf R. Believe it or not, there's more to car buying than strictly focusing on driver-centric qualities.
He was all over the place on that lap going from one side to the other and far from the ideal racing lines. I believe the car could do better even with those tires. He is also in love with the Type R, which is fine-it is a great car :-)
Thought the same as well. It may seemed that he pushed the car, but his lines were crappy and all over the place.
Exactly. For him to even get a worse time on the M2 Comp than the CTR Limited Edition just shows his bias, because we all know a CTR doesn't compare to a M2 Comp...
@@emiliospowerballer1441 He's a former racing driving! Perhaps the problem wasn't the driver but the car. The Golf R is fast in a straight line but the chassis/handling isn't great.
@@JacesOwnWorld 🤦🏻♂️
Road ability aside, I could not live with that infotainment system in the VW.
It's truly incredible that they made it that way and nobody in the entire development phase decided to do something about it. I'm pretty sure it will put off many many buyers.
All well and good, but as a daily I'll take the VW over the Honda anyday.
Agree 100%! But both are great cars.
@@bokiNYC In everyday life I dont agree with a Type R being a great car. On the track its a very good car though
great drive, great video!
Missed the first apex quite badly😅, but the rest of the lap itself is impressive 👏
Is anyone faster on youtube? Steve my hero 👍🏼👍🏼 Dream car the golf for me.
Fun to see. Had to review what was given by VW. Would like to see someone set up cars on identical rubber and wheel specs along with alignment. We’d get a true comparison in drive train by eliminating outside factors.
My guy! Awesome view 👏
Tires make such a huge difference on track, so what a shame VW didn't put the car on the optional Cup Sport 2's. The tires it came on are crap
The Auto box makes even more of a difference
Proper off road experience in golf
Awesome video! Now can we get the M2 Comp on the leaderboard please !!
It was almost a second quicker than the GR Yaris, and look at how many people love the GR Yaris. Just saying...
God it moves so much under braking on these Hankooks, amazed that VW put’s these on their most potent car...
Can't wait until I buy one just waiting to hear about the best of EVO sports cars role out so I can test drive few different one
Why in the name of god did they send it out with Hankooks? Considering they know well what the competition is going to be running with, that is just ludicrous!
Well it did have the massive advantage of the auto gearbox over many things
Blew right through that first corner XDDD
@EVO can you guys do the CT-4 BlackWing
Wish they’d bring back the 3 door Golf R.
Look like it's a handful but that means more driver engagement, even if its slower than a civic type R , its still got bite and I'm sure aftermarket tuners will have a feast with this engine
Rofl. Understeer is not a feature of an engaging drivers car.
Found the 'special' person that enjoys understeer, what clueless clown.
You were pretty aggressive with the apex off track excursions, just say'n
Yes I feel like there were a lot of mistakes made and some very awkward lines taken on that lap as well as some early braking. Not sure if its representative of what the car is truly capable of. I dought its only a couple of tenths quicker than the mk7 clubsport as shown at the end of the video.
Awesome. Go for smaller rims and get the P4s. Done.
This really is a fast, practical, boring and expensive car. It's for people who don't necessarily care about a 'driving experience' and maybe enjoy launching cars in straight lines. That's not a bad thing though, and is obviously what the market wants. Me personally? Not interested at all. I'd happily take a Type R and save 15k.
If you put a gun to my head and made me pick a Golf, it'd be a manual clubsport.
Great as always but you do have some severe sound level balance issues here.
Wait for the Golf 8 gti TCR if they ever make one
I'm not a fan of Golf 8
But you’re not on the track every day and on a wet Honda is struggling with traction
Today 30cm of snow in the mountains, where im from.
Would like to see it on it.
'a mile away from the type R'. May have lost a bit of credibility on that one mate!
Great car for non competitive performance driving. Otherwise, without spending a lot more performance after market parts, that understeer (but safe for most drivers on the road, head on collision is better and sideway one) is just killing lap times too much and it is a horrible feeling.. that I still remember having owned 4 VW's.
quite hard to get understeer when the car drifts itself haha
It is true that the 8R suffers alot of understeer , but a fast road geo-setup and a better tyre does miracles to help mitigate that...
My friend has done a fast road alignment on his , toyor888 tyres , and a set of kw clubsport coilovers, it really transformed the car on track ! He shaved almost 1.2 seconds of his laptime on a pretty technical 4.4 km track ...
Grtz
It's a great, quick, road good car. On track it looks heavy with a suspension setup that makes it drive like a car with twice its wheelbase
With a trailer on aswell judging by how much it washes out
@@jameshogg601 blame the hankooks
Is that the Saving Private Ryan setting for the color temperature of this video?
It would have been faster than the Civic had he not missed by the first apex by approximately 1/5th of the total length of the track lol. Also, tires on the Type R were still stickier than on the Golf.
Exactly. All these expert armchair racecar drivers saying it looked crappy, when they aren't driving it.
Surprised with the time, considering that it's clearly set up to be safe above all else. Also, why is the transmission always in the wrong gear? VW could make this a monster, hard to understand why they're not doing it. Better tires and more camber would make it more than a second faster..
Why would they ruin the car in order to gain an insignificant lap time difference on a hypothetical track? Not to mention that literally just putting better tires (as good as on the Civic) will make it faster on track than the Civic. This car is still infinitely more capable on the road than the Civic Type R, it's gonna outpace the Civic on any surface, dry or wet, hot or cold, no matter how bumpy, and it's gonna be safer and more stable while doing it. Not to mention it rides WAAAAAAY better than the ultra-hard and harsh Civic, in fact, the GTI and R are more refined, quiet and comfortable than the regular Civic, let alone the Type R. Honda doesn't even come close to sitting on high speeds as comfortably and drama-free as the Golf. Type R basically goes all out to chase lap times and sacrifices a lot for it. Golf R doesn't sacrifice anything in any area, it's perfectly balanced and does all things equally well, and that's what makes it overall the better car. If you spend most of the time track, get the Civic, for anything and everything else, get the Golf.
@@derbigpr500 sorry I lost the will to live half way through your college book essay.
What utter horse shit.
Two
hugely different market sectors, two totally opposing customer audiences and a totally pointless comparison given the aforementioned and the Target audience 😀
@@derbigpr500 Ok now write another essay about how more camber and better tires make it worse in ANY way, let alone ruin the car like you say? What a smartass. Smh
Oh and the rest of the sh*t that you said, I never even mentioned any of that. But thanks for writing a review for free. What a guy..
@@neilmilner7074 Thats why you will always be lacking in knowledge. There did I keep it short enough for you kid.
@@vroomgc and your point being exactly" Kid"
I've worked with VAG group for a total of 24 years, firstly with VW and then Audi as a centre R8 Ambassador..
Been on more trips to view and test new tech and newly launched models than you can think of.
So, to put you straight you patronising and slightly vulgar individual, I'm pretty well informed as it goes, and my track record with the Brands is a very consistent and hugely successful one.
Run along now I think it must be time for your children's TV programmes to begin, I'm sure if you're a good little chap mummy will let you watch the Stig"s hot lap on Top Gear repeats on Dave
Wow, 1550 kg.
those tires are aggressive all seasons on the R
2:23 Why is DCC in sport mode instead of all the way to race mode? Sport mode is the default setting, the "normal" mode, for road usage.
That was a demonstration of the display settings from the B-roll and not the actual setting for the hot lap. The magic of filming and editing ... 😉
@@Fastvoice how do you know? Other than this shot, we have no idea which setting he was using.
@@HotHatchTV I know because he says at 2:14 which setting he uses for the hot lap: "TC and stability systems switched off." Unless he blatantly lies ... 😉
@@Fastvoice TC and stability systems switches off is something completely different than the drive profiles. He talks about the Nürburgring chassis settings, which leaves the suspension in comfort mode, while race makes it stiffer and you can go even higher than race.
@@HotHatchTV ... and you really think he used a wrong setting for his lap? Because he has no clue - in contrast to you? 😁
It is fast for its power. Only 0.4 sec behind an M4 Competition F82.
Wrong gear on corner exits.
Wasn’t in Nurburg mode?
What are track limits?
Felt like the car was carrying a lot of weight through the corners
Why the dsg is always in the wrong gear at the exit of a turn ? It doesn’t understand the driving style
on a track there's barely any traction issues with the standard CTR, nevermind the limited. The porky golf may have an all weather advantage on the road but in flat out dry conditions it was never getting close to the Civic.
Looks a handful that golf ! Civic all day for me i even like the looks now & I own a gr yaris cp 😍😍
Am I getting old or did anyone else mute the sound
Hi, I just got my new Golf R for my daily drive. It is amazing but I would like to highlight a feedback from an owner perspective. The Sport mode is very nice but the steering heavy and the hard suspension is really not the best for every day. Unfortunately the car does not allow me to set a default drive mode or remember my last drive mode choice. I could not see anybody realizing that! I hope VW release a software update! Thank you
I still don't understand why you don't test the type R again in better conditions, you tested it with a different driver on a slick surface....that is not a professional comparison
BTW, there was an Auto express test done by Steve with the Type R sportline The FOCUS ST and Cupra laon, wasn't it the exact same circuit? The Type R sportline laped it by half a second faster than the LE EVO lap time
Surprised how close the GTI is to the R
You can buy real Sportstyres from VW for the VW. With this tyres it will have annihilated the TypeR Limited (which also was equipped with sports tyres). On the road and on performance the TypeR is helpless against the R.
First reduce weight, than add power...
Hankook are decent enough tyre but it would be black and white with a set of premium sports tyre.
Wow, even with Steve at the wheel thing looked like it was driving on ice. Couldn’t stop or turn in. What a disaster those tires must be. Ok, the Golf R isn’t a track car, but VW cheaped out with those tires.
I mean, from the video it looks a mess? Massive understeer starting with the first corner? But what do i know.
Steve was going in a little hot, perhaps. And to be fair, it’s not a track car, never was. It’s a grown up hot hatch that you won’t be embarrassed to drive.
How is it quicker than the clubsport S with the extra weight 😳
Rear wheel torque vectoring doing its magic
Time almost like Megane Trophy-R with for sure better tires.
Can't believe VW would do that with the tyres.
Why the hell do they send them out on Hankooks?
Mine has the 19's like the car in the vid and came on Goodyears
God that looks terrible 😃 Expertly driven, but even Steve couldn’t stop it understeering everywhere like it had butter all over its front tyres. Yuk.
7>8
Understeer. Needs some better rubber.
This car is the result of all the dieselgate and investment into EVs catching up with VW. If the Mk7 and 7.5 are akin to the original Mk1 GTI, the Mk8 is the Mk4 GTI.
I wouldn't any no to one lol on the road obviously a very capable car can't imaginemany peoplet tracking a new R........
Those tyres are shocking. PS4S are far better option.
Face facts all you VW lovers the Honda Type R is a much better car
Probably less problematic in the long run aswell!
True but the CTR is dog ugly
imagine being brand loyal
@@Keckegenkai indeed, sucks to be stuck with one brand.
@@tracktimevideos5164 Do you reckon! See I think it looks fantastic but different tastes I guess
TypeR>>>VW
Surely at 10 sec into the lap, the laptime's invalid?! Wayyyy of the circuit.
Missed the apex of T1 by approximately 7 or 8 postcodes.
I’ve seen people turn oil tankers more responsively than you turned that car…
No good tyres for the track
Problem with the Type R is it’s soulless engine. Sounds like a Vacuum Cleaner.
I really really want one
Drive 5 laps and those tires will explode!
i want 2
made him look scrappy,..those tyres..
NO DEALER HAS THE GOLF R NOR ARE THEY LIKLEY GET ONE TO SELL THIS YEAR!...
I think you've done the new R a massive injustice here personality. Look at the competition its beaten, the likes of the GR Yaris, FK8 and the clubsport Golf. Not bad to say those cars are far more track focused and the R had standard rubber.
If it was lighter, less understeery, less interference with the safety systems and better tyres then it would have gone much faster. Please drive A45S round this track
Absolute joke of a car with the interior controls. Unreliable heaps.
Surprised it's not much quicker than the Yaris with that Auto gearbox.
Also surprised your Focus RS lap was so slow, mine feels quicker than my Yaris on track.
Track limits on turn one? 🤣
That impressive considering it a Golf, lets face it, VAG cars out of the box have never been track focused, would still have the Type R.
Golf 8 is such a disappointment they really might as well have not bothered and just continued with the 7.5, The Civic is vastly more enjoyable to drive .
How long have these been out for? I think I’ve seen 2 on the road. Compared to when the mk7 was launched and they were everywhere. I think buyers are put off by the infotainment, weight and cost. It just isn’t very exciting for the money being asked
In case you've been living under a rock, there's a chip shortage right now limiting the production of all cars. VW literally can't build the mk8s fast enough to meet demand, hence the huge markups right now. Dealers in the US are asking $50k for GTIs and $60k for Golf Rs.
@@headcoatee If they didn’t insist on so many touchscreens, they wouldn’t need so many chips! And I’ve seen plenty of standard mk8 golfs and even more ID3’s
@@jamesstanley7263 The average new car uses around 140 semiconductors, it has nothing to do with the touch screens. VW are favouring electric and hybrid models to bring their global emissions down.
@@headcoatee
Exactly.
Also, dealers were practically giving the mk7 golf Rs away on finance (in the UK)!
@@ihavenousername1805 My point exactly! If they are not being given away ridiculously cheaply, nobody wants one. Golf R is all about spec sheet figures. But for £50k, your next door neighbour (who couldn’t care less about cars) can own a Tesla model 3 with significantly better performance. Golf R was a one trick pony that is now pointless
But nobody above 30 wants to be seen in that Honda
You guys really don’t like VW products.
I think the Gti Clubsport would have been faster than the Golf R around the track.
The Clubsport S is on the timing list in the video - 2/10th slower. 😉
@@Fastvoice exactly..but I said the GTI Clubsport, meaning the golf 8 Gti Clubsport and not the mark 7 Clubsport S…😉
@@mercedakiask4359 The former (7) model was also named GTI Clubsport here in Germany so I couldn't know what you meant.
@@Fastvoice I live in Germany too. The thing is that in the video we see the mark 8 Golf R…and the second is that you said Clubsport S not Clubsport and the S was only by mark 7. anyway… egal 😐
@@mercedakiask4359 Ah - okay, I didn't take the missing "S" in your post into account. 😉
Stop talking (unless you get paid for it). Golf R rules the roost.
The Honda Civic Type R Is the better Car
Except in the wet or damp conditions
Golf r for me. never a Honda
The amount of pitch, roll, steering angle needed is more like a Cayenne than a hot hatch. It might do the numbers, but this Golf looks about as enjoyable as dealing with a shite infotainment system. Oh wait….
The Honda was designed by a visual paraplegic.
Thats why they made the golf for people like you.
change the driver please and it will go quicker. In video it seems like somebody is driving first time this car and first lap on that... huge mistakes are made - terrible!
Was an awful lap. Missed apexes, early braking and left it in auto so not right gear on corner exits….
My 3 door Mk7 is a belter. It's a hot hatch. Who the fuck wants 5 doors?
It turns out most people want 5 doors which is why most manufacturers no longer do a 3door option.
I'm starting to have more and more problems with this kind of tests where cars are clocked on a track from the factory for lap times. Less than 1% of users of any standard cars ever go to a track or do give a rat’s ass about laptimes. Nice to show that you guys can drive fast on a track and good for your egos, but these cars are bought for the looks and the driving pleasure. please focus on that.
Type r fugly so I’ll take the 1 second lose lol
Its such a shame that Fords engineers with 350 HP and 4wd was not even able to be within 3s off a 2.0 Type R fwd / Golf 7R.
Ford is such a stupid brand with weak engines.. No wonder they ve no Focus RS MK IV. Mayb they ve had enuf f embarassment