@@Icelandair_B767it definitely will be. Boeing still produces the 767F so those will be flying for another 20-30 years. Also, in addition to the freighter, the 767 will live on as the KC-46 Pegasus, which is partially replacing older KC-135s.
The Airbus A350 has developed an envious reputation for quality, performance and efficiency, launching a freighter version of this relatively new but proven aircraft is almost a no brainer. This time around the Airbus seems to have the beating of the Boeing although with fewer orders thus far although 34 of the 777XF orders are from Qatar, possibly in a fit of pique during their disagreement with Airbus. If I was a betting man I would put money on Airbus with the A350F outselling Boeing’s 777XF.
@@paulinejackson5861ridiculous comment, the aircraft help up exceptionally well for that kind of impact, and any other aircraft would have crashed because it was night time and would be very difficult for the pilots to see the much smaller coast guard plane on the runway. There is absolutely nothing to with the aircraft design
@@paulinejackson5861There was never a hull loss for a composite civil aircraft before, and knowledge is still limited. I doubt things would be any better was it a 787. At this point though, as long as it can withstand until all passengers evacuated it is good enough.
@@paulinejackson5861 What a stupid inane and ignorant comment to post on a public forum. I hope Airbus sues you. If brains were dynamite, you couldn’t blow your nose. How to tell people you know nothing about the details of the Tokyo crash without saying you know nothing about the details of the Tokyo crash .
@@Sacto1654 Let us just look up the core data: 777F...: MTOW: 348 t, Payload: 105 t, Cargo volume: 535 m3, Range: 9.047 km (Atlas Air spec). A350F: MTOW: 319 t, Payload: 111 t, Cargo volume: 695 m3, Range: 8.700 km. 777 F figures differ slightly, depending on source However, for FedEx they should give food for some intellectual digesting
I wonder what ICAO code the A350F is gonna have? Since the A350F has a length between the A350-900 (A359) and the A350-1000 (A35K) but it's based mostly on the A35K, will it have the code A35K or a custom code, like "A35F"?
@@KattasiumAviation well actually B77F doesn't exist. Bothe the 777-200LR and 777-F share the code B77L. So by that logic the 777-8F might as well just be B778
Given that the 777X passenger variant is way way behind schedule, Will this impede the production of a freighter? Will the FAA restrict their activities in order that Boeing concentrate on solving the problems of the FrankenMax ? If customers can’t trust Boeing to deliver, it could harm their prospects. Orders from the big cargo guys like UPS and FedEx and DHL will make a big difference to the success of Boeing or Airbus freighters.
With all the issues at Boeing and the 777X delays, I'm thinking some airlines are thinking it's worth taking a punt on the A350F. I got to thinking during the video. I wonder would it be possible to make a dedicated A380 freighter? I'm not asking if it'll happen. Just if it's possible, however unlikely.
It's too heavy and has too much space for the usual airfreight. If it would have been an option, it would be in service already. As such, nope. Not even using existing airframes.
777XF still has an edge in payload range and cargo space as it seems, but safe to say A350F is very close. THY and Cathay's endorsement is an act of trust to A350F, as both of them are some of the biggest cargo airlines in the world.
I would say, it depends on the out come of Boeings troubles with the MAX. I know its a completely different aircraft but the management at Boeing has a remit, that wont change across aircraft. People are asking which aircraft is next? That implies the 777x and its freighter version. Personally, I would go for the 350F. I am not sure, what others might do, given Boeings bad image.
@@alumni2a692 well the first conversion was only done in 2017 and up until last year it was only one company worldwide that did the conversions. Also passenger A330s are only starting to getting retired in recent years. I think they have about 40 conversions currently on order and I expect more to come.
With those "undisclosed customer" airframes, I'm guessing Airbus is probably the customer. Airbus has some very large aircraft to deliver components for manufacturing, which is good for large components like wings and sections of the body. But not every component needs such a large aircraft to deliver it. So this A350F could be used to deliver components that aren't so big and help the manufacturer with it's production.
Well, the real Question is, how Boeing is doing in the near to middle future regarding 777-8F. If Boeing´s Problems continue with 737MAX, 787 and 777X certification, they could fall behind Airbus und maybe some Order of 777-8F will be canceled and could be converted to A350F´s. But who reallly knows what the future brings...
@@MrSchwabentier If whistleblowers are silenced (and murdered?), there is no way to certify any Boeing product any quality. If they create a work climate to foster cover-ups, then someone can assume cover-ups.
I don't believe that the new Boeing 777F will be available anytime soon. The passenger version is not even fully certified yet, and they won't start developing the freighter until that's completed. So, hopefully, Airbus will sell more, better for customers 🛩🛫
You are happily invited to contact e.g. Cargolux and ask them to keep one 747 for you. (And promise them to pay the incremental maintenance and fuel bills)
While Airbus continues to focus on range, Boeing continues to focus on cargo capacity. As a result, Boeing will continue to sell more widebody aircraft than Airbus.
normally i perfer older cargo planes like the 767, 747, A300, etc. but a cargo version of the A350 looks amazing, hopefully i get to see it
I hope that the 767F will continue flying for a long time more.
@@Icelandair_B767Yes.
indeed, vintage aircrafts are so cool ^^
@@Icelandair_B767it definitely will be. Boeing still produces the 767F so those will be flying for another 20-30 years. Also, in addition to the freighter, the 767 will live on as the KC-46 Pegasus, which is partially replacing older KC-135s.
767s are pretty historic and game-changing aircraft, maybe even underrated so glad it won’t completely disappear soon
I wanna see the prototype's first flight, so we can see that awesome livery that won the livery competition
The Airbus A350 has developed an envious reputation for quality, performance and efficiency, launching a freighter version of this relatively new but proven aircraft is almost a no brainer. This time around the Airbus seems to have the beating of the Boeing although with fewer orders thus far although 34 of the 777XF orders are from Qatar, possibly in a fit of pique during their disagreement with Airbus. If I was a betting man I would put money on Airbus with the A350F outselling Boeing’s 777XF.
The results from the Haneda incident have not been finalised. It is likely the design of the aircraft contributed to that accident.
@@paulinejackson5861 How so? Any other plane would've crashed into that coast guard plane all the same.
@@paulinejackson5861ridiculous comment, the aircraft help up exceptionally well for that kind of impact, and any other aircraft would have crashed because it was night time and would be very difficult for the pilots to see the much smaller coast guard plane on the runway. There is absolutely nothing to with the aircraft design
@@paulinejackson5861There was never a hull loss for a composite civil aircraft before, and knowledge is still limited. I doubt things would be any better was it a 787.
At this point though, as long as it can withstand until all passengers evacuated it is good enough.
@@paulinejackson5861
What a stupid inane and ignorant comment to post on a public forum.
I hope Airbus sues you.
If brains were dynamite, you couldn’t blow your nose.
How to tell people you know nothing about the details of the Tokyo crash without saying you know nothing about the details of the Tokyo crash .
I ordered the other 4 aircraft
How will you fly them all at the same time???
Looks like both will be successful freighters in the future..
Interested where FedEx and UPS go with their future freighter needs.
FedEx is going mostly with the 777F (for now). UPS may acquire the A350F to replace non-747-8F freighters.
@@Sacto1654 Let us just look up the core data:
777F...: MTOW: 348 t, Payload: 105 t, Cargo volume: 535 m3, Range: 9.047 km (Atlas Air spec).
A350F: MTOW: 319 t, Payload: 111 t, Cargo volume: 695 m3, Range: 8.700 km.
777 F figures differ slightly, depending on source
However, for FedEx they should give food for some intellectual digesting
Wonderful update. Very interesting.
I wonder what ICAO code the A350F is gonna have? Since the A350F has a length between the A350-900 (A359) and the A350-1000 (A35K) but it's based mostly on the A35K, will it have the code A35K or a custom code, like "A35F"?
probably the latter.
Definitely A35F like B77F, the bigger question is the 777-8F, is it gonna be B7XF?
@@KattasiumAviation well actually B77F doesn't exist. Bothe the 777-200LR and 777-F share the code B77L. So by that logic the 777-8F might as well just be B778
@@MrSchwabentier makes sense but I’m kinda split on the idea of the A350F being A35K
@@KattasiumAviation yeah well the A350F is kind of a A350-950... So i guess it could get its own designator
Given that the 777X passenger variant is way way behind schedule, Will this impede the production of a freighter?
Will the FAA restrict their activities in order that Boeing concentrate on solving the problems of the FrankenMax ?
If customers can’t trust Boeing to deliver, it could harm their prospects.
Orders from the big cargo guys like UPS and FedEx and DHL will make a big difference to the success of Boeing or Airbus freighters.
Imo I hope both aircraft succeed and see them fly in the skies. I love both equally.
The guys at AirBus have their heads screwed on perfectly, they are accomplishing such great things off this platform
With all the issues at Boeing and the 777X delays, I'm thinking some airlines are thinking it's worth taking a punt on the A350F.
I got to thinking during the video. I wonder would it be possible to make a dedicated A380 freighter? I'm not asking if it'll happen. Just if it's possible, however unlikely.
Everything is possible, but making A380F makes no sesne
It's too heavy and has too much space for the usual airfreight. If it would have been an option, it would be in service already.
As such, nope. Not even using existing airframes.
Expect more competition in this space going forward. Hope Boeing doesn’t falter like it did in narrow body airplanes.
777XF still has an edge in payload range and cargo space as it seems, but safe to say A350F is very close. THY and Cathay's endorsement is an act of trust to A350F, as both of them are some of the biggest cargo airlines in the world.
Let's see what the likes of Cargolux does. I wouldn't be surprised that cargo carrier could could 20 or more A350F's a few years from now.
We'll see. Maybe they transfer to A350F. But with the current order of 10+6 777XF I doubt that..
I would say, it depends on the out come of Boeings troubles with the MAX. I know its a completely different aircraft but the management at Boeing has a remit, that wont change across aircraft. People are asking which aircraft is next? That implies the 777x and its freighter version. Personally, I would go for the 350F. I am not sure, what others might do, given Boeings bad image.
If I owned a cargo airline, I would order hundreds of the a350F’s
wow
7:33 knowing this, how many A330 were converted to freighters then ?
25-30 so far. SOmewhere around that.
@@MrSchwabentier thanks, still very low then.
@@alumni2a692 well the first conversion was only done in 2017 and up until last year it was only one company worldwide that did the conversions. Also passenger A330s are only starting to getting retired in recent years. I think they have about 40 conversions currently on order and I expect more to come.
@@MrSchwabentier thanks for the detailed reply
With those "undisclosed customer" airframes, I'm guessing Airbus is probably the customer.
Airbus has some very large aircraft to deliver components for manufacturing, which is good for large components like wings and sections of the body. But not every component needs such a large aircraft to deliver it. So this A350F could be used to deliver components that aren't so big and help the manufacturer with it's production.
no, that is certainly not the case. There is no demand for such an aircraft in Airbus supply chain
Well, the real Question is, how Boeing is doing in the near to middle future regarding 777-8F. If Boeing´s Problems continue with 737MAX, 787 and 777X certification, they could fall behind Airbus und maybe some Order of 777-8F will be canceled and could be converted to A350F´s. But who reallly knows what the future brings...
Simple Flying saying something was a "flop" was not on my 2024 bingo card
I believe the secret costumer is cargolux !!!
CMA CGM Air Cargo (as it looks now)
this makes the aircraft less boring looking so im all for the deisgn
I fully support boeing for the best freighters so I would like to see 777X frieghter to enter service.....❤❤
Why not an A400F for África, Asia and América and some europan routes as it does not need airports.
Its kinda sad though to see it replace the older 747f
Indeed =(
My guess is at least 100 A350F
The 777X Freighter will be better
Spirit AeroSystems, Wichita, makes the A350 fuselage.
Actually it's made in Kinston NC, not Wichita.
@@gregsmith3410 That is good to know. However, Spirit's corporate headquarters are in Wichita.
@@fomfom9779👌
A350 is a very nice airliner but the 777 F is a proven, reliable cargo hauler already. The X will be even better.
well we simply don't know that. Just because the previous model was good doesn't mean the next is as well. And vice versa
@@MrSchwabentier If whistleblowers are silenced (and murdered?), there is no way to certify any Boeing product any quality. If they create a work climate to foster cover-ups, then someone can assume cover-ups.
I don't believe that the new Boeing 777F will be available anytime soon. The passenger version is not even fully certified yet, and they won't start developing the freighter until that's completed. So, hopefully, Airbus will sell more, better for customers 🛩🛫
A350f
I like it, but it's really an afterthought. it's not going to match the 747 that was originally designed as a purpose built freighter.
You are happily invited to contact e.g. Cargolux and ask them to keep one 747 for you.
(And promise them to pay the incremental maintenance and fuel bills)
I didn't get it. According on animation at beginning of video, The A350F is based on A359 but with main gear from -1000? What a discovery 😂
It's based on the -1000 with a shorter fuselage. Important is the stronger gear and bigger wing in comparision to the -900
While Airbus continues to focus on range, Boeing continues to focus on cargo capacity. As a result, Boeing will continue to sell more widebody aircraft than Airbus.
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The livery is awful, its a deplorable abomination.