@@alextasarov1341 4wd has worst drive train loss then the supra plus the m3/m4 xdrive is 400kg heavier there a reason why the mk5 supra platform dominates time attack class a 30-40k tuning package for a mk5 supra can fight a gt3rs on the track.
the s58 is held to higher emissions standards because it comes with a significantly higher power output from the factory. An adjustment in tune or modifications made to the exhaust system fixes that. Burbles are extremely overrated and overplayed at this point. They were cool for 5 minutes in the early 2010s. I like that they arent loud on my g80. I actually want them removed.
I mean this is a really stupid question as the S58 is just a beefier B58, with more cooling, better internals and twin turbos instead of a single twin scroll. Of course the S58 is better. And I drive a 340i (B58).
My BM3 Stage 2 E30 B58 is all I need. Sleeper car, over 500bhp with just an AA high flow cat and sounds amazing. As my daily, I don't need the forged internals, rigid chasis, etc, etc. M340i FTW IMHO. Oh, and the cracks and pops. Hnnnggg... Drove a G80, I'll take my G20 for $20k less.
@@snowman2834 stock for stock... the B58 engine makes more TQ at 1500rpm than the S58. Yes, the S58 makes more later on in the power band, but the B58 is smoother and faster to respond. Since you have more power earlier in the RPM range, you dont have to run the engine at high rpm all the time for instant response. This means better fuel economy.
Yeah okay, I see right through your post... I have zero doubt that if you wanted to spend the money, you'd get a S58 over a B58 all day...By that same logic, why spend the extra money on a M340i rather than a regular 340i...you can still get the same bhp, just won't have the performance brakes...
@franklinwatson7767 the base 340i hasn't had the B58 for nearly 5 years since the 2019 340i M series. If I bought used, I'd just get a used M3. I bought new and the M340i is where it's at IMHO. But hey, you have/want a G80 M3, more power to ya bud.
its pretty much the same motor with different turbo and internal setup its a hotter stronger and spicier version of the b58 just like the s55 is to the n55.
@MichaelSchwab-nk4rm I've had mine 4 years and no issues with FBO. Not sure what the others were running. I've got an N54 build, a B58 build and an S63 build. It's not even close. The S63 kills everything in my garage including my Merc AMG and vette.
I want to get a beemer, but shudder to think of the maintenance cost. I just hear/read that the price of admission pales in comparison to the price for sustainability? Would love an E46 M3. Even a 330 would be nice.
You have to almost approach it like a hobby when it comes to older //M car BMWs. The E46 330 would be a great choice those, relatively low maintenance costs and awesome handling. The M3 is faster of course, but you will spend more to keep it in good order. Stay away from the V8s and V10s unless you can DIY or hate your wallet --- coming from someone that owns both lol.
Or do all your own maintenance. I've got a 2021 BMW M550i stealership charges almost 2k an axle for brakes and rotors. I did it myself for 5 hours of my time and about $700.
no shit the s58 makes stock makes what a tuned b58 with downpipe tuned intake and exhuast makes its litrilly a hot version of the b58 from the factory.
My OG e39 540i 6 speed is slower, but none of these engines are as harmonic as the M62 or S62 N/A... I need that analog feel, too much tech on these new bimmas..
The B58 can’t be better, since the S58 is literally a beefed up B58. Better internals, cooling and twin turbos. The S58 is a B58 variant. This video asks a silly question.
Thomas is right. Also, your argument makes 0 sense because the engineering is completely different on a diesel engine. There's no reason to bring a diesel variant into the equation. As for tuning, if you're comparing from baseline, you'll spend around 5k to hit 750-800whp on an s58, whereas 5k on a b58 gets you 550-650whp.
It's moronic to think a B58 is a better platform than the M Motorsports S58 engine. 90 percent of the S58s parts are different than the B58 as well. Its not even the same bore and stroke.
Don't be such a pussy-cat. I sent my ecu to Finland the day I got my car from the dealership. That said, I do know from past experience that my dealer will still cover non-engine related issues.
@@carbonm2 clearly you didn’t watch the video properly buddy , he said the Supra made 100-150 hp less than the m3 and they both have the same/similar bolt ons so fuel is not an issue in this case and anyone whose going to be making power will be doing the pumps anyway so not sure why that’s even a factor. Also I was talking purely motor wise same bolt on b58 with rods and pistons makes same hp as s58 ? Doesn’t take a genius to understand that. Obviously s58 motor is superior from factory because it the m engine but it’s interesting to see the difference which doesn’t look like there’s a huge power gap to a non m engine for now
@@carbonm2 yeah no shit like i said the s58 is a hot roded b58 from the factory bigger turbo more fueling and stronger internal its a b58 that was remade by the M division the b58 also makes similar number if you give it enough fuel and turbo upgrade im not saying the b58 is better im saying there both the same family of engines one was made for more utility another was made to go racing but ironically funny enough the b58 has seen more racing sucess then the s58 toyota and bmw gt4 and road racing and time attack serires has shown the b58 to be very capable there bascialy fielding a bone stock b58 with upgraded cooling and has won many endurance and track event across the world.
I’m a middle class worker making literally the median income of the country ($50k). I own a home and support my family and have no debt besides aforementioned house, a lawn mower installment plan and the car that I drive. I have savings and do ok if not amazing. I was able to buy a low mileage (40k), high spec (port MPPSK installation, adaptive dampers, M Wheels, digital dash and HUD, etc) near-mint 2018 RWD 340i for 34k a year and a half ago. Thats a sub $400 a month payment, which is low enough that I always overpay on it to reduce the term. One of the truck driving guys at my work tried saying how I must be spending so much in my payments… when I told them how cheap it was he realized his barebones truck actually cost him more monthly. I have put a $425 TU pump on and $300 VSRF Downpipe. I have a $500 MHD flex fuel module on my bench. When that goes on and I adjust the tune, I will have a 500whp+ sports sedan that I can put my two children into comfortably. My wife literally commented last time I drove with her in my car how nice and comfy my car is and rides (with H&R sport springs mind you). It gets well over 30mpg on my highway trip to work (unless I get caught up working over a muscle car…) The B58 is brilliant because it’s a working man’s tuner hero. I also love the s58 and with some hard work, and patience I’ll have an s58 powered M2 in my garage as my “forever car”.
also a dumb argument to point out a drag focused car reigning supreme over an entire platform. 99.99% of both b58 and s58s are street cars. Dump 5k of mods into both and the s58 will be at 800whp whereas the b58, 6-650whp. Keep clinging to the 1 or 2 b58s running 7s as though that's what matters lmao. Teenage mindset.
@@Xyros7 well thought out argument. unlike you, i own the engine in debate. you may be in high school looking to a b58 as your first car, but I'm in a g80 comp, my fourth car. there are levels to this. you have a lot to learn. im a long time bmw owner. one of the first single turbo n54s back in 2017. sit down and put your mask on in school
The b58 that’s in the 7s is a fully custom built motor… I like the b58 as I’ve owned one myself , but I’m looking towards the s58 now so I could get more power without building the motor .
@@patthonsirilim5739 Australian time Attack? Last weekend WTAC 24 occurred and Supras represented 2 of the 89 competitors. (Mostly EVO’s, STI’s, Porsche’s gT86 and Nissan GTRs, Hondas etc). The Supras weren’t competitive in their classes.
had nothing to do with the cost? Lol. It's an objectively better car in every area, even with a much heavier frame. Take both to a track in stock and modified form.
I don’t think most of us do… I’d be the first to tell you an S58 is superior to my B58. Of course it is, it’s the beefed up version of the motor. That said, the B58 is a fantastic mid-level tuning platform.
I don’t think anyone thinks that. The s58 is definitely superior and beefed up. I think the hang up for a lot of people is the sound. S58 sounds terrible.
@@98ws6m6cvert there are a lot of B58 die hards who think this. Just read comments in videos and groups. I've argued with many. S58 doesn't sound too bad, a lot of s58 owners are deleting their resonators, which makes them sound like crap
@@Cali4nium I just think it sounds awful period. Doesn’t sound like it should. The b58 has a nice deep tone. The s58 is too raspy and high pitched. I can see people thinking it’s better, but mechanically that’s not the case. Drag racing wise the b58 is a good performer. The sound is why I did not buy a m3.
@@98ws6m6cvert like I said, owners remove resonators, that's why you hear the rasp and the 2nd turbo doesn't help either. You are aware G80/82s break into 9s with just an E tune? S58s hold power 'til redline. Anyone buying an i6 tt is not having the exhaust note be the deciding factor...that's what V8 guys say when they can't compete with boosted i6 or v6s lol
If you build a b58 motor with upgraded internals you will essentially create a s58. If the s58 installs upgraded internals it will be the upgraded b58.
the chief engineer did a reddit AMA and stated they hardly had any work to do because BMW made it so reliable. They pretty much signed off on what BMW presented to them. S58 owner here.
B58 is King. B58 is in the 7s and has many cars going 7s. Only S58 close to 7s is RK Auto which was an 8.08. Sorry boys, you say M engines are better but forget history. I also had E92 M3 which was slow as shit and also own 2011 335is that would shit on my M3. No just cause the engine code starts with S it isn’t better 🤡 B58 IFYKYK and if ya don’t 🤣🤣
@@mikeonawave A B58 found on your average BMW or Supra is nothing like a motorsports engine.. it's a mass produced consumer engine. Look at the design and internals of the S58 it is built for motorsports. Please understand what what a motorsport engine is before posting a stupid comment?
To be fair as an M owner myself, all the M cars are mass production cars found in damn near every variant of the bmw line up. People can literally make whatever they want as fast as they want with the wallet. M cars to me play a huge factor in the handling and suspension department. I wouldn't compare a twin turbo set up with a single turbo set up. It really comes down to what platform you want. M ISNT THE END ALL BE ALL. That's like me saying my 1000whp c7 z06 destroys my f80 m3. Different cars different engines. Just have fun with what you as the owner picks. There will always be some one faster. Stock for stock the s58 is a more powerful engine to be expected but the b58 is also very tried and true in reliability and power. I'm just glad that these cars still exist in a world heading towards EV 😢
@@patc8653 As a owner of a G42 240xi and a G82 M4 I have to say both cars are nice and unique in their own ways. And both cars are mass production cars, these are not Bugattis.
@@wingedhussar5528 Never said BMWs are like Bugatti's. Before getting my G87 M2 I had a F87 M2 Comp that I tracked heavily and had my fair share driving Supras and M340i. If you understand the kind of characteristics and build of a "motorsport" engine is like.. you would understand how different the S58 is to a B58. But of course.. anything can be built to go racing.. the S58 is just more race ready.
800 wheel on s58 in all wheel drive going to be hard to beat that platform
I noticed the testing was done to the rear wheels on the Xdrive.
@@negropenyes you can so it by deactivating it. That’s how I did it on my G80
@@negropenit reduces drivetrain loss to better tune the engine and get a more comparable figure to the supra
Daza will take it.
@@alextasarov1341 4wd has worst drive train loss then the supra plus the m3/m4 xdrive is 400kg heavier there a reason why the mk5 supra platform dominates time attack class a 30-40k tuning package for a mk5 supra can fight a gt3rs on the track.
S58 with AWD in the M3. Love my car.
Coming from a stock B58 to a stock S58, one thing I truly miss is the sound. My B58 used to pop and crackle. My S58 does not and just soubds so muted.
the s58 is held to higher emissions standards because it comes with a significantly higher power output from the factory. An adjustment in tune or modifications made to the exhaust system fixes that. Burbles are extremely overrated and overplayed at this point. They were cool for 5 minutes in the early 2010s. I like that they arent loud on my g80. I actually want them removed.
@@NexusAbstracts yeah, I'm still on the burble train lol.
@@brelaxed13the exhaust is what is muting it not tuning. Just get a cat back and it'll wake up
Why do u think Toyota chose the B58. Its better for the driver experience as well
I mean this is a really stupid question as the S58 is just a beefier B58, with more cooling, better internals and twin turbos instead of a single twin scroll. Of course the S58 is better. And I drive a 340i (B58).
The S58 only shares roughly 10% of its tech with the B58, two different motors...it's not like the N55 and the S55...
My BM3 Stage 2 E30 B58 is all I need. Sleeper car, over 500bhp with just an AA high flow cat and sounds amazing. As my daily, I don't need the forged internals, rigid chasis, etc, etc. M340i FTW IMHO. Oh, and the cracks and pops. Hnnnggg... Drove a G80, I'll take my G20 for $20k less.
dont forget the B58 has better MPG's and better low-end tq!
@@q2subzerosays who? 😂 s58 makes 700wtq with just a tune what are you talking about
@@snowman2834 stock for stock... the B58 engine makes more TQ at 1500rpm than the S58. Yes, the S58 makes more later on in the power band, but the B58 is smoother and faster to respond. Since you have more power earlier in the RPM range, you dont have to run the engine at high rpm all the time for instant response. This means better fuel economy.
Yeah okay, I see right through your post... I have zero doubt that if you wanted to spend the money, you'd get a S58 over a B58 all day...By that same logic, why spend the extra money on a M340i rather than a regular 340i...you can still get the same bhp, just won't have the performance brakes...
@franklinwatson7767 the base 340i hasn't had the B58 for nearly 5 years since the 2019 340i M series. If I bought used, I'd just get a used M3. I bought new and the M340i is where it's at IMHO. But hey, you have/want a G80 M3, more power to ya bud.
Crazy how we're talking about 800 whp as everyday horsepower these days lol
GM has been talking about it for the past 20 years
Ikr what a time to be alive!
646 rwhp for the b58 and 772 awhp for the s58 if your dyno uses sae correction instead of std correction factors. Something to keep in mind.
S58 is an M motor, the B58 is not an M motor. Only non BMW enthusiasts think the B58 is better. Both great but S58 is king
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Actually S63 is king lol
its pretty much the same motor with different turbo and internal setup its a hotter stronger and spicier version of the b58 just like the s55 is to the n55.
@@the-next-gear3626S63 is Shit. Blowing up left and right at local dealerships. Bent Rods. Seriously?? Bent Rods?!?!?
@MichaelSchwab-nk4rm I've had mine 4 years and no issues with FBO. Not sure what the others were running.
I've got an N54 build, a B58 build and an S63 build. It's not even close. The S63 kills everything in my garage including my Merc AMG and vette.
I thought my F82 at 730 WHP was crazy, these S58’s are next level. I’m back to stock turbos running 611 WHP. FBO settup.
Whats the reason for going back to stockers?
The B58 sounds so much better
That’s because it’s a single turbo. The s58 sounds amazing with a single turbo. Look up some videos
the b58 has proven to be nothing short of incredible but the s58 is an s58
Great vid! More of this!
I want to get a beemer, but shudder to think of the maintenance cost. I just hear/read that the price of admission pales in comparison to the price for sustainability? Would love an E46 M3. Even a 330 would be nice.
You have to almost approach it like a hobby when it comes to older //M car BMWs. The E46 330 would be a great choice those, relatively low maintenance costs and awesome handling. The M3 is faster of course, but you will spend more to keep it in good order. Stay away from the V8s and V10s unless you can DIY or hate your wallet --- coming from someone that owns both lol.
Or do all your own maintenance. I've got a 2021 BMW M550i stealership charges almost 2k an axle for brakes and rotors. I did it myself for 5 hours of my time and about $700.
@@Mrcannolli 700 for OEM parts from the dealership!?
@@Mrcannolli So the answer is no lol!!!😄
The S58 makes the same power with just downpipe and e40 tune as the B58 does with all additional bolt ons
no shit the s58 makes stock makes what a tuned b58 with downpipe tuned intake and exhuast makes its litrilly a hot version of the b58 from the factory.
Depends on the turbo
My OG e39 540i 6 speed is slower, but none of these engines are as harmonic as the M62 or S62 N/A... I need that analog feel, too much tech on these new bimmas..
M62/S62 crew checking in! Agree, although all things considered I have been impressed with reliability of the B58 for a modern turbo BMW engine...
But Mikey Botti tuned a Mk5 Supra and made it run 7 second on a 1/4 mile. I have yet to see an S58-powered car does that.
I thought the Supra 2021 and up isn’t tunable? I guessed wrong? I thought the ecu was locked
Need to take the ecu out and send it off. Think the ecu gets cloned than returned.
I've heard the B58 is better for tuning because its designed with a diesel variant in mind, the b57. i cant confirm that, just an opinion i heard
The B58 can’t be better, since the S58 is literally a beefed up B58. Better internals, cooling and twin turbos. The S58 is a B58 variant. This video asks a silly question.
Thomas is right. Also, your argument makes 0 sense because the engineering is completely different on a diesel engine. There's no reason to bring a diesel variant into the equation. As for tuning, if you're comparing from baseline, you'll spend around 5k to hit 750-800whp on an s58, whereas 5k on a b58 gets you 550-650whp.
B58 sounds better
You can thank the big single turbo for that.
It's moronic to think a B58 is a better platform than the M Motorsports S58 engine. 90 percent of the S58s parts are different than the B58 as well. Its not even the same bore and stroke.
Can't wait for the warranty to expire on my G87 hahahaha
Don't be such a pussy-cat. I sent my ecu to Finland the day I got my car from the dealership. That said, I do know from past experience that my dealer will still cover non-engine related issues.
The canted exhaust tips and wheels look terrible on the G80.
So b58 like 100-150hp less because of internals , so swop out rods and pistons and you can make the same ?
that what the s58 is its a hot roded version of the b58 from the factory.
No you won't have the fuel or turbo buddy. S58 has 2 HPFP, and 2 bigger turbos. You will need do a lot more
@@carbonm2 clearly you didn’t watch the video properly buddy , he said the Supra made 100-150 hp less than the m3 and they both have the same/similar bolt ons so fuel is not an issue in this case and anyone whose going to be making power will be doing the pumps anyway so not sure why that’s even a factor.
Also I was talking purely motor wise same bolt on b58 with rods and pistons makes same hp as s58 ? Doesn’t take a genius to understand that. Obviously s58 motor is superior from factory because it the m engine but it’s interesting to see the difference which doesn’t look like there’s a huge power gap to a non m engine for now
@@carbonm2 yeah no shit like i said the s58 is a hot roded b58 from the factory bigger turbo more fueling and stronger internal its a b58 that was remade by the M division the b58 also makes similar number if you give it enough fuel and turbo upgrade im not saying the b58 is better im saying there both the same family of engines one was made for more utility another was made to go racing but ironically funny enough the b58 has seen more racing sucess then the s58 toyota and bmw gt4 and road racing and time attack serires has shown the b58 to be very capable there bascialy fielding a bone stock b58 with upgraded cooling and has won many endurance and track event across the world.
If I was doing a drag build.. I would choose the B58. If I was doing a track build I would definitely go with the S58.
If you think a FBO b58 is better then a FBO S58 you need to be investigated. 😂
Preach. I was like wtf he just say?
U forgot to compare price😂
Use 6870 turbo on the B58 and it'll produce 1000 hp.
That boost logic exhaust on the m3 looks like ass hanging out like that
the s58 is a Plattform build for actual motorsport. it powers the BMW M4 GT3
You must mean the P58.
@@PrecisionSportIndustries Same Platform
is that the "European auto source" building
This was all filmed at our New (old) Winter Park location at 828 Cherry Street in Winter Park, Florida!
Post an s58 running 7s
Rich and richer is all I see
You do NOT have to be rich to own a supra dude lol
I’m a middle class worker making literally the median income of the country ($50k). I own a home and support my family and have no debt besides aforementioned house, a lawn mower installment plan and the car that I drive. I have savings and do ok if not amazing.
I was able to buy a low mileage (40k), high spec (port MPPSK installation, adaptive dampers, M Wheels, digital dash and HUD, etc) near-mint 2018 RWD 340i for 34k a year and a half ago. Thats a sub $400 a month payment, which is low enough that I always overpay on it to reduce the term. One of the truck driving guys at my work tried saying how I must be spending so much in my payments… when I told them how cheap it was he realized his barebones truck actually cost him more monthly.
I have put a $425 TU pump on and $300 VSRF Downpipe. I have a $500 MHD flex fuel module on my bench. When that goes on and I adjust the tune, I will have a 500whp+ sports sedan that I can put my two children into comfortably. My wife literally commented last time I drove with her in my car how nice and comfy my car is and rides (with H&R sport springs mind you). It gets well over 30mpg on my highway trip to work (unless I get caught up working over a muscle car…)
The B58 is brilliant because it’s a working man’s tuner hero. I also love the s58 and with some hard work, and patience I’ll have an s58 powered M2 in my garage as my “forever car”.
Show me an s58 in the 7's...
also a dumb argument to point out a drag focused car reigning supreme over an entire platform. 99.99% of both b58 and s58s are street cars. Dump 5k of mods into both and the s58 will be at 800whp whereas the b58, 6-650whp. Keep clinging to the 1 or 2 b58s running 7s as though that's what matters lmao. Teenage mindset.
@@NexusAbstracts You sound slow.
@@Xyros7 well thought out argument. unlike you, i own the engine in debate. you may be in high school looking to a b58 as your first car, but I'm in a g80 comp, my fourth car. there are levels to this. you have a lot to learn. im a long time bmw owner. one of the first single turbo n54s back in 2017. sit down and put your mask on in school
@@NexusAbstracts Yep, you're definitely slow... Mentally and physically.
The b58 that’s in the 7s is a fully custom built motor… I like the b58 as I’ve owned one myself , but I’m looking towards the s58 now so I could get more power without building the motor .
To me, its about making most hp, as cheaply possible.
S58 M all day
supra 400kg lighter then the m3 that is a significant chunk.
But at that power level on a manual - will be significantly slower in all but the most contrived handicap roll racing
@@MrTroytroy there a reason supra are dominating time attck racing making more power is easy reducing weight is dificult.
@@patthonsirilim5739 Australian time Attack? Last weekend WTAC 24 occurred and Supras represented 2 of the 89 competitors. (Mostly EVO’s, STI’s, Porsche’s gT86 and Nissan GTRs, Hondas etc). The Supras weren’t competitive in their classes.
@@MrTroytroy The Supras dominate street class in Gridlife and Global Time Attack in the US. The only competitors are the few C6 Z06s out there.
Reason #1 I went from F80 to J29 and not G80 is the 4000+lbs of weight
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you went from a M to a M lite, huge L
had nothing to do with the cost? Lol. It's an objectively better car in every area, even with a much heavier frame. Take both to a track in stock and modified form.
Sounds like you’ve only driven a stock G80 lol I have a G82 and it feels SO much better than my fully built evo.
@@tomalkhan7583💯💯
Why does it look like ur about to fall over but get rebalanced
Like a weeblewobble?
B58 sounds better tho
S58 > B58. B58 is still a good motor but B58 owners need to stop, thinking that it's better than the s58
I don’t think most of us do… I’d be the first to tell you an S58 is superior to my B58. Of course it is, it’s the beefed up version of the motor. That said, the B58 is a fantastic mid-level tuning platform.
I don’t think anyone thinks that. The s58 is definitely superior and beefed up. I think the hang up for a lot of people is the sound. S58 sounds terrible.
@@98ws6m6cvert there are a lot of B58 die hards who think this. Just read comments in videos and groups. I've argued with many. S58 doesn't sound too bad, a lot of s58 owners are deleting their resonators, which makes them sound like crap
@@Cali4nium I just think it sounds awful period. Doesn’t sound like it should. The b58 has a nice deep tone. The s58 is too raspy and high pitched. I can see people thinking it’s better, but mechanically that’s not the case. Drag racing wise the b58 is a good performer. The sound is why I did not buy a m3.
@@98ws6m6cvert like I said, owners remove resonators, that's why you hear the rasp and the 2nd turbo doesn't help either. You are aware G80/82s break into 9s with just an E tune? S58s hold power 'til redline. Anyone buying an i6 tt is not having the exhaust note be the deciding factor...that's what V8 guys say when they can't compete with boosted i6 or v6s lol
yea but my supra sounds so much better. the s58 sounds like ass
Sounds like someone who got gapped by an S58.
@@beardedfern just you wait til I get my forelock head gasket!
If you build a b58 motor with upgraded internals you will essentially create a s58. If the s58 installs upgraded internals it will be the upgraded b58.
Open hoods do not work on the street. A real fan box with closed hoods is necessary to get real world operating configurations.
100% b58 becausw tlyota had a say in the build lol best bmw ever built
the chief engineer did a reddit AMA and stated they hardly had any work to do because BMW made it so reliable. They pretty much signed off on what BMW presented to them. S58 owner here.
Power doesn’t mean anything. Just race them bro. This video is pointless af
Haha. Ok.
Peak power doesnt matter, but you could see the power band on the dyno graph.
B58 is King. B58 is in the 7s and has many cars going 7s. Only S58 close to 7s is RK Auto which was an 8.08. Sorry boys, you say M engines are better but forget history. I also had E92 M3 which was slow as shit and also own 2011 335is that would shit on my M3. No just cause the engine code starts with S it isn’t better 🤡 B58 IFYKYK and if ya don’t 🤣🤣
And they threw every single possible part humanly possible on that S58 and couldn’t hit 7s… lol sureeee S58 is king guys hahahaha
So many butthurt B58 owners in here.
B58 is a nice engine but the S58 is a real motorsports engine.
You do know that the GR Supra GT4 with a B58 is an actually Motorsport car? Please research before you speak.
@@mikeonawave A B58 found on your average BMW or Supra is nothing like a motorsports engine.. it's a mass produced consumer engine. Look at the design and internals of the S58 it is built for motorsports. Please understand what what a motorsport engine is before posting a stupid comment?
To be fair as an M owner myself, all the M cars are mass production cars found in damn near every variant of the bmw line up. People can literally make whatever they want as fast as they want with the wallet. M cars to me play a huge factor in the handling and suspension department. I wouldn't compare a twin turbo set up with a single turbo set up. It really comes down to what platform you want. M ISNT THE END ALL BE ALL. That's like me saying my 1000whp c7 z06 destroys my f80 m3. Different cars different engines. Just have fun with what you as the owner picks. There will always be some one faster. Stock for stock the s58 is a more powerful engine to be expected but the b58 is also very tried and true in reliability and power. I'm just glad that these cars still exist in a world heading towards EV 😢
@@patc8653 As a owner of a G42 240xi and a G82 M4 I have to say both cars are nice and unique in their own ways. And both cars are mass production cars, these are not Bugattis.
@@wingedhussar5528 Never said BMWs are like Bugatti's. Before getting my G87 M2 I had a F87 M2 Comp that I tracked heavily and had my fair share driving Supras and M340i. If you understand the kind of characteristics and build of a "motorsport" engine is like.. you would understand how different the S58 is to a B58. But of course.. anything can be built to go racing.. the S58 is just more race ready.
kids and their b58's lolo