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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
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What a chatterbox she was! 😊 I always found that customers chattering at me proved to be a great way to get distracted and make mistakes.
He will be back for some more money if said mistake happens lol
It also slows you down, and it takes more billable time
Better a happy helicopter than a complainer😊
my house built in 71 old lennox with electric heat. working fine but replaced it this spring. probably shouldn't have.
I can't believe they allow a propane tank next to the house.
BRING Back PSC motors!!! Those things go go go. Like energizer Bunny, 🐰
Back in the day, we used a file to remove rust and corrosion before we removed the motor. Now, you use wire wheel and cordless drill.
“Well that’s a big ole machine”. 😂
I’m glad my supplier usually has those modules. And in Florida, if the product has been registered that extended warranty transfers to the new owner.
She has a Tennessee accent?
Well done Curtis, and a nice friendly lady to enjoy a chat with 👍 Au
Ecm motors are a nightmare for consumers, they will never benefit from any savings if they have to purchase one.
They are easy to swap to a psc motor, cap, & relay. The communicating systems w/ 3.0 motors are a problem mostly because of the eev feedback contro) thru the board but you CAN cheat them.
A happy customer and a tech that values that!! Rare these days!!! Pay's off in spades!!!♠♠♠♠
show us more of the dogs...... love dogs........ ok, now i see......... i put a regular blower motor when my electronic blower burned up. just needed to add a 24vac relay to kick fan on, the electronic blower had its internal on/off 24vac trigger
Hey Curtis, get yerself a small magnet tray for your screws. Save you a lot of aggravation. You’ll really like it.
We have been telling Curtis for about three years now! lol
@@bobboscarato1313 He must not read all his responses, or just stubborn LOL
Also a Captain Hook brazing nozzle!
@@Gman2930 I agree with you! LOL
He has one just doesn’t use it or left it stuck on some ones machine
Man it was a hot one in Mississippi today. I was saying lord 🙏 dont let my a/c fail today. Heat index was 108. It felt like walking out into an oven last night and this morning.
They have surge protectors for X13 motors, plugs in between the motor and wiring harness.
Very nice job.
The only thing I would like to say is, since the unit has New owners, sometimes the manufacturer may say that the warranty is not transferred.
You must know Reem's policy.
I usually tell them, the part is covered upon manufacturer approval, this covers you.
I wouldn't tell rheem squat. They should make a better unit.
Ever think about keeping a large umbrella on your truck for days like this? I started packing one and w/o it I would have been fried like a strip of bacon.
Really like your videos and how you handle yourself with the customer. Very professional!
I would like to add that you have to be one of the most organized technician I’ve ever had the pleasure to watch.
Thanks
A brick built house and dog that doesn't yap.
At first I thought it was Riley but his hair is gray! lol
Nicely done, Curtis. Hopefully, Jake is taking notes on how to remove a motor 😅 no puller needed 👏
I like universal crescent wrench useful as a hammer! lol
@bobboscarato1313 Who needs a hammer when every other tool does the same job 🤣
This customer is probably gonna wonder why...to get some shade" 12:38 And the 'quiet part' out loud: "And to keep her from constantly yapping at me!"🤣🤣🤣
Hi, I missed the part where you talked about the filters.
Most ECM motors Don't like dirty filters.
The last few ECM motors I changed, had dirty filters. I'm just saying.
Hospitality is nice
I hadn't noticed that hitch before; I hope you don't bark your shins on it.
That Georgia heat really eats up some electric motors🇺🇸👊🏼👊🏼✌🏼
Another very recent ECM craps-out. I’ll keep my PSC motors thank you. Luckily for that nice lady it was still covered by manufacturer. Nice easy service call for a change Curtis, you deserved a break. And no bugs! 😂
I’ve changed at least a dozen ECMs this summer that were less than 5 years old.
It’s crazy how fast they crap out
@@ryan-pj1qr I totally believe it. Another “high efficiency” component that rarely lasts long enough to save $. I have two 40 yr old PSC motors in my system here. They have oil tubes reason they are still running smoothly. Furnace blower is on its 3rd capacitor tho. I’m not complaining. 😁
High static pressure kills those ECMs. 99% of the time after you replace a dead ECM the static pressure will be off the chart for one reason or another. The ones that aren't killed by static pressure are killed by power issues.
I think you are correct. I believe that they aren't ready for common field service and just can't hang with demands of operation that are heavy. a unit that don't run often is good for them lasting.
@@danwesten2771 Just like any equipment it's supposed to be installed and work within it's design limits. Higher static will require a higher HP motor to maintain the correct airflow, be that PSC, ECM, etc. It's just an ECM will die trying to maintain that airflow. PSC will just move less air and run a bit hotter.
@@TofuInc yip all true indeed.
Those motor's are great when they work.If you can get module's is good. work Curtis. from Philly.
Thanks
Great job troubleshooting and repair chatty Cathy and all thanks for the video
I just love to hear a woman talking makes me feel good
That is an awesome shirt, where can I buy one of those at?
Have you thought of putting in a surge protector on the disconnect or one of the inline surge protectors you put directly into the ECM motor? Rectorseal has them and some of the new Rescue motors are shipping with them also. Just something to think about.
LOL... Every Job I go on when a woman is at home I get a constant stream of every story about every subject in her head. And you can only nod, and say ...wow, or too bad, or that's good, until the end of the call. It doesn't bother me. Its just funny, because it happens every time the lady of the house is home. EVERY time.
@@donaldwood9187 Yes you get the family drama and details. I laughed when she looked at the blower “wow that’s big” 🤣.
Lol, have you got a variety of stock responses like "you don't say! " "well now," and the always suitable "just goes to show, y'never can tell" ?
So damn true. Lady was telling about her dog's battle with depression, how her daughter is in grad school, etc. just hand me your credit card so I can collect payment!
It will take more time to complete the task so you can charge more $$$ .! LOL
She should write country songs
Dog don't yap but the homeowner does
ohh, yep it has the low on charge or starving for gas compressor into a vacuum sound. scrolls tend to do that well above 0 psi out at the service port, but internally they're hitting a vacuum in the scrolls. running too long like that, lacks lubrication and cooling, which overheats and galls the scrolls. often that means game over soon after.
Great job,Curtis!
Thanks!
I get lonely on service calls. I wish customers talked to me more often!
Pressures look good for R-410, but you have app set for R-22, which made temperatures look wrong.
fantastic, professional and courteous
Nice work Curtis. Be careful in the heat.
Man what a chatter box!!😂😂
Watching your channel helps me to slow down when troubleshooting and performing maintenance on my job. Thanks again!
I've got just under 4yr old Trane & blower motor needed replacing. Makes me worry if it's going to be a regular problem. 1st time warranty except labor isn't cheap but next one will be very expensive. ☹️ I wish I had old single speed blower.
That burp got all over my phone 😮😮
I liked the fart, when he got up to check thermostat
26:36 lol
@@rockydenis1457 I call them Grunt Farts....
Been in the trade for over 25 years. The problem with ECM motors.
BAD DUCTWORK!!!!! Or customers closing vents blocking vents and never changing the filter. Period! High static high amperage bye bye motor.
5 years max! Very easy to understand!
12:35 shade and some peace & quiet 😂
Having the ECM module built into the motor is utter engineering stupidity. It's equally as stupid as if they to started building run caps hermetically sealed into compressors. The way it is , it's a colossal waste of labor as well as copper , steel and rare earth magnet elements that get junked when a perfectly good mechanical assembly is scrapped due to an electronics failure.
Greedy manufacturers want to force folks to buy costly entire replacement motors after warranty ends, but given the stupidity and especially given the egregious waste of scarce neodymium used to make the magnets., motor manufacturers should be legally forced to offer the standalone module (which really is a mini VFD) , and the design must facilitate servicing the electronics module without requiring the completely unnecessary removal of the mechanical three phase motor assembly.
Those modules are replaceable. But, my supplier will only sell entire motor.
@@HVACGUY that's too bad. do they say why? shame if it's just a profit thing..
I am a little surprised that what looks like a propane tank set right next to the building. Where I live they have to be 50 feet from any structure. Those motors with ECM's can be a real problem. The manufacturers need to come up with something different.
I agree on both points. Personally I have no use for an ECM in anything. Additionally that’s a pretty small tank compared to the 500 gallon I used to have.
Most places only require that if its above 100 gallon capacity at least that's the way it is where i am at
@@captainron7904that makes sense if not needed for heating, especially in the South. I’m near Chicago, that tiny tank would not supply a furnace for too long, even worse in sub-zero when the tank pressure drops way down.
According to the NFPA Appendix I data sheet:
I've seen here in Texas with propane tanks are only 25 feet away!
9 out of every 10 ECM blower motors fail prematurely due to high static pressure.
And due to the sloppy installs and sales up sizing units on small ducts, it's a problem I don't see going away. People need to be checking static on every service. But then again that's preventative and doesn't turn into revenue... 🙃
What is high static pressure? What causes that. Thanks for any info..
EMC motors are supposed to eliminate high static pressure and they cost a lot more money as well.- High Static Pressure can be caused by restricted filters, undersized ductwork, too many supply grilles closed shut. I've seen them all.-
@@bobboscarato1313 The only way to reduce static pressure is to remove the restriction. ECM motor cannot eliminate static pressure, they can only compensate for it, but they do it at a cost.
@bobboscarato1313 that is the absolute most incorrect statement in the history of HVAC!!!
Curtis is over there because there is some quiet :)
Great job !
Does this Mean Every 4 Years this Lady's Going to be Putting a New Motor in this unit ?
Probably. It’s amazing this is a known issue and apparently nothing is being done to improve the quality.
I have a 32 year old Bard furnace that has pretty much everything original,
More than like if they gave him the same era ECM motor with the faulty $2 electronic part inside. There are other makes of ECM's that have decent modules on them. Gentec brand is not good unless its the newer version "Evergreen".
@@Garth2011 i do refrigeration so i don't see the Ecm's Failing But i did install a carrier roof top gas pak in 2016
and i assume its got a ecm in the blower compartment & it's still blowing ok. it's 8 years old.
Thanks for that info. 😎🛶🎣
@@LouisS-cs7bh that's terrible. thanks for info. 😎🛶🎣
My favorite videos are when Mom says hi
Curtis, I dont mean to be rude.. but you're gonna make the FCC mad if they catch you using the EAS tone. They're very picky about that sort of stuff .
She sounds very nice
Typical ECM module. They should recall all of them and put in the upgraded ECM's. Nice to work on new stuff, clean and not cannibalized by other HVAC.
Smokin hot down your way ! You got that one up and running in good time! Another happy customer 😅
"...the metal roof shoukd have increaased the property value"
Yeah, along with the property tax increase for the higher assed value...
I’m starting to wonder if it is always a fan motor failure.
Curtis did you get tired of the mct 😂bag I'm paying attention of your tools my friend haha good job as always have a nice weekend
Just a change
Yes. Curtis I remember you used to carry a Veto back pack tool bag. How do you like this tool tote? Is it better for you? Great video too.
Sad day when a motor only lasts 4 years when I had a 1970 ac last 40 years.
That customer needs a talking buddy... too much time home alone... :) btw it is ridiculous that a blower motor goes bad after 4 years... old systems run 20 years with the same blower... but I get it... it has a electronic board that saves 50 bucks of electricity a year...
Curtis what I really appreciate about your videos is you are so organized and systematic with every job I worked like that. It was in seventies through the nineties that I worked in the HVAC field it's much different now most all the units were janitrol rheem and trane I'm how many of your followers worked on the Trane units the freon connections at compressor were bolt on the line was flared hated them easy on compressor replacement but of course sometimes they would leak very slowly but enough that when it was start up season we would have maybe thirty calls for about a week I worked there for one year I did multi family housing for sixteen years anyways just curious thanks
Good job Curtis! Hey, what happened to your portable work bench/table?
Yes, seems that the workbench with an umbrella idea makes life less uncomfortable which lends to a more proficient disassembly and reassembly.
Was that Pregnant Lady Flirting with you ? 😬👍
Could the high rate of failure of the newer ecm controlled blowers be due to transient voltages or high/low voltage? Didn’t know if these units have surge protectors or if a buck/boost converter could help make these units last longer?
Great job Curtis. Do you offer surge protection option with the new motor?
maytag units have been a big problem for me and my company.
omg lady go away let me do my job lol!
Having a whole house surge suppressor installed would stop most of these type of failures. The ECMs do not tolerate voltage spikes well at all.
Not changing air filter and creating higher static is right up there as number one cause.
Whole house surge suppressors have their own set of problems. Why don't the manufacturer just install a surge suppression device in the unit to protect the all the electronics inside.
Good job Curtis! Hey, what happened to your portable work bench/table?
I have had a Duke Energy whole house surge protector for approximately ten years and not a problem to date.
Had I not had one I'm certain that I would have had to replace failed electrical appliance parts/devices that are sensitive to voltage spikes primarily due to thunderstorms.
Florida is the "Lightning Capital" ...so they say.
@@grandinosour Because they wouldn't sell new parts or equipment again!
X13 or newer design, 10 year warr?
It’s a Rheem that’s why it’s broken
Did they update the motor or is this going to be a reoccurring problem? I’m a Rheem dealer knock on wood I haven’t had any problems with motors yet.
Another fine job Curtis. I only have one critique. When changing out a blower motor; I would always clean the blower assembly. Maybe I'm anal. But I wanted to make the blower assembly look like it just came off the showroom floor. I also put a little dab of anti seize on the shaft for the next guy.
Liquid wrench is better than pbblaster.
Good job Curtis. Where did you get that shirt? I need one or two of those.
LOOK LADY..I SAW COUGAR TOWN...😝😝
What a surprise, another X13 motor in a Rheem/Ruud pkg unit is no good. I honestly would like to know what kills those modules. Is it static pressure, a power surge or a poor design. I've replaced a bunch of those modules in the 6 years I've been here in NC.
Hey Chris, if you wear light colored shirts it will keep you cooler.
was that a 1/2 hp ecm motor? I have alot of them going in five years or less
So basically everything was running except the blower? And all you do is check the terminals and of theres incoming voltage to the blower and it's not running, you replace the whole blower??
Electric motors made to-day are garbage, I have a single phase 220v 2-hp Century repulsion induction start motor, made in 1927 in ST Louis, in daily use, the motor alone weighs 290 pounds! It's heavy cast iron copper and bronze, and it has oil reservoirs and a grease cup
shes a yapper! Good vid
OMG The talking Backpack! Lady let me think!! Labor doubled!!
LOL... exactly!!
@@jkmarshall3553 If she was HOTT differant story
@@jkmarshall3553 Yep! lol
Hi Curtis, I was just wondering why are you parked so far away from your work not just on this job but other jobs as well. Just wondering why signing out Tallahassee bread know that Fred OK good
Hi courtis 🤙🏽
Hello
Come on Curt, don't tease us with the labor price then not letting us hear it.
Helicopter alert 😂
So you just happen to have one in your truck for warranty?
No. Had to go get it.
Curtis, is the base Marine Corps Logistics Base, Albany GA?
They never say the price on video so we don't know if they're crooks or not
Don't you go by the installation date vs the manufacture date regarding the warranty?
i realy hate that insulation cause they say fiber glass or any fine fiber you breathin can cause lung problems, an that get directly in the fan an your air, they need to fine a better way to insulate so this dont happen
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Chatty Cathy
Helicopter
She's in loooove lol
@@MichaelP-ns Yeah she lonely. she needs some "duct work"
She's the equivalent of a fleet of 6 choppers! lol
You need to carry a sock in your back pocket. What for you ask???? to put in the homeowner's mouth is what.
L.O.L! U funny...
Does she ever shut up! Very distracting
1st let’s go