I'm not surprised to see Dying Light 2 make this list. I can only hope that open world games will stop being endless filler with 10 hours of meaningful content throw in just for good measure.
They won't, sadly. Casuals love these braindead open world grinds and telling you about their stupid dollar per hour ratios. Just as annoying as indies spamming 2D pixelvomit roguelikes to avoid level and 3D design
@@xNachtmahRx I don't think casuals are talking about dollar per hour ratios, they are too busy playing fifa or a battle royale to bother finishing a game.
I have a theory. Many games that have endings upon endings, require a ton of playthroughs to get everything and are just all around grindy are made for people with no budget. I use to greatly love those kinds of games back when I had to wait for a birthday for a new game. Once I got my own income, I wasn't forced to wait so I didn't need something that would last and my tastes changed. Maybe that is just my experience but it seems to work out it my head.
Dragon Age: Inquisition. In my youth I was naive in thinking that achievements was a way to gauge how much of the experience you witnessed. What I didn't understand was the vast amount of padding I had to suffer through. One of the few games I just put down and never finished and sadly I am not in the slightest hyped for the sequel.
That may be one of the reasons I liked DA:I the least in the series. I slowly 100% Origins and 2 over the years, but I decided to 100% Inquisition on my first playthrough.
It's a shame because IMO the actual "main" content for Inquisition is some of the best Bioware has put out. 90% of the side content being fetch quests and repeatable gathering timesinks was such a dumb decision. Holding out hope that the MMO-ification in Dreadwolf will be nonexistant. They're up against the wall rn after Anthem and ME's recent flops..
This game almost cured of my completionist compulsion (quests, not achievements, I'm not THAT crazy) but I still did all the riddler's trophies in 2 arkham games so I'm not out of the woods yet ^^
I remember platinuming all the Arkham series on the PS3. It was exhausting and mind numbing by the end and I never try to do it ever again. Some games are fun enough to naturally complete others are just not worth wasting the time, especially when there are no incentives. That being said, kudos to you for making 100% your stand out feature as youtuber, I cannot imagine how exhausting it can get if its a game you are not really enjoying but have to for the sake of your content.
I disagree, if devs are gonna litter the map with collectibles then Arkham is the way to do it. Lots of the collectibles in those games (maybe not the first one) requires you to interact with the world in some way, usually by solving some small puzzle. That is a massive improvement over the lame Ubisoft approach of just "go there and pick it up" x100.
@@danieledstrom5777 it was the collectables that burnt me out so much as those gliding challenges. Those were the worst. Some of them you had to do at the very end.
The makers of Ghostwire Tokyo could make some extra $$$ by licensing or selling the beautiful world they created to Sega for a new Yakuza installment. Ichiban or Kiryu could use some new stomping grounds.
I rarely 100% games as I've had enough by the time I've finished the main experience. Worst to 100% are the ones where you have to collect pointless crap for the sake of getting an achievement.
Collect-a-thon games should have died in the PS1/N64 era . MAYBE 3D platform games could keep collection goals, but every other game should outright ban them... especially games like GTA
How about civ 5 ? you need to win with every faction and there are about 40 of them with the complete edition, and play probably several times some factions for their specific achievement
Anything with multiplayer achievements for me. I've stopped trying with my XCOM 2 grind after realizing there was a multiplayer achievement and did not want to end up with one missing in the end.
@@shawngillogly6873 sounds like you need to get good. There’s a difference between having multiplayer achievements and having moronic achievements like “20,000 kills”. That’s trying to get people play the game for monetization
@@toptiertech7291 what a weird argument... im definitely not bad at multiplayer games, id even say quite good, but if im trying to go for 100% achivements on a game, having some bullshit multiplayer achievements is annoying.... it has very little to do with being good
Trying to complete every single objective usually leads to a burnout for me, and I drop the game halfway through. The only recent game I had a lot of fun 100%'ing was Elden Ring. In the end it has to be that you 100% because you enjoy the gameplay, and not that you're forcing yourself to do some in-game chore for the sake of a checklist.
100% agree, i stopped fully completing games because i didn't enjoy it but with games like elden ring the gameplay and exploration itself are enjoyable which is why i try to do everything because you know you can find something intersting like a piece of equipment, a boss , something you need for a quest...etc It also helps that the devs actually try to make the world and its locations interesting ( with some limitations since there is repetition) unlike a ubisoft style open world which is just a giant checkpist
I think triangle strategy is best played with one playthrough where you make your own decisions, and then one route where you follow a guide for the golden path. Then, just look up the other endings. I did that, and it came out to 105 hours. I think that's the optimal amount of content to get the full experience without getting too burnt out. Becaise your second playthrough keeps all the stats and levels, and then you can finally hit higher levels for some truly powerful abilities that weren't available first playthrough. It's a truly phenomenal game.
@rickpani9658 my favorite way to grind was with the exp accessory. It made it so you got at least 1 exp instead of zero on missions too low level. And then at least one on every kudo point earned. So equip it to someone and then just have fun being a God on the battle field for a few fights. That was enough to get some levels, and then do it again with a different charqcter.
I dont know why people feel forced to see all the endings instantly. When i buy a game and it is good i know i will play it again at some point. In this case i just go for another ending a year or whatever later.
To be honest I think this applies to most bigger games. Most trophy/achievement lists end up having some crappy collectible trophy where you just end up wandering around for hours picking stuff up off the floor.
My rule of thumb is to NEVER 100% a game, unless the game truly earns it, for instance, I have NEVER in my life 100% completed a GTA game, despite replaying them so many times I actually know them from memory. Collectibles and side content are there only for those who truly want to dedicate themselves to it, it's optional, this is why so many get burned out or tired of big open world games or very long games, they're convinced they gotta do everything to make their purchase worth it, when in reality they really don't have to. Amazing video!
The last game I 100% (well, 100% Steam achievements) was Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order. I completed it all in Normal mode. I never bothered with NG+ but there's no achievements for NG+, so no need for me to try it. Previous game I got close to 100% was Deliver us the Moon. I only have one achievement to get for that.
Well if you dont do the extra boring time killer stuff then you don’t get your moneys worth. For example. Spider-Man Miles Morales came out at $49.99. On normal I beat the main story in a little under 8 hours. That’s not worth $50. At all. But I shouldn’t have to deliver pizzas or collect 200 of something to get a 10-15 hour story. Especially if there’s no multiplayer or DLC
@@toptiertech7291 Then don't deliver pizzas, do the story, fight some crime, then when you're ready to wrap up move on to something else, you get even more mileage out of games like that by replaying them. If I can make it to the credits while having a fun time and only doing some side content if I felt like it, then I got my money's worth and more. Like I said with my GTA example, I have played those games past the point of knowing them from memory because that's how fun they are even if I ignore all the worthless filler content.
Triangle Strategy is so nearly a great game to 100%. The second playthrough is incredible when you can get to max level and unlock the rarest stuff, but that third playthrough is so pointless with no progression or interesting changes.
The gold standard for open world is still Witcher 3. Every location has some sort of meaningful interaction with it, often through an excellent side-quest (IMHO many of the side-quests in that game are better than the main quest).
I decided to risk it all and take the golden path on triangle strategy my first run since I didn't really want to do another playthough and that difficulty spike for the final few battles was monstrous. Might have been impossible if I hadn't done a ridiculous amount of mock battles throughout the story for gear/money.
I got my first fortress in Shadow of War and when 3 more pop up my gut reaction was exhaustion. Is there a point on completing all of them or is it doing the same process 3 more times?
I think the last game I did this for was Dragon Age: Origins. Never again. It's been over a decade and I still haven't recovered. I find it incredibly difficult now to stick with an RPG game all the way through to completion. I'm sure it has nothing to do with having kids and being out of college 😆
I completed it once as a Dwarf Noble about 10 years ago. Now I've started a new playhtough as a Human Noble and plan to finish it. You do get to learn about the motivations of some characters more with the various Origins, so it definitely has a replay value. It's far less grindy and unplayable as a lot of other games. It's not even as long as some of them.
I am very happy that players like you exist and I admire those that work hard to do everything in a game - because I struggle to just finish a game, so 💯 is never something I worry about.
A game I absolutely love but will never 100%: FTL. I play this game daily, but so many of the achievements just strike me as not just difficult, but pointless (such as making it to sector 8 without buying ship upgrades) - and that's ignoring the RNG-based achievements such as the crystal sector.
Dying Light 2 is a lot easier to 100% than you think. None of the endings have any specific achievements or gameplay rewards and you can 100% the game in 1 playthrough and theres only about 40 "ubisoft open world activities) and they only take about 5-10 minutes each.
While I haven't and will never get all achievements for it, I have done multiple 100% playthroughs of Rise of the Tomb Raider I just love playing that game
Want to add to the list , like the Completionist found out , Dead Cells . Good game , but fully competing it is , , not advised. At least intentionally.
Totally agreed on Triangle Strategy. The game is fun at the 1st and 2nd playthrough for me. The problem is, your most characters will reach max level by the end of the second playthrough, and those who won't are just too boring or weak. Storywise, you'll see most content just playing twice. It seems like the producers expected you to beat the game 4 times, but only made 2 playthroughs' worth.
I'd say for me doing the triangle strategy 100% I changed the gameplay experience per fun by swapping out my team whenever possible using batteries like Julio or Medina is great and all but swapping out your team to lets say worse units kept it fresh
Thanks for the tip on dying light 2 because it's in my backlog. While I don't 100% games, I do meticulously explore every inch of a map, and if the world is lack luster then I tend to get bored and won't finish the game. So dying light 2 priority is now main missions, side missions and peace out.
I’d also add Persona 5 Royal. Not because it’s a bad game, far from it! P5R is one of the best JRPGs ever made! I would say don’t 100% because there. Is. So. Much. Content!
I liked hearing your thoughts. I go for 100% achievements in most games - which I know is frequently less than the true 100% content like you do. The process of people doing 100% is interesting to me. I would love to see you do a video about games where the process of going for 100% improved the game experience for you. For me, there's probably fewer than ten games I've played where that was true, broken into a couple of categories. 1) Strategy games where the other achievements forced me to try different play styles. 2) Narrative RPGs/visual novels where all the paths/routes only present a fraction of the story and it doesn't come together until playing all of them.
As someone slogging through a 2nd run of Midnight Suns to max Dark and get the platinum I 100% agree. I loved my first playthrough and while the story and writing isn't great I had a lot of fun with the combat. At this point though I'm over it , but I only need one trophy for the platinum so it's hard to put it down knowing that.
Morty - thank you so much for making this! Just wanted to give you a ton of kudos for having the conversation in the comments around this stuff. It's so damn cool to know that you've been listening and then coming back to us with your thoughts on everything. Not saying we expect you to always do this, nor should you ever feel obligated to (it's your channel!) but it's cool as hell that you engage and listen to the community. 5/5 Would like and subscribe again.Lol
Back in X360 era usually skipped multiplayer (or requiring other players) and absurd grind achievements. On PC sometimes grind can be solved with Cheat Engine. It's not like someone call the police or whatever...
You mentioned it for dying light 2, but ghostwire Tokyo also suffer from the "AAA Ubisoft open world games syndrome". A big map filled with many things to do... Most being definitely pointless.
Honestly, I've never done multiple playthroughs of any game, except for Gothic and ARPGs like Grim Dawn. Usually, by the time the ending rolls around, I'm itching to finish and move on.
As someone who pretty much always 100% games, including some really exhausting platinums like the Yakuza series and the Batman games (Riddler trophies, ugh), the "secret" is to go through the boring stuff (grinding, collectibles, etc) as you play through the actual game, not after. If you play it normally and only after finishing it you try to 100% it, you'll get bored quickly since the fun stuff will be mostly over. Taking breaks from the main story or even sidequests to get some of the boring stuff out of whe way makes the end game clean up much easier on the player.
Ironically, I would say Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. Mythic Paths like Swarm, Devil and Gold Dragon are late game and doesn't have much content. So a whole 3 playthroughs for that is too much imo. The trophy list is also a pain. Just enjoy the game instead, definitely high replay value but not for those paths imo
Playing Midnight Suns now and what you said about "doing something I really enjoy, followed by something I really didn't wanna do" resonates a lot with me as I feel the same way now. No chance I'll be 100% this game if it means spending any more time than absolutely necessary on the silly friendship simulator.
I just finished dying light 2 last week and honestly - I hit a point where I was like ‘I refuse to do all these side quests and random things’. The story was also… well yes. I did dump lots of time into the parkour challenges - which is probably the only good thing about the game
Dark Souls 2: SotFS is also I game I wouldn't recommend to 100% (Platinum trophy). The game is alright and fun if you complete everything in New game (including the DLCS). Move on to NG+ and NG++ however, and everything becomes a tedious grind to get that Platinum trophy. The already convoluted map filled with gank squads are even more frustrating cuz of the additional mobs that come with starting NG+ and NG++. Yeah, it's a game I really won't recommend 100 percenting even if people have played and 100 percented other Souls-like games before. 100% DS2: SotFS is just scarring experience.
100%ing games seems like masochism to me. I play till I stop having fun, then I stop playing. I'm not going to force myself to keep playing a game that's gone stale or boring. It sounds like "obsessive compulsive disease" (OCD) where people feel compelled to do something even though they don't really enjoy it. DL2 just wasn't that good. DL1 wasn't perfect but, the combination of combat and exploration kept it interesting. I didn't even finish DL2 much less 100% it. One problem with DL2 is that almost no one was likable. In DL1, I didn't hate everyone like I did in DL2. It was a world populated by assholes.
My problem is I cant not 100%... I can miss something, yes, but if I see a quest I have to do it, I have to go to every corner of the map, I have to speak with everyone... This is why I like when games got some non linear elements at least like lets say Mass Effect or W3, what I mean is you can play very different Shepard or Geralt, so there is a room for second play, not to mention bigger choices in ME and Witcher games ofc, W2 for example had almost 30% of the game hidden behind a choice :) Games like Midnight Suns you need to play 100% or as much as possible, this game is very linear story experience, I spent 76 hours in it, did almost everything, all friendships, all cards, 90% achievements. I liked it but its got 0 reason to play so called NG+, I spoke with everyone already, I know full story and side stories, if I want simply fights I can load my after-ending save game and just fight with all characters and all cards available. A bit sad really, usually Firaxis makes games in which you can play hundreds of hours... like Xcom, it also got linear story, but much more replayability, not even talking about Civilization... its thousands of hours. But why not I guess, Suns are simply good linear story card game, I just hope we will see Xcom 3 or Civ 7 soon, this year perhaps.
I recently 100% Sunset Overdrive and it's a really fun time but around the 75% mark I was so burnt out because there's just so many goddamn collectibles. Roughly 600 from what I can remember. So I spent 5-10 hours doing menial tasks and busy work not having a single drop of fun.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I think Spider Man for PS4 was fun to 100%. It's still a collectathon, but traversal is such a joy, that I found myself in out of the way places where collectables were anyway.
I'd like to say that I don't agree with you on Marvel Midnight Suns. Not because the friendship simulator part didn't suck for me, it did, but because after playing through it once you can start a new game+ to do the 100%. In a new game+ you keep the friendship levels from your previous game so it is way less annoying.
"Which I then get paid for" Ans my mom said you can't get paid for playing video games! /S Honestly that's super awesome and I give you a lot of kudos for doing someone you enjoy for a living.
Dying Light hurts to see. I waited so long when I was younger because I couldn’t afford the 1st one. Now that I have I have my own income. It pained me to just enjoy the experience for the first 10 hours and than just feel … dry. I was heartbroken.
I only ever 100% games I enjoy, but even then I'm not anal about it. I never 100%ed witcher 3 despite playing a few dozen times, mainly because I never got all the gwent cards on one playthrough
Any Yakuza game... okay, some of the newer ones aren't too grindy, but that way leads to madness. I just finished Ghostwire and I couldn't see the point of snagging all the ghosts.
Tried to plat dying light 2 but the game can bug out so much and stop you getting collectibles and bases to count as achieved. Some of the fixes for these bugs don't always work and you got to find a guide following it just to make sure the bug doesn't happen on a new game. even that has a chance to not work. Nothing worse then getting into the mood of grinding out collectibles to find out it can bug. Big horror fan so I 100% Ghostwire hoping there was a big surprise. KK a real one, wished there was more stuff to do around his group.
Absolutely agree on dying light 2. I was so disappointed with the game. So much grindey, time wasting filler ....and then the ending I got absolutely sucked.
I platinum hunt and I can promise that 100 percenting a lot of games ruins the experience when you should have set them down. Dying light 2 is definitely one of them and imagine putting 130 hours doing every side mission because collectibles are missables and saving all you upgrades on health and stamina till you can max one stat fully so you can save scum to do the other and the. 50 hours in finally get to play with health and stamina. Leaving your game on for 36hrs over 4 different nights to have your character run in circles because you have to run an excessive distance and only run because it only counts that movement to get to 98 percent of trophies just to have a pretty basic trophy glitch and waiting and checking every update to run these trials again for the true night runner trophy to find out they say it's fixed and it's not. Joining a group on Reddit to try and fix it just to wait again for techland to fix it. Besides that it wasnt bad I was enjoying it the first even 70 hours
i dont even think ive ever completed 20% of any elder scrolls, fallout or GTA game. every single time i play them, ill be like 'i wonder whats around that corner' and then get sidetracked for 4 hours.
You can add XBC3 into this list, funnily enough. By the nature of the story and how things go, most of the sidequests are somewhere between completely pointless to largely a waste of time. You spend hours and hours setting up relationships and systems/distributions that just straight up become irrelevant due to the plot. When you see where the story’s going it becomes clear not to invest yourself in this stuff.
Totally agreed with Triangle Strategy. While the gameplay is fun and the story is great, to playthrough 4 times for all the characters and endings is just too much. Tactics Ogre did a much better job in that regard.
Triangle Strategy really should of just been 1 route (I got all endings, characters and skills). I get you wanted it to feel like Tactics Ogre but the game wanting most people to see most of the content made the routes seem like a forced last minute addition.
I never %100 games, I just never had the time to do that and usually you don't unlock anything interesting like a new character or something so I don't bother with it.
hard disagree on midnight suns but i enjoy persona series AND marvel comics (not the mcu) so it tickled me feathers in all the right ways (albeit the fren sim was a bit basic).
Dying light 2 is such a tragedy. I played at launch and while the base game is okay, I felt it didn’t quite live up to its hype. And it certainly toned things down so much at night time that it’s lost all of its sense of danger that DL1 had at night.
Ghostwire bummed me out so much, so pretty and some neat ideas but it needed to be like, a 5-8 hour linear shooter with the content it had. Spread way too thin on that open world.
Worst part about "Triangle strategy" is that you can't get "best" ending in first playtrough. Rigged voting system in crucial part of the game just prevents you from achieving that.
You can get it on the first run its just difficult, but you probably wouldnt want too as its best done once you have most of the path exclusive characters recruited in NG+
I wish I could just switch achievements off and enjoy the game experience without notifications interrupting it. The gameplay alone should provide enough satisfaction without cheap dopamine boosts in the form of achievement badge collecting.
I agree about Valkyrie Elysium despite really liking the game. Mostly for the reason of getting each weapon to S rank as it literally does nothing for the stats of the weapon or the character, it’s strictly for the trophy/achievement and takes ages to grind. I’m playing Triangle Strategy now and have really been debating about multiple playthroughs even though I’m loving it. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
I just can't go through some trophies or achievements,i do actively seek games that i will have fun 100% but for example i was disappointed with the Elex one because i would love to do all three play throughs for the three main factions but for example 50 pick locks and 100 hacks felt opposite of 100%
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen is a really fun game with most of the trophies being things you'll naturally do over the course of a play through. I did get the platinum for Bloodborne last month actually. I finally decided to do the chalice dungeons and fight that one boss. Pretty good boss fight, would recommend. Nioh is another of my favorites games. Overall was very fun to platinum, but a couple of the hidden trophies were annoying by not being things you naturally do. Currently working up the courage to play Dead Space 1 and 2 on the highest difficulty for those trophies, and also try to platinum a Dark Souls game.
Call me crazy, but I absolutely loved getting 100% ghostwire tokyo. But then again I love Tokyo so I might be super biased. my don't 100 percent would be The Witcher 3 ( my 2nd all time favourite game) , sone trophies were very stupid, ac Valhalla, kingdoms of amalu re reckoning and by far , nr 1 shadow of mordor, the most frustrating platinum I've ever done. This is coming from someone who platinumed all from software games on every platform I own, ps3,4,5 and PC ( also although from soft were quite hard, none were really frustrating)
I'm not surprised to see Dying Light 2 make this list. I can only hope that open world games will stop being endless filler with 10 hours of meaningful content throw in just for good measure.
They won't, sadly. Casuals love these braindead open world grinds and telling you about their stupid dollar per hour ratios. Just as annoying as indies spamming 2D pixelvomit roguelikes to avoid level and 3D design
That's pretty much the definition of an open world game...
@@xNachtmahRx Wtf does being 2d have to do with avoiding level design? You try to act elite calling others casuals and yet you say shit like this…
@@xNachtmahRx I don't think casuals are talking about dollar per hour ratios, they are too busy playing fifa or a battle royale to bother finishing a game.
@@xNachtmahRx what casual is doing dollar/hour calculations to justify their two purchases a year?
I have a theory. Many games that have endings upon endings, require a ton of playthroughs to get everything and are just all around grindy are made for people with no budget. I use to greatly love those kinds of games back when I had to wait for a birthday for a new game. Once I got my own income, I wasn't forced to wait so I didn't need something that would last and my tastes changed. Maybe that is just my experience but it seems to work out it my head.
dude this was a great way to explain it..
Dragon Age: Inquisition. In my youth I was naive in thinking that achievements was a way to gauge how much of the experience you witnessed. What I didn't understand was the vast amount of padding I had to suffer through. One of the few games I just put down and never finished and sadly I am not in the slightest hyped for the sequel.
That may be one of the reasons I liked DA:I the least in the series. I slowly 100% Origins and 2 over the years, but I decided to 100% Inquisition on my first playthrough.
It's a shame because IMO the actual "main" content for Inquisition is some of the best Bioware has put out. 90% of the side content being fetch quests and repeatable gathering timesinks was such a dumb decision. Holding out hope that the MMO-ification in Dreadwolf will be nonexistant. They're up against the wall rn after Anthem and ME's recent flops..
This game almost cured of my completionist compulsion (quests, not achievements, I'm not THAT crazy) but I still did all the riddler's trophies in 2 arkham games so I'm not out of the woods yet ^^
It sucks because Inquisition was an amazing 30-40 hour game trapped in the body of an 80 hour slogfest. The Bioware-does-Ubisoft era is so sad.
I would say Inquisition is a game that should be finished. Because the narrative is good. But the side content? I agree. Tedium.
I remember platinuming all the Arkham series on the PS3. It was exhausting and mind numbing by the end and I never try to do it ever again. Some games are fun enough to naturally complete others are just not worth wasting the time, especially when there are no incentives. That being said, kudos to you for making 100% your stand out feature as youtuber, I cannot imagine how exhausting it can get if its a game you are not really enjoying but have to for the sake of your content.
I disagree, if devs are gonna litter the map with collectibles then Arkham is the way to do it. Lots of the collectibles in those games (maybe not the first one) requires you to interact with the world in some way, usually by solving some small puzzle. That is a massive improvement over the lame Ubisoft approach of just "go there and pick it up" x100.
@@danieledstrom5777 it was the collectables that burnt me out so much as those gliding challenges. Those were the worst. Some of them you had to do at the very end.
It's the DLC of the Arkham games that broke me. Arkham Knight was the one I gave up on
@@danieledstrom5777 collectibles were fun, but getting all achievements require going through all combat/predator challenges on all characters
@@danieledstrom5777 Alright but unlocking Riddler trophies to beat his side missions were hell!
The makers of Ghostwire Tokyo could make some extra $$$ by licensing or selling the beautiful world they created to Sega for a new Yakuza installment.
Ichiban or Kiryu could use some new stomping grounds.
I rarely 100% games as I've had enough by the time I've finished the main experience. Worst to 100% are the ones where you have to collect pointless crap for the sake of getting an achievement.
Collect-a-thon games should have died in the PS1/N64 era . MAYBE 3D platform games could keep collection goals, but every other game should outright ban them... especially games like GTA
@Vile Disturbance 🇷🇺 Indeed it can be part of the gameplay loop and that's a different matter entirely.
I got one for ya...Total War Warhammer 3.
Pffffft :p
As a TW newb, I heard that TW:W3 had a fulfilling tutorial. Wowz I was looking forward to it. But it seems maybe I shouldn’t play your game?
How about civ 5 ? you need to win with every faction and there are about 40 of them with the complete edition, and play probably several times some factions for their specific achievement
@@lunarbound9975 No the game is great but 100%ing it is ridiculous.
I didn't even know completing a total war was a thing. Damn.
Anything with multiplayer achievements for me. I've stopped trying with my XCOM 2 grind after realizing there was a multiplayer achievement and did not want to end up with one missing in the end.
Online or MP achievements are assurance that I will not 100% a game.
@@shawngillogly6873 sounds like you need to get good. There’s a difference between having multiplayer achievements and having moronic achievements like “20,000 kills”. That’s trying to get people play the game for monetization
@@toptiertech7291 what a weird argument... im definitely not bad at multiplayer games, id even say quite good, but if im trying to go for 100% achivements on a game, having some bullshit multiplayer achievements is annoying.... it has very little to do with being good
Trying to complete every single objective usually leads to a burnout for me, and I drop the game halfway through. The only recent game I had a lot of fun 100%'ing was Elden Ring.
In the end it has to be that you 100% because you enjoy the gameplay, and not that you're forcing yourself to do some in-game chore for the sake of a checklist.
100% agree, i stopped fully completing games because i didn't enjoy it but with games like elden ring the gameplay and exploration itself are enjoyable which is why i try to do everything because you know you can find something intersting like a piece of equipment, a boss , something you need for a quest...etc
It also helps that the devs actually try to make the world and its locations interesting ( with some limitations since there is repetition) unlike a ubisoft style open world which is just a giant checkpist
I think triangle strategy is best played with one playthrough where you make your own decisions, and then one route where you follow a guide for the golden path. Then, just look up the other endings. I did that, and it came out to 105 hours. I think that's the optimal amount of content to get the full experience without getting too burnt out. Becaise your second playthrough keeps all the stats and levels, and then you can finally hit higher levels for some truly powerful abilities that weren't available first playthrough. It's a truly phenomenal game.
They just needed more variety in the grind. You had to replay the same map when trying to level up over and over and over again
@rickpani9658 my favorite way to grind was with the exp accessory. It made it so you got at least 1 exp instead of zero on missions too low level. And then at least one on every kudo point earned. So equip it to someone and then just have fun being a God on the battle field for a few fights. That was enough to get some levels, and then do it again with a different charqcter.
I dont know why people feel forced to see all the endings instantly. When i buy a game and it is good i know i will play it again at some point. In this case i just go for another ending a year or whatever later.
To be honest I think this applies to most bigger games. Most trophy/achievement lists end up having some crappy collectible trophy where you just end up wandering around for hours picking stuff up off the floor.
My rule of thumb is to NEVER 100% a game, unless the game truly earns it, for instance, I have NEVER in my life 100% completed a GTA game, despite replaying them so many times I actually know them from memory.
Collectibles and side content are there only for those who truly want to dedicate themselves to it, it's optional, this is why so many get burned out or tired of big open world games or very long games, they're convinced they gotta do everything to make their purchase worth it, when in reality they really don't have to.
Amazing video!
The last game I 100% (well, 100% Steam achievements) was Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order. I completed it all in Normal mode. I never bothered with NG+ but there's no achievements for NG+, so no need for me to try it.
Previous game I got close to 100% was Deliver us the Moon. I only have one achievement to get for that.
Well if you dont do the extra boring time killer stuff then you don’t get your moneys worth. For example. Spider-Man Miles Morales came out at $49.99. On normal I beat the main story in a little under 8 hours. That’s not worth $50. At all. But I shouldn’t have to deliver pizzas or collect 200 of something to get a 10-15 hour story. Especially if there’s no multiplayer or DLC
@@toptiertech7291 Then don't deliver pizzas, do the story, fight some crime, then when you're ready to wrap up move on to something else, you get even more mileage out of games like that by replaying them.
If I can make it to the credits while having a fun time and only doing some side content if I felt like it, then I got my money's worth and more.
Like I said with my GTA example, I have played those games past the point of knowing them from memory because that's how fun they are even if I ignore all the worthless filler content.
i already 100% ghostwire tokyo.. very hard and confusing and the reward is really underwhelming . but at least the side stories were fun to witness!
Triangle Strategy is so nearly a great game to 100%. The second playthrough is incredible when you can get to max level and unlock the rarest stuff, but that third playthrough is so pointless with no progression or interesting changes.
The gold standard for open world is still Witcher 3. Every location has some sort of meaningful interaction with it, often through an excellent side-quest (IMHO many of the side-quests in that game are better than the main quest).
Oh, Witcher 3 had tons of question marks that meant next to nothing. Love the game. But saying it didn't have collection content isn't so.
I decided to risk it all and take the golden path on triangle strategy my first run since I didn't really want to do another playthough and that difficulty spike for the final few battles was monstrous. Might have been impossible if I hadn't done a ridiculous amount of mock battles throughout the story for gear/money.
I got my first fortress in Shadow of War and when 3 more pop up my gut reaction was exhaustion.
Is there a point on completing all of them or is it doing the same process 3 more times?
I think the last game I did this for was Dragon Age: Origins. Never again. It's been over a decade and I still haven't recovered. I find it incredibly difficult now to stick with an RPG game all the way through to completion. I'm sure it has nothing to do with having kids and being out of college 😆
I completed it once as a Dwarf Noble about 10 years ago. Now I've started a new playhtough as a Human Noble and plan to finish it. You do get to learn about the motivations of some characters more with the various Origins, so it definitely has a replay value.
It's far less grindy and unplayable as a lot of other games. It's not even as long as some of them.
Adulthood getting in the way of gaming. I feel your pain, brother.
I am very happy that players like you exist and I admire those that work hard to do everything in a game - because I struggle to just finish a game, so 💯 is never something I worry about.
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Borderlands 2
Crash 4: It's About Time
Shadow the Hedgehog
Spyro Orange: The Cortex Conspiracy
A game I absolutely love but will never 100%: FTL. I play this game daily, but so many of the achievements just strike me as not just difficult, but pointless (such as making it to sector 8 without buying ship upgrades) - and that's ignoring the RNG-based achievements such as the crystal sector.
Dying Light 2 is a lot easier to 100% than you think. None of the endings have any specific achievements or gameplay rewards and you can 100% the game in 1 playthrough and theres only about 40 "ubisoft open world activities) and they only take about 5-10 minutes each.
While I haven't and will never get all achievements for it, I have done multiple 100% playthroughs of Rise of the Tomb Raider
I just love playing that game
Jokes on you, I barely finish games nowadays, let alone 100% them 😎
I’m glad you 100% games because I don’t think I ever could. I play games for fun, and it’s not fun to me seeing the same things ad nauseum.
Every open world ubisoft game could make this list
Absolutely agree on the DL2. The game would've been much more fun to me if I did just a couple of side content and then just shot through the story.
Want to add to the list , like the Completionist found out , Dead Cells .
Good game , but fully competing it is , , not advised.
At least intentionally.
Totally agreed on Triangle Strategy. The game is fun at the 1st and 2nd playthrough for me. The problem is, your most characters will reach max level by the end of the second playthrough, and those who won't are just too boring or weak. Storywise, you'll see most content just playing twice. It seems like the producers expected you to beat the game 4 times, but only made 2 playthroughs' worth.
I already 100% Midnight Suns and I can't wait for the dlc to drop. Especially whenever Storm comes
I'd say for me doing the triangle strategy 100% I changed the gameplay experience per fun by swapping out my team whenever possible using batteries like Julio or Medina is great and all but swapping out your team to lets say worse units kept it fresh
Thanks for the tip on dying light 2 because it's in my backlog. While I don't 100% games, I do meticulously explore every inch of a map, and if the world is lack luster then I tend to get bored and won't finish the game. So dying light 2 priority is now main missions, side missions and peace out.
I’d also add Persona 5 Royal. Not because it’s a bad game, far from it! P5R is one of the best JRPGs ever made! I would say don’t 100% because there. Is. So. Much. Content!
You can easily 100% achievements on your first playthrough. Only 2 secret bosses and 1 Persona are locked behind NG+.
You forgot Crash bandicoot 4, That Game is death itself
I liked hearing your thoughts. I go for 100% achievements in most games - which I know is frequently less than the true 100% content like you do. The process of people doing 100% is interesting to me. I would love to see you do a video about games where the process of going for 100% improved the game experience for you. For me, there's probably fewer than ten games I've played where that was true, broken into a couple of categories. 1) Strategy games where the other achievements forced me to try different play styles. 2) Narrative RPGs/visual novels where all the paths/routes only present a fraction of the story and it doesn't come together until playing all of them.
As someone slogging through a 2nd run of Midnight Suns to max Dark and get the platinum I 100% agree. I loved my first playthrough and while the story and writing isn't great I had a lot of fun with the combat. At this point though I'm over it , but I only need one trophy for the platinum so it's hard to put it down knowing that.
Morty - thank you so much for making this! Just wanted to give you a ton of kudos for having the conversation in the comments around this stuff. It's so damn cool to know that you've been listening and then coming back to us with your thoughts on everything.
Not saying we expect you to always do this, nor should you ever feel obligated to (it's your channel!) but it's cool as hell that you engage and listen to the community. 5/5 Would like and subscribe again.Lol
RDR2
Just because it will break your heart.
Back in X360 era usually skipped multiplayer (or requiring other players) and absurd grind achievements. On PC sometimes grind can be solved with Cheat Engine. It's not like someone call the police or whatever...
Never chased achievements, especially 100%
You mentioned it for dying light 2, but ghostwire Tokyo also suffer from the "AAA Ubisoft open world games syndrome". A big map filled with many things to do... Most being definitely pointless.
Honestly, I've never done multiple playthroughs of any game, except for Gothic and ARPGs like Grim Dawn. Usually, by the time the ending rolls around, I'm itching to finish and move on.
As someone who pretty much always 100% games, including some really exhausting platinums like the Yakuza series and the Batman games (Riddler trophies, ugh), the "secret" is to go through the boring stuff (grinding, collectibles, etc) as you play through the actual game, not after. If you play it normally and only after finishing it you try to 100% it, you'll get bored quickly since the fun stuff will be mostly over. Taking breaks from the main story or even sidequests to get some of the boring stuff out of whe way makes the end game clean up much easier on the player.
Ironically, I would say Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. Mythic Paths like Swarm, Devil and Gold Dragon are late game and doesn't have much content. So a whole 3 playthroughs for that is too much imo. The trophy list is also a pain. Just enjoy the game instead, definitely high replay value but not for those paths imo
Playing Midnight Suns now and what you said about "doing something I really enjoy, followed by something I really didn't wanna do" resonates a lot with me as I feel the same way now. No chance I'll be 100% this game if it means spending any more time than absolutely necessary on the silly friendship simulator.
I just finished dying light 2 last week and honestly - I hit a point where I was like ‘I refuse to do all these side quests and random things’. The story was also… well yes.
I did dump lots of time into the parkour challenges - which is probably the only good thing about the game
Dark Souls 2: SotFS is also I game I wouldn't recommend to 100% (Platinum trophy).
The game is alright and fun if you complete everything in New game (including the DLCS). Move on to NG+ and NG++ however, and everything becomes a tedious grind to get that Platinum trophy. The already convoluted map filled with gank squads are even more frustrating cuz of the additional mobs that come with starting NG+ and NG++. Yeah, it's a game I really won't recommend 100 percenting even if people have played and 100 percented other Souls-like games before. 100% DS2: SotFS is just scarring experience.
100%ing games seems like masochism to me. I play till I stop having fun, then I stop playing. I'm not going to force myself to keep playing a game that's gone stale or boring. It sounds like "obsessive compulsive disease" (OCD) where people feel compelled to do something even though they don't really enjoy it.
DL2 just wasn't that good. DL1 wasn't perfect but, the combination of combat and exploration kept it interesting. I didn't even finish DL2 much less 100% it. One problem with DL2 is that almost no one was likable. In DL1, I didn't hate everyone like I did in DL2. It was a world populated by assholes.
My problem is I cant not 100%... I can miss something, yes, but if I see a quest I have to do it, I have to go to every corner of the map, I have to speak with everyone... This is why I like when games got some non linear elements at least like lets say Mass Effect or W3, what I mean is you can play very different Shepard or Geralt, so there is a room for second play, not to mention bigger choices in ME and Witcher games ofc, W2 for example had almost 30% of the game hidden behind a choice :)
Games like Midnight Suns you need to play 100% or as much as possible, this game is very linear story experience, I spent 76 hours in it, did almost everything, all friendships, all cards, 90% achievements. I liked it but its got 0 reason to play so called NG+, I spoke with everyone already, I know full story and side stories, if I want simply fights I can load my after-ending save game and just fight with all characters and all cards available. A bit sad really, usually Firaxis makes games in which you can play hundreds of hours... like Xcom, it also got linear story, but much more replayability, not even talking about Civilization... its thousands of hours. But why not I guess, Suns are simply good linear story card game, I just hope we will see Xcom 3 or Civ 7 soon, this year perhaps.
I recently 100% Sunset Overdrive and it's a really fun time but around the 75% mark I was so burnt out because there's just so many goddamn collectibles. Roughly 600 from what I can remember. So I spent 5-10 hours doing menial tasks and busy work not having a single drop of fun.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I think Spider Man for PS4 was fun to 100%. It's still a collectathon, but traversal is such a joy, that I found myself in out of the way places where collectables were anyway.
I'd like to say that I don't agree with you on Marvel Midnight Suns.
Not because the friendship simulator part didn't suck for me, it did, but because after playing through it once you can start a new game+ to do the 100%.
In a new game+ you keep the friendship levels from your previous game so it is way less annoying.
Star Ocean the Last hope international
I would never, ever suggest anyone try to 100% Warframe, if that's even possible lol! Or any mmo(rpg)...EVA!!! ;)
"Which I then get paid for"
Ans my mom said you can't get paid for playing video games! /S
Honestly that's super awesome and I give you a lot of kudos for doing someone you enjoy for a living.
Dying Light hurts to see. I waited so long when I was younger because I couldn’t afford the 1st one. Now that I have I have my own income. It pained me to just enjoy the experience for the first 10 hours and than just feel … dry. I was heartbroken.
I only ever 100% games I enjoy, but even then I'm not anal about it. I never 100%ed witcher 3 despite playing a few dozen times, mainly because I never got all the gwent cards on one playthrough
Any Yakuza game... okay, some of the newer ones aren't too grindy, but that way leads to madness.
I just finished Ghostwire and I couldn't see the point of snagging all the ghosts.
Tried to plat dying light 2 but the game can bug out so much and stop you getting collectibles and bases to count as achieved. Some of the fixes for these bugs don't always work and you got to find a guide following it just to make sure the bug doesn't happen on a new game. even that has a chance to not work.
Nothing worse then getting into the mood of grinding out collectibles to find out it can bug.
Big horror fan so I 100% Ghostwire hoping there was a big surprise. KK a real one, wished there was more stuff to do around his group.
Absolutely agree on dying light 2. I was so disappointed with the game. So much grindey, time wasting filler ....and then the ending I got absolutely sucked.
I absolutely adored Ghostwire Tokyo soo I 100%. It definitely has a cult following. Dying Light 2 on the other hand..good luck.
I platinum hunt and I can promise that 100 percenting a lot of games ruins the experience when you should have set them down. Dying light 2 is definitely one of them and imagine putting 130 hours doing every side mission because collectibles are missables and saving all you upgrades on health and stamina till you can max one stat fully so you can save scum to do the other and the. 50 hours in finally get to play with health and stamina. Leaving your game on for 36hrs over 4 different nights to have your character run in circles because you have to run an excessive distance and only run because it only counts that movement to get to 98 percent of trophies just to have a pretty basic trophy glitch and waiting and checking every update to run these trials again for the true night runner trophy to find out they say it's fixed and it's not. Joining a group on Reddit to try and fix it just to wait again for techland to fix it. Besides that it wasnt bad I was enjoying it the first even 70 hours
i dont even think ive ever completed 20% of any elder scrolls, fallout or GTA game. every single time i play them, ill be like 'i wonder whats around that corner' and then get sidetracked for 4 hours.
You can add XBC3 into this list, funnily enough. By the nature of the story and how things go, most of the sidequests are somewhere between completely pointless to largely a waste of time. You spend hours and hours setting up relationships and systems/distributions that just straight up become irrelevant due to the plot.
When you see where the story’s going it becomes clear not to invest yourself in this stuff.
Totally agreed with Triangle Strategy.
While the gameplay is fun and the story is great, to playthrough 4 times for all the characters and endings is just too much.
Tactics Ogre did a much better job in that regard.
Just found your channel through your Forspoken reveiw. I'm really enjoying your approach to gaming.
Triangle Strategy really should of just been 1 route (I got all endings, characters and skills). I get you wanted it to feel like Tactics Ogre but the game wanting most people to see most of the content made the routes seem like a forced last minute addition.
I never %100 games, I just never had the time to do that and usually you don't unlock anything interesting like a new character or something so I don't bother with it.
hard disagree on midnight suns but i enjoy persona series AND marvel comics (not the mcu) so it tickled me feathers in all the right ways (albeit the fren sim was a bit basic).
Dying light 2 is such a tragedy. I played at launch and while the base game is okay, I felt it didn’t quite live up to its hype. And it certainly toned things down so much at night time that it’s lost all of its sense of danger that DL1 had at night.
You should review Chained Echoes in the future. I will repeat this comment on every video until I die, or the review happens 😅 #7
I would personally add most yakuza games. I love them, but completing them is an absolute chore
Ha! Bro, as if I could (in terms of skills) or even had the time, to try so. And I don’t even have kids.
Assassins creed Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla, take your pick.
Almost all Ubisoft games. They are full of filler quests and useless collectibles
Ghostwire bummed me out so much, so pretty and some neat ideas but it needed to be like, a 5-8 hour linear shooter with the content it had. Spread way too thin on that open world.
Midnight suns was fairly easy to get most of the achievements in one play through, I'm down to two and one is just get all the achievements
The other way around is more interesting: which games were hard to complete yet satisfying to reach the 100%?
Worst part about "Triangle strategy" is that you can't get "best" ending in first playtrough. Rigged voting system in crucial part of the game just prevents you from achieving that.
You can get it on the first run its just difficult, but you probably wouldnt want too as its best done once you have most of the path exclusive characters recruited in NG+
Cyberpunk would have been better with most small quests and half of the side quests removed. 😓
Gotham knights I did lol it wasn’t bad but some of the trophies I could only do for new game plus
I don't think I got a lot to worry about. I have like one game total with 100%. I rarely get even 25% on a game.
Basically every open world AAA game not named Elden Ring or Breath of the Wild haha.
I'd add the Yakuza games to this list, if only because of Mahjong.
I never 100% games, it would make me feel like wasting time in order to achieve nothing.
NIER Automata is a game designed with 100%ers in mind I believe.
Im surprise witcher 3 isnt in this... great game but 100% skellige is a big no no
Surprised Hyrule Warrior Definitive Edition wasn't on this list.
Why bother 100% any game? It’s tedious by definition.
free comment.
Onestly i dont like get 100% in a game beside the metroid series and dungeon crawlers
I wish I could just switch achievements off and enjoy the game experience without notifications interrupting it. The gameplay alone should provide enough satisfaction without cheap dopamine boosts in the form of achievement badge collecting.
@@monkian better yet, find a mod that instantly gives you every achievement
Assassin’s creed odyssey… way to big and every town is the exact same. Worst ac ever
I will probably still 100% two of those games once I get to playing them
i wish i didnt buy midnight suns... i love the combat but the rest of that game is terrible
I would have expected DA:I to be on This list. Great game, but kinda annoying to 100%
Ive done one of these previously and it was included
I agree about Valkyrie Elysium despite really liking the game.
Mostly for the reason of getting each weapon to S rank as it literally does nothing for the stats of the weapon or the character, it’s strictly for the trophy/achievement and takes ages to grind.
I’m playing Triangle Strategy now and have really been debating about multiple playthroughs even though I’m loving it. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
I just can't go through some trophies or achievements,i do actively seek games that i will have fun 100% but for example i was disappointed with the Elex one because i would love to do all three play throughs for the three main factions but for example 50 pick locks and 100 hacks felt opposite of 100%
What are some games that are worth completing for you guys? Dishonored and Bloodborne are examples for me.
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen is a really fun game with most of the trophies being things you'll naturally do over the course of a play through. I did get the platinum for Bloodborne last month actually. I finally decided to do the chalice dungeons and fight that one boss. Pretty good boss fight, would recommend. Nioh is another of my favorites games. Overall was very fun to platinum, but a couple of the hidden trophies were annoying by not being things you naturally do. Currently working up the courage to play Dead Space 1 and 2 on the highest difficulty for those trophies, and also try to platinum a Dark Souls game.
Call me crazy, but I absolutely loved getting 100% ghostwire tokyo. But then again I love Tokyo so I might be super biased. my don't 100 percent would be The Witcher 3 ( my 2nd all time favourite game) , sone trophies were very stupid, ac Valhalla, kingdoms of amalu re reckoning and by far , nr 1 shadow of mordor, the most frustrating platinum I've ever done. This is coming from someone who platinumed all from software games on every platform I own, ps3,4,5 and PC ( also although from soft were quite hard, none were really frustrating)