Canon R8 - Good For Bird and Wildlife Photography and Videography ?
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- With the announcement of the release of the Canon R8, we talk about its pro's and con's and if I think it will be any good for bird a wildlife photography.
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I've been shooting my crop sensor 70D using full frame, L series lenses for years. For my budget, it's always made more sense to invest in glass rather than a full frame body. This is far and away the best opportunity I've seen to finally make the jump. Thanks for the great review! Pre-order is in. 😁
agree
If you’re going to test it with heavy lenses, get the EG-E1 mini grip. That improved the ergonomics with the EF100-400 and RF100-500 immensely.
Yes I saw that mini grip. I will be picking one up today as its the same mount it looks like for the rp.
Thanks
Currently selling my 6Dii. I want a lighter setup for my backpacking setup. For the telelens it is clearly going to be RF100-400 - a clear no-brainer. But for the body, I am struggling with so many options. I do like the idea of R8 being so lightweight. Concerned about the need of extra batteries, which may reduce the weight benefit. Each battery is 45g. If I carry 2 more batteries, the weight in my backpack stacks :)
The other problem is that currently in my region it costs 1650$. So it is more expensive comparing to R7, and is not far away from R6 (mark1). But both cameras are rather heavy to my taste.
Then I also like the idea of R10, being even lighter with the ability to attach 18-150 lens making a nice lightweight all-round setup. But going from FF to APSC is little bit concerning to me.
I shoot stills 90%, with wildlife backpacking photos, occasional astro, landscapes, portraits and kids. For a 'normal' lens for an R8 I would love to see a pancake (something like 40/2.8), but it's unfortunately not yet available. And I am certainly aware of adapters, but I don't wish to use them for the obvious weightsaving reason, which is very important during backpacking. For an R10 I could see using 32/1.4, which is also not available and not clear whether Canon will ever export this lens from the M mount.
Everything is so messed with so many options and hard decisions :D
always fun figuring out the weight and costs
Thank you for the great no nonsense videos. I have enjoyed and have learned a great deal from you. This was my first "professional" camera. I thought I made a mistake, but have enjoyed working with it. I would like to purchase a R3 or R5. Cant afford anything newer, plus I have not heard anything great about the R1 or new R5. Keep up that great work. Looking forward to going to Alaska :)
The R8 is a great camera. The New R5 MKII is fantastic. go check out the last 3 videos to see what you think of the images and videos. 😄
@@WILDALASKA Will do thank you!
Thanks Scott, will probably pick this up as a backup to my R7, I own an RP right now that I rarely use so I’ll have some extra batteries for it after I sell the RP. Don’t do any video but I like the stills features. Thanks for the info.👀👀
yes, with the r8 you can do landscape, wide angle more without buying an adapter. like me have 2 cameras set up at all times differently
Everything you said makes sense. I wasn't sure how it fit in the lineup. I wonder if they will replace the RP with something? Seems unlikely but a $999 full frame camera is more tempting than $1500 for a casual shooter.
not sure. official word was r replacement. so we shall see
They will not be, they just called the R8 the entry level full frame
Well I am looking forward to your full review. I am hoping in the future to get some better gear and each of these reviews help me to see how these cameras perform in the field. And you keep the reviews realistic which is important for me to get a good feel of the gear your review. At the moment I am just really starting to love my old Canon 5D classic. I was given that camera a few years back, but never really used it enough to see how good it is. But now I am kind of leaning a little more on that camera than my Canon Rebel T5. In the coming months I hope to use what I have and save up to get better gear.
All great cameras. Best advice I ever got was your gear does not make you a photographer.. learning your gear and your craft will
@@WILDALASKA yeah that is true. I am learning what I can do with my 5D and at the moment I just love how the pictures turn out. If the picture is taken good, I hardly have to do any editing. I think that is what I am trying to focus on more. Getting good pictures in camera. Being able to trust the camera more, gives me rest and also lets me be able to focus on other things while taking pictures. That is one thing I would love about having something like the R8, the super good autofocus and eye tracking. Its just one less thing to worry about. Its like the camera saying, don't worry, I got your back
Im torn between picking up a r10 because its just a nice price and feature layout, plus I have ef lens's and would just need an adapter.
But the r8 is maybe 80% more in price but the features are kind of wild, other then the battery life which you can fix with a external battery or
more batteries. Its a full frame, creamy depth, great low light iso performing, and an insane AF system unlike anything I've seen.
I think I might get the r8 instead of the r10 even if its that much more $$$ and I don't mind I think
id say r8. unless you want the 1.6 crop of the r10 for reach.
Canon R8's battery is a disappointment.
Agree, but its what will fit in the small rp sized body. To me that's its weakest part. but lot of camera for 1500.
agree about the battery
@@WILDALASKA yeah, that's the only weakness in my opinion
I have a bunch of those batteries for my 760d/t6s. They're tiny compared to the NH batteries, and it's easy to put two of them in my pocket. This may not help videographers so much, but it will work fine for still photographers.
No problem go for R6 2
Thank you for the information Looking to eventaully upgrade for both studio and outdoor uses Very curious how it performs for wildllife etc Have ef glass already
im curious to get it in hand and see how well it performs
I agree completely about the joystick.
I think Canon produced a very good camera and a great price. I don’t see it in my future though, but I could be wrong.
it fit for me. I think folks on the fence on the r6mkii will have a new avenue. I also think this will be a hot seller alongside the r7
Have R7 rented in March, will make a decision after that which R camera to buy. Looking forward to the review! Take care
Yes it will be a decision point now for full frame vs crop. I think its about the reach now on the 2 cameras and the mp. Well and rolling shutter. Before testing I would still say R7 for wildlife, but we will see
Looking forward to your review. Considering get an all-round camera for wildlife and landscape, but that battery might be an issue. I'm hoping Sony comes out with an A7IV update with higher mechanical and electronic fps. In your opinion is the electronic on the non-stacked sensor good for fast action? I'm thinking hummingbirds or herons/kingfishers fishing without alot of distortion.
Yes the sensor is very good. I have a review on the camera (r6MKII which is same sensor) and there are a bunch more videos on the r6mkii sensor and the rolling shutter is not an issue. BUT hummingbirds are small so the 24.2 mp sensor your not going to be able to aggressive crops.. so there's that to think of (if you crop a lot)
Great vid
I am now confused between R8 vs S5m2
Decision depends on: which one is more reliable for birding and wildlife photography.!
Please let me know when you try them both in hands
Ill have a video out as soon as I get it..probably a unbox and first use thoughts then a 10k shots review.
I like how you tie your reviews into real world use, it makes discussing new features, or the lack of, far more relatable.
thanks. They are just my shooting needs and experiences that i hope helps others
I personally see the R8 as somewhere in between general/universal photography and videography with a touch of wildlife/sports capabilities.
But since i own the R7 already (and was a RP long time user) all i really would love is a uncropped and nice 4k60 which the R7 has only in crop mode.
If i would have still the RP i would probably tend towards the R8 and just accept expensive lens prices and a higher weight to carry, but since i got used to APS-C again with the R7 i just prefer the crop/additional range.
agree.
@@WILDALASKA If you get hands on the R8 i would love if you test the curtain down trick as on the RP once:
starting cleaning process via menu and then turning off the camera.
Which is is better for wildlife. The R50,R10,R7 or The R8 @ Wildlife Alaska ?
video coming this week on r8 vs r7
thanks for youre video always excellent .. question i want a full frame so R8 or R6mk2 ?
My advice is always go rent and test both out.
Question will be is the 1K savings in price worth the no IBIS, no joystick, and smaller battery.
For my needs for cameras yes it is why I am picking it up, but others those items missing will push them towards the R6MKII
Sounds a bit like it’s a back up camera rather than a true wildlife camera. Also what about the limited buffer?
Buffer is no different than the R6MKII. Both on shoot sdII cards.
For me it will be a stdio camera and backup but I am going to test it as if its my main camera like I did with the R7 and R10. I ran with those cameras as main camera for weeks even though I had better cameras on hand to get a good feel for them.
This camera has muddied the waters for me and you seem willing to make a recommendation so i'll ask. I shoot small birds and do crop a fair amount. Am using R7 with RF 100-500. In summers light can be an issue when in woods under canopy. Have always wanted to try FF camera. If I can get good used R5 for same price as R6ii which should I go for or should I go for the R8? I do very little video but like to take nice pics for the old ladies to oh an ah over on FB..thnx
So for small in frame/far away and full frame you will want the r5 mo (45). As you can do a 50% crop easily. with the 24.2 you will not be able to crop near that much and have any detail left. The R7 gets you closer and more mp on the bird, so you don't have to crop as much but still can.
So in summary if you re-compose or crop a lot then the R3, 6, 6MKII would not be the best camera.
I see used R5's for 2.5k in the market.
You're still going to have the same light issue as the lens is your roadblock at 7.1 min aperture. Your going to need. a faster lens for more light. and that's the $$$ issue :(
As far as readout speed, it's stacked sensors - not BSI sensors - that have the fastest readout speed and little or no rolling shutter. BSI sensors have not shown any readout speed advantage over FSI sensors.
ok..
Great video with very informative insights! I’ve been watching your videos recently.
I’m a beginner and planning to upgrade my skill and gears gradually. I’m planning to buy a Canon camera for nature, landscape, wildlife and family pictures.
My choice is between R 8 and R 7 with 18-150 kit lens.
Which one should I go for?
Your suggestion would be great !
Thanks in advance!
id say for those things r8 due to full frame sensor
@@WILDALASKA Thanks a lot! All the best for your channel !
Just wanted to say thank you for the video ... I am only within 10 seconds of the video. But I know it is going to be great! I had to comment! :)
Hope you enjoy it!
@@WILDALASKA I did ... congrats on the new purchase too
Small battery is the cripple hammer for me!
yes> will be testing the battery life in different situations to see how bad or livable it is I the field.
Hi Scott, thanks for an interesting analysis !! You're the first I saw who mentions the missing sensor protection when switching lenses, which is an insurance I do fancy having. It also seems the buffer is about half the size of the R6ii. Personally I'd miss the joystick in cases I'd shoot a waterfall or landscape. And on the R5/6 I program the 'set' button in the mid of the back dial to return the focus point to the center. But I also prefer reviewing images (if I do so) through the EVF and when zooming the joystick is really useful to position the zoomed image.
Having said this, I fully agree the R8 offers great value for money and it will make good sense for your third body. But I do see the R8 more aimed at landscape & street photography or vlogging, while depending on the needs the R6ii and R7 could make more sense for wildlife/birders who only get one camera.
Using the R6 I was shooting cRaw to one card, and jpg as backup to the other. On the R5 I've sadly had to dumb down the jpg to their smallest size because otherwise the SD could not keep up with CFxB card.
I think i saw the sensor bit from Peter McKinnon. And the lack of joystick is overcome it looks like byb different types of taps on the back lcd screen. it will be interesting to see how that works. As far as buffer most i saw stated it was about the same as the r6mkII, but we shall see ;)
@@WILDALASKA The channel of Peter is a bit overcrowded for my liking, I kinda prefer the smaller ones ;-)
I think I disabled the lcd taps because I didn't like the focus points my nose was selecting ..
I've seen numbers of raw and jpg you could shoot and it was about 1/2.
Anyway, given you'd mostly use it as your video tool, and 'only' as spare for stills it may indeed provide you more value for money compared to the R6ii.
Lots of great points!
Thanks!
Curious about buffer size, and if lack of UHS-II slows down clearing of the buffer?
Per Canon spec sheet (One) SD card slot: Compatible with UHS-II
so the performance should be same as the r6MkII and from the pre-prod cameras folks used they got 60+ images in a burst.
@@WILDALASKA
I must have mixed up with the spec for the R50, wich only has UHS-I
Almost considering swapping my R6 mkI for the R8 🙂
@@Sigurd_9230The R8’s battery is going to perform much worse.
Full frame or not, I don’t know why you’d get an R8 over an R7
I have an r7 already, but each shooter is different. it would almost be same argument on r6 or mike vs r7 almost. but fr wildlife if I had to only pick on, right now it would be the r7
@@WILDALASKA I know , I’m a long time watcher and subscriber. I love your channel 🤙
It’s an entry level full frame with one card slot, small battery and no IBIS
yup
The Canon cripple hammer got lost while they were designing this camera, if we are lucky, they won't be able to find it till we get R9.
:)
is ibis necessary for wildlife photography?
No. Its helpful for the photographers shake or movement, but the stop/motion blue reduction, etc. is down to your shutter speed. Plus most if not all of wildlife lenses have 2-5 stop of IS in them to offset the lack of IBIS.
@@WILDALASKA im an old fan of nature and wildlife and just now decided to to start wildlife photography and can’t make up my mind between the r8 and r6 ii
@@WILDALASKA helping me decide will be much appreciated
The battery and a EVF ruin it for me.
battery is poop. EvF well have to see. Those are both interesting things to test.
Is tere any point to buy the canon r6
Depends on your needs. Is the extra 1k price worth it for twice the battery life (batteries are under 100 bucks), a joystick on the back, and ibis?
From internet i downloaded one raw shot at ISO 12800 ... And it's almost noice less 😱😱....
very cool
Meh, hard no for me. I feel like the R7 is all I need. Still not sure what Canon intends with this camera. I think if you get this, it'll just make you want the R6ii hardcore. Maybe that's what they want....
ok
For wildlife short answer, R7 is better and the same price
Comparing the 2, yes, for what I do. But as a second camera or you want full frame and very little rolling shutter, then it edges it out a hair.
Does not have IBIS, has small battery and no joystick. Definitely not for me. Also un less dial.
all true
Even a cheap R10 has a joystick and this one does not! This is unacceptable , there is room for it. I use viewfinder 95% of the time for stills, so no joystick no buy. For stills and $100 less, the R is a much better buy. Those who shoot animals and sports will get an R7 anyway.
I never use the joystick other to recenter the focus point due to bumping it off center with the joystick. So each to their own for how they shoot.
@@WILDALASKA I don't use the joystick for animals, but for landscape , I use it all the time. I have EOS R and R7. Moving the focus point on the touch screen on the R is a huge pain (while using viewfinder ). It is so much easier on the R7 (for landscape) the joystick. There is a reason that there is a joystick on every pro expensive body.
I’ve used and own the RP. It’s a spare camera to my EOS R5. The battery life is horrible on the RP. The lack of dedicated knobs is frustrating. Having 2 card slots is a necessity for me for weddings and serious projects. No sir. The R8 is a hard pass for me no matter the image quality. Too many compromises for my taste.
Gotcha. The battery will suck. if you shoot redundant ya its a no go. And ergonomics can be a pain.
@@WILDALASKA I can see that this camera could be the cat’s meow to some. Just not for me.