their overconfidence just cause them the game they shouldn't have let them pick magnus at game 5.. and they should have pick better hero to disable magnus instead of enchantress.. i feel bad to ame this is the second time that he almost get the aegis but couldn't get it at the end..
@@shred9178 The problem wasn't the magnus pick, which spirit literally first picked it, it was the lack of response. LGD countered magnus with rubick, but they refused to draft something to deal with him in the last game and it costed him. Honestly, their game 5 draft was pretty bad, besides tiny lycan they had nothing, very weak initiation and litreally no counter initiation. They try to fight spirit and they 100% get fucked by bane and WW, because they have nothing that can jump the backlines.
@@Freefrost that's why i said they should pick better hero than enchantress in the last pick.. i mean how can you do with that hero they just focus too much in buffing tiny and lycan combo coz they are confident that they can work that out coz they successfully smashed team secret with that combo even if they have magnus and wyvern in their draft but too bad team spirit already knew how counter tiny and lycan combo with the same hero that secret draft against lgd in upper bracket finals, spirit just execute it well in the grandfinals compared to secret.. for me lgd should have pick silencer instead of enchantress in the last pick coz that hero can disable spirit ults in the clash with his global silence in a better timing .. tiny and lycan combo is strong but they just don't have a decent hero to disable ww, magnus, and bane.. team spirit luck in this ti is just too strong..
@@switch7431 Ogre isn't really good to stop a horn toss skewer because the cast point of his stun is pretty slow. And going for two melees on the safelane will get punished. A better five would be, IMO, shaman, if the point is dealing with magnus. Insta hex, a stun and tower push.
Psd LGD: Wow we absolutely destroyed magnus with rubick, just lift his ass whe he skewers. Also Psd lgd: Oh look a magnus, i've never met this man in my life. Proceeds to pick skywrath mage.
@@Freefrost they pick skywrath mage to counter with his silence in early game which they did but only happen twice. Just a simple BKB from Collapse already break LGD draft. Usually Collapse decide to buy force staff but on the last game he goes straight to buy BKB after buying mac and blink dagger...5head
@@ytgtohka239 true, but rubick lift is still a better counter to mag, since you can lift your ally who got skewered in the event that mag goes bkb like this game
Well done Team Spirit! They played so beautifully. Everything they did was perfect. The way they execute team fights, the way they engage and disengage enemies, their map awareness (I can't recall how many times I saw them TP out at just the right time), their drafts were on point and balanced. They were really feeling themselves, they were confident, and they forced their enemies to make mistakes and made very few themselves. Much respect and well deserved!
I really liked the interplay in games 2, 3, & 5 between XinQ and Collapse. Really fun tips and counter-picks. If Collapse went bkb instead of linkens game 3 (like he did game 5), they could have even won 3-0 I think.
who's that guy gorc talking in this stream?? ps. yatoro saitama mode paid him this whole series .. that lucky charm bald head..haha congrats to all of them they deserved it..
I think Team Spirit is playing the same way they always play and LGD had the time yo analyze their plays, but they disregarded Collapse's magnus. If LGD banned Mag instead of the willow, it would probably gave a more interesting Game 5.
Are you forgetting they played through the lower bracket and beat OG and Secret? Like who tf cares if LGD played a bit worse, (and no I don't think they did for the record, it's easy to say they played worse when they lost) because TS consistently outplayed the strongest teams of the tournament. Everyone played their strongest game. TS was just better. It could've gone either way in game 5, it was 2-2, if the draft was different.
@@kingsonza5740 Magnus with BKB is pretty much death sentence without any direct hero counter from enemy side. Especially if Magnus has a late game hard carry. The 3 sec stun from RP feels like eternity for enemies with TB beating the shit out of them. Skadi + satanic carriers can dumpster Tiny lategame even with six slots.
Tiny/Lycan needs you to commit to fights by running in. That's what the drafts with wyvern and bane is for. It's not necessarily the mag but crowd controls that pierces through bkbs is what they need and that's what they got.
Bane pick is so good for me, Winter Wyvern with good positions for third skill and Collapse doing his job, Yatoro the monster farming + versatility and TORONTOTOKYO: - EZ game
game 5 was pretty smart by TS, now I understand their coach said they were counting with luck, they planned giving Tiny to LGD so they could draft magnis + a counter to the Tiny strat, it would backfire if LGD picked the Magnus instead of Tiny. I think TS is the team that won the most against the Tiny strat, 3 times, 2x against OG and 1x against Secret
@@bens4801 LGD threw it with their lycan and wisp picks(both heroes performed pretty badly at TI at about 40% winrate) they shouldn't have let spirit have bane and magnus that often. Outpicked in the finals is the only reason they lost honestly
I don't know what's going on because I'm just a noob, but it really seemed like the best thing PSG.LGD could have done in that last game is just chill? Literally just don't do anything and continue farming. They popped ult/aghs and ran at them no matter what even though it's incredibly obvious Spirit is baiting them. Like that dive on the tier 2 bot or Ench charging up hill with no vision on any heroes after pretty much confirming all of Spirit is chilling in the triangle waiting for the dive. And LGD just took the bait every time? Was their late game really that bad vs Spirit's line up? A 6 slotted tiny with Lycan aghs 2 shots heroes and 5 shots towers but LGD just crumbled in typical Chinese fashion. Their broken combo wasn't working like it usually does so they just turned off their brains. Sad final match. Reminded me of CDEC getting dominated after PPD figured them out.
Don't forget this guys (both teams) were under insane pressure, both teams had some mistakes and because of that we could watch 5 games instead of just 3. Very solid finals, sadge no crowd made it feel a bit shallower experience than previous TIs.
I believe that TS lategame was pretty much better in a passive farm game. TB's insane armour, durability and solid damage with empower is something to be reckoned with. One good RP in lategame is a no chancer for LGD.
The first biggest thing that LGD does is never ever respect the Magnus that already thing that if you watching every singel team spirit match none of the big team respect the Magnus pick. Second LGD try to gambling with lycan tiny strat against the spirit. And third they just play under pressure like BO 1 match everything can happen.
Not at all, they have TB ember magnus vs Kunkka, Lycan, Tiny. Only tiny can scale into the late game well enough to deal with that. But once TB starts going he is unstopabble against a draft that is almost 100% physical damage. They had to push the early game as quickly as possible with ench SW and Kunkka, but they failed tons of ganks because they have no reliable stuns. The draft was very weird on the support side.
@@hipotalamus I agree their late game was better but we've seen plenty of games where the weaker late game team gets control early and uses that to farm the items they need. Aeon disk for mag, ghost scepter for TB, lotus orb for TB/WW and giving Ench space to turn into a damage dealing semi core would have changed things a lot. Team Secret would have done that in this situation and maybe they wouldn't have won but it would have been a lot closer. LGD just went in super hard and reduced their chances of winning to about 5% with that first dive on the T2 tower. It just looked really sloppy.
A lot of great games this TI, and the storylines. Kind of sad we cant have handshakes after the games. Corona sucks. Could have maybe had some bowing from a far or something. Pretty sure the players want to show their respect to each other.
@@richhobo1216 hit once with echo, walk closer hit second time. 1.6s of 100% slow which is 100ms on tb. The enemy team was busy dealing with lycan and kunkka. Im not telling him what to do, thats what he should have done. Otherwise the fight is completely lost if tb lives.
ppl be like "this is fixed,how the hell lgd lose that game 5 with tiny lycan??" wtf are u talking about,doesnt matter how broken lycan tiny is lgd game 5 are 3 melee cores against 3 bkb piercing disable,ember TB kite them and collapse magnus,look at the bottom clash tier 2 tower magnus kill skymage = team spirit win.tiny blink?? get hit by tb,cant chase cant run,lycan?? just a dumb dog running around,kunkka? grip him,problem solved.
I think team spirit was not that strong enough to beat all the top tier teams. Chinese dota community found lots of hints of that. LGD lost to them intentionally
all thos comment would e diffrent if ts lost. like ppl calling them good and all cuz they win. if they didn't would be flammed even if they won all the game in low bracket.just like nigma in ti9.
all teams tried to cheese TS with the Lycan + Tiny crap, and no one was successful. I wonder why they kept trying if clearly they figured it out... Literal insanity.
Money. VP’s captain bet on team spirit one week before finals and had a 4.5x payout, imagine if you put 10 mil on it. Way more than you can win fair and square.
@@solo-ru8oi these people (TS) were winning their scrims against every team. OG winning was less likely but shit happens.People push through and overcome obstacles. Sorry for dismantling your salty look on life.
28:46
"Fuck how deep it is, as long as you get it in" - Gorgc, 2021
Honestly team spirit drafted and played solid dota. LGD gambled that tiny is too OP and went all in and got defeated
their overconfidence just cause them the game they shouldn't have let them pick magnus at game 5.. and they should have pick better hero to disable magnus instead of enchantress.. i feel bad to ame this is the second time that he almost get the aegis but couldn't get it at the end..
@@shred9178 The problem wasn't the magnus pick, which spirit literally first picked it, it was the lack of response. LGD countered magnus with rubick, but they refused to draft something to deal with him in the last game and it costed him. Honestly, their game 5 draft was pretty bad, besides tiny lycan they had nothing, very weak initiation and litreally no counter initiation. They try to fight spirit and they 100% get fucked by bane and WW, because they have nothing that can jump the backlines.
@@Freefrost the problem with their draft is that they pick Skywrath first before Ogre, thus allowing Spirit to ban Ogre in the last phase.
@@Freefrost that's why i said they should pick better hero than enchantress in the last pick.. i mean how can you do with that hero they just focus too much in buffing tiny and lycan combo coz they are confident that they can work that out coz they successfully smashed team secret with that combo even if they have magnus and wyvern in their draft but too bad team spirit already knew how counter tiny and lycan combo with the same hero that secret draft against lgd in upper bracket finals, spirit just execute it well in the grandfinals compared to secret.. for me lgd should have pick silencer instead of enchantress in the last pick coz that hero can disable spirit ults in the clash with his global silence in a better timing .. tiny and lycan combo is strong but they just don't have a decent hero to disable ww, magnus, and bane.. team spirit luck in this ti is just too strong..
@@switch7431 Ogre isn't really good to stop a horn toss skewer because the cast point of his stun is pretty slow. And going for two melees on the safelane will get punished. A better five would be, IMO, shaman, if the point is dealing with magnus. Insta hex, a stun and tower push.
Just give collapse his comfort hero and TORONTOTOKYO one of spirits hero and they'll open the way to the Aegis of the Immortal
game 5 is truly a questionable draft by LGD
they disrespect team spirit so much kek
Psd LGD: Wow we absolutely destroyed magnus with rubick, just lift his ass whe he skewers.
Also Psd lgd: Oh look a magnus, i've never met this man in my life.
Proceeds to pick skywrath mage.
@@Freefrost they pick skywrath mage to counter with his silence in early game which they did but only happen twice. Just a simple BKB from Collapse already break LGD draft. Usually Collapse decide to buy force staff but on the last game he goes straight to buy BKB after buying mac and blink dagger...5head
@@ytgtohka239 true, but rubick lift is still a better counter to mag, since you can lift your ally who got skewered in the event that mag goes bkb like this game
@@odingerke1463 rubick was banned
This is why Dota has the best esports scene, hands down.
27:08 Best quote of the ti "If Lesh is anything he's a Master baiter"
I actually listened masturbator, now their phrasing makes a lot more sense.
I can't wait for the true sight, I'm curious about how TS communicate and managed to win against the favorites LGD.
Cyka blyat cheeke breeki iv danke
Just luck, didn't you hear
@@KABLAMMATS DAVAI DAVAI
im curious of what the hell were LGD thinking when not banning magnus
Power of vodka
should've banned magnus
It's feel like yesterday when I used to watch gorp stream and TORONTOTOKYO in pubs now he's a TI champs. What a strange timeline.
Yea ir feels like any noob can win ti as long as he has a magnus abusing skewer on his team
@@zlee2189 salty? Hahaha
@@astronemir about the game being too bad? Idk if salty is the word
Win = abusing pepelaugh
Isnt that how every TI works? Abusing the best heroes on the patch. One of the reasons why team drafting is so important.
I heckin love team spirit
Well done Team Spirit!
They played so beautifully. Everything they did was perfect.
The way they execute team fights, the way they engage and disengage enemies, their map awareness (I can't recall how many times I saw them TP out at just the right time), their drafts were on point and balanced. They were really feeling themselves, they were confident, and they forced their enemies to make mistakes and made very few themselves.
Much respect and well deserved!
I really liked the interplay in games 2, 3, & 5 between XinQ and Collapse. Really fun tips and counter-picks. If Collapse went bkb instead of linkens game 3 (like he did game 5), they could have even won 3-0 I think.
Pretty sure this trumps OG's win at TI8. Team Spirit absolute monsters, well deserved!
I mean to be fair OG did form a team for Ti like 3 weeks before actually playing on stage
TS are insane though, didn't expect that from them
@@Shitpostsulley but they stormed through lower bracket which is insane. It gives you the ti7 vibes, except for the 3-0 finals
Its a mix of both OG at TI 8 and Liquid at TI 7, which makes it all the more epic
og final had way more entertaining games but team spirit are definitely bigger underdogs
Og won 4 major, this team just come out of nowhere bro
Goddamn!, this is some insane shit! I havent been that hiped for dota long ass time! Both teams played out of their minds!
finally gorgc can get some good long sleep
before the team secret series i bet $10 on spirit to win the whole thing and got $95
easiest money of my life
LGD really don’t respect the Magnus :)
Yeah at least O.G can feel some comfort knowing they weren't the only team that lost due to that mistake
it's a mental warfare. they beat magnus once. lgd was betting on collapse starting to doubt his magnus, which he didn't
Something about Chinese saving face culture, probably don't wanna admit they can't beat Mag
Twinshine you are so fucking fast. 👏👏👏
Nobody in the world had this bracket...
Gonna keep watching this until TI10 True Sight comes
i loved the part in TI where Yatoro litteraly only one who played turbo in first 2 maps.
who's that guy gorc talking in this stream??
ps. yatoro saitama mode paid him this whole series .. that lucky charm bald head..haha
congrats to all of them they deserved it..
Qojqva and pieliedie
pieliedie and qojqva
@@sh0shin ah okay thanks guys
let's go team bald, sacrifice all your hairs to the dota Godz
Was it TS playing better than LGD or LGD playing worse than themselves?
Did you see that last game? TS was playing out of their minds. The map awareness was insane.
I think Team Spirit is playing the same way they always play and LGD had the time yo analyze their plays, but they disregarded Collapse's magnus. If LGD banned Mag instead of the willow, it would probably gave a more interesting Game 5.
I think lgd was overconfident with tiny + lycan
LGD underestimating Team Spirit just like in the animes
Are you forgetting they played through the lower bracket and beat OG and Secret? Like who tf cares if LGD played a bit worse, (and no I don't think they did for the record, it's easy to say they played worse when they lost) because TS consistently outplayed the strongest teams of the tournament. Everyone played their strongest game. TS was just better. It could've gone either way in game 5, it was 2-2, if the draft was different.
27:08 "If leshrac is anything, he is a masturbator" - @Gorc 2021
I still doesn't understand why many great teams letting go of the magnus even though they know collapse magnus is op this tournament
Mag is counterable thats why
@@kingsonza5740 stats speak otherwise
@@kingsonza5740 that's only true if you actually pick the heroes that counter it lol.
@@kingsonza5740 Magnus with BKB is pretty much death sentence without any direct hero counter from enemy side. Especially if Magnus has a late game hard carry. The 3 sec stun from RP feels like eternity for enemies with TB beating the shit out of them. Skadi + satanic carriers can dumpster Tiny lategame even with six slots.
@@kingsonza5740 Countered by what? Skywrath? lul
i think collapse on his comfort heroes carries, but canadajapan on literally any other hero other than spirits is very underwhelming
lmao
Who is casting with Gorp?
Pieliedie
First 2 game qojva, then pieliedie
I honestly feel like the Linkens was a bad item to pick up for Magnus. He should have gone BKB if Rubick Telekinesis is his issues
Ame lost to Ember game 5 two times.So sad
They should have put bulldog and gorgc into the all star match haha
Not the bulldog, he is scuffed
They both declined
The all declined.. thats why you have blitz and merlini on the other team..
Finally, we got definitve proof that Collapse's magnus is stronger than tiny + lycan after all
Tiny/Lycan needs you to commit to fights by running in. That's what the drafts with wyvern and bane is for. It's not necessarily the mag but crowd controls that pierces through bkbs is what they need and that's what they got.
Bane pick is so good for me, Winter Wyvern with good positions for third skill and Collapse doing his job, Yatoro the monster farming + versatility
and TORONTOTOKYO:
- EZ game
game 5 was pretty smart by TS, now I understand their coach said they were counting with luck, they planned giving Tiny to LGD so they could draft magnis + a counter to the Tiny strat, it would backfire if LGD picked the Magnus instead of Tiny. I think TS is the team that won the most against the Tiny strat, 3 times, 2x against OG and 1x against Secret
TS probably the only team to figure out tiny lycan draft
@@bens4801 LGD threw it with their lycan and wisp picks(both heroes performed pretty badly at TI at about 40% winrate) they shouldn't have let spirit have bane and magnus that often.
Outpicked in the finals is the only reason they lost honestly
Congratulations gorgc i heard sheep saying shoutout to gorgc hahahahahaha
Tiny airlines to Magnus railways - We have come a long way. Fresh blood Collapse broke this Ti.
Everyone praising tt and collapse but the mvp is miposka.
And silent too, this two guy really know how to draft against lgd
Looking at these comments from Archon players thinking drafting is as easy as their winning a game to reach Legend lol.
56:40 wtf was that Dark realm W by Dark willow? Choking?
CIS is back
I don't know what's going on because I'm just a noob, but it really seemed like the best thing PSG.LGD could have done in that last game is just chill? Literally just don't do anything and continue farming. They popped ult/aghs and ran at them no matter what even though it's incredibly obvious Spirit is baiting them. Like that dive on the tier 2 bot or Ench charging up hill with no vision on any heroes after pretty much confirming all of Spirit is chilling in the triangle waiting for the dive. And LGD just took the bait every time? Was their late game really that bad vs Spirit's line up? A 6 slotted tiny with Lycan aghs 2 shots heroes and 5 shots towers but LGD just crumbled in typical Chinese fashion. Their broken combo wasn't working like it usually does so they just turned off their brains. Sad final match. Reminded me of CDEC getting dominated after PPD figured them out.
Don't forget this guys (both teams) were under insane pressure, both teams had some mistakes and because of that we could watch 5 games instead of just 3. Very solid finals, sadge no crowd made it feel a bit shallower experience than previous TIs.
I believe that TS lategame was pretty much better in a passive farm game. TB's insane armour, durability and solid damage with empower is something to be reckoned with. One good RP in lategame is a no chancer for LGD.
The first biggest thing that LGD does is never ever respect the Magnus that already thing that if you watching every singel team spirit match none of the big team respect the Magnus pick.
Second LGD try to gambling with lycan tiny strat against the spirit.
And third they just play under pressure like BO 1 match everything can happen.
Not at all, they have TB ember magnus vs Kunkka, Lycan, Tiny. Only tiny can scale into the late game well enough to deal with that. But once TB starts going he is unstopabble against a draft that is almost 100% physical damage.
They had to push the early game as quickly as possible with ench SW and Kunkka, but they failed tons of ganks because they have no reliable stuns. The draft was very weird on the support side.
@@hipotalamus I agree their late game was better but we've seen plenty of games where the weaker late game team gets control early and uses that to farm the items they need. Aeon disk for mag, ghost scepter for TB, lotus orb for TB/WW and giving Ench space to turn into a damage dealing semi core would have changed things a lot. Team Secret would have done that in this situation and maybe they wouldn't have won but it would have been a lot closer. LGD just went in super hard and reduced their chances of winning to about 5% with that first dive on the T2 tower. It just looked really sloppy.
Why the hell did they not ban mag?
A lot of great games this TI, and the storylines.
Kind of sad we cant have handshakes after the games. Corona sucks. Could have maybe had some bowing from a far or something. Pretty sure the players want to show their respect to each other.
Holy guacamoly. This is too fast.
Thanks for upload
did lycan really grief first game with those build?
When I saw the tiny and lycan draft, I knew it was over for PSG.
desesperate draft probably.
they forgot about TS already beat that draft strat.
One day i hope Ame and company can win one TI, they deserve it also.
Title should be "with Qojqva and Pieliedie", not Gorgc and Pieliedie
38:42 lmao Luna full healed with one right click
I can't believe weren't banning the Magnus
end of game 5, nothingtosay literally had nothing to say
Team Spirit - Well no donations for anchors as speacially zero for BSJ / Jenkins.
lul imagine picking rubik and blood to counter magnus after every team lost to it, and then giving them magnus in the final game with no counter.
TEAM SPIRIT THE DARK HORSE👏👏👏
Even the earth knew to ban magnus
USSR won ti who gonna know
1:25:25 here ame shouldve walked close up to tb and did the full combo. If tb dies here they have a solid chance to get the game out of control of ts.
ah yes, another youtube viewer telling a pro what to do, what a sight
how is he supposed to walk up close when tb is running away from him
@@richhobo1216 hit once with echo, walk closer hit second time. 1.6s of 100% slow which is 100ms on tb. The enemy team was busy dealing with lycan and kunkka. Im not telling him what to do, thats what he should have done. Otherwise the fight is completely lost if tb lives.
He woulda hit the illusion with the toss, was just a bad fight.
@@Andytlp he cannot burst him and he get sundered only chance to ame there to avoid sunder but he couldnt.
Bane and Magus.
MAGNUS is such A GIGACHAD
ppl be like "this is fixed,how the hell lgd lose that game 5 with tiny lycan??" wtf are u talking about,doesnt matter how broken lycan tiny is lgd game 5 are 3 melee cores against 3 bkb piercing disable,ember TB kite them and collapse magnus,look at the bottom clash tier 2 tower magnus kill skymage = team spirit win.tiny blink?? get hit by tb,cant chase cant run,lycan?? just a dumb dog running around,kunkka? grip him,problem solved.
1:36:30 Ah!
РА СИ Я, РА СИ Я.
ТАГАНРОГ ГО БУХАТЬ!
symphony of skills
I cant claim my battlepass reward 🥺
Team spirit incident despair
What a lame 5th game apart from the chance of comeback at the end it was over.
LGD just cocky not respect banning Heros
All of gorgc's talks/predictions are wrong tf even lmaO
psg lgd: we are ready for collapse picking magnus
chad collapse: hehe magnus funne
Does anyone know why PieLieDie called Gorgc "Steve" at 1:05:47?
AAAAA 1:36:30
really pogg!!
I was there Pog
Simple strategy shit tons of stuns and disables anyways wp by TS
РА 🇷🇺 СИ 🇷🇺 ЙА
Снг брат
Поднять щиты
hey guys
explains why og lost
BUT PIELIE HASNT WON A TI)
Poor Ame deserved better
wheres the video where spirit smashed secret? oh yeah right this is a biased channel
GORK SALTY KEKW
YGOD GIGACHAD
1:36:30 AHHs lmao
1:36:31 lul
lets go team bald ti11 champs
pieliedie?? really?? what a clickbait title. disliked.
Jodd
fake yatoro ? xd
I think team spirit was not that strong enough to beat all the top tier teams. Chinese dota community found lots of hints of that. LGD lost to them intentionally
all thos comment would e diffrent if ts lost. like ppl calling them good and all cuz they win. if they didn't would be flammed even if they won all the game in low bracket.just like nigma in ti9.
true
i like vodka
all teams tried to cheese TS with the Lycan + Tiny crap, and no one was successful. I wonder why they kept trying if clearly they figured it out...
Literal insanity.
shame gorgc
Hahahaha collapse breaking the dota game hahaha
this ti looks fake as lol
trash Rizpol strat on TI HAHAXD
rumors has it PSG LGD captain intentionally sold the last match to lose. Question is...why on EARTH would you do that?
Money. VP’s captain bet on team spirit one week before finals and had a 4.5x payout, imagine if you put 10 mil on it. Way more than you can win fair and square.
@@solo-ru8oi these people (TS) were winning their scrims against every team. OG winning was less likely but shit happens.People push through and overcome obstacles. Sorry for dismantling your salty look on life.
Maybe learn to stop talking next time when the commentators are commenting? I cant hear anything
nowadays can anyone win ti where are the old times valve always alter sups but carrys gonna take it all fame
First somehow
1st
Gorp casting is underwhelming