What if Zoro fought all of Luffy's Opponents?
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I’ve gotten a few dozen comments on the nightmare Luffy/nightmare Zoro point and I agree . “Nothing Happened” was proof enough for Zoro being able to withstand the shadows👌🏽
@@Nof-bp9oqzoro literally died after nothing happened but he still lived he can withstand 100 shadows
@@Nof-bp9oqyou have to realize, Luffy only got up because Zoro took both their pain combined while Luffy had to endure nothing
@@Nof-bp9oq That's very disingenuous. The first thing is you're disregarding that Zoro was already near death as Kuma stated before he took Luffy's pain. So to pretend that Luffy's pain was the only thing he had to endure is just not a fair approach. on top of that, we never saw Luffy freely get up from his own pain in Thriller bark, he didn't have to because Zoro took all of it and allowed him to get up immediately. Had Luffy been forced to withstand both his and Zoro's pain from the fight then he would have been asleep for days as well because it's far too much punishment for one person to endure and not have severe consequences. Using other arcs as precedence and reasoning to why he would take both of their pain together and get up no issue just doesn't make any sense because he never had to endure that level of damage all at once.
@@Nof-bp9oq he can’t withstand it he still died but lived and stood so give him that
zoro died but got lost to heaven bruh
Zoro was able to put his blade up to Bellamys neck before he even looked at him, if Zoro wanted to he coulda decapitated him.
Of course, zoro already had a higher bounty than bellamy and luffy literally only needed one punch
Oda wanted to save Bellamy for later in Dressrosa 😂😂😂
True, but it wouldn’t make sense to automatically assume zoro>. Bellamy wasn’t on guard for zoro. He was focused on luffy.
We all know Zoro would've turned Bellamy into Buggy at that moment.
@@axshnjxsn2571 you are absolutely right
I don't see how Zoro could outlast Katakuri's Observation Haki when even Luffy couldn't do it. Luffy dealt with it by advancing his own Observation Haki and using the unpredictable attacks from 4th Gear Snakeman, not by outlasting Katakuri's Haki. Zoro can't do the latter, and I highly doubt he could do the former quickly enough before he loses.
Now maybe Zoro still wins given Katakuri's poor durability if he's able to cut through his mochi and brute force his way to victory, but it wouldn't be by outlasting his Observation Haki.
zoro could not fight aktakuri what so ever. at that point in the story luffy was faster and stronger than zoro and has more stamina. and katakuri completely out classed luffy. if luffy wasnt made out of rubber and been able to eat all of katakuris mochi he would be dead. the same would happen to zoro because he has no way to fight against the ground turning into mochi if luffy cant do it zoro couldnt either.
I think luffy chose not to. I think he would have been able to based on his conversation with Brulee he seemed to be sure he had that option but didn't want to use it because he wanted to surpass Katakuri in pure battle power and not just win the fight
Important factor, yes zoro is durable but not as durable as luffy, yes zoro is fast but not as fast as luffy, zoro doesn't have the level of observation haki that luffy does and would have taken a lot of hits from katakuri that eventually luffy was able to avoid some of, im not saying zoro is weak at all but he definitely did not have the power to beat katakuri, zoro barely beat king and I'd bet a lot that katakuri is stronger than king
I can see Zoro having an advantage purely because of being a swordman. Katakuri's ability was shown to be used very similarly to Luffy, and Luffy's is much weaker to cuts than blunt forces. That being said Katakuri is still much stronger so it would be very close and Zoro would struggle like Luffy did, but that advantage could make it enough for him to have a similar result.
The whole point of Katakuri was to be a superior version of Luffy. He even took the gear 4 attacks easily. There is nothing Zoro at that point had over Katakuri if even Luffy had to evolve to beat him.
Nah man you lost me with downplaying Kat’s endurance. Bro impaled HIMSELF with a spear. That whole fight was about endurance and Kat being the tiniest bit below Luffy is wildly impressive.
luffy hadn't ate, kat really isn't that durable compared to what we've seen from people like Zoro, Sanji in wano even, kidd in wano, etc, like in retrospect, it's not that crazy when you look at the # of times luffy actually landed tbh .
@@justjosh5837 wano scaling is a lot higher than WCI scaling honestly also Luffy did eat it happened after sanji came back in fact he ate while fighting he had to exit the fight to go eat to regain stamina? While Katakuri couldn't Luffy woulda lost without brulee's ability to go recover his stamina
You could say katakuri had more endurance than luffy dude even inflicted a bigger wound to himself than he had inflicted on Luffy
@@jokechi8697 i agree with you almost completely, I just don’t think I have it in me to say Kat has MORE endurance than WCI Luffy. At the end of the day, Luffy was able to stand the ass whooping Kat was giving him longer than Kat was able to stand whooping Luffy’s ass. I feel like that’s not super fair to Luffy to say whooping someone is more taxing than getting whooped.
He only impaled himself after giving luffy a WORSE wound. Kat is a complete glass cannon, the difference between the amount of times he hit luffy to the amount of times luffy hit him is crazy, and zoro would need even LESS hits than luffy to take kat down. Not to mention Kat was GARBAGE with that spear, literally only hit luffy with it ONE TIME and that was with help from flambe. Kat was MASSIVLY below luffy in endurance.
Zoro isn't touching the majority of the people Luffy fights and it reminds me that why Luffy was fighting Luci so hard, because he knew if he didn't win that fight Luci WOULD just go and kill all of his friends. Zoro is no slouch, but Luffy is Captain for more than just the reason of him wanting to be one.
Exactly.. I don't know why people keep thinking Zoro is in pairs with people Luffy fought. Like no the one's Luffy fought are very very strong opponents.
Oda hinted at it MULTIPLE times that Zoro is seen as equal to Luffy. He is literally a creative trope of someone who could be king, but CHOSE to serve. So many characters think he is the Captain of the crew. So many characters fear him more than Luffy. Why would it so bad if an anime had a refreshing theme like this? Luffy is captain simply because he asked Zoro and not the other way round.
If Oda decided that Zoro was Captain from the start of One Piece, nobody would question that. Even without changing anything about the characters. And in my opinion that is one of the reasons One Piece is better than most anime. It does not shy away from doing something different. Its boring for example to see Vegeta always trying to surpass Goku and always being clearly inferior. Why not have someone equal just choosing to follow his friend, not because of his power, but because of loyalty and friendship? To me that is much more desirable and makes a better story.
@@FatManJackson First Zoro is only seen as Captain in the begining of the series because of Luffy's unserious nature and childish behavior. Zoro is the opposite that, someone you'd expect to lead. He's not seen as captain solely because of his strength, although it is debateble that he may be equel or even stronger than luffy before the time skip. Luffy pre-time skip is seen as some kid punching WAY above his weight and not taken seriously until he proves that he is someone who should be. In the Manga currently however, Zoro would never be mistaken as the Captain, because Luffy has far outgrown the boy he used to be. Zoro now a days isn't equal to Luffy. It's not a constent Luffy is the strongest on the crew.
That aside, Zoro wouldn't win most of Luffy's fights because Luffy either hard countered his opponents like Enel or overcame his opponents through determination like Lucci or creative means like Crocodile. Zoro doesn't have the ability to win these fights it's just not possible he doesn't have Haki and he can't take advantage of Crocodile's weakness as easily as Luffy could. Just like Luffy wouldn't win a fight with Daz Bones because he lacked the tools to beat him as well. Post Time skip it's debatable, but he definitely loses to Katakuri and Kaido.
@@FatManJackson stop
@@wolfhackzx thank you
The kataturi disrespect is insane. Sure he used future sight a lot and avoided physical attacks for a long time but he still had extremely good offence. Also he was easily able to coat all of his attacks in a whole different tier of armament haki. All of his attacks were very creative and something that zoro wouldn’t have been used to not to mention his ranged attacks are top tier and vastly superior. And I’m not even going to mention how his defence is still off the charts, he literally impaled himself with his spear and kept going.
besides imapling himself, he got damaged by base luffy and lost in less than 20 attacks, most of which were weak. He has bad defense, his observation haki is his defense.
Meat rider
@@0x6a09 watch the fight again kido, and don't forget the scene when base luffy was desperately escaping for his life
@@vipproducts2975 Yeah, because katakuri is stronger than base luffy, obviously.
@@0x6a09 That katakuri vs luffy fight was just not done well oda used post dressrosa luffy which biggest feat at the time is beating cracker even tho cracker is way weaker than katakuri and he made luffy look like a bitch and katakuri won that fight instantly his armament haki was tougher and stronger but oda pulled a plot armor bs and made the fight become in luffy favor at the very end
1. Unless he goes for the joints he's not beating Krieg since his armor was made of steel.
2. Lucci is not close
3. He's not beating Doffy Cracker or Kat
Ppl forget lucci was about to wipe the entire crew had luffy not stood up at the end
@@deadline6149 Luffy himself flat out said if he let lucci run loose he'd kill his entire crew
I think he bets Doffy and Cracker but you're about everything else
@@johnnyw329 he has no way to prevent himself from getting overwhelmed by doffy's awakening or cracker's biscuit soldiers.
Spot on. That’s the only disagreements I had.
i was confused about "katakuri running out of future sight"? he never ran out of future sight in the fight with luffy. Luffy just learned future sight and countered it with his own future sight.
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Yeah he completely lost me when he said that. Zoro is not beating Katakuri by any means. It's not even close.
@@shaunhester9281 current Zoro win, but dressrossa Zoro def loses
22:59 He didnt say he ran out of future sight fighting Luffy, rather he won using brute strength
dropped the vid immediately after that and came to comments. this guy just straight up a zorotard
Zoro basically trains all the time when he’s not drinking or sleeping and with the time between dresrosa and the kaido fight he definitely got a lot stronger I don’t think it’s fair to say that zoro is the same as dresrosa or wholecake zoro
@@jelly.d.dragneel1752 I agree that he didn’t go all out in dresrosa but I don’t agree that he didn’t become way stronger between than and wano there is a pretty big gap and he did almost nothing but fight and train in wano before the raid he definitely got way stronger in my opinion.
@@jelly.d.dragneel1752 i can se doffy maybe finding a way to beat him because of his intelligence but that's a big if i do lean toward zoro beating doffy still but with more difficulty than the creator implied.
Zoro's first power up from the sabaody reunion was when he learned to use advanced conqueror's haki against king. Except for the change in sword, zoro is basically the same from dressrosa all the way to the rooftop
@@pongpong123able4Enma is a pretty big power up, just saying
@@mokgethwammethi7022a huge power up that’s why they show how easily he cut the cliffs when he tried Enma out for the first time
Eneru's not skilled? Literally the only thing he was not skilled in was his durability. Everything else was impressive. He was smart. Excellent athletic ability. He indeed seemed physically stronger than Zoro at the time, as he overpowered him in CQC. Haki was on point, as well as DF control.
Truly a warlord level villain.
No, he‘s not warlord level, any decent fighter in the new world who has haki can beat him. Since he has skypiea luffy level durability they can oneshot him with haki, but they also need to be faster than him. Which isn‘t a big deal because even nami and usopp dodged his lightning
@@itslight8859 alright. Vice Admiral lvl.
@@axshnjxsn2571 You can‘t really put him into a level cuz he has island level attack potency, but his durablility is just small city level and he is just massively hypersonic+
@@itslight8859 😑 alright. It's time to be quiet.
@@axshnjxsn2571?
Most unbiased zoro fan
LMFAOO
Sadly, this is probably true as well
this is literally the most bias thing ive seen. zoro ahs now ay to win in most of luffys fights. most of lfufys fights are won because of luffy using his devil fruit in effective unique ways. not to mention luffy is massively faster and more durable than zoro and stil lgets stomped out by msot of his opponents. zoro would struggle in a lot off those cases.
He said Zoro could have an opportunity against Lucci, would beat Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri 💀 this is bias in its' true form
actually tho this zoro meatriding is crazy LMFAO
Enel had one of, if not the most busted forms of observation haki in the whole anime, so saying that the only thing he had going for him was his devil fruit would be a discredit.
Tbf his observation haki wasn’t all that good on its own, he used his devil fruit to make it much better than it would be normally, he says so himself
@@inlaidfir185 Bro had semi omnipotence over all of Skypiea. If you talked any smack at ALL in at least a *250km radius* he'd know about it. I haven't even seen people like Katakuri pull something like that off. The ONLY reason bro didn't solo the straw hats is because Luffy is made of rubber and legit isn't hurt by any of his worst attacks. Which also allowed him to hit him even though Luffy had no haki. If everything hadn't gone in Luffy's favor, Enel is soloing the straw hats pre time skip.
@@thebekfistmonster7838 that’s his devil fruit massively boosting his observation haki, he stated that himself
@@inlaidfir185 my point was that Enel's other abilities weren't being brought up, like how Luffy was only able hit Enel when he didn't think about it, having to rely on his fists ricocheting or Enel coming at Luffy head on. It never mentioned Enel's observation haki.
@@thebekfistmonster7838 yes, but that’s bc it wasn’t necessary, zoro loses no matter what there, zoro would’ve needed a rubber sword or something at that point to even damage him
Video was good until you said Zoro can beat Doflamingo Cracker and Katakuri, i don't know if you noticed but you used Zoro with enma that boost his AP vs Doflamingo not the same Zoro in Dressrosa, same goes vs Cracker Zoro's AP wouldn't be enough to take down all of Cracker's army without enma, last is Katakuri which i was shocked listening to your reasons, Zoro doesn't have the speed or the observation haki to keep up with Kat he would lose in the first 30 minuets like Luffy lost like 2 times and ran away. And saying Katakuri's durability or endurance is bad when he made a hole in his stomach is wild, we don't even know if Zoro can survive that, but yeah Zoro fans love to downplay Katakuri.
Ryuma's sword is far more powerful than Oden's in my opinion. If Zoro knew how powerful Shusui was and used it's full capabilities+Ashura , against Doflamingo and Cracker , he would win. I'm not sure about Katakuri though
@@megatudor2900ryuma is being called the god of samurai is because his formidable swordsmanship, not because his sword. Sure it is a strong sword, but ryuma's sword is made like a couple century ago, it is old and doesn't have special traits like Enma. Enma is a better sword, its just Oden is not as strong as prime ryuma.
Exactly my thoughts, and the reasons he gave were so damn weak. Zoro in that level there was no way in hell he would beat Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri would absolutely destroy him. Katakuri was even able to see Snake man’s attacks before they come and Zoro is no where near snake man’s speed. Plus I don’t know why some people think Zoro is as durable as Luffy. How Zoro will never out last Katakuri.
@@eightynine9510pretty sure shusui is only like fine grade or something
Zoro does beat Doflamingo
"He would have defeated do flamingo"
Aw HELL NO! I stayed quiet at arlong but this is ridiculous!
ONG SAME LOL
he can defeat doffy cuz if zoro didnt go all out and defeat powerful people imagine him going all out cuz if he 3x the swords he prob gonna be 3x stronger so if he defeats a top executive with ease he can beat dofflamingo with high difficuilty
@@mo_the_goat_1 Fr is doffy taking a billon worlds attack???
1. correction.
Enma doesn't pull out CoC coating, it only pulls out ryuou (ACoA). Not a single instance of it being shown to have pulled out conquerors coating. Also, it was clearly shown that all 3 of zoro's blades were coated, and he scarred kaido with all 3 blades as well.
I watched a Morj video the other day that was pretty eye-opening. Apparently, there's no real way to tell when CoC is actually being used besides being explicitly told, or a wave of people fall over, obviously, as the black lightning can be seen being used by characters that do not have CoC. You may think, well, it's when they're not touching each other, but Luffy starts actually making contact with Kaido in gear 5th despite presumably imbuing his attacks with CoC, not to mention Old man Hyogoro taught Luffy Advanced Armament, which allows you to do damage without making contact. I think this also indicates that imbuing with CoC and using Advanced Armament are mutually exclusive, and as long as you can imbue with CoC, it seems learning Advanced Armament would be purely situational and not a requirement, like when needing to destroy a slave collar or fight an opponent that may cause you harm by actually touching. I think it's important to advanced armament would be highly useful against Sakazuki, Kuzan, Blackbeard, and Sabo. Probably more, but those come to mind.
@@zekezeke7381 Ryuou would be useful against Magellan, as well.
@@Compucles Him too
If Enma pulled out ACoA, you don’t think it was gonna flow into the other blades? Two other blades were just gonna stay with coc?😂
He defientely didn't scar Kaido with all 3 blades lmao. We see one scar on Kaido after Zoros attack we see two after Oden because Oden scared him both of his swords Zoro only with one.
luffy only almost lost to lucci because the whole enies lobby arc is just a matter of hours.. zoro's in full health and stamina when fighting kaku while luffy defeated 2000 fodder navy(dont forget about them just because theyre fodder, the franky family plans to face those fodder to save the strawhats strength as much as possible and they really did it except luffy) plus luffy uses gear 2nd on blueno(which greatly exhaust him already base on what he said), almost died from drowning 2x, uses 2nd gear 2 times and gear 3rd,not to mention the mental stress of saving his crew(lucci always talks about saving robin or saving the crew who's fighting, he never catch a break until he sees them waving at him outside).. all of that accumulates and the reason why he cant stand up at the end.. all im saying is luffy could've defeated lucci easily in full strength while zoro, i dont know actually.. zoro have a hard time defeating kaku even though kaku definitely didnt know how to use his df(yes kaku is strong but most of his attacks are just brand new except the 6 powers)
in thriller bark, i think zoro can handle 100 shadows.. he accepts luffy's pain after all and not even pass out.. luffy however only passes out because of exhaustion not only because of 100 shadows but also overusing his gears again..
you didnt put luffy vs don chinjao.. hmm well chinjao may be able to destroy part of pica's body but i dont think he can destroy as big as zoro's attack on pica so yeah zoro also wins that
doflamingo.. zoro leave a mark on kaido because of enma, zoro doesnt have the enma yet in dressrosa.. yes zoro might win over doflamingo but i dont think its an easy win
wci, i agree that zoro may be able to defeat cracker, but i dont think he can defeat katakuri.. katakuri's advance observation haki is op.. i still think katakuri loss because he accepts luffy as his rival.. or atleast not until the tmelimit on wci (if the fight goes on there's possibility that he might win)
other than these ones, i agree on most of the things stated in the vid
The thing is, the difference between Kaku and Lucci in base is already double
Then Lucci also has a better devil fruit and mastery over it
AND also he is a vetter rokushiki master than everyone else with considerable distance
Its very much implied that if Luffy cant do it noone would
Zoro was't 100% when he 1v1'd kaku, before their fights he was fighting both jabura and Kaku together and with usopp, i mean sogeking in his arm, after that zoro could get into a 1v1 against Kaku.
Brada i dont think doflamingo can tank a billion-fold world from Zoro i mean u saw what it did to Pica. Oda was 100% holding Zoro back from doflamingo .
@@Stoick18 That was a haki-less piece of stone
Later on we see the ssme attack against haki coated Pika and it defeated him but it wasnt so crazy
Doffy has way superior haki
And its very unlikely for Zoro to even land a hit since Doffy can fly and has better observation
Hes not getting defeated by that
Luffy landed way too many hits to defeat lucci, slowly weakning both side durabilities. While the former is twice as powerful as kaku, zoro almost defeats him with one attack (asura). And yes, zoro did land more hits than asura, but none of these did a lot of damage to kaku.
Bro got meat riding down to a science
I mean I do respectfully agree, up until Doflamingo. The only reason he was able to damage Kaido like that wasn't just Asura. He was also using Enma. Enma was the blade that forced all his haki into it and Enma was the only blade that left a mark on Kaido during the rooftop, notice the one slash mark as opposed to 3. Also Zoro barely developed Conq DURING the King fight BECAUSE or Enma. Not to say Enma is the only reason Zoro stomps Wano. It's just that Enma was the trigger for him, Enma forced him develope better armament and even a bit of passive Conq. So on a physical level, yes a Dressrosa and Wano Zoro are similar. But on a battle knowledge and Haki ability side, Wano was the big trigger. A pre-Wano Zoro could not beat Doffy, Cracker, or Katakuri.
My thoughts exacly
Doflamingo isn't anywhere near kaidos level though. Led alone kings. Zoro wouldnt have the problem of not being able to cut doffy. Literally all Zoro got from wano was a damage buff, something he doesn't need to beat doffy OR kat since he can already easily damage the both of them. It may help in the cracker fight but even then it still wouldn't be nessecary to beat cracker, especially if nami was helping him like she was helping Luffy.
this guy is a zoro fanboy
I definitely agree with you about the flawed power scaling without taking enma into account impacting the outcome of a Doffy/Katakuri fight (he would realistically have no chance against them lol), but I don't think that Zoro would need enma nor better developed conquerors in order to beat cracker. Without Enma, Zoro could likely still easily cut through Cracker's soldiers at that point, and could utilize dragon twister whilst attacking Cracker's real body.
Totally agreed
In your katakuri section, you used the kuma thriller bark zoro scene to show his endurance, but I think that's more a show of durability from damage, not from the length of a fight. From what I remember, there hasn't been a time where Zoro has displayed a feat of high stamina, certainly nothing comparable to Luffy. He could not, and would not, have lasted nearly as long as Luffy did in that fight, and likely would have lost way before future sight ran out.
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Agreed people saying zoro is more durable than luffy are delusional.
plus future sight doesn’t just “run out”, it only stops if katakuri looses focus, which zoro wouldn’t be able to make him do
I mean Zoro did last longer against kaido the first time they all fought together
Zoro is luffy takes breaks in fights zoro doesn't
Everything was fine until doffy and Katakuri you was just straight up delusional with it luffy did good against Katakuri but if Kat was trying to kill him he wouldn't win, when Katakuri was trying to kill Luffy he did not watch him power up and he did not give him to much time to try and learn about his abilities he straight up went for the kill and he would do the same to Zoro.
naw the doffy one was fax luffy and zoro are alot closer than some think
@@Cplost.No they aren't Luffy struggling to hell and back to beat them, zoro isn't getting that cause remember all the people that Zoro fought were weaker than the main bosses which Luffy fought.
@@Cplost. Zoro was no where near Gear 4, and there is not a single evidence to show he was as fast and physically as strong as Luffy gear 4.
@@Cplost.No they aren't, Luffy is damn near 10 times stronger than Zoro, for example, Zoro couldn't even make kaido fall while Luffy was knocking him around onigashima
@@KingCalamity11Current Zoro easily beats Doffy
I don't see Zoro outlasting Katakuri, the only reason Luffy lasted that long was because he was quick enough that Katakuri's attacks barely grazed him, Zoro couldn't do that, he would be taking the hits head on and once Katakuri notices his durability and pulls out the Doughnuts it would be over quick.
I think the only way Zoro would win that fight is the same way that Luffy did, by making Katakuri respect him so much that he just gives up.
Also, I find it funny that the first person Zoro loses to is Buggy🤣🤣
Facts 😂😂😂😁😁😁
Nah i love zoro......but he ain't taking doffy and katakuri down...😂😂
Nah he could def have took doffy out at that time kata tough would be a high diff fight where Zoro would lose
@@ZeroWZMHow though? He couldn’t even stop the birdcage. Besides, scaling him to a feat 2 arcs away and disregarding the training he did doesn’t make too much sense.
@@TheHDTFilmsan admiral couldn’t break the birdcage and dressrosa to Wano is like 2 weeks in the one piece world
@@imcool9346 nope......it was around 1.75 to 2 months apparently!!! And Zoro also got a huge power up in the form of conqueror's which you may know was manifested through enma(another supreme blade) draining high levels of haki from Zoro!!!
@@xijingping4140 Zoro did not get conquerors haki until halfway through wano
Buggy L
Krieg L (how does he get past his armour? How does he deal with the gas without being able to stretch?)
Arlong (lol L, him shocked he survived doesn’t mean Arlong wouldn’t body him, he can break swords with his teeth🤣)
Mr3 (Lol L)
Croc (L, the fact we talking about it is disrespectful)
Bellamy (W)
Enel (Rolf L)
Mr1 vs Luffy? (Daz has the advantage but Luffy already showed he could break steel with his bare hands, W Luffy)
Blueno(Probably W, though Zoro could be BFRd)
Lucci(L)
Moria & Oars(LL, he’d be in a freezer somewhere)
Boa Sisters (L, Zoro doesn’t have the speed or force to beat them, he has no answer for the poison, or acid)
Hancock(he’d be a statue, until he became gravel)
The Minotaur (W)
Black Beard (L he doesn’t have the power to get through the physical force)
Magellan (L he doesn’t have enough ability to move around)
Marine Ford (he’d have died several times no notable Ws)
Hordy(Should be a W, unless he gets his bubble popped, Zoro’s haki defense has only ever wowed in a movie otherwise standard human grade)
Caesar(L,W would have no answer for the lack of oxygen but after seeing it would be able to using haki to finish it at distance)
Zoro is not stronger than Hidruind, he’d beat him but he isn’t lifting the Ton Ton fruit.
Doffy(Negs, Zoro has nothing to keep up with Doffy’s Ariel superiority, he couldn’t cut his string when the threat of death loomed over him, And when he cut Kaido with Ashura he was armed with ENMA, possibly the single biggest power up in the series to date)
Cracker (L can’t crack the biscuits, judging Crackers durability on him getting one shot by a version of gear 4 is disingenuous he took massive damage from continually getting put through mountains and forests at great force.)
Kat (LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, Zoro does not gain Kats respect and gets abused. Incredibly disrespectful)
Kaido(🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣)
Appreciate the work you put in the vid but this was the most generous Zoro vid I’ve ever seen😅
now this is accurate take. this guy a zorotard lol d ride him harder than the toxic OP fans
Krieg is not that hard. It's not like he was a full steel ball, he has a face. And zoro could just dodge under the gas like how everyone without a mask did, it's a one off attack.
I think youre watching too much of two piece bro🤣
Where was I wrong mate?
Krieg isn’t a fool nor is he weak, his defense is really difficult for that level of Zoro to get through. So a Zoro with no range attacks has to get through armor he can’t cut. People got under the smoke by being ground/water lvl, is Zoro going to be laying on the ground? Is he gonna jump in the ocean? Krieg can control the environment better than Zoro can and has the tools to attack him at range, it’s a bad matchup for Zoro at that point.
The zoro fanboyism in this video is near nonsesical.
How so lol
@@RoyNewgate zoro would not beat doflamingo, or katakuri. Crocodile would no dif zoro at that point in history, and even cracker if zoro beat him would be at high dif. Luffy IS stronger than zoro in all parts of history lol, magellan wouldnt be even close, Ceasar is not a fighter but zoro could probably fall to the gas.
At marineford zoro would be clowned by almost everyone there that wasnt an unnamed cannon fodder.
@@thestrahd I don't see why Zoro wouldn't take Doflamingo. Doffy's around Cracker's level of strength judging by the difficulty of Luffy's fights against them both. Everything else you said I agree with though.
@@someoneelse3456Cracker > Doflamingo because Cracker could actually take on Bounceman and Luffy was dominating Doflamingo hard asf with Bounceman
@@someoneelse3456Luffy needed laws help and a break in gear 4 and still barley won how the fuck is Zoro beating him seriously if you think for a second Zoro could your opinion isn't valid.
Ok this is just Zoro fanboying to the highest degree
How?😂
@@ZeroWZM Zoro ain't beating Doffy or Katakuri during their respective arcs lol even Cracker is highly unlikely
@@ZeroWZM bro he said zoro could beat doffy by comparing with wano feats which zoro got a huge power up in enma and was def training since the dressrosa arc so he would of got stronger and this isnt even including how fast doffy is compared to kaido who just tanks attacks instead of dodging
@@somefatkid2080 What exactly did zoro get in wnao? All he got was something that buffs his damage, and damage isnt what he needs to beat someone like doffy, he had plenty of damage to beat doffy already at dressrosa. We dont see him traing at all btween dressrosa and wano either so thats head cannon.
@@GiRR007he got enma which then awakened advanced armament to conquerors haki. Dressrosa zoro and wano zoro may be built similarly but wano was huge for him. Doffy aside he wasn't beating katakuri
Katakuri wipes the floor with whole cake ziti you’re crazy man. Zoro would not have been able to unlock future sight at all AND he would have died to the mochi attack that covered luffy.
You dont need future sight to hit kat you just need speed and zoro has that with attacks like lion song. And zoro does more damage than luffy so he would need ALOT fewer hits to take down Kat. Not to mention zoro and luffys endurance being pretty basically the same.
@@GiRR007 zoro in zou and dressrosa is not stronger nor does he hit harder than wci or even dressrosa luffy so how is he beating katakuri?
@@meteor2082 Zoro hits MUCH harder than dressrosa and wci Luffy wtf... Zoros attacks have always been more damaging than luffys. Luffy always requires dozens of attacks to take people out but Zoro only even takes like 2 or 3. And katskuri is a glass cannon, his endurance is terrible compared to Luffy and zoros.
@@GiRR007 dressrosa zoro's best attack power feat is slicing pikka meanwhile luffy is out here ragdolling doffy. Dressrosa zoro is also not hitting katakuri anyway
@@meteor2082 That's the best attack THAT WE SAW. Throughout the whole time skip we never saw Zoro use his strongest attack aka ashura. Literally we only saw it once and that was in wano. So logically if he uses it he's much stronger. Ragdolling isn't indicative of damage, luffys attacks always do that, even when he first fought kaido he was knocking him around and yet was doing literally zero damage. Mean while Zoro is the opposite, he never knocks his opponents around and yet does even more damage than Luffy.
I have a few points on this:
1. I do think that there are some fights in which zoro could win simply due to him having actual weapons.(On this I hop the during egghead or afterward in Elbaf, Luffy gets a proper weapon. Every Yonko so far has had one except him. It would open up his attack and defense capabilities so much.))
2. I agree that Zoro had high endurance, but he capabilities are dwarfed by Luffy's. Surviving Megellan poisioning, hormone injections, extreme exhaustion, multiple blows to the head or other vital points, and more. Since Zoro is a swordsman, he aims to not get hit in the first place. Same with Sanji due to his fighting style. However from many of Luffy's fights, there is damage that you can't just parry or dodge. It's in these fights where luffy's durability and will shine above others.
3. I don't think at any point besides one that Zoro was stronger than Luffy. I take this from Zoro's statement himself. He noted that he can't be under a captian weaker than himself. Otherwise, he'll take the captian role. He's very serious about this and it's echoed both pre and post timeskip.
4. I don't see the Kaido matchup being even close. Zoro can't truly use Conquer's like Luffy can. It was key to Luffy winning that fight in order to bypass Kaido's durability. Zoro did cut Kaido, but that was Kaido in his biggest form goating him on. The cut was still not as deep ans Oden and that's depsite the damage the other samurai did. Remember, Mihawk stated that the goal to be pirate king is far greater and difficult than becoming the worlds strongest swordsman. In the most recent chapters, Mihawk doesn't want to got up against Yonko at all. Is Zoro stronger than Mihawk at this point. I'd say that there is no way.
5. I don't think Zoro had the level of Asura attack he did at in Wano. If he truly did, he should've been able to just ignore Doffy, and cut the cage's wires instead. But it showed that they were too durable and he couldn't do it. It seems like every other character has developed and gotten stronger in their knowledge, skills, and proficiency post time skip. It makes no sense to just assume that Zoro would be the exception to that rule besides using a new sword.
First thing I disagree with is during the King fight Zoro pretty much mastered Conquers, how can you say he has not mastered it like Luffy. Luffy might be a bit better at it, but they are still relatively similar
Second thing I disagree with is saying Mihawk not wanting to fight yonkous makes him weaker and just because becoming the Pirate King is harder it makes Mihawk weaker? We have no indication of Mihawks strength other than the fact that he use to go toe to toe with Shanks, so saying Mihawk is weaker than Kaido for those reasons u stated are really bad assumptions. Just because Mihawk is not as motivated as others does not make him weaker.
Also how would Zoro ever know if he is stronger than Luffy? You think Zoro can just sense Luffy is stronger? So that also is a bad reason
@@NH-st2uh Response to your first point: Please explain how he mastered it, when he showed no reliable instances of using it before he used enma? Based on what we know people will usually mention if a person is using Kings haki. Even more specifically, Kaido mentions that only a extremely small number of people that have Conquers haki even end up people able to effectively use it in combat by imbuing it in attacks like Luffy, Whitebeard, Rogers, Shanks, and Oden have. King makes no reference to that at all, so we have zero confirmation that not the power of enma(a black blade with a will and power of it's own)
Response to Second point: I will agree that Mihawk not wanting to fight a yonko doesn't confirm that he's weaker. However it is something we can strongly infer. Pre timeskip and post time skip, he actively avoids getting into conflicts involving Yonko. The only reason he was at marineford was to retain he status, and even then he took every opportunity not to face Whitebeard specifically. I admit that there may be more to this related to his history, but I've always wondered if he's even actually the worlds strongest swordsman. At this we are at an impasse.
Response to third point: He knows the same way many other characters know. It's been shown many times that warriors or skilled fighters in One Piece are able to estimate the capabilities of people around them. From world government agents, to the some navy members, or many pirates. Why wouldn't he be able to gauge his strength? Especially since he makes the statement of Luffy needed to be the strongest to be their captain multiple times pre and post timeskip.
@@dragonhero14 I see what your saying for the first point, but maybe without Enma you can say Luffy is a lot more advanced, but the fact of the matter is that he has Enma, and just like Luffy has a DF Zoro has Enma, so that must be considered. Saying King did not say anything so it can't be fully mastered is a very weak argument with very little basis to it. For all we know Zoro is able to use a conquerors haki attack at will and thats all that matters.
To your second point, again Mihawk avoiding conflict does not mean he is weak, it just means he has no real reason to fight. You say strongly infer, but there is literally no evidence to infer on. There is more evidence to infer that Mihawk is Yonkou level, one: he was considered to be an equal to Shanks in the past, two: His bounty is almost that of Shanks and this is without a crew. (It has been stated if you have a strong crew your bounty will also be higher). I am not saying this is confirmed Mihawk stronger than Yonkous, but there is a lot more evidence for this compared to what you are saying. I am sorry your point about Mihawk is mostly head canon with 0 factual evidence to back it up. Avoiding conflict does not mean weaker.
To you third point. The only time people are able to gauge someone elses strength is when they are in battle or if there is a significant gap in strength. There is absolutely 0 evidence to show that Zoro can tell how strong Luffy is just by looking at him. Zoro said that statement because if he ever felt that he is significantly stronger than Luffy then he would leave. This is just another head canon point you are making that Zoro can automatically gauge how strong Luffy is, when there is 0 evidence to back this up.
@@dragonhero14 Not going to lie alot of your counter points to NH-st2uh are just vauge made up points that really hold no weight. You are making very deep assumptions with points that have very little evidence, so it does not make sense
I dont think Zoro's ashura at Dressrosa would have conquerors coating
I dont think he would be able to beat Doffy either, at that time.
I dont think Zoro can outlast kat either. Thats like saying kat wouldnt attack him? Kats attacks are so underrated, they would do a lot of damage
Theres no way Zoro can last 12 hours being hit constantly and outlast kat without landing an attack
yh i agree with everything except Zoro beating Kat and Doffy
Doffy i was kinda okay with, but katakuri? hell no. No chance in hell he would be able to outlast him
@@marfur9 I think if it was an equal exchange then yeah of course Zoro can outlast him
But in this scenario Zoro would just be hit over nad over again and he wouldnt land a single one
Saying he would just take hits until Kats loses because he just DROPS is crazy
Zoro literally took all of Luffy's pain and still was alive endurance isn't a problem mf can take punishment straight from hell and walk out relatively fine
@@nxthvn914 Brother having great durability is not having infinite durability lol
Theres no way he can just sit there and take attacks without landing one and still win
Zoro was so strong after time skip that Oda had to make luffy play catchup in Cake island.
No way in hell that Zoro had even a shot with Katakuri at that point. He'd be dead before Kat would "run out of future sight."
Zoro beating katakuri is crazy
He beat king and king is stronger than kat so I dont see why he wouldnt beat kat as well.
@@GiRR007king is not stronger than Kat 😂😂 what are you on?
@@haremo1009 Yes he definitely is. kat cant even damage king where as king CAN eventually damage kat.
@@GiRR007ok but kat isnt a tier below king lol. And regardless WCI zoro is NAWT yc1 lvl when he jus got there lmao
@@tastedivinefury2198 king doesnt have to be a tier above kat to beat him. And yes zora was commander level before Ennma, he got stronger after he got Ennma is all. He didn't JUST get there.
I agree with all of them! Except maybe katakuri, I think his futursight advantage would put him ahead, luffy only managed to even the odds after unlocking his own futuresight
Then you’re just as delusional as this blatant meat rider
I imagine that, if put in that same situation, Zoro could’ve unlocked future-sight the same as Luffy. It may not have been a guarantee, but I’d say it’s at least possible. Heck, he might have even unlocked Conqueror’s Haki earlier-on if he had to fight Katakuri. And unlike Luffy, I think Zoro’s Battle-IQ is slightly higher, while still being equally tough and stubborn. Besides future-sight, Katakuri’s biggest advantage over Luffy seemed to be efficiency and Battle-IQ, and in both those departments, I think Zoro would’ve fared slightly better. What I think REALLY puts Zoro at a disadvantage is Katakuri’s versatile Devil-fruit abilities, and the fact he already had all three types of Haki and extra-advancement in at least one. Overall, I think a matchup between Zoro and Katakuri would be 50/50, depends on whether Zoro can adapt and upgrade his Haki the same way Luffy did.
@@HaydenStephens515 theres no way. zoro has 0 answer to katakruis mochi. luffy ltierally had to eat his way out of the mochi to live. zoro has now ay to ebat the mochi attacks as they would just coat zoros sword and surround him.
@@HaydenStephens515 I stop reading when you said zoros battle iq was higher than luffy and katakuri who was a better luffy at the time this is the most dumbest thing I’ve heard all day in no way has it shown zoro has better battle iq than luffy who literally gets stronger in every fight and learns something new during fights, not only that his fruit shows how broad his battle iq goes the way he masters it in his own way.
no need for futire sight when you have huge AOE attacks
bros meat riding zoro so hard
Enel did not lack skill 11:03 . Enel had a solid mastery of his mantra, and had an insane mastery over his df. He was able to mimick an even stronger form of mantra. Was able to control a large area with his devil fruit, and melted gold to create spears and used his df to control a giant flying ship. If enel had armament and conq. He would be like, top 10
Zoro got lost again, this time into Luffy’s fights.
Personally I think that Zoro's asura and dragon twister aren't good examples to use as a win condition for the fights. This is because I believe that he heavily improved upon asura leading up to the kiado fight, this makes me think that it is unfair to use a Wano level asura as a method of defeating Doflamingo. This can also be said about dragon twister, which to my knowledge was only used in Wano, so it is unsafe to even assume that he could use this move pre-Wano. What I'm trying to say is that just because Zoro hadn't used attacks doesn't mean he could have, and even if he could they definingly wouldn't be as strong as they where when he did eventually use them (such as the Asura he used on Kaido)
Same thing I was thinking
@@logangd59 acc I thought it was only lt in enies lobby. Either way if he did use it in every arc then we would be able to see a clear progression and advancement in his techniques leading up to each arc, further catering towards my main point,
Dragon twister has been used b4 idk where y’all getting y’all information from.
Thank you lol. They video started with Logic till bro said Zoro beats Doffy. With what? The t wing with such videos is that defence isn’t flushed out. Zoro’s defence couldn’t handle doffy.
@@williamsodonon7081 there no way people genuinely believe zoro doesn’t beat doffy.
Also in the final fight we have to remember that zoro doesn't have the same training and knowledge as luffy, zoro doesn't even know that he has advanced conqueror haki, much less that he has advanced it with enma. And that he also doesn't have advanced armor haki, that almost the only way to fight 1 vs 1 with kaido is to have both advanced hakis.
For example there is yamato who doesn't have advanced armor haki but advanced conqueror haki, and kaido doesn't think of her like he does with luffy when he compared her power with oden, roger, shirohige, shanks. Basically zoro vs kaido fight would be a yamato vs kaido.And another thing is that zoro doesn't control his advanced conqueror haki, it's only thanks to enma that he can use it, but we saw that there comes a point where enma starts to have control of his haki, which luffy doesn't and that's why he could have a long fight against kaido before gear 4, it's like zoro has his own gear 4 which gives him a plus of power but also puts a countdown.
Doffy was multitasking fighting and controlling a bunch of people the entire time even luffy would lose if he was by himslef and doffy concentrated on him only zoro wouldnt even get close
all the people were set free
the meatriding is crazy
A few minutes for GEAR 5 and just finished the vid
Zoro vs Alvida= Zoro Win
Zoro vs Axe-Hand= Zoro Win
Zoro vs Moghli= Zoro Win
Zoro vs Buggy= Buggy Win (Devil fruit powers)
Zoro vs Kuro= Most likely Zoro Win.
Zoro vs Don Krieg= Zoro Win.
Zoro vs Arlong= Arlong Win (His injury to Mihawk makes him have a huge disadvantage)
Does stabbing work against buggy?
@@elliswebster7041 Pretty sure not. Otherwise Mihawk would have stabbed him at marineford.
bro is underrating luffy 💀
Good video, I agree with some points. However, some personal disagreements:
- Zoro would have been very limited against Krieg, because of his almost complete gold armor that Zoro can't slice, and at this moment zoro is not at all fast enough to outspeed Krieg and cut his head.
- Zoro couldn't beat Arlong in my opinion, even without injuries, Arlong says that even at his peak he couldn't slice his nose. He was impressed with his resistance to injury that's a fact, but saying Zoro would have been a problem doesn't mean he beats him. Moreover he beat sanji in form and almost finished zoro in 2vs1 without touching them (water splash)...
- We agree that Lucci would have beaten Zoro, but not in such a tight fight as you say in my opinion. Lucci not only has a dourouki almost 2 times higher, but also a carnivorous zoan devil fruit which is far more fearsome than that of kaku (giraffe). Considering what Zoro suffered against kaku, it's dead against Lucci. Besides, he himself says on the bridge that if Luffy hadn't held him back all this time, several of the mugiwaras would have passed there (indirectly he admits that he couldn't have held Lucci himself). So Lucci defeats Zoro with some difficulty but no more.
- Doffy defeats Zoro because he resists the Bound man and Law who are stronger than Zoro, his haki is inferior to Doffy on all three forms, not to mention his awakening which is hard to avoid when you're not flying... Remember that Zoro needed Orlombus to reach Pica.
- For Cracker it's quite complicated, but we can say that Luffy had more trouble against him than against Doffy, because he needed Nami to soften the cookies with the rain and eat them for the Tank Man (the bound man proved to be insufficient). Gold zoro at this time is lower than gear 4 as I said just before. I would add that Zoro hasn't progressed much between his post-skip return and Wano because, as you said, he never needed to surpass himself. So Zoro < Luffy Bound Man < Cracker (the level differences are still tight in my opinion).
- For Katakuri I'm not even talking about it Zoro had absolutely no chance, even Luffy was inferior to him he had the help of Brulee to escape then Katakuri pierced his stomach and lost his observation haki only because Luffy caught him eating.
- Finally, Kaido destroys Zoro in Wano. The Ashura form isn't something trivial and flexible like the Devil Leg or Gear 2, it's a power that transcends Zoro's limits. Besides he only uses it when he reaches his limit or strong emotional shock (kaku, oars, PX-4 and Kaido are his only uses) and he never maintains it for long, in my opinion it drains energy from crazy. That's why he couldn't use it at will against Lucci or Cracker, it's only a final resistance against them like for Kaido (besides Zoro says he's going to try everything for everything with Ashura and falls from fatigue after using it).
The rest is ok.
Well you’re whole katakuri thing is invalid but ok. Zoro beats ts out of him
nah zoro unironicaly stomps doffy
Lmao this is just an elaborate smokescreen to hide that you are clearly a Zoro hater. Your comment in a nut shell:
- Zoro loses
- Zoro loses
- Zoro loses
- Zoro loses
- Zoro loses
- Zoro loses
- Zoro loses
@@FatManJackson I'm just realistic I simply don't overestimate characters based on their badass side. I love zoro bro like everyone but you can't loose reason and say he could beat all of luffy's antagonists that even him could beat with everything he had. I have solid arguments so if you disagree try to be at least constructive and not just say "oh he thinks zoro would loose in these 4 situations so he is zoro hater lol i'm so intelligent". I agree with all other case remember that. If you can try to respond with some arguments please thank you.
@@strangemobile7567 you have literally zero arguments, hence my comment. You simply wrote "Zoro loses" with a bunch of expletives. Nothing you wrote is an argument that is true.
I feel like enel is a highly skilled fighter he was able to quickly adapt and beat a guy more than once made out of his natural weakness that he’s never even heard of. If bro came to the new world he’d be a yanko (great video tho)
Bro really said "when future sight runs out". Future sight does not run out, it only depends if the user is calm enough to use it.
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4 fights I want to adress: Moria, Boa Sisters, Cracker and Katakuri
Moria:
Some people are arguing that Zoro would have been able to withstand 100 shadows because he was able to withstand all of Luffy's pain, aka "Nothing happened.". However I don't think that's the case because willpower and physical thoughness are not the same. Luffy had already awakened his conquerors haki (which I believe to be the manifestation of an extremely strong will) before the timeskip, however Zoro only recently got it. Therefore I think Zoro would not have been able to take on 100 shadows and beat Moria at that time.
-> Moria still wins.
Boa sisters:
There were a lot of instances where Luffy would have lost if he didn't have the abilities his devil fruit grants him.
The two examples I can think of at the top of my head:
1. He got punched off the platform and almost died by landing in the spikes. The only reason he survived this is because he was able to stretch his arms and grab onto something to stop himself from falling.
2. One of the sisters spit poison at him at some point in the fight. That poison then produced some gas that spread across the whole arena. Luffy quickly got rid of it by turning himself into a balloon and blowing it away with the air that was stored inside of him. Zoro would not have been able to do the same, therefore he has a huge disadvantage.
Then there's also the fact that even Luffy got caught by one of the sisters while he was still getting used to their fighting style (observation haki). They wouldn't have let him go if it wasn't for his display of conqueror's. I highly doubt that Zoro would have awakened his conqueros's haki back then if he somehow ended up in a similiar situation.
-> Boa sisters win.
Cracker:
I don't think there's any way Luffy or Zoro win this without namis help to be honest. Luffy had to go into gear 4 to beat a single one of Cracker's soldiers back when Nami didn't make them wet (soft) yet. I just don't believe a dragon twister, which to me feels like an attack for fodder since the area of effect is so big, is enough to take out Cracker's soldiers while they are dry. He'd need to cut every single soldier down seperatly (with a named attack that is). Cracker would likely wear him down and overwhelm him with the sheer amount of soldiers eventually.
-> Cracker wins.
Katakuri:
Now this to me is a hard one. I feel like Zoro is a better match for Katakuri than Luffy was because Katakuri can't just look into the future and copy every single one of Zoro's techniques to counter them (just because that's not his fighting style.).
HOWEVER Zoro trained with Mihawk and not with Rayleigh. While Rayleigh taught Luffy all the basic types of haki and even demonstrated advanced armament and observation haki, we do not know whether Mihawk did the same. A huge part of Luffy's fight against Katakuri was Luffy thinking back to the two years he trained with Rayleigh and learning advanced observation haki mid fight. Zoro might not have been able to do the same depending on how much he trained (or didn't train) his observation haki during those two years. Now some people might argue that Zoro doesn't need advanced observation haki to win this fight but I don't think that's the case.
This fight could go either way to be honest but it seems like Zoro focused on these things during his training: fighting against the baboons, Armament haki and how to coat his swords with it, strength, sword techniques. Therefore my bet is on Katakuri. Definetly a really close one though.
-> Katakuri wins.
Bro u do realize katakuri is stronger than cracker right?? Lmfao Zoro couldn't touch katakuri when snakemnan was barely able to
The Boa sisters fight doesn't have to go exactly how it went with Luffy. Just because Luffy fell off the platform / got grabbed doesn't mean that the same things would happen with Zoro. I think most of his ranged attacks would've done the job to clear away the poison gasses.
I don't think the Katakuri fight would be particularly close either. Katakuri doesn't need to mirror Zoro's attacks, he just needs to dodge them, which is pretty easy with his observation haki. It took a long time to wear Katakuri down, and even then Luffy had to go to Snakeman. Zoro wasn't fast enough to outpace Katakuri's observation haki like Snakeman, much less after all the damage he would take while wearing out Katakuri.
How tf is Kata vs Zoro a hard one… 😭 Zoro is jus nowhere near Luffy man
@@jacobpintos6398you’re supposed to swap Luffy and zoro with the same scenario’s
@@tastedivinefury2198you’re letting common sense get in the way of what is meat riding to the highest extent
Alvidazoro
kaido>zoro
Awakened lucci=zoro (could change with more info)
Flamingo got that mihawk treatment😂
rename this video to “guy glazes zoro for 25 minutes straight” bro is delusional
I had zoro losing 50% of these matchups , what are you talking about?😂
@@RoyNewgate dressrosa zoro canonically cannot cut dofmaingo strings, he cant fly, and you used wano zoro post enma feats to inflate his strengh.
dressrosa zoro has zero answers for awakening and doflamingo just flying above him and scewering him, he cannot fly making this a slaughter.
cracker is the same but even with nami's help he wont win.
katakuri is the most egrigious one, zoro isnt as fast as snakeman to ever to land a hit on him
Literally where does Katakuri run out of future sight?
Zoro didn't have access to advanced conquerors haki until Wano, and saying otherwise is headcannon. Doffy outranges and outspeeds him and kills him with awakened strings. Zoro can't cut or blow away the cracker soldiers, as even gear 4 punches couldn't actually move the soldiers. Then Zoro literally can't touch Katakuri because of future sight. Zoro gets completely covered in mochi, and is brutally killed via suffocation. He has high endurance, but Katakuri can just overwhelm and murder Zoro.
Nice video, but in all fairness, zoro would get lost before the fight even begins
If Luffy fought most of Zoro's opponents, he would honestly be dead right now.
luffy broke steal vs don krieg he would 4 punhc daz bones, and everyone else zoro fought is miles weaker than their boss, what is kaku going to do against someone who beat luci with 4000 doriki
If Zorro fought Luffys enemys.......he wouldnt find the way to half of them. x,D
Uh, I highly doubt Zoro could even survive being suffocated by mocchi from Katakuri. He has a high endurance but that won't stop suffocation.
yeah katakuri would win and the reason ashura hurt kaido so much was because of enma and dressrosa zoro doesnt have it,just pure armament so doffy takes it
Current Zoro not beating Katakuri let alone Wci Zoro, he would get stomped.
Current Zoro??
Current zoro low-mid diffs katakuri
Current Zoro annihilates Katakuri💀
ulti scales feat wise above kata
Fax, Zoro not fast enough or have future sight to keep up with him he loses
Your forgetting that zoro had a major powerup between dressrosa and onigashima in Enma. Enma gave him the ability to use ryou which is why he was able to scar Kaido. Dressrosa zoro loses to doffy
Exactly, even if you argue he pushes him to awakening once Doffy uses it its done
Enma doesnt make Zoro stronger. It just draws out more Haki from its user. That is a misconception people always make.
@@GioHimonPro It doesnt make Zoro stronger but it allows him to do stronger attacks, wich is making him stronger, not by adding really anything to him just allowing him to do something he could not do normally
@@eloquitodelaesquina yes and no. It draws more Haki than it should. If Zoro is 100% fresh sure his attacks might have more output due to enma. Whilst if he is already on the brink of dying (Thats when he uses asura etc) it wont enhance the attacks output because there isnt more Haki to draw from.
@@GioHimonPro The way he spoke about it was not as if haki wouldnt come out anymore, he indicated enma would suck so much haki he would die
But still, that insane flow of haki is a tool to use in a battle, it makes him stronger overall because he can use his haki better
I think zoro would only have an issue with Einel.
Bro forgot hajrudin punched literal TONS of weight
Future sight doesn’t run out, you only need to remain calm to use it, you can overwhelm it with speed, which snake man did, using your own future sight also makes the advantage nearly nonexistent, zoro loses
*Then it's gonna be Zoro-piece.*
W video and I really like how this proves just how equal Luffy and Zoro were up until Gear 5
No
Luffy is/was stronger than zoro
@@chrisiendo yeah he is now but they were basically equal up until Kaido and Luffy 1v1 and even then gear 5 was the thing to make a big difference
@@chrisiendodef not was pre ts Zoro was stronger than Luffy even if it was a lil difference itwas shown multiple times aswell
How you gon disrespect foxy by not having him here
I think Zoro just uses the back of the blades and knocks Buggy out lol
The same buggy that already beat zoro? Do you remember that arc?
why are we ignoring things like doflamingo being able to to literally flow the floor in the opposite direction and summon a thousand rapid fire attacks on zoro, zoro can only use ashura once,
oh, what if he hits a clone, oh what if doflamingo literally just summons a birdcage thats extremely small and takes 1 minute to close, but it has the same strength as a normal birdcage, can ashura break that birdcage??? nawww, doffy has to win this one due to hax
Yeah Zoro aint doing anything to Doffy. Zoro cant fly, his speed and strength is lower than Doffy, haki skill lower. Doffy wouldnt even need to awaken his DF here.
And birdcage is hard to cut through that even Fujitora was trapped, Zoro cant do anything against Doffy.
What says Zoro can only use Ashura once? Your comment is perfect proof that most One Piece fans lack common sense yet will still make asinine claims with so much confidence. Since you clowns constantly need to be spoon fed:
1) Zoro only used Ashura once again Kaku because Kaku was KO'd instantly afterwards.
2) Zoro only use Ashura once again Kaido because he was already on his last leg after shielding everyone from a combined Yonko attack.
Neither of those situations imply that Zoro could only use Ashura once in an extended battle when he's healthy. Y'all supposed to be adults with basic comprehension. Shit's embarrassing.
@@shihoblade, Birdcage isn't an attack and neither Zoro nor Fuji tried to cut it. Zoro obviously loses but y'all arguments are completely void of facts and filled with headcannon assertions.
ofc Zoro loses to Doffy, he has nothing to deal with Doffy's awakened fruit but bro. Since when can Doffy create birdcages on command? lmao I swear it had to be created in advance or smth
@@Shark-hn4mv yeah, ur right fuji didnt cut it, he sent a full on meteor on it, thanks for correcting me
Lol stop it Zoro doesn't last 5 minutes agaisnt Katakuri. Luffy in gear 4 is far greater than anything Zoro is capable of at that point
Even now g4 is still immensely over zoro lol
Lmfao that luffy that beat katakuri got 1 shot by kaido. Zoro didn’t gain anything except for higher Ap and stamina drain. Zoro way stronger than your giving him credit for. Zoro with ryuma sword isn’t just suddenly leagues lower. When they equal grade swords.
@@lundoren5240"zoro didn't get anything other than higher attack power and stamina" what a nonsensical statement. How is higher attack power and stamina just "only things".
U have to remember zoro didn't put the wound on kaido on 1v1 solo. Kaido had to be aware of everyone on rooftop and while he was group fighting, zoro charged up and in brief moment attacked. That too was only remotely possible due to enma's nature. It would be impossible without it.
Even current Zoro ain't doing shit to katakuri, higher attack means nothing if u don't have speed or opponent is too fast to dodge your attacks. It's that simple.
@@ConfusedBear. lol you do realize how much weaker katakuri is compared to everyone now. The fluffy that beat him got 1 shot. Zoro endured a combined attack from Kaido and big mom. Zoro with shuishi would fight differently. But he also wouldn't have the draw backs of enma. and he is still strong enough to do significant damage to anyone anyway.
@@ConfusedBear. katakuri doesnt compare to anyone on rooftop and sanji man.
Damn bro skipped foxy😭😭
Deserved
The Zoro meat riding in this video is crazy
I was like, is this guy serious? Then saw his pfp💀💀💀
Saying that Zoro could defeat Katakuri is WILD
He could if katakuri screws up even one bit
@@conradthekingofcurses and katakuri would kill zoro even if he doesn't slip up wtf u watched?
@@ConfusedBear. Katakuri will slip up. He will get frustrated at zoro's endurance. Zoro can tank attacks for days from katakuri. Zoro wano durability with conqueror's coating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wci luffy durability. When katakuri slips up he's dead. Because from my knowledge katakuri absolutely cannot tank a koh conqueror's coating slash that can damage kaido.
@@conradthekingofcurses U r talking as if zoro have kaido level endurance. What gave u that impression? Bcoz of how he took damage in thriller bark?
1. Luffy in his physical strength has exponential increase compared to zoro since then. and it's bcoz he has devil fruit. Zoro as normal person has limit to physical endurance.
2. He took all damage luffy had but couldn't move after. While luffy even with all that damage was fighting till he run out of stamina, not bcoz of damage. Also no, zoro even after wano will not be able to coat himself in conquer haki like kaido bcoz even luffy doesn't cover his whole body. And luffy is way too mastered in that. Zoro may be able to coat it in swords very frequently but it means nothing if he is slow.
So yeah, u can't expect Zoro to coat his whole body with conquer haki like kaido when even luffy doesn't do it.
@@ConfusedBear. Even if he can't he would still tank katakuri's attacks for hours. If u put wci luffy to tank conquest of the sea for even a few seconds like zoro he would be dead for sure. Wci luffy was tanking hundreds of punches from katakuri. Now we can assume that wci luffy would tank wayyyyy more than base. So wci g4 luffy durability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base wci luffy durability. Now that same g4 luffy got one shotted by one thunder bagua. Now we can compare that thunder bagua to conquest of the sea. Conquest of the sea is one of the strongest attacks in the series so conquest of the seas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thunder bagua. If wci luffy even took that for a fraction of a second he would be gone. Zoro took that attack for 3 seconds max before he got teleported away. So yes zoro would most likely win due to him having incredible durability and endurance which would make katakuri get angry as an result which his future sight haki would go off.
luffy's undiscovered conqueror's haki and willpower was what made him withstand the shadows, Zoro also has Conqueror's haki following the most recent manga chapters. I think zoro would be able to hold the shadows long enough to beat oars and moria but after that he would not be able to fight
Luffy devil fruit played a roll also, zoro would have died
Never seen such heavy meat riding 😭
The only one I highly disagree with is Doflamingo. Yes we hadn't seen Zoro pushed to the limit yet, but Doflamingo was pushing Luffy to his limit. If Zoro was able to cut Doflamingo with that attack, he could at least have done something about the Bird cage. At the same, it was clear that the threads were too much for Zoro to cut. Zoro's feat when slashing Kaido happened after wano training which happened after the cake arc.
loses to buggy but wins against kata 💀
A counterpoint to the shadows argument you made during the thriller bark fight
I think the ”nothing happened” moment more than proved the fact zoro could withstand the shadows Luffy had to take In because Kuma makes it very clear that zoro had to take in ALL the damage Luffy took during the final fight which would include the pain of all the shadows being forcefully inserted into and out off him, so Zoro should also be able to do the same too given he was able to take all that (and so much more so realistically it wasn’t even like 10-15% of the full thing he took)
That’s a great point tbh. I definitely have to reconsider
@@RoyNewgate I was about to say bro, you're basically saying he wouldn't be able to handle the thing he quite literally handled. I'm glad you cleared that up cuz I was about to go crazy in the comments 🤪
Exactly west i was thinking
Yeah zoro's durability is surprisingly underrated and massively so at that. He had to tank all of luffys damage PLUS the damage he already took, which was enough to leave him nearly unable to move. The man just refuses to die
@@nade5557 I see what you mean but that's his endurance
Enel arguably has future sight, so he’s insanely good at observation haki no question. Anyone downplaying him for his lack of armament haki is forgetting how powerful devil fruit attacks like Law’s or Kizaru’s can be. Enel’s raijin avatar attack would probably hurt top tiers in the series.
The only fights i disagree with are the doflamingo and Katakuri fights. Zoro got a lot stronger in Wano and he had Enma. Zoro's asura wouldn't be nearly as strong as his Wano Asura. So it will either go extreme diff to Zoro or Doffy will win and for Katakuri I believe Luffy's stamina is a lot more than Zoro's so Katakuri's future sight would last longer. Plus Zoro at that point wouldn't be as powerful and fast as snakeman to land a lot of hits to Katakuri and defeat him
Crazy zoro meatrider
I believe in a Zoro supremacy
the glazing is insane
Without enma i don't think zoro can defeat doffy 😶
Zoro > luffy in Dressrosa so essentially zoro>luffy till gear 5 imo now zoro=
@@tomybest8962 i don't think zoro have conqueror haki in dressrosa 😶
@@tomybest8962 and i don't think zoro in dressrosa is more powerful than gear 4 luffy in dressrosa 😶and don't underestimate doffy 😶
@tomybest8962 Nah Dressrosa Zoro over G4 Luffy is crazy and it doesn't take G5 just to beat Zoro when Luffy was clashing with Kaido in base.
@@tomybest8962 what? xD? Luffy has always been stronger especially after enies lobby.
Luffy doesn't even need gear 5 to defeat him right now, base luffy defeats him mid diff. Gear 5 is like a no to low diff.
Buggy: 50/50
Kuro: Wins
Arlong: Wins
Kreig: Wins
Mr.3: Loses
Croc: Loses (Luffy beats Mr.1)
Bellamy: Zoro, one tap
Enel: Loses
Kuzan: Loses, obviously
Blueno: Wins
Lucci: Loses (Zoro loses this handily. Lucci is significantly above Kaku, and the story is framed so that if Luffy lost, Lucci would massacre the crew, Zoro included.)
Boa Sisters: Wins
Blackbeard: Loses
Magellan: Loses
Marineford: Loses to the main guys and beats the same guys Luffy did.
Hody: Wins
Ceasar: Wins
Doffy: Loses (Zoro has never been Luffy's superior. Doffy was taken down by both Luffy and Law, and it was still high-dif. Even if Ashura could murk Doffy, It wouldn't land. Doffy, with awakening, was able to hold off G4 Luffy.
Cracker: Loses (I don't think Dragon Twister is just throwing all the clones in the air easily, nor do I believe that is enough to break them when reinforced with arms.
Katakuri: Loses (Luffy had a stupid amount of plot armor here. Also, haki can run out. Despite that, Katakuri fought Luffy for around 12 hours with no signs of reaching his limit Haki-wise. The endurance strat doesn't work in Zoro's favour here.
Kaido: Zoro gets murked cmon now, King pushed him to extreme-dif.
Bruh zoro speed blitzed Kaido with Ashura. Zoro would bodie Doffy with Ashura
Zoro is folding Katakuri and Doffy. And he Low-Mid Diffed King after KoH.
@@kinglyambition26 Wano Zoro did, not Dressrosa Zoro.
@kinglyambition26 n died after that not even 1 min he stand against kaido 1v1 hahahaha
@DecimaarZ doffy n kata? Zoro not even have future sight nor he know he has coc at that time lmao, stop.meatriding zorotards
Great video!
Enel had a lot of fighting skill and also one of the best kenbunshoku haki seen in the series.
I'm gonna be completely honest, zero always had something holding him back in the east blue archs. I used to Genuinely believe that because of that, his feedback then were hinton to the fact that he was way stronger then luffy 😂
not "way stronger" but about on par I mean oda purposely nerfed him so he didnt kill luffys enemies before luffy got to them 💀
i think pts zoro beats luffy without too much difficulty until luffy unlocked gear 2, which is when the match up gets waaaay harder
all it takes is for luffy to miss 1 attack and he's losing a limb
@@somefatkid2080meat riding to the highest order.
@@dontworryaboutit5490 who exactly am I meat riding? Tf are you on about
@@hyperbroli6672 pts Zoro has never been stronger than pts Luffy if anything they were equal but after gears Luffy is always above
You didnt do Zoro vs Usopp, just would be interesting to see Usopp trying to outsmart Zoro in the same ways
Zoro would blitz and oneshot him because he doesn‘t have a close connection to usopp
Usopp only had a chance cuz Luffy wasn‘t trying
@@itslight8859where does it say luffy wasn’t trying he clearly was. He wouldn’t do it with zoro since zoro wouldn’t be so reluctant
Zoro would get lost
People get upset when u tell them zoro was likely stronger then luffy coming out the timeskip. No way doffy is surviving a ashura attack
Doffy kills zoro it ain't close
He can restitch his organs or whatever. They were pretty equal in my eyes
@@adinowen3343 Equal in terms of overall power yes, but if you switch Luffy and Zoro in Dressrosa the fights would be a lot more straightforward. Luffy would have demolished Pica without assistance and Zoro most likely wouldn't need Ashura to mess Doffy up. When Luffy hit him with that red hawk after Law switched, Zoro would have done far more damage if he had used a air slash.
@@adinowen3343restich??😂😂😂😂 zoro scarred kaido are u high that attack would cut doffy in half doffy durability is noway near kaidos in hybrid form as well..😂😂😂😂
And as he said, Cracker would be easy once Zoro gets close.
One thing people always seem to forget is that Zoro can get haki blooms mid fights just like Luffy does. It's not a stretch to say that he would learn future sight vs Kat.
Do you use premiere pro?
need more youtubers like you who aren't biased with anti-zoro agenda and read the story for what it is
Nah, we don’t need more of Zoro fanboys.
@@gromenteal2133 go outside
@@dalcndamn argument over
@@videoessaylover911he didn't reply because he don't want to argue with a kid
@@p.sashish3339 L
I disagree about Katakuri, his future sight didn't run out. He got emotional, that's why it didn't work for a bit. Luffy's attacks were also too random. I think that Zoro would have lost that fight.
Wci zoro 100% loses to katakuri. And dressrosa Zoro would definitely lose to Doflamingo. Think about it, Luffy and Law were fighting Doflamingo and they were still losing, dressrosa Zoro isn’t up to par with dressrosa Law or Luffy by any means
Yep for me zoro vs katakuri is violation , i mean Luffy because of his rubber resistance had the Time to learn but zoro would have die too 'fast , and also i don't he Can have futur sight . And for zoro vs dofy , he wasn't able to cut the string when Luffy in Gear fourth was able to overpowered it
@@Laphalafel luffy wouldnt have any rubber resist against the punches only the force of him hitting the ground or wall. haki as we know nullifies devil fruit resistance so the punch itself would deal damage to luffy.
Zoro couldn't cut bird cage and was struggling to do anything. He ain't doing shit to doffy. Doffy would play with him.
Very good Video !!
Even as a zoro fanboy. Katakuri would have wiped the floor with him at that point.
Absolute Zoro fan spotted
Well we are all a fan of someone lol
I mostly agree with this video. I think you were way to generous torwards Zoro during the Lucci section. Especially when we bring in Doriki like you did earlier, the gap between Lucci and Kaku is huge. For the ones I disagree with: Doffy. First of all you can’t compare Gamma Knife to Ashura. Two very different types of attacks. One is internal damage, one is just cutting. Second: Zoro doesn’t have the same durability G4 has, or the same AP. He is not dealing with strings the same way. And most importantly: mobility. Zoro does not have the luxury of flight, so once Doffy busts out the awakening Zoro is getting overwhelmed. Now Katakuri and Cracker. If Zoro cut the soldiers consistently then fine. But we don’t where is strength wise during this. Giving him that much AP to be on par with G4 is a bit weird. Especially sense Luffy was recovering most of the time by eating. And another thing: Zoros durability is not nearly as good as G4. If Cracker lands a hit it’s gonna hurt a lot. I’ll agree this match up is more iffy but I don’t see it. And for Katakuri: no. Zoro doesn’t have the speed. This one just requires way to much assumptions in Zoros favor. And for Kaido: you just made it seem way to close. Luffy is way ahead of Zoro this arc.
Crazy when you think about it
Luffy has never straight up defeated buggy in a 1v1
Orange town- Nami assisted
Louge town- buggy had him dead to rights but Enel sneezed and inadvertently saved luffy
Every other time after this the two were allies
its insane how neither Luffy or zoro were able to defeat The Younko Buggy 🤣
I should have looked at ur profile from the start
L take on Zoro vs Kat. lol, so bad