Ingenious piece of work. I suppose this technology can be considered for almost any application related to power, temperature and heat capacity management of liquid volumes.
so cool, you could get your hot water from a solar water heater too. I would love to implement a system similar to this to top off battery storage at an off grid cabin
Garrak there so many applications!!! This loop...why not something like mars? Or space or current combined cycles in power plant or STEG technology? We are doing experiments this year, and we may require employees to dress in steampunk and join this Patreon as part of the educational set.
...I've been looking to do something with a polished satellite dish solar heater and a flywheel energy storage system - seems like I just needed a little bit more Tesla, as usual
@@mattbarr2321 I have never heard of that, thank you for bringing it to my attention! I was only thinking to use an on satellite dish because you can get one of those quite cheaply - but I suppose, why not get an old rear-projection TV... I google quickly haha
I have a (closed)system I’m working on that creates a 450 psi differential pressure from the evaporator/boiler to the active cooled condenser (under pressure, so it will condense )the working fluid boils well below 0 f)working on the turbine/expander now
Interested in seeing the end result. Essentially you are emulating what happens in an steam turbine generating system but at a much reduced temperature. I assume you will use a small positive displacement pump to transfer the condensed water back to the high pressure/ temperature stage
This is a great proof of concept! At the conference you should add a generator so you can show this under a load - it will really give people the idea of how you can use a tank as a battery and water state-change as the fuel. It would be interesting to know how many watts you can get from a gallon of steam at a given temperature into a good vacuum.
There are massive restrictions in the plumbing.. Think air flow. The exhaust dead heads right into a T fitting.. You need full flow fittings. No right angles or T's, use radius transitions. It would be wise to make ur own from stainless tubing and fittings, use flare instead of ferrules..
back at the turn of the 1900's plumbers were considered to be electricians. transference of energy revolves around a set of basic principles. A good plumber who is worth his salt can find a solution to just about any problem.
Great video and congratulations on your hard work. I could see this working well where there is a source of hot water such as hot springs or areas around volcanoes.
Nice work! I'm building a steam generator and considering a tesla turbine. I've thought of a repeat cycling steam system that should not need to be stopped and re filled the water and can be left unattended to power a home with an auto feed wood pellet/shaving burner. Will be watching closely to what you do. Cheers J
Loved it! I had this Idea. What if you change the water with a low boiling point gas like ammonia+water mixture like the one they used in Organic Rankine Cycle power generation enclosed in a closed-loop system to improve the vaporization of the liquid and letting the vacuum pull it from the collector condensing tank system through a one-way pressure release valve for continuously feeding the system back to the source. Would it be possible and how long do you think it would stop or stabilize before all the pressure in the system equates?
Good question, I actually used perlite in this video, although haven't really tested it's true power yet. I really want to try your ammonia idea. With a improved Tesla turbine, with metal rotor, it's hard to say what performance we will get compared to this, I just know it will be much better.
Having researched fluids for this project, purified deionised water appears to be the best energy transfer medium due to its critical conditions for vaporisation. Ammonia seems like a good idea except its critical energy level is well below ambient temperatures
I just commented on another one of your videos, and then I saw this one. All I can say is DAMN, this stuff is awesome!!! It really makes me want to participate somehow.
Thanks! The best way would be to join our patreon. It directly supports our work and I consistently stay in contact with everyone there. Patreon.com/ienergysupply
@@iEnergySupply Quick question. Could you possibly make a metal disc, somewhat similar to a bicycle wheel with “spokes” towards the center, then apply layers of carbon fiber on either side encasing the metal wheel. Then possibly put that on the lathe and turn it down so it’s perfectly flat on either side, while leaving enough carbon fiber to still be the outer most layer and just on the outside edge of the disc. That should increase the efficiency of the discs for your TT because it has a better moment of inertia factor. Lighter on the innermost portion while being loaded at the rim more fully. I may be wrong, but that way you could potentially exceed the metals tensile strength because the carbon fiber shell would be holding the metal intact.
Awesome guys, just a thought, you most likely know already I made a single shaft the same way you guys have it years ago make sure that shaft is thick I had lots of balancing problems, vibrations due to the flex of the shaft spinning with the magnet load. The more electric load the more warping I got 👍
Hello, if you want to have a greater vacuum, you must change that square box where the turbine is, with a sphere or ball that can be opened in half and put the turbine inside. The ball will hold much more atmospheric pressure without breaking depending on the material. Well, I asked you a long time ago about what happened to hydrogen when boiling water, remember? Impressive everything that can be done with vacuum👋🏼
yeah, another problem was the large size, we made it smaller and inlayed the connections. It's hard to make something circular like that. My new chamber can take full vacuum without any issues.
3:20 This really helped part of it click for me. You’re using a difference in temperature, which leads to a difference in vapor pressure, which leads to flow.
there are countless technologies that are not used today because they are too reliable. For example, light bulbs are designed to wear out at a specific time, even though the first lightbulb ever made still works today and has constantly been lit for over 100 years.
Have you guys looked into teslas removal of nitrogen from atmosphere to create flame? You could then use the heat from atmosphere to boil water which could turn turbine. Small devices for each home would be sufficient
Interesting. If I understand this right, it's a similar effect to what powered the old fireless industrial steam locomotives. Instead of a boiler, you had a large, insulated thermos bottle filled with very hot water and a small head of steam. As the cylinders consume the steam, a partial vacuum is created in the thermos and a portion of the hot water flashes into steam, renewing the pressure.
very close, the entire system is in complete vacuum, it works like the criophorous system. We put a turbine in-between the boiler and the condenser. More clear description is on the way.
Yes, direct drive for a generator, but a transmission is not geometrically obvious. Planetary gearing from shaft to transmission looks like the best way.
@@iEnergySupply I'm doing a car conversion in my head, a discrete plug-and-play use for the Turbine/flywheel. NOW I see why the Bork Engine wasn't used. We have linear brains, and the geometry is harder this way.
This thing draws energy from room temperature water, by reducing it to a lower temperature? Does it require a reservoir that is colder than the coldest the warm side gets? The description in the beginning isn't clear about where the vacuum pressure is coming from when it isn't coming from the vacuum pump.
I love your work. I been trying to figure out a way for off grid renewable energy. This is how I found you. I want to run a steam turbine under vacuum to boil water around 86f and use a hot pool to keep running over night.
Stay tuned because we are extremely close. At this point, I think it will take more then 86f, but we haven't tested the vacuum stage with the turbine in cold steam yet. so it may be possible to run it at 86f
@@iEnergySupply Oh my, yeah that's a lot What about embedding them withing the disks that are already there? I imagine it's much cheaper to adjust the design to meet the market standard than vice versa... I'd suggest an iron core but then I think warping would be an issue. 'm wondering actually - how did you solve the radial tension problem? You're pulling some incredible rpms for what looks like, well, not carbon fibre disks... Is the fact that you've kept the disks so small in radius actually sufficient to prevent an unscheduled rapid disassembly? I'd love to get my hands on some frequency response data curves, too... the resonant jump at the natural frequency is quite amazing. Is that a property of the geometry, the fluid, its specific energy, or is it dimensionless? It would be insane if it was dimensionless haha
Hi again. Questions... 1. Can you simple attach magnets to the turbine and have coils in the casing to make it a generator. 2 to solve the too much speed problem for a standard alternator can it work just with lower psi until it's at the optimum speed or does that not really work. 3 balancing, I'm planning on making a metal one with laser cut parts stacked together. I'm using a thicker outside plate that I can drill to remove metal to get the correct balance. What's your thoughts on that?. Cheers J
So is the amount of energy required to run the vacuum pump included in the efficiency calculations? I presume once the vacuum is self sustaining it makes more power than it took to run the pump and warm the water...
Yes way more power. As long as you keep the tank warm and you don't have any leeks. The vapor pressure is also removed keeping the pressure in the turbine lower then anywhere in the system as long its moving fast enough there won't be any vapor pressure build up to clog the turbine.
I have vacuum formed carbon fiber disks for a couple of projects in the past. The stiffness for its weight is incredible, 9 inch disks could easily handle 80,000 to 90,000 rpm. The money to vacuform is cheaper than machining steel, also balancing is an order of magnitude easier due to carbon fiber being one tenth or so of steel. I could make some disks for you guys. Where are you guys located?.
Hey there Ben, do you think water will adhere to the surface of the carbon fiber discs like it does to stainless steel? The adherence of water to the surface of the discs is one of the methods of action working in the machine. This would be cool to see!
@@andrewselberg9173 water droplets stick to vertical glass surfaces so I think it would be the same. Also the mold surfaces are not perfect and impart any small imperfections to the epoxy/carbon fiber.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre The thinnest carbon fabric I have used is .025. There is probably thinner. Most layups are multilayered so the finished thickness can be varied. I have done layups as thick as .250". Once cured the parts can be machined on a fixture on a lathe to be identical and concentric. Carbon fiber disks weigh almost nothing yet are stiffer than steel. We would have to test it but I would think it would would be ideal. When the rpms get high weight and imbalance kills it. The shaft could be titanium, which is half the weight of steel, it could also be hollow. The whole assembly would have to be dynamically balanced. A 9 or 10 inch turbine at 90,000 rpm would be impressive.
@@sigmaforge5088 Sorry took me a while to get back to you but that sounds awesome!! We could easily exchange the disks on the dual stage tesla turbine, it has inconel end plates and I bet with a 4" rotor we could get 100k rpm! Can You get them flat? My gmail is notime500@gmail.com
If a magnet was added to both ends of the turbine shaft would that help with Balance? and with added coils you should be able to produce even more electricity from the same turbine. Im following closely with this project and I wish you all the luck and success going forward.
Love these kinda videos. Still looking for the invention from stanley meyer. Where he uses a round tube with coils around it, and a lazer, that shines with pulses into the tube thats filled with a magnetic.gas. the lazer pushes the gas around.faster and faster.
So, turning the water into vapor (by vaccum) all of a sudden results in BOOM, expansion of water molecules, like an internal combusion engine, and this is what makes the kinetic energy. Is it correct? I am impressed at your ingenuity by the way :) Have you tried to add a generator to the Tesla turbine and check the generated electricity when the system is loaded?
You got it! We got 1kw with a 3" plastic turbine with 110 psi compressed air and small nozzle input. With say 250 degree steam we should get around 6-7kw on our metal turbine 4" rotor and that is truly amazing!
@@iEnergySupply WOW I am speechless, I will try a similar Tesla turbine soon, Could I Include your cold steam technique? It would be amazing if we shared infos, I also am interested in clean energy, namely wind, as it is abundant here in the UK.
@@ahmedelshafey7602 Absolutely use the technology, and just so you know I didn't invent it, I learned it from nikola tesla. I just put the two technologies together like tesla advised.
I've been working on similar ideas. Mine also include desalination. I unfortunately had most of my equipment taken by the police cause I was building closed loop extractors for hash oil. Which is where my similar ideas sprouted from. I'd love to share some ideas and don't expect anything. I just want to see the oil companies fall. Man, this really blew my mind though. I mean, me and my roommate have been discussing whether or not enough energy would be removed to create the pressure difference needed. I didn't think it could. I was wrong. So in my idea I envisioned using ocean swell pumps and ocean water for my heart sink. Guess that isn't needed😆 Dude, desalinate ocean water that's solar heated. Then electrolysis so you can get hydrogen. Also a great energy storage. And with storing heated water, vacuum jacket your vessel like a dewar.
@@iEnergySupply In my experience pex wouldn't hold a vacuum. I switched to metal pipe. 304SS 3/8" cause I could bend it with a pipe bending spring. I think you'll need bigger diameter though. So you'll probably have to cut and braise. I also considered that maybe you are using different pex connections. I was using the copper clamp rings. Which hold pressure but don't do so well with vacuum. Maybe I clamped one wrong and that was my issue though also. But yeah, switching to metal pipe might give you the seal you want. In my closed loop experiments a perfect seal is absolutely necessary because the butane is flammable when mixed with air in ratios between 1200 ppm and 470,000 ppm. So when you get the system below the barometric pressure a leak draws in air. Making it dangerous. And when it's above barometric pressure it pushes butane out, also making it dangerous. Check out glacier tanks. They have a bunch of cool stainless stuff meant to hold pressure and vacuum.
@@iEnergySupply Also, have you considered a different working fluid? Ammonia is generally safe and accessible and it's boiling point is -23°F at 1 ATM. But you'll HAVE to solve your vacuum leaks. I saw another video, don't know if it was you, but the guy had ice form on the Tesla turbine/ pump. Which broke it. I do believe that the freezing point of water is problematic because of that. You won't have that problem with ammonia. Allowing you to reach much higher RPMs. And you can get the temperature so low on the exhaust side that it's itching to pick up heat from anything.
Awesome stuff. From what i have read about tesla turbine efficiency research the main inefficiency is in the nozzles. While the rotor it self is really efficient as long as you get the spacing and rotor thickness right for the fluid used.
So it enters the turbine as a steam and leaves as a liquid. Is that correct? Does this not do damage to the turbine because it uses disks instead of blades or because it uses plastic instead of metal?
@@iEnergySupply Thanks for your reply. Will it self sustain vacuum when on a separate shaft, or will you need to power the pump? Really interesting project!👍🏻
@@iEnergySupply yes very well I am interested in on- board systems for my small bus your research is exciting and brings this old man some hope for my life I would like you to look at some of Aaron Murkami's work.John Bendini, Eric Dollard,and others of their I'lk. , and their cohorts ,good geniuses like you! Thank you for your service to mankind,and the future.
Hello Jeremiah I have some funds to invest in your Tesla turbine project. Your videos are good and interesting but I'm afraid you might lose some things in translation. Everything is clear to me about the Tesla turbine and about the air magnetic bearings as well. Great solutions ... !!! What bothers me are the missing parameters is the boiler with "cold steam". I did not understand that in your presentation, except that a little pressure is needed for high speed. I would ask you for a couple of answers because in the whole process it is a very important thing as a fuel that drives the turbine. What must be the capacity of the boiler to be able to operate 24 hours a day and turn the turbine at 80,000 rpm? How much energy does it take to charge to full capacity? Would a more cold boiler steam be a solution to continuous operation 24/7 as an accumulation of energy that we can get from the sun, wind ...? I am also interested in the price of Tesla's turbine, tank and air-magnetic shaft? I would like, with your permission, to use your solutions and products in the final energy unit for small households that will provide electricity and heat of 5-10 kw. Congratulations on your intelligence, perseverance and passion to share your knowledge and time with other little people.
Very Easily .. A Small Generator With a Transmitter/Transducer in the range you which to transmit the power inside the box ... outside of the box would be a tuned pickup receiver to receive the transmitted energy ... Very similar to a wireless phone charger , it would also be highly efficient and effective .
@@thumperhunts6250 Hm... i believe having ac or 3 phase is still better, but instead of having batteries that kost 1 dollar per amp hour you get a cheap battery stored as heat. Like... heat is the wors kind of energy and if you convert that to usefull energy you are wining at life.
Is that peter lindemann ? I couldn't find any video's by him about this can you drop a link to his youtube channel if he has one ?Awesome stuff I'm excited !
Our Patreon is a good place, I concentrate on that the most as far as discussing everything about the project with everyone. You can also message me there as much as you like as well. My email is notime500@gmail.com
@@iEnergySupply Basically I saw the other video where you make steam becoming a frozen breeze...also while braking the turbine I think.. I was wandering, imagine creating energy with a Stirling Engine cooled by a constant stream of water, that stream could reaching really fastly boiling point or closely below boiling. Than I thought it would be very simple at this point to using it for a tesla for generating a small but conspicuous amount of power and than re circulating it below ambient temperature as active cheep coolant. Than I saw other videos mentioning that the Turbine can go with just 70° C and there are some beautiful fountains to cooling down the water even more... It seems like the paradise for Green energetic production.
It's hard to see through the condensation in the box, but did you hide a Maxwell's demon in there? LOL :)) Wonderful job, congrats!!! I just really hope you thought about business side of it. I would pay someone, just to be sure it's done correctly, because it could be really huge! I wish you all the best, wow!
Thank you!! Yeah the demon is turbine the shaft, they are really fast demons and they are really strong at spinning stuff in foggy boxes!! Lol Thanks for the laugh and the enthusiasm!
I can't seem to find it, I've been through hundreds of his articles i'll find it eventually and sight it in my videos. Although there are two specific articles he mentions it in, his comments about the vacuum are rare.
I think i have a solution for the storage of the heat. Sodium acetate which is is used in rechargeable hand warmers. They need to be taken above about 60c for the chemical reaction to take place where they change from crystals to a liquid. They are then cooled down to room temperature bit they remain as a liquid. The reaction can be reversed at will by introducing a tiny bit of crystallised solution and an exothermic reaction takes place. For the cooling bit you could use the energy for something that needs energy instantly to minimise losses. I think you should be able to recover nearly all the heat energy. There are far stronger chemicals but not ones the average person wants to be messing with such as sodium hydroxide which is extremely corrosive.
Very cool stuff Can I ask anyone who many know "Can a Ram Pump Closed system be use to drive a 1k small hydro gen ,Is tyhis something worth taking the time to build and play with??? Or will a closed system Ram Pump even Work?
ok iI am on it seem like at lest 50-60 % of the K/E can be taken from the system How you Burp the Air without losing the waste Water ? I have a few idea but like you said testing is building the Future.. if we could get a system 50 eff , we could easy power every B/M Build based on easy plumbing system no reason for this to not work based on the tech we have now...!!! "lol I think anyways" @@iEnergySupply
So let me get this straight: You could heat up water/ammonia mix using vacuum tubes on the roof send it to hot storage tanks, then when you need power*(1) open valve to telsa turbine which rotates powering a little generator on the shaft of the turbine which then outputs cold water/ammonia vapour that you could integrate into cooling/refrigeration then back into the vacuum tubes to heat up again or would it need condenser tanks? 1. Would the system be able to support powering capacitors which then feed appliances directly or would it have to be paired with an existing solar PV & battery setup? Very very cool way to store energy just think how much lithium/conventional waste would be reduced & how this could be rolled out very quickly all over the world, Nikola would be proud!
Be good to talk about a few things to help with your projects ! A man called Gerard Morin is attacking it all from a different angle but seems to want the same as you and I, maybe collaboration is possible ?
Interesting heat engine. Carnot efficiency limit is a pain in the arse, though. It applies irrespective of the type of machinery between the heat source and sink. Maybe you'll catch Entropy looking the other way! Good luck to you!
NOW I understand your vision. Think in one-way and pressure=temperature equalized valves and loops off of the main line, like a biological system. The pump is a mechanical condenser instead of chemical refrigeration. I had not solved the problem yet myself, how to keep ONLY compressed air on board as fuel in an auto and have the water recycled for continual phase change. A generator magnetically locked with the turbine could self-sustain the electrical system. And the pump is actually the compressed air in phase change. I will have to look at and think about how to incorporate it.
Time component math for eddy current loss in a generator? I think I did it. 360 degrees X 12 = 4,320, optimized for reality in rotation. Too much more and it loses usable torque. JUST like combustion engine power bands. Is this thing on?
@@iEnergySupply Look at the Light Saber video on my channel. The time component for optimized efficiency is why the power band in an engine is a mystery. If you think of the sinusoidal effect and geometry of the moving internals, the 5252RPM power band number I've seen for a combustion engine is the same thing, "eddy currents" in the vibration of the materials. The sweet spot is achieved and then a loss of scalable efficiency. Why? The weight of the internals moving under fluid flow vacuum actually reach a T=1 and then drop off usable power. I reasoned this to the weight and momentum of the internals being less efficient than the Bork Engine, b/c the Tesla EM-mechanical oscillator shape of the Bork Engine is sinusoidal, a DOHC is not. I glued rare earth magnets into rotating spool fishing reels long ago. NOW I understand eddy currents. Because nobody ever could explain math, so I did it to myself. 12 recursion are needed, the analog to the clock face. Power generation is at the transverse node that connects counterspace to space. Inside, 3D Pythagorean progression take place from 1D sine wave components. BUT they have a directionality to the output node. That is how time is composed from both movement and the exact physical description of the object in question.
@@iEnergySupply This is a translation job, even with math. Here is what I wanted to specifically tell you concerning the time component and lossless systems. If you give a perfect description of the magnet on the generator, and the field extension and geometries, then a time component of 1 can be achieved, giving optimum output at 4320 RPM per cycle. If the gauge symmetry is right, then a multiple of this number describes the rebound-pickup of the internals exchanged for a weighted flywheel. Could you see testing for a reciprocating effect on a turbine/weighted and vented flywheel with valve loop connection off of the main line? Encase the flywheel just like the turbine, but loop one way to make an eddy current so to speak. The idea is that the heat loss on deceleration is equalized into the flywheel chamber thermodynamically to increase coasting efficiency. If Tesla had a Hertzian mind, he would have thought to do this mathematically, but he was too overwhelmed with his internal vision. If bothered to do it, a fire equation would not be impossible. Inside power generation, the heat equation and solution are buried. Exponential scaling is scary. If the object and fields are precise, the time component must be this for the 3D internal-sinusoidal directionality to the output node, the shaft in this case.
Hmm... one way of looking at this is like a reversed refrigerator when the warm and cold side is connected. Instead of compressing room temperature gas into a liquid, dumping that heat and cooling the fridge with the cold side, you add heat to the system on the warm side, drive a turbine with it and then dump the waste heat out on the cold side. And the more efficent the turbine is the less heat needs to be dumped.
@@iEnergySupply a realy cool concept. can the hot and cold sides be connected and be left to free flow or do you need to pump it into the heat exhanger because of the over pressure?
@@iEnergySupply also. i had an idea that could be usefull. instead of incasing the whole of the turbine in a vaccum chamber you could just make an acrylic "hat" for the magnet that seals the magnet from atmospheric pressure and have the coils on the outside, or maby you could mold the coils into the acrylic. just a thought.
@jizburg Everything is below atmospheric pressure. I vacuumed all the air out of the system so as long as the cool side is cool and the warm side is warm it will run
no because it doesn't become ice under high vacuum until it mixes with atmospheric pressure, we are getting rid of the condenser with a sufficient exhaust stage.
Car radiator. this could really increase the efficiency of a car engine using the heat from a car engine. The car radiator is designed to throw away 50% of the energy of the diesel as heat. you are onto real winner... great work!
@@iEnergySupply just watching your wireless generators...how are they coupled... how have you made one turn the next generator ? it cant be simply monster magnets.... how are they coupled ? i utterly love your works guys.
If the system requires heated water to self-sustain, isn't the water being used as a heat battery and wouldn't that negate the notion that it is self-sustaining because it requires that external energy input?
Perhaps make it mobile use heat from your engine coolant use low temp. to cool intake air from turbo to injectors or carb.Watch out for carb icing,also maybe cool oil from engine dry sump oil pan(separate blow-by from dry sump and valve covers) perhaps re-burn that in aux.engine with Aaron's patented plasma ignition system, for electric coolant pump and oil pump,engine alternator.,taking loads off the engine. Maybe hydraulics for power brakes and steering. plus other uses also there's plenty of heat loss from the cats that could help also you of course know thanks for your wonderful work and intelligent engineering!... Good Men!
Testla had the right idea but metal an bearing technology are now advanced enough to make this design work !!! It's a pump a steam turbine or a fueled engine !!! Natural gas would be my choice with a cooling jacket for hot water or steam . Ceramic Bearings an wear hardenable stainless steel are the key !!!
you can boil water with a hose long enought to reach a couple meter up, and poor water in it ,it will boil ,,mabe this can be added to your system to start it..??
we have tried this with gravity and a big hill, we would like to experiment more with it in the future but for now we must stay on track to finish the off grid system.
To run low temperature steam below it's boiling point in atmosphere. It's technically not a boiler at that point as it never goes above atmospheric pressure.
Guys you COULD use a flux-switching generator for the power! You could see if Paul Babcock and Jim Murray's tech can be added to the generator and be able to switch at fast enough speeds in order to increase reactive power, just a suggestion, it's able to handle the speeds you can set the Tesla Turbine to. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_switching_alternator
Have yall ever thought about putting a steam trap on it that would keep all of the water out of your system. I know that it would destroy your systems vacuum, but look at my Facebook padge, and you might be able to find a system on their that can create your vaccum for you.
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I'm bit confused by the red pipes attached on back of the wall
Ingenious piece of work. I suppose this technology can be considered for almost any application related to power, temperature and heat capacity management of liquid volumes.
so cool, you could get your hot water from a solar water heater too. I would love to implement a system similar to this to top off battery storage at an off grid cabin
You are correct, this is a great application for the turbine.
Garrak there so many applications!!! This loop...why not something like mars? Or space or current combined cycles in power plant or STEG technology? We are doing experiments this year, and we may require employees to dress in steampunk and join this Patreon as part of the educational set.
...I've been looking to do something with a polished satellite dish solar heater and a flywheel energy storage system - seems like I just needed a little bit more Tesla, as usual
@@jimshepherd6500 there's fresnel lenses to consider too, renewable energy is so freaking awesome
@@mattbarr2321 I have never heard of that, thank you for bringing it to my attention!
I was only thinking to use an on satellite dish because you can get one of those quite cheaply - but I suppose, why not get an old rear-projection TV... I google quickly haha
I have a (closed)system I’m working on that creates a 450 psi differential pressure from the evaporator/boiler to the active cooled condenser (under pressure, so it will condense )the working fluid boils well below 0 f)working on the turbine/expander now
Awesome! I can't wait to see it in action, do you post on youtube?
Not yet, but I will soon
@@SuperEcotech upload if possible
Interested in seeing the end result. Essentially you are emulating what happens in an steam turbine generating system but at a much reduced temperature. I assume you will use a small positive displacement pump to transfer the condensed water back to the high pressure/ temperature stage
This is a great proof of concept! At the conference you should add a generator so you can show this under a load - it will really give people the idea of how you can use a tank as a battery and water state-change as the fuel. It would be interesting to know how many watts you can get from a gallon of steam at a given temperature into a good vacuum.
Thanks sandy!
Nice description~! What a great job you guys are doing, and what a wonderful piece of technology~! Thank you for sharing...
Our pleasure!
There you go. Moves on. Alone. Thx wikipedia.
There are massive restrictions in the plumbing.. Think air flow. The exhaust dead heads right into a T fitting.. You need full flow fittings. No right angles or T's, use radius transitions. It would be wise to make ur own from stainless tubing and fittings, use flare instead of ferrules..
All Great suggestions! Thanks.
back at the turn of the 1900's plumbers were considered to be electricians. transference of energy revolves around a set of basic principles. A good plumber who is worth his salt can find a solution to just about any problem.
Perfect for Geothermal Systems.
As Nikola Tesla describes :)
Great video and congratulations on your hard work. I could see this working well where there is a source of hot water such as hot springs or areas around volcanoes.
Also, solar vacuum tubes produce heat at 97% efficiency.
Nice work! I'm building a steam generator and considering a tesla turbine. I've thought of a repeat cycling steam system that should not need to be stopped and re filled the water and can be left unattended to power a home with an auto feed wood pellet/shaving burner. Will be watching closely to what you do. Cheers J
Absolutely possible, please see our new videos.
Loved it! I had this Idea. What if you change the water with a low boiling point gas like ammonia+water mixture like the one they used in Organic Rankine Cycle power generation enclosed in a closed-loop system to improve the vaporization of the liquid and letting the vacuum pull it from the collector condensing tank system through a one-way pressure release valve for continuously feeding the system back to the source. Would it be possible and how long do you think it would stop or stabilize before all the pressure in the system equates?
Good question, I actually used perlite in this video, although haven't really tested it's true power yet. I really want to try your ammonia idea. With a improved Tesla turbine, with metal rotor, it's hard to say what performance we will get compared to this, I just know it will be much better.
You can use Freon to run the turbine in conjunction with a heatpump its all explained here in this video ua-cam.com/video/GTPYecWuppg/v-deo.html
Having researched fluids for this project, purified deionised water appears to be the best energy transfer medium due to its critical conditions for vaporisation. Ammonia seems like a good idea except its critical energy level is well below ambient temperatures
@@iEnergySupply try a hydrophilic inner coating on the hot tank.
@@Dan-gs3kg would be a good test I think.
TY from southern Brasil, being struggling with the generator but now you open my eyes, ty and Jah bless !
Thanks, glad to help!
Friction and magnetic eddy currents are the bane of energy systems. Thanks man
Yeah, it's extremely important to minimize all that.
@@iEnergySupply I watched a UA-camr weigh and measure the strength of the magnets to get a correct balance
@@iEnergySupply Tesla was amazing
I just commented on another one of your videos, and then I saw this one. All I can say is DAMN, this stuff is awesome!!! It really makes me want to participate somehow.
Thanks! The best way would be to join our patreon. It directly supports our work and I consistently stay in contact with everyone there. Patreon.com/ienergysupply
@@iEnergySupply Quick question. Could you possibly make a metal disc, somewhat similar to a bicycle wheel with “spokes” towards the center, then apply layers of carbon fiber on either side encasing the metal wheel. Then possibly put that on the lathe and turn it down so it’s perfectly flat on either side, while leaving enough carbon fiber to still be the outer most layer and just on the outside edge of the disc. That should increase the efficiency of the discs for your TT because it has a better moment of inertia factor. Lighter on the innermost portion while being loaded at the rim more fully. I may be wrong, but that way you could potentially exceed the metals tensile strength because the carbon fiber shell would be holding the metal intact.
Awesome guys, just a thought, you most likely know already I made a single shaft the same way you guys have it years ago make sure that shaft is thick I had lots of balancing problems, vibrations due to the flex of the shaft spinning with the magnet load. The more electric load the more warping I got 👍
I had the same problem whit MI steel one it is destroy now :(
Yes we have upgraded to 12mm for 4" turbine 4" pump.
Tremendous demonstration!! Thanks for sharing this very timely energy conversion device!
Our pleasure!
You have come a long way working with partners looking back to this video im proud
Thanks! Did you come visit me at the shop?
how to remove the water in the cold tank? while system running?
System needs to be turned off for a moment. then re-vacuumed.
can you add a lubricant to the water or use another liquid that would act as a a lube to prevent corrosion ?
That's a good idea, even using oil and rubbing alcohol would be great!
Hello, if you want to have a greater vacuum, you must change that square box where the turbine is, with a sphere or ball that can be opened in half and put the turbine inside.
The ball will hold much more atmospheric pressure without breaking depending on the material.
Well, I asked you a long time ago about what happened to hydrogen when boiling water, remember?
Impressive everything that can be done with vacuum👋🏼
yeah, another problem was the large size, we made it smaller and inlayed the connections. It's hard to make something circular like that. My new chamber can take full vacuum without any issues.
How do you plan to maintain vacuum on a production system? Quality parts, I'm sure, but will some sort of automatic vacuum pump system be needed?
In a production system, you only need to charge the system one time, until you do maintenance on the system.
3:20 This really helped part of it click for me. You’re using a difference in temperature, which leads to a difference in vapor pressure, which leads to flow.
you got it!
I've watched this video many times now, congratulations on your successes! Thanks for sharing your research.
Thank you for your enthusiasm! No problem!
Seriously?
This is stupid. The vacuum vessel will fill up with cold steam and cancel out the vacuum
@@Ianarling As long as there is a temperature difference in the hot tank it will just flow to a condenser tank wouldn't it?
Uh huh. Sure. I love how this works better than normal steam turbines that have been used since the 1940’s.
there are countless technologies that are not used today because they are too reliable. For example, light bulbs are designed to wear out at a specific time, even though the first lightbulb ever made still works today and has constantly been lit for over 100 years.
Great video!! Thanks for posting this!
Thanks, The exciting stuff is coming soon!
I 💗U Jerimiah! I knew you would change the world some day!
Have you guys looked into teslas removal of nitrogen from atmosphere to create flame? You could then use the heat from atmosphere to boil water which could turn turbine. Small devices for each home would be sufficient
I would love to see some references on that.
Interesting. If I understand this right, it's a similar effect to what powered the old fireless industrial steam locomotives. Instead of a boiler, you had a large, insulated thermos bottle filled with very hot water and a small head of steam. As the cylinders consume the steam, a partial vacuum is created in the thermos and a portion of the hot water flashes into steam, renewing the pressure.
very close, the entire system is in complete vacuum, it works like the criophorous system. We put a turbine in-between the boiler and the condenser. More clear description is on the way.
Yes, direct drive for a generator, but a transmission is not geometrically obvious. Planetary gearing from shaft to transmission looks like the best way.
Yeah for sure, I've tried them all
@@iEnergySupply I'm doing a car conversion in my head, a discrete plug-and-play use for the Turbine/flywheel. NOW I see why the Bork Engine wasn't used. We have linear brains, and the geometry is harder this way.
This thing draws energy from room temperature water, by reducing it to a lower temperature? Does it require a reservoir that is colder than the coldest the warm side gets? The description in the beginning isn't clear about where the vacuum pressure is coming from when it isn't coming from the vacuum pump.
I believe it's possible, but it is roughly 175 degrees f in the video shown.
I love this man good job!
Thanks!
I love your work. I been trying to figure out a way for off grid renewable energy. This is how I found you. I want to run a steam turbine under vacuum to boil water around 86f and use a hot pool to keep running over night.
Stay tuned because we are extremely close. At this point, I think it will take more then 86f, but we haven't tested the vacuum stage with the turbine in cold steam yet. so it may be possible to run it at 86f
@@iEnergySupply will definitely be watching. Can't wait to see what's next.
Have you guys thought about making the disks out of a permanent magnet?
It would be really cool to get some custom magnets for that, but the tests would be expensive as custom magnets are almost 2000 dollars.
@@iEnergySupply Oh my, yeah that's a lot
What about embedding them withing the disks that are already there? I imagine it's much cheaper to adjust the design to meet the market standard than vice versa...
I'd suggest an iron core but then I think warping would be an issue.
'm wondering actually - how did you solve the radial tension problem? You're pulling some incredible rpms for what looks like, well, not carbon fibre disks... Is the fact that you've kept the disks so small in radius actually sufficient to prevent an unscheduled rapid disassembly?
I'd love to get my hands on some frequency response data curves, too... the resonant jump at the natural frequency is quite amazing. Is that a property of the geometry, the fluid, its specific energy, or is it dimensionless?
It would be insane if it was dimensionless haha
What’s the approximate water flow rate for efficient use of this setup? Not looking for anything precise, just a rough idea
still unknown, we tested for over a week on 3 gallons. it seems to use an extremely small amount of water.
@@iEnergySupply that’s incredible!
Hi again. Questions... 1. Can you simple attach magnets to the turbine and have coils in the casing to make it a generator. 2 to solve the too much speed problem for a standard alternator can it work just with lower psi until it's at the optimum speed or does that not really work. 3 balancing, I'm planning on making a metal one with laser cut parts stacked together. I'm using a thicker outside plate that I can drill to remove metal to get the correct balance. What's your thoughts on that?. Cheers J
I believe he is using springs for ballance. I would possibly use prime numbers in strengths/lengths for each spring
I am actually using rubber spokes now, with a more solid support but still very flexible. More balancing videos and my current innovations coming up.
@@aliksashka You are correct
@@iEnergySupply Are you talking about prime numbers, yes it is interesting, isn't it :)
Seems like the acrylic box is an unnecessary complication. Why not directly plumb the vacuum to the turbine?
Difficult to get everything sealed perfectly. In the future we will do it.
So is the amount of energy required to run the vacuum pump included in the efficiency calculations? I presume once the vacuum is self sustaining it makes more power than it took to run the pump and warm the water...
Yes way more power. As long as you keep the tank warm and you don't have any leeks. The vapor pressure is also removed keeping the pressure in the turbine lower then anywhere in the system as long its moving fast enough there won't be any vapor pressure build up to clog the turbine.
Absolutely fantastic
I have vacuum formed carbon fiber disks for a couple of projects in the past. The stiffness for its weight is incredible, 9 inch disks could easily handle 80,000 to 90,000 rpm. The money to vacuform is cheaper than machining steel, also balancing is an order of magnitude easier due to carbon fiber being one tenth or so of steel. I could make some disks for you guys. Where are you guys located?.
Hey there Ben, do you think water will adhere to the surface of the carbon fiber discs like it does to stainless steel? The adherence of water to the surface of the discs is one of the methods of action working in the machine. This would be cool to see!
@@andrewselberg9173 water droplets stick to vertical glass surfaces so I think it would be the same. Also the mold surfaces are not perfect and impart any small imperfections to the epoxy/carbon fiber.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre The thinnest carbon fabric I have used is .025. There is probably thinner. Most layups are multilayered so the finished thickness can be varied. I have done layups as thick as .250". Once cured the parts can be machined on a fixture on a lathe to be identical and concentric. Carbon fiber disks weigh almost nothing yet are stiffer than steel. We would have to test it but I would think it would would be ideal. When the rpms get high weight and imbalance kills it. The shaft could be titanium, which is half the weight of steel, it could also be hollow. The whole assembly would have to be dynamically balanced. A 9 or 10 inch turbine at 90,000 rpm would be impressive.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre I would need some drawings
@@sigmaforge5088 Sorry took me a while to get back to you but that sounds awesome!! We could easily exchange the disks on the dual stage tesla turbine, it has inconel end plates and I bet with a 4" rotor we could get 100k rpm! Can You get them flat? My gmail is notime500@gmail.com
If a magnet was added to both ends of the turbine shaft would that help with Balance? and with added coils you should be able to produce even more electricity from the same turbine. Im following closely with this project and I wish you all the luck and success going forward.
Why not make part of the load be something to heat the tank? Like an induction coil.
it would add more load to the turbine, and decrease the speed of the turbine just to heat water that is powering itself.
Love these kinda videos.
Still looking for the invention from stanley meyer. Where he uses a round tube with coils around it, and a lazer, that shines with pulses into the tube thats filled with a magnetic.gas. the lazer pushes the gas around.faster and faster.
Yeah, I'd love to see that too!
So, turning the water into vapor (by vaccum) all of a sudden results in BOOM, expansion of water molecules, like an internal combusion engine, and this is what makes the kinetic energy. Is it correct?
I am impressed at your ingenuity by the way :)
Have you tried to add a generator to the Tesla turbine and check the generated electricity when the system is loaded?
You got it! We got 1kw with a 3" plastic turbine with 110 psi compressed air and small nozzle input. With say 250 degree steam we should get around 6-7kw on our metal turbine 4" rotor and that is truly amazing!
@@iEnergySupply WOW I am speechless, I will try a similar Tesla turbine soon, Could I Include your cold steam technique? It would be amazing if we shared infos, I also am interested in clean energy, namely wind, as it is abundant here in the UK.
@@ahmedelshafey7602 Absolutely use the technology, and just so you know I didn't invent it, I learned it from nikola tesla. I just put the two technologies together like tesla advised.
Wish you and your colleagues all the success, you all deserve the best.
Do use coo space bearings?
I've been working on similar ideas. Mine also include desalination. I unfortunately had most of my equipment taken by the police cause I was building closed loop extractors for hash oil. Which is where my similar ideas sprouted from. I'd love to share some ideas and don't expect anything. I just want to see the oil companies fall. Man, this really blew my mind though. I mean, me and my roommate have been discussing whether or not enough energy would be removed to create the pressure difference needed. I didn't think it could. I was wrong. So in my idea I envisioned using ocean swell pumps and ocean water for my heart sink. Guess that isn't needed😆 Dude, desalinate ocean water that's solar heated. Then electrolysis so you can get hydrogen. Also a great energy storage. And with storing heated water, vacuum jacket your vessel like a dewar.
You got it man! Most important thing I've learned recently is the desire for very large inlets, and a larger pump on your turbine.
@@iEnergySupply In my experience pex wouldn't hold a vacuum. I switched to metal pipe. 304SS 3/8" cause I could bend it with a pipe bending spring. I think you'll need bigger diameter though. So you'll probably have to cut and braise. I also considered that maybe you are using different pex connections. I was using the copper clamp rings. Which hold pressure but don't do so well with vacuum. Maybe I clamped one wrong and that was my issue though also. But yeah, switching to metal pipe might give you the seal you want. In my closed loop experiments a perfect seal is absolutely necessary because the butane is flammable when mixed with air in ratios between 1200 ppm and 470,000 ppm. So when you get the system below the barometric pressure a leak draws in air. Making it dangerous. And when it's above barometric pressure it pushes butane out, also making it dangerous.
Check out glacier tanks. They have a bunch of cool stainless stuff meant to hold pressure and vacuum.
@@bakersfielddoug How well does the butane work?
@@bakersfielddoug do you have any videos of your experiments I'd love to see them!
@@iEnergySupply Also, have you considered a different working fluid? Ammonia is generally safe and accessible and it's boiling point is -23°F at 1 ATM. But you'll HAVE to solve your vacuum leaks. I saw another video, don't know if it was you, but the guy had ice form on the Tesla turbine/ pump. Which broke it. I do believe that the freezing point of water is problematic because of that. You won't have that problem with ammonia. Allowing you to reach much higher RPMs. And you can get the temperature so low on the exhaust side that it's itching to pick up heat from anything.
Wow!
Really Nice work.
Love it!
Glad you enjoy it!
Awesome stuff.
From what i have read about tesla turbine efficiency research the main inefficiency is in the nozzles. While the rotor it self is really efficient as long as you get the spacing and rotor thickness right for the fluid used.
Yeah the nozzle is extremely important.
What’s the difference between the Tesla turbine nozzle and the nozzle stator blades in regular bladed turbines? Wouldn’t they suffer the same loss?
So it enters the turbine as a steam and leaves as a liquid. Is that correct? Does this not do damage to the turbine because it uses disks instead of blades or because it uses plastic instead of metal?
Carbon fiber is our new material, also with the tesla turbine using laminar flow, wear on the disks are extremely low.
Brilliant, congrats on you guy's accomplishments
Thank you!
So the pump acts as a low pressure puller?
Fantastic explanation, I finally understand it. Subscribed.
Welcome aboard!
So is the Pump and the Turbine on the same shaft or no?
in this video they are both on the same shaft, but we separated them in later systems.
@@iEnergySupply Thanks for your reply. Will it self sustain vacuum when on a separate shaft, or will you need to power the pump? Really interesting project!👍🏻
What is the highest rpm achieved so far?cool! Maintains it's own vacuum! Can you get a clutch on it somehow?
my fastest periphery speed was 582 mph, but that will be easily surpassed.
@@iEnergySupply yes very well I am interested in on- board systems for my small bus your research is exciting and brings this old man some hope for my life I would like you to look at some of Aaron Murkami's work.John Bendini, Eric Dollard,and others of their I'lk. , and their cohorts ,good geniuses like you! Thank you for your service to mankind,and the future.
@@danpollard4210 Thank you! I know them personally, and ill be presenting at the next conference.
This is remarkable, God bless you!
Hello Jeremiah
I have some funds to invest in your Tesla turbine project.
Your videos are good and interesting but I'm afraid you might lose some things in translation.
Everything is clear to me about the Tesla turbine and about the air magnetic bearings as well. Great solutions ... !!!
What bothers me are the missing parameters is the boiler with "cold steam". I did not understand that in your presentation, except that a little pressure is needed for high speed.
I would ask you for a couple of answers because in the whole process it is a very important thing as a fuel that drives the turbine.
What must be the capacity of the boiler to be able to operate 24 hours a day and turn the turbine at 80,000 rpm?
How much energy does it take to charge to full capacity?
Would a more cold boiler steam be a solution to continuous operation 24/7 as an accumulation of energy that we can get from the sun, wind ...?
I am also interested in the price of Tesla's turbine, tank and air-magnetic shaft?
I would like, with your permission, to use your solutions and products in the final energy unit for small households that will provide electricity and heat of 5-10 kw.
Congratulations on your intelligence, perseverance and passion to share your knowledge and time with other little people.
did you join my patreon? I'm not sure if I responded to you already.
How can you harness the power from the turbine with it being in that sealed box?
Very Easily .. A Small Generator With a Transmitter/Transducer in the range you which to transmit the power inside the box ... outside of the box would be a tuned pickup receiver to receive the transmitted energy ... Very similar to a wireless phone charger , it would also be highly efficient and effective .
@@civilianspaceagency7106 Why wouldn't you just run wiring through the box? Its not like the box is actually thermodynamically isolated
Ill be demonstrating this soon.
I would love to go into this concept more and your absolutely correct, but for now I have my generator in my box.
That's what I'm doing :)
how can this be used?
Everywhere where you need something to spin, which is everywhere today, primarily electric generators.
@@iEnergySupply Wo with a big flywheel it can maintain a small load or would something like this need to be scaled up a lot?
@@thumperhunts6250 Hm... i believe having ac or 3 phase is still better, but instead of having batteries that kost 1 dollar per amp hour you get a cheap battery stored as heat.
Like... heat is the wors kind of energy and if you convert that to usefull energy you are wining at life.
..does it produce more than its own operation cost?
This is incredible.
Thanks!
Is that peter lindemann ? I couldn't find any video's by him about this can you drop a link to his youtube channel if he has one ?Awesome stuff I'm excited !
Yeah it's peter. I don't know if he has a UA-cam channel.
You guys are on to something! How do I get a hold of you to discuss more?
Our Patreon is a good place, I concentrate on that the most as far as discussing everything about the project with everyone. You can also message me there as much as you like as well. My email is notime500@gmail.com
@@iEnergySupply I wrote to you, did you get it? Thanks!
May I ask you a thingy:
Does the hot steam/water that goes in come out below the ambient temperature?
We will find out soon!
@@iEnergySupply
Basically I saw the other video where you make steam becoming a frozen breeze...also while braking the turbine I think..
I was wandering, imagine creating energy with a Stirling Engine cooled by a constant stream of water, that stream could reaching really fastly boiling point or closely below boiling.
Than I thought it would be very simple at this point to using it for a tesla for generating a small but conspicuous amount of power and than re circulating it below ambient temperature as active cheep coolant.
Than I saw other videos mentioning that the Turbine can go with just 70° C and there are some beautiful fountains to cooling down the water even more...
It seems like the paradise for Green energetic production.
It's hard to see through the condensation in the box, but did you hide a Maxwell's demon in there? LOL :)) Wonderful job, congrats!!! I just really hope you thought about business side of it. I would pay someone, just to be sure it's done correctly, because it could be really huge! I wish you all the best, wow!
Thank you!! Yeah the demon is turbine the shaft, they are really fast demons and they are really strong at spinning stuff in foggy boxes!! Lol Thanks for the laugh and the enthusiasm!
I can't seem to find it, I've been through hundreds of his articles i'll find it eventually and sight it in my videos. Although there are two specific articles he mentions it in, his comments about the vacuum are rare.
spectacular. Thank you
Thank you too!
Beautiful! 🙌
I think i have a solution for the storage of the heat. Sodium acetate which is is used in rechargeable hand warmers. They need to be taken above about 60c for the chemical reaction to take place where they change from crystals to a liquid. They are then cooled down to room temperature bit they remain as a liquid. The reaction can be reversed at will by introducing a tiny bit of crystallised solution and an exothermic reaction takes place. For the cooling bit you could use the energy for something that needs energy instantly to minimise losses. I think you should be able to recover nearly all the heat energy. There are far stronger chemicals but not ones the average person wants to be messing with such as sodium hydroxide which is extremely corrosive.
WOW!! Thank you for sharing!!
You bet!
You are next level Jeremiah.
You guys are awesome best of luck may be onto something of a breakthrough!
Thank you!
I think the box should be tilted on one of its corners like a diamond and the intake should come in the top corner and exit out the bottom
Now we have the exhaust of the turbine going directly to the outlet of the box. I like your idea though, it's just kind of awkward
So you are making more energy than you are putting into the system, heating water, pumping down to vacuum, etc???
not making more energy then we put in, just using extremely low temperature water to produce energy.
Very cool stuff Can I ask anyone who many know "Can a Ram Pump Closed system be use to drive a 1k small hydro gen ,Is tyhis something worth taking the time to build and play with??? Or will a closed system Ram Pump even Work?
Will have to be future testing. I haven't tried that yet.
ok iI am on it seem like at lest 50-60 % of the K/E can be taken from the system How you Burp the Air without losing the waste Water ? I have a few idea but like you said testing is building the Future.. if we could get a system 50 eff , we could easy power every B/M Build based on easy plumbing system no reason for this to not work based on the tech we have now...!!! "lol I think anyways"
@@iEnergySupply
@@scrosier6885 you got it!
So let me get this straight: You could heat up water/ammonia mix using vacuum tubes on the roof send it to hot storage tanks, then when you need power*(1) open valve to telsa turbine which rotates powering a little generator on the shaft of the turbine which then outputs cold water/ammonia vapour that you could integrate into cooling/refrigeration then back into the vacuum tubes to heat up again or would it need condenser tanks? 1. Would the system be able to support powering capacitors which then feed appliances directly or would it have to be paired with an existing solar PV & battery setup?
Very very cool way to store energy just think how much lithium/conventional waste would be reduced & how this could be rolled out very quickly all over the world, Nikola would be proud!
You can use resonance to heat the water
I was thinking about helping my boiler make steam with some kind of vaporizer. Any ideas on what kind I should use? Is this what you mean?
Be good to talk about a few things to help with your projects ! A man called Gerard Morin is attacking it all from a different angle but seems to want the same as you and I, maybe collaboration is possible ?
Resonance will for sure make water into a vapour !
Interesting heat engine. Carnot efficiency limit is a pain in the arse, though. It applies irrespective of the type of machinery between the heat source and sink.
Maybe you'll catch Entropy looking the other way! Good luck to you!
Thanks, wait until you see the new turbine in action!
NOW I understand your vision. Think in one-way and pressure=temperature equalized valves and loops off of the main line, like a biological system. The pump is a mechanical condenser instead of chemical refrigeration. I had not solved the problem yet myself, how to keep ONLY compressed air on board as fuel in an auto and have the water recycled for continual phase change. A generator magnetically locked with the turbine could self-sustain the electrical system. And the pump is actually the compressed air in phase change. I will have to look at and think about how to incorporate it.
Yeah you get the idea, I was thinking a simple pump from the condenser to the boiler with check valves.
Do you want to run it for long lengths of time?
Time component math for eddy current loss in a generator? I think I did it. 360 degrees X 12 = 4,320, optimized for reality in rotation. Too much more and it loses usable torque. JUST like combustion engine power bands. Is this thing on?
I am not sure what you mean
@@iEnergySupply Look at the Light Saber video on my channel. The time component for optimized efficiency is why the power band in an engine is a mystery. If you think of the sinusoidal effect and geometry of the moving internals, the 5252RPM power band number I've seen for a combustion engine is the same thing, "eddy currents" in the vibration of the materials. The sweet spot is achieved and then a loss of scalable efficiency. Why? The weight of the internals moving under fluid flow vacuum actually reach a T=1 and then drop off usable power. I reasoned this to the weight and momentum of the internals being less efficient than the Bork Engine, b/c the Tesla EM-mechanical oscillator shape of the Bork Engine is sinusoidal, a DOHC is not.
I glued rare earth magnets into rotating spool fishing reels long ago. NOW I understand eddy currents. Because nobody ever could explain math, so I did it to myself. 12 recursion are needed, the analog to the clock face. Power generation is at the transverse node that connects counterspace to space. Inside, 3D Pythagorean progression take place from 1D sine wave components. BUT they have a directionality to the output node. That is how time is composed from both movement and the exact physical description of the object in question.
@@iEnergySupply This is a translation job, even with math. Here is what I wanted to specifically tell you concerning the time component and lossless systems. If you give a perfect description of the magnet on the generator, and the field extension and geometries, then a time component of 1 can be achieved, giving optimum output at 4320 RPM per cycle. If the gauge symmetry is right, then a multiple of this number describes the rebound-pickup of the internals exchanged for a weighted flywheel. Could you see testing for a reciprocating effect on a turbine/weighted and vented flywheel with valve loop connection off of the main line? Encase the flywheel just like the turbine, but loop one way to make an eddy current so to speak. The idea is that the heat loss on deceleration is equalized into the flywheel chamber thermodynamically to increase coasting efficiency.
If Tesla had a Hertzian mind, he would have thought to do this mathematically, but he was too overwhelmed with his internal vision. If bothered to do it, a fire equation would not be impossible. Inside power generation, the heat equation and solution are buried. Exponential scaling is scary. If the object and fields are precise, the time component must be this for the 3D internal-sinusoidal directionality to the output node, the shaft in this case.
Oh I'm In love 😍😍😍😍
The bearing will need replacing from time to time im guessing :)
Would carbon fibre rotors be beneficial?
We are making them now :) See our latest test where we achieve 150000 rpm with a three inch rotor.
Hmm... one way of looking at this is like a reversed refrigerator when the warm and cold side is connected.
Instead of compressing room temperature gas into a liquid, dumping that heat and cooling the fridge with the cold side, you add heat to the system on the warm side, drive a turbine with it and then dump the waste heat out on the cold side.
And the more efficent the turbine is the less heat needs to be dumped.
exactly :)
@@iEnergySupply a realy cool concept. can the hot and cold sides be connected and be left to free flow or do you need to pump it into the heat exhanger because of the over pressure?
@@iEnergySupply also. i had an idea that could be usefull. instead of incasing the whole of the turbine in a vaccum chamber you could just make an acrylic "hat" for the magnet that seals the magnet from atmospheric pressure and have the coils on the outside, or maby you could mold the coils into the acrylic.
just a thought.
@@jizburg I actually have this in my new design🙂
@jizburg Everything is below atmospheric pressure. I vacuumed all the air out of the system so as long as the cool side is cool and the warm side is warm it will run
is ice an issue under a vacuum ?
no because it doesn't become ice under high vacuum until it mixes with atmospheric pressure, we are getting rid of the condenser with a sufficient exhaust stage.
Car radiator. this could really increase the efficiency of a car engine using the heat from a car engine. The car radiator is designed to throw away 50% of the energy of the diesel as heat.
you are onto real winner... great work!
Thank you, yeah that's a future project for sure.
@@iEnergySupply just watching your wireless generators...how are they coupled... how have you made one turn the next generator ? it cant be simply monster magnets.... how are they coupled ? i utterly love your works guys.
Look into some of Testlas high speed ac generators !!!
So, when will you make one of these Turbines out of forged aircraft grade Titanium and test it to failure for us?
It may not be needed as carbon fiber is a much better material for weight to strength. our fastest speed with a 3 inch rotor is 150000 rpm.
@@iEnergySupply How fast is the tip of the rotor going? Mach 1? Have you tried larger rotors to get higher Mach numbers?
@@iEnergySupply Titanium is more ductile than CF. Unless you solve for vibration titanium should be more forgiving.
If the pump doesn’t take much energy y not use common shaft and use a bit of power you’ve made???
If the system requires heated water to self-sustain, isn't the water being used as a heat battery and wouldn't that negate the notion that it is self-sustaining because it requires that external energy input?
The heat energy can be from nearly any source, including the earth, It's inexhaustible. I don't know what to call it.
Self sustaining is referring to the fact that it maintains the vacuum on its own once it’s primed. That is a remarkable achievement
Very good.
Thanks! Cheers!
Perhaps make it mobile use heat from your engine coolant use low temp. to cool intake air from turbo to injectors or carb.Watch out for carb icing,also maybe cool oil from engine dry sump oil pan(separate blow-by from dry sump and valve covers) perhaps re-burn that in aux.engine with Aaron's patented plasma ignition system, for electric coolant pump and oil pump,engine alternator.,taking loads off the engine. Maybe hydraulics for power brakes and steering. plus other uses also there's plenty of heat loss from the cats that could help also you of course know thanks for your wonderful work and intelligent engineering!... Good Men!
Thanks Dan, all good suggestions, I hope to one day get to them all.
I can't help thinking about Einstein refrigeration to add efficiency to this as a caloric amplifer. It needs absorption.
Testla had the right idea but metal an bearing technology are now advanced enough to make this design work !!!
It's a pump a steam turbine or a fueled engine !!!
Natural gas would be my choice with a cooling jacket for hot water or steam .
Ceramic Bearings an wear hardenable stainless steel are the key !!!
Microfarming condensation. Sound like we should have been running on geothermal energy a long time ago.
Fantastic !!!
Thank you! Cheers!
If you believe the "cold" side is not necessary, what about replacing it with a condenser as in distillation..
you can boil water with a hose long enought to reach a couple meter up, and poor water in it ,it will boil ,,mabe this can be added to your system to start it..??
we have tried this with gravity and a big hill, we would like to experiment more with it in the future but for now we must stay on track to finish the off grid system.
Ok,so the turbine is spinning! And so what? Sorry, i am not technical, so, what is the purpose or the practical application of this "Tesla" turbine ??
To run low temperature steam below it's boiling point in atmosphere. It's technically not a boiler at that point as it never goes above atmospheric pressure.
Would it be even possible Tesla turbines to power a Tesla car?
Absolutely, Ill be working on the pulse jet for the turbine soon.
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a year later i'm watching this again.
Thanks for coming back!
@@iEnergySupply ill keep coming back
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Guys you COULD use a flux-switching generator for the power!
You could see if Paul Babcock and Jim Murray's tech can be added to the generator and be able to switch at fast enough speeds in order to increase reactive power, just a suggestion, it's able to handle the speeds you can set the Tesla Turbine to.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_switching_alternator
Thank you, I recently talked to Paul Babcock about the system, he said the same thing about the generator.
@@iEnergySupply What exactly did he say?
And what were his exact inputs on the flux switching alternator?
Have yall ever thought about putting a steam trap on it that would keep all of the water out of your system. I know that it would destroy your systems vacuum, but look at my Facebook padge, and you might be able to find a system on their that can create your vaccum for you.
I'd love to check it out, do you have a link? Not sure what you mean by steam trap.
@@iEnergySupply www.tlv.com/global/US/steam-theory/what-is-a-steam-trap.html#:~:text=Steam%20traps%20are%20a%20type,driving%20force%20for%20mechanical%20power.
This would be cool applied to a gyroscope. 👍