This format is PERFECT- thank you! Please always do them this way! Would love to screenshot a chart that shows an S tier “only if melee or non-vats, etc”
The armor mod version of this video is the one i really want, not using most of my 4 star armor mods until i know all the little details of how they all truly work, till then they staying in my stash box.
So real, I am literally, just trading and waiting before I even bother buying or using any 4 star mod boxes, and I am very glad I did wait, since I was going to try conductors to make a VATS build, and thankfully Angry Turtle made this video, likely saving me a glowing mask or more. Real shame Bethesda can't make a proper description, but better safe than sorry
Reflective is S tier - Do not sleep on this one - When equipped (Full set 5 pcs) and paired with a Vampires weapon you will be invincible (except for ultracite mole miner 🤣)
Been wondering which ones to look out for. A friend of mine has two pyromaniacs, one in his cremator and one on his holy fire and they both absolutely decimate everything.
I'm using it on my vampire .50 explosive gun, and I can tell you're 100% right, the radius is so huge it cover all the drill zone, so you take the aggro and while reloading, the ennemies can't attack, just love it
@adam-ip3xe I mean, first of all tesla isn't a "dps" weapon, so I'm only using it in situations with a lot of mobs. Which I generally want some CC for. It also works through walls, so at events like. radiation rumble, it helps keep the npc's alive. I carry 6 or 7 guns, they don't need to be all specced for max damage.
I don’t understand why they didn’t just make iceman’s work like pyromaniacs but for cryo damage. Would at least make the alien blaster and cryolator worth using again.
Pyromaniacs on the holy fire or any flamer for that matter is definitely S Tier. You are about 1/2 correct on all these assessments . Vipers is an amazing mod and also S tier .
Pin-Pointers on a V63 Laser Carbine with Bloodied/Rapid/VATS Optimized shreads. Also, Electrician's is damn near S tier on a Flame Arrow modded Bow with whatever other Legendary effects you like, if you also put on the Grenadier Perk Card. Each time you nock an arrow, it goes off. Stunning everything within a pretty huge area around you.
I've been having fun with the 4* Vipers. Poisoned Auto Axe: *Aristocrats, ** +40 Power Attack Damage, *** -40% Damage Taken, **** Viper's Finally poison gets some love!
I have found stabilisers best on the Gatling plasma, it really reduces the firing cone! And makes it far more accurate, I’m now looking forward to unlocking the Vulcan arms mod to further reduce the firing cone on the Gatling plasma… it’s gonna be a laser beam!
Electrician's worked on Imposter Sheepsquatch once from an Encryptid I did recently. 3 seconds is basically long enough to reload a Minigun. I was running a melee build at the time but yeah he stopped doing anything for a few seconds as someone hit him with the effect.
AT, I’ve been using Vulcan Power Armor’s Ultracite Bracer mod. Although the description says that only melee applies poison and rad damage, it seemed that any time of damage (guns, explosive, ricochet damage) also applies the poison and rad damage. I think it will pair really well with Viper if using Vulcan Ultracite Bracer
Conductor gives infinite AP sustain with few preconditions: a) you are healing yourself at the moment of crit b) have thirst squelcher equipped c) 1 shot to 1 crit ratio d) have high enough base AP Regen (i.e. herbivore company tea) e) AP cost for shot is not very high (i.e. Gatling plasma) f) might need explosive effect on weapon (this one I am not sure) basically when my character tanks en06 or stands in snake poison pool, it gets infinite AP (and heal) which is pretty much worth it as you don't need to spam canned coffee anymore for burst damage. also it's pretty brutal on close up mobbing if you damage yourself with explosive effect hence trigerrinh heal. on 2nd stage of the raid my character can kill 2-5 moleminers not running out of ap with gun fu. so for me it's worth more then pinpointers on bloodied/explosive/-25ap gp.
Electricians could be fun with Blackpowder weapons. Not BiS, but for people that just like to solo roam, who aren't looking to min/max, it definitely has a use.
I placed pyromaniacs in an enclave auto rifle quad , explosive, 25 less vats .. and with the calibrated gamma beta wave turner and it works great but after the second shot .. should had placed it in my cremator
I need to correct you. "Electrician's" DOES work on enemies in the Raid just not the bosses or Ultragenetic enemies, my friend runs this in Part 2 and 3 and it stuns the moles attacking the drill AND the repair bots, they can single handedly defend the drill alone.
The drill gets easier when you lead the mole miners around like you would cod zombies, and focus fire on the mole rats, you can get through it with only one person on the drill all the way through the last stage without losing health on the drill
@@void-master9077 I'm the kind of player that love defending the drill, with my Vampire exploding fast reload electrician .50 machine gun, the drill is most of the time at 95% of it's health while defending alone so yes, pretty easy ^-^
Another problem with polished is you can't repair a weapon above 100%. So there is a frustrating time when it's like 120% and you can't do anything about it during the raid.
@@expertmercenary645 from what I'm seeing being at 150 only gives 30% damage boost. So yeah you can boost it that far on the fly. But to me it's so much of a hassle for a short lives 10% bonus over pin pointers which is just a set and forget. You're always gonna target weak points. Except of course it doesn't work vs the robot if that matters to you. And honestly pin pointers seems to do more than 50% damage.
Nice informative tier list Turtle 👍. Can you do a video on the new ap costs of heavy weapons? Especially the LMG, the ap cost is higher than what the patch notes claim and I don't know if it's the same for other heavy weapons. I really want attention brought to this and I hope I'm not the only one.
Very much like this format, was waiting for this video and also armor/power armor 4* (I wanna know how good Aegis is on a full set compared to Tanky's). Can confirm stabilizer's adds some accuracy, I threw it on my Fixer to try and mitigate the kickback it has compared to the handmade. It felt like more shots were hitting that would've missed before.
Wait, so Polished; is the entire 60% buff effectively 0% at 101%-200%? It was my understanding through use that it was like… 60% bonus 100%-200% with it staring to dip under 99%. I’ve been using Improved repair kits and 200% repairs and I just never noticed damage decrease or change until I’m in the actual sub100 territory. Taking it to 150% during raids and I see no notable drop-offs until about 80-90%. This is on both a Gauss Minigun and Plasma Gat. I’ve been doing a lot of Robot fights and Polished were among the first couple 4* mods I got lol. But I guess it’s possible I just never noticed correctly?
@@booch138 Polished is an odd duck, though, I will say its second only to Pin Pointers, and when it's at 60% it's technically better. Though I don't know the exact bands for damage buff, since my Bloodied Explosive Gat Plas has never been below 150% since the durability change, at 199% it will have 60% and currently right now at around 150% I'm getting 48%. I wish it worked at 60% for the duration the weapon was at any % above 100. That would make it the best 4 star hands down. The buff doesn't show on the weapon which is an odd choice. Instead the Polished buff is visible when you inspect your currently active effects. So if you ever are wondering what type of buff you're getting, that's where to look. It took me awhile to figure that one out.
Thanks for all of your testing! I'm even more unclear as to what the armor pieces do based on the descriptions, so I'm really looking forward to that video
Excellent explanation of each legendary effect. Thank you very much however one way that you can improve this list is get rid of the picture of the box mod the lower half just chop it off we don't need to see that let us see the name and make it bigger in your tier list so that possibly we could take a screenshot and keep it on hand. I hope this is possible it would make it a lot easier to go buy your tier list when organizing mods thanks again
yeah its a somewhat easy condition works on flamers, cremator, hellstorm and lots of melee and energy weapon options that can have some fire damage like auto axe and gatling laser
For melee users, Plague Walker mutation should work for Viper's even if you have no diseases When they moved Starched Genes to Endurance, all but one of my characters had it moved automatically from Luck and I accidentally gained it. I was trying to sneak, but kept getting revealed because the aura kept attacking them when I was near them, and I was so confused as to what was going on
Does it work on bows? Didn't dare to put one on, but if it does register every arrow pull as reloading then it would be a constant stun gunning while blasting arrows 😂
Bullies was working good for my Auto Axe when trying to melee the guardian robot since he's pretty much all weak point. Trying to get as much use out of it before it's patched out
Based on how pin pointers applies damage to virtually any “limb,” other than torso…. Perhaps the two star crippling mod needs another look as it was re-introduced as a two star just a little bit before in mile post zero……just before the release of this four star pin pointers. Could Bethesda have used very similar mechanics on crippling??….because if so …. If that 50% now applies to anything “yellow” other than torso. I think we need to re-look at what we would recommended as the second star compared to always faster fire rate or explosive or 50%. Crit
I agree 99%. The only one I disagree with is Combo Breakers. Here me out before saying I'm nuts. On regular melee weapons. Trash. F tier. Throw it in the garbage. On Auto Axe, its actually not bad. Console players like myself can't spam canned coffee as easily to keep our AP up during Auto Axe DPS phases, so this helps offset that. Combined with Optimized Bracers on PA, you never run out of AP during a DPS phase. So for that use case, and that use case only, I'd but it in B tier. That all being said, the second I get Pounders, I'm replacing Combo Breakers lol. Also I personally would put Polished in S because of weapons deterioration being so low when used with Durability, so its fairly easy to get it to 60% and just sit there for a long time, but I do get why its A because its competing with Pin Pointers. Also I need to know if Aegis stacks like I think it does like ASAP. Im either using full Aegis or 1 Aegis and 4 Relective. But im not using my boxes until I get the definitive answer it stacks.
Is pyromaniac worth putting on a UGL or a gat plasma? My plasma is named frank horrigans gat its super strong alrrady, i dont use flamers often although i have a very good one
I put it on the UGL its like the AK for energy weapon in this game it can do anything, not and punch pretty hard, can notice a significant difference in dps , although the gat plasma is my fav dps wep, but the UGL is my vamp main with Pyro 4 star
@トタトラ that's my guess, i don't have the Strangler yet, im rocking the Vulkan but when i get enough gold to buy it im gonna try the vipers mod and how it compares with other mods
It depends on the build but it requires you to wear a specific armor just achieve damage bonuses that you can get from other mods that allow you to wear better armor.
for conductors i think its doing 5% base ap regen and not current, was testing this for awhile and thats what seems to be the case and as for fracturers it works great at campfire tales and can wide spread clear all the bugs but thats about it, so its got a niche thing it can do
Thanks 🐢. I got all the mods for Vulcan. I got help from your community. I got a OE/luck/thru-hiker/3 limited breakers and 2 Rejuvenated . Awesome stuff
I put Electrician's on my Quad, damage while aiming, +3 INT tesla. Everyone hates the Tesla reload at Rad Rumble. Now I love that my reload will still tag enemies.
I converted my Tesla to single shot. I used to have it on auto and it does nothing to help you tag things and wastes tons of ammo. It cuts down your reload time pretty well.
I was scrolling hoping to see someone else praise conductors. I don't know about you but I threw mine on a choo choo. I swapped out pin-pointer's for it and have never looked back. It's basically a quad "vampire" RR now. And let's be honest. If you're rocking a rail or vats heavies, ya don't need more damage 😅
Here's something to test. Since the Minigun Shredder falls outside the category of Auto Melee, it SHOULD benefit from the full 50% effect from Combo-breaker. Also, Electricians is an interesting effect combined with single ammo weapons like the thirst zapper, as well as the assaultron head which can trigger the effect for every charge-reload. Edit: If combo breaker can only be applied to melee weapons, then the first point is invalid.
@15615145616513 not quite, it applies to melee weapons only. So 50% on non-auto melee (swords, baseball bats etc) and 10% on auto-melee (chainsaws, auto-axes etc) I found that out because I have the mod, but was confused when I couldn't attach it to a gun
I put a bully's on my explosive anti armor gauss gatlin. Works well enough. I got boiling point, pyromaniac is awesome. Can't wait to get one for my holy fire. Waiting to see the armor their list. I threw miasma on a one star set of regenerating thorn armor for the stage two defense. If I can hold aggro it works pretty good. Running a heavy gunner's explosive swapping in the boiling point. Bleed and burn dps. The explosion from the miasma aggros and has a knock back to it.
I run Pinpointers on both my Q/25/25 Fixer and Railway and it’s absolutely huge. I tried Polished as well but didn’t like it as much and felt a consistent 50% damage is always better. And yes it works on Head in VATS! S tier for me.
Thanks for the explanation of how Encirclers works, becauee thats not how itnis worded. Only enemies that are engaging you, completely changes it It would be great on a private when I solo Eviction Notice though
The 'up to' 50 damage on Fracturer's is insulting, in a game where enemies have thousands of points of HP, and most monsters will have like, maybe six points you can cripple. Supposedly, it can be affected by damage modifiers, but even then, the numbers are just way too low for me to even consider it outside of a tagging effect.
Since "Polished" also applies to Grenades thrown with the weapon equipped, would that allow Nuka Grenades to once again 1 shot level 100 Super Mutants in West Tek with an Instigating Submachine Gun with an Armor Piercing Reciever?
About the format question... a nice mix of both the tier list like this AND some in-game video showcasing the best highlights would be ideal, instead of the either/or option imho.
I don’t care if the AP regen on conductors is broken. The health regen basically gives you a vampires effect, and that paired with coffee is perfect for farming the first raid. You’re basically invincible.
what will it look like once they fix some of the bugged effects? can pin-pointer hold itself high with multiplicative dmg on arms and legs, but no heads? i'm mainly thinking for flamers over pyromaniac? i assume Pounder is still gonna be okay. Conductor is gonna climb to the top i assume?
I've only run this Raid once and I got a Viper's mod out of it. I used stamps I had saved to get the Auto Axe Poison mod and I'm glad it works! Good to see it at A tier ...this will make the Raid bosses easier.
Tips: put the electrician mod on *The Fixer* shot and put the fuels , run on the tunnels and reload if u see the miners! 1 min for finish the stage 2. ( use the mods for realod quickly ur Fixer if u have)
I like the format, I agree that Electrician is a B tier but, I really like it on tesla thematicaly and it's a really powerful CC effect on anything other than bosses. Great for Drill defense, and defense Events. I wish Bully would work as advertised similary with Pin-pointer, just applying damage modifier on the enemies weak spot.
so pyromanic and viper do have effect only on the type dammage or all kind of damage?for example flamed cutter have energy,fire and balistic(or ongly ballistic and fire don t remember), pyro boost only fire damage or also the other?I ask cause I got the snake sword and it have viper effect but the damage(the number) is always the same. I will wait for the armor 4 star effect tier list, I ve seen some really good
This format is PERFECT- thank you! Please always do them this way! Would love to screenshot a chart that shows an S tier “only if melee or non-vats, etc”
Yes, please share a high-resolution screenshot
When Turtle says multiplayer he means multiplier.
The armor mod version of this video is the one i really want, not using most of my 4 star armor mods until i know all the little details of how they all truly work, till then they staying in my stash box.
sad we have to resort on waiting to have fun because Beth doesn't playtest anything
@jphininzy9058 yeah it sucks but I'd rather wait than waste a ton of 4 star mods.
So real, I am literally, just trading and waiting before I even bother buying or using any 4 star mod boxes, and I am very glad I did wait, since I was going to try conductors to make a VATS build, and thankfully Angry Turtle made this video, likely saving me a glowing mask or more. Real shame Bethesda can't make a proper description, but better safe than sorry
@JuicyPiickle that's my point tho, if they just play tested the game and fixed their descriptions we could just use them when we get them
Reflective is S tier - Do not sleep on this one - When equipped (Full set 5 pcs) and paired with a Vampires weapon you will be invincible (except for ultracite mole miner 🤣)
Fracturer on the peppershaker with crippling perks is some amazing fun
it really is, it just needs some tweaking. Damage should be increased and also apply to the target.
I have been using pepper shaker with fractured for a couple days. Not very useful but quite fun. The explosion damage is very low to be noticeable.
I use a quad explosive pepper shaker all the times and it's great. I don't think I want the blinding flashes though.
Been wondering which ones to look out for. A friend of mine has two pyromaniacs, one in his cremator and one on his holy fire and they both absolutely decimate everything.
Pyromaniac affecting the cremator DoT is huge.
Encircler's is good for the drill stage of the raid event for whoever is protecting the drill against the mole miners.
I'm using it on my vampire .50 explosive gun, and I can tell you're 100% right, the radius is so huge it cover all the drill zone, so you take the aggro and while reloading, the ennemies can't attack, just love it
I love your sense of humor please don’t change turtle lol
I love electricians on a tesla. It 100% works on the non 1 shot mole miners in the raid.
You can freeze every npc around the drill almost forever.
But only when you’re reloading? Wouldn’t you rather have bonus damage??
@adam-ip3xe I mean, first of all tesla isn't a "dps" weapon, so I'm only using it in situations with a lot of mobs. Which I generally want some CC for. It also works through walls, so at events like. radiation rumble, it helps keep the npc's alive.
I carry 6 or 7 guns, they don't need to be all specced for max damage.
Great idea, I will have to put it on my Tesla. Not sure if I have that one yet, I have a pretty big stash of them but lots of duplicates
I don’t understand why they didn’t just make iceman’s work like pyromaniacs but for cryo damage. Would at least make the alien blaster and cryolator worth using again.
Good point
Pyromaniacs on the holy fire or any flamer for that matter is definitely S Tier.
You are about 1/2 correct on all these assessments .
Vipers is an amazing mod and also S tier .
Pin-Pointers on a V63 Laser Carbine with Bloodied/Rapid/VATS Optimized shreads. Also, Electrician's is damn near S tier on a Flame Arrow modded Bow with whatever other Legendary effects you like, if you also put on the Grenadier Perk Card. Each time you nock an arrow, it goes off. Stunning everything within a pretty huge area around you.
I'm glad you agree with Pin Pointers vs Bullys.
Just disappointed Conductors is so messed up could be S Tier easy.
Great Tierlist
I've been having fun with the 4* Vipers.
Poisoned Auto Axe: *Aristocrats, ** +40 Power Attack Damage, *** -40% Damage Taken, **** Viper's
Finally poison gets some love!
Does the "-40% damage taken" finally work on auto axe or is it still just during the first hit (aka for a fraction of a second)?
stabilizers with railway is just a good ol fun time to use. Non-vats railway still hits like a tank.
It slaps incredibly well on the LMG and tesla rifle also. Its just overall been a blast :)
I have found stabilisers best on the Gatling plasma, it really reduces the firing cone! And makes it far more accurate, I’m now looking forward to unlocking the Vulcan arms mod to further reduce the firing cone on the Gatling plasma… it’s gonna be a laser beam!
Electrician's worked on Imposter Sheepsquatch once from an Encryptid I did recently. 3 seconds is basically long enough to reload a Minigun. I was running a melee build at the time but yeah he stopped doing anything for a few seconds as someone hit him with the effect.
AT, I’ve been using Vulcan Power Armor’s Ultracite Bracer mod. Although the description says that only melee applies poison and rad damage, it seemed that any time of damage (guns, explosive, ricochet damage) also applies the poison and rad damage. I think it will pair really well with Viper if using Vulcan Ultracite Bracer
Conductor gives infinite AP sustain with few preconditions:
a) you are healing yourself at the moment of crit
b) have thirst squelcher equipped
c) 1 shot to 1 crit ratio
d) have high enough base AP Regen (i.e. herbivore company tea)
e) AP cost for shot is not very high (i.e. Gatling plasma)
f) might need explosive effect on weapon (this one I am not sure)
basically when my character tanks en06 or stands in snake poison pool, it gets infinite AP (and heal) which is pretty much worth it as you don't need to spam canned coffee anymore for burst damage.
also it's pretty brutal on close up mobbing if you damage yourself with explosive effect hence trigerrinh heal. on 2nd stage of the raid my character can kill 2-5 moleminers not running out of ap with gun fu. so for me it's worth more then pinpointers on bloodied/explosive/-25ap gp.
Electricians could be fun with Blackpowder weapons. Not BiS, but for people that just like to solo roam, who aren't looking to min/max, it definitely has a use.
Maybe for shotguns too
What is bis?
Its hilarious on a bow and arrow, every arrow counts as a reload
beastabuelos6421
Best in slot.
I placed pyromaniacs in an enclave auto rifle quad , explosive, 25 less vats .. and with the calibrated gamma beta wave turner and it works great but after the second shot .. should had placed it in my cremator
I need to correct you. "Electrician's" DOES work on enemies in the Raid just not the bosses or Ultragenetic enemies, my friend runs this in Part 2 and 3 and it stuns the moles attacking the drill AND the repair bots, they can single handedly defend the drill alone.
The drill gets easier when you lead the mole miners around like you would cod zombies, and focus fire on the mole rats, you can get through it with only one person on the drill all the way through the last stage without losing health on the drill
@@void-master9077 I'm the kind of player that love defending the drill, with my Vampire exploding fast reload electrician .50 machine gun, the drill is most of the time at 95% of it's health while defending alone so yes, pretty easy ^-^
Another problem with polished is you can't repair a weapon above 100%. So there is a frustrating time when it's like 120% and you can't do anything about it during the raid.
Can you not hit it with an improved repair kit?
@@expertmercenary645 yes
@@expertmercenary645it would be better if polished included the over health from the improved repair kit because you could then deal more than 60%
@@expertmercenary645 from what I'm seeing being at 150 only gives 30% damage boost. So yeah you can boost it that far on the fly. But to me it's so much of a hassle for a short lives 10% bonus over pin pointers which is just a set and forget. You're always gonna target weak points. Except of course it doesn't work vs the robot if that matters to you. And honestly pin pointers seems to do more than 50% damage.
Nice informative tier list Turtle 👍. Can you do a video on the new ap costs of heavy weapons? Especially the LMG, the ap cost is higher than what the patch notes claim and I don't know if it's the same for other heavy weapons. I really want attention brought to this and I hope I'm not the only one.
Very much like this format, was waiting for this video and also armor/power armor 4* (I wanna know how good Aegis is on a full set compared to Tanky's). Can confirm stabilizer's adds some accuracy, I threw it on my Fixer to try and mitigate the kickback it has compared to the handmade. It felt like more shots were hitting that would've missed before.
Wait, so Polished; is the entire 60% buff effectively 0% at 101%-200%? It was my understanding through use that it was like… 60% bonus 100%-200% with it staring to dip under 99%. I’ve been using Improved repair kits and 200% repairs and I just never noticed damage decrease or change until I’m in the actual sub100 territory. Taking it to 150% during raids and I see no notable drop-offs until about 80-90%. This is on both a Gauss Minigun and Plasma Gat. I’ve been doing a lot of Robot fights and Polished were among the first couple 4* mods I got lol. But I guess it’s possible I just never noticed correctly?
@@booch138
Polished is an odd duck, though, I will say its second only to Pin Pointers, and when it's at 60% it's technically better. Though I don't know the exact bands for damage buff, since my Bloodied Explosive Gat Plas has never been below 150% since the durability change, at 199% it will have 60% and currently right now at around 150% I'm getting 48%. I wish it worked at 60% for the duration the weapon was at any % above 100. That would make it the best 4 star hands down.
The buff doesn't show on the weapon which is an odd choice. Instead the Polished buff is visible when you inspect your currently active effects. So if you ever are wondering what type of buff you're getting, that's where to look. It took me awhile to figure that one out.
@@Thee_Rage TYVM
Thanks for all of your testing! I'm even more unclear as to what the armor pieces do based on the descriptions, so I'm really looking forward to that video
Excellent explanation of each legendary effect. Thank you very much however one way that you can improve this list is get rid of the picture of the box mod the lower half just chop it off we don't need to see that let us see the name and make it bigger in your tier list so that possibly we could take a screenshot and keep it on hand. I hope this is possible it would make it a lot easier to go buy your tier list when organizing mods thanks again
I got the viper and 4 star poison cloud for armor. Those two could work well together.
the Viper's and Pyro's debuffs apply to the target and not the player so everyone shooting at the burned/poisoned target can benefit
Pyromaniac's sounds like a dream
Its on par with polished but way easier to use with flaming weapons
Love it on my flamer and auto axe with fire.
yeah its a somewhat easy condition works on flamers, cremator, hellstorm and lots of melee and energy weapon options that can have some fire damage like auto axe and gatling laser
Have it on my AA holy fire, and it feels like the pre nerf holy fire.
It's beautiful on the cremator dude.
Amazing video Turtle! Was just what i was looking for since i couldn't test most of these myself.
For melee users, Plague Walker mutation should work for Viper's even if you have no diseases
When they moved Starched Genes to Endurance, all but one of my characters had it moved automatically from Luck and I accidentally gained it. I was trying to sneak, but kept getting revealed because the aura kept attacking them when I was near them, and I was so confused as to what was going on
which one is recommended for the tesla rifle?
pin pointers
I didn't check comments for electricians on bow and arrow, but it's the most fun I've had in a while
Does it work on bows? Didn't dare to put one on, but if it does register every arrow pull as reloading then it would be a constant stun gunning while blasting arrows 😂
@justus899 yep, every arrow pull sparks up as long as the effect doesn't bug, switching weapons usually fixes it though
I think the layout worked great and makes a good screenshot reference for later :)
Thanks for the video, turtle. So there is no interference with pinpointer’s when a non-appendage is struck by an explosive weapon?
no all good
The fractures mod is fun for tagging. Especially on a qe pepper shaker 😂
Bullies was working good for my Auto Axe when trying to melee the guardian robot since he's pretty much all weak point. Trying to get as much use out of it before it's patched out
Based on how pin pointers applies damage to virtually any “limb,” other than torso…. Perhaps the two star crippling mod needs another look as it was re-introduced as a two star just a little bit before in mile post zero……just before the release of this four star pin pointers.
Could Bethesda have used very similar mechanics on crippling??….because if so …. If that 50% now applies to anything “yellow” other than torso. I think we need to re-look at what we would recommended as the second star compared to always faster fire rate or explosive or 50%. Crit
Now this is content! Thank you Mr. Turtle!
conduit is really good on bloodied pa builds with emergency protocols because you are basically unkillable as long as you are in vats spamming crits
I agree 99%. The only one I disagree with is Combo Breakers. Here me out before saying I'm nuts.
On regular melee weapons. Trash. F tier. Throw it in the garbage.
On Auto Axe, its actually not bad. Console players like myself can't spam canned coffee as easily to keep our AP up during Auto Axe DPS phases, so this helps offset that. Combined with Optimized Bracers on PA, you never run out of AP during a DPS phase. So for that use case, and that use case only, I'd but it in B tier.
That all being said, the second I get Pounders, I'm replacing Combo Breakers lol.
Also I personally would put Polished in S because of weapons deterioration being so low when used with Durability, so its fairly easy to get it to 60% and just sit there for a long time, but I do get why its A because its competing with Pin Pointers.
Also I need to know if Aegis stacks like I think it does like ASAP. Im either using full Aegis or 1 Aegis and 4 Relective. But im not using my boxes until I get the definitive answer it stacks.
I unlocked Pyromaniacs crafting and put one onto my burning crusader pistol. Gives it a nice little extra kick on follow-up shots.
I love my Polished Gauss Mini Gun. If it ever drops below 100, I just pop an Improved Repair Kit and I'm good to go again
Is pyromaniac worth putting on a UGL or a gat plasma? My plasma is named frank horrigans gat its super strong alrrady, i dont use flamers often although i have a very good one
I put it on the UGL its like the AK for energy weapon in this game it can do anything, not and punch pretty hard, can notice a significant difference in dps , although the gat plasma is my fav dps wep, but the UGL is my vamp main with Pyro 4 star
Viper's could be S tier if you use Strangler PA. This also applies to Explosive and DoT as well.
Strangler PA is indeed really powerful now with this mod i presume
@@TheBigIronOnMyHip Right? It's so reliable because you can give a flat 50% buff to anything just by wearing Strangler.
@トタトラ that's my guess, i don't have the Strangler yet, im rocking the Vulkan but when i get enough gold to buy it im gonna try the vipers mod and how it compares with other mods
@@TheBigIronOnMyHip Minerva will have Stranglers from 30th December until 2nd January, just so you know.
It depends on the build but it requires you to wear a specific armor just achieve damage bonuses that you can get from other mods that allow you to wear better armor.
Love this video! Thank you for all your testing. What do you think is better for the holy fire, pyro or pin pointers?
does stabilizer stack with the Gimbal Bracers on the vulcan power armor?
Electrician's works well with weapons which reload regularly. Pepper Shaker, Shotguns, Best with and the LMG.
My gatling plasma was already 200% with durability on it, loops guess I need to lower it for polished lol
for conductors i think its doing 5% base ap regen and not current, was testing this for awhile and thats what seems to be the case and as for fracturers it works great at campfire tales and can wide spread clear all the bugs but thats about it, so its got a niche thing it can do
Honestly the best mods are the ones that dont need a build or other legendary mods to just work all the time
I enjoy the format. 🙏 make a similar with weapons, armour and power armor too after all the changes.
Great video! This was very much needed!
I was able to put pyromaniacs on my holy fire and it absolutely is just a strict upgrade. such a fantastic weapon
Thanks 🐢. I got all the mods for Vulcan. I got help from your community. I got a OE/luck/thru-hiker/3 limited breakers and 2 Rejuvenated . Awesome stuff
Are you aware of the Jetpack on your helmet glitch people are using now on Vulcan Armor
@@silentpsycho372how do you do that
Combo breaker might be a very good pick if you intent to use the V63 in Vats when fighting bosses.
Does the Pyromaniac's work well with the Enclave plasma gun's Severe Beta wave mod?
works great with every weapon that sets target on fire
Polished mod works fine for me with 200% condition.... I even see the damage on the tool tip. Polished should be S tier.
I enjoy Lickety-Split which has fracturers. Not powerful but when it sets off a chain reaction it tags everything.
They gotta revert conductors back to the PTS version. It was VERY fair and balanced! 💀
I put Electrician's on my Quad, damage while aiming, +3 INT tesla. Everyone hates the Tesla reload at Rad Rumble. Now I love that my reload will still tag enemies.
I converted my Tesla to single shot. I used to have it on auto and it does nothing to help you tag things and wastes tons of ammo. It cuts down your reload time pretty well.
I think Conductor's is S tier for bloodied commando or VATS heavy gunner.
Fr it's either this or pinpointer's for extra damage
I was scrolling hoping to see someone else praise conductors. I don't know about you but I threw mine on a choo choo. I swapped out pin-pointer's for it and have never looked back. It's basically a quad "vampire" RR now. And let's be honest. If you're rocking a rail or vats heavies, ya don't need more damage 😅
@ 100% it’s amazing on the Railway.
@sbaltys right? So all that being said. On certain guns I'd personally say either A or S.
Sometimes it does nothing at all. Sometimes it's game breaking good.
Here's something to test. Since the Minigun Shredder falls outside the category of Auto Melee, it SHOULD benefit from the full 50% effect from Combo-breaker. Also, Electricians is an interesting effect combined with single ammo weapons like the thirst zapper, as well as the assaultron head which can trigger the effect for every charge-reload.
Edit: If combo breaker can only be applied to melee weapons, then the first point is invalid.
I'm curious about electricians on a bow. I have an archer character and this could be fun.
@@georgielee1619 I tested this on the PTS, doesn't seem to count as a reload. I didn't test the crossbow, however...
what do you guys and gals think is going to be the next crossover weapon like the tesla canon or the cremator?
Polished doesn't seem to be working right. At 150% condition is only gives me 12-18% damage increase.
200% gives max, 100% condition gives 0
@@Rad_Kad ooooooh. misleading description then
@@Arkham8076 as usual lol
Doesn't Combo breaker basically reduce the AP cost of weapons by 50%?
This is what I was thinking more shots in VATS means more dmg
@15615145616513 not quite, it applies to melee weapons only. So 50% on non-auto melee (swords, baseball bats etc) and 10% on auto-melee (chainsaws, auto-axes etc)
I found that out because I have the mod, but was confused when I couldn't attach it to a gun
@Barlofontain ahh so the description is very deceptive I took it as 50% for normal weapons and 10%auto melee not just melee only
@@15615145616513 Same. I was thinking "Why aren't people talking about this, it sounds amazing?".... nope
I put a bully's on my explosive anti armor gauss gatlin. Works well enough. I got boiling point, pyromaniac is awesome. Can't wait to get one for my holy fire.
Waiting to see the armor their list. I threw miasma on a one star set of regenerating thorn armor for the stage two defense. If I can hold aggro it works pretty good. Running a heavy gunner's explosive swapping in the boiling point. Bleed and burn dps. The explosion from the miasma aggros and has a knock back to it.
I run Pinpointers on both my Q/25/25 Fixer and Railway and it’s absolutely huge. I tried Polished as well but didn’t like it as much and felt a consistent 50% damage is always better. And yes it works on Head in VATS! S tier for me.
Thanks for the explanation of how Encirclers works, becauee thats not how itnis worded. Only enemies that are engaging you, completely changes it
It would be great on a private when I solo Eviction Notice though
MR.Turle. I I waited for last time to change to deflect 4 star. 1 poison cloud. And the poison stuns.. it's pretty cool that poison does that now😊
The 'up to' 50 damage on Fracturer's is insulting, in a game where enemies have thousands of points of HP, and most monsters will have like, maybe six points you can cripple. Supposedly, it can be affected by damage modifiers, but even then, the numbers are just way too low for me to even consider it outside of a tagging effect.
Since "Polished" also applies to Grenades thrown with the weapon equipped, would that allow Nuka Grenades to once again 1 shot level 100 Super Mutants in West Tek with an Instigating Submachine Gun with an Armor Piercing Reciever?
About the format question... a nice mix of both the tier list like this AND some in-game video showcasing the best highlights would be ideal, instead of the either/or option imho.
Does Viper apply to DoT?
Does Pyro apply to DoT from Bow?
Pinpointers works on head??
I don’t care if the AP regen on conductors is broken. The health regen basically gives you a vampires effect, and that paired with coffee is perfect for farming the first raid. You’re basically invincible.
Question about Electrician's. How big is the radius? What is the cooldown of the effect? Can it proc from a "Quick Hands" perk card proc?
Fractures is funny with a Pepper Shaker, and Far Flung Fireworks.
Any idea if sentinel is working now & what 4th star legendary is on your AA50c25 Gatling plasma?
I think conductor is the 4 star effect not sure
what will it look like once they fix some of the bugged effects?
can pin-pointer hold itself high with multiplicative dmg on arms and legs, but no heads? i'm mainly thinking for flamers over pyromaniac?
i assume Pounder is still gonna be okay.
Conductor is gonna climb to the top i assume?
I've only run this Raid once and I got a Viper's mod out of it. I used stamps I had saved to get the Auto Axe Poison mod and I'm glad it works! Good to see it at A tier ...this will make the Raid bosses easier.
Tips: put the electrician mod on *The Fixer* shot and put the fuels , run on the tunnels and reload if u see the miners! 1 min for finish the stage 2. ( use the mods for realod quickly ur Fixer if u have)
Is there anything special about The Fixer that makes it uniquely good with the electrician mod?
The stalker mole miners can be stunned?
Electrician mob will be good with pistols or shotguns
Got B2550durab cremator, should I go for pyromaniac's or rather polished?
I dont know which tier4 mod would be better for the electrical auto axe 😅 need some advice 😂😂😂 please
Thanks for the video mate, and i love this format. looking foward to the second part about armors.
I like the format, I agree that Electrician is a B tier but, I really like it on tesla thematicaly and it's a really powerful CC effect on anything other than bosses. Great for Drill defense, and defense Events. I wish Bully would work as advertised similary with Pin-pointer, just applying damage modifier on the enemies weak spot.
Does Pyromaniacs work on the DOT for a bow with flaming arrows?
yes
Honestly fractures is probably left here unless it's on a pepper shaker then it's s tear
Which 4star would you recommend for 50 cal PA?
Combo-breakers description reads like 50% AP reduction flat and doesn’t mention vats, does this only work on melee weapons?
what about vipers?? i was thinking about usuing vipers with stranglerheart armor
Pin-Pointer is the good for 'The Fixer' with Stealth commando build?
yes
so pyromanic and viper do have effect only on the type dammage or all kind of damage?for example flamed cutter have energy,fire and balistic(or ongly ballistic and fire don t remember), pyro boost only fire damage or also the other?I ask cause I got the snake sword and it have viper effect but the damage(the number) is always the same.
I will wait for the armor 4 star effect tier list, I ve seen some really good
all damage as long as target is burning
@@AngryTurtle thanks
Holy fire with Aa/Crit/reload speed plus pyro and a huge tank is melting everything.
How long will these effects lasr?
Last
last? They permanent?
@@erickbrand6966they only last until the end of season
I'm running pyromaniac on an anti armor gamma wave plasma Gatling. Honestly, I dunno if it's all that great but I like it
Is weak points on enemies a thing outside of VATS?
yes you can manually aim for head for example
Great format! Looking forward for armor and PA videos, if you plan to do them!