Changes the law, locking himself out of any other law changes for five years. His law: increasing the levies provided by his noble vassals. Number of noble vassals: zero.
I legit cannot believe the Prince of Norway and England married the daughter of the Duke of Cornwall, who only owns two tiny patches of land. She's got Margery level talent.
See, that's the power of the Cornish, they can marry into their liege's family, who is a double King, without even needing to worry And they also married into the family of the Duke of Mercia that owns all of Northern England and got claims on 70% of Wales
I can confirm that I've been going over the comments, and will begin next part with a couple of quick corrections on the things I've most misunderstood - please keep in mind this is a VERY complex game that I've only put around 20 hours into so far.
Its okay 20 hours in ck2 isn't walk and chew bubblegum territory, its I think I've got tying my shoes figured out, mostly. I had one game early on where I formed Ireland, inherited Scotland, conquered Wales, panicked over succession laws switched them along to try and keep from losing Wales. Lost Wales, lost Scotland, Ireland was being run by a who had been living in Spain when it was over run by the Muslims and converted.
The beautiful thing about Crusader Kings 2 is that your mistakes make the game better. I can't tell you how many times I have had more fun because my three male children died from plague and I had to frantically defend my realm as a 7 year old girl from all of my cousins or something similar. Never feel bad about mistakes in this game: the stories you get from them are the best ones.
5 years later; I come down to the comments without pausing the video to see if anyone said anything about the court physician and the cat and, just as I'm starting to read this comment, he says the quote above. My point? I don't really have one but it kinda freaked me out and amused me in equal measures.
Fell back asleep watching episode 1, playlist kept going. Dreamt of being a knight, occasionally heard jons voice. Sailed from Cornwall to conquer Ireland and Iceland. It was a weird dream
Hey Jon, instead of simply disbanding the mercenaries, you could have ordered the to assault the holding. It's far faster than sieging but it kills a lot of your men. As it's mercenaries you were about to disband though, you don't actually care about their lives,so it would have been a good idea to order the assault.
I applaud to Jon's strategic genius, where he claimed like 7 years ago that English are gonna revolt one day against the foreign invaders and then marries his daughter on the prince of norway. And then puts all his best effort to speed the revolt up
Let me get this straight, in this episode Jon gets a std, almost dies, eats tabby and gets kicked out of england. This series is starting to sound like Mel Brooks History of the World part 2. This is awesome.
Jon, please use realm map mode for warfare. It shows occupied territory whereas direct rule mapmode doesn't. Edit: Another consequence is that you seem to not realise that Wales is not united and the other Welsh lords cannot intervene.
I don't know if your comment is just furthering your statement or is going against mine, it's a little bit confusing seeing the context. I know of Jon's -1 perception, I just also wanted to put it into yours that realm mode is technically not a 100% required to see independences. But yes Jon's an unnoticing doofus.
Gaming Master Anthony CK2 has a shitload of names, but characters tend to name their sons after prestigious and powerful lords of the realm. Just like in real life, nobles in the middle ages would very often be called "Charles/Karl " after Charlemagne, or like half of the Byzantine Basileis were called "Alexios" after Alexios Komnenos, and various other examples.
To be fair, from what I saw he still had the pox, so eating a burnt cat was actually to cure the headache, which it seemed to do cause that disappeared from the trait list, right?
tpbloomfield no, the headache (symptom) was substituted by the Great Pox (disease), which includes the headache debuff. The charred cat wasn't so much treatment as it was placebo, but it was effective. It's the middle ages, there is no medical science, just random flukes for what works and doesn't. Duke Cadoc believes the dead cat makes him feel better, but what actually made him feel better was , and both him and his physician will never know, but he is as good as treated. Also, Court Physicians don't cure diseases, they offer treatments. The disease will continue, sometimes for the rest of the character's life, the treatments simply allow the character to still live a normal life.
Loving the series! Just a heads up - cities (mayors) make more money than they do levies; baronies/counties/duchies (nobles) generate more (and better quality) levies than they do money - should definitely swing to levy oriented obligations for nobles and tax oriented obligations for cities! (Churches are a blend of taxes and levies, though if they like the pope more than you they'll send the tax to him)
In my opinion, vassal levies never really make much of a difference. In the early game, it's almost always your personal levies that make up 90% of your army. Later in the game, you are either fighting small realms where your large personal levy can crush them without the need to bother your vassals, or you are fighting huge empires where your retinues will still be able to pick up the slack. In my WC a few patches ago, I pretty much never found myself raising vassal levies outside of a few early defensive wars. As such, it generally makes more sense to push noble obligations in favor of taxes, so you can reinvest that money into building useful things like barracks and stables in your own land instead of the gold going to buy baroness humfilda the triple chinned a new necklace or whatever vassals seem to waste money on.
Verdiss Absolutely true, though I do tend to use vassal levies up until my second duchy at least, hence why I'd focus on them early (of which you can switch later)
Jon, you’re not playing in the most efficient manner possible. You don’t understand a lot of the mechanics. You completely miss quite a few things going on. But you know what? That’s FINE. Sure you should try and make sure to understand the mechanics, but you don’t need to play this game in the best way possible. Everyone screaming advice at you to do this, that, or the other thing seem to forget about what makes this game so great. It’s a STORY! It’s about your family growing and interacting with all the others in medieval Europe. It’s about the plots, the romances, the horrors, the wars, the world that emerges around these people you control. Playing things efficiently with breeding programs, casually murdering anyone that annoys you, and expanding all the time has been done so many times on other channels. They’re great, obviously, but they’re not YOU. So make sure you correct any misunderstandings, but other than that, HAVE FUN. We’ll love watching your story unfold. ...and pay attention because seriously, you’re much better in these videos, but you can miss a fair deal. Like the border between the Welsh Kingdoms.
Fantastic advice... Until the bit about paying attention, because this is Jon we're talking about, and hes sitting firm at a constant natural one for perception.
The "78% of liege" in the factions screen shows your relative power to the liege. If you had joined they would have had 98% and if it goes over 100% they might start the war. I hope you saw that and this isn't just -1 perception.
Noble vassals are barons (owns a castle), counts (owns a county), duke (owns a duchy) and king (owns a kingdom) you have none so there is no point to changing the noble obligations law.
Harold of Essex isn't hated because he lost the war but because Harold Hardrada humiliated him. You can do that to prisoners and after that they get released for some reason.
You do know that you can build buildings to improve castles, cities and churches? I'm worried because you didn't realise that is the other thing affected by that build time modifier and that's an important mechanic.
And the most interesting bit, is that if you take over enough duchies of Wales, you can declare yourself King of Wales, which would let you become free of Magnus. Well... Best of luck!
Can confirm jon is doing really well given he only just started playing recently. My first couple of games were regularly punctuated by me getting up and pacing around screaming how nothing makes any sense.
Under Gavelkind, titles you hold are split (mostly) evenly amongst your children. If you have any male heirs, they are the only inheritors; if you have only daughters, then they split the realm. If you have only a single top tier title for your realm (e.g. for your realm, a duchy title), your children will effectively only split the lower tier titles (e.g., the counties). However, the capital duchy and counties always go to your direct heir. The exception to this is if a child is forced into a bishopric (or to take the vows, I think, though I don’t have Sons of Abraham so cannot confirm), they cannot inherit. The title loss notification is because your next avatar will lose direct control of the title, in this case to another member of your dynasty.
I can confirm if u wish to remove a son from succession you can nominate them to replace a religious head, not actually even elect them - just nominate. nominating is enough to remove them from succession. i did it all the time to remove the losers and control gavelkind elections. +1 would cheese again
A way you can join England again which is actually pretty cheeky is to go to the factions tab, start the independence faction and just with yourself send the ultimatum go into an Independence war with Norway, but since you are not in Scandinavia it will take a while for Norway to get there. So while they are sending forces to you immediately go to the Ruler of England and ask to be a vassal and doing so will end the independence war and you will be part of England again, but be warned the King of England can reject your offer so you are basically screwed in the Independence war. So use this method at your own risk. P.S. I really love your videos and I am offering this advice to see if I can help. Love you and keep making these vids!!!!
I believe you can't swear fealty while you hold a temporary title (Norwegian Revolt). Also, the revolt title would be King-tier, which means the option to swear fealty to a King won't even appear. Or is it different because Cornwall is not a part of De Jure Norway?
I believe it is different because you are not part of de jure Norway, but I only saw this method once years ago on an earlier version of the game so I don't really know if it will work now.
Nepwrath sure, I get that. Still, it’s not like Wales or Wessex are on the other side of the planet from London. (That said, as an ignorant American, I most assuredly would murder most Anglicized Welsh names, even after looking at Wikipedia and puzzling over an IPA pronunciation guide, so don’t mind me.)
Speaking as a Brit, the English have never been able to pronounce Welsh names. As for Anglo-Saxon names most of the ones he's struggled with iirc, have been Old-English names which are pretty much completely out of use now so it makes sense to struggle with them.
This is such a joy for me to watch :) while It's clear that you don't have a complete grasp on all the game mechanics (There's a lot of them damn it :P) But you keep on with an enthusiasm and joy like always :) Keep up the good work Jon!
I love this. A vassal count of a Duke owes another Duke a favor, so that Duke can then force him to aid in a plot to remove the current Duke, and claim his lands. Since that Vassal Count is a Chancellor for the Duke, he could potentially starve the Duke of money, so when the plot is set in motion, the Duke will not be able to fund his armies, and will not be able to actually fight off the attack from the enemy Duke. Thus, simply having a favor of a Chancellor, and using that to starve a Duke of money whilst you fabricate a claim on that Dukes lands, means you could stop him from being able to afford a mercenary band to aid him, and his own levies would leave him after he fails to pay them, thus making capturing his land possible simply with a single favor, and a little bit of claim fabrication. It's like 4d chess. Thinking 5 steps ahead, whilst still driving towards the chess game. The game hasn't even started yet and you're already plotting out how to win that land. I love CK2. I know it wouldn't work that way, but if it did it'd be awesome.
Not really useful for large realms which will pull most of their armies from their vassals under them. You could use the Ledger for an accurate measure, or the Realm View button on the character tab to have a closer idea. There are also huge modifiers, like demesne size, martial score, vassal opinion and even decisions that can completely screw up the expected size/actual size ratio of a character's army.
Jon I said this last episode but you don't seem to have gathered that the only traits which can be inherited are things like strong, weak, genius, quick, or inbred, if the icon is heart shaped it can be inherited but otherwise it won’t be, to pass on traits like Midas touched have a high skill individual educate children between the ages of 12 and 16.
Not sure if anyone else has commented this yet, so here we go: Jon, the warning about inheritance doesn't mean Glamorgan will be leaving the realm when you die. Simply put, it means it will no longer be under your direct control at that point. Because you have 2 sons and gavelkind inheritance, Jon (the primary heir) will gain the Duchy title as well as the De Jure heartlands (Cornwall and Devon) while your second son will become a vassal of Jon as the Count of Glamorgan. It's still in your realm, but it's not a part of your demesne. In fact, the last thing you need is another son, as you would then "lose" Devon as well.
Jon you can upgrade stuff by click on the picture in the holdings tab e.g click the castle to upgrade troop+money received its good to do.... Loving this series BTW :)
You started out trying to turn Cornwall into an empire, and ended up as the Norwegian ambassador to England. A prime example of how quickly Paradox games can turn on you.
While your reasoning concerning the need to have an attacking force that outnumbers the defenders to be able to siege is correct, there is one factor you are ignoring. The levy constitutes the men that can be called to arms to go out and fight on that place, the garrison are the guys who stay to hold the fort. Meaning you dont really need to outnumber garrison + levy, because most of the time you will meet the levy on the battlefield, leaving only the garrison to defend the province. What that means is you didnt actually need mercs to invade that welsh province.
Stellaris is by far the easiest PDX game to just "pick up and play", due to the way it gets more complex with time. CK2, EU4 and Victoria2 are infamous for throwing you right into the action from the start. The mechanical complexity is there from day one, which makes them much harder to learn. Which is why there is no shame in watching a video tutorial. Arumba's tutorial series might be old (its from 2014), meaning many expansions ago, but it still succeds in teaching the basics, which are the most important part.
I have watched a few tutorials already - it's just that taking what somebody else says, and then actually putting into practice in game isn't always that easy - you do kind of need to play around yourself to really get a feel for things.
Many A True Nerd Indeed. I'm glad to hear. I really like your approach to the playthroughs so here's hoping you keep playing this very unique title. I'd also really love to see you try Victoria 2 someday.
Jon! The sword and green arrow in a circle during a sige... press it... just press it... rather than waiting 5 years for the defenders to just starve... You're not actually attacking the county... you're just besieging it and waiting for everyone inside to starve
Marc B. Poblet of course. But he did pay for the mercenaries. Might as well use them to speed things up since they dont really care about taking losses
The council becomes discontent after a succession or after the ruler goes against the councils wishes. It has nothing to do with the voting habits of the counselors. You can declare war on any vassal of your liege, regardless of their rank. Humiliation doesn't mean losing a war, it means the character was imprisoned and their captor chose to humiliate them as punishment. The levies raised by your liege are totally separate from the levies you see under the holding. And please just use the realm mapmode, especially now that you're not a vassal of England.
loving this series and never have seen this game before so I’m learning with you Jon and absolutely delighted. I think its better that youre learning while playing and making mistakes rather than being an expert right away. at least for me its much more beneficial and enjoyable that way. It is my favorite series of yours already though
Jon, you can force a siege and take a bit of casualties by storming the walls. Good use of mercenaries you don't plan on keeping around for much longer, it's the little arrow on the left you see when selecting an army that is in the middle of a siege.
As long as your troops out number the person who holds the count you should never have to hire mercs. The computer will raise troops to fight you meaning you can fight them on the battle field now the fort defenders are the only ones left to defend. Seiging down the county capital of someone who only have one county is usually good to get 100% war score after one fight.
Really enjoying this series so far. Didn't even know about this game but I decided to watch because it reminded me a little of mount and blade. I think M&B was the catalyst for me getting more into these types of games, they're really fun!
Jon, when you go to war don't think about having to siege a province down with its garrison present. The leader will almost always call up their levies to fight you, thus you only have to worry about the stragglers left behind.
Riiiiiight.... Your old Spymaster/mayor died of stress. Your old Spymaster/mayor was depressed. The newly elected mayor just so happened to be a better Spymaster? I guess he was.
"Janet! Where did that son come from?!" Well Jon, 🎶let me tell you 'bout the birds and the bees, and the flowers and the trees, and the moon up above, and a thing called looove🎶 XD
FYI, Jon. It says he leave succession because gavelkind allows family members to split from the kingdom if an equivalent sized territory can be created for him.
This is absolutely brilliant, reminds me of my early playthroughs. getting frustrated at successions I didn't expect and being confused as to why I haven't "reigned for 10 years" also to clarify "title loss on succession" it just means the character you become when you die wont get that particular title, yes you know this now but one more thing. You might not be ruling your brother once it happens, since glamorgan is not de jure part of your duchy, he could end up separate from you but under norway still. you're doing perfectly fine mate, and you don't need any help, you got a solid hang of the fundamentals, what you can expect from 20 hours playtime, but there is so much to this game that you will keep learning as you play even when you hit 50 hours playtime.
I was playing and my ruler and his son lived into their 70s. I was so surprised, I just kept wondering what black magic was keeping them alive. Apparently living everyday to the fullest really payed off, All thanks to my Bishop's little stray from pretty.
So is anyone gonna tell Jon about the assault button in the upper right hand corner of the siege screen? Makes wars go much faster with a superior force.
Your inheritance laws are different between Cornwall and Glemorgan If you look at your inheritance law page there are shields for each region. Same for other kinds of laws. This is why you haven't reigned for 10 years in Glemorgan. The loss on succession is referring to your personal demesne. Just means your direct heir won't directly control as much as you. I believe. But you are right -- chancing your laws to primogeniture should fix that.
@01:04:45 That is no renowned physician , he is a voodoo master xD , realy love the series and the story telling , hope I will continue it to the last ^_^
jon you really shouldnt have changed the noble obligation law, as nobles provide you with levy, and everyone else with money, as castles produce more levy, and temples and cities more money. So trying to flip this is just going to give you less money and less troops.
This is probably quite a good situation for you, since you're poised to take over all of Wales, and when that happens you'll be in a wonderful position to break free from Norway and form the kingdom of Wales, since it will take the Norwegian King a good while to be able to mobilise against you, and from memory you get quite a vicious ticking warscore in your favour for independence wars
Anything that say "X% yearly" basically means that during the 365 days, there is an X per cent chance of it happening. This means a thing can happen basically 6 times in a row and some things, like murder, can go to 200% and even higher, where my highest was at 500%.
Inheritance law is changed after 10 years of the current ruler taking power. You can see on your Dad that he did not have any titles as he died, because he has no frame around his face. If you click on a landed title you can press History to see who has owned the province over time.
Prestige is basically a marker on how much nobles like you. You have to have a really high number for it to work. Tribal societies can use prestige to upgrade their holdings.
Forts make the army have a ludicrously higher supply limit. I am not sure about the numbers but it is the difference of winning a war and The Soviet Union.
Go for Tanistry succession: its slightly better than traditional elective because only *Your* dynasty members are eligible candidates. The main downside of regular elective is that potentially a powerful, charming, or clever duke can use Elective succession to take away your primary title and its completely legal to do so. Also Tanistry is only available to rulers of Celtic cultures, so you have a unique toy that no one else gets to play around with
CK2 with all its mechanics does have the issue of slow, slow, VERY FAST... events so its easy to get swamped, and until you have a few hundred hours in it can be easy to miss something that MAY become important. but that's where the fun, and funny stuff occurs, Long live Norwegian Cornwall, the scones must flow. Keep up the great work Jon
You can't change succession because you need to rule as the Duke of Cornwall for ten years. You started out as the Count of Cornwall, but that's not the duchy. It should work by 1079, but you can also in the meantime hover over your Duke of Cornwall title and it'll tell you when you became duke.
I'm loving this series. I tried playing CK2 a while back, and quite frankly the complexity just pushed me back. But it looks really, really good if you can get past that.
Great series! Just thought I'd let you know the council become discontent if the ruler ignores them in a decision, or when there's a succession. malcontents is a council personality that just always vote against what their liege wants. Hope this helps explain! :)
You could move into Brittany and Ireland too. They might even be better than Wales at this point, because they're further away from England. Great play through so far!
Yeah, Jon should probably try to go for Ireland at some point and get some serious allies. I bet if he goes for Wales or Brittany he might be wrecked by england/karlings at some point :D
Changes the law, locking himself out of any other law changes for five years. His law: increasing the levies provided by his noble vassals. Number of noble vassals: zero.
Im just salted that he made the nobles increase his levies
rubs for you
He doesn't use any levies because they make them sad.
@Kia El Jon is infamous for his lack of perception.
I legit cannot believe the Prince of Norway and England married the daughter of the Duke of Cornwall, who only owns two tiny patches of land. She's got Margery level talent.
See, that's the power of the Cornish, they can marry into their liege's family, who is a double King, without even needing to worry
And they also married into the family of the Duke of Mercia that owns all of Northern England and got claims on 70% of Wales
I can confirm that I've been going over the comments, and will begin next part with a couple of quick corrections on the things I've most misunderstood - please keep in mind this is a VERY complex game that I've only put around 20 hours into so far.
Please don't take the complaints too personally! We just really want this series, which is already absolutely fantastic, to be the best it can be!
You only have 20hrs on this game?
That makes your progress pretty impressive. I would've believed that you had at least 75-100 hrs.
Its okay 20 hours in ck2 isn't walk and chew bubblegum territory, its I think I've got tying my shoes figured out, mostly. I had one game early on where I formed Ireland, inherited Scotland, conquered Wales, panicked over succession laws switched them along to try and keep from losing Wales. Lost Wales, lost Scotland, Ireland was being run by a who had been living in Spain when it was over run by the Muslims and converted.
You are doing great, I have just bought the game because of you and lol I was destroyed after one hour so you are doing really well
I dont know this game at all and find it very interesting.
The beautiful thing about Crusader Kings 2 is that your mistakes make the game better. I can't tell you how many times I have had more fun because my three male children died from plague and I had to frantically defend my realm as a 7 year old girl from all of my cousins or something similar. Never feel bad about mistakes in this game: the stories you get from them are the best ones.
yes mistakes make it better but claiming to be some sort of authority when you're wrong about basically everything you've said is just infuriating
"Apparently im superman for the next five years because I ate a cat"
Jon you will always be our favourite
E
5 years later; I come down to the comments without pausing the video to see if anyone said anything about the court physician and the cat and, just as I'm starting to read this comment, he says the quote above. My point? I don't really have one but it kinda freaked me out and amused me in equal measures.
Fell back asleep watching episode 1, playlist kept going. Dreamt of being a knight, occasionally heard jons voice. Sailed from Cornwall to conquer Ireland and Iceland. It was a weird dream
"My wife's pregnant again - PLEASE HAVE A SON."
Medieval Nobility in a nutshell
Dirty catholics, absolute cognatic elective catharism rulez ok.
Also, "sorry [daughter], I hope you packed a sweater."
And an axe, apparently.
CK 2 doing its job then
"Do we have a son or my future wife?"
Hey Jon, instead of simply disbanding the mercenaries, you could have ordered the to assault the holding. It's far faster than sieging but it kills a lot of your men. As it's mercenaries you were about to disband though, you don't actually care about their lives,so it would have been a good idea to order the assault.
I applaud to Jon's strategic genius, where he claimed like 7 years ago that English are gonna revolt one day against the foreign invaders and then marries his daughter on the prince of norway. And then puts all his best effort to speed the revolt up
Let me get this straight, in this episode Jon gets a std, almost dies, eats tabby and gets kicked out of england. This series is starting to sound like Mel Brooks History of the World part 2. This is awesome.
90-ish likes? This comment was _robbed_
Jon, please use realm map mode for warfare. It shows occupied territory whereas direct rule mapmode doesn't.
Edit: Another consequence is that you seem to not realise that Wales is not united and the other Welsh lords cannot intervene.
I agree
I mentioned this last episode. Hopefully he will learn from people who are veterans of this game.
I said that too
For all his talk of the game he seems fairly incompetent at playing it... Well... compared to other UA-camrs at least - sorry, but it's true... =/
It is a fairly complicated game to learn so quickly and I'm sure he's just made a few assumptions in trying to figure it all out.
No the welsh aren’t united!! That’s the problem with the vassals map mode! You can’t tell which are vassals and which are independent
You can technically tell their independence by the ABSOLUTELY GIGANTIC STRIPED BORDERS between them.
Winchester You have to take into account Jon’s perception score
That was also for the original commenter that in direct vassals mapmode you can tell the independent territories via the borders.
Winchester did you hear Jon saying “if the other welsh join in..” I agree with criticalmess
I don't know if your comment is just furthering your statement or is going against mine, it's a little bit confusing seeing the context. I know of Jon's -1 perception, I just also wanted to put it into yours that realm mode is technically not a 100% required to see independences.
But yes Jon's an unnoticing doofus.
Tabby, your sacrifice was not in vain!
How about *_screw you in particular?_*
what do you mean
Lets see how long until Jon realize his wife gets pregnant every time he is on campaign
He _had_ to get the great pox from _somewhere..._ :'D
Cadoc has been shooting blanks for years and she knows he wants some sons, shes doing the best she can!
Hmmm...
So King Harold of England had a son and named him Magnus. Meanwhile King Harald of Norway had a son and named him... Magnus. Huh.
baerauble lol, ck2 doesn’t have that many names. And won’t get more unless you ADD them yourself
Ex-King Harold: "...just swap 'em over when noones looking..."
Both were actually historical figures
Gaming Master Anthony CK2 has a shitload of names, but characters tend to name their sons after prestigious and powerful lords of the realm. Just like in real life, nobles in the middle ages would very often be called "Charles/Karl " after Charlemagne, or like half of the Byzantine Basileis were called "Alexios" after Alexios Komnenos, and various other examples.
doctoring
Bjarkenb a burnt cat
Amazing! Explain to me again how sheep's bladders can be employed to stop earthquakes.
To be fair, from what I saw he still had the pox, so eating a burnt cat was actually to cure the headache, which it seemed to do cause that disappeared from the trait list, right?
tpbloomfield no, the headache (symptom) was substituted by the Great Pox (disease), which includes the headache debuff. The charred cat wasn't so much treatment as it was placebo, but it was effective. It's the middle ages, there is no medical science, just random flukes for what works and doesn't. Duke Cadoc believes the dead cat makes him feel better, but what actually made him feel better was , and both him and his physician will never know, but he is as good as treated.
Also, Court Physicians don't cure diseases, they offer treatments. The disease will continue, sometimes for the rest of the character's life, the treatments simply allow the character to still live a normal life.
Ah okay. That's a fairly detailed explanation of how it works, thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. :)
Loving the series! Just a heads up - cities (mayors) make more money than they do levies; baronies/counties/duchies (nobles) generate more (and better quality) levies than they do money - should definitely swing to levy oriented obligations for nobles and tax oriented obligations for cities!
(Churches are a blend of taxes and levies, though if they like the pope more than you they'll send the tax to him)
In my opinion, vassal levies never really make much of a difference. In the early game, it's almost always your personal levies that make up 90% of your army. Later in the game, you are either fighting small realms where your large personal levy can crush them without the need to bother your vassals, or you are fighting huge empires where your retinues will still be able to pick up the slack. In my WC a few patches ago, I pretty much never found myself raising vassal levies outside of a few early defensive wars.
As such, it generally makes more sense to push noble obligations in favor of taxes, so you can reinvest that money into building useful things like barracks and stables in your own land instead of the gold going to buy baroness humfilda the triple chinned a new necklace or whatever vassals seem to waste money on.
Verdiss Absolutely true, though I do tend to use vassal levies up until my second duchy at least, hence why I'd focus on them early (of which you can switch later)
levies are never worth it in my opinion, always better getting more mnies out of them to improve your own holdings
Jon, you’re not playing in the most efficient manner possible. You don’t understand a lot of the mechanics. You completely miss quite a few things going on.
But you know what? That’s FINE. Sure you should try and make sure to understand the mechanics, but you don’t need to play this game in the best way possible. Everyone screaming advice at you to do this, that, or the other thing seem to forget about what makes this game so great. It’s a STORY! It’s about your family growing and interacting with all the others in medieval Europe. It’s about the plots, the romances, the horrors, the wars, the world that emerges around these people you control. Playing things efficiently with breeding programs, casually murdering anyone that annoys you, and expanding all the time has been done so many times on other channels. They’re great, obviously, but they’re not YOU.
So make sure you correct any misunderstandings, but other than that, HAVE FUN. We’ll love watching your story unfold.
...and pay attention because seriously, you’re much better in these videos, but you can miss a fair deal. Like the border between the Welsh Kingdoms.
This is the best hot take.
This Guy right here, criticalmess34, he gets it
Fantastic advice... Until the bit about paying attention, because this is Jon we're talking about, and hes sitting firm at a constant natural one for perception.
You're absolutely right. To be honest though most of us are trying to help, not to criticize.
Yea, I have around 1000 hours into CK2. I wish I could forget it all and play it fresh again.
The learning moments are the best.
The "78% of liege" in the factions screen shows your relative power to the liege. If you had joined they would have had 98% and if it goes over 100% they might start the war.
I hope you saw that and this isn't just -1 perception.
Noble vassals are barons (owns a castle), counts (owns a county), duke (owns a duchy) and king (owns a kingdom) you have none so there is no point to changing the noble obligations law.
^^^^^^^FFS
Mercenary companies come with their own commanders. The expensive companies can have amazing commanders.
Harold of Essex isn't hated because he lost the war but because Harold Hardrada humiliated him. You can do that to prisoners and after that they get released for some reason.
You do know that you can build buildings to improve castles, cities and churches? I'm worried because you didn't realise that is the other thing affected by that build time modifier and that's an important mechanic.
“Janet, where did that son come from?”
Jon, you failed to be English enough for England.
"Independence? I'd be happy if that happened, but I'm not going to sign up for it."
"Oh. England is back and they didn't invite me!"
Yes more CK2 goodness.
I'm pretty sure Lover's Pox is herpes.
And the most interesting bit, is that if you take over enough duchies of Wales, you can declare yourself King of Wales, which would let you become free of Magnus. Well... Best of luck!
You can't create a title equal to your leige.
Oh yeah! You need to declare freedom first! sorry, forgot!
Can confirm jon is doing really well given he only just started playing recently. My first couple of games were regularly punctuated by me getting up and pacing around screaming how nothing makes any sense.
Under Gavelkind, titles you hold are split (mostly) evenly amongst your children. If you have any male heirs, they are the only inheritors; if you have only daughters, then they split the realm. If you have only a single top tier title for your realm (e.g. for your realm, a duchy title), your children will effectively only split the lower tier titles (e.g., the counties). However, the capital duchy and counties always go to your direct heir. The exception to this is if a child is forced into a bishopric (or to take the vows, I think, though I don’t have Sons of Abraham so cannot confirm), they cannot inherit.
The title loss notification is because your next avatar will lose direct control of the title, in this case to another member of your dynasty.
I can confirm if u wish to remove a son from succession you can nominate them to replace a religious head, not actually even elect them - just nominate. nominating is enough to remove them from succession. i did it all the time to remove the losers and control gavelkind elections. +1 would cheese again
Well, my West Norway joke from part 1 has gotten even better here at the end! All hail our Duke of West Norway!!!
A way you can join England again which is actually pretty cheeky is to go to the factions tab, start the independence faction and just with yourself send the ultimatum go into an Independence war with Norway, but since you are not in Scandinavia it will take a while for Norway to get there. So while they are sending forces to you immediately go to the Ruler of England and ask to be a vassal and doing so will end the independence war and you will be part of England again, but be warned the King of England can reject your offer so you are basically screwed in the Independence war. So use this method at your own risk.
P.S. I really love your videos and I am offering this advice to see if I can help. Love you and keep making these vids!!!!
I believe you can't swear fealty while you hold a temporary title (Norwegian Revolt). Also, the revolt title would be King-tier, which means the option to swear fealty to a King won't even appear.
Or is it different because Cornwall is not a part of De Jure Norway?
I believe it is different because you are not part of de jure Norway, but I only saw this method once years ago on an earlier version of the game so I don't really know if it will work now.
Jon: confidently pronounces French and Latin names and terms.
Also Jon: stumbles on Welsh and Anglo-Saxon names.
Don’t ever change, Jon.
Tbf he is dating a French woman and studied Classics at university
Nepwrath sure, I get that. Still, it’s not like Wales or Wessex are on the other side of the planet from London.
(That said, as an ignorant American, I most assuredly would murder most Anglicized Welsh names, even after looking at Wikipedia and puzzling over an IPA pronunciation guide, so don’t mind me.)
Speaking as a Brit, the English have never been able to pronounce Welsh names. As for Anglo-Saxon names most of the ones he's struggled with iirc, have been Old-English names which are pretty much completely out of use now so it makes sense to struggle with them.
Nepwrath fair enough on both points.
Fun thing is that if you're a German native speaker old english feels more like a german accent and less like english.
This is such a joy for me to watch :) while It's clear that you don't have a complete grasp on all the game mechanics (There's a lot of them damn it :P) But you keep on with an enthusiasm and joy like always :) Keep up the good work Jon!
it's enfuriating,
so if tabby goes missing we know what jon did
dutch whofian, joh must have got tired from serving the tabbys in that galactic war...
Yeah, cured his syphilis :3
I love this.
A vassal count of a Duke owes another Duke a favor, so that Duke can then force him to aid in a plot to remove the current Duke, and claim his lands. Since that Vassal Count is a Chancellor for the Duke, he could potentially starve the Duke of money, so when the plot is set in motion, the Duke will not be able to fund his armies, and will not be able to actually fight off the attack from the enemy Duke. Thus, simply having a favor of a Chancellor, and using that to starve a Duke of money whilst you fabricate a claim on that Dukes lands, means you could stop him from being able to afford a mercenary band to aid him, and his own levies would leave him after he fails to pay them, thus making capturing his land possible simply with a single favor, and a little bit of claim fabrication. It's like 4d chess. Thinking 5 steps ahead, whilst still driving towards the chess game. The game hasn't even started yet and you're already plotting out how to win that land.
I love CK2. I know it wouldn't work that way, but if it did it'd be awesome.
Jon to understand the size of an army of a person better would be to look at their character tab.
Not really useful for large realms which will pull most of their armies from their vassals under them. You could use the Ledger for an accurate measure, or the Realm View button on the character tab to have a closer idea. There are also huge modifiers, like demesne size, martial score, vassal opinion and even decisions that can completely screw up the expected size/actual size ratio of a character's army.
Mandos Aldmer the number on the the character tab measures every thing you said. The only time it is not accrate is when a character is tribal.
I don't care how well this is being played or not.. it's highly entertaining! Good job Jon, great series, look forward to more.
Jon always manages to get himself into Wile E. Coyote scenarios where shit blows up in his face XD
Jon I said this last episode but you don't seem to have gathered that the only traits which can be inherited are things like strong, weak, genius, quick, or inbred, if the icon is heart shaped it can be inherited but otherwise it won’t be, to pass on traits like Midas touched have a high skill individual educate children between the ages of 12 and 16.
He may have recorded some stuff in bulk...
You're almost certainly correct but I have a right to scream into the screen in the hopes it will affect things.
More specifically, green and blue hearts are inheritable traits. Red and yellow hearts are for diseases, which aren't.
Esgez Gzegzeg I forgot to mention that in my comment explaining inheritable traits to Jon, hopefully he notices
Certain diseases are inheritable.
Not sure if anyone else has commented this yet, so here we go:
Jon, the warning about inheritance doesn't mean Glamorgan will be leaving the realm when you die. Simply put, it means it will no longer be under your direct control at that point. Because you have 2 sons and gavelkind inheritance, Jon (the primary heir) will gain the Duchy title as well as the De Jure heartlands (Cornwall and Devon) while your second son will become a vassal of Jon as the Count of Glamorgan. It's still in your realm, but it's not a part of your demesne. In fact, the last thing you need is another son, as you would then "lose" Devon as well.
Jon you can upgrade stuff by click on the picture in the holdings tab e.g click the castle to upgrade troop+money received its good to do.... Loving this series BTW :)
You started out trying to turn Cornwall into an empire, and ended up as the Norwegian ambassador to England. A prime example of how quickly Paradox games can turn on you.
Best series on youtube atm, hands down.
only one im waiting on
While your reasoning concerning the need to have an attacking force that outnumbers the defenders to be able to siege is correct, there is one factor you are ignoring. The levy constitutes the men that can be called to arms to go out and fight on that place, the garrison are the guys who stay to hold the fort. Meaning you dont really need to outnumber garrison + levy, because most of the time you will meet the levy on the battlefield, leaving only the garrison to defend the province. What that means is you didnt actually need mercs to invade that welsh province.
Stellaris is by far the easiest PDX game to just "pick up and play", due to the way it gets more complex with time. CK2, EU4 and Victoria2 are infamous for throwing you right into the action from the start. The mechanical complexity is there from day one, which makes them much harder to learn. Which is why there is no shame in watching a video tutorial. Arumba's tutorial series might be old (its from 2014), meaning many expansions ago, but it still succeds in teaching the basics, which are the most important part.
I have watched a few tutorials already - it's just that taking what somebody else says, and then actually putting into practice in game isn't always that easy - you do kind of need to play around yourself to really get a feel for things.
Many A True Nerd Indeed. I'm glad to hear. I really like your approach to the playthroughs so here's hoping you keep playing this very unique title. I'd also really love to see you try Victoria 2 someday.
Jons out of context quotes
"im going to give that little baby a focus in humility"
“Very very useful indeed” should be the slogan of this series.
Jon! The sword and green arrow in a circle during a sige... press it... just press it... rather than waiting 5 years for the defenders to just starve...
You're not actually attacking the county... you're just besieging it and waiting for everyone inside to starve
Bear in mind that you can incur significant attrition when doing this, though... sieges took years _for a reason._
Marc B. Poblet of course. But he did pay for the mercenaries. Might as well use them to speed things up since they dont really care about taking losses
It's a bit monstrous, but yeah, if you're going to disband them you might as well throw them at the walls first.
If you don't pay them, they'll do that to YOU, so it's not even monstrous, they deserve it for how much they cost!
Marc B. Poblet I mean, it's only cost effective, despite how terrible it sounds. Really there probably should be a penalty for it but alas, not
Aw, missed opportunity to title this one Damn it, Janed!
You're absolutely right about what happened with succession after the norwegian king died :)
I'm learning!
The council becomes discontent after a succession or after the ruler goes against the councils wishes. It has nothing to do with the voting habits of the counselors.
You can declare war on any vassal of your liege, regardless of their rank.
Humiliation doesn't mean losing a war, it means the character was imprisoned and their captor chose to humiliate them as punishment.
The levies raised by your liege are totally separate from the levies you see under the holding.
And please just use the realm mapmode, especially now that you're not a vassal of England.
I am a big CK2 player watching this series I love it. It feels like the feeling when I just started playing ck2
loving this series and never have seen this game before so I’m learning with you Jon and absolutely delighted. I think its better that youre learning while playing and making mistakes rather than being an expert right away. at least for me its much more beneficial and enjoyable that way. It is my favorite series of yours already though
Nice to see people offering advice on gameplay as there's alot of things I still don't understand.
It's like watching Versailles and Game of Thrones. I love watching this.
Really interesting game. Cool historical aspects. Cant wait next part!👍😀
I haven't played CK2 yet but training your nephew for assassinations when you've only got the 1 son doesnt seem all that smart to me.....
Jon, you can force a siege and take a bit of casualties by storming the walls. Good use of mercenaries you don't plan on keeping around for much longer, it's the little arrow on the left you see when selecting an army that is in the middle of a siege.
As long as your troops out number the person who holds the count you should never have to hire mercs. The computer will raise troops to fight you meaning you can fight them on the battle field now the fort defenders are the only ones left to defend. Seiging down the county capital of someone who only have one county is usually good to get 100% war score after one fight.
"OK, have fun being on a boat."~ Jon 2018
Really enjoying this series so far. Didn't even know about this game but I decided to watch because it reminded me a little of mount and blade. I think M&B was the catalyst for me getting more into these types of games, they're really fun!
As a result of watching Game Of Thrones, hearing someone say they send their regards fills me with dread.
Jon, when you go to war don't think about having to siege a province down with its garrison present. The leader will almost always call up their levies to fight you, thus you only have to worry about the stragglers left behind.
Riiiiiight....
Your old Spymaster/mayor died of stress. Your old Spymaster/mayor was depressed. The newly elected mayor just so happened to be a better Spymaster?
I guess he was.
This comment is golden 😂
Jon, with all this going down and Cornwall being kept out of the new England, you know what it means, don't you?
Revenge. Cold, bold, revenge.
"Janet! Where did that son come from?!" Well Jon, 🎶let me tell you 'bout the birds and the bees, and the flowers and the trees, and the moon up above, and a thing called looove🎶 XD
FYI, Jon. It says he leave succession because gavelkind allows family members to split from the kingdom if an equivalent sized territory can be created for him.
The highlight of my biweek. Keep it up Jon!
If you're a King named Harald, you have to name your heir Magnus, it's the law.
This series is beautiful
This is absolutely brilliant, reminds me of my early playthroughs.
getting frustrated at successions I didn't expect and being confused as to why I haven't "reigned for 10 years"
also to clarify "title loss on succession" it just means the character you become when you die wont get that particular title, yes you know this now but one more thing.
You might not be ruling your brother once it happens, since glamorgan is not de jure part of your duchy, he could end up separate from you but under norway still.
you're doing perfectly fine mate, and you don't need any help, you got a solid hang of the fundamentals, what you can expect from 20 hours playtime, but there is so much to this game that you will keep learning as you play even when you hit 50 hours playtime.
About the trade posts, you have to be a merchant republic or the county has to be on the silk road which is only on the east.
Keep up with the amazing content. This is my favourite series after you finished total war thrones of Britannia
I'm so damn happy every time I see an episode of this. thank you so much Jon.
I was playing and my ruler and his son lived into their 70s. I was so surprised, I just kept wondering what black magic was keeping them alive. Apparently living everyday to the fullest really payed off, All thanks to my Bishop's little stray from pretty.
So is anyone gonna tell Jon about the assault button in the upper right hand corner of the siege screen? Makes wars go much faster with a superior force.
Milord, your vassals demand an endless supply of this series. Should you refuse they will insist on gavelkind succession.
I was so worried episodes were going to come out once a week.
Every time I see a new one coming out I' so pleasantly surprised.
Should of called your last son Benor
Your inheritance laws are different between Cornwall and Glemorgan If you look at your inheritance law page there are shields for each region. Same for other kinds of laws. This is why you haven't reigned for 10 years in Glemorgan.
The loss on succession is referring to your personal demesne. Just means your direct heir won't directly control as much as you. I believe. But you are right -- chancing your laws to primogeniture should fix that.
Every time I start watching one of these videos I think "oops, left youtube on a higher playback speed again . . . wait, no I didn't"
Jon's first time with gavelkind... beautiful...
Lovers pox is herpes Jon
The fact that Harold Norway made Harold England his steward is perpetually hilarious.
Loved this from the start, but now. Hell yes.
@01:04:45 That is no renowned physician , he is a voodoo master xD , realy love the series and the story telling , hope I will continue it to the last ^_^
jon you really shouldnt have changed the noble obligation law, as nobles provide you with levy, and everyone else with money, as castles produce more levy, and temples and cities more money. So trying to flip this is just going to give you less money and less troops.
Jon, if you use the realm map mode and hold ctrl and click on Norway, you see the vassals of only Norway
This is probably quite a good situation for you, since you're poised to take over all of Wales, and when that happens you'll be in a wonderful position to break free from Norway and form the kingdom of Wales, since it will take the Norwegian King a good while to be able to mobilise against you, and from memory you get quite a vicious ticking warscore in your favour for independence wars
You can build buildings in your castles and cities too. There are tons of buildings and it's important for the long term success.
This episode was great! I loved the intrigue, cant wait to see the next one :)
Hello it's me again with my +1000 hours of this game advice. If you think I have no life, you are correct!
Anything that say "X% yearly" basically means that during the 365 days, there is an X per cent chance of it happening. This means a thing can happen basically 6 times in a row and some things, like murder, can go to 200% and even higher, where my highest was at 500%.
Inheritance law is changed after 10 years of the current ruler taking power. You can see on your Dad that he did not have any titles as he died, because he has no frame around his face. If you click on a landed title you can press History to see who has owned the province over time.
You do not need to understand battles in this game. Rule of thumb is that Heavy wins over Light. The more soldiers you have the better.
Prestige is basically a marker on how much nobles like you. You have to have a really high number for it to work. Tribal societies can use prestige to upgrade their holdings.
Forts make the army have a ludicrously higher supply limit. I am not sure about the numbers but it is the difference of winning a war and The Soviet Union.
Go for Tanistry succession: its slightly better than traditional elective because only *Your* dynasty members are eligible candidates. The main downside of regular elective is that potentially a powerful, charming, or clever duke can use Elective succession to take away your primary title and its completely legal to do so. Also Tanistry is only available to rulers of Celtic cultures, so you have a unique toy that no one else gets to play around with
CK2 with all its mechanics does have the issue of slow, slow, VERY FAST... events so its easy to get swamped, and until you have a few hundred hours in it can be easy to miss something that MAY become important. but that's where the fun, and funny stuff occurs,
Long live Norwegian Cornwall, the scones must flow.
Keep up the great work Jon
You can't change succession because you need to rule as the Duke of Cornwall for ten years. You started out as the Count of Cornwall, but that's not the duchy. It should work by 1079, but you can also in the meantime hover over your Duke of Cornwall title and it'll tell you when you became duke.
I'm loving this series. I tried playing CK2 a while back, and quite frankly the complexity just pushed me back. But it looks really, really good if you can get past that.
Failing is half the fun, don't let the complexity keep you from playing, just keep learning as you go. :)
Also if you click on a holding a menu pops up where you can build improvements and a lot of the time it is very useful especially a small count
So hyped for every video of this series. Keep up the good work man.3
Every time the map moves over Mercia I read Merica
After all Harald has done you would think there would have been some "Old Lion" trait he could develop.
Great series! Just thought I'd let you know the council become discontent if the ruler ignores them in a decision, or when there's a succession. malcontents is a council personality that just always vote against what their liege wants. Hope this helps explain! :)
Your commentary makes this gave so interesting!
"I feel like that should be a high priority message!"
Gets Syphilis... Decides to focus on family...
You could move into Brittany and Ireland too. They might even be better than Wales at this point, because they're further away from England. Great play through so far!
Yeah, Jon should probably try to go for Ireland at some point and get some serious allies. I bet if he goes for Wales or Brittany he might be wrecked by england/karlings at some point :D