Globally more energy is derived from burning wood than wind and solar combined. Burning wood precedes domestication of animals by several thousand years…
ICEs will be manufactured for underdeveloped countries? What stupidity. An underdeveloped country is the place where few new cars are sold. Where very, very few expensive new cars are sold. You can't run an ICEV factory and produce an affordable car unless you can sell several hundred thousand per year. China has shown that it's possible to make a decent EV for less than $10k. That's going to sell in underdeveloped countries. They'll forgo high range and high speed in exchange for utility. And underdeveloped countries don't have oil wells and oil refineries. They have to import fuel, paying with scarce dollars. Buy solar and wind once, be done with the cash drain.
ehh, ICE engines will become pretty niche if the number of gas stations fall dramatically. suddenly the drive to get gas is less convenient than any charge. seems more likely some companies think they can't compete with China so are milking denial for everything it can produce.
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China is currently in a financial tail spin, not something to envy.
Ice is going to decline as Tony Seba Predicts in "Clean Disruption." All I hear is excuses as all of legacy is struggling. Name a legacy that is not seeing their profits drop.
Developing markets will buy inexpensive EVs and rely on electricity . The US will hold on to ICE for as long as possible, while our dock workers continue to resist automation ( as well)
Expecting developing countries to adopt systems that were abandoning is foolish. Especially when renewable energy and microgrids make EVs more feasible than having to maintain refineries and fuel logistics.
These car analysts...lacks of deep understand market changes. We went from Blacklberry to iPhone and Android faster than planned. Or from Kodak to digital photos. When the technologies bring values, the switch is MUCH faster than people think.
There have to be enough unique situations to create scale. Can you imagine if all the parts in an ICE had to be handbuilt? Ever tear down an engine and see all the different parts that need factories to produce?
Bi-directional charging only makes sense to power your own house in a blackout. Having the power company wear out your car battery cycling it, because they don't want to build backup capacity into their own system is a NON-STARTER as far as I am concerned, Bad idea. Corporate welfare that YOU would be paying for when your car battery dies early.
Every day might be bad. But an occasional use case where the utility was willing to pay high prices to buy the power may make sense. An acquaintance (wife's friend) in CA bay area paid for her solar roof by selling power this way w/o a battery system. Of course the power companies and PSC's can make and break this with regulations. They have all the cards on this one.
Well sure, Model T's are still around as well, just not many of them! The current slight slump in EV sales is a temporary bump in the road. In my view you can thank the enormous propaganda campaign by the Oil industry to scare the average buyer away. However the advantages of an EV will shine through. I bought my first EV a year ago and have had such a positive experience and my per mile energy costs have plummeted 90% compared to my previous ICE. I would never go back to an ICE vehicle, they are expensive, dirty & require take up valuable time with regular visits for servicing! There are NO servicing requirements with an EV other tire rotation and wiper blades!
Indeed. We saw how Africa leapfrogged over phone lines phase and jumped straight into cellphones with dramatic growth. The same is starting to happen with renewables, they lack the expensive and cumbersome fueling infrastructure in many areas, so no old baggage holds them back, turns out to be a blessing in disguise now. And as result they seem to be adopting solar and electrification much more easily, some Africa countries even build their own local EV bikes. China seems to be extremely well positioned for this transition in the third world, dominating in both solar industry and sub $10k EV solutions.
@@tetchuma unfettered capitalism… sucks. So does unfettered versions of most any government. They all need checks and balances. The ideal is the least government intervention that will keep corporations in line.
If designers truly believe consumers will pick up on this XT5's design language as being influenced by '59 Cadillac fins.....having once owned a 1959 CDV.... I'd say, "They're dreaming."
@@Jag-leaperNo, no, no..... Cadillac is far from dead; they'll be around for a long time to come. You must remember that "this" XT5 is for a different market. Been to CA lately? Big Cadillac SUVs are as prevalent as super high-end foreign makes. No, no....Cadillac is not dead.
Yeah sure thing, storms are a novelty, there was no storm before cars were invented. Idc about your clean energy, let nature do its thing, wipe off the human species and start again, if you still believe humans got a future you’re naive
Demands for less automation deployment will ultimately accelerate the adoption of full automation. Those who lose jobs might always find work as elevator operators. Oh, Uh, I forgot, those are pretty few and far between now. God bless those who fall victim to technology, and those who see it coming and respond with due diligence, rather than entitled opposition.
BEVS sales are not declining globally. Lets look at ICE decline in auto sales. 2018: 2 million 2019: 2 million 2020: 3 million 2021: 5 million 2022: 5 million Waiting for 2023 global numbers.
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As of the latest data, internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles still dominate the U.S. car market, making up over 80% of total car sales. On the other hand, hybrid vehicles (including plug-in hybrids and battery electric vehicles) account for 16.3% of light duty vehicle sales.
If it turns out that there's a niche that can only be filled by an ICE engine it may well be a diesel running on biofuel. Basically, on cooking oil. As demand for fuel declines refineries will close down. When demand is low enough the last refinery will either not sell enough and go bankrupt or will have a serious repair need and decide to not bother.
No worries bro…… the public will bail out the mistakes of management. The future is EV. China making things the US can only dream about . 100 grand for a 1/2 ton truck ….. laughable . Make up people
Two points, one on Stellantis--sell the cars you make for the rest of the world here in the US. Second-- on the wealth revolt in the CCP. How about a story about the confiscating of eBikes to make sure that its citizenry buys cars...
The idea that gasoline will be available in third world / developing markets after the US / EU / CN all drop ICE vehicles is comical. The supply chain for gasoline refining is global, fragile, and highly subsidized by first world countries... If they don't need it anymore, the developing world certainly won't be able to support it.
E-rev - better than some of the weak hybrids and weak plugins they're trying to sell now, it was a good idea in 2014 when BMW i3 REX did it, it's old news now
They're dragging on production, but even without bolt GM has as many or more EV models than Ford and stillanus combined, more than Volvo, VW, Bmw, Mercedes, Rivian, hyundai, Kia, all the Japanese auto makers
The issue is not that ICE vehicles being around until 2099. The real question is will we be here by that time. If we continue with ICE vehicles at our current levels we may be gone mush sooner than 2099. It’s important to keep progressing towards electric and other clean vehicles. We cannot afford to keep moving forward on this planet with gas powered vehicles. This is coming from someone who almost died from driving a Chrysler 200c. The car was releasing C02 into the cabin. I kept taking it back, I went to the top the company would not repair or replace the car. My doctor found high levels of carbon monoxide in my blood. Still Chrysler would not do anything. I had to cut a loss and get another car that I can drive safely but I do have damage to my body from breathing on those poisons and toxins for over a year. I live in Dallas where the air quality is very bad. People are allowed to modify their truck to roll coal. Air quality alone kills millions of humans all over the planet. Most of us never consider our cars for being the reason for cancer or being sick. If you are fatigued after driving your car, a headache coughing and you don’t smoke. It’s your environment and possibly your car.
Tesla is the best car company ever! No gas stations, no oil changes, no smog checks, no catalytic converter, no maintenance, 89% customer retention and quicker than a $650,000 Lamborghini.!
@@toyotaprius79 Big Tesla fan, and I love Aptera, I even invested in it just to help them out. It's just a question of waiting to see if they succeed in actually producing them, the funding is still a challenge it seems. And then if they can weather a difficult auto market. The concept is great, but it's not an easy market to enter.
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Tesla always over promises and under delivers, and after almost 20 years of business their cars are still junk quality.
Indeed, ICE fanatics need help, they're in denial of global progress right before their eyes. These companies are wasting their funds on PR spin while they continue to report disastrous results like this, you'd think it would be too obvious where it's going by now.
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Plenty of fanatical fanboys here, about 90% of the comments.
Come on. EVs are cleaner, safer, more reliable, have better performance. Soon, all solar/wind/battery power will be the lowest cost energy globally. Batteries and vehicles get better and cheaper every year. Legacy auto, politicians buying votes, oil oligarchs all slowing down adoption. Meanwhile, Norway EV sales have hit 90%.
Your myopic view of America only just shows you don’t understand the Auto market. GM has been plummeting in sales for a decade. They used to sell 10+ MILLION vehicles and now they’re down to 6 million and falling. GM is going to lose almost their entire Chinese sales and will plummet in the US as well this decade.
Bi-Directional Charging is by far the dumbest thing ever, just thinking of mandating it shows how the grid is nowhere near ready for the influx of EVs, this is what California and PG&E want so they can get free power when they need it and leave you hanging when you need the range of your car. Charge you (oh at discount i'm sure, yeah) to keep power for them xD what a joke and to think people are getting brain washed into thinking this is ok. Come out to your car one day to find 25 miles charging xD xD xD yeah right, because we know it will be at random sometimes and you have to pay the price for it. When the day comes i get a EV, that will be the first thing that gets deleted or something inline to prevent power going back into system.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Bi-Directional Charging makes great sense to power your own home in an outage or other scenario. Getting your cheaper electricity during off-peak hours and using it to power your home during peak hours. Also, you can simply unhook your vehicle if you don’t want to share power during peak hours. There are plenty of people getting paid well for VPPs currently.
@@DavidC-pg6ni xD replies to me with "You don’t know what you’re talking about" but not one sentence said anythinng rebutting what i was talking about. 1) "Charging makes great sense" for your own home yes, sure does, nothing to do with the grid, nothing to do with what they're talking about nor what i was talking about either, pointless comment is pointless. 2) "you can simply unhook your vehicle" wasn't that just what i was talking about in the first place WOW! pointless comment is pointless round 2 3) "getting paid well for VPPs" interesting because i know 9 different people in Cali right now that only have a fixed rate or are about to lose there fixed rate after 2027 with PG&E and SCEdison on there solar plans, and they tell you what you get paid and that's it, because they know what's about to happen in the coming years. In the past 15 years they went from paying a small amount, to nothing, to getting paid from time to time, now back to some months paying nothing to paying back again. Non of them are getting "paid well" so wonder where that could be coming from Hmmmmmmm can't imagine it would get worse over time either, your right, not possible.
55% of ALL New Vehicle Sales in the Largest Market in the World are now Plug-in. Norway already 90%+ New EV sales, with the rest of Scandinavian Countries following closely behind. The only place dragging behind in the advanced economies is the US and we see their Legacy Automakers collapsing this decade. Wasting money on Stock Buybacks to enrich the CEOs and Managers, while killing the long term value of the shareholders.
ICE will still be around but increasingly only for the wealthy as parts dry up and engineers leave the field. Young engineers are putting their studies into EV and battery tech instead of ICE development. As the old engineers age out of the field quality and development cycles of ICE will become more and more woeful and factories switch the supply chain towards EVs. ICE will become only for exotics and collectors.
ICE vehicles will be around for a very long time, no doubt!!! Even if the perfect battery were already here it will take decades to build enough electric power generation to go around and infrastructure to deliver it.
A few years back one of the DOE labs did a study on the grid and EVs. They found that if every car and light truck in the US turned into an EV overnight we had enough spare capacity to charge 80% of them. Our transmission system would supply 70%. Vehicles are transitioning to EVs over time, not over night. We'll have no problem staying ahead of demand. A very large solar farm can be constructed and brought online in a year. In fact, parts of it can start coming online in only a few months. A very large wind farm can be built in less than two years. It takes about three days to stand a wind tower, install the turbine on top, and connect it to the grid. Our current batteries are just fine. Affordable, non-flammable, and very long lasting (LFPs). And the price should get even better.
Did you know it takes a ton of energy to extract and refine oil? In some case studies EVs replacing oil actually even reduce grid pressure in some areas. Clean air, more efficient transport, and less energy wasted to simply "create" energy for an inefficient ICE vehicle to consume.
Nonsense Fossil Fuels FUD! Norway already 90% EVs. China 55% New EV Sales. Sweden, Denmark, Etc. all over 50% New Plugins Sales. The tide has ALREADY turned and the Grid is already handling this in other countries, the US is MORE than capable of doing this too. Texas has one of the highest rates of Renewables of any state with more wind than anywhere else in the US. Once politicians stop taking bribes in the form of political donations from BIG OIL and BIG Auto, the whole ICE system collapses.
The grid is doing fine. Some of the language in today's report was a bit misleading. Over the last three years, California has completely eliminated rolling blackouts, which used to happen quite frequently. They did it by adding a large amount of solar generation and battery storage to the grid. There was also a boom in residential solar and battery installations, including the ability to feed power to the grid when needed. Meanwhile, California's auto sales are over 25% BEV. EVs are all over the place in California, and yet, they have eliminated the rolling blackouts they used to have.
Which likely wont be the case for long, as EV volumes scale up and their technologies advances further, their costs go down, pulling demand from ICE, which is at a dead end in development by comparison. This in turn reduces production scale and shuts down more factories, raising the cost of producing ICE products and parts, which in turn feed into ICE demand shifting to more EV demand. Rinse and repeat, the virtuous cycles of disruption and obsolescence working in tandem as usual.
You still find plenty of places in Africa that are still running 40 plus year old Mercedes W123's Fortunately for them, those W123's will still be running 40 years from now. Meanwhile, think of all those Tesla's that will have been added to the junkyard.
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Eventually EV's will replace passenger vehicles probably in the next two decades but for shipping using tractor trailer rigs, trains, ships, heavy earth moving equipment, aircraft, diesel fuel and jet fuel will be around indefinitely.
@@bobbbobb4663Not many teslas in the junkyard old coot. Nobody will be running 40 year old Mercedes in 40 years. The pollution from them is terrible and with $10K EVs, those old Dinosaurs will be Fossils.
Tractor Trailers are already being replaced with EVs as we speak. Ships and Ferries as well. It’s just a matter of time and capacity and Battery Capacity is scaling up dramatically every year.
Just saw VW asks for only about 23k for a fully loaded Passat in China. With heated, ventilated, adjustable rear seats. And so much more. Same car would be double if not 3 time the price in North America and Europe. VW just wants to be as uncompetitive as possible and nickle and dime customers. I sat in the current gen Tiguan they give us in the US. A higher end version and it had such poor build quality. Felt like a 2000s American car. All cheap black plastic. They are absolutely determined to not try. And after days of no power thanks to this hurricane I have even more skepticism about owning a EV. Still have gas stations. Don't have a place to charge any potential EV.
ICE will be around for a long, long time for a very simple reason that the only problem EVs solve is pollution in large Chinese cities. EV contribution to reduction of CO2 emissions is very minor, given that personal transportation consumes only about 5% of energy globally and and most of electricity is generated by burning natural gas and coal. At some point even automotive journalists and politicians will understand that replacing all ICEs with EVs will have only minor impact on CO2 emissions and that it will be necessary to look at areas where most of energy is being consumed (heating & cooling and industrial processes). That’s assuming the desire to reduce global CO2 emissions is serious.
Nonsense. It’s NOT CO2, it’s toxic pollution coming out of your tailpipe that poisons your family and your friends and your neighbors and yourself. Anybody who can’t tell that EVs have already dominated the largest New Vehicle Markets and are scaling faster than ICE vehicles ever did doesn’t understand that Global Impacts on the supply chains as China goes nearly 100% EVs by the end of the Decade for New Vehicle Sales. Europe is already there in some countries like Norway and the Scandinavian Countries. The rest of Europe is following suit quickly. The US will catch up soon as the Prices of EVs continue to drop and ICE vehicles continue to go up in price.
Tesla 10/10 Leaked Speech Preview: "Today, we show off 10 years of autonomy by creating a geo-fence inside of a geo-fence! Yessir, we programmed a single route in an area that will never receive public traffic! We call it the Giga-fence!"
well well well Mr Blobb, another unprompted comment 2 minutes after a video is posted. Do you just visit all automotive channels and spew same negativity all day long? Is this a job? Or a very serious derangement syndrome?
@@bobbbobb4663 as if that would bear any impact on your job of spreading negativity. At least I hope it is a job. Otherwise you definitely need to see a professional about your mental health before you go fully... mental.
I mean... horses, donkeys, camels, and elephants are still around.
Lmao 😂 true
Globally more energy is derived from burning wood than wind and solar combined.
Burning wood precedes domestication of animals by several thousand years…
But compare the supply chains for gas vs. grass.
ICEs will be manufactured for underdeveloped countries? What stupidity.
An underdeveloped country is the place where few new cars are sold. Where very, very few expensive new cars are sold. You can't run an ICEV factory and produce an affordable car unless you can sell several hundred thousand per year.
China has shown that it's possible to make a decent EV for less than $10k. That's going to sell in underdeveloped countries. They'll forgo high range and high speed in exchange for utility. And underdeveloped countries don't have oil wells and oil refineries. They have to import fuel, paying with scarce dollars. Buy solar and wind once, be done with the cash drain.
People really don't seem to appreciate how badly the fossil fuel companies screw consumers in developing nations.
ICE vehicles will become like mechanical watches. They will be always exist, but as an art piece.
ehh, ICE engines will become pretty niche if the number of gas stations fall dramatically. suddenly the drive to get gas is less convenient than any charge. seems more likely some companies think they can't compete with China so are milking denial for everything it can produce.
China is currently in a financial tail spin, not something to envy.
LMAO, "ICEs Could be Around Until 2099" this is what desperation sounds like. And I'm sure "hybrids" aren't just ICE cars in disguise 🤣🤣🤣
Exactly. Who likes gas and service stations?
@@jdcarguy1242Better than the riff raff that targets the SlowChargers. In and out in 5 minutes.
@@bobbbobb4663 do you also have this problem when charging your phone?
ICE will be around until the end of the world.
@@saintkamus14 You're comparing a phone to a car? I can charge the phone in the car. There is no BEV that will charge with enough energy in 5-10 mins
Ice is going to decline as Tony Seba Predicts in "Clean Disruption." All I hear is excuses as all of legacy is struggling. Name a legacy that is not seeing their profits drop.
Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda.
Look again. Even Toyota ghas had 5 straight months of declining profits
@@Clint-stanley Still making more profit overall than tesla. Cope.
Toyota sells 9M cars vs 1.8M for Tesla. Toyota better hope to have a higher profit than Tesla. What kind of a statement is that?
@@nguyep4 Tesla had a good year in 2023 but not many before that and based on their current aging fleet of poorly build vehicles it won't likely last.
Developing markets will buy inexpensive EVs and rely on electricity . The US will hold on to ICE for as long as possible, while our dock workers continue to resist automation ( as well)
It is a lot easier to install solar and wind in a country the drill for non existent oil
Expecting developing countries to adopt systems that were abandoning is foolish. Especially when renewable energy and microgrids make EVs more feasible than having to maintain refineries and fuel logistics.
These car analysts...lacks of deep understand market changes. We went from Blacklberry to iPhone and Android faster than planned. Or from Kodak to digital photos. When the technologies bring values, the switch is MUCH faster than people think.
They are stuck and won't learn from history.
They are just being realistic, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean it not true.
Realistic like businesses wouldn't stop using blackberry?
I am sure ice will be around forever but only in unique situations.
There have to be enough unique situations to create scale. Can you imagine if all the parts in an ICE had to be handbuilt? Ever tear down an engine and see all the different parts that need factories to produce?
Remember when everyone was freaking out that Tesla’s margins were shrinking?…
Yet, they don't talk enough about the legacy dwindling car sale in China. Probably to steer attention away from the dire situation.
Bi-directional charging only makes sense to power your own house in a blackout. Having the power company wear out your car battery cycling it, because they don't want to build backup capacity into their own system is a NON-STARTER as far as I am concerned, Bad idea. Corporate welfare that YOU would be paying for when your car battery dies early.
That's if your house's breaker can be isolated from the grid while live from an EV, otherwise Bi-directional charging needs a live grid too
Externalities of cost
What if you're paid a good price for that power.
You should have the option to use it and get paid.
Every day might be bad. But an occasional use case where the utility was willing to pay high prices to buy the power may make sense. An acquaintance (wife's friend) in CA bay area paid for her solar roof by selling power this way w/o a battery system. Of course the power companies and PSC's can make and break this with regulations. They have all the cards on this one.
Well sure, Model T's are still around as well, just not many of them! The current slight slump in EV sales is a temporary bump in the road. In my view you can thank the enormous propaganda campaign by the Oil industry to scare the average buyer away. However the advantages of an EV will shine through. I bought my first EV a year ago and have had such a positive experience and my per mile energy costs have plummeted 90% compared to my previous ICE. I would never go back to an ICE vehicle, they are expensive, dirty & require take up valuable time with regular visits for servicing! There are NO servicing requirements with an EV other tire rotation and wiper blades!
EV sales are NOT slumping Globally. They’re UP. Just individual companies mostly that are falling behind.
Why would developing countries spend billions on petroleum infrastructure when that money could make free electricity?
Follow the money? Who gets paid for the investments in the infrastructure?
It’s called unfettered capitalism…
Indeed. We saw how Africa leapfrogged over phone lines phase and jumped straight into cellphones with dramatic growth.
The same is starting to happen with renewables, they lack the expensive and cumbersome fueling infrastructure in many areas, so no old baggage holds them back, turns out to be a blessing in disguise now.
And as result they seem to be adopting solar and electrification much more easily, some Africa countries even build their own local EV bikes.
China seems to be extremely well positioned for this transition in the third world, dominating in both solar industry and sub $10k EV solutions.
@@tetchuma unfettered capitalism… sucks. So does unfettered versions of most any government. They all need checks and balances.
The ideal is the least government intervention that will keep corporations in line.
Why can't they have their manufactureing base instead of being exploited?
Enough of interruptions.
Time for the automation at our docks and self driving semi trucks.
What we may see is the docks giving in on wages but not on automation. Pay workers more but use fewer of them. Zeros out.
Talk like a scab, get scabs
The docks are already automated to the highest degree possible, stop believing in Musk's pipe dream like it's reality.
@@bobwallace9753 Until the next strike maybe. However the workers want more not less. There is no stopping automaton long term.
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Post your comment, I had to go back to read what I wrote. I wondered if I had made a mistake. I didn't.
If designers truly believe consumers will pick up on this XT5's design language as being influenced by '59 Cadillac fins.....having once owned a 1959 CDV.... I'd say, "They're dreaming."
Cadillac.....is dead
@@Jag-leaperNo, no, no..... Cadillac is far from dead; they'll be around for a long time to come. You must remember that "this" XT5 is for a different market. Been to CA lately? Big Cadillac SUVs are as prevalent as super high-end foreign makes. No, no....Cadillac is not dead.
ICE engines are slowly eating our environment. And are noisy!
Meanwhile your country is being devastated by massive storms speed up your transition to clean energy
Yeah sure thing, storms are a novelty, there was no storm before cars were invented. Idc about your clean energy, let nature do its thing, wipe off the human species and start again, if you still believe humans got a future you’re naive
Demands for less automation deployment will ultimately accelerate the adoption of full automation. Those who lose jobs might always find work as elevator operators. Oh, Uh, I forgot, those are pretty few and far between now. God bless those who fall victim to technology, and those who see it coming and respond with due diligence, rather than entitled opposition.
Full automation, that means we don't need you.
"Inspired by a '59 Cadillac"? That's a stretch.
BEVS sales are not declining globally. Lets look at ICE decline in auto sales.
2018: 2 million
2019: 2 million
2020: 3 million
2021: 5 million
2022: 5 million
Waiting for 2023 global numbers.
As of the latest data, internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles still dominate the U.S. car market, making up over 80% of total car sales. On the other hand, hybrid vehicles (including plug-in hybrids and battery electric vehicles) account for 16.3% of light duty vehicle sales.
ICE might be around, but fuel is only cheap when produced in large quantities. At some point it's going to be $20+ a gallon.
Plus it's subsidized
If it turns out that there's a niche that can only be filled by an ICE engine it may well be a diesel running on biofuel. Basically, on cooking oil.
As demand for fuel declines refineries will close down. When demand is low enough the last refinery will either not sell enough and go bankrupt or will have a serious repair need and decide to not bother.
It likely is $20 a gallon if one counts the government money going to the oil companies.
No worries bro…… the public will bail out the mistakes of management.
The future is EV. China making things the US can only dream about . 100 grand for a 1/2 ton truck ….. laughable . Make up people
Two points, one on Stellantis--sell the cars you make for the rest of the world here in the US. Second-- on the wealth revolt in the CCP. How about a story about the confiscating of eBikes to make sure that its citizenry buys cars...
The idea that gasoline will be available in third world / developing markets after the US / EU / CN all drop ICE vehicles is comical. The supply chain for gasoline refining is global, fragile, and highly subsidized by first world countries... If they don't need it anymore, the developing world certainly won't be able to support it.
Developing countries have an easier time pivoting. They have the most to lose if not, and lots to gain when done right.
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E-rev - better than some of the weak hybrids and weak plugins they're trying to sell now, it was a good idea in 2014 when BMW i3 REX did it, it's old news now
Just an excuse to avoid going in more on BEVs and making them affordable.
The management at legacy auto is corrupt and incompetent.
They're dragging on production, but even without bolt GM has as many or more EV models than Ford and stillanus combined, more than Volvo, VW, Bmw, Mercedes, Rivian, hyundai, Kia, all the Japanese auto makers
Cadillac.....is dead......
PG&E will require everything to raise the consumer costs so they can increase their profits.
The issue is not that ICE vehicles being around until 2099. The real question is will we be here by that time. If we continue with ICE vehicles at our current levels we may be gone mush sooner than 2099. It’s important to keep progressing towards electric and other clean vehicles. We cannot afford to keep moving forward on this planet with gas powered vehicles. This is coming from someone who almost died from driving a Chrysler 200c. The car was releasing C02 into the cabin. I kept taking it back, I went to the top the company would not repair or replace the car. My doctor found high levels of carbon monoxide in my blood. Still Chrysler would not do anything. I had to cut a loss and get another car that I can drive safely but I do have damage to my body from breathing on those poisons and toxins for over a year. I live in Dallas where the air quality is very bad. People are allowed to modify their truck to roll coal. Air quality alone kills millions of humans all over the planet. Most of us never consider our cars for being the reason for cancer or being sick. If you are fatigued after driving your car, a headache coughing and you don’t smoke. It’s your environment and possibly your car.
On the wheel hub motor. Wonder if it will make the cost of changing a wheel bearing much more expensive.
Tesla is the best car company ever! No gas stations, no oil changes, no smog checks, no catalytic converter, no maintenance, 89% customer retention and quicker than a $650,000 Lamborghini.!
So why do Tesla fanoids not like Aptera?
@@toyotaprius79 Big Tesla fan, and I love Aptera, I even invested in it just to help them out.
It's just a question of waiting to see if they succeed in actually producing them, the funding is still a challenge it seems.
And then if they can weather a difficult auto market. The concept is great, but it's not an easy market to enter.
Tesla always over promises and under delivers, and after almost 20 years of business their cars are still junk quality.
Human beings are sometimes enthusiastic, fanboys are always fanatical. When a harmless passion turns into a dangerous obsession it’s time to seek help
Indeed, ICE fanatics need help, they're in denial of global progress right before their eyes.
These companies are wasting their funds on PR spin while they continue to report disastrous results like this, you'd think it would be too obvious where it's going by now.
Plenty of fanatical fanboys here, about 90% of the comments.
@@AllanSustainabilityFan There’s no such thing as ‘ICE fanatics’ this pathology is an EV nuts thing, a cult if you prefer
The only ICE vehicles left in 2099 are the Jerry Rigged rickshaws made by parts from 2030 Ford and GM. 😂
Come on. EVs are cleaner, safer, more reliable, have better performance. Soon, all solar/wind/battery power will be the lowest cost energy globally. Batteries and vehicles get better and cheaper every year. Legacy auto, politicians buying votes, oil oligarchs all slowing down adoption. Meanwhile, Norway EV sales have hit 90%.
Now we have ev geeks all over the comment section. Sad.
To much China….
#Tesla still top seller
That would be GM, Toyota, Ford then Tesla.
Your myopic view of America only just shows you don’t understand the Auto market.
GM has been plummeting in sales for a decade. They used to sell 10+ MILLION vehicles and now they’re down to 6 million and falling. GM is going to lose almost their entire Chinese sales and will plummet in the US as well this decade.
Bi-Directional Charging is by far the dumbest thing ever, just thinking of mandating it shows how the grid is nowhere near ready for the influx of EVs, this is what California and PG&E want so they can get free power when they need it and leave you hanging when you need the range of your car. Charge you (oh at discount i'm sure, yeah) to keep power for them xD what a joke and to think people are getting brain washed into thinking this is ok. Come out to your car one day to find 25 miles charging xD xD xD yeah right, because we know it will be at random sometimes and you have to pay the price for it. When the day comes i get a EV, that will be the first thing that gets deleted or something inline to prevent power going back into system.
Clueless.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Bi-Directional Charging makes great sense to power your own home in an outage or other scenario. Getting your cheaper electricity during off-peak hours and using it to power your home during peak hours.
Also, you can simply unhook your vehicle if you don’t want to share power during peak hours.
There are plenty of people getting paid well for VPPs currently.
@@DavidC-pg6ni xD replies to me with "You don’t know what you’re talking about" but not one sentence said anythinng rebutting what i was talking about.
1) "Charging makes great sense" for your own home yes, sure does, nothing to do with the grid, nothing to do with what they're talking about nor what i was talking about either, pointless comment is pointless.
2) "you can simply unhook your vehicle" wasn't that just what i was talking about in the first place WOW! pointless comment is pointless round 2
3) "getting paid well for VPPs" interesting because i know 9 different people in Cali right now that only have a fixed rate or are about to lose there fixed rate after 2027 with PG&E and SCEdison on there solar plans, and they tell you what you get paid and that's it, because they know what's about to happen in the coming years. In the past 15 years they went from paying a small amount, to nothing, to getting paid from time to time, now back to some months paying nothing to paying back again. Non of them are getting "paid well" so wonder where that could be coming from Hmmmmmmm can't imagine it would get worse over time either, your right, not possible.
Amazing that they are still clinging to oil after its conclusively shown that electric is the way ahead.
EV is barely 10% of the market, how is that "way ahead"?
55% of ALL New Vehicle Sales in the Largest Market in the World are now Plug-in. Norway already 90%+ New EV sales, with the rest of Scandinavian Countries following closely behind.
The only place dragging behind in the advanced economies is the US and we see their Legacy Automakers collapsing this decade.
Wasting money on Stock Buybacks to enrich the CEOs and Managers, while killing the long term value of the shareholders.
Except if they are Chinese right? They make more e cars than any.other country but all the Caucasian countrys say nooo
ICE will still be around but increasingly only for the wealthy as parts dry up and engineers leave the field. Young engineers are putting their studies into EV and battery tech instead of ICE development. As the old engineers age out of the field quality and development cycles of ICE will become more and more woeful and factories switch the supply chain towards EVs. ICE will become only for exotics and collectors.
ICE vehicles will be around for a very long time, no doubt!!! Even if the perfect battery were already here it will take decades to build enough electric power generation to go around and infrastructure to deliver it.
Every building has electricity, Cass has to be delivered by truck
A few years back one of the DOE labs did a study on the grid and EVs. They found that if every car and light truck in the US turned into an EV overnight we had enough spare capacity to charge 80% of them. Our transmission system would supply 70%. Vehicles are transitioning to EVs over time, not over night. We'll have no problem staying ahead of demand.
A very large solar farm can be constructed and brought online in a year. In fact, parts of it can start coming online in only a few months.
A very large wind farm can be built in less than two years. It takes about three days to stand a wind tower, install the turbine on top, and connect it to the grid.
Our current batteries are just fine. Affordable, non-flammable, and very long lasting (LFPs). And the price should get even better.
Did you know it takes a ton of energy to extract and refine oil?
In some case studies EVs replacing oil actually even reduce grid pressure in some areas.
Clean air, more efficient transport, and less energy wasted to simply "create" energy for an inefficient ICE vehicle to consume.
It’s already happening now. Not decades from now. Batteries are scaling up dramatically and with more batteries you need LESS energy generation.
It doesn't take decades. But the one in power and money make sure that is the narrative.
Yeah Ev make sense we have a small percentage on the road and the grid already can’t handle it. Electricity will
Be 10x the cost
It seems people are either at one extreme or another, your at the Faux News extreme, not sure which is worse. Both are clueless.
Nonsense Fossil Fuels FUD!
Norway already 90% EVs. China 55% New EV Sales. Sweden, Denmark, Etc. all over 50% New Plugins Sales. The tide has ALREADY turned and the Grid is already handling this in other countries, the US is MORE than capable of doing this too.
Texas has one of the highest rates of Renewables of any state with more wind than anywhere else in the US.
Once politicians stop taking bribes in the form of political donations from BIG OIL and BIG Auto, the whole ICE system collapses.
The grid is doing fine. Some of the language in today's report was a bit misleading.
Over the last three years, California has completely eliminated rolling blackouts, which used to happen quite frequently. They did it by adding a large amount of solar generation and battery storage to the grid.
There was also a boom in residential solar and battery installations, including the ability to feed power to the grid when needed.
Meanwhile, California's auto sales are over 25% BEV.
EVs are all over the place in California, and yet, they have eliminated the rolling blackouts they used to have.
ICE vehicles will only be around for people that want affordable to repair, reliable and under 5 minutes to charge vehicles.
Which likely wont be the case for long, as EV volumes scale up and their technologies advances further, their costs go down, pulling demand from ICE, which is at a dead end in development by comparison.
This in turn reduces production scale and shuts down more factories, raising the cost of producing ICE products and parts, which in turn feed into ICE demand shifting to more EV demand.
Rinse and repeat, the virtuous cycles of disruption and obsolescence working in tandem as usual.
You still find plenty of places in Africa that are still running 40 plus year old Mercedes W123's Fortunately for them, those W123's will still be running 40 years from now. Meanwhile, think of all those Tesla's that will have been added to the junkyard.
Eventually EV's will replace passenger vehicles probably in the next two decades but for shipping using tractor trailer rigs, trains, ships, heavy earth moving equipment, aircraft, diesel fuel and jet fuel will be around indefinitely.
@@bobbbobb4663Not many teslas in the junkyard old coot. Nobody will be running 40 year old Mercedes in 40 years. The pollution from them is terrible and with $10K EVs, those old Dinosaurs will be Fossils.
Tractor Trailers are already being replaced with EVs as we speak. Ships and Ferries as well. It’s just a matter of time and capacity and Battery Capacity is scaling up dramatically every year.
Just saw VW asks for only about 23k for a fully loaded Passat in China. With heated, ventilated, adjustable rear seats. And so much more.
Same car would be double if not 3 time the price in North America and Europe. VW just wants to be as uncompetitive as possible and nickle and dime customers. I sat in the current gen Tiguan they give us in the US. A higher end version and it had such poor build quality. Felt like a 2000s American car. All cheap black plastic. They are absolutely determined to not try.
And after days of no power thanks to this hurricane I have even more skepticism about owning a EV. Still have gas stations. Don't have a place to charge any potential EV.
They were told to leave if your not intelligent enough to prepare a week in advance then you have bigger problems.
TV showed long lines at the gas stations. If you have solar panels and bi directional charging you have a degree of independence.
Gas stations don't even work without electricity
If your car is charged prior you are good. No one is driving around in the affected area
Nonsense.
Solar panels and batteries for storage. The EV is a giant battery that can power your home or products for days.
ICE will be around for a long, long time for a very simple reason that the only problem EVs solve is pollution in large Chinese cities.
EV contribution to reduction of CO2 emissions is very minor, given that personal transportation consumes only about 5% of energy globally and and most of electricity is generated by burning natural gas and coal.
At some point even automotive journalists and politicians will understand that replacing all ICEs with EVs will have only minor impact on CO2 emissions and that it will be necessary to look at areas where most of energy is being consumed (heating & cooling and industrial processes).
That’s assuming the desire to reduce global CO2 emissions is serious.
Nonsense. It’s NOT CO2, it’s toxic pollution coming out of your tailpipe that poisons your family and your friends and your neighbors and yourself.
Anybody who can’t tell that EVs have already dominated the largest New Vehicle Markets and are scaling faster than ICE vehicles ever did doesn’t understand that Global Impacts on the supply chains as China goes nearly 100% EVs by the end of the Decade for New Vehicle Sales. Europe is already there in some countries like Norway and the Scandinavian Countries. The rest of Europe is following suit quickly. The US will catch up soon as the Prices of EVs continue to drop and ICE vehicles continue to go up in price.
Tesla 10/10 Leaked Speech Preview: "Today, we show off 10 years of autonomy by creating a geo-fence inside of a geo-fence! Yessir, we programmed a single route in an area that will never receive public traffic! We call it the Giga-fence!"
well well well Mr Blobb, another unprompted comment 2 minutes after a video is posted. Do you just visit all automotive channels and spew same negativity all day long? Is this a job? Or a very serious derangement syndrome?
@@Custo911I have stopped reading the nonsense but if it makes Bob happy and this channel gets higher revenues I'm okay with it.
@@Custo911Someone is salty that Leon did not invite them to the Gigs-fence party!
@@bobbbobb4663cant wait for 10/10!
@@bobbbobb4663 as if that would bear any impact on your job of spreading negativity. At least I hope it is a job. Otherwise you definitely need to see a professional about your mental health before you go fully... mental.
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