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  • @supahstarrallyah8360
    @supahstarrallyah8360 Місяць тому +267

    My brother when he makes a $300 purchase for NERF gun:

  • @sonicrunn3r895
    @sonicrunn3r895 Місяць тому +140

    Splash spamming specials at the beginning of the game
    Splash spamming specials at the end of the game
    Time is a FLAT CIRCLE

    • @ocarinatales1331
      @ocarinatales1331 Місяць тому +6

      The special became less cool too :(
      (I'm not saying crab spam was cool, but tri-strike is less cool than crab)

    • @sonicrunn3r895
      @sonicrunn3r895 Місяць тому

      @ Real sadly 😭 (I don’t think Tristrike is uncool but like crab is sorta cooler-)

  • @djJoMusicChannel
    @djJoMusicChannel Місяць тому +155

    Yeah I think if they tone down how much the strikes paint or add a downtime thing they did with missile that would help overall.
    Great discussion on the weapon though since it's kind of a double edge sword with the whole enabling aspect of the weapon.

    • @StoryTeller796
      @StoryTeller796 Місяць тому

      So, increase the effectiveness of Special Power Up and Faster Special Up, and then create a universal cooldown and increase the points for Special count, and we should all be good?

    • @السراقالمجهول
      @السراقالمجهول Місяць тому +2

      problem is that would affect other weapons with strike that arnt as good at paintning as neo

    • @StoryTeller796
      @StoryTeller796 Місяць тому +1

      @السراقالمجهول My thoughts exactly (=

    • @sonicrunn3r895
      @sonicrunn3r895 Місяць тому +7

      Every special that can be ended early need to have a delay, full stop. Tristrike, booyah bomb, trizooka, even stuff like bubble and crab when they get destroyed. Even if it impacts other weapons to the spammers, we need this for the greater good

    • @StoryTeller796
      @StoryTeller796 Місяць тому +1

      @sonicrunn3r895 This is the best and most efficient approach. Hope the Dev Team listens to this piece of advice, even if you can't let it reach you directly.

  • @Scorbunzx
    @Scorbunzx Місяць тому +192

    I got robbed of this having zip caster

    • @Silverrrrrr12
      @Silverrrrrr12 Місяць тому +16

      I love how they gave it Zipcaster in the trailer and then 2 of the most unhealthy kits we've seen in the series

    • @Luxius_8
      @Luxius_8 Місяць тому +58

      ​@@Silverrrrrr12 v splash is one of the most healthy weapons in the game

    • @Scorbunzx
      @Scorbunzx Місяць тому +21

      @@Silverrrrrr12 v splash is fun in my opinion, (I don’t play ranked that much) I just wish neo had zip instead of strike.

    • @SALTYTOAD00
      @SALTYTOAD00 Місяць тому +25

      ​@@Silverrrrrr12 Vanilla Splash-o-matic is pretty healthy right now.

    • @dProp.34
      @dProp.34 Місяць тому +6

      Fr, this kit is so boooring

  • @Joanarr
    @Joanarr Місяць тому +51

    Neo splash shouldve gotten zipcaster as its second kit. Period. The fact that they fumbled it by having it literally just be a less healthy TTek is something that'll forever continue to bother me, especially since we got robbed of the most literally perfect shooter zipcaster weapon (zip splash was literally shown in trailers for the game, what in the world happened)

    • @AutumnOwlex
      @AutumnOwlex Місяць тому

      Third kits cope pull through !!!

    • @tarosykes
      @tarosykes Місяць тому +1

      the problem is zipcaster in turf war, where if a high paint weapon has zip they can just paint the enemy base in the last 10 seconds xd

  • @celestialspark5697
    @celestialspark5697 Місяць тому +59

    Some of the recent weekend tournament streams, like Kyo's and Jared's, really highlighted a huge problem with this "strike zone spam" meta: it has absolutely _massive_ host advantage when playing NA vs JP games. You basically cannot paint over strikes to keep zone if you're not from the region hosting the game, but you can if you're hosting.

  • @TM-45.
    @TM-45. Місяць тому +56

    Melt neo splash and use the metal to make a third stamper kit

  • @kaye_spl
    @kaye_spl Місяць тому +28

    why couldnt we have just gotten zip splash

  • @SALTYTOAD00
    @SALTYTOAD00 Місяць тому +45

    I think the problem is just Triple Inkstrike in general. It is way too strong.

    • @MarcusGronkowski
      @MarcusGronkowski Місяць тому +16

      It really is. Lots of people just use it as an easy cop-out way to win any interaction and it gets on my nerves.

    • @smidge742
      @smidge742 Місяць тому +2

      I find it OP/annoying in CB and TC imo.

    • @LongDeadArtist
      @LongDeadArtist Місяць тому +2

      Strike on tower is instant loss basically.. like even before others that can cheese tower it's an instant loss the moment you get 1 or 2 on

  • @Luxius_8
    @Luxius_8 Місяць тому +39

    Ink Vac should be able to suck the Strike capsule before it lands, thus removing the strike.

    • @Madman46i
      @Madman46i Місяць тому

      Does he know?

    • @ajmoment8091
      @ajmoment8091 Місяць тому

      Honestly no. I get the idea but I feel like that just does the same thing strikes do into bubble, but this time into strikes. I don't like things that counter specials as hard as that.

    • @Luxius_8
      @Luxius_8 Місяць тому +12

      ​@@ajmoment8091Ink Vac is THE counter special, it's its purpose to do that

    • @patataofcourse
      @patataofcourse Місяць тому +1

      your special getting no use because someone else said so is not good design

    • @Luxius_8
      @Luxius_8 Місяць тому +3

      @@patataofcourse that's why it has a limit, turns slowly, and has lag when filled.

  • @murphy5353
    @murphy5353 Місяць тому +9

    Played zones the other day and someone used this and got 13 strikes. THIRTEEN. They weren't even stacking that much special charge up either

  • @SplashV_
    @SplashV_ Місяць тому +13

    Yes I'm still upset I got denied zipcaster splash for a tristrike bot

    • @BigPro1123
      @BigPro1123 Місяць тому +5

      I think everyone is upset even if they play splash or not

  • @Twig_the_Blue_Pikmin
    @Twig_the_Blue_Pikmin Місяць тому +15

    This thing really should've gotten Zipcaster instead

  • @arkethel
    @arkethel Місяць тому +11

    blows my mind that people want dousers buffed in paint most, do they want long range neo splash?

    • @woomynation
      @woomynation Місяць тому +9

      That is an insane oversimplification, but it would be a great buff if strikes themselves were nerfed like having tenta missiles cooldown

  • @justawilliamsfan
    @justawilliamsfan Місяць тому +11

    i think i hate fighting this more than i hate fighting crab tank splash meta

  • @cornshot9857
    @cornshot9857 Місяць тому +14

    Very swig, very express.

  • @softy5447
    @softy5447 Місяць тому +42

    Heavy tf2:

  • @Luxius_8
    @Luxius_8 Місяць тому +8

    Basicaly Neo Splash is picked with weapons that don't strugle to kill, but needs paint and displacement to get in.
    Stuff like .52 gal, rollers, squiffer, decav, squeezer.
    If the killing weapons need combo chip damage or don't strugle too much with paint, its better to pick other short-range shooters (except .52).
    Stuff like blasters, sloshers, splatanas.
    And if you need combo damage and strikes, pick T-tek.

  • @splegoon4289
    @splegoon4289 Місяць тому +3

    Thank god this weapon didn’t get missles

  • @Typi
    @Typi Місяць тому +5

    If I had a nickel for every end game meta with a shooter that spams a area denial special, I would have two nickels, which is two too many.
    This is not me saying NSplash is on the same level as Kgal (not even close), just that we always appear to find our way back to this archetype of weapon.

    • @lemonquacklol
      @lemonquacklol Місяць тому +1

      I mean at least kgal had to fight. Yeah it was obnoxious but at least it wasn’t “oh no an enemy I guess I’m just gonna keep painting”

    • @BigPro1123
      @BigPro1123 Місяць тому

      *Insert that one clip of jet on starfish MainStage zones*

    • @heyitsyaboi8419
      @heyitsyaboi8419 Місяць тому

      @@lemonquacklolYou seem to be forgetting something. Remember KShot?

    • @lemonquacklol
      @lemonquacklol Місяць тому

      @@heyitsyaboi8419 Tbh I didn’t play or pay much attention to comp in s2, just going off of what I know so I did in fact forget kshot 💀

  • @Sim23.
    @Sim23. Місяць тому +11

    I think the solution should be maybe
    1. Cooldown (7-10 secs)
    2. Revert the dmg buff (keeps object dmg)
    3. And finally let it swim so it can be more fun to use
    I feel like overall these changes will make strike more fun to use and less annoying to fight.

  • @ShinyQuasarDragon
    @ShinyQuasarDragon Місяць тому +5

    Over time, I considered that every special should get a cooldown to charge the next one, similar to Tenta Missiles but can vary between specials. Having something like this would make things better or worse?

    • @Emaagination
      @Emaagination Місяць тому +2

      I think the problem is that some of the lower tier specials would really struggle under a nerf like that. We've already seen that adding a cool down to a mid tier special (Super Chumps) can really hurt it's usefulness. Though now imagine if Reefslider had a cool down, it's already bad, and now it just got worse.

    • @ShinyQuasarDragon
      @ShinyQuasarDragon Місяць тому

      @@Emaagination I can get that, but under that logic prolly would mean that every special is closer to each other since none are spammable anymore. Furthermore, Reef isn't considered bad atm tho, iirc it was above Inkjet in Chara's recent tier list. Again, that's why I said every special would have it's own cooldown since obv some are more spammable than others in this current time. I guess it will require a big rework for it so nerfing Tri Strikes just for them to have cooldown would be the safest option.

    • @Emaagination
      @Emaagination Місяць тому

      @ShinyQuasarDragon For the sake of special balance, having another stat to tweak would be nice, though I still think it handled poorly it could definitely hurt some of the weaker specials. I think in the world where every special has a cool down, maybe stuff like Super Chumps wouldn't have such an egregious cooldown. I just sometimes lack faith in the Splatoon devs to handle things properly

    • @Breeze926
      @Breeze926 Місяць тому +2

      Specials that are very tied to their duration shouldn't have cool down (Crab, Zipcaster, Inkjet, Kraken). Everything else? I'm down. Even Zooka having a little 1 or 2 second cooldown would make it feel less spamy

    • @ShinyQuasarDragon
      @ShinyQuasarDragon Місяць тому

      @@Breeze926 I agree with that, since being timed are tied to their design.

  • @Bumble_gum
    @Bumble_gum Місяць тому

    I'm so glad someone is finally talking about this thing's wild paint output.

  • @DJCrazyFresh
    @DJCrazyFresh Місяць тому +17

    Short answer: everyone hates it and we need to nerf it

  • @Sickmmaner
    @Sickmmaner Місяць тому +1

    2:50 Not gonna lie, I was on the fence until you used that bigger statement. Big claims, and you backed it up pretty well.

  • @Shifter5555
    @Shifter5555 Місяць тому

    >neo splash will get more strikes than any weapon can be special in the game
    Splashomatic can farm for special more than any shooter in general! the perfect accuracy allows for efficient coverage and minimal downtime from painting to reset RNG for a fight, it adds up quite quickly.
    I can't really argue it's a weak fighter either, but being a well-known pick that is defined by it's short range does cause some problems when it can't approach.

  • @Corvidiot_YT
    @Corvidiot_YT Місяць тому +1

    Chara… that title… it sounds really bad pi of context.

  • @ghostreni
    @ghostreni Місяць тому +1

    If I had a nickel for every time in the game’s lifespan where Splash was run a lot in meta during Drizzle Season I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice

  • @SomeRandomGuy8368
    @SomeRandomGuy8368 Місяць тому +3

    gun

  • @Sprigzz
    @Sprigzz Місяць тому

    TLDR: It’s a comfort pick and Ttek would be a healthier option

  • @jsCP94
    @jsCP94 Місяць тому +1

    Since you didn't mention it, i assume you think it's impossible to balance the weapon. Its current state either makes it too much of a paint bot and changing it would either make it too weak, or too similar to ttek.

    • @lemonquacklol
      @lemonquacklol Місяць тому +3

      The ultimate solution is to nerf strikes. Nerfing the touch of death aspect, less paint, cooldown… so many opportunities

  • @lanterns_glow
    @lanterns_glow Місяць тому

    At least crab has counter play and the output takes a few seconds to charge up to full blast. It can clean up, but you can fight it.
    Strike feels a bit overtuned

  • @gladd8869
    @gladd8869 Місяць тому

    Man it’s wild that we have a weapon that all of a sudden became really really good. I mean it was always decent but it really just became really insane all of a sudden.

  • @sewoh100
    @sewoh100 Місяць тому

    Chara, there's another weapon that's good at getting strikes (brella)

  • @Sim23.
    @Sim23. Місяць тому

    2:56 I would disagree and say day 1 reeflux before missiles were nerfed and the weapon was (200p)

    • @harmless9336
      @harmless9336 Місяць тому +1

      Release flux was just s2 neo sploosh. It was definitely annoying but overtuned is the last way to describe what it was. It was a horrible weapon with a good special. The weapon had counterplay by just being completely worthless aside from its missiles. Splash while it loses to fighting weapons, it still has options to fight them and has a bomb to poke when it's not fighting.
      Its like how in s2 neo sploosh was annoying with missiles but kshot broke the games balance with missiles. One sacrifices everything else for annoying special spam and the other has annoying special to spam while sacrificing nothing.

  • @EverythingInMyBrain
    @EverythingInMyBrain Місяць тому

    Someone should hold a tourney where all specials are banned. That could be interesting

  • @erauueg.lunaris5736
    @erauueg.lunaris5736 Місяць тому

    Honestly as a person who likes playing support I really hope Neo Splash doesn't completely take over the role, especially since both Pencil and Neo Splash both in tantdem kinda make slower weapons near hell to play

  • @MantısHK
    @MantısHK Місяць тому +1

    So is this basically reeflux before the missile nerf now

  • @atlasflatt5638
    @atlasflatt5638 Місяць тому +1

    there aren't any bomb rush weapons in 3

  • @DiamondPastry
    @DiamondPastry Місяць тому +3

    prochara when are you talking about aerospray 🔥🔥🔥

  • @6HappyBoy4
    @6HappyBoy4 Місяць тому

    Chara praying on the downfall of poor tte-I mean neo splash

  • @SkyblueStarmoon
    @SkyblueStarmoon Місяць тому

    I use this with Special Power and Special Charge and its pretty funny. Got to 15 superfresh real quick.

  • @SJrad
    @SJrad Місяць тому +1

    Yeah it definitely should be 220p special and idk maybe a very slight paint nerf on top of that but tbh the main weapon is fine, just the special needs some nerfs. And then ttek would be 210p special
    And tbh at many levels of play, splash isn’t even all that bad of a fighter. It kills in 23 frames second compared to splattershot’s 21 frame kill time(both measured from starting by not shooting in humanoid form, which added 3 frames). yeah it doesn’t combo with 70 damage but it can make do in 1v1’s.

  • @BigPro1123
    @BigPro1123 Місяць тому +1

    Tri strike and Kraken have the same problem despite being very different. Awful to fight and feels awful to use

  • @kristiankalinic2663
    @kristiankalinic2663 Місяць тому

    proposal: it takes longer until you can throw the balls but also the same amount of time longer until they explode.
    that second part is just there to keep the ability to make them land at the same time. at the same time it makes strike more vulnerable and less dangerous.

  • @thebigtomato0597
    @thebigtomato0597 Місяць тому

    i'd love a 3rd kit of reeflux with strike and suction, just balanced and decently good at fighting whilst not having too much paint, this would be loved by the community

    • @lemonquacklol
      @lemonquacklol Місяць тому

      >reeflux releases
      >reeflux gets hated for ability to spam missiles
      >missile gets nerfed
      >neo splash is hated for ability to spam strikes
      >missiles and strikes are both overturned long range displacement
      >reeflux gets suction to paint even better
      >what

    • @LongDeadArtist
      @LongDeadArtist Місяць тому

      Nahhh I want a combo bomb or lethal bomb as a get-off-me ans either Booyah or Storm for survivability or combos
      Or crab!
      I love aggro reeflux

    • @agentblackbird9435
      @agentblackbird9435 Місяць тому

      That thing would break Turf War and Zones I’m sorry
      Would rather Reflux have kits more like Deco where it can actually fight and not just spam paint

    • @thebigtomato0597
      @thebigtomato0597 Місяць тому

      @@agentblackbird9435 it was a joke

  • @ajmoment8091
    @ajmoment8091 Місяць тому

    I'm curious, how does TTek compare? They're such similar weapons I'm kind of just curious why exactly Neo Splash is so heavily favored.

    • @thatdankguy5140
      @thatdankguy5140 Місяць тому +5

      paints better

    • @lemonquacklol
      @lemonquacklol Місяць тому +1

      Ttek is better at fighting, neo splash is better at painting. If one weapon in the comp hard focuses paint it makes the other three not have to waste time worrying about it and not have to factor picks with the “we still need paint” aspect

  • @Clefablestarz
    @Clefablestarz Місяць тому

    I thought this was a new kit bro

  • @agentblackbird9435
    @agentblackbird9435 Місяць тому

    Personally I think TriStrikes just need to be nerfed in general. To me at least, they feel too versatile for a special that doesn’t really take any skill to use. I’ve seen some absurd TriStrike numbers gotten with Neo Splash specifically (the max I’ve seen is **12**), but I think the other Strike weapons are guilty of this too.
    I understand the counterplay is to “just shoot the player throwing them”, but people almost always position themselves in spots where they’re not in the front line or an easy to reach location, and because they can be thrown fast, there also isn’t much time to actually get up close and kill them. It doesn’t help that they cheese Zones and Tower either, especially the latter considering how it’s pretty much the only guaranteed way to break Big Bubbler outside of Reefslider (Not counting Crab Tank or a well-placed Triple Splashdown as those moreso seem like soft counters). To me, TriStrike is one of the worst designed specials in the game because it does too much for too little effort and skill. If Killer Wail wasn’t in the game then it would probably be my least favorite special to fight, but they both have a similar issue of being too spammable

  • @TheYosh-3210
    @TheYosh-3210 Місяць тому

    They should rename it to neo spam strike-o-matic

  • @ipromiseimtrying
    @ipromiseimtrying Місяць тому +1

    Is it just me who's completely okay with my neo splash kit? Out of every other weapon i love that one the most. Out of all the weapons I've tried out/actually went 3 stars with, i always end up going back to neo splash bc it's so fun. I don't have any gripes against it, i love it

  • @guillermocervisalmeron2209
    @guillermocervisalmeron2209 Місяць тому

    Make more weapons paint more and make splash consume more ink

    • @KesterStudios
      @KesterStudios Місяць тому +1

      Splash itself needs no nerfs

    • @guillermocervisalmeron2209
      @guillermocervisalmeron2209 Місяць тому +1

      @KesterStudios yeah its consumes no ink

    • @nimroddafny7125
      @nimroddafny7125 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@guillermocervisalmeron2209 it has the same ink efficiency as other Shooters like Zap so unless you advocate for a universal Shooter efficiency nerf (not saying I'm against the idea), there's no reason singling out Splash.

  • @lucrativelucas2655
    @lucrativelucas2655 Місяць тому +1

    Me whenever people talk about IRL guns

    • @Luxius_8
      @Luxius_8 Місяць тому

      So what's your favorite gun?

    • @lucrativelucas2655
      @lucrativelucas2655 Місяць тому

      @ rn I really love CZ pistols they all look great and even CZ rifles are great, rn I’m researching a lot on PDW’s and the CZ Scorpion seems really good, my favorite type of pistol is prolly 2011 style pistols tho and I’d love to get one but they’re usually expensive

    • @Luxius_8
      @Luxius_8 Місяць тому +1

      @lucrativelucas2655 For me it's the FAMAS.
      It sucks they discontinued the platform and turned the manufacture into a museum, all for a mid German rifle.

    • @lucrativelucas2655
      @lucrativelucas2655 Місяць тому

      @@Luxius_8 the fact that so many guns end up discontinued is very upsetting, like imagine if every couple of years we had revivals of old or classic guns that aren’t produced anymore and even get fitted with new improvements, like a PSG-1 with a Pic rail

    • @Luxius_8
      @Luxius_8 Місяць тому +1

      @@lucrativelucas2655 the worst is that it killed the last bastion of the French rifle industry.

  •  Місяць тому +2

    Having every weapon be well rounded is boring as hell

    • @snowparody
      @snowparody Місяць тому +1

      But then the op weapons would be the only ones ever being picked for tournaments, which is also boring as hell since there won't be any variety

    •  Місяць тому

      ​@@snowparody People who play tournaments are in a minority, too many games cater for them just to get player counts up.

    • @snowparody
      @snowparody Місяць тому

      If you're talking about casual play, then who cares if a weapon is op or not? Just play anything at that point

    •  Місяць тому

      @@snowparody I don't understand how this relates to not wanting weapons in casual play being adjusted for the sake of tournament players.

    • @snowparody
      @snowparody Місяць тому

      This video is indeed talking about competitive play. Chara doesn't even like turf war nor does he grind rank mode, only up until recently he started grinding for fun.

  • @harmless9336
    @harmless9336 Місяць тому +1

    So crab was totally the problem with splash right? Surely it wasn't the main weapon that was the problem the whole time, never.

    • @snowparody
      @snowparody Місяць тому +3

      And what, you suggest the weapon should paint less on top of also being unable to kill? The issue with both Splash weapons were the OP specials that were spammable. With crab nerfed, tri strike should get the same treatment

    • @harmless9336
      @harmless9336 Місяць тому

      @snowparody I am personally completely for universal shooter nerfs to the generic shooters (unbuffs at the bare minimum). I think it would be fine if shooters fell off the further up you go. Specials are often complained about but almost every single time it is because it is attached to a shooter spamming it. Other weapons with that same special are a non issue but the shooter with it completely warps the game into that special being broken. Nerfing those specials hurts other weapons with the same special often more so than it hurts the shooter so why not finally tackle the real issue instead of constantly tip toeing around it while hoping nobody notices.
      Look at crab at release again. It was on 4 weapons: pro was considered one of the worst weapons in the game. l3 was a fine weapon that needed its later buffs but was still very rarely picked. dualies were a semi strong kitted weapon that were much harder to use with a higher skill requirement due to needing to play around its large endlag that just doesn't exist anymore, it wasn't bad but was nowhere near the top weapons.
      Then there was splash the undisputed best weapon in the game with nothing coming close except machine.
      So it had 2 bottom tiers, a mid tier (at best), and the best weapon in the game. What is really the deciding factor that made crab an issue in the early game? It's really easy to point out. I still completely believe that if l3 and splash kits were reversed splash still would have been the problem crab weapon.

    • @snowparody
      @snowparody Місяць тому +1

      @@harmless9336 not sure if I'd agree tbh. Tri strike is simply overtuned with how it is now though, the near zero cooldown, the extremely short start up for opponents to react to, and of course the infamous touch of death were even if you just your toe touched it you'd die. There's no way you can't consider this special broken

    • @harmless9336
      @harmless9336 Місяць тому

      @@snowparody yeah it is a little much. Every time in this series buffs cause more problems in this game than nerfs ever could. At release it took 3 hits to splat and felt a lot more balanced then.

  • @thetopcatgamer4946
    @thetopcatgamer4946 Місяць тому

    again

  • @EdgardR.
    @EdgardR. Місяць тому

    Bro I don't have time to listen to you talking about guns I have EGGSTRA WORK to do!!!

  • @TGCPhilip
    @TGCPhilip Місяць тому +1

    Tldl: Neo Splash is BOOOOOOORRRIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNGGGGGG