Supreme Instinct vs Ultra Instinct
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Supreme Instinct the Power Beyond Ultra Instinct
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"We may have already heard of a Supreme being in Dragon Ball"
Yes, Drip Goku
xD
yEs
Supreme Instinct
Drip goku lol
Supreme Dripstinct
There are only 2 things that scares me in DBS
Vegeta Smiling
Goku's Serious Face
Vegeta's smile is much more scary
@@TheOneWhoAsked123 as a wise man once said:
When you see Vegeta smirking, you run
When you see that Goku stops smiling, you pray.
@@fireeer7997 fActs
Nope we should run when we see goku,s flashback in master roshi,s glasses
Serious face goku looks awesome
It would make sense that after they master both sides of this "Instinct" They would become a divine being as they would be both side mixing to one, but then this may be too much power for them to handle.
Individual yes however when fussed it may be possible.
mui goku + mastered ultra ego vegeta = supreme instinct gogeta = whis
@@ocpopsmoke supreme instinct gogeta + whis how bout that
Being that of a being able to master both sides of divine ki wouldn’t that give them power that’s rivals that of the great zenos themselves
@@tyronegivhan9114 i think that GoD vegeto will beat them in order to stop them from being a threat to the multiverse through someone minipulating them eventually however I think that will be the final arc.
Sounds like that Gogeta and Vegito can achieve Surpreme Instinct
Just thought of that lol
Its not Supreme Instinct nor ultra instinct its Primal Instinct
Prolly if they fuse together
Im basing myself on Naruto
They would be stronger than all the gods
@@TheRealTact perhaps it would be necessary to achieve that form one they encounter a being that even Zeno cannot defeat, only that can alter reality and altered it so that he cannot be targeted by the grand zenos
They’ve been drip feeding namekian lore, only recently did they confirm Namekians are not from the mortal dimension, glad they’re slowly exploring this area though, might mean piccolo becomes relevant again🤣😣😞
Shame though they are rediculously under powered compared to all the other bad guys in the galaxy.
I agree
he is always relevant tehehe
So he can be swept under the rug like vegeta lol
If you didn't know other namekiens are the essentially the lowest form of kai then your a lost cause why else would they one live as long as they do and secondly they're ability to make wish orbs should have been a dead ringer
i love how everyone forgets about the kais being gods
They didn't considering how many goku black fanboys there are
Indeed they are. Still not even a single Kai ever achieved ultra instinct or the destruction form
@@bg.dragon1419 They are the gods of creation, so they don't need as much power as the gods of destruction
@@bg.dragon1419 i’m saying that there the gods of creation but the guy in the video said there are 2 sides to Devine key
@@bg.dragon1419 I’m sure a Godly Kai has the potential to achieve UI though, just nowhere as powerful as a Destroyer’s or Angel’s for very obvious reasons lol
Angels and Destruction gods aren't other halfs. The Supreme Kai is.
It's dragon ball, that's just gonna get retconned to fit whatever is happening in the current arc.
Correct, Destroyers are the counterparts of Kais, and their lives are linked together in one way... That is, If Kai dies, then destroyer also dies but not the vice versa,
The problem with your theory about Goku's ultra instinct ending with sparks is:
1. Whis, who is an angel himself, already gave his explanation for that malfunction. Goku's body isn't trained enough to handle it, yet. So it damages his body...hence the sparks and pain.
2. The tournament didn't allow killing/destroying your opponent. No one in that tournament had any intention to kill.
3. Goku had no intention of killing Jiren because he admired and respected Jiren. Goku wasn't fighting to kill him. He wanted to push him off the arena.
4. Its already been established that the Grand Kai's are gods of creation.
Creation and destruction are opposites.
The two opposite gods even come in linked pairs. If one dies, both die.
Beerus described it as "We are two sides to the same coin."
5. Angels are just advisors and are not allowed to interfere on their own. In the Manga, they automatically become erased if they try to interfere directly.
So angels are neutral.
yeah i agree but, i'm still curious why he thinks goku lost his battle with jiren because of "killing intentions" he lost that battle because his mortal body couldn't withstand the power of ultra instinct much longer. an as whis stated it takes a toll.
point 2 is wrong. Frost had intention to kill.
Good points. Also the way he holds them up as equal forms, Beerus is no where near Whis in strength, all of the angels far far outpace the gods of destruction.
I do thing though that a god of creation, gohan could be a thing. Maybe that is what his new power is, this "final gohan" form is him taking his godly powers to the max.
You're right. Krillin's Destructo disk 💀
🤣 Faxx that caught me by surprise lol
Drip
He can archive ui
@@roywempor8395 ye since it isnt a sayian form
😂
Are you basically saying that Goku and vageta are Yin and yang in these forms
@Killer Cam thats the vibe im getting from this vid
Ying and yang
@@kendrickjames683 yin and yang
Exactly! and fusing together with their tap divine energy will birth Supreme Instinct.
@@TheSub-SaharanAmericanLegend Gogeta AND Vegito???
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Man that's gonna be something else can't wait to see it 🔥🔥🔥💪🏾
We might finally see Piccolo become a Namekian God, considering he's been wearing clothes that weight 10 thousand times more than him his entire life, basically just becoming relevant again altogether in the series
He was a god
@@user-ry7gr6cz9g True, doesn't change the fact that he not anywhere near God tier level
what show are we talking about here? DB Heroes?
@@JustCrow5k faxx
He basically ate god that one time
Bruh Vegeta saying "No planet to save, no people to protect" the implications of him going back to his true self just for granolah, scary as shit 💀
Bro was ready to destroy the universe over a bowl of cereal
@@Bungiebird
Dudes got priorities.
@@Bungiebird a granola bar
@@Bungiebird he had no milk
Bro Vegeta having the same drawing as SSJ3 means he is Insane w power Ultra Ego ftw
Honestly this video helped me understand 2 distinct powers in DB. Thank you.
Great video and overall analysis.. your changing the game
Damn Doulie I think you hit the nail on the head with this one.
Bro this is why I consider him the BEST Dragon ball narrator!! He goes in depth so well!
thanks man :) #doCrew
@@doulie You got it bro! So glad to see you back in full force!!!💯💯💯
Vegeta’s new form is his god of destruction form, him saying it’s derived from instinct is his Saiyan instinct, his Saiyan violence and aggression
Yeah, it can only be achieved when someone receives the training to follow a destroyer path, its supposed to be fed by the user thirst for battle not their instinct
@@ffadicto which is his instinct, violence and thirst for battle
What new form? where do you even see that?
@@EliranC the form vegeta obtains that is essentially the same as topo’s with a Saiyan twists i guess?
Also the dude literally says ‘vegeta’s new form’ at the start of the video
stop calling it "new form" its called "ultra ego"
That was actually a pretty interesting theory, nice video!
Bro your dope and your spreading positive vibes you got my subscription for sure man keep pushing king 🙏🏾
you always have these brilliant theories that make perfect sense and would make the writing so much better but I'm afraid tori doesn't think that deep into it. Hell he even forgets his own writing and retcons stuff all the time
Indeed but Toriyama has help from Toyotora and his team now.
@@KingSelf You mean the fan fiction writer who forgot he’s official and kept writing fanfiction?
Man, there is a lot of foreshadowing in Dragon Ball. We have to give Toriyama some credit. #doCrew
@@doulie I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. he did write, in my opinion the beat anime ever
@@stewpidasso3910 w opinion
Predicting a fusion in both mastered forms to make a perfect form.
I think I've commented on like 3 videos since the inception of UA-cam. Congrats on an excellent video!
Positive vibes and much respect ✊🏾
If you are saying that God Ki is split into Divine power, like the angels and Destruction power, like the Gods of Destruction, then what's the point of Supreme Kai that are in charge of creation.
Also, thanks for crediting me in the description 👌
3 creation power like the kai is the third
That’s like fat Kai
They are the link between the two. They are gods of creation but they also have a death link to the GoD. So in my opinion they could serve as the link between the two. Just like I think Zalama is higher up than Zeno or could be his counterpart.
@@Pineapplelesspineapplepizza I always thought the angles were the link between the two. The opposite of destruction isn’t peace… it’s creation.
The angles represent neutrality. The link between destruction and creation.
But this makes sense.
@@jackroyaltea5034 I understand your point but sticking to the theory being said in the video I was just trying to expand on it. I honestly think that they introduced angles way to quick into the anime. I would of liked for GoD to be first introduce then around now for angels to be introduced as a sort of “this is my mentor/overseer”. But sticking to the theory at hand, I think in states of being the angles are the calmness and GoD are the aggressiveness. But if they all bow down to Zeno and Zeno to Zamala then they do seem insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
I think the Supreme Kais use toned-down Angelic power. I think creation and Angelic powers are the same thing, one is just more potent. The Kais even have white hair like the Angels, visually the same kind of power IMO. #doCrew
Bro Supreme Gogeta would absolutely feed the drip meme.
Yes indeed
Drip gogeta
This is actually really good!
I’m very pleasantly surprised at this video. Amazing
This a very well thought out vid 🔥 💪🏿
Fusion to achieve supreme instinct is almost perfect in a way especially for Namekians, like Kami they could split into a good and evil form and then send one off to learn destructive instinct and another to learn angelic instinct then when they fuse boom supreme instinct
Fusion is a lazy way. It d be more interesting to see me embracing my feminine side.
This is only dragon ball theory video that makes 100% sense! Well done keep it up bro!!
I absolutely loved this vid 😍😍
Wow you might be right...so Vegeta's new form is the Darksiders of ui or hakai
This was absolutely incredible. Just wow, thank you.
You got some good points you make really interesting
Goku's reaction in his fight with Jiren wasn't because of he had some kind of negative thought. it's stated by Whis, his mortal body couldn't handle the instantaneous reactions, speed, and power of the form. And not all purple energy is Hakai energy.
You pointed out some very interesting points I never noticed !! Good work !
I love this concept / theory. This sounds so legitimate & really does make me curious as to what could happen when Goku & Vegeta next fuse; what would be their next form. I'll sub for this. Good stuff, dude.
they physically cant fuse because the users of the fusion must both seperatly both contain the same transformation
Hey, that's a fascinating idea! I gotta commend you for thinking that deep.
Keep the videos up and I might subscribe.
That was pretty dope man ! Fukin supreme instinct.
IT'S ABOUT TIME SOMEONE HAS CAUGHT ON GOKU IS A PURE HEART ( CLEAN ) AND VEGETA IS COLD HEARTED ( DIRTY ) ( EVERYTHING MATTERS BUT NOTHING MOVES )
I think everyone already knew that Goku is a pure heart while Vegeta is cold hearted
@@FireBlaze461 ALOT OF VIEWERS CAN SEE THAT BUT IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DIRECTION BOTH GOKU AND VEGETA IS GOING . HERS A LITTLE HINT DONT BE SURPRISE AT THE VERY END OF DRAGONBALL THAT VEGETA BECOMES THE HERO AND GOKU BECOMES THE SERIES LAST BOSS . RIGHT NOW I BET THE CREATOR OF DRAGONBALL IS EXPERIMENTING WITH GOKU BLACK . ( EVERYTHING MATTERS BUT NOTHING MOVES )
@@tyrushouse6766 That will be very interesting if there was a grand scheme to that 🤔
Soooooo… Vegeta needs a shower?
@@dogestranding5047 FOR HIS MIND AND SOUL .... YES ... VEGETA HAD MIMIC GOKU FOR A POWER UP THAT NEVER HAPPEN BUT IT BECAME A [ BLESSING IN DISGUISE ] SO VEGETA WOULDNT BECOME LIKE FRIEZA . ( EVERYTHING MATTERS BUT NOTHING MOVES )
2:41 I was always confused by this scene but after listening to your explanation, It makes sense now. Love that subtle piece of visual storytelling.
Personally I think Goku's body was already well past the point of no return when he took on mastered ultra instinct. But then he started taking on the destruction side and that's what broke him was his body being unable to take it in... All that extra power he never trained for.
Thus I think Goku can actually do this eventually after enough training for his body to take on all that power all at once.
@@nucleogenexaffiliate No ? He wanted to give Jiren some energy, he was worn out as shit already. Whis said UI is not meant for mortals. It's basically the whole point.
#SupremeInstinct
Bro ngl u just mad a fan. Got my mind blown, and that last bit made my heart swell. Bless you my lad
I will proudly stand for you as well, good explanation of a heads up.
I love this video so much! I was talking to a buddy about why Goku and Vegeta would be weaker now if they fuse because the couldn't use UI or UE due to their differing nature. But now after seeing this it makes sense that some threat would push them to the point of Supreme instinct. This is cool af!
While watching I was thinking that if they mastered each respective forms then they could fuse to become the supreme being. I'm glad you touched that point.
at first, I was like well this is pretty boring but as I was getting into it everything is making sense lmfao good job man really had me blown
I learned alot and made me come back to dbz now. Theres acrually depth and power levels.to think its just hype fighting. Thanks
Its about the instinct for destruction. Since the start of the series vegeta was blowing up planets and killing people. This transformation has nothing to do with ultra instinct, it has to do with the instinct for destruction.
Damn right. These idiots like to make theories about something that's not even real. They don't understand that it's all about what the writers think, not what they think makes sense.
Basically MUI is based on pure intentions, hence why Goku was forcefully snapped out of it when thinking anything destructive, and Vegeta said his transformation was instinct, based on the video I think the new transformation will either be called Mastered Destructive Instinct(MDI) or Mastered Hakai Instinct(MHI).
Or Vegeta's new form will just be G.O.D form.
Either way I think if you combine them both it could make a power like the video was talking about.
Correct, Vegeta has harnessed the Hakaishin form and Goku is improving his MUI, 😉 This video is just a fan made thory, 😉
Forget the use of Ultra Instinct as a term.
It's just the English Dragon Ball marketing for the Japanese term "autonomous self movement", because obviously the English market goes for cool catch phrases like that, where as the Japanese are more practical and literal/formal in language use.
The Japanese term for Perfected Ultra Instinct is basically just "completed autonomous self movement".
The Japanese term for Ultra Ego is "The Secret of the Self-indulgent".
So you see the key is in the words.
"autonomous" meaning there is no interior thought involved, and "self-indulgent" meaning it is ALL interior thought involved.
I kinda held this somewhat in mind since whis was speaking of ultra instinct during their initial training! I believe u may be spot on! Thanks for the vid!
I think same
holy CRAP dude I'm subbing
Great analysis video. You got me with the destructo-disc in the beginning…
A thought I had while watching your video, they mention Zalama created the Super Dragon Balls in year 41 of the divine calendar. In all other aspects of dragon balls, the a creator has to be alive for the dragon balls to be active. Wouldn’t this mean Zalama is still alive? Hopefully they’ll explore this in the future.
Imagine zalama trains goku and vegeta
No no imagine goku and vegeta fuse while in thier final forms😳 that could be supreme instinct?
@@prolayth but they physically cant you can only transform in a fusion whilst both users seperatly contain the same transformation therfor the strongest gogeta or vegeto can get is blue level
@@cetriolioboy2710 Vegito can use Kaioken, something only Goku can do. Granted, that's DB Heroes, but I don't think combining Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego is too farfetched.
@@angel_lio4949 that’s a technique not a true transformation. Transformations are based on what race you are, not an ability that anyone can technically learn like the kaioken. Because while we only know goku as an active user of it, it is something that a kai created (obviously) which breaks the transformations being based on what race you are like super sayian, frieza’s transformations, and the great ape.
You didn’t even read the full page, Vegeta wasn’t tally about his form when he was talking about instinct, he said the form is based off ego, something a god of destruction has a lot of, he calls it ultra ego, the quote says “a god of destruction told me, that power derived solely from instinct is unbounded”
Man's talking out of his ass
He started off good and then he started talking about destruction and creation which made no sense
Actually, he just presented his theory that it, 😅 it has got nothing to do with real DBS..... We all know Vegeta is tapping into the Hakaishin form and Goku is improving his Mastered Ultra Instinct, 😉
Imagine Ultra Ego Vegeta and MUI Goku fuse with Potara. That would be OP af.
ULTRA VEGITOO
Beerus: shit shit shit shit
vegeto would have a stroke having overpowering destructive instincts and overpowering protective instincts
*fusion dance
Gogeta would do more work with it
This is the best video ive ever seen in my life hands down. First tike stumbling upon this channel and i already love ur content bro. New subscriber
#supremeinstinct good video man, keep up the good work!
I love the content in this video, never saw Dragon Ball in this way, ever. Great insight!
#SupremeInstinct
Piccolo: That’s It!!! That explains, EVERYTHING!!!
Very good video, thank you.
Very beautiful
First time in life i think u r talking something
Great man..
Keep it up
#supremeinstinct
This is why I like this channel. Your theories aren’t just random bullshit it actually makes PERFECT sense and forces the brain to go hmm I never thought of that. Good shit bro
Wow this theory is awesome! And it makes totally sence. If this will turn out to be true or at least the core of this theory, you will be my absolutly hero.
Thank You Doulie. Hope all is well! Your the best!
Hell yeah good video
Dude you should be writing stuff man. Very well thought. 👏🏼👏🏼
Yeah, & exactly what all the other channels like this have been saying since the first time Goku went UI against Jiren or after Vegeta went Evolution Blue & defeated Toppo. It only took him 2 years longer to realize this as opposed to everyone else. The ridiculous "supreme instinct" label is his of course.
Zalama is just 0.1% sleeping Shaggy
Smart guy. I like how you’re thinking, G.
Now that would be some powerful stuff!!!!
What if grand priest ask super shenron to create another universe just for goku and vegeta, so they can be angle and god of destruction of their own universe.
Probably
that would be so fucking dope
Would be interesting but it won't happen since angels are a race
Goku doesn’t fit Angelhood. It would make sense to be the Surpeme Kai.
If this series has any balls (the dangling kind) or any sense of right, it should allow piccolo to become the merger of both states and ascend to his own god form. He deserves it...and spiritually, this works for him...he really is like a cross between goku ad vegeta...only he's more and he's not a Saiyan, of course
This was a really good Video, In a very very interesting and good theory..
#SupremeInstinct
This is my first vid of yours I'm watching long time Dragonball fan but only 130 ish episodes into super. So hooked. Great video mate, I agree with Vegeta Goku fuse being the only logical way to achieve both sides light and dark in one body.
I think that Vegeta and Goku could possibly learn from each other at some point, possibly even fused together. Just imagine being able to access the types of sensations and memories of another person through fusion - something that has been used more as an overly convenient plot device. The fusion, overall, will - in itself - have such tremendous power trying to apply both the destructive and the angelic powers that it would have to be practiced in an area either separated from any of the mortal world, separated from their universe, or completely separated from reality at first and the real struggle would be just keeping it under control while maintaining the fusion - or multitasking between the fused powers and the unfused training.
Also, I'm guessing the next series will be Ultra if we're going by name themes, as Goku had just surpassed regular Super Saiyan transformation early on into DBS.
"both the destructive and the angelic powers"
IMHO this is basically what makes Zeno different.
Actually, to transform in ui u have to let ur mind go free by not raging but through peace yet the form vegeta transforms in (G.O.D form) requires full control over destruction and rage
Its not a transformation, ui and that hakai type thing that vegeta used are tecniques so basicly they can use their saiyen forms with its just that their bodies have to endure the strain it puts on them
@@nartrus9634 It was already stated it's both a transformation and technique. Goku can use instinct in other forms but the pure form is the white haired MUI.
MUI and UI aare forms and not merely techniques, 😅 And so is the Hakaishin form which G.O.Ds possess!
@@newhope5729 It was confirmed it’s both a technique and a form by toriyama. You can still use ultra instinct inside other forms.
@@kamadkdkdlmaoo8437 Ok
Cool man
#Supremeinstinct... great video...I have watched different dragon ball channels and yours is the best...
Yo what is this soundtrack. It sounds immaculate ✅
I was kind of against the idea because I love the fact that they're going two different routes. But Goku drive is different than Vegeta's so I feel like they shouldn't both end up at the same place every time. Just seems awkward, but when they fuse I kind of like that idea but it still gives it a time limit so that it's not a unbeatable situation!
you really got me w that "krillins destructo disc" fr
#supremeinstinct you make great content!! like your videos! keep on going my friend
"that's right, Krillin's destructo disc." Got me bro!
I always imagined a fusion between goku and vegeta at full power I don't believe goku could use ultra instinct and ultra ego at the same time but with fusion it would probably be one of the strongest forms ever
This video is fking awesome..every detail u named i didn't catch..
Wow. That's a very interesting video.
We’ve gone a long way since goku first kamehameha 1986
I just wanna see a whole arc where vegeta achieves a stronger form than goku first and it stays that way for the whole arc and vegeta is the one saving everyone like is that so much to ask for
Same i want goten trunks and vegeta to get new forms and just evolve.
That would be a nice twist, an arc where Goku is struggling to keep up for once.
Perfect duo, the UI for Goku and Ego for Vegeta combined fusion technique. Unstoppable
Awesome and it makes sense… ☯️
No wonder goku tapped out of mui when he went against his angel attentions
Yeah
This just blow my mind 🤣🤣🤣🤣 yow if ur rite ur thinking is out this world
mind blowing
Lmfao at that goku with a question mark, I lost it
Wow man, you really have a talent for seeing the deeper meaning of things. This talent is truly a gift. I wonder what you would be capable of doing if you put this ability into other areas. I wonder if you have considered a career in counseling, or something like conflict resolution. Or maybe even like a youth mentor. Your presentation and the way you speak is also really comfortable and I could see it being effective in creating an environment where people would feel safe to confide in you. I know I'm just some random person online rambling, but I just got a feeling from listening to your video. I felt compelled to say something to you. I hope you actually get a chance to read this. It would be unfortunate for a gift, like the one I believe you have, to not be honed and shared with those in need. I wish you the best of luck and I really enjoy your insight to the DBZ stories. Thank you, -Tim
I wonder if Ultra Instinct can be achieved without relying on the emotion part which is the extreme self control and calmness. Just like Ultra instinct of the state itself, you’re able to dodge and parry attacks without having to think of dodging. This could also sometimes happen because of repetitive actions or mastery, it will be an instinct of just doing it. Also its interesting because Ultra Instinct has different levels. Like angels being in the state permanently because of the mastery over it. What if you could fully master the mastery over ultra instinct that the state itself just clings on the body without having to rely on self control and calmness like it would be just an instinct of using perfected ultra instinct. That way it would be possible to even use both ultra instinct and ultra ego.
That... Actually sounds feasable. I like this.
I think in order to use both that they will have to fuse in order that each concheness fouces on one half of the power.
@@erikburzinski8248 I'm not so sure about the fuse part each form is polar opposite the rage yet calm won't mix together.
Good job
Bro the amount of thought that went into this.
I feel like vegeta is in omen rn and then he finna go mastered hakishian
Hakishian?
Hakaishin
So basically goku could be an angel and vegeta could be a god of destruction ?
No u cant become an angel u can only be born one he could become something like them and master their techniques and become as strong maybe but he wouldnt become an angel
@@alarm771 yes he can
This is good
good topic!!