@@mookiestewart3776 but we have to know limitless is part of his physical ability. Although yamcha can use ki blast which can create shockwave and atomic level destruction so limitless wont be able to witstand multuple ki blast. So yamcha win
@@qua_xor3348 my brain exploded reading this sentence and now i'm thinking about how a hydrogen baby would look, and how a coughing bomb would work does a hydrogen baby just combust on touch?? does a coughing bomb make explosions everytime it coughs???
He went to hell too late, created the middest if not one of the worst things, that somehow got popular (even you know it plague). Calling him father of shonen is insult to shonen even considering that its a sheet magazine. DB never deserved what it got. And Akira was never good at anything related to story telling,/writing (Where went his mind reading power went, tails got retconned because he forgot about them, zenkai boots dont exist, and why not just keep nearly perish just to be healed to solve any problem, I dont think gohan or trunk have an ego problem to resolve problems this way + way more), and comedy (haha girl under 18 wearing playboy outfit). Db was mid, DBZ somehow got worse, DBS tried to repair the mess this "franchise" is and failed, only making 1 good character (zamasu). And the manga is just "look he wished to be the strongest, but he still isnt", which shows how many problems could be solved by saying "shenron, make _ stop existing". Btw name any femalre characters that you cant describe "wife/girl of _" Except for those 2 sayains that got their backs tingly. And maybe if they were relevant to the actual story, that would be nice :p. Do you remember the that Akira said that goku isnt a bad person, but isnt a good guy? Do you remeber how it had potential about goku not being evil but going rogue to pursue his evil intentions? Or how about berus growing stronger, with no explanation.
@@Shitposting_IHMN So we just being pieces of shit for no reason huh? Tails didn't get retconned, Toriyama removed them to make it easier to draw his characters Zenkai Boosts still exist they were very prominent in the Goku Black Arc. Zenkai Boosts are not always a game winner, we literally see Vegeta get beat up after getting a Zenkai Boost in the Namek Arc, that was the WHOLE point. Just because you don't think Gohan has an ego problem doesn't mean he actually doesn't. It just means you never paid attention to the story and was just watching for the big flashing lights and big strong men punching eachother. Trunks doesn't have an ego problem Shenron can only kill people weaker than it's creator that's established in the fucking Saiyan Saga. So no problems cannot be solved by telling Shenron "make _ stop existing". The wishes to be stronger came with a price, the point was to show off the power of actually training for your strength Vados, Marcarita, Launch... It's really not that hard to mention female characters in DB who are not in relationships. You have a problem with female characters getting married or having relationships? If you trying say female characters are irrelevant in DB you are sadly mistaken. Bulma is quite literally THE most important character in DB No I don't remember because it never fucking existed. Goku never had evil intentions otherwise he would have been damaged by the devilmight beam which can draw out any evil in your heart and use it to damage. If Goku had evil intentions he wouldn't be able to ride the Nimbus cloud. Father of Shounen is not disrespectful considering a bunch of mangakas with popular animes and mangas have come out publicly to say Toriyama was an inspiration (Kishimoto - Naruto, Tite Kubo - Bleach, Oda - One Piece and so many more) hell Bleach wouldn't of even existed if Toriyama never told Kubo to try again and put in a good word for him Can you not see a trend here? All of your "points/arguments" are just you not paying attention to the story or being a piece of shit. So before you decide to slander get your fucking facts straight otherwise you will look like an idiot shouting nonsense.
because ppl are obsessed with Goku losing a vs battle so they put any char with some kind of broken ability against him. And then cry and call ppl fanboys because Goku wins
@doubletapp1335 Since the Buu saga, people have been able to, with just yelling, shatter space time to escape the room of spirit and time by creating a hole in it. Then Buuhan has a move where by powering up, he starts to collapse the entire macrocosm into itself
@@Paul_Frankfacts, even Goku against Hit is shattering his pocket dimension with his speed/punches alone. Then there's the whole Beerus clash, shaking the world of void which is comprises of infinite nothingness, etc. Goku's power alone negates Gojo's hax and then Gojo would die in a hit.
Goku: *Punches* Gojo: "It doesn't work, it's like there's a limitless void between us." Goku: *Punches again* Gojo: *Explodes* Gojo: "What the heck, there was a limitless void between us!" Goku: "You've already shown me that move before. It won't work on me again." Gojo: "That makes literally NO SENSE!" Goku: "Neither does your move..."
@@jayb235yup i mean like a gazilion Times weaker version of him but when gokus off guard he can get killed by many things even bullets sometimes hurt him and then he also tanks multiverse destroying attacks whiteout any problem in base thats goku for you
@@jayb235db logic. You can be an infinitely powerful 92nd dimensional being, and die from a bullet if your off gaurd. Also, why would you count viruses against him? Anyone could die from something like that.
Fun fact: domain expansion only works on anime characters in jjk, why? No other verse has cursed energy, example, toji has no cursed energy, so he cant get effected by domain expansion, so any character that is outside of jjk is immune to domain expansion.
Something worth pointing out, regular humans are capable of surviving Infinite Void so long as they aren't exposed to it for more than .2 seconds. With how fast goku is that is actually an INCREDIBLY long amount of time. Frankly goku is so fast that i honestly wonder if he would be inside the domain long enough to actually be effected by it
good point. also, goku isn't a human and even if he was, he sure as shit isn't a regular one. no way in hell is infinite void killing him in .2 seconds with how strong his body is.
@@justarandompepe8961 He would technically be considered a regular one since he doesn't have cursed energy, infinite void hits harder on those who don't have it.
@@LumiKattlinBut then you must consider how the energies of each universe apply against each other, if they even do. If Ki can somehow act as a barrier against Cursed Energy and their related attacks/powers, then it's not even close to a fight. Goku would only take attacks if he is 100% caught off guard, or relaxed, we have examples of this in the series. But if he knows he is gonna fight, sure he won't use like... 10k power level worth of ki, expecially if Cursed Energy can be sensed like Ki is, he will at least use the same amount as Gojo has.
This is rather consistent with what the guy explained Infinite Void to be. As the first instance of thought comes at about those speeds, faster or slower given the cognitive power of the individual in mind.
If you remember afterwards, the humans were still absolutely baked, needing months to even function normally again. And it was only inside Gojo's mind that he made the split-second thought of 0.2s being the limit a human can withstand
If Gojo is having nosebleeds just from casting domains, that kinda erases the whole "Gojo has infinite stamina" argument. If he uses too much CE he clearly suffer pain or die outright. The amount of force that Goku would put on Gojo's infinity would probably just cause Gojo to either drop infinity or for his brain to explode.
@@darthgames3 nah it's because after a domain your ct is on cooldown but gojo used reverse cursed technique to heal his cooldown but that destroys your brain reread the chapter you'll see
His nosebled was because he focused too much on renewing his technique instead of healing his body,not stamina issues,it it was then that's one more thing gege is compromising because he wrote himself into a corner.And force has nothing to do with infinity?Infinity shows down attacks infinitely the user doesn't even counter the force of an attack the force goku output is irrelevant unless it has like immeasurable speed and he has other easier ways to counter infinity.
@@ahmadkazan5473 he has finite cursed energy output and stamina; which is why he has to focus on renewing his CT in opposition to doing other things. Jamari who has infinite CE in jackpot, heals automatically. Gojo has clear limits and limited CE. Force/power and speed are directly related to velocity. That’s middle school science fam.
When a new OP character comes out and gets the “can he beat Goku” treatment, it says a lot about Goku. If I was an OP character no way in Hell am I gonna fight the guy that’s set the damn Bar for Strength 😂
@@geokashi357 I feel like your a Gokutard with that responses because dragon ball has been agreed to have the worst fan base so no Goku meat riders compare him to everything superman is not compared since he has feats to prove why he can do things
@@riocolpaert heian sukuna could've used domain amplification inside their domains so that gojo can't defeat him in 3 minutes, then kill gojo after gojo nosebleeds since he'd never be hit by IV. Gojo himself said sukuna took the hard way and we see multiple times its because sukuna doesn't just want to beat gojo but also beat limitless and improve as a sorcerer. I can't believe people are still saying this especially with the new information from these past few chapters
Ikr its not even DBZ fans fault, it's the fault of that particular anime fanbase that starts comparing their fav anime character of the show to Goku lol
i love your videos, you not only fully explain what would theoretically happen, but more importantly why and how it would go down. so many people just be saying stuff without thinking about it or are so emotionally charged that they don't think logically.
I'm just surprised that jjk fans r not throwing slurs in the comments Dude's can't explain jjk mechanics but will burn u at the stake if you say Gojo won't "no diff" any fictional character that gets compared to him
@@sixfromtokyo Goku beating infinity: 1)Goku can seal gojo with mafuba.... Goku wins... 2) Goku can hakai past infinity, ex Zeno can hakai things based on bio signature without harming the surroundings..... 3)Goku can summon Zeno... nuff said 4)Goku can teleport Kamehameha past infinity as it locks onto bio signatures and teleports him there... 5) Goku has telekinesis and can stop multiversal beings like Moro and block attacks and levitate opponents with just his mind like with Granolah.... 6) Goku can encase infinity with god bind allowing him to lock Gojo in place for all eternity AND then cut off his air supply by teleporting him under the ocean or he can cut off his air supply by encasing him in ki like in the hands of Goku's avatar until he suffocates LIKE Gara encasing someone in sand.... Goku beats limitless: 1) Goku can teleport out of limitless as he can teleport past different dimensions, like the afterlife 2) Goku can move outside the range of a domain expansion faster than gojo can encapsulate him into a domain expansion.. 3) Hakai destroys domain expansions
oh wow. sukuna barely get pass purple in his strongest state yet, while goku able to tank hakai (albeit a weak version) in his base form while off guard. @@ahmadkazan5473
One thing people keep forgetting is the insane speed difference between them. Regardless of what ability gojo has his brain still operates slightly above a human scale of speed. Dragon Ball characters have been fighting faster than light speed since before Z. By now they're so fast there's not even a point in trying to quantify it anymore (Goku flying through hell in finite time even tho it's an infinite dimension) so Goku can reach gojo even before gojo knows Goku exists. And even if he could react to Goku's speed his ability will still get shattered by Goku's natural aura since we know he can generate power well beyond the universal scale. This whole debate makes 0 sense given the massive stats difference.
@@rifarira9160superman stomps goku, milkman man is above concepts, this isnt even mentioning the "idea of superman". Even if you were to disregard these conceptual feats, superman still scales to multiversal feats, boomtube superman's size alone is above the entire multiverse of dragonball.
@@greed864this is insanely stupid as there's multiple supes and multiple gokus now. And a good amount of supes lose to Gokus. There's only a few who can do shit and even there they're basically fearless, ie superman prime or 1 million whatever the hell his name is.
yeah hes not the strongest but more weaker characters can shove gojos glasses down his throat. (piccolo, trunks, yamcha, kid trunks, goten and ect.) so goku is basically not needed
@@daddy_Ryoto Dont forget Chi Chi! She was very close to the same power level as someone who blew up the moon last we saw, so she could prob just nuke the floor with a punch and kill him that way. Which reminds me of Goku's easiest way to win. Just blow up the earth, or the solar system, or the galaxy, or the Universe. Gojo cant survive in space
@gunnerfiner8361 he can but wouldnt. plus i dont think goku can survive in space either but even without blowing the planet up he would still fuck gojo up in 10 seconds.
@@daddy_Ryoto Wdym he wouldnt. We are looking at character stats and powers vs a different character stats and powers. And Goku 100% can survive in space. He fought Berus in space, and has fought other people in space. He can at least hold his breath for 1 second, which is more then enough time to teleport away.
what?? no... goku's instant transmission is simply teleporting to locations he's been before by using ki. it's teleportation, and simply teleportation, which is instant. as far as i remember, there are no dimensions in dragon ball and the most would be timelines and universes.
@@scanbbb the hyperbolic time chamber is an extra dimension. And yes, instant transmission is goku traveling through a parallel dimension. It's been explained.
@@maravreloaded goku explained how instant transmission works in the broly movie. And since that is the only explanation for the technique, it's the default explanation until something else comes along.
@@scanbbb I distinctly remember a time of goku saying that his particles have to dismiss into light, or something like that back when he first got the technique
Kusekabe explains domain amplification better in chapter 225, he states that the user covers himself in a domain without a technique, which allows the enemy’s technique to flow into this empty space. So Domain Amplification power null is more like putting the enemy’s technique somewhere else than nullifying it with sheer power. Gojo increasing the output of Infinity likely made infinity to big to fit in the “empty space” of the disaster curses.
Exactly. No one just hits him with a really strong attack with output that bypasses Gojo’s low output limitless. Domains displace the technique so he’s vulnerable. Goku bodies Gojo, but he’d need to get creative with Ki to do it.
Well tbf I don't think this debunks the argument I think it's just also included because the power null can be overpowered by strengthening a cursed technique. The empty space is likely the water like domain that covers the body.
Well, no, that's Ki and natural alien abilities, like bioelectricity and psychic powers. Techniques that are magic (or effectively magic) still work regardless of the power difference. It's more a matter of "does this character have the imagination and depth of power to no sell this technique". For example, Goku vs Hit, Goku is spending his power to force himself forward in the time skip. But on Namek, Guldo's time stop worked on everyone, including his own teammates, even though they were stronger than him. As another example, Majin Buu possesses the magical power to transmute things into other things. But Vegito was so powerful that even when transformed into a candy ball, he was fully aware, capable of using his Ki, and continued kicking Buu's bouncy ass. Babidi's Majin mark was magical, and was effectively a slave brand, forcing anyone with evil in their heart to serve him, yet Vegeta was able to take the power up without becoming a mind slave. Magic _does work_ , there is just a certain threshold beyond which pure physical power can overcome magic.
Even if Gojo's hacks were working most DB characers, even those far weaker than current Goku, could just destroy the whole planet under Gojo then it's GG. And then there is Jiren who was so fast and strong that he was literally beyond time. You know when Hit supposedly freezed time around him but he still managed to move.
I was rewatching the buu saga and Buuhan just screaming/powering up had to be stopped because Goku said he would tear apart the reality of their entire universe. Power scalers never talk about this feat but its absolutely fucking nuts that happened considering how weak buuhan is in current dragon ball.
I also remember SSj3 Gotenks flying around the earth like multiple times in a flash. SSj3 gotenks ripped a whole into another dimension when they got trapped in the time chamber. Vegito trolling Buu even after being turned into candy.
@@deathitself6985 well that speed feat is weak since at this point they should have been like infiniteley faster thanigh and this was about lightspeed feat so idk
@dattos140 It appears in OG and kai and has an official name I'm taking it 🤷♂️ plus with kid buu being universal- multiversal it makes sense buuhan can do something insane like that being significantly stronger than kid buu
I've always imagined that if Goku punched Gojo hard enough, he would just liquify inside his own infinite for a fraction of a second before the barrier collapses. If he can shake the entire universe with a punch, infinite might as well not be there.
@@l-playz6945dragon ball universe is an infinite machrocosm, not finite like jjk verse. Buuhan was threatening to collapse the entire INFINITE dragon ball universe, and current Goku scales billions of times higher. This isn't a debate, Goku negs
The idea that Gojo would even be able to perceive/react to gokus fighting speed is....and interesting take and i would LOVE whatever whomever thinks that is smoking.
I think the most interesting thing about these two meeting is just imagining Gojo's reaction to someone like Goku. A non-curse energy "human" who is overwhelmingly stronger than he is, I think Gojo would actually be ecstatic to meet someone like Goku to an absolutely wholesome extent.... Who isn't like Toji.
At 9:40, the reason gojo's purple hit himself could just be that the infinity didn't recognize it as an attack or harmful since it's made of his own CE.
Another reason Limitless simply doesn't work is because Goku crossed the dragon ball hell (which is said to be infinite in size) in a finite amount of time so he would straight up just punch Gojo.
Great explanation! I think another point for Goku is instant transmission. Even if the space between them was infinite since Goku moves through another dimension and exits instantaneously at his destination he could still get close enough to Gojo to deal damage.
His hands won't instantaneously touch Gojo though, he'll only be able to move to him and any attack registered as a threat from then on will not be able to land unless he pulls a bs feat as usual
@@l-playz6945 Why shouldn't he be able to instantly touch him? He moves through a different universe and just emerges right with his fingers around his neck for example. If the distance is 0 Gojos power doesn't work. Even if Goku couldn't assert any force with his fingers Goku could just scorch him from there by releasing ki and creating massive heat. Maybe he could even put part of his body right inside of Gojo killing him instantly (tough Goku never used that, maybe that would hurt him too).
The big problem with most of the arguments in Gojo's favor is that raw strength in Dragon ball just tends to straight up neg hax. Goku literally showed in the fights with hit that he can straight up bypass extra-dimensional concepts like time and pretty much just force himself into the future or destroy Hit's time barriers just by powering up enough. Even if Gojo's infinity barrier didn't just get nuked by Goku punching himself with incalculable force and in zero time via dragon ball bullshit, Goku could reasonably just power up so much that Gojo's infinity just stops affecting him entirely. We've seen it happen so often in dragon ball that it's more likely to happen that way than not. Good example being Buu, who showed that he could consistently just regen from attacks and didn't even feel pain or discomfort from physical blows, but the moment he got put up against someone significantly stronger than him, his regen got slowed down significantly and physical blows were able to deal visible damage to his body. That's just one of many examples In all reality, a fight between Goku and Gojo would involve Goku instantly blitzing him and breaking through his infinity, then somehow negging Gojo's unlimited void by powering up enough to just smash through the barrier on the spot. Even the sure-hit unlimited information would probably just get negged in a similar fashion, with Goku somehow having some kind of passive barrier that slows down the information transfer enough that it can't overwhelm him. For some people (namely jjk fans) that might seem like I'm just pulling it out of my ass, but in dragon ball, raw strength consistently beats hax with like, zero explanation other than just "he's stronger teehee".
assuming Ki enchance your physical prowess, both inside and outside, then i dont see how goku cannot tank infinite information long enough to stop gojo from doing it. i mean, isnt that the reason why goku condition getting worsen when fighting android 20? transforming to ssj make his heart beat more faster thus making the virus spread much faster. implying that the stronger your form the better your physical prowess become. Oh yeah, we even have much recent example for that. First is when gohan fighting one of the trio wolf where he got hit with poison, if i remember correctly goku said its dangerous for gohan to stay in ssj cuz its help spread the poison faster. another much much more recent example is during super hero movie where piccolo(or gohan i forgor) said that gohan eye sight is scale to his power. the stronger he became the better his eye sight become. so, assuming the physical capability of them have the same scalling as their power level in general than Goku brain would be infinitely much more durable than a normal human.
@@rifarira9160 A fair point. Plus in namek Saga Goku straight up reads Krillin's mind of all of the events since they last saw each other within the span of like a second and is completely fine. So it stands to reason that Goku should be able to process massive amounts of information far quicker and with far less risk of overload. If he's held there indefinitely, he'll EVENTUALLY start to suffer for it, but I think an in character Goku is gonna be smart enough to realize the danger and break through Gojo's domain the instant the sure hit begins.
Also goku has recently advanced his ultra instinct to the point that he can use it with his other forms. So he doesn’t even need to be in mui if u didn't know infinite void dont got shi on goku lo
"Infinite Void could fry Goku's brain" He never had much of one to begin with and even if it did fry his brain that'd probably inadvertently activate mastered ultra instinct, maybe even a stronger version of it since he has even less braincells to work with. I think the fastest/easiest way for Goku to beat Gojo would be for Goku to use instant transmission onto Gojo and punch him in the head. GG, Gojo defeated in less then 0.1s. But yeah overall this debate is pretty silly.
The idea of the perception-blitz is a topic that has meat to me, but ultimately a lot of these debates boil down to fanboys throwing their faves at each other without really engaging with the mechanics of any abilities
I still dont understand how goku bypasses infinity like with which technique cuz all the bros in the comment said was that goku is strong and shit but not an actual technique or at least an attack that nullifies any defensive power, like the soul splitting sword that cut through infinity or the plot armor technique which sukuna haven't used since the heian era
@@-S4TUniverse is infinite (atleast in DBVerse), and one of DB villain, Super Buu, able to tear it apart just by screaming. Goku right now is infinitely more stronger than Super Buu, which mean he can easily over power infinity barrier and destroy it with simple raw punch to the face no need for fancy technique. Even if he cant destroy infinte barrier, Goku can just punch the dimension space around Gojo and break it, which will affect Gojo just like how Sukuna dimension slash affect gojo. another example of Goku interacting with infinite concept is Goku shaking the infinite void with just powering up. If goku powering up shake the infinte void, which shouldnt be able to be shaken to begin with, then infinite barrier is an easy piece.
@@-S4T I'm gonna say this as simply as possible. No disrespect, but Gojo isn't special. Spatial manipulation is something common in DBZ, like the other commenter said. Goku's weakest punch can easily tear through space and reality, and even if people wanted to give Gojo that benefit and say he couldn't Goku would just learn how, he has way higher battle I.Q, learning capabilities and overall abilities than Sukuna, would not take Goku long.
@@-S4T Also goku has recently advanced his ultra instinct to the point that he can use it with his other forms. So he doesn’t even need to be in mui to attack gojo within infinite void. Even his base form will be a serious threat.
I'd argue that if Goku is in a "powered up state" the barrier for the Infinity Void would not be able to close since the amount of ki goku releases is just too much, the barriers for the domains have greater durability from the inside but that doesn't mean it's indestructible and I don't think it'd be able to confine the sheer amount of ki released during something like SS3.
@@doriankamanzi6874 In my scenario he is already in a powered up state, my point would be if he gets to a powered up state before before the domain comes into play, Gojo might end up out of options since his domain, unlike Sukuna's, uses a barrier to form. Who knows, maybe ki can pass through the barrier without an issue, I'm just pointing out some possibilities.
@@doriankamanzi6874 How would it fry gokus brain though? I don't think you realize that goku has been ftl since the start of Z. What that means, is, his brain has to be advanced enough to keep up with his body. .2 seconds of gojos domain being half a years worth of information means nothing to goku.
That actually makes it worse as infinite void loops all info you've processed in your life. Without resistance, Goku cooked here, the debate isn't on if infinite void beats if it lands@@crimson5067
sukuna had hax that could bypass infinity. If gojo just straight tries to punch that wont have the same effect as sukuna. It takes hax to bypass another hax
@@anoaboadosaro its not that is just high raw power. Nothing to do with hax. Unless that raw speed of goku reaches anywhere near infinite speed he won't bypass infinity as is. Sukuna could cut the space/world around his infinity and had nothing to do with raw stats. That's why he was able to bypass it.
@@pathogermic3662 dude, they can literally destroy infinite space in dragon ball, even in dragon ball z, Buu could destroy the macrocosm, which is also inifinite. It doesn't matter, Gojo is dead. If Sukuna can cut space, than characters at the end of z Buu saga, can break it just by screaming, Buu did it. Just getting high enough ki is enough to break space itself.
Can't even say Gojo is stronger than Goku by any metric because Kid Goku was already moon+ to small-planetary by the time King Piccolo rolled around, he would lose to Jackie Chun in the 1st tournament too ..
Also goku has recently advanced his ultra instinct to the point that he can use it with his other forms. So he doesn’t even need to be in mui to attack gojo within infinite void. Even his base form will be a serious threat. Goku will still have serious brain damage after the attack but gojo will be at the airport explaining to geto how crazy goku was.
unless goku can strenghten/protect his brain from direct injury using his Ki then it for sure will deal damage if goku not in UI. then again, tui seems like a technique that active whenever goku in a fight. @@jasontchoudjen9740
@@bullettime1116 goku is faster than light dude. after his sentence repeated 3 times hed know he has to activate ui to get out of it. i dont think hell get any brain damage from it. plus gojo wouldnt be able to even activate it on time cuz goku would speed blitz him in less than a second lol
Good video, also remember that goku has access to god ki in his god forms, and we know only gods can sense beings with god ki, or beings with god ki can only sense others with god ki, gojo and the unlimited void would not be able to sense goku, therefore the affects would not register to goku. Because unlimited void cannot sense beings without cursed energy, like maki or toji, also doesn't affect inanimate objects either. So the domain would not register goku's energy and basically treat him as inanimate, so it's useless. Another point, goku can I.T on to other people, his incomplete hakai does not travel either, and turns you to dust. This isn't a fight.
Ye but gojo has shown he can sense beings that should not be able to be sense aka toji no cursed energy and yet gojo as a child sensed him and Toji was surprised on how so gojo would still be able to sense him
And for the unlimited void thing that's very debatable but remember domains don't go of the users sense it's cursed energy it's self so the domain would still sense Goku it dosent aplie by the same rules as normal beings do it's the power system it's self not to mention Goku would have to go into blue or god for that which I don't think he would do it's either ultra instinct or super sayian really
@@doriankamanzi6874 No, domains cant sense cursed energy it cant detect, and since goku doesn't have normal ki, he would go undetectable, ad gojo noticing tojis presence doesnt mean he sensed his cursed energy.
@@tiltedxfn3635 why would you say they can't sense cursed energy they can't detect as we have seen ever domain but sukunas acts on its own and if it attacks it will attack on its own regardless of what the user wants not once have we seen a domain not effect anyone they could not sense besides maki domain expasion act on there own accord and sense on there own accord they don't use the user or nowbito could do something or at least force it to attack maki
Isnt Ki composed of Emotions as well? Like courage, determination, etc? And doesnt Goku use the Spirit Bomb which is mostly made of Positive Emotions? Finally isnt Cursed Energy just negative emotions? If all of the above is true then cant Goku's technique's already interact with Cursed Energy and Gojo's limitless without crossverse equalization?
Ki can be utilised without emotion but emotion can affect it's power and use. So unless it's a technique/special attack that utilises positive emotion like the spirit bomb you would need to use Verse equalisation.
My take before watching this is that Gojo is definitely weaker in everything and for Goku it more comes down to if he could hit him and the unlimited void and if we assume Goku can hit Gojo then it comes down to does Goku just blits him in base or does Gojo get an unlimited void off. Forms for Goku don't matter as the base is already so strong that it's not worth mentioning Honestly it's a dumb fun argument that lost the fun factor due to people being overly zealous about it Edit: ok I finished watching a d yeah I agree with the stuff said, there is very little more to say as Six went into the finer details of my thoughts, though leading that UI may get around the one win condition I have Gojo is funny to me.
@@dianne8654 stop spreading misinformation, gojo's domain works against people with 0 cursed energy. it just doesnt apply the sure hit effect to people with HEAVENLY RESTRICTION. And goku doesnt have that.
@zyofroma5718 Can you prove the first part? People with heavenly restrictions have no cursed energy, which is precisely why domains don't work on them.
@@zyofroma5718 You're actually entirely wrong. If you dont equalize the verses, goku has 0 cursed energy. The heavenly restriction users are unaffected because of the exact same thing 0 cursed energy. It's why domains dont work on inanimate objects. This is explained when Sukuna's domain is activated and it describes his as special because it doesn't create a barrier it just manifests in the normal world meaning it hits inanimate objects too
What's funny is it's usually not Goku fans who do that. DB haters are just absolutely desperate to have a character that beats Goku for some reason, so they make absurd claims that DB fans then respond to. The "but can he beat Goku" types don't actually exist outside of memes.
“Unless you’re being extremely generous to a point I’d consider bias for Gojo, Goku would win” Flashback to Clothespins’ ‘inaccessible speed, five dimensional’ Gojo scaling 😭
@@donkeykong9822 tbh I don’t even think he believed that nonsense, him and his community are just anti Goku from what I noticed, had to dip out from his discord server a couple years ago because it was just so toxic 😭
The funny thing is once goku hears theres a space between us he would probably just use instant transmission, goku can sense life energy and gojo is right in front of him giving off a lot of energy and instant transmission is well instant so he would just go straight through it then punch him, wouldnt even need to power up
It can be the strongest or one of the strongest. If we talk about fighting, it can be one of the strongest, but angels like grand peiest can solo every other anime universe. If we talk about destruction...we have Zeno that can destroy entire universes by raising his hand@gogetablue7905
@@Baller_true On paper, a saibamen’s power level is close to Raditz, so 1,600. I would say that for the majority of characters, they would lose, maybe even in the same way Yamacha did. He was already fast af, but still got caught off guard.
the fact that a character that is like 5 years old can even have a chance against someone who has been getting new powers and strength levels for 40+ years is still insane
@@B3an01 That's true, but if we take Z as the beginning and consider DB as Goku's prequel (something like Gojo's past as a student),Goku was already the strongest in the world at that time, at least technically
My personal thought about getting around Infinity is to use more concentrated attacks. Domain amplification produces a dense Cursed Energy shield around the user so it's enough to affect limitless. Think about it this way, if I throw like 50 pieces of wood at an iron bar, the iron is not likely to break. But if I throw a tungsten cube of the same weight, the iron would dent. So its about the potency and density of Cursed Energy crushing Infinity.
The 2 energy systems works too differently to be truly equalized, as we know that even with someone like Sukuna who has like 5x more Raw CE compared to Gojo (Yuta has like 3x more CE reserves than Gojo and Sukuna has 2x of Yuta but let's LOWBALL it) and even then, Sukuna is incapable of bypassing Gojo's hax with far higher RAW CE, which wouldn't happen to Ki users as it's been a law in DB that if your Ki is high enough you can ignore the haxes of people who have far lower Ki than you, even moreso with God Ki.
PE is always screwy. Bleach is a good example because obviously they are ghosts and can't even fight regular people. So, ofc you need to at least alter the circumstances to allow the fight to happen in the first place.
It would be interesting to have a video listing characters that can get past limitless or just no diff Gojo regardless since he keeps getting high balled all the time
I wish that they would stop putting him against other anime characters and actually put him againist the originals like marvel ,dc etc if such a “OP” character . If goku can go against super man put gojo against someone like the flash to really scale if we talking about characters who are basically untouchable.
Honestly. Infinity isn't a barrier in itself it's like a time slower, you never can reach the inside but Goku being Goku, he'll just speed through. As for the Domain Expansion. It doesn't matter wether Goku can survive in, cause Gojo dies before activating it
I love how people forget unlimited void can only effect people with cursed energy and that it only effects normal people because it's said that everyone in jjk has cursed energy it's just too low to do anything with it or see curses. other anime's doesn't have cursed energy so unlimited void is the most useless domain in a anime vs anime fight
Which is the same argument Naruto fans have to overcome when trying to explain why Uchihas could totes for real solo DBZ characters because Tsukyomi, even though genjutsu is explicitlt explained as one person fucking with another person's perceptions by manipulating the target's chakra. DBZ doesn't have chakra networks. And then they start going off about Kaguya and how her eyes work on everyone, but one Uchihas ain't Kaguya, and two, Otsutsukis are just Namek frieza. A bunch of natural born strong people who rely entirely on just being way stronger than anyone else. They have poor combat creativity, tend to overuse the same trick, and rely on their giant chakra pools and healing tech to carry the day. By the time an Otsutsuki realized they should maybe try their perfect infinite illusion technique, they'd be dead.
This is what happens when people believe haxes work against power levels. There are different haxes in different animes even big 3 fans still think their characters can beat goku cause of the hax. But people forget how power levels work.
Anime fans are just tired of Goku getting W's against other anime characters for over 20 years so they just power scale anyone who can destroy a mountain to goku. They are so desperate that they begin searching light novel and web novels just to find someone that can beat Goku. These characters obviously never stand the test of time in the debate against Goku. I remember many years ago when it was sailor moon, Naruto, etc. Now it is saitama, anos, gojo. Give them time, they will come to their senses like before.
goku was never a strongest character in first place. just most popular one. its not even that hard to find character that can stomp goku. Najimi Ajimu rolfstomps goku as she has 12 quadrillion abilities. essentially god.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd Goku has never been the strongest anime character. There are way too many animes for that. He is just stronger than most of the popular anime characters placed against him. People just want their favorite characters to be stronger than him
i dont care about powerscaling. i can write character stupidly op. i cant write "Good" character. he is badly written i dont like it. gojo is better written.@@Fact_Check12
@@QWERTY-gp8fd your last comment was about a character that can beat Goku which guess what, is power scaling and you say that you don't care about power scaling. Also, might I ask how gojo is a better written character than Goku. A stupidly OP character who has done nothing of importance in the anime and had zero character development is better written than Goku who has undergone character development over the years, saved the universe multiple times, converted villains to heroes and sacrificed himself for the greater good. We get it, gojo is your favourite character and when he lost the strength battle you went to the writing battle which he will also lose. If you like gojo fine, but don't say Goku is a badly written character.
i said that as a example that its easy to find character that defeats goku. bro did not watch the show. gojo has gone through development from arrogant bastard to little less arrogant non bastard. goku character development is throwing stronger punch after changing his hair color for the 1000th time. gojo actually got "high" from fighting. very realistic if i had magic i would use it to become high. he spouts some enlightment bullsh,it while high i liked and find it very relatable. everytime i do lsd i spout enlightment bullsh,it whenever i throw hands against my shadow. bad trip or good trip that one particular sh,it never changes. goku shows literally nothing aside from the narrative explanation that he loves fight. dude has lower iq than my dog. he bet his universe with just to fight strong dudes. like thats his whole motivation to tournament of power arc. like bruh beerus, whis is there why the hell u need to seek out strong dude for. he becomes stupid as the time goes on. rant over. @@Fact_Check12
Ah yes, what a well constructed argument "goku solos" i think i can not comeback from this instructive two-worded argument totally not bs and absolutely structured
@@elsensei666 never said it was bullshit, infact i totally agree with @Guns66's statement. Therefore i find your reply quite useless as i was not trying to be ironic assuming you thought i wanted and was sarcastic in my first comment
The interesting question would be at what point Goku surpassed Gojo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, so... I take it that's the author's explanation at 4:15? When the author doesn't know the difference between convergent and divergent infinite series, there is literally no point in trying to understand the math behind his ability. I'm glad he comes right out and says that it's all made up, and you aren't supposed to understand it. There can never be any math, logic, or physics in this debate, because Gojo's ability doesn't have any behind it. Not that it really matters. At the end of the day, a lot of Jujutsu fights are decided by cursed energy output and beating the crap out of each other. The stronger side usually wins (with exceptions for techniques and domains....sometimes). And since there are people in Jujutsu with no cursed energy who can match the level of special grade, you can't really argue that cursed energy always beats someone without it. I'm not even sure you can argue that a domain's automatic hit effect will automatically win (again...how many times does it actually automatically win). So now we've really just comparing cursed energy output vs ki power levels. We've got Special Grade Sorcerers and Curses, who have raw power on the city level, or perhaps continent level. Going up against Dragon Ball. Lmao. Doesn't matter if it's Gojo, Mahoraga, or anyone else with a cheat ability. They can't match that raw power. I would like to see Mahorago fight against Goku though. The mad lad would start the fight off slow like he always does, until he figures out the trick, at which point he would continue to pace the fight just to see how far Mahoraga can go. It wouldn't matter in the end, though. Just like how Gojo's infinity isn't really infinite, Mahoraga can't really become immune to everything. He can just develop a way to attempt to counter it. Which in the case of a Kamehameha, probably means seeing into the future to dodge it. It'd be a fun fight.
@@yeikelamores6085 Namek Goku without super saiyan? Was going to doubt that, but then I looked up the power levels. And wow, that's...got to be non-linear. I can't take 90,000 power level growing to 3,000,000 after the zenkai boost seriously. And that's before adding on Kaioken or SSJ multipliers. It's just as much nonsense as Gojo's "logical explanations" for his infinity ability. And both mangaka know it. Ignoring the numbers, and just going off what is shown and how it feels when they use it, what Kaioken boost feels equivalent to a Black Flash? ...the more I think about it, the more I wonder why I bothered asking. How could anyone answer when Goku passed Gojo? What would Six Eyes and Infinity do against an instant transmission ki attack?
Remember in dbz if you are powerful enough you can literally do anything. Like Vegito becoming a living fighting chocolate ball, super buu breaking out from the room of spirit and time dimesion, ss3 Goteks having sentient ki blasts shaped as ghosts with their form, zamasu taking over the universe, goku mind reading krillin on namek, frieza using the force to air choke krillin and blow him up like a balloon and others, goku able to keep up with a time wizard assasin by using kaioken. Strength just overwhelms everything.
Goofy ahh debate
Fr
Nah fr
Tell ‘em bro!
Fr bro 😂
Fr JJK fans be delusional sometimes.
“Stand proud Satoru. You made me use kaioken”
Nah he should be proud if goku has to even move in general
Times 2 to make him feel better right?
“Stand Proud. You might beat my newborn son”
Kaioken lmao isn't that overkill he can barely handle the base form better send kid Goku 🤣
not if he kills him using his ki force in base
“Throughout the heaven and the earth, I am totally fucked.”
-Gojo
This 😂
Nga yo name Daniel do not talk bout getting fucked😂😂😂
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Gojo after seeing Goku's eye's/hair turn silver after he uses unlimited void on him
NAH, I'D WIN.
“Stand proud Gojo. You are strong”
-Yamcha
Yesnt
i can prove thats right yamcha will solo his verse watch dragon ball og
@@dachidachidonadze1994 if gojo dont have limitless and infinity then maybe
@@abdullahkurashi2135dragonball characters ki nullifies all hax when strong enough, this has been shown several times in dragonball
@@mookiestewart3776 but we have to know limitless is part of his physical ability. Although yamcha can use ki blast which can create shockwave and atomic level destruction so limitless wont be able to witstand multuple ki blast. So yamcha win
“Stand proud Satoru. You made Krilin fight seriously”
I mean maybe dbz krillin sure. Dbs krillin blinks him away
@@vincentchamberlain107i'm not sure if this is a joke
"Coughing Baby Vs Hydrogen Bomb" ahh debate
lol
Hydrogen baby vs coughing bomb type debate. Due to how gojo works
@@qua_xor3348 my brain exploded reading this sentence and now i'm thinking about how a hydrogen baby would look, and how a coughing bomb would work
does a hydrogen baby just combust on touch??
does a coughing bomb make explosions everytime it coughs???
He went to hell too late, created the middest if not one of the worst things, that somehow got popular (even you know it plague). Calling him father of shonen is insult to shonen even considering that its a sheet magazine. DB never deserved what it got. And Akira was never good at anything related to story telling,/writing (Where went his mind reading power went, tails got retconned because he forgot about them, zenkai boots dont exist, and why not just keep nearly perish just to be healed to solve any problem, I dont think gohan or trunk have an ego problem to resolve problems this way + way more), and comedy (haha girl under 18 wearing playboy outfit). Db was mid, DBZ somehow got worse, DBS tried to repair the mess this "franchise" is and failed, only making 1 good character (zamasu). And the manga is just "look he wished to be the strongest, but he still isnt", which shows how many problems could be solved by saying "shenron, make _ stop existing". Btw name any femalre characters that you cant describe "wife/girl of _" Except for those 2 sayains that got their backs tingly. And maybe if they were relevant to the actual story, that would be nice :p. Do you remember the that Akira said that goku isnt a bad person, but isnt a good guy? Do you remeber how it had potential about goku not being evil but going rogue to pursue his evil intentions? Or how about berus growing stronger, with no explanation.
@@Shitposting_IHMN So we just being pieces of shit for no reason huh?
Tails didn't get retconned, Toriyama removed them to make it easier to draw his characters
Zenkai Boosts still exist they were very prominent in the Goku Black Arc. Zenkai Boosts are not always a game winner, we literally see Vegeta get beat up after getting a Zenkai Boost in the Namek Arc, that was the WHOLE point.
Just because you don't think Gohan has an ego problem doesn't mean he actually doesn't. It just means you never paid attention to the story and was just watching for the big flashing lights and big strong men punching eachother. Trunks doesn't have an ego problem
Shenron can only kill people weaker than it's creator that's established in the fucking Saiyan Saga. So no problems cannot be solved by telling Shenron "make _ stop existing". The wishes to be stronger came with a price, the point was to show off the power of actually training for your strength
Vados, Marcarita, Launch... It's really not that hard to mention female characters in DB who are not in relationships. You have a problem with female characters getting married or having relationships? If you trying say female characters are irrelevant in DB you are sadly mistaken. Bulma is quite literally THE most important character in DB
No I don't remember because it never fucking existed. Goku never had evil intentions otherwise he would have been damaged by the devilmight beam which can draw out any evil in your heart and use it to damage. If Goku had evil intentions he wouldn't be able to ride the Nimbus cloud.
Father of Shounen is not disrespectful considering a bunch of mangakas with popular animes and mangas have come out publicly to say Toriyama was an inspiration (Kishimoto - Naruto, Tite Kubo - Bleach, Oda - One Piece and so many more) hell Bleach wouldn't of even existed if Toriyama never told Kubo to try again and put in a good word for him
Can you not see a trend here? All of your "points/arguments" are just you not paying attention to the story or being a piece of shit. So before you decide to slander get your fucking facts straight otherwise you will look like an idiot shouting nonsense.
I really don’t even understand how this became a debate😂
JJK fans have a bad habit of putting their characters against people that are simply too strong.
because ppl are obsessed with Goku losing a vs battle so they put any char with some kind of broken ability against him. And then cry and call ppl fanboys because Goku wins
@@yspy_1801 facts
@@yspy_1801fr
It's kind of an honor being a character that the fandom deems worthy of getting one shot by Goku.
Gojo:"nah I'd win."
Goku:"you sure?"
Goku: “You were truly magnificent, Gojo Satoru. I’ll never forget you until I start eating dinner tonight.”
@@kylewilson2004 had me dying XDDDDDDDDD
😂
Goku : Stand proud gojo, you are strong.
"Would you lose"
Yes.
"Stand proud satoru, you made me use 1% of my power"
-chi chi
bahahahaha
Chi chi is shown with kaioken, so this checks out
Chichi is literally the strongest person without using ki tho
@@meh-o1n chi chi is not shown with kaioken, it's just a red aura for gags
@@SkyRider4815 thats mr Satan position, the guy actually solid martial artist that can held on his own against any non-ki users
“Stand proud gojo, you managed to make me use one ki blast”
Goku: pan go play with him 💯
Gojo:💀⚰️
@@Gomm-ey this had me rolling, nah imagine he sent arale 💀💀😂😂
no one is debating this, gojo just wins, just like deku
@@Shitposting_IHMN your joking
@@901GRIMKILLA you're* coping
Goku: Punches
Gojo: Has infinity shattered, meets Geto in the airport
Geto: How was Son Goku?
Thanks for the likes guys!
How does he shattee infinity?
@@gymshorts1101 His ki like many others can affect space time or scale to [people who can affect space time.
@doubletapp1335 Since the Buu saga, people have been able to, with just yelling, shatter space time to escape the room of spirit and time by creating a hole in it. Then Buuhan has a move where by powering up, he starts to collapse the entire macrocosm into itself
so did you just have the video on mute or just ignore the whole video tf xD@@gymshorts1101
@@Paul_Frankfacts, even Goku against Hit is shattering his pocket dimension with his speed/punches alone. Then there's the whole Beerus clash, shaking the world of void which is comprises of infinite nothingness, etc. Goku's power alone negates Gojo's hax and then Gojo would die in a hit.
Itadori:What happened??
Gojo:Idk .....he just flared up his aura..........
Lmao 😭
I don't get it he doesn't even make it to that point
Itadori: What actually happened??
Gojo: He breathed..
@@user-qj4px6ob4y I still don't get it
@@user-qj4px6ob4y biblically accurate crossverse battle (in this case)
"stand proud gojo, you're worth 1.2 saibamen"
Goku doesn't know the Saibaman, it would be 1.2 Raditz
@silurus1962I mean yamcha can beat more than 2 saibamen, the saibamen only won because of a sneak attack
@@yeikelamores6085 nah not even 1.2 raditz, way too powerful for gojo
Bro 1.2 sqibermen is 1.2 radix soo gojo has the power lv of 1400 lool
I just proved gojo beats goku
Goku: *Punches*
Gojo: "It doesn't work, it's like there's a limitless void between us."
Goku: *Punches again*
Gojo: *Explodes*
Gojo: "What the heck, there was a limitless void between us!"
Goku: "You've already shown me that move before. It won't work on me again."
Gojo: "That makes literally NO SENSE!"
Goku: "Neither does your move..."
So Goku went to the airport to have this conversation with Gojo?
@@yeikelamores6085 It's not like he doesn't know a technique which lets him literally do that
tbf, gojo so weak i doubt goku can sense him to it to the airport @@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780
no one is debating this, gojo just wins, just like deku
@tutaj_zostan whatever your having I don’t want it, gojo and deku does no scratch to goku
I mean, Infinity is a OP technique, but it kinda becomes irrelevant against somone who can tank a multiverse to the face.
Goku's durability is irrelevant. Infinity isn't an offensive ability, it's a defensive one.
@GSSAGE7 goku has inf speed and he bypassed timeskip so jts useless
we talking about the same dude that got capped in an and also died in an earlier timeline from a disease ?
@@jayb235yup i mean like a gazilion Times weaker version of him but when gokus off guard he can get killed by many things even bullets sometimes hurt him and then he also tanks multiverse destroying attacks whiteout any problem in base thats goku for you
@@jayb235db logic. You can be an infinitely powerful 92nd dimensional being, and die from a bullet if your off gaurd. Also, why would you count viruses against him? Anyone could die from something like that.
Anyone that claims to be the “strongest” has to run by the Goku fade
Goku isn't even the strongest.
Strongest shoenen mc@@user-zl3wf3ex6d
@@user-zl3wf3ex6d he is
@@user-zl3wf3ex6dyeah goku in power scaling is kind of like the wall that separates the fodder from the strong
@jax3845 🤨
No, he's not. Goku is brought up by Gokufans every time there's a strong character.
Goku gets beaten by a lot of people.
“Stand proud gojo, you’re strong”
-Bulma
LOL
Fun fact: domain expansion only works on anime characters in jjk, why? No other verse has cursed energy, example, toji has no cursed energy, so he cant get effected by domain expansion, so any character that is outside of jjk is immune to domain expansion.
@@LoLmp4 thats cap and not a fact at all lol
@LoLmp4 you got a point
@@LoLmp4Except Sukuna's domain. Which can target anything even without CE.
Something worth pointing out, regular humans are capable of surviving Infinite Void so long as they aren't exposed to it for more than .2 seconds. With how fast goku is that is actually an INCREDIBLY long amount of time. Frankly goku is so fast that i honestly wonder if he would be inside the domain long enough to actually be effected by it
good point. also, goku isn't a human and even if he was, he sure as shit isn't a regular one. no way in hell is infinite void killing him in .2 seconds with how strong his body is.
@@justarandompepe8961 He would technically be considered a regular one since he doesn't have cursed energy, infinite void hits harder on those who don't have it.
@@LumiKattlinBut then you must consider how the energies of each universe apply against each other, if they even do.
If Ki can somehow act as a barrier against Cursed Energy and their related attacks/powers, then it's not even close to a fight.
Goku would only take attacks if he is 100% caught off guard, or relaxed, we have examples of this in the series.
But if he knows he is gonna fight, sure he won't use like... 10k power level worth of ki, expecially if Cursed Energy can be sensed like Ki is, he will at least use the same amount as Gojo has.
This is rather consistent with what the guy explained Infinite Void to be. As the first instance of thought comes at about those speeds, faster or slower given the cognitive power of the individual in mind.
If you remember afterwards, the humans were still absolutely baked, needing months to even function normally again. And it was only inside Gojo's mind that he made the split-second thought of 0.2s being the limit a human can withstand
I can't even believe this is a topic, after what Sukuna did to infinity, do people even think Goku can't one punch him into the airport? 🤣
Airport??? Try sending his @$$ packing to the dead zone.
@@NMbones98I imagine the scene, Goku and Gojo start fighting, Goku throws a punch and the next thing he knows, Enma is sending him to heaven.
@@yeikelamores6085Gokus arura would beat him before his fist lands
Yeah, usually six cooks but this aint it. It's not even a debate, let alone an 18 min discussion
@@NMbones98😐
If Gojo is having nosebleeds just from casting domains, that kinda erases the whole "Gojo has infinite stamina" argument. If he uses too much CE he clearly suffer pain or die outright. The amount of force that Goku would put on Gojo's infinity would probably just cause Gojo to either drop infinity or for his brain to explode.
he was nosebleeding because of domain spamming not ce output
@@alexandergonstas6660Yeah but the reason why domain expansion spamming made him nosebleed is because of the high CE output.
@@darthgames3 nah it's because after a domain your ct is on cooldown but gojo used reverse cursed technique to heal his cooldown but that destroys your brain reread the chapter you'll see
His nosebled was because he focused too much on renewing his technique instead of healing his body,not stamina issues,it it was then that's one more thing gege is compromising because he wrote himself into a corner.And force has nothing to do with infinity?Infinity shows down attacks infinitely the user doesn't even counter the force of an attack the force goku output is irrelevant unless it has like immeasurable speed and he has other easier ways to counter infinity.
@@ahmadkazan5473 he has finite cursed energy output and stamina; which is why he has to focus on renewing his CT in opposition to doing other things. Jamari who has infinite CE in jackpot, heals automatically. Gojo has clear limits and limited CE.
Force/power and speed are directly related to velocity. That’s middle school science fam.
“Stand proud gojo you made me move”
-yamcha
When a new OP character comes out and gets the “can he beat Goku” treatment, it says a lot about Goku. If I was an OP character no way in Hell am I gonna fight the guy that’s set the damn Bar for Strength 😂
make me wonder why they never did it to superman, like, isnt that guy is far stronger than Goku?
@@rifarira9160yes but it's because Goku has a annoying fan base and they always compare Goku to everyone superman fans are not like that
@@doriankamanzi6874 nah goku haters are the most annoying superman is gay that's why no one compares him
@@geokashi357 I feel like your a Gokutard with that responses because dragon ball has been agreed to have the worst fan base so no Goku meat riders compare him to everything superman is not compared since he has feats to prove why he can do things
@@rifarira9160 Probably due to Goku being somewhat interesting, while superman has about as much flavor as stale bread.
It's laughable people even thought Gojo had any feasible chance, especially after losing to sukuna.
I'll say this, the only reason why sukuna won was cause he had megumis ten shadows technique, and sukuna only won cause he copied mahoragas adaption
@@riocolpaert heian sukuna could've used domain amplification inside their domains so that gojo can't defeat him in 3 minutes, then kill gojo after gojo nosebleeds since he'd never be hit by IV. Gojo himself said sukuna took the hard way and we see multiple times its because sukuna doesn't just want to beat gojo but also beat limitless and improve as a sorcerer. I can't believe people are still saying this especially with the new information from these past few chapters
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@@riocolpaertnah gojo copers
@Colors82 it's been shown that he has access to his own abilities while within a host, if he had thought it would have worked he would have done so
"stand proud gojo. you made me move 1 centimeter"
- baby bulma
You know Goku is a bad mamajama when every other shonen protagonist is immediately compared to him to see if they'd stand a chance.
Ikr its not even DBZ fans fault, it's the fault of that particular anime fanbase that starts comparing their fav anime character of the show to Goku lol
Are you Smug ? lmao
@@shirosatsuma4946 Am I smug?
@@SavageRush012 Smug, the guy that says bad mamajama
@@shirosatsuma4946 That makes zero sense but okay.
i love your videos, you not only fully explain what would theoretically happen, but more importantly why and how it would go down. so many people just be saying stuff without thinking about it or are so emotionally charged that they don't think logically.
Thanks lol
perforza
'Think of infinity as a finite barrier with the ability to divide infinitely.' My man gets it!
Ye way to many act like it's automatically infinit it only has the potential to be infinit
"Stand proud gojo, you've made me use my tounge" mercenary tao
Are people still arguing this? I figured were far enough into JJK that people have stopped overhyping Gojo by now.
Nope
I'm just surprised that jjk fans r not throwing slurs in the comments
Dude's can't explain jjk mechanics but will burn u at the stake if you say Gojo won't "no diff" any fictional character that gets compared to him
@@sixfromtokyo Goku beating infinity:
1)Goku can seal gojo with mafuba.... Goku wins...
2) Goku can hakai past infinity, ex Zeno can hakai things based on bio signature without harming the surroundings.....
3)Goku can summon Zeno... nuff said
4)Goku can teleport Kamehameha past infinity as it locks onto bio signatures and teleports him there...
5) Goku has telekinesis and can stop multiversal beings like Moro and block attacks and levitate opponents with just his mind like with Granolah....
6) Goku can encase infinity with god bind allowing him to lock Gojo in place for all eternity AND then cut off his air supply by teleporting him under the ocean or he can cut off his air supply by encasing him in ki like in the hands of Goku's avatar until he suffocates LIKE Gara encasing someone in sand....
Goku beats limitless:
1) Goku can teleport out of limitless as he can teleport past different dimensions, like the afterlife
2) Goku can move outside the range of a domain expansion faster than gojo can encapsulate him into a domain expansion..
3) Hakai destroys domain expansions
They're arguing sakuna beats goku now
oh wow. sukuna barely get pass purple in his strongest state yet, while goku able to tank hakai (albeit a weak version) in his base form while off guard. @@ahmadkazan5473
One thing people keep forgetting is the insane speed difference between them. Regardless of what ability gojo has his brain still operates slightly above a human scale of speed. Dragon Ball characters have been fighting faster than light speed since before Z. By now they're so fast there's not even a point in trying to quantify it anymore (Goku flying through hell in finite time even tho it's an infinite dimension) so Goku can reach gojo even before gojo knows Goku exists. And even if he could react to Goku's speed his ability will still get shattered by Goku's natural aura since we know he can generate power well beyond the universal scale. This whole debate makes 0 sense given the massive stats difference.
at this point the only popular chara that deserve to be compared to goku is Superman.
@@rifarira9160superman stomps goku, milkman man is above concepts, this isnt even mentioning the "idea of superman". Even if you were to disregard these conceptual feats, superman still scales to multiversal feats, boomtube superman's size alone is above the entire multiverse of dragonball.
@@greed864 nah superman loses cause he's gay
@@geokashi357gay Superman slaps any day
@@greed864this is insanely stupid as there's multiple supes and multiple gokus now. And a good amount of supes lose to Gokus. There's only a few who can do shit and even there they're basically fearless, ie superman prime or 1 million whatever the hell his name is.
Goku farts and Gojo is vaporized like cell was when gohan obliterated him. lmao
lol i know this is a joke but if he is kaioken he can probably do that
@@itsdiamond5128probably
Nothing is funnier to me than comparing an OP character to Goku, when Goku himself is not even the strongest in his damn show.
And they always use a fairly weak version of Goku, as there are at least 15 stronger versions of Goku
yeah hes not the strongest but more weaker characters can shove gojos glasses down his throat. (piccolo, trunks, yamcha, kid trunks, goten and ect.) so goku is basically not needed
@@daddy_Ryoto Dont forget Chi Chi! She was very close to the same power level as someone who blew up the moon last we saw, so she could prob just nuke the floor with a punch and kill him that way. Which reminds me of Goku's easiest way to win. Just blow up the earth, or the solar system, or the galaxy, or the Universe. Gojo cant survive in space
@gunnerfiner8361 he can but wouldnt. plus i dont think goku can survive in space either but even without blowing the planet up he would still fuck gojo up in 10 seconds.
@@daddy_Ryoto Wdym he wouldnt. We are looking at character stats and powers vs a different character stats and powers. And Goku 100% can survive in space. He fought Berus in space, and has fought other people in space. He can at least hold his breath for 1 second, which is more then enough time to teleport away.
Also, goku's instant transmission works by him passing his body through a parallel dimension.
Idk where you got that.
That's from Naruto.
what?? no... goku's instant transmission is simply teleporting to locations he's been before by using ki. it's teleportation, and simply teleportation, which is instant. as far as i remember, there are no dimensions in dragon ball and the most would be timelines and universes.
@@scanbbb the hyperbolic time chamber is an extra dimension.
And yes, instant transmission is goku traveling through a parallel dimension. It's been explained.
@@maravreloaded goku explained how instant transmission works in the broly movie. And since that is the only explanation for the technique, it's the default explanation until something else comes along.
@@scanbbb I distinctly remember a time of goku saying that his particles have to dismiss into light, or something like that back when he first got the technique
Kusekabe explains domain amplification better in chapter 225, he states that the user covers himself in a domain without a technique, which allows the enemy’s technique to flow into this empty space.
So Domain Amplification power null is more like putting the enemy’s technique somewhere else than nullifying it with sheer power. Gojo increasing the output of Infinity likely made infinity to big to fit in the “empty space” of the disaster curses.
Exactly. No one just hits him with a really strong attack with output that bypasses Gojo’s low output limitless. Domains displace the technique so he’s vulnerable. Goku bodies Gojo, but he’d need to get creative with Ki to do it.
Well tbf I don't think this debunks the argument I think it's just also included because the power null can be overpowered by strengthening a cursed technique. The empty space is likely the water like domain that covers the body.
@@sixfromtokyoChi Chi would Wreck Gojo
@@elpopman2055 No she wouldn't.... your exagerating noe
@@yspy_1801 I think he meant meme Chi Chi because meme Chi Chi is stronger than Goku himself being his wife.
JJK fans got to realize that in the db universe, you have to be stronger than your opponent in order for your hacks to work.
Well, no, that's Ki and natural alien abilities, like bioelectricity and psychic powers. Techniques that are magic (or effectively magic) still work regardless of the power difference. It's more a matter of "does this character have the imagination and depth of power to no sell this technique". For example, Goku vs Hit, Goku is spending his power to force himself forward in the time skip. But on Namek, Guldo's time stop worked on everyone, including his own teammates, even though they were stronger than him. As another example, Majin Buu possesses the magical power to transmute things into other things. But Vegito was so powerful that even when transformed into a candy ball, he was fully aware, capable of using his Ki, and continued kicking Buu's bouncy ass. Babidi's Majin mark was magical, and was effectively a slave brand, forcing anyone with evil in their heart to serve him, yet Vegeta was able to take the power up without becoming a mind slave.
Magic _does work_ , there is just a certain threshold beyond which pure physical power can overcome magic.
Even if Gojo's hacks were working most DB characers, even those far weaker than current Goku, could just destroy the whole planet under Gojo then it's GG. And then there is Jiren who was so fast and strong that he was literally beyond time. You know when Hit supposedly freezed time around him but he still managed to move.
Guldo fans stay winning
@@gogetablue942 Guldo is just him fr fr
@@Xahnelso stronger *in terms of Ki*
This man saved us a death battle video
Given how those people hate DB I would say this was a blessing.
An uncomplicated explanation of how this fight would go and why. Awesome
I was rewatching the buu saga and Buuhan just screaming/powering up had to be stopped because Goku said he would tear apart the reality of their entire universe. Power scalers never talk about this feat but its absolutely fucking nuts that happened considering how weak buuhan is in current dragon ball.
I also remember SSj3 Gotenks flying around the earth like multiple times in a flash. SSj3 gotenks ripped a whole into another dimension when they got trapped in the time chamber. Vegito trolling Buu even after being turned into candy.
@@deathitself6985 well that speed feat is weak since at this point they should have been like infiniteley faster thanigh and this was about lightspeed feat so idk
to be fair... it IS filler.
@dattos140 It appears in OG and kai and has an official name I'm taking it 🤷♂️ plus with kid buu being universal- multiversal it makes sense buuhan can do something insane like that being significantly stronger than kid buu
@@KevinJusticeWarrior Yeah, but most people prefer to use the manga canon over the anime canon, you can use whatever you want tho.
Gojo and Sukuna were literally going at it blow for blow, ain't no way he's hanging with Goku
INSTANT TRANSMISSION INSTANT TRANSMISSION HE COULD JUST USE INSTANT TRANSMISSION
I've always imagined that if Goku punched Gojo hard enough, he would just liquify inside his own infinite for a fraction of a second before the barrier collapses. If he can shake the entire universe with a punch, infinite might as well not be there.
The entire universe is a finite space, just extremely large. Gojo's infinity isn't a finite amount of space
@@l-playz6945
Jiren shook the infinite world of void by walking,Goku is currently beyond that feat.
@@l-playz6945dragon ball universe is an infinite machrocosm, not finite like jjk verse. Buuhan was threatening to collapse the entire INFINITE dragon ball universe, and current Goku scales billions of times higher. This isn't a debate, Goku negs
@@l-playz6945it isnt bruh -.-
@l-playz6945 idk if you knew this but the universe is actually infinite 😱😱😱😱
do gojo vs gojo next
Nah he'd win
@@GothamThotSlayerwell, I think actually Gojo wins, not Gojo
Yeah I think gojo beats gojo because gojo has more abilities than gojo and gojo is gojo without the fact that gojo Vs gojo gojo would win
Go vs Jo
@@TonioQuo7the ultimate battle for his lower half
> Infinite Void could fry Goku's brain
Bold of you to assume he has one...
😅😅😂
+ ui he doesn’t need a brain to fight
Battle IQ goes brrrrr
He can instinctively fight without thinking lmao, infinite void doesn’t even matter.
@@sanadye1861 Isn't ultra instinct moving to dodge without thinking. Not attacking because the technique is used by angels who don't attack.
There is literally 0 fucking way Gojo can remotely challenge goku
Get gojo past emperor pilaf 💀
The idea that Gojo would even be able to perceive/react to gokus fighting speed is....and interesting take and i would LOVE whatever whomever thinks that is smoking.
I think the most interesting thing about these two meeting is just imagining Gojo's reaction to someone like Goku.
A non-curse energy "human" who is overwhelmingly stronger than he is, I think Gojo would actually be ecstatic to meet someone like Goku to an absolutely wholesome extent....
Who isn't like Toji.
Yeah, Toji's murderous attitude spoils it.
How many punches can goku land before Gojo's heart beats even once? I'd love to see someone calculate a number
It all depends on Goku's character and how hard he is trying.
Depends, how many punches can Goku throw in 0.8 seconds?
@@RandomSkull420 probably infinite
@@RandomSkull420 I could throw one or a trillion, it all depends on how Goku feels at that moment.
if he could bypass infinity kkkkkkk
"You're really strong, you made me use all of my power"
- Yamcha
I was looking for a video to edge to, much appreciated 🙏
Aye man let's work to be better!
We must be better men. 😔
At 9:40, the reason gojo's purple hit himself could just be that the infinity didn't recognize it as an attack or harmful since it's made of his own CE.
Purple would break through infinity anyway because it's an imaginary number.
@@instrumentalist1294its virtual not imaginary
“Stand proud gojo, you are strong.”
- Farmer with a shotgun
"Please, Base Cabba I NEED THIS!"
-Gojo
Another reason Limitless simply doesn't work is because Goku crossed the dragon ball hell (which is said to be infinite in size) in a finite amount of time so he would straight up just punch Gojo.
Wow you still made this video unique and interesting somehow
Great explanation! I think another point for Goku is instant transmission. Even if the space between them was infinite since Goku moves through another dimension and exits instantaneously at his destination he could still get close enough to Gojo to deal damage.
His hands won't instantaneously touch Gojo though, he'll only be able to move to him and any attack registered as a threat from then on will not be able to land unless he pulls a bs feat as usual
@@l-playz6945 Why shouldn't he be able to instantly touch him? He moves through a different universe and just emerges right with his fingers around his neck for example. If the distance is 0 Gojos power doesn't work. Even if Goku couldn't assert any force with his fingers Goku could just scorch him from there by releasing ki and creating massive heat. Maybe he could even put part of his body right inside of Gojo killing him instantly (tough Goku never used that, maybe that would hurt him too).
@@Deku_231 Or he teleports Gojo into space
"Stand proud gojo, you've died twice"
The big problem with most of the arguments in Gojo's favor is that raw strength in Dragon ball just tends to straight up neg hax. Goku literally showed in the fights with hit that he can straight up bypass extra-dimensional concepts like time and pretty much just force himself into the future or destroy Hit's time barriers just by powering up enough.
Even if Gojo's infinity barrier didn't just get nuked by Goku punching himself with incalculable force and in zero time via dragon ball bullshit, Goku could reasonably just power up so much that Gojo's infinity just stops affecting him entirely.
We've seen it happen so often in dragon ball that it's more likely to happen that way than not. Good example being Buu, who showed that he could consistently just regen from attacks and didn't even feel pain or discomfort from physical blows, but the moment he got put up against someone significantly stronger than him, his regen got slowed down significantly and physical blows were able to deal visible damage to his body. That's just one of many examples
In all reality, a fight between Goku and Gojo would involve Goku instantly blitzing him and breaking through his infinity, then somehow negging Gojo's unlimited void by powering up enough to just smash through the barrier on the spot. Even the sure-hit unlimited information would probably just get negged in a similar fashion, with Goku somehow having some kind of passive barrier that slows down the information transfer enough that it can't overwhelm him.
For some people (namely jjk fans) that might seem like I'm just pulling it out of my ass, but in dragon ball, raw strength consistently beats hax with like, zero explanation other than just "he's stronger teehee".
assuming Ki enchance your physical prowess, both inside and outside, then i dont see how goku cannot tank infinite information long enough to stop gojo from doing it.
i mean, isnt that the reason why goku condition getting worsen when fighting android 20? transforming to ssj make his heart beat more faster thus making the virus spread much faster. implying that the stronger your form the better your physical prowess become.
Oh yeah, we even have much recent example for that. First is when gohan fighting one of the trio wolf where he got hit with poison, if i remember correctly goku said its dangerous for gohan to stay in ssj cuz its help spread the poison faster. another much much more recent example is during super hero movie where piccolo(or gohan i forgor) said that gohan eye sight is scale to his power. the stronger he became the better his eye sight become.
so, assuming the physical capability of them have the same scalling as their power level in general than Goku brain would be infinitely much more durable than a normal human.
@@rifarira9160 A fair point. Plus in namek Saga Goku straight up reads Krillin's mind of all of the events since they last saw each other within the span of like a second and is completely fine. So it stands to reason that Goku should be able to process massive amounts of information far quicker and with far less risk of overload. If he's held there indefinitely, he'll EVENTUALLY start to suffer for it, but I think an in character Goku is gonna be smart enough to realize the danger and break through Gojo's domain the instant the sure hit begins.
Ppt
So basically you're saying that goku is strong because he is strong ah yes 😂
@@-S4T*Goku win because he's stronger*
Normal people: A A A A A A A A
Goku: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
INTO THE DISTANCE! FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT NO WAY WE'LL GIVE IN!
Also goku has recently advanced his ultra instinct to the point that he can use it with his other forms. So he doesn’t even need to be in mui if u didn't know infinite void dont got shi on goku lo
"Infinite Void could fry Goku's brain"
He never had much of one to begin with and even if it did fry his brain that'd probably inadvertently activate mastered ultra instinct, maybe even a stronger version of it since he has even less braincells to work with.
I think the fastest/easiest way for Goku to beat Gojo would be for Goku to use instant transmission onto Gojo and punch him in the head. GG, Gojo defeated in less then 0.1s.
But yeah overall this debate is pretty silly.
The idea of the perception-blitz is a topic that has meat to me, but ultimately a lot of these debates boil down to fanboys throwing their faves at each other without really engaging with the mechanics of any abilities
"Stand proud Satarou Gojo, you were in the conversation".
Bro, if someone's whole basis for an argument is one technique/skill, chances are, they should not be arguing.
I still dont understand how goku bypasses infinity like with which technique cuz all the bros in the comment said was that goku is strong and shit but not an actual technique or at least an attack that nullifies any defensive power, like the soul splitting sword that cut through infinity or the plot armor technique which sukuna haven't used since the heian era
@@-S4TUniverse is infinite (atleast in DBVerse), and one of DB villain, Super Buu, able to tear it apart just by screaming. Goku right now is infinitely more stronger than Super Buu, which mean he can easily over power infinity barrier and destroy it with simple raw punch to the face no need for fancy technique. Even if he cant destroy infinte barrier, Goku can just punch the dimension space around Gojo and break it, which will affect Gojo just like how Sukuna dimension slash affect gojo.
another example of Goku interacting with infinite concept is Goku shaking the infinite void with just powering up. If goku powering up shake the infinte void, which shouldnt be able to be shaken to begin with, then infinite barrier is an easy piece.
@@-S4T I'm gonna say this as simply as possible. No disrespect, but Gojo isn't special. Spatial manipulation is something common in DBZ, like the other commenter said. Goku's weakest punch can easily tear through space and reality, and even if people wanted to give Gojo that benefit and say he couldn't Goku would just learn how, he has way higher battle I.Q, learning capabilities and overall abilities than Sukuna, would not take Goku long.
@@-S4T Also goku has recently advanced his ultra instinct to the point that he can use it with his other forms. So he doesn’t even need to be in mui to attack gojo within infinite void. Even his base form will be a serious threat.
@natereacts312 gojo has infinity on all the time but ik goku slams, you still did not answer my question 😐
Real talk, the energy blasts of dragonball should be splitting atoms and releasing nuclear explosions
You made a great video by saying goku wins glad you made this good video man i think ill subcribe now
I'd argue that if Goku is in a "powered up state" the barrier for the Infinity Void would not be able to close since the amount of ki goku releases is just too much, the barriers for the domains have greater durability from the inside but that doesn't mean it's indestructible and I don't think it'd be able to confine the sheer amount of ki released during something like SS3.
But Goku won't be able to power up or move his brain will be to busy drying while Goku can only think about powering up but never doing it
@@doriankamanzi6874 In my scenario he is already in a powered up state, my point would be if he gets to a powered up state before before the domain comes into play, Gojo might end up out of options since his domain, unlike Sukuna's, uses a barrier to form. Who knows, maybe ki can pass through the barrier without an issue, I'm just pointing out some possibilities.
@@doriankamanzi6874 How would it fry gokus brain though? I don't think you realize that goku has been ftl since the start of Z. What that means, is, his brain has to be advanced enough to keep up with his body. .2 seconds of gojos domain being half a years worth of information means nothing to goku.
That actually makes it worse as infinite void loops all info you've processed in your life. Without resistance, Goku cooked here, the debate isn't on if infinite void beats if it lands@@crimson5067
This made my day. Thanks. 🤣
Given how things played out with gojo and sukuna goku shouldn’t have any trouble
sukuna had hax that could bypass infinity. If gojo just straight tries to punch that wont have the same effect as sukuna. It takes hax to bypass another hax
not in db@@pathogermic3662
@@pathogermic3662and in dragon ball, extremely high raw power is a hax on it's own.
@@anoaboadosaro its not that is just high raw power. Nothing to do with hax. Unless that raw speed of goku reaches anywhere near infinite speed he won't bypass infinity as is. Sukuna could cut the space/world around his infinity and had nothing to do with raw stats. That's why he was able to bypass it.
@@pathogermic3662 dude, they can literally destroy infinite space in dragon ball, even in dragon ball z, Buu could destroy the macrocosm, which is also inifinite. It doesn't matter, Gojo is dead. If Sukuna can cut space, than characters at the end of z Buu saga, can break it just by screaming, Buu did it. Just getting high enough ki is enough to break space itself.
Can't even say Gojo is stronger than Goku by any metric because Kid Goku was already moon+ to small-planetary by the time King Piccolo rolled around, he would lose to Jackie Chun in the 1st tournament too ..
Also goku has recently advanced his ultra instinct to the point that he can use it with his other forms. So he doesn’t even need to be in mui to attack gojo within infinite void. Even his base form will be a serious threat. Goku will still have serious brain damage after the attack but gojo will be at the airport explaining to geto how crazy goku was.
I don't even think UV affects Goku at all, Goku's combat speed is simply very great
Serious brain damage? Gojo's attacks are doing nothing to Goku at all.
@@jasontchoudjen9740 nah his domain would definitely give him brain dmg, but nothing more
unless goku can strenghten/protect his brain from direct injury using his Ki then it for sure will deal damage if goku not in UI. then again, tui seems like a technique that active whenever goku in a fight. @@jasontchoudjen9740
@@bullettime1116 goku is faster than light dude. after his sentence repeated 3 times hed know he has to activate ui to get out of it. i dont think hell get any brain damage from it. plus gojo wouldnt be able to even activate it on time cuz goku would speed blitz him in less than a second lol
Can’t believe bro had to make a vid on it but W💯
Good video, also remember that goku has access to god ki in his god forms, and we know only gods can sense beings with god ki, or beings with god ki can only sense others with god ki, gojo and the unlimited void would not be able to sense goku, therefore the affects would not register to goku. Because unlimited void cannot sense beings without cursed energy, like maki or toji, also doesn't affect inanimate objects either. So the domain would not register goku's energy and basically treat him as inanimate, so it's useless. Another point, goku can I.T on to other people, his incomplete hakai does not travel either, and turns you to dust. This isn't a fight.
Ye but gojo has shown he can sense beings that should not be able to be sense aka toji no cursed energy and yet gojo as a child sensed him and Toji was surprised on how so gojo would still be able to sense him
And for the unlimited void thing that's very debatable but remember domains don't go of the users sense it's cursed energy it's self so the domain would still sense Goku it dosent aplie by the same rules as normal beings do it's the power system it's self not to mention Goku would have to go into blue or god for that which I don't think he would do it's either ultra instinct or super sayian really
@@doriankamanzi6874 No, domains cant sense cursed energy it cant detect, and since goku doesn't have normal ki, he would go undetectable, ad gojo noticing tojis presence doesnt mean he sensed his cursed energy.
@@tiltedxfn3635 why would you say they can't sense cursed energy they can't detect as we have seen ever domain but sukunas acts on its own and if it attacks it will attack on its own regardless of what the user wants not once have we seen a domain not effect anyone they could not sense besides maki domain expasion act on there own accord and sense on there own accord they don't use the user or nowbito could do something or at least force it to attack maki
@@tiltedxfn3635 don't know how you can say they can't sense cursed energy the user can't when that has never been shown once
"Stop Debating Goku vs Gojo"
* proceeds to spend 18 minutes ranting about Goku vs Gojo *
goku gonna think infinite void is space and will hold his breath😭🙏
17:06 that part was hilarious 😂
Isnt Ki composed of Emotions as well? Like courage, determination, etc?
And doesnt Goku use the Spirit Bomb which is mostly made of Positive Emotions?
Finally isnt Cursed Energy just negative emotions?
If all of the above is true then cant Goku's technique's already interact with Cursed Energy and Gojo's limitless without crossverse equalization?
You know what ye you are right about that
While Ki can be empowered or drawn from such emotion, ki itself is still it's own life force that each individual character in db has.
Ki can be utilised without emotion but emotion can affect it's power and use. So unless it's a technique/special attack that utilises positive emotion like the spirit bomb you would need to use Verse equalisation.
The fact you just broke down shit my collage professor can’t explain clearly is insane
My take before watching this is that Gojo is definitely weaker in everything and for Goku it more comes down to if he could hit him and the unlimited void and if we assume Goku can hit Gojo then it comes down to does Goku just blits him in base or does Gojo get an unlimited void off. Forms for Goku don't matter as the base is already so strong that it's not worth mentioning
Honestly it's a dumb fun argument that lost the fun factor due to people being overly zealous about it
Edit: ok I finished watching a d yeah I agree with the stuff said, there is very little more to say as Six went into the finer details of my thoughts, though leading that UI may get around the one win condition I have Gojo is funny to me.
Domain expansions doesnt work on people with no cursed energy (disregarding sukuna)
Any character that can destroy earth and survive afterwords wins against gojo.
@@dianne8654 stop spreading misinformation, gojo's domain works against people with 0 cursed energy. it just doesnt apply the sure hit effect to people with HEAVENLY RESTRICTION. And goku doesnt have that.
@zyofroma5718
Can you prove the first part?
People with heavenly restrictions have no cursed energy, which is precisely why domains don't work on them.
@@zyofroma5718 You're actually entirely wrong. If you dont equalize the verses, goku has 0 cursed energy. The heavenly restriction users are unaffected because of the exact same thing 0 cursed energy. It's why domains dont work on inanimate objects. This is explained when Sukuna's domain is activated and it describes his as special because it doesn't create a barrier it just manifests in the normal world meaning it hits inanimate objects too
I never take “but can he beat Goku” types seriously
Its funny
What's funny is it's usually not Goku fans who do that. DB haters are just absolutely desperate to have a character that beats Goku for some reason, so they make absurd claims that DB fans then respond to.
The "but can he beat Goku" types don't actually exist outside of memes.
What's stopping Goku from teleporting inside the limitless barrier and fucking gojo with a ki blast point blank?
Nothing
fucking gojo? i didnt know gayku was freaky like that
"So... How was the strongest saiyan?"
"really friggin' strong"
“Unless you’re being extremely generous to a point I’d consider bias for Gojo, Goku would win”
Flashback to Clothespins’ ‘inaccessible speed, five dimensional’ Gojo scaling 😭
The crazy thing is that even with that crazy scale he's not beating DBS Goku
@@yeikelamores6085 💯
@@yeikelamores6085 if you lowball goku then he could but any other way? Nah not even close
That was a long time ago tho lmao
@@donkeykong9822 tbh I don’t even think he believed that nonsense, him and his community are just anti Goku from what I noticed, had to dip out from his discord server a couple years ago because it was just so toxic 😭
The funny thing is once goku hears theres a space between us he would probably just use instant transmission, goku can sense life energy and gojo is right in front of him giving off a lot of energy and instant transmission is well instant so he would just go straight through it then punch him, wouldnt even need to power up
DB characters are just ridiculously strong 😂
yep
Of course, Dragon Ball Verse is one of the strongest in Anime verse. Not the absolute strongest but one of the. I'm proud of it xD
@@gogetablue7905and one of the few which actually have good writing
@@gogetablue7905yes
It can be the strongest or one of the strongest. If we talk about fighting, it can be one of the strongest, but angels like grand peiest can solo every other anime universe. If we talk about destruction...we have Zeno that can destroy entire universes by raising his hand@gogetablue7905
Db characters: casually destroy planets
Gojo glazer: "nah he'd win"
Yamcha could probably solo most of the JJK cast 💀
They say "hollow purple solos" like that shit didnt even destroy a city
@@Hyvexx saibamen > most jjk cast yes or no? Your pick in this poll,guys. (Just making a poll.)
@@Baller_true On paper, a saibamen’s power level is close to Raditz, so 1,600. I would say that for the majority of characters, they would lose, maybe even in the same way Yamacha did. He was already fast af, but still got caught off guard.
@@Hyvexx alright so uhh you're saying saibamen would win? Alright and that's 1 vote. Thank u.
the fact that a character that is like 5 years old can even have a chance against someone who has been getting new powers and strength levels for 40+ years is still insane
He doesn’t have a chance
And to think that Dbs Goku is among the weakest versions of Goku
he doesn't have a chance
To be fair they start at very different points gojos introduction he was already the strongest while goku was only bulletproof
@@B3an01 That's true, but if we take Z as the beginning and consider DB as Goku's prequel (something like Gojo's past as a student),Goku was already the strongest in the world at that time, at least technically
this is the equivalent to who would win, a atom bomb or a baby with blue eyes
My personal thought about getting around Infinity is to use more concentrated attacks. Domain amplification produces a dense Cursed Energy shield around the user so it's enough to affect limitless. Think about it this way, if I throw like 50 pieces of wood at an iron bar, the iron is not likely to break. But if I throw a tungsten cube of the same weight, the iron would dent. So its about the potency and density of Cursed Energy crushing Infinity.
If verse equalization isnt a thing than any non jjk character has their own power along with immunity to domains
The 2 energy systems works too differently to be truly equalized, as we know that even with someone like Sukuna who has like 5x more Raw CE compared to Gojo (Yuta has like 3x more CE reserves than Gojo and Sukuna has 2x of Yuta but let's LOWBALL it) and even then, Sukuna is incapable of bypassing Gojo's hax with far higher RAW CE, which wouldn't happen to Ki users as it's been a law in DB that if your Ki is high enough you can ignore the haxes of people who have far lower Ki than you, even moreso with God Ki.
That's why we always put it on because Goku won't be able to see any if his attacks or anything
PE is always screwy. Bleach is a good example because obviously they are ghosts and can't even fight regular people. So, ofc you need to at least alter the circumstances to allow the fight to happen in the first place.
It would be interesting to have a video listing characters that can get past limitless or just no diff Gojo regardless since he keeps getting high balled all the time
I wish that they would stop putting him against other anime characters and actually put him againist the originals like marvel ,dc etc if such a “OP” character . If goku can go against super man put gojo against someone like the flash to really scale if we talking about characters who are basically untouchable.
correct me if im wrong of course, but is it not stated that if you’re strong enough, you can break out of a domain expansion?
Yes
Honestly. Infinity isn't a barrier in itself it's like a time slower, you never can reach the inside but Goku being Goku, he'll just speed through. As for the Domain Expansion. It doesn't matter wether Goku can survive in, cause Gojo dies before activating it
What Is this Soundtrack 0:10 name?
Its one of the earpy dragon ball show themes i believe
Mystical Adventure from OG Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball's First Opening
Maka fushigi adventure song by Hiroki Takahashi
One of the best anime songs
Thanks gentlemen. Cheers🍻@@lilsoonerfaninmo
Makafushugi.
I love how people forget unlimited void can only effect people with cursed energy and that it only effects normal people because it's said that everyone in jjk has cursed energy it's just too low to do anything with it or see curses. other anime's doesn't have cursed energy so unlimited void is the most useless domain in a anime vs anime fight
Which is the same argument Naruto fans have to overcome when trying to explain why Uchihas could totes for real solo DBZ characters because Tsukyomi, even though genjutsu is explicitlt explained as one person fucking with another person's perceptions by manipulating the target's chakra. DBZ doesn't have chakra networks.
And then they start going off about Kaguya and how her eyes work on everyone, but one Uchihas ain't Kaguya, and two, Otsutsukis are just Namek frieza. A bunch of natural born strong people who rely entirely on just being way stronger than anyone else. They have poor combat creativity, tend to overuse the same trick, and rely on their giant chakra pools and healing tech to carry the day. By the time an Otsutsuki realized they should maybe try their perfect infinite illusion technique, they'd be dead.
This is what happens when people believe haxes work against power levels. There are different haxes in different animes even big 3 fans still think their characters can beat goku cause of the hax. But people forget how power levels work.
Yeah,that
Gojo's biggest fear: "Hey, it's me, Goku!"
Anime fans are just tired of Goku getting W's against other anime characters for over 20 years so they just power scale anyone who can destroy a mountain to goku. They are so desperate that they begin searching light novel and web novels just to find someone that can beat Goku. These characters obviously never stand the test of time in the debate against Goku. I remember many years ago when it was sailor moon, Naruto, etc. Now it is saitama, anos, gojo. Give them time, they will come to their senses like before.
goku was never a strongest character in first place. just most popular one. its not even that hard to find character that can stomp goku. Najimi Ajimu rolfstomps goku as she has 12 quadrillion abilities. essentially god.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd Goku has never been the strongest anime character. There are way too many animes for that. He is just stronger than most of the popular anime characters placed against him. People just want their favorite characters to be stronger than him
i dont care about powerscaling. i can write character stupidly op. i cant write "Good" character.
he is badly written i dont like it. gojo is better written.@@Fact_Check12
@@QWERTY-gp8fd your last comment was about a character that can beat Goku which guess what, is power scaling and you say that you don't care about power scaling. Also, might I ask how gojo is a better written character than Goku. A stupidly OP character who has done nothing of importance in the anime and had zero character development is better written than Goku who has undergone character development over the years, saved the universe multiple times, converted villains to heroes and sacrificed himself for the greater good. We get it, gojo is your favourite character and when he lost the strength battle you went to the writing battle which he will also lose. If you like gojo fine, but don't say Goku is a badly written character.
i said that as a example that its easy to find character that defeats goku.
bro did not watch the show. gojo has gone through development from arrogant bastard to little less arrogant non bastard.
goku character development is throwing stronger punch after changing his hair color for the 1000th time.
gojo actually got "high" from fighting. very realistic if i had magic i would use it to become high.
he spouts some enlightment bullsh,it while high i liked and find it very relatable.
everytime i do lsd i spout enlightment bullsh,it whenever i throw hands against my shadow. bad trip or good trip that one particular sh,it never changes.
goku shows literally nothing aside from the narrative explanation that he loves fight. dude has lower iq than my dog.
he bet his universe with just to fight strong dudes. like thats his whole motivation to tournament of power arc. like bruh beerus, whis is there why the hell u need to seek out strong dude for.
he becomes stupid as the time goes on.
rant over.
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This video needed to be 4 seconds long. All you had to say was "Goku Solos".
Ah yes, what a well constructed argument "goku solos" i think i can not comeback from this instructive two-worded argument totally not bs and absolutely structured
@@-S4T Indeed.
@@-S4T its not bullshit, its true lol. If you read both mangas you dont need an explanation.
Goku solos.
@@elsensei666 never said it was bullshit, infact i totally agree with @Guns66's statement. Therefore i find your reply quite useless as i was not trying to be ironic assuming you thought i wanted and was sarcastic in my first comment
What kind of Gojo fanboy would've requested this fight...
The interesting question would be at what point Goku surpassed Gojo.
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Yeah, so... I take it that's the author's explanation at 4:15? When the author doesn't know the difference between convergent and divergent infinite series, there is literally no point in trying to understand the math behind his ability. I'm glad he comes right out and says that it's all made up, and you aren't supposed to understand it. There can never be any math, logic, or physics in this debate, because Gojo's ability doesn't have any behind it.
Not that it really matters. At the end of the day, a lot of Jujutsu fights are decided by cursed energy output and beating the crap out of each other. The stronger side usually wins (with exceptions for techniques and domains....sometimes).
And since there are people in Jujutsu with no cursed energy who can match the level of special grade, you can't really argue that cursed energy always beats someone without it. I'm not even sure you can argue that a domain's automatic hit effect will automatically win (again...how many times does it actually automatically win).
So now we've really just comparing cursed energy output vs ki power levels. We've got Special Grade Sorcerers and Curses, who have raw power on the city level, or perhaps continent level. Going up against Dragon Ball. Lmao. Doesn't matter if it's Gojo, Mahoraga, or anyone else with a cheat ability. They can't match that raw power.
I would like to see Mahorago fight against Goku though. The mad lad would start the fight off slow like he always does, until he figures out the trick, at which point he would continue to pace the fight just to see how far Mahoraga can go. It wouldn't matter in the end, though. Just like how Gojo's infinity isn't really infinite, Mahoraga can't really become immune to everything. He can just develop a way to attempt to counter it. Which in the case of a Kamehameha, probably means seeing into the future to dodge it. It'd be a fun fight.
I feel like Namek Goku onwards has already surpassed even Wank Gojo
@@yeikelamores6085 Namek Goku without super saiyan? Was going to doubt that, but then I looked up the power levels. And wow, that's...got to be non-linear.
I can't take 90,000 power level growing to 3,000,000 after the zenkai boost seriously. And that's before adding on Kaioken or SSJ multipliers. It's just as much nonsense as Gojo's "logical explanations" for his infinity ability. And both mangaka know it.
Ignoring the numbers, and just going off what is shown and how it feels when they use it, what Kaioken boost feels equivalent to a Black Flash?
...the more I think about it, the more I wonder why I bothered asking. How could anyone answer when Goku passed Gojo? What would Six Eyes and Infinity do against an instant transmission ki attack?
Remember in dbz if you are powerful enough you can literally do anything. Like Vegito becoming a living fighting chocolate ball, super buu breaking out from the room of spirit and time dimesion, ss3 Goteks having sentient ki blasts shaped as ghosts with their form, zamasu taking over the universe, goku mind reading krillin on namek, frieza using the force to air choke krillin and blow him up like a balloon and others, goku able to keep up with a time wizard assasin by using kaioken. Strength just overwhelms everything.
vegito go turned into a chocolate cuz of boo magic, but yeah.