Guy gets scammed on laser purchase from China
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2020
- Sharing how I almost got scammed, how another person actually got scammed trying to purchasing a CNC Fiber laser cutting machine from china.
Also including some details on my machine purchase through Alibaba direct to manufacturer, cover topics like import tariffs, duties, cargo container shipment, offloading with intermodal freight and local installation and rigging. - Навчання та стиль
Gary I'm glad you had your eyes wide open on the first deal. It amazes me everyday how hard people will work to scam someone. Glad all in all you're happy with your machine. Hope you're doing well.
Appreciate the time you took to put this together Gary!
Excellent video Gary! Glad you got your machine and is up and running!!
Can't underestimate the value of friends, great job. I enjoy watching your progress
Thanks for the tips man, you opened my mind !.
Wow! That was INCREDIBLY Educational. Thanks for taking the time to share this effort.
sure you bet!
A HUGE LIKE TO THIS VIDEO!!!! We are grateful for this content!
Well, to heck with the Laser, I want a neighbor like Barry! Nice vid, lots of details learned here.
Thanks for the overview. I'll add my 2cents. I haven't ordered anything this large or expensive, but have done a bit of sea freight from China. Here's my recommendations:
- If this is the first time purchasing, or high dollar, purchase through a website (Alibaba/paypal) that offers buyer protection, make sure any documents are captured in a chat in that website. All negotiated changes should be through that website. Alibaba makes it easy for the seller to update the purchase agreement. Make sure the purchase document states where the product will be delivered to (port).
- Shipping, the method, who pays, etc should be stated in the agreement. Generally avoid "Ex-works" that means you are on the hook to get it from the manufacturer to the port in China. I always try to at least get FOB to the nearest port from the manufacturer.
- Sea Freight - Freight forwarder/brokers - This may sound like an advertisement but generally I found most freight forwarders to be "death by a 1000s cuts" middle men, there's a charge for this document, some other random document, a dock fee, customs fees etc, the fees never end and your once reasonable quote is now inflated with a bunch of fees. I found that Kuehne + Nagel was the most transparent and easiest to deal with. Go to onlineservices.kuehne-nagel.com/, Simply enter your dimensions and weight, from port and to location (they call this the cosignee, ie the location that Gary picked up his laser) and you get an instant quote. You get one fee to pay. If you choose to have them clear customs, there is an additional flat rate fee (In Canada the fee is $150 CDN $110US). As an example to get 1 cubic meter shipped from China Guangzhou to Ottawa Canada is $280 CDN ($210US). That includes all costs, no dock fees, no document charges etc. Just pay customs clearance and any tax/duty. That includes the sea freight and then rail/truck. For me that would be sea freight from China to Vancouver, rail to Montreal, truck from Montreal to Ottawa. Then I just go to the local warehouse and pickup. You get tracking and they have a physical office in almost all cities of any size. Once they've cleared your package through customs you just go down to their office and pay the tax/duty. They then authorize release of your package, you go to the warehouse and pick it up. Done. No worrying about hidden charges.
- Packaging - All wood/pallets need to marked as being treated/fumigated. Generally I much prefer that all wood packaging is plywood. When it is plywood it does not need these markings, as the manufacturing process kills anything. So try to insist on plywood pallets/crates. Get pictures before you send final payment. If they use whole wood pallets/crates and they are not marked correctly your shipment can be denied entry.
Anyway thanks for sharing your process, and here's hoping no one else gets scammed.
"Death by 1000 Cuts" is exactly right! My lathe cost more in fees after it arrived, than I paid to have it made for me.
Fantastic video!! too short!! did you tape the actual assembling part of it?that would be very interesting!Mild winter here in Toronto Cheers!!
Good friends are hard to find, well done thanks for the tips 👍.
Glad it worked out for you! I get a kick out of them all using American names.
As a industry laser machine supplier from China, i'd like to say people get what they paid for.
My suggestion is choose a professional company, choose a long term operation business, don't always look for cheap price.
Some company may looks big, they just produce everything and what you want it may not actually from them or they just start this business.
yes You would get what they paid for!
Glad all worked out fine.
I am in comunication with prima press right now and your video just made me thinking on final decision ;-(
They are good group to work with, my machine has worked out well overall!
Friends, family: community. Its how stuff gets done.
I'm always concerned when I order direct from out of country, and mine are little potatoes!
Question: When importing such equipment, is it reasonable to import a new 20ft container and then sell the container after it arrives to recoup your money ?
There are so many scams now. Glad you got it sorted out. Gary is that Laguna branded machine yours with branding?
Hello Bill, I am a CNC 3D specialist and I am familiar with the Laguna Brand shown in the header for the Ninja Laser Header Facebook Group. I can tell you this, the Laguna Machine shown in the header is not the same as the machine Gary purchased. In China, there are many factories producing the various components needed for laser machines. Some are distributors that stock various large scale parts and components, and will "source" the overall parts to assemble a machine, and then sell to an end user....What makes Laguna stand out is that they have relationships with the best factories and custom source/develop and design their machines. As well, Laguna machines are meticulously enhanced or "upgraded" with quality parts/controllers from all over the world at their new Headquarters in Grand Prairie, TX. There's a lot of of enhancements that take place after the fact and should always be considered when buying a high quality production Fiber Laser. One thing is for sure, if you buy from Laguna, you can sleep at night knowing they will back anything they sell.
Nice vid of the delivery Gary. That laser does take a lot of real estate. What’s your shop sq footage ?
3500 sq ft total
Not bad at all and the best part is it is on your property! No one to pay rent to like I have to do for my business! 🤬
I have to say that until the end, the entire video was frightening. From the original scam, to the real machine. You really didn’t know if the machine they showed going into the shipping container was yours, or even real. Same thing for the ship it was on. You didn’t really know that either, despite the forms they sent you. Until you saw it for yourself, it was all a matter of crossed fingers and toes.
I’m relieved it all worked out, though we knew that before this video as we’ve seen it for a while now.
yes, you are right, and i thought about those things at the time. Usually scammers are too lazy to make something seem that real lol. I was not at all nervous about it because it was all under the protection of Alibaba. They have a really good reputation, just eBay and PayPal or erring on the side of the purchaser when settling any disputes.
Good day I am from Trinidad can you send me a link too a good supplier of CNC routers, plasma cutter and laser cutter I am on the market for one any assistance will be grateful I got linked up too dwin cnc and I am not too sure about them
So it seems you can pretty much do anything if you've got a buddy named Barry.
You just can't be too careful. I would have been puckered up the whole time it was being loaded and unloaded. :-) I need a sky lift.
just want to give you a little advise when you buy machine from china
there are companies that you can pay them 900 usd or less and the will check the machine before it is uploaded for shipping and they check every single piece from the electric wiring to every bolt and they ask you before what do you want them to check even they can bring metal and check the cutting quality of the machine you are getting and send you video and pics they also sign on every thing they checked and double check that it is the same machine at the day of shipping . it is easy and it is the safest for almost 900 usd you can sleep better
Aslamualikum
Are you from china?
@@ismail2871 no i import machines from china to the middle east
Are there any non Chinese companies making this sort of machines?
subscribe to my channel and watch the videos i have made, the machine i have i would recommend.
@@turbocobra May i ask what were the Total charges aside from the machine?
I just recently bought a laser from Brenda from goldcnc in jinan smh it’s stuck in customs what should I do
Did you ever get your machine from goldcnc? Having conversations with them now.
already delivery
Hey I heard you say in a video you had a FB group but couldn't remember the name, thanks
Watch it again
Hi Dear ,this brand is ok or not. I am finding CNC fiber laser machine from china also
order through eBay or credit card is safe.
I don't understand if you received a laser or not..I have see the laser in another video in your channel..I want to buy a laser from china, but I don't understand if you got scammed or not..and also, the other one is good or not?
Facebook has lot of scams
Yeah I avoid FB.