Why did Chudat just suddenly get better out of nowhere? He's been around since the beginning and is only getting older, yet he just suddenly is a threat now. Crazy. Someone explain this madness.
Jesse surprisingly enough older vets actually stand a chance against young blood in fighting games (considering they don't quit or retire) unlike other esports
Jesse He practices. Its that simple. Young people are good at smash because they practice so much. Anyone can be good at smash tho, you don't have to be 17 - 21.
If they banned wobbling, Chu wouldn't win this. Chu is a great player, don't get me wrong... I just keep thinking to myself, which fighting games allow infinites when only 1 character can do it? Its pretty fucked up when you think about it.
Katalowins That the dumbest statement ever. So because a character has "zero punishes" it means that that character needs multiple setups into an infinite which literally cannot be broken unless the player messes up? ICs are a good character even without wobbling, I dunno where tf u get this "zero punish" idea from lol. Wobbling just takes it too fucking far. Its an infinite, and it has no place in a fighting game. No fighting games have infinites apart from marvel, but in that game, more than half the cast can do them, and the damage scaling is obscene on a lot of them so doing an infinite on 30 people in a row isn't always viable or healthy for your hands.
In_Vas_Por it means they have no combo game. their grabs are their combo game, with or without wobbling. they can either win neutral game 50 times a stock, or they handoff/wobble. wobbling does nothing to skew the punish game. and if you think it is so broken, mash out or don't get wobbled. it isn't actually very hard, just a knowledge check.
Katalowins a simple "get good" argument doesn't work in this situation. Wobbling is stupid and what it allows is for a HUGE advantage for a player who would have otherwise easily lost the match. Like I said, Chu is a fantastic player, but if wobbling wasn't possible, he wouldn't have beat westballz here. IC players have been beating people without wobbling for a long time, but wobbling is just a shit crutch that makes it easier; so you can't act like removing wobbling will just all of a sudden make ICs worse than bowser or pichu. Most people know this, but then you have the IC players and fans who just don't want that crutch to ever be taken away, because they know how cheap it is and that it gets them wins. I'm not gonna go back and forth with you cause its pointless. I've been in the community for about 15 years so I know what I'm talking about. "Wobbling does nothing to skew the punish game" Rofl ok so getting grabbed at 40% then wobbled to 300% and killed doesn't skew the punish game? Got it. Lmfao Everyone gets grabbed, but when ICs get a grab, you're instantly dead. Yeah, thats fair.
In_Vas_Por that isn't much of an argument. if you want to stay relevant in melee these days you need kill setups, and ICs only have two. Wobbles and handoffs to f/d-smash. but I'm certain you know that, what with how damn elitist you are.
Sorry if I make mistakes, I'm supporting with the translator Basically I do not want to see characters that are not fun to see, because it does not contribute anything to the public that likes to see melee as a sport, I understand that probably many competitors only care to play, but if you do not get material to see on the internet the People will stop seeing it and many top players will stop giving content equally
OG Kharma yes and no. Chu is good at the game in general. Any character he used he would be good. Wobbling sucks but there is a reason why his popo is so good
if u think icies are playing at the same level as anyone playing a different character and getting the same results plz @ me. ill explain 2 u in great detail how icies are the most braindead easy character in the game even without wobbling.
This was really Chu's tournament. All the stars aligned, then the TOs and Leffen messed everything up.
Why did Chudat just suddenly get better out of nowhere? He's been around since the beginning and is only getting older, yet he just suddenly is a threat now. Crazy. Someone explain this madness.
Jesse Same goes for Hugs these 2 always adapt to the current meta
Jesse surprisingly enough older vets actually stand a chance against young blood in fighting games (considering they don't quit or retire) unlike other esports
Jesse He practices. Its that simple. Young people are good at smash because they practice so much. Anyone can be good at smash tho, you don't have to be 17 - 21.
hugs is shit, not even top 50 but ranked higher due to popularity.
He has been practicing a lot lately. Hence the tag "CARL", that is his training partner.
No red falco and green ice climbers....
Ugh Wes why didn't u just stay Falco aaaahhhh..
what the hell was with that guy who did that weird arm circle thing after every game
He was sending Chu his energy to make Top 8.
just wanna get attention and do memes...
Why is west not useing red falco?
Yayuuhzz Chu gets top 8 again, hopefully he doesn't lose to s2j right away
Verted He beat him the last time they played, but we'll see. I'm hopin
He's playing Leffen. Welp.
Damn they changed it?
Yeah they just changed it
Aight but can we talk about how good Chudat is when he uses Sopo?
Finally making that Top 8 again
Lets go!
I was cheering for westballz😑
Ethan Hernandez cheering*
max solis Thanks
2:46 RNG wobble?
Y E A Y U Z Z
I hate watching icies.
I actually dislike ICs more than Jiggly. But since it's Wes I don't mind watching a few wobbles lol.
If they banned wobbling, Chu wouldn't win this. Chu is a great player, don't get me wrong...
I just keep thinking to myself, which fighting games allow infinites when only 1 character can do it?
Its pretty fucked up when you think about it.
In_Vas_Por you mean the one character with zero punishes apart from wobbling gets to keep wobbling?
Katalowins That the dumbest statement ever. So because a character has "zero punishes" it means that that character needs multiple setups into an infinite which literally cannot be broken unless the player messes up?
ICs are a good character even without wobbling, I dunno where tf u get this "zero punish" idea from lol. Wobbling just takes it too fucking far. Its an infinite, and it has no place in a fighting game. No fighting games have infinites apart from marvel, but in that game, more than half the cast can do them, and the damage scaling is obscene on a lot of them so doing an infinite on 30 people in a row isn't always viable or healthy for your hands.
In_Vas_Por it means they have no combo game. their grabs are their combo game, with or without wobbling. they can either win neutral game 50 times a stock, or they handoff/wobble. wobbling does nothing to skew the punish game. and if you think it is so broken, mash out or don't get wobbled. it isn't actually very hard, just a knowledge check.
Katalowins a simple "get good" argument doesn't work in this situation. Wobbling is stupid and what it allows is for a HUGE advantage for a player who would have otherwise easily lost the match.
Like I said, Chu is a fantastic player, but if wobbling wasn't possible, he wouldn't have beat westballz here. IC players have been beating people without wobbling for a long time, but wobbling is just a shit crutch that makes it easier; so you can't act like removing wobbling will just all of a sudden make ICs worse than bowser or pichu.
Most people know this, but then you have the IC players and fans who just don't want that crutch to ever be taken away, because they know how cheap it is and that it gets them wins. I'm not gonna go back and forth with you cause its pointless. I've been in the community for about 15 years so I know what I'm talking about.
"Wobbling does nothing to skew the punish game" Rofl ok so getting grabbed at 40% then wobbled to 300% and killed doesn't skew the punish game? Got it. Lmfao
Everyone gets grabbed, but when ICs get a grab, you're instantly dead. Yeah, thats fair.
In_Vas_Por that isn't much of an argument. if you want to stay relevant in melee these days you need kill setups, and ICs only have two. Wobbles and handoffs to f/d-smash. but I'm certain you know that, what with how damn elitist you are.
yeyeuzz
Ice climber are pretty cool.
I dont rlly liked that set, ice's are to meh!
Assu Asu I know it's just so boring, I don't even like wes but honestly watching any character other than icies play is better
Sorry if I make mistakes, I'm supporting with the translator
Basically I do not want to see characters that are not fun to see, because it does not contribute anything to the public that likes to see melee as a sport, I understand that probably many competitors only care to play, but if you do not get material to see on the internet the People will stop seeing it and many top players will stop giving content equally
One trick pony
OG Kharma thats a dumb comment
Bond R how is that a dumb comment, all he does is wobble to win "1 button "
OG Kharma yes and no. Chu is good at the game in general. Any character he used he would be good. Wobbling sucks but there is a reason why his popo is so good
if u think icies are playing at the same level as anyone playing a different character and getting the same results plz @ me.
ill explain 2 u in great detail how icies are the most braindead easy character in the game even without wobbling.
Nigga if you think it's easy fuckin beat westballz with em