I honestly feel bad for HBox. Imagine winning a hype af tournament, only to find that nobody in the crowd is happy for you, and is instead mad at you for beating your opponent. He had to sit through twenty minutes of children cussing him out, whilst screaming the name of his opponent every time he got KO'd.
Because people doesn't like that one character/player that makes top level Melee look like Smash 4, myself included, although I do not hate Hbox by any means, I just hate the character that is Jigglypuff. Kind of sucks out the fun of watching Melee. I get that some people find it extremely hype, and I don't fault them for that. I just find it boring as hell and usually skip Hbox sets entirely these days. Again, nothing against Hbox, but its just not entertaining to watch.
There are some people that like entertainment and flashy and then there are some people that like winning and pure competition. Flashy and the "exciting" part of melee is just surface level IMO. I find this set very entertaining just because of the underlying reading/counter fights going on. But most people just wanna see the no-depth surface level flashy momentum playing. And probs to hbox, honestly while watching this set I was thinking damn puff is just so bad compared to fox, and I thought that amongst other clear reasons because hbox wasn't using its biggest strength, which is ledge camping and he still won! He played mangos game against fox! He didn't even play his own usual game and still fucking won. Listen mango may be hype sometime and also win in an amazing ways but he's not about winning. Mango is all about emotional momentum that's why his fan base is so big cause who doesn't like that emotional spike you get from this. But this separates people some play it to win and for the competition and some play it for the emotions. And those people watching/playing for emotions cannot appreciate hboxs style because he's about winning. Hbox has all the social power and confidence stand against him, like obviously mango is more popular and hbox is even hated by a lot of people. Just ask yourself if you could play your best if half the people hate you and most cheer for your opponent, but hbox doesn't give a shit about it and still wins. Not many people would have that willpower and phycological strength to do that and yet mangos ass gets more respect than hbox.( I don't hate mango btw, I understand and respect what he is about) People are fucking stupid honestly. If mango was in that position he wouldn't do shit. He would cry and go home. The people that talk the loudest are rarely the ones that win the most just remember that. The quiet ones focused on their game are the ones that win and succeed.
that's so funny because when hbox isn't ledgecamping constantly in a game i find his sets to be just as hype. Sure some of them can be very long and drawn out but i'm always anticipating a rest and hbox's combos are filthy
@@bonzokop1233 oh my bad dog I didn't mean at smash Bros melee. H box is really good at melee he may play the most boring and least skilled way possible but hey at least he wins right?
Drinking Game: Take a drink every time the Mang0 fuccbois in the first row say Mang0. Take a long drink when they do a slow mAAAAAAngOOOOOOOOOO chant. Finish your drink at 16:35 when one of them disrespectfully shouts fuck you at Hbox for simply beating Mang0 and winning the tournament. Done with the video? Good. You're dead now.
Not surprising. Most of the people in the crowd are broke college kids who have nothing to lose and can only go to Shine because they're all too broke to afford to go to any other Smash tournament. I doubt most of these kids are actual Mango fans and only wanted Mango to win for the hype.
Even though I usually hate it when Hbox wins, I couldn't be mad at this. Mango was honestly cooking him right when he switched to Fox. I haven't seen Mango play this crazy in a while. Props to Hbox to keeping it together though. Not many people can do it when Mango's playing like that. Wish we would have gotten a reset but great set nevertheless
Mang0: is a generally unreliable player, and has been for literal years Mang0 fans: we literally cannot understand how he has ever lost and it is clearly not his fault
+Andrew Ricklefs damn this guy pulled out a catch 22 on us now I'm stumped. Oh nah hold on, whether he's right or not doesn't change the truth of OP's comment, or the contents of Andrew's salt shaker. lol
Ardian Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word fan. A football fan can enjoy, or even love, watching Barcelona or Real Madrid play, doesn't mean you a fan of that team specifically.
Ainsley Yes it does. No matter how much you try to twist the definition, being a FAN of watching someone play is being a fan of them. If he said "I'm not a fan of Mango as a person" then I'd understand.
Jesus Christ. I love Mang0 so much but the childlike idea of Mang0 being the main character has become a reality with most of the fanbase. Like seriously, how fucking hard is it to appreciate a good match? It can never feel like a victory to beat Mang0. Ever.
how are people not appreciating a good match? they're slow clapping at the end. lmao, if this was 6 years ago, there wouldn't be any of these fuckers clapping because they were all in high school
Jacques L that's the problem. They are golf claps. Any other player would get chants and cheers and some "Woooooo." The croud went nuts for mang0 after each game.
What do you want happen to it? These broke college kids aren't going to fake hype and these players are already given the respect they deserve. It's pretty obvious if Hbox or Armada wins a tournament, people aren't going to be as hyped. Sorry, but it's just how life works. This topic has been talked about for years, and people aren't going to make a conscious effort to change.
Jacques L why do you keep saying broke. Clapping and cheering is free. Armada gets more cheers btw. He's the best in the world so he's not getting underdog hype.
I'm glad to see that there aren't any hate comments towards Hbox on this set, Twitch chat was terrible no offense to Mango but most of his fans are fucking children (in the metaphorical sense)
Besides record this year. And did you see game 3 and 4. Go to like 8 minutes where he literally danced on Hbox. That is why I don't watch other smash games. No one cares about being cool except Norwalk. Everyone else tries hard and plays safe. Which is why Mang0 will always have the fans over Hbox
That side B SD while still in invincibility just broke my hart lol. I really wanted to see another Fox vs Puff set. How long has it been since Mang0 style in a GF like that. His fox really look crisp until the SD. Unfortunately Styling and then SDing the set away is also `the Mang0`.
That Falco against Hbox wasn't looking too bad. Feels like the real issue is that Mang0 never seemed to have labbed out Falco Puff. It definitely felt like he knows Falco's best kill moves, but doesn't understand the best neutral decisions. It's clear that there's blueprints that he can beat Hbox with Falco, but grinding up the match up certainly is a must if he wants any chance of doing so.
BlackDeathBlade We will probably not see that anytime soon though I'd say. After that showing of his fresh Fox without warm-up there is no reason to play Falco vs Puff.
I honestly think it was more of a fan thing. Not only the hype but a "it's possible if you convert" hope for other falco mains. Respect to him and hopefully PP makes a comeback soon. His play style is much needed in the scene.
Exactly, Mango was testing out Falco to prove to other Falco's who just lazily switch to Fox because it's easier that this match up is possible for Falco, and they need to pick up the slack. Westballz is one of these people.
+SuperSajayin2Gohan I don't understand your point of view. He looked very hot vs a HBOX who was not at all expecting or practicing with Fox in mind, and floored him the first set. Hbox reacted, worked to slow the map down, and adjusted to the Fox play. Notice HBox towards the last two matches (that he won) added in more neutral airs and less ground game that went well against Falco. I don't think it really proved anything about how Fox was that much better than Falco here. Are you certain he is just "wow, he should always play Fox vs Puff", based on such a set of circumstances? If he masters the Falco play, he might actually be better off.
I enjoyed this. Mang0 can be an unreliable player but he and Hbox are fun to watch even if you hate one. Would've liked to see M2K come through that set with Jonny. Not because Jonny didn't earn it but because M2K probably would've had more steam against Mang0, making final 3 more interesting
Good set by both players. As a huge Mang0 fan, I can see where Mang0Nations fans are coming from. I wouldn't hand Hbox the #2 spot for the year based off the results of this tournament. Mang0 tried Falco in Winners finals and the first two games of grands, a matchup that he doesn't have much experience in, and his Fox has been dominating Hbox for most of the year (minus that SD, it might have won him at least one set here). That being said, Mang0 fans can be a little ridiculous in saying that Hbox was handed this win. Mang0's Falco is by no means an easy character to beat, so big props to Hbox for dominating it so easily and clutching out that win in the end against Fox. This win definitely builds on Hbox's argument for the #2 spot, but I don't think you can look at it and say "well, he won so he's number #2" without taking all the factors into account. I think the Number #2 spot will ultimately come down to how they preform at Big House. It's pretty neck and neck right now.
Waiting for Rizy Dry. I gotta wonder who this guy is though. He's always on every video typing in all caps his very closed-minded opinions. Also his subscriptions are...strange...
Emre P hmm I don't think so. As much as I love m2k Mango has had a far more impressive tournament wins where armada was involved (Royal Flush) also another good tournament super smash con. Ceo Dreamland just doesn't level up to either of those two tournaments. Mango is also pretty consistent this year mostly getting top 5 ish placings on big tournaments. Usually hitting 2nd or 3rd. I think.
i woudn say this year was realy avarage. Mangos best placing this year was evo 2nd place. He is 1/3 against chudat wich drags him down alot and he pretty much isnt consisten this year while m2k is at his peak this year winning some tournaments and having all around good placings at majors and also he has good placing as doubles matches. If you keep that in mind and then take the las years in to according then i woud say that mango and m2k shares 3th place with mango being only a little higher because m2k has problems vs mango and mostly loses that matchup
what are you saying? Mango's best placing is Royal Flush, while evo has a lot of prestige it really isn't the best melee event anymore. Genesis is becoming the bigger smash tournament in general and mango also placed 2nd while m2k placed 3rd. Also Mango has won Royal Flush which is an impressive tournament having pretty much all top 6 in that tournament and mango beating armada both sets in grand finals. I do agree his record against chudat is looking bad, but he proved that he can easily handle chudat in this tournament as well as Axe. Mango had high peaks/more tournament wins, had almost as consistent placing as m2k, wins head to head against m2k, and has better set counts against the top 5. Mango clearly defines to be better than m2k right now. If m2k wants to prove that he is better he needs to win a big major tournament before this year ends.
I think people appeal to mang0 because his cocky nature is fun and competitive. I like all smashers but leffen to be honest even though leffen is damn good.
MAN my heart fucking dropped after that Mang0 SD on game 4. Guy was playing on fire, I feel like he definitively could've taken it right there had he not fucked that up. That said, I'm always happy to see my boy HBox take another tourney. RIP in peace headphones :P
I actually like the Falco pick here, the bird was warmed up and switching from Falco to fox can throw hbox off plus mangos good enough that he can switch between spacies mid set like that insane game 3 showed lol
Omg, Mango looked unstoppable in game 3. I would've prefered it if he had got the bracket reset because the set was so good, though I'm happy that hbox won
Because they're newbs. Instead of getting good, they cry and get salty like little bitches. A Mango fanboy threw a crab at Hungrybox for winning Pound 2019. That's how pathetic these newbs are.
Tbh I don't know why Mang0 didn't went Fox from the start, I thought he had gotten enough data from the WF set. Imo he should have gone Fox in WF so that if he won he could go Falco set 1 of GF. Anyways good stuff to Hbox, proving why he's definitely Top 3 this year.
I think it is better that Mang0 lost the set due to playing Falco. He now has more knowledge on the MU which can help him against Hbox in the future. Mang0 clearly wasn't playing for the win until game 3, and definitely didn't intend on beating Hbox in their first set.
Why does the crowd hate HBox? He wins and it was quiet. You heard a little bit of "Awww." Like they were disappointed and there were people with hands on their heads, and over their mouths. It's so sad to me that Hbox plays his ass off and he doesn't get any cheers. He literally got golf claps after the silence.
Fantastic set, both played really well i think. Hope Mango considers Falco a counter pick in some scenarios to keep Hbox on his toes, given its the first time in a long time he used Falco he did fairly well and should have a lot to go off for nexxt time.
I love how you can tell who wins just based on the dislike ratio
SoundSmith upload melee content
Yup that sums up our community
SoundSmith make melee videos
lol soundsmith would be the tf2 youtuber to be an hbox fan
what why are you here
I honestly feel bad for HBox. Imagine winning a hype af tournament, only to find that nobody in the crowd is happy for you, and is instead mad at you for beating your opponent. He had to sit through twenty minutes of children cussing him out, whilst screaming the name of his opponent every time he got KO'd.
@Random commenter, pissed for no reason he doesnt make a lot of money.
Blackstar1701 he still made the most money out of smash though Armada being second Mew2King 3rd and MKLeo 4th
I don't get why people hate it when Hungrybox wins. I understand that ledgecamping is boring, but he didn't ledgecamp and he beat mang0 at his best.
Because the only acceptable way to play melee is laser spam up grab up air.
Yes... thats why he played falco even though he didnt even need to.
Because people doesn't like that one character/player that makes top level Melee look like Smash 4, myself included, although I do not hate Hbox by any means, I just hate the character that is Jigglypuff. Kind of sucks out the fun of watching Melee. I get that some people find it extremely hype, and I don't fault them for that. I just find it boring as hell and usually skip Hbox sets entirely these days.
Again, nothing against Hbox, but its just not entertaining to watch.
There are some people that like entertainment and flashy and then there are some people that like winning and pure competition. Flashy and the "exciting" part of melee is just surface level IMO. I find this set very entertaining just because of the underlying reading/counter fights going on. But most people just wanna see the no-depth surface level flashy momentum playing. And probs to hbox, honestly while watching this set I was thinking damn puff is just so bad compared to fox, and I thought that amongst other clear reasons because hbox wasn't using its biggest strength, which is ledge camping and he still won! He played mangos game against fox! He didn't even play his own usual game and still fucking won. Listen mango may be hype sometime and also win in an amazing ways but he's not about winning. Mango is all about emotional momentum that's why his fan base is so big cause who doesn't like that emotional spike you get from this. But this separates people some play it to win and for the competition and some play it for the emotions. And those people watching/playing for emotions cannot appreciate hboxs style because he's about winning. Hbox has all the social power and confidence stand against him, like obviously mango is more popular and hbox is even hated by a lot of people. Just ask yourself if you could play your best if half the people hate you and most cheer for your opponent, but hbox doesn't give a shit about it and still wins. Not many people would have that willpower and phycological strength to do that and yet mangos ass gets more respect than hbox.( I don't hate mango btw, I understand and respect what he is about) People are fucking stupid honestly. If mango was in that position he wouldn't do shit. He would cry and go home. The people that talk the loudest are rarely the ones that win the most just remember that. The quiet ones focused on their game are the ones that win and succeed.
that's so funny because when hbox isn't ledgecamping constantly in a game i find his sets to be just as hype. Sure some of them can be very long and drawn out but i'm always anticipating a rest and hbox's combos are filthy
people think hbox's popoffs are cringe but what was that guy chanting mango after hbox won LOL
Its because hbox sucks
@@davedave-ei9ip Did you not watch the video?
dave345 dave5678 then why is he the number 1 ranked player?
@@davedave-ei9ip damn so mango was really bad here cus he lost, feelsbadman
@@bonzokop1233 oh my bad dog I didn't mean at smash Bros melee. H box is really good at melee he may play the most boring and least skilled way possible but hey at least he wins right?
Drinking Game: Take a drink every time the Mang0 fuccbois in the first row say Mang0. Take a long drink when they do a slow mAAAAAAngOOOOOOOOOO chant. Finish your drink at 16:35 when one of them disrespectfully shouts fuck you at Hbox for simply beating Mang0 and winning the tournament. Done with the video? Good. You're dead now.
Not surprising. Most of the people in the crowd are broke college kids who have nothing to lose and can only go to Shine because they're all too broke to afford to go to any other Smash tournament. I doubt most of these kids are actual Mango fans and only wanted Mango to win for the hype.
Ikati, you're dumb. its pretty obvious they're just bandwagoning for the hype
August Celine III Wendy
Spoiler alert: One of these players win
Spoiler alert: Mew2King wins
You can pretty much tell who wins by the length of the video
Ace Phoenix The Hbox interview in my subscriptions spoiled it...
Ace Phoenix Are you fucking kidding me dude? How could you spoil the most important part.
hylalp LF stands for losers finals
What's worse? Getting yeayuhzed or hboxed popped off on
Hookemhorns48 having to experience both becuase they entered doubles together
Hookemhorns48
I'd much rather get yeayuhzed because at least chudats a likeable guy
Hookemhorns48 hbox, always hbox
The best part of that popoff was the super intense stare he gave Mang0
Jack How is Hbox not likable? I get not liking his play style, but he's a wonderful person irl. Just watch the post-GF interview this tournament.
I'm such a closet mango fan. Just cause of all his cringy ass fanboys are lowkey embarrassing af lmao
I know right. Am I a bad person for enjoying the deflated look of the whole crowd after he lost???
lol i was wondering if anyone was gunna bring up the mango bros back there. popping off before the set finished at least twice lol.
sure, the saiyan legend, the mango fans are the cringy ones, when you feel the need to be a "closet" fan lmao
fr fr lowkey embarro af. hbox was on fleek tho no lie.
You don't really have to be a closet fanboy just cause we have the bad example of the fan base on screen.
Good set by the both of them. It is good to see close sets even if Mango lost.
Even though I usually hate it when Hbox wins, I couldn't be mad at this. Mango was honestly cooking him right when he switched to Fox. I haven't seen Mango play this crazy in a while. Props to Hbox to keeping it together though. Not many people can do it when Mango's playing like that. Wish we would have gotten a reset but great set nevertheless
why cant people be happy for h box damn this man works hard for what he does
Jay daze Especially being the only Jigglypuff lol. Like, Jigglypuff is SUPER LIGHT!
Darrell Bell it like since he wins he now hated like why he put in so much work
"works hard" imao
Birdsinflames :] 8-16 hours isn't hard work I guess
@@shady8045 why dont u win at evo? Cuz ur dogwater homie ur free like mangos iq and money🤷♂️
Mang0: is a generally unreliable player, and has been for literal years
Mang0 fans: we literally cannot understand how he has ever lost and it is clearly not his fault
Is that literally the literal truth? Lol it was mangos fault he lost, gave this one away
It was literally mango's literal fault that he literally lost
Octavio Gonzalez im literally so glad you understand thank you
Lol in all seriousness though its too bad he SD'd. A reset would have been dope
William Grace Unreliable as a god? Yes. As a player? Hes one of the most reliable in literal existence. 😇
Mang0 fanboys need to simmer down
No, people complaining about Mang0 fanboys need to simmer down
+Andrew Ricklefs damn this guy pulled out a catch 22 on us now I'm stumped. Oh nah hold on, whether he's right or not doesn't change the truth of OP's comment, or the contents of Andrew's salt shaker. lol
Lint Wow, you insulted someone who you construed as a mango fanboy, do you feel proud of yourself?
Andrew Ricklefs ye
Andrew Ricklefs most obviously self-liked comment of 2017?
28 likes and no dislikes? Looking good so far for an Hbox set.
9:57 that dude is fighting a ghost
Not a Mango fan at all, but love seeing the Falco. Wish he would solo main Falco.
Brian Weng
He basically does at this point accept for puff and peach
Brin Weng How are you not a fan of somebody even though you "love" watching them play? What?
maybe he respects the player not the person. lol
Ardian Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word fan. A football fan can enjoy, or even love, watching Barcelona or Real Madrid play, doesn't mean you a fan of that team specifically.
Ainsley Yes it does. No matter how much you try to twist the definition, being a FAN of watching someone play is being a fan of them. If he said "I'm not a fan of Mango as a person" then I'd understand.
nice job hbox, was there ever a slump?
Love both players , didn’t care who would win, just in it to see them go at it,.
Didn’t disappoint 🤘🏼
Jesus Christ. I love Mang0 so much but the childlike idea of Mang0 being the main character has become a reality with most of the fanbase. Like seriously, how fucking hard is it to appreciate a good match? It can never feel like a victory to beat Mang0. Ever.
Miles Edgeworth script
how are people not appreciating a good match? they're slow clapping at the end. lmao, if this was 6 years ago, there wouldn't be any of these fuckers clapping because they were all in high school
Jacques L that's the problem. They are golf claps. Any other player would get chants and cheers and some "Woooooo." The croud went nuts for mang0 after each game.
What do you want happen to it? These broke college kids aren't going to fake hype and these players are already given the respect they deserve. It's pretty obvious if Hbox or Armada wins a tournament, people aren't going to be as hyped. Sorry, but it's just how life works. This topic has been talked about for years, and people aren't going to make a conscious effort to change.
Jacques L why do you keep saying broke. Clapping and cheering is free. Armada gets more cheers btw. He's the best in the world so he's not getting underdog hype.
I'm glad to see that there aren't any hate comments towards Hbox on this set, Twitch chat was terrible no offense to Mango but most of his fans are fucking children (in the metaphorical sense)
hbox bad
Melee fans are children. Comments were much worse regarding M2K and Leffen. I still love Melee and the scene, overall though.
Hbox top 3 player undisputedly, arguably top 2
ez #2, mango got nothing on him the past 2 years
Besides record this year. And did you see game 3 and 4. Go to like 8 minutes where he literally danced on Hbox. That is why I don't watch other smash games. No one cares about being cool except Norwalk. Everyone else tries hard and plays safe. Which is why Mang0 will always have the fans over Hbox
RIP hungrybox's headphones 16:31
lol so true
jGohan yeah. He barely beat mang0, but he just destroyed the head phones
Fanboys spotted.
Sick downthrow by Hbox.
to be so composed on such a crucial change in pace. Hbox you da man
He is my favourite Mario Kart streamer why is he playing this game?
the greatest rivalry in all of video game history
I'm a simple man. I see Hbox, I click, I watch.
How are they playing on 2 tv sets?
i just have to respect the HBOX, hes one of the few elite melee players that wins with a character that isnt top tier... hes just is a god at jiggs.
I know we're all sick of fox vs hbox GFs but this is low key some of the best melee ever
Not even an Hbox fan, but I couldn't help but root for him because the Mang0 fanbase is the worst fanbase in the entire communtiy.
Because they are super fucking annoying. They cry "DAED GAME" whenever mango loses or gets upset, and then they talk shit when he wins.
The mango fanbase is the most disgraceful and disrespectful group of people. One of mango fanboys threw a crab at Hungrybox for winning Pound 2019.
what happen with armada ? is retired?
Jonycrist lives far away
HUNGRYBOXXXX
That side B SD while still in invincibility just broke my hart lol. I really wanted to see another Fox vs Puff set. How long has it been since Mang0 style in a GF like that. His fox really look crisp until the SD. Unfortunately Styling and then SDing the set away is also `the Mang0`.
Why does hungrybox get booed?
Why use the bird when Fox just has the better matchup? Did he have a reason outside curiosity for this tourney?
Watching old sets and thank god I found 8:12
So who gets seeded higher the next event Mang0 and Hbox compete at?
That Falco against Hbox wasn't looking too bad. Feels like the real issue is that Mang0 never seemed to have labbed out Falco Puff. It definitely felt like he knows Falco's best kill moves, but doesn't understand the best neutral decisions. It's clear that there's blueprints that he can beat Hbox with Falco, but grinding up the match up certainly is a must if he wants any chance of doing so.
BlackDeathBlade We will probably not see that anytime soon though I'd say. After that showing of his fresh Fox without warm-up there is no reason to play Falco vs Puff.
I honestly think it was more of a fan thing. Not only the hype but a "it's possible if you convert" hope for other falco mains. Respect to him and hopefully PP makes a comeback soon. His play style is much needed in the scene.
Exactly, Mango was testing out Falco to prove to other Falco's who just lazily switch to Fox because it's easier that this match up is possible for Falco, and they need to pick up the slack. Westballz is one of these people.
We need DSW and PPMD to hurry up and get really good again, show these modern Falco kids how to actually play floatie MUs
+SuperSajayin2Gohan
I don't understand your point of view. He looked very hot vs a HBOX who was not at all expecting or practicing with Fox in mind, and floored him the first set. Hbox reacted, worked to slow the map down, and adjusted to the Fox play. Notice HBox towards the last two matches (that he won) added in more neutral airs and less ground game that went well against Falco. I don't think it really proved anything about how Fox was that much better than Falco here.
Are you certain he is just "wow, he should always play Fox vs Puff", based on such a set of circumstances? If he masters the Falco play, he might actually be better off.
How many times is hbox gonna meteor smash his controller is he gonna ever break one doing so?
Wait he meteor spiked his headphones lmao
he dropped the controller, but he fucked his headset up.
Good shit to both! This is some good melee
Do they like each other?
I enjoyed this. Mang0 can be an unreliable player but he and Hbox are fun to watch even if you hate one. Would've liked to see M2K come through that set with Jonny. Not because Jonny didn't earn it but because M2K probably would've had more steam against Mang0, making final 3 more interesting
2:30 my guuuuuy
Good set by both players. As a huge Mang0 fan, I can see where Mang0Nations fans are coming from. I wouldn't hand Hbox the #2 spot for the year based off the results of this tournament. Mang0 tried Falco in Winners finals and the first two games of grands, a matchup that he doesn't have much experience in, and his Fox has been dominating Hbox for most of the year (minus that SD, it might have won him at least one set here).
That being said, Mang0 fans can be a little ridiculous in saying that Hbox was handed this win. Mang0's Falco is by no means an easy character to beat, so big props to Hbox for dominating it so easily and clutching out that win in the end against Fox. This win definitely builds on Hbox's argument for the #2 spot, but I don't think you can look at it and say "well, he won so he's number #2" without taking all the factors into account. I think the Number #2 spot will ultimately come down to how they preform at Big House. It's pretty neck and neck right now.
No wonder such a reasonable comment here has no upvotes.
Waiting for Rizy Dry. I gotta wonder who this guy is though. He's always on every video typing in all caps his very closed-minded opinions.
Also his subscriptions are...strange...
ye this makes Hbox nr 2 right and m2k and mango are on a tie when it comes to nr 3 spot in leaderboards
Emre P hmm I don't think so. As much as I love m2k Mango has had a far more impressive tournament wins where armada was involved (Royal Flush) also another good tournament super smash con. Ceo Dreamland just doesn't level up to either of those two tournaments. Mango is also pretty consistent this year mostly getting top 5 ish placings on big tournaments. Usually hitting 2nd or 3rd. I think.
Mang0 is way above M2K right now.
i woudn say this year was realy avarage. Mangos best placing this year was evo 2nd place. He is 1/3 against chudat wich drags him down alot and he pretty much isnt consisten this year while m2k is at his peak this year winning some tournaments and having all around good placings at majors and also he has good placing as doubles matches. If you keep that in mind and then take the las years in to according then i woud say that mango and m2k shares 3th place with mango being only a little higher because m2k has problems vs mango and mostly loses that matchup
what are you saying? Mango's best placing is Royal Flush, while evo has a lot of prestige it really isn't the best melee event anymore. Genesis is becoming the bigger smash tournament in general and mango also placed 2nd while m2k placed 3rd. Also Mango has won Royal Flush which is an impressive tournament having pretty much all top 6 in that tournament and mango beating armada both sets in grand finals. I do agree his record against chudat is looking bad, but he proved that he can easily handle chudat in this tournament as well as Axe. Mango had high peaks/more tournament wins, had almost as consistent placing as m2k, wins head to head against m2k, and has better set counts against the top 5. Mango clearly defines to be better than m2k right now. If m2k wants to prove that he is better he needs to win a big major tournament before this year ends.
It'd be interesting to see how Mango would do going all Falco vs Hbox. He wouldn't be as successful, but how much would change?
8:09 that was the most Mang0 thing I've ever seen
I think people appeal to mang0 because his cocky nature is fun and competitive. I like all smashers but leffen to be honest even though leffen is damn good.
Don't people usually hate cockiness? I know ESAM isn't a really well liked player.
you have to make a tournament named Rest
Hbox broke his headphones?
Hbox is the best melee player by far
The crowd... just wow
Who deserves 2nd place?
So awesome seeing the disappointment on those Mang0 fanboys!
Lets go hbox!!
Congrats on clutching it out. Well deserved win.
MAN my heart fucking dropped after that Mang0 SD on game 4. Guy was playing on fire, I feel like he definitively could've taken it right there had he not fucked that up. That said, I'm always happy to see my boy HBox take another tourney. RIP in peace headphones :P
Yea definitely unfortunate, but still would have pushed them to another round of 5. Who knows what would've happened there.
I'm happy. Leffen was eliminated.
Although Chu deserved to place higher.
MATTierial riiiiiip Chu.
Congrats mango
Cadee N to losing
On Second
BlueRiging in MIOM rankings
Cadee N This is actually hilarious bc so many Mango fans probably read this before watching the set.
Hehe
that slipup on game 4 by mango cost him the tournament. losing a whole stock at 0% is not something that should ever happen to pro players.
I actually like the Falco pick here, the bird was warmed up and switching from Falco to fox can throw hbox off plus mangos good enough that he can switch between spacies mid set like that insane game 3 showed lol
What's a MarioKart streamer doing in super major grand finals?
That Randall save at 5:04. GRSmash where you at?
Where are Dr. Pee Pee and Armada? I miss them. :(
dead, and hiding
Is the location why they're cheering for Mango? Doesn't HB deserve to win? What about little old us/me?
Greatermaxim Whoever won is the person who deserves to win.
"Pretty big lead actually right now, 37 on this stock (for mango)
>Jiggs turns 1 hit into a kill
You never have a lead vs jiggs until you win
Omg, Mango looked unstoppable in game 3. I would've prefered it if he had got the bracket reset because the set was so good, though I'm happy that hbox won
Why do people hate HBox's Jigglypuff?
Because they're newbs. Instead of getting good, they cry and get salty like little bitches. A Mango fanboy threw a crab at Hungrybox for winning Pound 2019. That's how pathetic these newbs are.
I’m so fucking glad hbox beat mango with this crowd specifically
i didnt pay attention to the crowd so idk how they were but in general when these two play the crowd mostly cheers for mango so its happened before
I’m glad I watched this now. You go Hbox
Can mango fan boys just not go to tournaments?
I hope mango keeps trying falco vs hbox in the future, it looked really promising here
13:07 Just Melee things.
I knew HBox always stood for HitBox
There you be a sort of youtube player/addon that doesn't show the length of a video. I keep spoiling myself by accidentally mousing over the player.
mango if you reading this your falco had it just missed those conversions off the top but GG though
If you ever want to enjoy this set, know that the mute button is your friend.
Tbh I don't know why Mang0 didn't went Fox from the start, I thought he had gotten enough data from the WF set. Imo he should have gone Fox in WF so that if he won he could go Falco set 1 of GF. Anyways good stuff to Hbox, proving why he's definitely Top 3 this year.
Ok, but Hbox's puff was SO on point against Mango this tournament. Props to him. Def earned that win.
10:48 - 10:50 those lasers into instant turn shield-drop backair was so fucking nice.
I legitimately can't tell who won through the comments.
some of the best commentating in while.
I was seeing flashbacks of the kid styling in Puff mirror on FoD during that game 3.
*Had to change my boxers*
All the Star Fox vs the Champion Melee of years 😎
8:08 the most optimal punish.
That guy on the C9 shirt behind the players @ 16:08, he's so fucking concerned.
I think it is better that Mang0 lost the set due to playing Falco. He now has more knowledge on the MU which can help him against Hbox in the future. Mang0 clearly wasn't playing for the win until game 3, and definitely didn't intend on beating Hbox in their first set.
That 3rd game was more than enough for me
Damn why is smash 4 so much more fun to watch for me
good thing I knew the outcome beforehand because I would not have been able to handle that otherwise
Why does the crowd hate HBox? He wins and it was quiet. You heard a little bit of "Awww." Like they were disappointed and there were people with hands on their heads, and over their mouths. It's so sad to me that Hbox plays his ass off and he doesn't get any cheers. He literally got golf claps after the silence.
8:09 Kreygasm
Fantastic set, both played really well i think. Hope Mango considers Falco a counter pick in some scenarios to keep Hbox on his toes, given its the first time in a long time he used Falco he did fairly well and should have a lot to go off for nexxt time.
7:10
Hungrybox is now definitely 2nd rank again and Mango is close behind in 3rd.
I swear these games make my blood pressure skyrocket
7:15 the guy behind Mang0 flips the stream.
Mango dropped it so damn hard on Dream Land.
9:12 that ain't falco
That final rest, GG Hungrybox! :D
Yes indeed!
....... that aint luigi????
God damnit. Fucking Hbox