RIO MOW Tips // A Forgotten Advantage?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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These are a GREAT tool but can be misunderstood. Hopefully this video explains a few things!
Down and dirty explanation, MOWs as you say are underutilized by a lot of fisherman . Sad because they work so well or good because there missing the fish we’re catching by not using them :-)
Thanks for the summary.....any suggestions on to determine leader length and if fly should be weighed?
Great question. I like 4' on average for leader length and I prefer an unweighted fly assuming I can get it down but will certainly throw on a heavy if necessary.
Any rule of thumb for leader/tippet length? And in the other video....use with a weighted fly...?
My preference is an unweighted or lightly weighted fly so they hover and move with the nuances of the current. I will run weighted flies at times in heavy currents however, generally that is my first audible if I'm not getting grabs. Change fly weight and pattern. As far as tippet goes, I'm about 4' on average of straight Fluorocarbon.
probably a dumb question - but why not just stick a shoretened sink tip on end of floating skagit head then ? eg 3ft of sink on end of shooting head then 3 ft mono to fly
Great question, MOW tips are 10' so that no matter the sink/float ratio they all cast the same. Very important with two handed rods so that your line is in contact with the water and is able to create energy in the rod.
Thanks for the video (and all of your videos). Also been in your shop and hired a guide for the day… you guys are awesome. Anyways, I recently bought a 3weight g loomis 11’11” trout Spey rod as I’m wanting to learn Spey fishing here in central Oregon. The guy at my local fly shop set me up w a #4 rio integrated in touch trout Spey line (which I believe is a scandi style line?) and a Rio light 10ft MOW float tip. I’m having second thoughts on my purchase after reviewing a lot of your Spey videos and I’m wondering if (1) I’m limiting myself w this line overall, since it is not interchangeable and (2) does this mow too even make sense adding to the end of the integrated fly line? Also is the #4 ok for a 3 weight? Thanks in advance.
That is a good line, but that sink tip is on the heavy side for that line. That tip at 80 grains (T-8 x 10') is a bit sluggy for that line so if your casting is more challenging than you expected that could be the reason. You might do better with some Versileaders from RIO and a smaller fly. The "Trout Spey" line from RIO is excellent but not designed to cast soggy weighted flies and heavier sink tips such as you have. It will do it, but requires more effort. I like that line, just limits your sink tip and fly size.
@@redsflyshop thanks for your response, I haven't used the rig yet.. still need to study your casting lessons video a couple more times before I get in the river! The MOW tip I thought was floating line but regardless it sounds like it might be on the heavier side. I'll give it a shot though and see how it goes
Hey Joe, I typically use a OPST riffle (T8) I believe. When I face obstacles like boulders sunk logs etc. I strip as the swing takes place, I find this greatly reduces snags. Am I wrong should I be using a mow tip to have better hook ups with fish?
MOW Tips are great for boulder work. It works well with flies that sink at the same rate as the sink tip material. The system works well if you cast right across the river instead of a 45 degree downstream
Man that sounds like it’d be perfect for the north shore superior steelhead rivers. Will be ordering some thanks Joe!
Great, I'm glad this makes sense. These have been around for 10+ years but are really overlooked IMO. Thanks for watching!!
I bought a full 10 and 15 set of these for like $150 per set when they first hit the market probably 10+ years ago. Never really used them much but I can see how they might be effective. Glad I held onto them.
MOW Tips are cool and useful, but there is a bit more to the Light, Medium, Heavy, Extra Heavy descriptions: Light uses T-8 for the sinking section, Medium T-11, Heavy T-14 and Extra Heavy T-17. As Ed Ward always stresses, using a heavy tip helps transfer power all the way to the fly and helps deliver large, heavy flies (without hingeing). It is super cool that you can use a Heavy MOW tip and deliver a big fly at different depths by varying this length of the sinking section (2.5 ft, 5 ft, 7.5 ft). The interplay of current speed, structure and showing the fly at the right depth make winter steelheading a fun challenge.
Would love a video going over the technicalities of "swinging around boulders, ledges, etc using trout spey".
Wow, had no clue. This really does solve a problem. Thanks always!
Wow … casting over rocks … steering around obstacles … you can’t do fancy things like that doing regular regular fishing
Correct; there are things you can't do or water you can't fish effectively with your regular regular rig that become available to you with a skagit rig.
Which, btw, is what's being discussed here.
Will the light version work on the Sage Trout Spey HD #4? Unfortunately Rio do not produce MOWs for all line weights individually.
Yes
@@mikekuczynski1552 I fish it already. It works!🙂
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Serious Question. You rushed through, at the end, the fact of what Light, Medium and Heavy refer too ! I did NOT realize this till now ! My Question then is, having the Sage 3103-4 T.S. and the 4113-4 T.S. rods . . . and just ONE dedicated REEL (for now) WITH an AirFlo Integrated (Scandi Hybrid) Line - Their Switch Float Line - CAN I UTILIZE THE LIGHT (or Medium?) MOW Tips (float/sink versions) with this line ? The 3wt has the 275 grain and the 4wt has the 330 grain (both Sweet Spots) -- The Line Head design is; 26ft. -- 16ft Tip, 8ft Belly, 2ft Rear, integrated into the Running Line. thanks
Hi Louis, MOW Light for sure but these tips are really for completing a "Skagit" style shooting head system.
@@redsflyshop Thanks Joe . . . I'm well aware of the "trials and tribulations, haha" of Spey Line-systems. Been fishing with "fake flies" for ~40yrs., yikes ! I 1st started learning in 1999 ON the SKAGIT River making my own Head systems by trial and error, thanks in part to Dec Hogan (remember him ? Of course you do ! He was my 1st Skagit River Guide then, and although not a part of the "MOW" gang (by name, He too played a BIG part in all that stuff, IMO. NICE Canook-steelie . That water is usually that color . . . think it has more to do with glacial runoff !?. I've seen a lot of B.C.'s 'Sport Fishing On The Fly' UA-cam Channel . . . you should check it out - Lots of lakes and Upper Columbia River stuff, my FAV. River !
I have a question. Can I use a T8 10 sink tip on a 270gr Skandi fly line on a 4wt trout spey? Also what floating Mowtip is best for the same 4wt trout spey rod? Thanks
80 grains (10' of T-8) is really heavy for a Scandi taper. That is more of a Skagit tip. I would suggest using SONAR Polyleaders on that Scandi 270. MOW tips are built for Skagit heads, so it may be best not to pair those up together. Here is a link to the SONAR Leaders. I suggest the 7' for rods under 12' redsflyfishing.com/products/scientific-anglers-sonar-leaders
@@redsflyshop Also I'm looking at a line setup that I can swing both short and long distance for pesky trout that spool easily. Any help and link to that setup on your shop would be greatly appreciated. Again Thank You for your reply
How would a moe tip be different than floating line? Sorry I’m not very experienced
Ha exactly! If pure floating, it's not necessarily a "MOW" tip. MOW tips are really the "hybrid" tips that are part floating and part sinking. That is what makes them unique.
@@redsflyshop I see don’t realize you had sinking line, it makes sense now! Thanks
@@kurtjensen7930 Oh yes, they are pretty cool. Nothing new, just honestly not understood very well. It's basically a "mini tip" but it's still 10' long and the appropriate grain weight for your line and rod setup. i.e. Light, Medium, Heavy, etc. which corresponds to "approximate rod weight".
Only part of it floats they have 10’ tips for example that 5’ float 5’ sink , 7’float 3’ sink and so on in order to cast a Skagit line you need to have a tip be it sinking MOW or floating MOW otherwise the system doesn’t cast . I will use a floating 10’ if I’m casting say a light fly soft hackle in shallow water now it’s like casting a Scandi . Hope this helps