Zoom H1n Review for Filmmakers - Impressive Sound Effects Recorder
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- After nearly a decade, Zoom has released an update to their very popular H1 stereo audio recorder. The “H” in H1n stands for handy, and I agree, that’s a very apt name for this little field recorder. In this episode, we review it from a filmmaking perspective. I find it to be a great device for recording stereo sound effects and as a general purpose learning tool for those new to recording sound.
If you’d like to learn how to make great dialogue audio for your film and video projects, please have a look at my courses at school.learnli...
This episode shot with the following gear:
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Zoom H1n Handy Stereo Recorder - One of my favorite tools for when I need to quickly and easily record stereo sound effects
B&H: bhpho.to/2EEsnhl
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Zoom H1n Accessory Pack - this includes the foam wind cover I find critical for recording outdoors with your H1n
B&H: bhpho.to/2HDXSJ6
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Zoom Hairy Wind Cover - also critical when recording outdoors
B&H: bhpho.to/2Hwo5xc
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SONY MDR7506 Headphones
B&H, Sweetwater, Amazon geni.us/sonymd...
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Blackmagic Design Ursa Mini Pro Cinema Camera - Used for the talking head clips
B&H: bhpho.to/2AKJOcN
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Sigma ART 24-70mm f/2.8 OS Lens (Canon EF Mount)
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Panasonic GH5 - Used for the product shots on the white background
Amazon: geni.us/vr8A5qm
B&H: bhpho.to/2BcorBk
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Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8 OIS Lens - incredibly versatile lens that is on the GH5 most of the time
Amazon: geni.us/RKk7yA
B&H: bhpho.to/2i6s2gv
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Copyright 2018 by Curtis Judd
Music - MzA by Cary Judd, used with permission
Ethics statement: Some of the links above are Amazon.com, B&H Photo, or other affiliate links.
This is one of the best review videos I've ever seen.
Thanks Mr. Beat!
agreed!!
Agreed. I just bought one.
i had the exact same thoughts. the noise floor measurements at -23 LUFS really hit hard.
Definitely 💯
This review couldn't have been done any better. Pretty much perfectly executed so thanks and well done. 👌👏👌
Thanks!
Wow. Great review, great coverage, love the b-roll, and love the lighting on this one. Nice touch on turning the unit off at the end "Goodbye." Just when I think I might have a chance to catch up on your quality reviews, you do something like this. Demon! (joking). :)
Thanks BFM, some of the shots were inspired by your work!
But I couldn’t bring myself to huck the H1n into a toilet. 😉
Basic Filmmaker waiting for your review
Chandrashekar. Not sure I can add anything than what Curtis covered. Although I'm better looking. OK, my wife said that. I'll probably do one and reference this video. Thanks!
Curtis. No kidding. I can't for the life of me think of what. Time to watch my own videos? :)
Great review ! I was going to get the Tascam, but it's shocking that with the newer versions they still have RF interference problems ...tho i really like their sound more.
Yes, it is a shame.
Thanks very helpful 👍
You bet and thanks for the feedback!
This is on sale for 80$ at the link in the description for anyone interested.
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I'm planning to get the rode ntg 4+ with the zoom h6. Is this a good choice for filming
and pls tell me how's different ntg 2 and ntg 4+
Hi Mezarans Tales, Yes, the NTG4+ and H6 are a good combination, though not my favorite combination. Which type of filmmaking will you be doing? Will you boom the mic over the talent or mount on your camera?
Curtis Judd I will boom the mic record with h6 and syn it in post
Hi, for about the same price, I'd go for the Zoom F4 and RODE NTG2. The F4 is a far superior recorder to the H6 and I personally prefer the sound of the NTG2 over the NTG4+:
Zoom F4: bhpho.to/2Aplb5d
RODE NTG2: bhpho.to/2yLen0I
Thanks you for your recommend
THIS is the review I was looking for. I’ve been curious about capturing ambient environments, so thanks for that bit at the beginning!
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Excellent! I should have watched this one first. Thank you Curtis! I'm going to enjoy using this unit. VERY helpful as always.
👍🏻Best wishes and happy recording!
Thanks Curtis!
Quick question: Will I still get 24bit 48khz audio when I connect the Rode VideoMic Go ii to it? And should I just conenct it via 3.5mm jack or (rode videomic go ii's) usb c to the (zoom h1n's) micro usb ?
Yes, it’ll be 24 bit 48kHz and you’ll use the 3.5mm jacks and cable. USB won’t work.
I need something for Shortfilm purposes, so ideally it should be able to record the voice of one person or more people at the same time plus sound effects.
Would it be suitable for this purpose? Naturally I'm gonna need to move much while filming.
I don't really wanna spend more than that since I'm only doing it for a hobby.
Oh and what's the maximum distance for good recording?
Thanks for the video.
Hi, yes, this can do the job. Like any other microphone, you need to get the microphones close to the sound source. For example for dialogue recording, I boomed the H1n just in front and above me, just barely out of the frame. When you try to record dialogue from, say, 6 feet away, it'll pick up a bunch of ambient noise. So just get creative and get that microphone/recorder close. It'll get the job done nicely.
Curtis Judd thanks man 👍
i’m a content creator asmr specially for unpacking. I’ve only had $100 budget for microphone. Recently i considering between zoom h1n, deity v mic d4 and rode go videomic 2. Can you give me some mic recommendation for that range?
I'd probably go with the DEITY D4.
Thank you. I've been waiting for your review since the H1n launched, and I wasn't disappointed. You always deliver the perfect amount of detail, and in the most effective way. Loved the field recordings!
Thanks Michael!
Awesome job on the video, thank you!
Thanks Clint.
Oh there is caleb 05:51 :)
Haha, yes! Good eye.
Great spot lol Curtis and Caleb are my favourite
mine too, they are best of the best!
Amazon or Zoom wasn't clear as to what type of Lighting cord to purchase for file transferring to my iMac (which they should have left alone. It was fine and easy with the old H1) I also have noticed listening back to back to my old recordings that the sound in this new H1n is not as clear as the H1. But it's workable to EQ in my Logic Pro software. Thx
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Thanks so much for this review! I just ordered one for my street interviewing series. :)
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I did the same!!! I hope your series is going well!!
That opener reminded me that I need to get out and record more audio "assets" for my catalog. Much better IMO to reference and use your own than find something comparable online. Thanks for the reminder haha
Get out there and record some cool sound Dave!
Great review. I picked up the H1n to do ASMR and outdoor ambient sound videos (tight budget). I'm very happy with the audio quality for the price. However, it does pick up a lot of noise. Also, it doesn't quite have the deep binaural sound that I'm looking for, so I'm hoping an external mic will help fill in the gaps. Some triggers sound great with just the H1n, though.
Thanks for sharing. Agreed - you will not get a "deep binaural" sound from microphones in an X/Y pattern like this.
Ultra-great review. Thank you so much. Are there any other price-point comparable options better for dialog that you may recommend? Thank you!
Hmm, not that I can think of. Hard to beat this. I'd just drop one of the channels in post when recording dialogue with this.
@@curtisjudd your response means a lot. I will pick one up. Thank you so much!
Hi, great video. I need something to strart recording wedding, mostly the dialogs from the ceremony. Is this a good choose? Or are there better in this price range?
hi Ellie, this is a good choice for the roughly $100 price range. Best if you can hide it up as close to the officiator as possible Best wishes!
Can I use it with Boya BY MM1 for home UA-cam studio? Will it improve the sound quality?
Should be able to, yes. It depends. The biggest thing you can do to improve the sound of a mini shotgun mic like the Boya is to get it off the camera and closer to the person speaking. If this allows you to do that, then it will improve the sound quality.
is there an "instant record" option when hitting the REC-Button, or do I have to turn the recorder on before?
You have to turn it on first.
is this good for lectures recording from a distance of 10-20 ft ?, kind of small classroom, so the professor doesn't use a mic, basically I'd be recording his natural voice directly.
Mmm, it’ll capture lots of room sound as well. Best if you can put it on the front row and aim at the professor
@@curtisjudd Thank you a lot for the answer. I haven't found a single video testing voice recorders from more than 3 or 4 ft away, so I really appreciate your answer.
I just have to say that your review was by far one of the absolute best product reviews that I’ve come across. Incredibly informative, functional uses covered, pros and cons simply laid out. Thank you for your review.
Thanks for the feedback, Brian! Very much appreciated.
excellent review as usual... thank you...
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Great videos Curtis, thanks for doing these reviews on audio recorders. I have taken interest into recording live rock concerts and have been looking into stereo recorders between the $100-200 range. In this video you mention this recorder's input levels may not be able to be turned down enough for loud recordings due to the pre-amps, I was wondering if you have a list of audio recorders you would recommend for rock concerts (even beyond the price range mentioned above). Recently the Olympus LS-P4 has arrived on the market (to replace the LS-100 model) advertising as great "better than CD quality" recorder, this claim is backed by the device having 3 microphones equipped to capture 20Hz-20kHz audio files which are stored as FLAC. Could you perhaps review this audio recorder?
thanks
Hi Robert, thanks for the feedback, I appreciate that! I have the Olympus on my list but have been having some trouble borrowing gear lately. Can’t promise any timelines, but I am hoping to review it at some point. Best wishes!
I have a question , since there's two x-y capsules in this mic , if I point one capsule towards my mouth then the levels are different in x and y , then i can convert it to stereo in post ,
so do this work as a cheap version of safety track feature ? because i can use another capsule's sound incase it clips , what do you say? 😃😂😃
Hi Maven Sony, you could sort of. You cannot control the input level for the microphones separately, but if you point one of them at you and the other away from you, the mic pointing away from you will record at a lower level. The only problem is that the sound from that mic pointing away will not pick up all of the frequencies so it'll sound a little colored. Hope that makes sense.
@@curtisjudd thanks for your response, yes I won't get the same quality tbh.
Have no need for such a device but I generally watch everything you post, in part because even though I am not the target audience for this device I always manage to learn something about the dark art of sound! Two personal fun notes, 1) I've lived in the south for decades and every time I see vistas of the mountains of Summit county my heart leaps! and 2) I loved your little undisclosed homage to Mr. Caleb Pike. I've followed the two of you for years and owe you both a debt of gratitude.
Thanks James, I very much appreciate the notes. :)
Hey Everyone!!!
Question.🚨🚨🚨🚨
Can you record the onboard microphones on the left channel and an aux input on the Right channel?
2 separate inputs with independent gain control.
Thanks in advance.
No, inbuilt mics or 3.5 mm but not both at the same time.
@@curtisjudd Appreciate the response. Any recommendations to do that? Around the same budget. Willing to go higher if needed.
Thanks
@@okerac8344 The ZOOM H4n, H5, H6, or H8 will do it.
@@curtisjudd Thanks!!! The h4n is now on my list.
Nice to see Caleb Pike there from +dslrvideoshooter
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5:51 and that's Caleb from DSLR video shooter
It is, indeed! One of my favorites.
@@curtisjudd me too
1:37 Is your channel turning into a drop-test channel ;) Great review Curtis!
No way! I have to send this back to B&H since it is only on loan. Thankfully it didn't sustain any damage. Whew!
@Chris, I was surprised by that drop test, too.
The drop clip in the video was only from about 10 or 12 inches onto an old desk. Fortunately the H1n held up well there, too. :)
What are settings in zoom h1n to record high quality voice ?
24-bit, 48kHz wav.
This was the perfect video. I had just found out yesterday that there was a new H1 and now this video was posted.
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Really excellent, comprehensive, and extremely well made video. Thanks very much.
Thank you.
Excellent video. The "digital attenuator below 3.5" was a great detail, as I tried using the h1n to record from a line out connection (quite loud compared to a mic input). Even when the levels showed that the peaks were at -12dB, there was noticeable distortion. Increasing the zoom gain to 5 and reducing the volume of the source fixed it! Not sure why the manual says "line input" when it cant work fine with such higher levels.
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Line level is about 1,000 times stronger than mic level. You should use an inline attenuator to take Line level audio down to Mic level. Somewhere between -25db and -40db will do the trick.
Thank you, I’m an absolute (sound) beginner and you make it simple
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Fantastic Review, waiting for Tascam's respond to the 2 recent releases from Zoom, However these seem Interestings!!
Thanks Felipe. Yes, I'd like to see Tascam respond soon.
Yep. Have a Tascam DR-22WL which has been fine for me, and Wi-Fi extra has been really useful. Has to be said Tascam have been really good with adding new firmware features to this and related devices. Always inspires confidence, when a company keeps adding features like this, to what is essentially an inexpensive device, without just bringing out new models which "replace" the old one in short time. That we can get this sort of quality, and feature sets in such reasonably priced gear these days, is amazing!
PS. And thanks once again, for your excellent reviews and guides.
Thanks Tim
I own the H1N, The Tascam DR5, the DR40, the DR680MK2 6 track, the Zoom Q2N and the Q8. The audio I see in most of the H1N must be pretty processed, as the best I can get it to sound is with not using the mics and just doing LIne inputs from external sources. The Tascam unit mics are better, but must not be handled or noise enters. I would prefer either the Tascam dr7 and the DR40 for this on camera work with their adjustable mics. I use all of my recorders as line in only with external mixers and nice pro grade mics and get great results. I have enjoyed my Q2N and 730P Q8. I will upgrade my Q8 to the 4K model soon. The view finder is a must.
Thanks for sharing. We did NOT do a bunch of processing.
Awesome review. Thank you so much!
Thanks 👍
any hints or tips, when using this item to record a full band inside my house so I can get a decent idea of how my band sounds ?
It isn’t good with very loud, even if you turn the input level all the way down. May have to move it away from the band.
@@curtisjudd I thought it has a built in limiter so it wont distort when recording louder audio ?
@@davehimlin2374 It'll help a tiny bit, but the limiter is digital and can be overloaded.
Love all your reviews in fact Your my go to channel for most of my audio needs.
Thanks Bill!
Great review! You mentioned that the sound of the H1n mics was more mid-range than you preferred. Is this different from the original H1, or was that mid-rangy as well? (I liked the sound of the H1 mics a lot when I used it that way, but didn't use the external mics much due to wind and handling noise issues.)
Hi! I actually found the H1n to be more mid-rangy than the original H1. I rather preferred the sound of the original. But ergonomically, the H1n is much better in my view.
Yes ! Was just waiting for this one :)
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thanks. I just have an option to buy and old h4n for 100$ or new h1n for 81$.
I am now confused.
It depends on what you're recording and the types of microphones you plan to use. Any details you can share?
@@curtisjudd talking head indoor. Though my bedroom is not treated yet, i plant to use blanket curtains later. For now, I just ordered a deity d3 pro and a zoom h1n brand new. Want to pair them together for less noise/hiss as I found online that combining their both gains works as a pretty good noise free preamps . I am very bad at post processing.
@@GardenFreshBD Happy recording and best wishes.
Great Review as always Curtis! Thank's for it!
Thanks 👍
No problem ;)
Excellent video..
Informative and helpful content..
Thanks for such a favorable sharing..
Thanks Abdul.
Thank you! Mine just arrived along with the H5! You taught me so much!!
Congratulations! Happy recording!
hi! can I record both with the xy mic and an external one at the same time?
No
Thanks for another great overview Curtis... I got a good laugh watching you chase the car. :-)
Cheers,
Greg
Thanks Greg, I’ll do almost anything it takes to get a little cardio exercise in. 😉
Me too!
What about starting up the H1n, is it longer than H1 until it's ready to use? My H4n takes a while for starting up on 16gb card, and H1 is so fast
That seems to depend on the speed of the SD card, the capacity of the card, and how many files are on it. Otherwise they seem about the same in terms of startup time.
Curtis Judd
Hi just wondering what SD card you use/recommend for this?
Great video btw, you are the channel I trust the most when looking at reviews of this kind of gear
In was pretty disappointed with the VT lavalier quality, for sure won't be purchasing that.
My voice doesn’t do it justice. It is used on lots of TV shows so it is actually a good mic. My voice is brutal on lavaliers.
HI Curtis, thank you for great review. You left me with the question: i have original zoom H1 and mono lav mic. Using this combo for my basic UA-cam blog. Is it better to record using both in mono and then later change the sound to stereo in post? Or, use 3.5 jack mono to stereo adapter between lav mic and zoom H1? What would be the best audio quality between two ways of recording? Thanks alot.
Hi, first thing to consider: For dialogue, stereo is not better than mono. I would stick with mono unless you have a very clear and specific reason to not have the mono in the middle of your sound field.
MicroUSB in 2018? Makes me sad to see.
You’d prefer USB-C?
Curtis Judd It's the new standard, yes.
Curtis Judd
I do believe USB-C would make an audio interface implementation on Android much easier.
Makes sense.
i mean, yes of course, but it's not exactly insane.
brands have been doing this for years.
it's not an excuse, but microUSB is still a standard
I still use a pair of H1 recorders, they are so 'grab and go'.
All my car videos use them, and I take them to shoots in noisy environments when I can tuck one into my clothes and wear a lav.
Me too, incredibly convenient!
Excellent job on this review from beginning to end in all aspects, from the inclusion of the initial text summary and complete detailed description of all functions, to the studio and location production values (nice studio lighting w/black background) as well as them being great live examples and samples of the H1n's abilities and output. I just scrolled through the comments and it looks like I'm not alone in my opinion, but this was the first review of yours that I've seen, so even though you don't need any more compliments I've already finished. Thanks for the info.
Thank you so much!
hI!! I need to record a play in a theatre, which is the best setup?
Sure.
@@curtisjudd which setup do you think is good for a play at a theatre recording?
Great review...as always. Would you consider doing a one-to-one with the Zoom f-1. Thanks in advance.
Thanks! Unfortunately I had to send the F1 back to B&H as it was on loan but I’d say that in terms of audio quality, they were nearly identical from my subjective point of view. If the main use will be recording effects, I’d probably go with the H1n. If the main use will be recording a lavalier microphone, then I’d go with the F1. Some others might suggest the F1 in both cases if you can afford it but I experienced a bit of RF interference with the shotgun mic attached to the F1. But on the other hand that might be a fluke as others claim to have had RF interference with the H1n and I did not. So hard to say with that pesky RF...
Curtis Judd: Hi Curtis, thanks for that 'super-fast' response! My use would be both effects (ambience) and dialogue. Probably less of the latter.
Which would be better to record nature sounds for film? H1 or rode videomicro, including wind noise? Thanks alot. Am using the A7III.
I would go for the H1n and add a wind cover.
Thanks , good review and I just bought a zoom h1n
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Zoom h1n मे mp3/ 320k मे रिकाॅर्ड करते समय मार्क वन मार्क टू क ईस्खीनमें मेक्यूआता है जीससे रिकाॅर्ड कट जाता है ईस्के बारे मे बताईये शरमें
क्षमा करे मुझे समझ नहीं आया।
In very windy conditions what low cut setting should I use, or is it cumulative? 80hz 120hz or 160hz?
Depends on how extreme the wind is distorting the sound. The more extreme may require the 120 or 160Hz settings but will start to reduce the bass response of whatever you're recording. Stay at 80 if you can but use the higher settings if you must.
I've lost my battery cover in the field
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Hey Curtis, how are you? When you did your 11hrs recording test, did the H1n split the audio files? If yes, how long and heavy were each of them?
Hi, this was quite a long time ago, but I believe it breaks them into 4GB files.
Wow, amazing video and very detailed! I have this microphone and am still unsure how to best use it. What settings did you have on when recording this video? (bit, Hz, etc) and did you have to work on it after recording?
24 bit, 48kHz. I boosted the levels slightly in post, and also applied a light pass of compression.
Hey @Curtis Judd, I realize this is an old video, but is there are preferred gain setting on the Zoom H1n to minimize internal noise from the preamps? If I recall, you did a very detailed test on the H1 where you detected a noise bump at a certain gain setting.
I've heard, though haven't tested, that the lowest settings on the H1n also do digital attenuation like the original H1 so best to stay above 4 or 5 if you can.
With all those crappy microphones for video that are flooding the market these days, packed with features but crazy sibilant and with frequency responses that would look like the Rocky Mountains, something like the Zoom H1n is incredible value. Sounds way better than it should for the price. Thanks for the demonstration!
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Bro I want to record 2/3 sound source at same time with DSLR can I use this?????
Possibly. Would need to know more details about the sound sources and where they'll be positioned in relation to the H1n and the camera.
@@curtisjudd I want to Connect 2 microphone to H1n and connect 2 sound source to DSLR
@@Phungawari You'll need a mixer of some sort. You can then attach multiple microphones to the mixer and the mixer to the DSLR. Here are some example mixers: ua-cam.com/video/B_0od_f_QkQ/v-deo.html You might need one with more inputs than the 3 we show in that video. the companies who make these are Saramonic and Beachtek (JuicedLink is out of business now).
Thanks for the great review! By the way, I've question, If I already have Zoom H6, should I get Zoom H1n? I really interested in H1n because of the size and price :)
If it would worth the price to have a smaller recorder, yes!
Please make a review of the H1n used as Audio Interface in a DAW ( like Ableton live 10 ) for use with 64/128 samples 44khz/24bit so I can have a reference what is the latency. Nobody is doing this, i've searched everywhere.
I have a small laptop of 11.6inch from 2014, intel N3530 cpu laptop with 4GB ram and want to use it with a midi keyboard on stage using some VSTs like Arturia V collection or something similar, I want to know how bad would the latency be if I used the Zoom H1n instead of the built in soundcard. The lower I go in samples the smaller the latency but the greater the risc of crackles and sound generally breaking. I know that, also I know that differs from one VST to another, depending on the CPU load it generates. Would love to see the H1n in action at least.
thank you for reading through this far :)))
Hi, unfortunately I do not have the H1n any longer, I only borrowed it for a month to do this review. Sorry about that.
The short film I'm currently working on has all the audio recorded on my zoom h1n at its highest quality (96k 24 bit). How do I ensure that the exported video will have the same quality? I can select the sample rate to 96k in the export settings but can't find the 24 bit setting. I use h.264 to export video. I'm a premiere pro user. Any guidance would be helpful.
Hi George, I don’t believe H.264 supports 24 bit as it normally encodes to AAC. So just use the highest bittate Premiere supports. Best wishes!
Awesome review!! I’ve been using Zoom forever, recorded numerous live performances with it, it was always with me, in my guitar case... Just got the upgraded version, it’s a must for serious musicians and filmmakers. Cheers
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Great video and im a total noob when it comes to audio recording but how does this hold up vs recording with a premium phone? i mainly want to create new sounds for my Roland Sampler and was thinking about hitting various objects with sticks/pencils etc to create my own library of sounds. I can get this H1N for 56 euro's new and the pack with the case etc for 68 euro. What should i do and whats the next best option besides the H1N if you dont mind me asking?
Depends on the phone. There are some stereo mics for phones that would also capture decent quality stereo.
How did you manage to reduce the noise in the H1N? I am testing it with Limiter on and Lo Cut at 160. I noticed the noise in a quiet room. Your video doesn't seem to have a lot of hiss noise.
I recorded in a very quiet room with sound blankets hanging just out of frame. No noise reduction applied.
You said it's not a great choice for recording very loud sources. Which recorder can you recommend for recording very loud situations? Thanks!
That's where I think it makes sense to upgrade to a separate recorder and microphone with a pad. Something like a Sound Devices MixPre-3 and set of RODE NT55s would be good:
RODE NT55: amzn.to/2Myw4ZX
Sound Devices MixPre-3: bhpho.to/2zKKgvZ
Dear Curtis, thanks a lot for your videos! It helps a lot. Do you recommend to get the Zoom H1n or Zoom F1 to use as back up sound. I usually record different type of events. Some times I can have 5 or 7 people at once talking. Gracias for your advice. Best.
Probably the H1n.
thank you so much for the info,
glad to have info before purchasing the product
keeep up the good work.
and ur vid quality is really good
Thanks Rainbow Impact!
Great comparison and overview, both are available used here, I think it's probably worth the extra $30 to go for the H1n, and the guy with the H1 hasn't got back to me lol! Just curious, is there any real issues with taking a stereo recording and making it mono in your software?
No issue at all as you can tell here - all the talking parts were split to two mono tracks and I dropped one of them so it was just mono.
Great Video! My old H1 has been dropped many times but still works well. It's time for a new one now so I'm thinking about getting the H1n for my video cam and music. I like the choice of using a limiter and having front controls vs. having everything on the side which was hard to feel and read. Thanks!
Thanks Ezra, and happy recording!
Not sure if you can remember, have you had any issues syncing 48 KHZ Audio video camera footage with recorded 48 KHZ audio on this Zoom device? Anything due to drop frame 59.94 (60P) footage and audio drifting?
I don’t shoot above 29.97 FPS for my work so haven’t tested that. But haven’t had any problems with any clips up to 20 minutes long.
Excellent video, Curtis, thanks. I just got mine today.
If you catch this, or if anyone else wants to chip in, any thoughts would be appreciated: Any suggestions for settings for recording a band in say a medium sized club, about 50 seats? It's our band and we want to record for self-critique and demos. We're a 3 piece (drums, my bass, guitar) and we all three sing, with a lot of harmony parts. We don't play extremely loud, conversation is still possible in the crowd, but they would have to talk a little louder than normal without screaming. Nowhere near 120dB, anyway.
We put the vocals, keyboard and a bit of the kick drum and guitar through the mixer, so we'd want both the PA and the individual instruments/amps along with it. We do use monitors, so some of the PA sound is available on the stage as well. Limiter ON? Manual level? Distance, height, direction and location suggestions?
Thanks for any help anyone can provide!
I'd recommend having a friend experiment around during a rehearsal or show. I'd generally start about 1/2 way back in the audience area with the mics pointed at the PA speakers with an unobstructed view. You'll need to adjust the gain (definitely manual gain) until the peaks are hitting around -12 or so, depending on how much your music modulates. I would avoid the limiter if you can, just to keep things clean. That's where I'd start.
Between ZoomH1n, iRig Pre, iRig Pre HD and Saramonic Smartrig+ what would be the best at noise picking (actually ignoring it) when used as preamps for shotgun mics? Thanks!
Probably the iRig Pre HD.
I really need a hand held small recorder like this but with phantom power
Ideas?
@@GregorBrown I wish. There are some which will record to your phone, but that's not the same in my book.
Wow your eyes are just beautiful. It’s amazing that they match the color of your jacket.
It is the jacket which matches the eyes. 😉
I didn’t actually need this device, but I just “happened” to buy one anyway - it arrived from Thomann Thursday. I got the Accessory Kit with it, and I have a few notes on that.
The case is very nice, and that was the main reason I got the kit.
The tiny table top tripod, however, is by far the worst I’ve yet come across. I don’t know if I just had bad luck with my copy, but the ball-head is terrible. What you want, of course, is to be able to just loosen it a little, so that there’s still some resistance, and then smoothly adjust the position and tighten. But the head seems to hit a snag all the time which makes adjusting the position near impossible. Unless you unscrew the screw a long way. In that case you don’t hit any snags, but you also have to very carefully hold the head in the desired position while tightening the screw a long way. Not at all easy to work with. And one of the legs requires quite a bit of force to shift. Any - and I mean any - other tripod is likely to be better.
There’s also a stick you can screw into the 1/4” thread to adapt it to a standard microphone clip/holder. It’s not promoted as a “pistol grip” or anything like that, so although I haven’t tested it, I’d expect it not to eliminate handling noise very well.
There’s a USB cable (A to micro B) and a mains adapter. (Don’t ask me why they didn’t go with USB-C)
There’s also a foam wind screen.
But no micro SD card. They might have included just an 8, 4 or even 2GB card to get you started. But no.
Thanks for sharing, Lau.
I know that this video is over two years old, but maybe someone more knowledgeable than me could answer my question anyway. So I’m looking for a budget friendly option to start my adventure with field recording. I can’t decide between zoom h1n and zoom h2n. Which device is better for recording ambience, and maybe occasional foley?Are the external mic preamps equally as good? Basically I’m looking for something that could be as universal as possible.
I haven't used the H2n so I'm not sure. But the H2n will record in surround if that is useful to you. The H1n is a stereo recorder.
I'm using Rode VideoMic pro with my GoPro 6 but it is prone to interference when the GoPro wireless connections are turned on (wifi/Bluetooth). Do you think the HN1 is likely to be an improvement? Did you try using it as a camera microphone only and not a recorder? Nearly a year since you did this video, has the tripod screw hole broken or has it held up over this time?
Hi Geoff, I don’t believe I’ve ever had any RF interference issues with the H1 or the H1n Pro when I borrowed it for this video. But I never used it with a GoPro with all its radios on. I have used the original H1 as the mic for a camera with fine results. I had to return the H1n to its owner so I haven’t used it since then.
hey, could i please have some help. I am getting a digital recorder, should i get the Zoom H1n cardiod XY or the Tascam Dr-05X stereo omni AB
What will you be recording?
Solid footage! Continue the good work. We'd really value your feedback! Let's help each other? 😊🙌
Thanks!
Thanks for sharing your outstanding video! I recently bought one H1n with the purpose to participate in class and my voice would sound loud, but I can't make it to do so. Do you think that I am missing something? Thanks for your kind attention.
Hi Sofia, the microphone needs to be quite close to the sound source or voice.
This is my first recorder, and I use it for Birds sounds outdoor recording, Im pretty happy with this device.
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I purchased a 64gig microSD card and will will not work. Up to 32 GB HC card.
Thanks for confirming!
Really quality video, Curtis. Thanks so much. I'm going to pick one of these up tomorrow.
Thanks Aaron, I hope it works out well for you!
Curtis... I'm thinking of this microphone for my Wife's Travel Agency whereas she does self promotes about a cruise ship, train, tips etc... and am thinking that a Lavalier would be the way to go. So what you do offer or suggest in using one as to better or worse or what have you. And about 40/60 percent will be outside versus inside. Thanks for your help.
Hi Charlie. Will she be recording the audio for video or just audio? If for video, it'll probably be easier for her to get a lavalier which connects directly to her camera or phone.
I recently used this with a R0DE Wireless GO. I have found that if the Wireless GO's receiver is in close proximity to the XY stereo microphones, there will be high-pitch whining will be picked up by the receiver. I found that it is important to keep the receiver at least 6 inches to a foot away from the XY stereo microphones; this may not be as easy with the R0DE's included red coiled cable.
Thanks for the tip, Tom.
So I got me one of this, and is my backup recorder for my podcast, I have a zoom H5, I dont use it from the line out of the H5, I use it from the mixer the H5 gets one fo the main outputs (the balanced one) and the H1n gets the other main output (The unbalance one) the difference in quality and everything is massive. So I was disappointed with this recorder when I see the file, the sound waves dont look like yours they look like chopped they look like miniature squares not like a regular sound waves but like a line of ants, then i see the file from the H5 it looks like a normal recorder, they are both recording in .wav 48k 24bit Low cut 120hz. (The H5 in low cut of 115hz cause it doesn't have 120hz.) compression is in vocal in the H5, in the H1n limiter is on, can you help me please or is this recorder that bad? please help.
The mixer is outputting a line level signal and the H1n can only take microphone level signals. You could use an attenuation cable to reduce the level so that the H1n could record it without clipping, but that's a bit of a hack. Best to use the H5 to record the output from the mixer.
I may be a little late to this party, but when you say handling noise, I'm quite new to this sort of thing... What exactly do you mean by that? Do the microphones rattle around in the cage slightly? Would putting this on a moving mount of any kind be a bad plan? Sorry to have so many questions
Handling noise is when the sound of your hands rubs against the plastic body of the recorder and is picked up by the microphone. You'd be surprised at how often that occurs with this recorder since there is no sort of shock mount or isolation between the microphones and the recorder. I'm not sure what a moving mount is?
Amber screen is best because can be seen in very bright light also in the dark. It looks like the ingeneers who designed H1n don't know this. I expected like H1n to be an improvement of H1 but is not. It has some new things but also the fact that is powered by 2 batteries rather than one makes it more expensive and if one of batteries is lower the unit is useless...The red LED is in the wrong place, should be closest to the mikes so is not obstructed...the plastic this machine should be made of should be transparent polyethylene so never brakes.I still like H1 much better than H1n. You just need one AA battery and you can see the screen in sunny light.I think H1 should be be slightly modified using a strong flexible plastic that doesn't brake or the guards of the mikes should be made of bending metal to absorb the shock (by bending) without braking them. The usb should be micro instead of mini and it should have a possibility of recharging a AA Li-ion rechargeable battery while the machine is in use, so when the recording is finish the battery is fully recharged also, ready for portable use...H1 still have better specs than H1n and recording indicators for each chanel are vertical easier for the eye comparison...Sorry but the word upgrading today always is misleading...it should be replaced with "Changed" which doesn't mean an improving...my regards...
Thanks for sharing.
which sd card to use? i used samsung 8Gb/16GB , however, am seeing SD card error and unable to format, i have tried to format sd card from computer and then use, even this is giving error.
which sd card to use?
I've had good luck with the Sandisk cards like this (Amazon affiliate link): amzn.to/2JyXGOc