This is truly fascinating. When I was a American teenager in Turkey, I experienced the ancient history ..I could feel the antiquity in the air. . It was breathtaking! There’s so much to discover there.
@@miniehoran6431 There are alot of greek ruins or artifacts located in turkey. İ have a website that is in turkish, but it shows archeological sites and findings in turkey, with a bit of history. LİNK: tarihvearkeoloji.blogspot.com/?m=1
@@miniehoran6431 you have to dig. Everywhere on the Black Sea shores and inland areas along ancient roads and fortresses if you dig to build house or anything else you find greek artefacts and ruins. Same in Anatolia and all the way on the shores of Mediterranean towards Alexandria of Egypt. Peace and respect from Romania.🕊
I’ve always disliked the term used for the “Byzantine” empire. This is the single biggest factor, imo, many people are unaware that this empire is the eastern half of the Roman Empire that survives through the Middle Ages.
Jeremy Kirkpatrick true, but under the komenian dynasty the empire regain the initiative of Asia Minor plus with the help of the crusaders they did recover much of Asia Minor.
Under Justinian, Greek was the language commonly spoken at the imperial court, in the same way as Italian is spoken at the Vatican. Under Mavrikos, just a few years later, any pretences of "Romanitas" had been given up and Greek became the only official language of the Bizantine state. Latin was still understood, as a Lingua Franca, to deal with the west, but the Bizantine Emperor's were now fully Bizantine, and felt Greeks rather then Romans. The transition had been going for a couple of centuries, but the Roman Empire died, after a fashion, with Justinian, in the same way as it died under Odovacar in the west, just a century before.
900 years later. "We're trying to build a space port here but found remains of a giant subway station and shopping mall. Now we're racing to excavate the site before the space bulldozers come in".
this is so fascinating. when i was a kid i was interested in archeology, but thought that everything had been discovered. i love finding out how wrong i was
Charlie Aydin Our government might be irresponsible in terms of maintenance of our historical heritage but for our people, it’s more important than anything we have. We love living above such historical treasure, and we see it as a duty to pass it to next generations. So don’t assume anything about our people with the reputation of our government.
@@darthnox4914 our people? Assumptions? Both my parents are born in Turkey. Genel olarak, dunyanin en cahil insani olabiliriz. I know first hand stories of people in Izmir who dig up bones thousands of years old, and cover them up or throw them out so the council doesnt stop their construction.
Charlie Aydin It’s really sad that you’ve lost your trust to your own people. Maybe your bad experiences gave you the such conclusion. But I insist to not call my people nor myself ignorant, there are enough of people, who are aware of the privelages of living this beautiful country with full of history. And I’m also aware of it. Foreign people can mind their own businesses, as they probably have similiar issues in their countries, turkish people are happily taking care of any problem caused by the goverment, as we live in a democratic country, we’re all free to protest, and keeping the welfare of our historical heritage.
"And with one click of the mouse, the ancient walls reappear" I can tell you it likely took more than hundred of thousands clicks. The effort of spending over 10 years to digitally bring to life a long lost civilization probably deserves more recognition than that. Much respect to Turkey for their dedication to preserving history and also foresight to try and protect their future. Really well put together documentary, thanks!
@@GloryToTheUnitedStates6037 Well, the Spanish burned the books of the Maya, Canada has stripped native children from their families for land, and the US has had a lot history of erasing native culture. What I saw in the documentary was an impressive adaptation of technology and a strong foundation of librarys and institutions, that's all I was commenting on.
@@GloryToTheUnitedStates6037 Some churchs turned to mosque, because they have not any communitiy. If Ottomans did not turn to mosque, then this buildings collapsed and turned to ruins, but today most of this buildings still stand.
Its a difficult balancing act between our passion for history and the needs of the living world.. I project manager seemed to be willing to work with the archaeologists to a point, which was nice to see..
At last, modern engineering and archaeology worked together to save important findings dating to Eastern Roman times! The ancient harbor of Theodosius will be covered by a huge transportation network; anyway, it was already out of use because of an earthquake and a tsunami for more of a millennia ago...
Good on the archeologists sticking behind their principles. Although it is a controversial issue regarding the Turkish economy, the international community I would assume greatly appreciates the willingness of the infrastructure company to work in conjunction with archaelogists to ensure that the knowledge of our past is well recorded and preserved as well as possible.
In my view, the higher up’s forced & led the beginner engineer to comment “we are engineers.. make brighter than...-> was “Inhumane, Insanely ridiculous”. Why? Bcz the archeologist’s comments have earth & human value for hundreds & thousands of years and not the dismal politicians or business or the engineers anywhere in the world THE ARCHEOLOGISTS NEED NATURAL SUNLIGHT TO SHINE ON THE EARTH’s HISTORY.
In my view, the higher up’s forced & led the beginner engineer to comment “we are engineers.. make brighter than...-> was “Inhumane, Insanely ridiculous”. Why? Bcz the archeologist’s comments have earth & human value for hundreds & thousands of years and not the dismal politicians or business or the engineers anywhere in the world THE ARCHEOLOGISTS NEED NATURAL SUNLIGHT TO SHINE ON THE EARTH’s HISTORY.
Well you could dig it but the government claims it and throws it in the "digged up collectibles" bin and does nothing with them unless an organization or museum wants them. Besides i have a website that shows findings in turkey. Some of them are spartan or roman artifacts. The website is in turkish tho, but i will share it anyway :/ LİNK: tarihvearkeoloji.blogspot.com/?m=1
Fourth Crusade conquered and plundered Constantinople in 1204, Eastern Roman lands were divided between Venice and other Latin warlords. Black Death visited the city ten times between 1347 and 1400. When Constantinople was taken by the Ottomans in 1453 its best days were long gone.
Thats very true. And it makes it even more so impressive that it had once been so great that even in a state of disrepair the young Mehmed felt bad to hand such a city over to plunder
@Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayer "...but the Ottomans (did?)" Im confused by what you are trying to say. Yes white people did Genocide the Indians, but thats besides the parallel that was being made about land ownership & the tides of culture
@Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayer Empires subdue people and collect tax, that is what they do. That is how they become an empire. Roman Empire was no exception: Incorporating the land held by local warlords and city states to the empire was pretty routine for the Romans. Crushing religion based uprisings were a different story: Roman army had no qualms about annihilating them. Read about fate of Arians and Monophysites after the First Council of Nicaea in 325 and the fate of Paulicians after the Second Council of Nicaea in 787.
Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayer Turks were not forced to convert to Islam but chosen individually or tribally. The medieval and early modern Christian especially persecuted other religions
Constantinople can be very decisive to people. Let's just celebrated that it existed in one form and to one people and gave great things to the world and now exist as another form and to another people and gives wonderful things to the word.
Definitely...you said it right. And is correct about how decisive Istanbul can be. Most loved city for Turks and Greeks, both of them remembered it when was the greatest of all cities and they continue this tale till today make other people believe also about this greatest. And all of them they except everything from the city.... I hope more and more beautiful days for the city of Istanbul and all the different people who lives within...
I remember watching this episode of Megastructures when I was teenager and bummed that the tunnel episode wasn't finished. I am glad to see all the treasure that was uncovered and that this episode finally found me after a decade or more.
Antiquity from this culture is amazing. If I had enough money and time , I’d be going back to school for a degree in history and archaeology . The idea of being in a library and the field, would be very cool . Thank you for sharing.
great doco, and many thanks to these turkish archaeologists for doing their upmost to preserve the history of their great city! And if you have been on a dig with protocols, regardless of how you are hired; you are an archaeologist.
A beautiful archaeological site that could have attracted a lot of tourism. Try to restore and reconstruct the habour. I am not coming to Istanbul for a shopping center ..
In college I did a report on the Hittite civilization which was Egypt's main competitor. They were based in Anatolia, and there were people there even before them.
@@drpureinsanity stop lying and educate yourself first! You know absolutly nothing! Thats what happens when you hide hate behind pseudo historical knowledge
May be out of this context but archeologist also found Neolithic village remains, graves and footprints of the oldest settlers of Yenikapı village before Byzantium and Constantinople. This was completely changed the history of city.
Historic conscious Engineers and loving archaeologists make excellent partners. Turks are awesome people I know several. So glad to see so much love of history. Will go one day to Istanbul if I can.
The fact that turks are doing these with centuries old enemies, to find THEİR history is breathtaking. Turkey doesnt have to do this, you know. But they want to and so does greece.
@@ALTAI38 What is so funny is that I know several Turks who took DNA tests. They found that they were hardly purely Turkish. They had a mix of Turkish, Greek, Italian, Syrian, Jewish, Arab and much more. Turkey is a melting pot in many ways. Istanbul was not just a Greek city. It had been an international city for more than 1000 years. It was Greek in language, but international in ethnic makeup. Still is.
@@CHAS1422 its obvious for anatolians to get mixed, it really is the center of the world. Besides, turkey may be the least turkic country of our history. The purest turks are either kyrgyz or turkmen, perhaps kazakhs too. There was a code for ottoman sultans that their wives had to be a foreigner. So that breaks the whole dna tree
12:37 It's scary that there would be so many places to hide in a city as dense as this but when it was sacked it would only be a matter of time before the invaders find you...
Byzantines did not rule the World. That citie's history goes way further back, long before the Byzantines. That guys is clueless, new Jerusalem and new Rome?? Those were two very different cities, even diabolically different both symbolically and metaphorically. Wow how can someone say that. Also Turkey just drowned an ancient Kurdish City in the Eastern part of the Country that dated back to 12,000 years, under a dam project. I am not suggesting that these construction projects are politically motivated to permanently erase these ancient reminders of the previous owners of that Country, but they could be more careful not to ruin these sites permanently.
The titles of New Rome and New Jerusalem are not made up by the narrator. The Roman/Byzantine Emperors used that titles for Constantinople... New Rome as the new capital of the Roman Empire and New Jerusalem as to emphasize the Christian religion of this empire. Also the term Jerusalem became very quickly till very late in medieval and Reneasance a term characterizing a city of the God, a Kings city, city rightfull to rule etc....So the narrator is on point and he's not clueless. As far about if they ruled the world, eastern Roman Empire was for quite some time the most powerful state in the known world... All those things is in history... If you don't like it or disagree that's totally your issue and point on view
@Field__-Marshal-__Flintlock Just to add on to what Van Mars said, "New Jerusalem" is a term from the New Testament and heavily featured in Christian iconography, praise, poetry, etc. Constantinople (which was officially referred to as "New Rome" in Imperial Edicts, Law codes, church councils, et al) was seen as the capital of both the temporal world, and Christendom/the spiritual world, and was very often considered to be the prophetic "New Jerusalem" by the Romans. As for "the city that ruled the world," it's a figure of speech(like when some important leader is called "leader of the Free world"), but also was used quite literally in ancient times. Roman writers spoke as if Rome, and later, Constantinople, had subdued the entire inhabited/civilized world. They didn't have the same frame of reference that we do today. They certainly knew of other nations, lands, empires, etc(They were always at war with Persia, and traded annually with India & China) but that didn't change the notion that they ruled the world. Even when the west was lost in the 5th century, or when they lost the vast majority of their territory in the 7th-8th centuries, the idea that Constantinople was the capital of the world, and the queen of cities still remained. Lastly, this doc isn't about the old Greek colony of Byzantium, or any yet older Neolithic settlements. Old Byzantium was on the tip of the horn, and didn't include the Harbor of Theodosius, Julian, or any of the southern harbors, which is specifically what the video is about. These harbors weren't built until the 4th century.
@UColENAEhXrQwcredMmmLqsA Is not my interpretation about those things, those are historical documentation by byzantinologist and historians. It was never called New Rome or New Jerusalem by its people. Those terms used by the empire and the Greek Orthodox church/Patriarchate of Constantinople... I guess you are not familiar with this culture. Me personally raised in a Greek Orthodox environment never put a thought about those terms because I remember them often in the church...and it was never confusing, it isn't like you say Constantinople is like Rome or like Jerusalem...yes, politically used from the empire and the church to make a point about the new era, the change etc.... About the power now...Byzantine empire lasted for almost thousand years, of course it wasn't the most powerful all this time. The historians make the mark as most powerful from the 4th century till almost 7th century, especially the years of Justinian. It was the time before Islam rise and any major European entity come along. The Byzantine and Sassanids were the two most powerful states at the time. China even though was big and populous and wealthy had always been locked into more introverted policy...while the power is not about how populous you are (is India the most powerful today?) not how big you are (is Russia the most powerful today?) or how wealthy you are (is Switzerland the most powerful ?)..So power is something more complex, is about trade networks, influence, art, technology, significance as religion center, culture, geography, navy etc...So yes the Byzantines for quite some time they were the most powerful
@@histguy101 Two problems that I have with history is firstly its almost always politically motivated, unfortunately even now, and the saying "history is written by the victors" is a sad depressing truth that no true student of history ever wants to really acknowledge. Secondly we have to take out metaphors in history, otherwise it can get very very confusing very fast. For example Herodotus describes the Achaemenid army invading Greece as numbering in hundreds of thousands and says that their supply trains were in the tens of thousands, well obviously those aren't real numbers, but what he is essentially trying to convey is that they had a large army. But we all know that those numbers could not be right, its just not feasible for that time period. So the only unfortunate victim here is the truth, which can get lost.
Why pave it over, why not put in a Glass floor, so people can see what is there, bring it back to life, let people see by information boards etc.. what was there!! Geez, dig it up, quick, hurry we have to build this rail station, never mind it is a hugely important part of history you are finding, we have a time schedule!! Oh, and it's costing us a fortune while we wait in you!! Sickening, absolutely sickening!!
Respectfully, I don't think they're ignoring or unaware of that fact. Rather, this documentary is about a specific harbor that was built and active during the Byzantine period. Therefore, that is the focus of all of the discussion. For example, if you made a documentary about the Empire State Building in New York City, you wouldn't necessarily discuss in detail the Dutch colony or native populations that preceded it.
Considering they're digging up/discovering a harbor from the 4th century AD and on wards makes sense they would only talk about it as Constantinople and it's Christian era. Why would they mention it as Byzantium? There's nothing ancient that's being discovered right then and there
I have have to say what a stunning account of what was modern Christian Rome . The people preserving history deserve the world respect . Though what I see in the developing of a modern speedway tunnel and that nasty little man with his helmet as a complete idiot . The entire money would donated through in by multiple countries to keep safe the history of Constantinople and not Istanbul, namely Turky. Utterly amazing to see this amount of effort put in to what’s one of the oldest kingdoms in the world 🌎. Truly stunning
I live in Seattle, WA and we had something like this happen but at a very small scale. We were using the same tunneling machines to build our new express tunnel and kept hitting buildings that were not on any maps from the early years of Seattle and the Alaskan Gold Rush. Then there was all the debris from the Great Fire that added years to the project. I can only imagine it at this scale .
@@okk2776 he for real cared about being a turk, not being muslim. Big difference there. We called arabs as our brothers, but those betrayed us. Now our real brothers in central asia needs help but we are too weak to do something
I hope the new tunnel is earthquake proof as the Istanbul area is seismically very active -I think two fracture lines intersect there and even the dome of the Hagia Sophia church collapsed in an earthquake not long after it was constructed -it had to be rebuilt!
Insatiable desire of archaeologists to gather useless in formation, assumes me. They gather it, box it, and then forget it, leaving it all, to gather dust, in some museum basement.
The first name I found was Byzantium which is associated with Greece but I don't know what it was before that. Probably not Istanbul which isn't yet a century old.
Actually it goes like this Byzos, Byzantium, constantinople, istanbul. It was originally a thracian town. Then became Greek, roman, Turkish in that order
The ancient city of Byzantium was build at the 7th century BC from Greeks of the city of Megara as a colony. According to greek mythology wasn't any settlement there but there was one in the Asian side of the Bosporus (the other side of today Istanbul).
@@zarni000 According to what source? Literally tell me one substantial real solid source about that....it was never a settlement at the tip of the horn where the Byzantium was built
@Jeff Watson non-existent characters can be cursed any time. As they (duh!) don't exist. And if you write your fairy tales in all-caps, they still remain fairy tales. About magic. In the 21st century. by the way, based on the bible and all the crimes in it, that god (concept) deserves all the cursing he gets
- wow, we found an ancient brick from 18th century - hold me beer. (digs and discovers a whole ancient harbour including boats, skeletons and all other artifacts)
@Joe Money now?? it was muslim since it fell to the muslims since 15th century. from 6th century to 15th century it was a church, from 15th century to 20th century it was a mosque, over the past 80 years it became a museum and now a mosque again. IT WILL NEVER become a church ever again, same like the 6th century mosque in cordoba Spain
Irish Patriot at list my friend we have the BC...and u know since back then we use to have two store houses and toilets with water we didn’t use to wipe our arses with stones
Ρωμαίικος Στόλος Βυζαντος...από εδώ μετέπειτα έδωσαν το όνομα Βυζάντιο Γάλλοι και βαβαροι λογιοι όπως ο Ιερωνιμος βολφ....ο Βυζαντος λοιπών ήταν αποικία των Μεγαρεων....ουδεμία σχέση έχει η Ανατολική ρωμαϊκή αυτοκρατορία με τον Ελληνισμό....οι μόνοι που ευημέρησαν όπως εσυ ανάφερες πριν νομίζω ήταν οι Πόντιοι ανάφερες Ρωμηλια....η Ελλάδα ήταν κάτω απλά από τον ζυγό...κατάγομαι από λακωνια και όπως ξέρεις ο μηστρας ήταν κύριος το μέρος που στέφονται οι νέοι αυτοκράτορες ...στο χωριό μου υπήρχαν πολλές βυζαντινές εκκλησίες πρησκινηταρια των αυτοκρατόρων....ήμασταν απλά σκλάβοι.....απλά μεταγενέστερα λόγω του ότι και μονών μετά από την άλωση το ελληνιστικό στοιχείο άνθησε λόγω της μεταφοράς πληθυσμών από την κυρίως Ελλάδα....
04:38 Yeah yeah, exactly like the Tunnel-boring machines they used to cut the Channel Tunnel to connect Britain and France by rail in the 1980s, like wow.
@@user-fl7yh5fw5b Doesn't matter. Everyone wants to he the "Third" Rome for no apparent reason than to harp on a dead state which is a textbook example of an empire's life cycle...
Yes this is a 2011 doc originally called “the Emperors Lost Harbour” available on CBC Gem app in Canada. It kind of annoys me that they try to pretend they arent ripping it off otherwise I’d keep my mouth shut
Could someone please provide some evidence, point to some sources, human slaves were traded during the reign of Theodosius in the Eastern Roman Empire? I would really appreciate it.
I just watched a program yesterday about Roman slaves. They were paid for their work and allowed to get rich and after thet to apply for Roman citizenship. But their citizenship was only recognized if they have child born in the Roman city. Every City had white stone bord where the name of the borne child withe name of the parents was noticed... (like you can go in the center of the City and read the names of all citizens in the City)and every document was made on three black small bords to protect against any corruption. Isn't that absolutely look like today society? And all the fighting is about the territory, as always.
I’m so confused by this channel. This doc was originally on CBC Canada and the narrator is a bit of a hero here. Do they have some kinda licence to repackage documentaries? I can respect a rip off but why do they make it seem legit by tacking that weird guy on at the start? Is he the original director?
lol this is their documentary. conan obriens show plays on tbs i think but they still upload on youtube as conan not tbs. Its the difference between the network and the production company. probably a longer cut for internet instead of tv
@@khangarraty727 lol no it's not. Did you bother to check? Timeline is just a brand name for this UA-cam channel. They probably don't make any of this content. PTV produced this doc for CBC. So many brand names involved-they probably just have a complicated licensing deal to post older content from CBC that's no longer available on their app. Anyhow I was watching on a TV app so it didn't show all the info they posted under "SHOW MORE" Now that I'm on a computer I can see all of it.
@Neil Smith I've visited Turkey 3 times in the past 10 years. I've never felt unsafe at any point. On one of the trips the airline lost our luggage and everyone (at the airport, the hotel and the local shops) was very friendly and sympathetic and helpful.
This is truly fascinating. When I was a American teenager in Turkey, I experienced the ancient history ..I could feel the antiquity in the air. . It was breathtaking! There’s so much to discover there.
Yes,greek antiquity!
@@miniehoran6431 There are alot of greek ruins or artifacts located in turkey. İ have a website that is in turkish, but it shows archeological sites and findings in turkey, with a bit of history.
LİNK: tarihvearkeoloji.blogspot.com/?m=1
@@miniehoran6431 you have to dig. Everywhere on the Black Sea shores and inland areas along ancient roads and fortresses if you dig to build house or anything else you find greek artefacts and ruins.
Same in Anatolia and all the way on the shores of Mediterranean towards Alexandria of Egypt.
Peace and respect from Romania.🕊
IB?
I’ve always disliked the term used for the “Byzantine” empire. This is the single biggest factor, imo, many people are unaware that this empire is the eastern half of the Roman Empire that survives through the Middle Ages.
Jeremy Kirkpatrick can you read?
You better cringe at your own comment
ECM cool story bro
Jeremy Kirkpatrick true, but under the komenian dynasty the empire regain the initiative of Asia Minor plus with the help of the crusaders they did recover much of Asia Minor.
Under Justinian, Greek was the language commonly spoken at the imperial court, in the same way as Italian is spoken at the Vatican.
Under Mavrikos, just a few years later, any pretences of "Romanitas" had been given up and Greek became the only official language of the Bizantine state. Latin was still understood, as a Lingua Franca, to deal with the west, but the Bizantine Emperor's were now fully Bizantine, and felt Greeks rather then Romans.
The transition had been going for a couple of centuries, but the Roman Empire died, after a fashion, with Justinian, in the same way as it died under Odovacar in the west, just a century before.
I was there in November 2019. Incredibly beautiful city.
Same here November 2019
900 years later. "We're trying to build a space port here but found remains of a giant subway station and shopping mall. Now we're racing to excavate the site before the space bulldozers come in".
this is so fascinating. when i was a kid i was interested in archeology, but thought that everything had been discovered. i love finding out how wrong i was
We have barely scratched the surface!
This is much more important than a mall and railroad.
Not something you can explain to the turkish govt or its people unfortunately
Charlie Aydin Our government might be irresponsible in terms of maintenance of our historical heritage but for our people, it’s more important than anything we have. We love living above such historical treasure, and we see it as a duty to pass it to next generations. So don’t assume anything about our people with the reputation of our government.
@@darthnox4914 our people? Assumptions?
Both my parents are born in Turkey. Genel olarak, dunyanin en cahil insani olabiliriz.
I know first hand stories of people in Izmir who dig up bones thousands of years old, and cover them up or throw them out so the council doesnt stop their construction.
Charlie Aydin It’s really sad that you’ve lost your trust to your own people. Maybe your bad experiences gave you the such conclusion. But I insist to not call my people nor myself ignorant, there are enough of people, who are aware of the privelages of living this beautiful country with full of history. And I’m also aware of it. Foreign people can mind their own businesses, as they probably have similiar issues in their countries, turkish people are happily taking care of any problem caused by the goverment, as we live in a democratic country, we’re all free to protest, and keeping the welfare of our historical heritage.
@@darthnox4914 thank you for the mature and respectful answer. I am glad to see a that we are not all ignorant in Turkey.
"And with one click of the mouse, the ancient walls reappear" I can tell you it likely took more than hundred of thousands clicks. The effort of spending over 10 years to digitally bring to life a long lost civilization probably deserves more recognition than that.
Much respect to Turkey for their dedication to preserving history and also foresight to try and protect their future.
Really well put together documentary, thanks!
@@GloryToTheUnitedStates6037 many? Yes. Most? Not. İf you proceed to adventure in turkey, you will come across many greek/roman structures and ruins
@@GloryToTheUnitedStates6037 Well, the Spanish burned the books of the Maya, Canada has stripped native children from their families for land, and the US has had a lot history of erasing native culture.
What I saw in the documentary was an impressive adaptation of technology and a strong foundation of librarys and institutions, that's all I was commenting on.
Bravo Turkije
@@GloryToTheUnitedStates6037 Some churchs turned to mosque, because they have not any communitiy. If Ottomans did not turn to mosque, then this buildings collapsed and turned to ruins, but today most of this buildings still stand.
You haven't seen that revolving laser (w. software) thing used at all these sites nowadays?
Just think how much history is buried beneath our feet and we don't even know it.
To be honest i don’t think anyone should know
@sneksnekitsasnek who doesnt?
Almost all of it
@@harrynelson9203 interesting comment
Dj Pat
Wish I could find a gold torque or stash of Roman coins.
As a contract archaeologist. I appreciate that they had the project manager engineer on here. This is the reality of the politics of archaeology.
Its a difficult balancing act between our passion for history and the needs of the living world.. I project manager seemed to be willing to work with the archaeologists to a point, which was nice to see..
At last, modern engineering and archaeology worked together to save important findings dating to Eastern Roman times! The ancient harbor of Theodosius will be covered by a huge transportation network; anyway, it was already out of use because of an earthquake and a tsunami for more of a millennia ago...
Good on the archeologists sticking behind their principles. Although it is a controversial issue regarding the Turkish economy, the international community I would assume greatly appreciates the willingness of the infrastructure company to work in conjunction with archaelogists to ensure that the knowledge of our past is well recorded and preserved as well as possible.
"They said it's dark at night but we are engineers, we can make it lighter than daylight" 😂
"Trust me! I'm an engineer, with epic skills and epic gear!"
14:38 "This program is sponsored by Philips LED and conventional lighting solutions."
@@MWhaleK
Lol
No,trust me I'm a Marine Engineer with more epic skills and the best epic gear. Lol Cheers😁
In my view, the higher up’s forced & led the beginner engineer to comment “we are engineers.. make brighter than...-> was “Inhumane, Insanely ridiculous”. Why? Bcz the archeologist’s comments have earth & human value for hundreds & thousands of years and not the dismal politicians or business or the engineers anywhere in the world THE ARCHEOLOGISTS NEED NATURAL SUNLIGHT TO SHINE ON THE EARTH’s HISTORY.
In my view, the higher up’s forced & led the beginner engineer to comment “we are engineers.. make brighter than...-> was “Inhumane, Insanely ridiculous”. Why? Bcz the archeologist’s comments have earth & human value for hundreds & thousands of years and not the dismal politicians or business or the engineers anywhere in the world THE ARCHEOLOGISTS NEED NATURAL SUNLIGHT TO SHINE ON THE EARTH’s HISTORY.
Thanks so much, i love your program.
sure but arabic sounds r used 4 the music; it is not Turkish sounds, it is arabic sound; so u must take attention about it..
Turkey is so rich in history. If I lived there I'd be digging holes everywhere...
You can dig all you want.. all belong to government. U can’t have them.
Better to stay undigged for now. Our government rn has no appreciation for history that’s not ottoman.
@@KAAN_TR
But soon Constantiniople iis ours again.
So we wil dig as much as we need.
Redbad van Rijn Come and get it.🇹🇷
Well you could dig it but the government claims it and throws it in the "digged up collectibles" bin and does nothing with them unless an organization or museum wants them. Besides i have a website that shows findings in turkey. Some of them are spartan or roman artifacts. The website is in turkish tho, but i will share it anyway :/
LİNK:
tarihvearkeoloji.blogspot.com/?m=1
Fourth Crusade conquered and plundered Constantinople in 1204, Eastern Roman lands were divided between Venice and other Latin warlords. Black Death visited the city ten times between 1347 and 1400. When Constantinople was taken by the Ottomans in 1453 its best days were long gone.
Thats very true. And it makes it even more so impressive that it had once been so great that even in a state of disrepair the young Mehmed felt bad to hand such a city over to plunder
@Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayer "...but the Ottomans (did?)"
Im confused by what you are trying to say. Yes white people did Genocide the Indians, but thats besides the parallel that was being made about land ownership & the tides of culture
@Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayer Empires subdue people and collect tax, that is what they do. That is how they become an empire. Roman Empire was no exception: Incorporating the land held by local warlords and city states to the empire was pretty routine for the Romans. Crushing religion based uprisings were a different story: Roman army had no qualms about annihilating them. Read about fate of Arians and Monophysites after the First Council of Nicaea in 325 and the fate of Paulicians after the Second Council of Nicaea in 787.
Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayer Ottoman allowed other religion to be worship for a small tax but Byzantines persecuted other religion.
Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayer Turks were not forced to convert to Islam but chosen individually or tribally. The medieval and early modern Christian especially persecuted other religions
Constantinople can be very decisive to people. Let's just celebrated that it existed in one form and to one people and gave great things to the world and now exist as another form and to another people and gives wonderful things to the word.
Definitely...you said it right. And is correct about how decisive Istanbul can be. Most loved city for Turks and Greeks, both of them remembered it when was the greatest of all cities and they continue this tale till today make other people believe also about this greatest. And all of them they except everything from the city....
I hope more and more beautiful days for the city of Istanbul and all the different people who lives within...
This documentary is very old though, the undersea tunnel Marmaray was completed ages ago
bahar dan
Ok, but it’s still interesting. Was it paid for by the Chinese?
Is this an old ducomentary but just aired on youtube recently?
This video seems a decade old.
barbara seymour why would the Chinese pay for a Turkish infrastructure?
The age of the documentary makes little difference when the subject matter is centuries old.
One of the main reason I would like to be rich is the ability to be able to travel.
Hey Jesica, you can do whatever you like if you really want to...
I remember watching this episode of Megastructures when I was teenager and bummed that the tunnel episode wasn't finished. I am glad to see all the treasure that was uncovered and that this episode finally found me after a decade or more.
Antiquity from this culture is amazing. If I had enough money and time , I’d be going back to school for a degree in history and archaeology . The idea of being in a library and the field, would be very cool . Thank you for sharing.
great doco, and many thanks to these turkish archaeologists for doing their upmost to preserve the history of their great city!
And if you have been on a dig with protocols, regardless of how you are hired; you are an archaeologist.
They can make a mosque of the rest of Constantinopel.
They will be digging up the new shopping mall in a thousand years
Yeah .... Love turks 😂
Maybe 200 yrs.
lol
hahah for sure ;) thinking what on earth where those people doing?
And proposing hypotheses about what happened to the harbor that was once buried there…
All that beauty and cruelty in one place so very very long ago. Fascinating and wonderful
Excellent program, I used Marmaray tunnel metro in 2018
A beautiful archaeological site that could have attracted a lot of tourism. Try to restore and reconstruct the habour.
I am not coming to Istanbul for a shopping center ..
Is anyone remember the byzantine coin that was featured in Pawn Star ? This is the history behind it . It was a treasure . 😍
8:37 - I'm shocked at how cheap that was compared to the Big Dig in Boston. Great work!!
This is a 2011 episode of 'Nature of things" S51E05, from the Canadian CBC, narrated by the legendary David Suzuki. Why is none of this mentioned????
BoB Smith I noticed that, too!
Canadians always get The Stick
Yes, that's David Suzuki narrating
They stole the syndicated video. What a bunch of theives.
Nothing like digging up the history of a people whose land you've conquered...
To be fair, Anatolia has had many empires and conquerors
@@robwalsh9843 well, Everyone loves to play the victim these days
In college I did a report on the Hittite civilization which was Egypt's main competitor. They were based in Anatolia, and there were people there even before them.
@@robwalsh9843 Correct, but they were not near where Istanbul is now. At least a hundred miles from there.
@@drpureinsanity stop lying and educate yourself first! You know absolutly nothing! Thats what happens when you hide hate behind pseudo historical knowledge
Love Turki from Russia
May be out of this context but archeologist also found Neolithic village remains, graves and footprints of the oldest settlers of Yenikapı village before Byzantium and Constantinople. This was completely changed the history of city.
I really hope Jonathan Bardill also study Trabzon and Sinop together because they are related.
WOW This is really cool. I'm happy that some parts of the ancient history has been preserved. Thank you for sharing.
Historic conscious Engineers and loving archaeologists make excellent partners. Turks are awesome people I know several. So glad to see so much love of history. Will go one day to Istanbul if I can.
The fact that turks are doing these with centuries old enemies, to find THEİR history is breathtaking. Turkey doesnt have to do this, you know. But they want to and so does greece.
@@ALTAI38 What is so funny is that I know several Turks who took DNA tests. They found that they were hardly purely Turkish. They had a mix of Turkish, Greek, Italian, Syrian, Jewish, Arab and much more. Turkey is a melting pot in many ways. Istanbul was not just a Greek city. It had been an international city for more than 1000 years. It was Greek in language, but international in ethnic makeup. Still is.
@@CHAS1422 its obvious for anatolians to get mixed, it really is the center of the world. Besides, turkey may be the least turkic country of our history. The purest turks are either kyrgyz or turkmen, perhaps kazakhs too. There was a code for ottoman sultans that their wives had to be a foreigner. So that breaks the whole dna tree
@si james i actually did! Went there pn holiday and was busy swimming in the 'dead sea' but the city on its own is so stunning!
Magnifico programa, felicitaciones u gracias.
Love your videos thank you so much 😊
Oh my God. That toy boat reminds me a scene from the movie “Troy” 21:50
A huge earthquake was recorded in Roman history. Part of the city sank below sea level. Turkey knew that.
With David Suzuki narrating! Im in!
12:37 It's scary that there would be so many places to hide in a city as dense as this but when it was sacked it would only be a matter of time before the invaders find you...
The area all around the Mediterranean sea must be fascinating.
Byzantines did not rule the World. That citie's history goes way further back, long before the Byzantines. That guys is clueless, new Jerusalem and new Rome?? Those were two very different cities, even diabolically different both symbolically and metaphorically. Wow how can someone say that. Also Turkey just drowned an ancient Kurdish City in the Eastern part of the Country that dated back to 12,000 years, under a dam project. I am not suggesting that these construction projects are politically motivated to permanently erase these ancient reminders of the previous owners of that Country, but they could be more careful not to ruin these sites permanently.
Agreed.
The titles of New Rome and New Jerusalem are not made up by the narrator. The Roman/Byzantine Emperors used that titles for Constantinople... New Rome as the new capital of the Roman Empire and New Jerusalem as to emphasize the Christian religion of this empire. Also the term Jerusalem became very quickly till very late in medieval and Reneasance a term characterizing a city of the God, a Kings city, city rightfull to rule etc....So the narrator is on point and he's not clueless. As far about if they ruled the world, eastern Roman Empire was for quite some time the most powerful state in the known world...
All those things is in history... If you don't like it or disagree that's totally your issue and point on view
@Field__-Marshal-__Flintlock
Just to add on to what Van Mars said, "New Jerusalem" is a term from the New Testament and heavily featured in Christian iconography, praise, poetry, etc. Constantinople (which was officially referred to as "New Rome" in Imperial Edicts, Law codes, church councils, et al) was seen as the capital of both the temporal world, and Christendom/the spiritual world, and was very often considered to be the prophetic "New Jerusalem" by the Romans.
As for "the city that ruled the world," it's a figure of speech(like when some important leader is called "leader of the Free world"), but also was used quite literally in ancient times. Roman writers spoke as if Rome, and later, Constantinople, had subdued the entire inhabited/civilized world. They didn't have the same frame of reference that we do today. They certainly knew of other nations, lands, empires, etc(They were always at war with Persia, and traded annually with India & China) but that didn't change the notion that they ruled the world. Even when the west was lost in the 5th century, or when they lost the vast majority of their territory in the 7th-8th centuries, the idea that Constantinople was the capital of the world, and the queen of cities still remained.
Lastly, this doc isn't about the old Greek colony of Byzantium, or any yet older Neolithic settlements. Old Byzantium was on the tip of the horn, and didn't include the Harbor of Theodosius, Julian, or any of the southern harbors, which is specifically what the video is about. These harbors weren't built until the 4th century.
@UColENAEhXrQwcredMmmLqsA Is not my interpretation about those things, those are historical documentation by byzantinologist and historians. It was never called New Rome or New Jerusalem by its people. Those terms used by the empire and the Greek Orthodox church/Patriarchate of Constantinople... I guess you are not familiar with this culture. Me personally raised in a Greek Orthodox environment never put a thought about those terms because I remember them often in the church...and it was never confusing, it isn't like you say Constantinople is like Rome or like Jerusalem...yes, politically used from the empire and the church to make a point about the new era, the change etc....
About the power now...Byzantine empire lasted for almost thousand years, of course it wasn't the most powerful all this time. The historians make the mark as most powerful from the 4th century till almost 7th century, especially the years of Justinian. It was the time before Islam rise and any major European entity come along. The Byzantine and Sassanids were the two most powerful states at the time. China even though was big and populous and wealthy had always been locked into more introverted policy...while the power is not about how populous you are (is India the most powerful today?) not how big you are (is Russia the most powerful today?) or how wealthy you are (is Switzerland the most powerful ?)..So power is something more complex, is about trade networks, influence, art, technology, significance as religion center, culture, geography, navy etc...So yes the Byzantines for quite some time they were the most powerful
@@histguy101 Two problems that I have with history is firstly its almost always politically motivated, unfortunately even now, and the saying "history is written by the victors" is a sad depressing truth that no true student of history ever wants to really acknowledge. Secondly we have to take out metaphors in history, otherwise it can get very very confusing very fast. For example Herodotus describes the Achaemenid army invading Greece as numbering in hundreds of thousands and says that their supply trains were in the tens of thousands, well obviously those aren't real numbers, but what he is essentially trying to convey is that they had a large army. But we all know that those numbers could not be right, its just not feasible for that time period. So the only unfortunate victim here is the truth, which can get lost.
Why pave it over, why not put in a Glass floor, so people can see what is there, bring it back to life, let people see by information boards etc.. what was there!! Geez, dig it up, quick, hurry we have to build this rail station, never mind it is a hugely important part of history you are finding, we have a time schedule!! Oh, and it's costing us a fortune while we wait in you!! Sickening, absolutely sickening!!
Before the city was named Constantinople, it was called Byzantium. These historians have ignored the entire pre-Christian history of the city.
You are completely right, thank you for pointing that out
Respectfully, I don't think they're ignoring or unaware of that fact. Rather, this documentary is about a specific harbor that was built and active during the Byzantine period. Therefore, that is the focus of all of the discussion. For example, if you made a documentary about the Empire State Building in New York City, you wouldn't necessarily discuss in detail the Dutch colony or native populations that preceded it.
Considering they're digging up/discovering a harbor from the 4th century AD and on wards makes sense they would only talk about it as Constantinople and it's Christian era. Why would they mention it as Byzantium? There's nothing ancient that's being discovered right then and there
That's what they do.. Refer to before dead as bce and after death as ce. Total disregard for history
@@BugbugAdventures It's just a signpost common to most. What's the issue?
I have have to say what a stunning account of what was modern Christian Rome . The people preserving history deserve the world respect . Though what I see in the developing of a modern speedway tunnel and that nasty little man with his helmet as a complete idiot . The entire money would donated through in by multiple countries to keep safe the history of Constantinople and not Istanbul, namely Turky. Utterly amazing to see this amount of effort put in to what’s one of the oldest kingdoms in the world 🌎. Truly stunning
I live in Seattle, WA and we had something like this happen but at a very small scale. We were using the same tunneling machines to build our new express tunnel and kept hitting buildings that were not on any maps from the early years of Seattle and the Alaskan Gold Rush. Then there was all the debris from the Great Fire that added years to the project. I can only imagine it at this scale .
19:40 You're not pointing at the Golden Horn. That's the Sea of Marmara.
A moment before that he did point correctly at the Golden Horn. So that’s seems to be a simple slip of the tongue. A verbal typo. Or vypo 🤣
1:41 Come on, will they ever get tired of adding arabic music to videos about Turkey?
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Yeah we are not ARABS, I follow Ataturk and his atheist aproach on everything
Well, apparently they aren't getting tired of it. 😩
@@okk2776 he for real cared about being a turk, not being muslim. Big difference there. We called arabs as our brothers, but those betrayed us. Now our real brothers in central asia needs help but we are too weak to do something
or australian aborinal digeridoos???
@Anonymous wtf did I say nationalist means atheism? you must be delusional, and yes he did have a more atheist approach
Excellent!
The crusaders made some big mistakes
@Irish Patriot "only that they lost"
And that they made constantinople feeble by taking it over. Thereby letting it fall to ottomans later.
The Byzantines weren't nice people. Just ask Enrico Dandolo whom the Byzantines blinded...
@kosta203 Enrico Dandalo wouldn't have planned to sack Constantinople had not the Byzantines gave him a reason...
Bring in the Time Team; they could do it in three days!
I don't think in a few hundred years anyone would find our way of plastic life interesting, love that fellas enthusiasm
I love the service
I hope the new tunnel is earthquake proof as the Istanbul area is seismically very active -I think two fracture lines intersect there and even the dome of the Hagia Sophia church collapsed in an earthquake not long after it was constructed -it had to be rebuilt!
Canadian geographer said it might be happening in next twenty years
Few things more interesting than archeology!
THAT'S BYZANTIUM'S CONSTANTINOPLE.. 💕
Insatiable desire of archaeologists to gather useless in formation, assumes me. They gather it, box it, and then forget it, leaving it all, to gather dust, in some museum basement.
The first name I found was Byzantium which is associated with Greece but I don't know what it was before that. Probably not Istanbul which isn't yet a century old.
Actually it goes like this Byzos, Byzantium, constantinople, istanbul.
It was originally a thracian town. Then became Greek, roman, Turkish in that order
The ancient city of Byzantium was build at the 7th century BC from Greeks of the city of Megara as a colony. According to greek mythology wasn't any settlement there but there was one in the Asian side of the Bosporus (the other side of today Istanbul).
@@vanmars5718 I recall it was a thracian town before Greeks took over.
@@zarni000 According to what source? Literally tell me one substantial real solid source about that....it was never a settlement at the tip of the horn where the Byzantium was built
Cant stand an apple
I just can't help but think of They Might Be Giants song, Istanbul. lol
Amazing
I've sat on top of one of the stones at stone henge on the summer solstice.
Guys, what you discovered there has nothing to do with The Ottoman history. But it is a treasure much older. Please, do not destroy it. :(
So they finally found him, god damn fantastic! Mistery unsolved
Found who?
@Jeff Watson CALM DOWN!!!!!!
NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES IN GOD!!!!!!
@Jeff Watson Grow up
@Jeff Watson non-existent characters can be cursed any time. As they (duh!) don't exist. And if you write your fairy tales in all-caps, they still remain fairy tales. About magic. In the 21st century.
by the way, based on the bible and all the crimes in it, that god (concept) deserves all the cursing he gets
@Jeff Watson no, I won't. But I am all ears (eyes) here: What kind of experience do you have about dying and the afterlife? With evidence, obviously.
- wow, we found an ancient brick from 18th century
- hold me beer. (digs and discovers a whole ancient harbour including boats, skeletons and all other artifacts)
RIP Hagia Sofia
Why rip?
@Joe Money now?? it was muslim since it fell to the muslims since 15th century. from 6th century to 15th century it was a church, from 15th century to 20th century it was a mosque, over the past 80 years it became a museum and now a mosque again. IT WILL NEVER become a church ever again, same like the 6th century mosque in cordoba Spain
@Joe Money it's a MOSQUE
@@Den_Watts actually Muslims do scream now and then about making certain sites into mosques again
@phantom a MOSQUE will stay as a MOSQUE, and not as museum or church
That’s a DISASTER waiting to happen.
Do anyone know this song's name? 27:10
My friend there was no Roman port it was GREEK ....have you heard Ionia.....and for ur information and the four temples under a gia Sofia Greek to....
Greeks are so jealous jeez all you find pride in is your nation and past generations their glory that is long gone
Ρωμαίικος Στόλος εμένα λες ανιστόρητο....είσαι γελοίος
Except cheap comment anything productive based on facts idiots .....how you feeling even ur alphabet to be based on the Greek one
Irish Patriot at list my friend we have the BC...and u know since back then we use to have two store houses and toilets with water we didn’t use to wipe our arses with stones
Ρωμαίικος Στόλος Βυζαντος...από εδώ μετέπειτα έδωσαν το όνομα Βυζάντιο Γάλλοι και βαβαροι λογιοι όπως ο Ιερωνιμος βολφ....ο Βυζαντος λοιπών ήταν αποικία των Μεγαρεων....ουδεμία σχέση έχει η Ανατολική ρωμαϊκή αυτοκρατορία με τον Ελληνισμό....οι μόνοι που ευημέρησαν όπως εσυ ανάφερες πριν νομίζω ήταν οι Πόντιοι ανάφερες Ρωμηλια....η Ελλάδα ήταν κάτω απλά από τον ζυγό...κατάγομαι από λακωνια και όπως ξέρεις ο μηστρας ήταν κύριος το μέρος που στέφονται οι νέοι αυτοκράτορες ...στο χωριό μου υπήρχαν πολλές βυζαντινές εκκλησίες πρησκινηταρια των αυτοκρατόρων....ήμασταν απλά σκλάβοι.....απλά μεταγενέστερα λόγω του ότι και μονών μετά από την άλωση το ελληνιστικό στοιχείο άνθησε λόγω της μεταφοράς πληθυσμών από την κυρίως Ελλάδα....
04:38 Yeah yeah, exactly like the Tunnel-boring machines they used to cut the Channel Tunnel to connect Britain and France by rail in the 1980s, like wow.
He meant under Istanbul
Its Constantinople.Get some dignity and name things that you create not steal.
Istanbul ❤️
@Flask Legacy Nah.
Finds like the Oillamps is not spectaculär. KeramicOillamps where a industriell Produkt.1000 over 1000 Oillamps where found in Europe.
Rome lives on we never died out completely . Annuit Novus Ordo
I argue Moscow is the New Rome... since that was what Moscow was established for...
@@user-fl7yh5fw5b Doesn't matter. Everyone wants to he the "Third" Rome for no apparent reason than to harp on a dead state which is a textbook example of an empire's life cycle...
This is why when you find artifacts like this on a giant project... you probably should just... not see it.
Otherwise the project will never get done.
Awesome
Only though a pandemic do we get good history documentary's.
Earthquakes, Tsunamis - Meh, build the tunnel, what could go wrong?
Cool content but good god is the script padded
Which port was it? The Harbor of Julian? The Harbor of Theodosius?
Who's watching in 2020👍
2021
Is the narrator David Suzuki!?!
Yes this is a 2011 doc originally called “the Emperors Lost Harbour” available on CBC Gem app in Canada. It kind of annoys me that they try to pretend they arent ripping it off otherwise I’d keep my mouth shut
I like it do more Daniel Gent BE
Ah and David Suzuki the narrator.
Constantinople❤❤❤❤
Is that David Suzuki I hear?
20 seconds black screen and more than once… Somebody needs an update course.
This is The Nature of Things, narrated by David Suzuki. Mention it in your bio you plagarizers!
Could someone please provide some evidence, point to some sources, human slaves were traded during the reign of Theodosius in the Eastern Roman Empire? I would really appreciate it.
Slaves were traded even much later. Basil ii was reported to have at least 6 if I recall correctly. And others had way more.
I just watched a program yesterday about Roman slaves. They were paid for their work and allowed to get rich and after thet to apply for Roman citizenship. But their citizenship was only recognized if they have child born in the Roman city.
Every City had white stone bord where the name of the borne child withe name of the parents was noticed... (like you can go in the center of the City and read the names of all citizens in the City)and every document was made on three black small bords to protect against any corruption.
Isn't that absolutely look like today society?
And all the fighting is about the territory, as always.
Isn't it pronounced: Biz In Teen
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‘remote control helicopter’
I’m so confused by this channel. This doc was originally on CBC Canada and the narrator is a bit of a hero here. Do they have some kinda licence to repackage documentaries? I can respect a rip off but why do they make it seem legit by tacking that weird guy on at the start? Is he the original director?
Who is the narrator? I love his voice and remember him but not his name.
Roger San Antonio David Suzuki. Came and spoke at my school once a long time ago. Great guy
👍 wow, that's amazing, thank you so much
lol this is their documentary. conan obriens show plays on tbs i think but they still upload on youtube as conan not tbs. Its the difference between the network and the production company. probably a longer cut for internet instead of tv
@@khangarraty727 lol no it's not. Did you bother to check? Timeline is just a brand name for this UA-cam channel. They probably don't make any of this content. PTV produced this doc for CBC. So many brand names involved-they probably just have a complicated licensing deal to post older content from CBC that's no longer available on their app. Anyhow I was watching on a TV app so it didn't show all the info they posted under "SHOW MORE" Now that I'm on a computer I can see all of it.
It's Borat voice 😂😂2:38
Ow is it a Brit was needed to introduce Canada’s David Suzuki?
people will only be travelling one way and will all know what way that will be....
daviskaya100 which way daviskaya
Neil Smith yes Neil is true they are killing christians with th weapon we the west are giving to them
@Neil Smith I've visited Turkey 3 times in the past 10 years. I've never felt unsafe at any point. On one of the trips the airline lost our luggage and everyone (at the airport, the hotel and the local shops) was very friendly and sympathetic and helpful.
So, you're saying that Christianity is a threat to Middle-eastern countries?
But only if you declare it at Customs? Sees to me that the solution is not to declare it at Customs then?
I am resident in istanbul so still there is the remain of byztaine of empire such wall
Is that David Suzuki??
Imagine how it would have been without constant invasions
Said every empire ever
@Terry Hall
Most likely, it would have been like modern day Athens or at best like modern day Rome ... so no major loss ...
Love ottoman and Turk ... Long live brother
It's İstanbul now.
Wow
Islam and the Slav invasion ended this first golden age of New Rome. It took almost 2 centuries for it to recover, around the era of Basil II.