The multi-national corporate firm of The SDA GC is myopically focused on statistics of increasing the quantity of warm behinds in the pews (or names added to the membership roles) rather than bringing more persons to Jesus, to love & emulate Him. Too much religion and not enough of Jesus' "Go and do thou likewise..."
The local Battle Creek, Michigan SDA church(flagship church) recently received its mandated change in pastors,and immediatly the new change in guard went about aquiring 150,000 $ debt to remodel the front of the sanctuary were the leaders sit and minister from.The monthly finances show a consistent 25,000$ loss.To help recoup these losses in the bulletin each week the Adventist Community Services,connected to the church,asks members to come once a week and bring a friend to learn hoe to sew and crochet,and make crafts.THE ACS has a federal deal where for each person who spends the 2 and a half hours participating,ACS gete 23 dollars a hour grant money.What a scheme.
Fred interesting. I used to attend the tab and I watched a few UA-cam lately on location at tabernacle and there were maybe 30 new missionaries being sent out. The church was empty Saturday morning service. Balconies empty In the 70s it was all packed
@@stephencoe2231 I think most of the today from what I just saw was focusing on the Academys health.THE Michigan conference won't let any outreach activities be perfor.ed on site ,they say because of church/ state issues.The members have developed a relationship with a activity center owned by the Asian community that let the local Adventist church use its facility's to hold events like giving food,dental work,clothes to those in need.This SDA membership has its heart in the right place but because of politics and economics nowadays your on your own.I view most laity Avventist as doing the best they can,like all of us.
Appreciated many of the points made in the interview. However, I don’t understand the softness towards EGW when so many have been hurt by her writings. There seems to be this desire to not criticize Adventism and think the best of EGW …. While saying we should ignore her. It seems that maybe being from the west coast subculture of Adventism… he was raised in the milk toast version of SDAs….
After I’d been doing this for a few years I stumbled across it. And loved it! I do see some parallels. Hopefully in a few weeks we will have Dr John on the program with me! Watch this space!
So cool, I think that people in religious environments, tend to behave just about the same once one crosses a certain line, the difference in when severity of treatment kicks in, depends on where the line is. Some have very narrow line ( SDA, Mormon, conservative evangelicals, etc) the responses to apostasy are swift and cruel. “But it’s ok because God said we can.” Being cruel is rebranded as protecting, responsible action, justice etc. I really liked this episode. Thanks a lot.
According to EGW, SDAs cannot be so selfish as to go do what they want ~ "Time is Short" ~ "The End is Near"~ "We must labour with all our strength for The Kingdom." "Special guitar wood???? How worldly. Give that money to the Church, for The Cause". (Civil War Era mentality). I don't think EGW approved of may musical instruments.
aarON. The word "rested" in Gen 2:2 ,3 is the word SHABBATH in Heb . Gen 8:4 the word " rested" is another word ( nuach HEB ) . Gods law is eternal as God is Psa 111:7-10 . 5he 4th precept is an integral part of this law that cant be changed or abolished or it would not then be eternal. Isa 66:22-24.. Jesus came to reconcile us back to God and obedienece to the laws of His kingdom STOP FIGHTING GOD and surrender to Him. People who h keep the laws of His kingdom will have the right to the tree of Liffe restored back to them Rev 22:11- 14.
I think this guy doesn't understand Calvinism. I think he is confusing Calvinism with Hyper-Calvinism. Anyone who thinks actual Calvinism is illogical and unbiblical, either doesn't understand their own depravity and sinfulness or they want to be God of their own life.
Didn’t Calvin have someone out to death? I’m pretty sure no matter how good his ‘teachings’ were, that this kind of action would have permeated all of his ideology. Which doesn’t make that too appealing to me. Thoughts?
@@danwilsonpastor it's a common misconception that Calvinists don't believe in freewill, but Calvinists do believe in free will but it's a free will towards sin. We are totally deprived and can freely choose whatever wickedness we want to do, but due to our totally depraved state we cannot seek after God or righteousness. We only can do good because of God working on us. Those who are saved are only saved because God reached in and pulled them out. Every evil act is sovereignly decreed to take place not because God made us do it (which is the hyper Calvinist view) but because God allowed us to do it through our own fallen sinful will and desire. You can actually be both a Calvinist and Molinist at the same because they are both compatible with each other, because a molinist believes God uses middle knowledge to carefully craft the universe through our free choices, while the Calvinist can believe that God uses middle knowledge to know what evil to allow and what evil to squash out before it happens. If something good can come from an evil action God might allow it (like the crucifixion of Christ) for the greater good that comes out of it, thus making it his sovereign decree because he could have stopped it. With hyper-Calvinism God forces every action and thus he becomes the author of evil. All a traditional Calvinist is believing is that they lack the natural ability to come to God on their own thus God is fully responsible for saving them. Just because we have freewill does not mean we will naturally choose to make certain decisions unless acted on by an external force. It's just someone who doesn't like avocados; they can freely choose to eat avocados but they never would because they hate them, unless they are acted upon by an outside force (brain injury, doctors advise, money incentive etc.) they will never desire to eat them. It works the same way with our fallen sinful nature, we will never choose God unless God first acts on us. Again anyone who thinks Calvinism is not at least logically possible and aligns with scripture without contradicting it, either doesn't know that they lack the ability to choose God without God taking the first step, or they know they cannot choose God on their own but they like the idea of themselves being able to write history and take the full credit for saving themselves by being able to choose Jesus for themselves.
@@SDAQandA Calvinism is simply the name we give the belief of monergistic, predestination/election. It doesn't mean you are a follower of John Calvin or even read his writings. Just because someone did something wrong/evil and were wrong on other things does not mean everything that person believed/taught/discovered is wrong also. Just because Adolf Hitler was evil does not mean his views on gravity, mathematics, physics, engineering etc. are all wrong. Same goes for any of the reformers or Christian scholars/theologians of the past; they can be wrong in one area and write in another. By the way I've never read any of John Calvin's work. Also many of the other reformers held the same or a similar view to Calvin on predestination, we just chose to use his name to describe the soteriological theory.
Don Cinnitti is saying things FA s wouldnt want to hear . Because of reading EGW from youth it has kept me xlose to Jesus . Breaking the 4th command is as bad as breaking thw rest God makes a covenat for continued erernal life on CONDITION of obedience Gen 2:16,17 . People have been given a choice life or death . God wants us to choose life Read John3:17-10
cindiloowhoo. Paul said a🎉 crown of righteousness will be given to those who love His appearing It would seem there are people who wpould rather Jeaus NOT to come as the people before the flood. What is wrong with helping prepare people for the great day of God
I really appreciate this interview - Don definitely speaks my language. Great work Peter and Don !!
The multi-national corporate firm of The SDA GC is myopically focused on statistics of increasing the quantity of warm behinds in the pews (or names added to the membership roles) rather than bringing more persons to Jesus, to love & emulate Him. Too much religion and not enough of Jesus' "Go and do thou likewise..."
The local Battle Creek, Michigan SDA church(flagship church) recently received its mandated change in pastors,and immediatly the new change in guard went about aquiring 150,000 $ debt to remodel the front of the sanctuary were the leaders sit and minister from.The monthly finances show a consistent 25,000$ loss.To help recoup these losses in the bulletin each week the Adventist Community Services,connected to the church,asks members to come once a week and bring a friend to learn hoe to sew and crochet,and make crafts.THE ACS has a federal deal where for each person who spends the 2 and a half hours participating,ACS gete 23 dollars a hour grant money.What a scheme.
Fred interesting. I used to attend the tab and I watched a few UA-cam lately on location at tabernacle and there were maybe 30 new missionaries being sent out. The church was empty Saturday morning service. Balconies empty
In the 70s it was all packed
The cross is not the seal. Holy Spirit is the seal of salvation Sir.
@@stephencoe2231 I think most of the today from what I just saw was focusing on the Academys health.THE Michigan conference won't let any outreach activities be perfor.ed on site ,they say because of church/ state issues.The members have developed a relationship with a activity center owned by the Asian community that let the local Adventist church use its facility's to hold events like giving food,dental work,clothes to those in need.This SDA membership has its heart in the right place but because of politics and economics nowadays your on your own.I view most laity Avventist as doing the best they can,like all of us.
Don, my offer still stands. I'll be in Riverside in October and would love to share a meal with you, my treat!
Sounds like fun to dish re some skeletons besides Elder Edsel's Ezekiel's Dry Bones visiting Pastors' Sermon!
Forgivenessis not synonymous with Forgetting.
Appreciated many of the points made in the interview. However, I don’t understand the softness towards EGW when so many have been hurt by her writings. There seems to be this desire to not criticize Adventism and think the best of EGW …. While saying we should ignore her. It seems that maybe being from the west coast subculture of Adventism… he was raised in the milk toast version of SDAs….
You make a good point James!
This shows sounds a little bit like Mormon stories podcast, are you familiar with it ?
After I’d been doing this for a few years I stumbled across it. And loved it! I do see some parallels. Hopefully in a few weeks we will have Dr John on the program with me! Watch this space!
So cool, I think that people in religious environments, tend to behave just about the same once one crosses a certain line, the difference in when severity of treatment kicks in, depends on where the line is. Some have very narrow line ( SDA, Mormon, conservative evangelicals, etc) the responses to apostasy are swift and cruel. “But it’s ok because God said we can.” Being cruel is rebranded as protecting, responsible action, justice etc.
I really liked this episode. Thanks a lot.
According to EGW, SDAs cannot be so selfish as to go do what they want ~ "Time is Short" ~ "The End is Near"~ "We must labour with all our strength for The Kingdom."
"Special guitar wood???? How worldly. Give that money to the Church, for The Cause". (Civil War Era mentality). I don't think EGW approved of may musical instruments.
You can't be born again without the proper God
Which god? :) :) :)
@@SDAQandA yeah exactly
@@SDAQandA the SDA God has to be vindicated by humans and the Son is at war where's satan what
Is that a book title - Facets, etc?
No. But what a good idea. Need to make it more pithy though lol
Why do adventist have such a problem with Calvinism? Nobody gets mad at a paramedic or lifeguard when he saves a person.
I missed the chat ... Drat - Peepers had to sleep ~
aarON. The word "rested" in Gen 2:2 ,3 is the word SHABBATH in Heb . Gen 8:4 the word " rested" is another word ( nuach HEB ) . Gods law is eternal as God is Psa 111:7-10 . 5he 4th precept is an integral part of this law that cant be changed or abolished or it would not then be eternal. Isa 66:22-24.. Jesus came to reconcile us back to God and obedienece to the laws of His kingdom STOP FIGHTING GOD and surrender to Him. People who h keep the laws of His kingdom will have the right to the tree of Liffe restored back to them Rev 22:11- 14.
Should you all be more active in converting sdas to Christ instead of trying to rebuild a dead cult?
Can't see how that dialogue would be of anyone's spiritual benefit.
Don’t listen then :)
Am confuse. Why you need to struggle being a christian as adventist when you obey and follow christ? You are just confusing your viewers.
I’m not struggling. My suggestion is that Adventists struggle being Christian because so many of their doctrines are unbiblical. 🎉🎉🎉
@@SDAQandA You saying that doctrines are unbiblical does not make it so.
@@ronaldbeaton3524- no. Me saying it doesn’t make it so. Them being unbiblical says it very clearly even without my endorsement :) :)
I think this guy doesn't understand Calvinism. I think he is confusing Calvinism with Hyper-Calvinism. Anyone who thinks actual Calvinism is illogical and unbiblical, either doesn't understand their own depravity and sinfulness or they want to be God of their own life.
Please explain
Didn’t Calvin have someone out to death? I’m pretty sure no matter how good his ‘teachings’ were, that this kind of action would have permeated all of his ideology. Which doesn’t make that too appealing to me. Thoughts?
@@danwilsonpastor it's a common misconception that Calvinists don't believe in freewill, but Calvinists do believe in free will but it's a free will towards sin. We are totally deprived and can freely choose whatever wickedness we want to do, but due to our totally depraved state we cannot seek after God or righteousness. We only can do good because of God working on us. Those who are saved are only saved because God reached in and pulled them out. Every evil act is sovereignly decreed to take place not because God made us do it (which is the hyper Calvinist view) but because God allowed us to do it through our own fallen sinful will and desire. You can actually be both a Calvinist and Molinist at the same because they are both compatible with each other, because a molinist believes God uses middle knowledge to carefully craft the universe through our free choices, while the Calvinist can believe that God uses middle knowledge to know what evil to allow and what evil to squash out before it happens. If something good can come from an evil action God might allow it (like the crucifixion of Christ) for the greater good that comes out of it, thus making it his sovereign decree because he could have stopped it.
With hyper-Calvinism God forces every action and thus he becomes the author of evil. All a traditional Calvinist is believing is that they lack the natural ability to come to God on their own thus God is fully responsible for saving them. Just because we have freewill does not mean we will naturally choose to make certain decisions unless acted on by an external force. It's just someone who doesn't like avocados; they can freely choose to eat avocados but they never would because they hate them, unless they are acted upon by an outside force (brain injury, doctors advise, money incentive etc.) they will never desire to eat them. It works the same way with our fallen sinful nature, we will never choose God unless God first acts on us.
Again anyone who thinks Calvinism is not at least logically possible and aligns with scripture without contradicting it, either doesn't know that they lack the ability to choose God without God taking the first step, or they know they cannot choose God on their own but they like the idea of themselves being able to write history and take the full credit for saving themselves by being able to choose Jesus for themselves.
@@bradleyhite3476 thanks for that thorough explanation. I appreciate it. I will give it some thought before asking any more questions. 👍
@@SDAQandA Calvinism is simply the name we give the belief of monergistic, predestination/election. It doesn't mean you are a follower of John Calvin or even read his writings.
Just because someone did something wrong/evil and were wrong on other things does not mean everything that person believed/taught/discovered is wrong also. Just because Adolf Hitler was evil does not mean his views on gravity, mathematics, physics, engineering etc. are all wrong. Same goes for any of the reformers or Christian scholars/theologians of the past; they can be wrong in one area and write in another. By the way I've never read any of John Calvin's work. Also many of the other reformers held the same or a similar view to Calvin on predestination, we just chose to use his name to describe the soteriological theory.
Mormons pray to Jesus.
🤣😂
Don Cinnitti is saying things FA s wouldnt want to hear . Because of reading EGW from youth it has kept me xlose to Jesus . Breaking the 4th command is as bad as breaking thw rest God makes a covenat for continued erernal life on CONDITION of obedience Gen 2:16,17 . People have been given a choice life or death . God wants us to choose life Read John3:17-10
The word sabbath isn’t found anywhere in genesis
Which will be in heaven? Not the car or dog helper. Atheist can do good works. Should they meet Jesus personally for salvation they will be in heaven.
cindiloowhoo. Paul said a🎉 crown of righteousness will be given to those who love His appearing It would seem there are people who wpould rather Jeaus NOT to come as the people before the flood. What is wrong with helping prepare people for the great day of God