I found this video quite fascinating! I'm with you...why spend so much money on recasting the same thing but different. 🤔 Thank you for this extremely interesting video, you are mostly one of the few people that own enough variations of these parts to show the differences between them. 👍👍👍
Hey Alvin, yeah, its weird why they did what they did. Yeah, Ive still have a lot of crap left over from my shop in LA. Stuff Ill probably never sell. I often wonder what will happen to all of it when Im gone.
I also found this video quite fascinating to! thank you for going in depth with this. Is a 66 with cruise control steering wheel and a c6 trans have different detent plates and turn signal switches? also where is the neutral safety switch located with c6 trans and cruise? please post more videos! 😁😇 you are awesome!
Hey Thank you Youngvintagecarlover, I appreciate that. The 66 with cruise and C6 has the same detent as the others. That part of the car is not different, only the electronics and those pieces that need to hold the different electronics are different like steering wheel and PRNDL hub. The shift lever and shift hub and shift tube are all the same. All 1966 C6 Thunderbirds have 2 neutral safety switches, one on the trans that is the real neutral safety switch, and one on the steering column, same neutral safety switch as on the 64 and 65 and 66 with the cruisomatic trans, that just operates the emergency brake. Something needs to release the emergency brake so they just left that neutral safety switch there on C6 cars. They are different in design of course too. Thanks.
Hello Nick. Very interesting observations on your part. I think the engineers make some of those changes to keep their jobs! Lol. Seems like you always find brackets and such that look to be the same, but just not quite the same. George B
Hey George, yeah, theres a lot of stuff like that. I think your right, it makes more sense that they were probably just making things up to keep their jobs. Who knows. Thanks.
Hi Nick more questions, how were you able to tell the window relay and the window switches were bad on the black 66 convertible? How were you able to bypass the relay and window switches in order to get them to go up and down? I thought I saw some alligator clip jumper wires used? Thank you so much! ☺👋👌🙌🌳🌴
Hey Youngvintagecarlover, there are a few ways to see if something is not working electrically. If you push on a window switch and hear nothing, and look at the amp meter and see no movement, chances are there is no power to the window switches. If there is no power to the window switches, it is always the relay. The relay has 3 wires going to it. Looking at the relay from the front of the car, it has 3 wires, one on the left, one in the center and one on the right. Jump the one in the center to the one on the right and your bypassing the relay. The window switches were also bad so I pulled out the window switch plate, unplugged the plate and jumped across the plugs on the car coming out of the center console.
Back again Nick, you know on those 1964 detents I think you found 2, possibly 3 of them with one of the end tabs broken off. I'm betting Ford engineers realized this was a potential problem and that is why they made those end tabs heavier on the '65/66 detents - to prevent them from breaking off. I don't know why the other revisions to the detents were made on the '65/66 part, but I'm sure they had their reasons! God bless, Scott
Hi Nick, interesting observations my friend. I'm certain the '66 steering hub with the C6SA engineering number prefix was as you said, for a car equipped with cruise control as that was unique to '66 with the special steering wheel. The transmission gear selector lever in my friend's '64 (23,000 miles) is sloppy, so I'm certain the lever has the notch worn into it and needs to be removed/repaired. I plan on doing that for her in the near future. Aren't the detents usually fine? Seems to me it is the shift levers that typically have the wear damage and not the detent. What's your experience regarding that? Thanks, Scott
Hey Nick, i think my detent may be worn, my gear locations are off, they are farther to the right my reverse is almost on the N, neutral is on the small dot, alternate drive is over the big dot where the normal drive position should be and normal drive is over the L. I have to kinda force the gear selector down past L to put the car in low. Is this a detent problem, worn gear selector lever, or transmission linkage problem. Thanks!
Hey Mike, normally this is both a lower steering column bushing issue and shift lever issue. Sometimes even the shift linkage will cause this also. Lower steering column bushing first, shift lever second, shift linkage third. Assuming of course that you have a 64-66 Thunderbird.
Hey Nick i do so appreciate your channel, i was watching your video on changing the master cylinder and my master don't slip in like the one you were working on. And my ajustment nut is backed off as far as it can, i can barely see just a part of that shaft inside the master. And i have quite a bit off play on the petal, any suggestions. 8/23/2024, 3:05 pm
Pedal play or a low pedal is always for several reasons. 1. the rod that goes into the back of the master cylinder is adjusted incorrectly. 2. the brake shoes are not adjusted properly. 3. there is air in the brake hydraulic system. In some cases, things are not put together properly, parts are missing or incorrect. Ive seen both. I cant really think of any other reason for a low pedal unless its for some really obscure situation. Normally its one of the above. Thank you and good luck.
64s have 2 different one year only turn signal switches. A 7 wire and a ten wire. Also a one year only steering wheel because the back side has a different horn brush plate. 64s, like 61s and 58s and 67s have a lot of first year of body style one year only castings. I am wondering if the detent plates were redesigned due to them breaking off that ear. The 65-66 redesign seems to have that tab wider than 64.
Yes, your stats are correct. 64's are weird to say the least. I really cant figure out why they redesigned the detent unless they just decided they did it wrong in the first place??? Who knows what these guys were thinking.
I found this video quite fascinating!
I'm with you...why spend so much money on recasting the same thing but different. 🤔
Thank you for this extremely interesting video, you are mostly one of the few people that own enough variations of these parts to show the differences between them. 👍👍👍
Hey Alvin, yeah, its weird why they did what they did. Yeah, Ive still have a lot of crap left over from my shop in LA. Stuff Ill probably never sell. I often wonder what will happen to all of it when Im gone.
I also found this video quite fascinating to!
thank you for going in depth with this. Is a 66 with cruise control steering wheel and a c6 trans have different detent plates and turn signal switches? also where is the neutral safety switch located with c6 trans and cruise?
please post more videos! 😁😇 you are awesome!
Hey Thank you Youngvintagecarlover, I appreciate that. The 66 with cruise and C6 has the same detent as the others. That part of the car is not different, only the electronics and those pieces that need to hold the different electronics are different like steering wheel and PRNDL hub. The shift lever and shift hub and shift tube are all the same. All 1966 C6 Thunderbirds have 2 neutral safety switches, one on the trans that is the real neutral safety switch, and one on the steering column, same neutral safety switch as on the 64 and 65 and 66 with the cruisomatic trans, that just operates the emergency brake. Something needs to release the emergency brake so they just left that neutral safety switch there on C6 cars. They are different in design of course too. Thanks.
Hello Nick. Very interesting observations on your part. I think the engineers make some of those changes to keep their jobs! Lol. Seems like you always find brackets and such that look to be the same, but just not quite the same.
George B
Hey George, yeah, theres a lot of stuff like that. I think your right, it makes more sense that they were probably just making things up to keep their jobs. Who knows. Thanks.
Hi Nick more questions, how were you able to tell the window relay and the window switches were bad on the black 66 convertible? How were you able to bypass the relay and window switches in order to get them to go up and down? I thought I saw some alligator clip jumper wires used?
Thank you so much! ☺👋👌🙌🌳🌴
Hey Youngvintagecarlover, there are a few ways to see if something is not working electrically. If you push on a window switch and hear nothing, and look at the amp meter and see no movement, chances are there is no power to the window switches. If there is no power to the window switches, it is always the relay. The relay has 3 wires going to it. Looking at the relay from the front of the car, it has 3 wires, one on the left, one in the center and one on the right. Jump the one in the center to the one on the right and your bypassing the relay. The window switches were also bad so I pulled out the window switch plate, unplugged the plate and jumped across the plugs on the car coming out of the center console.
Back again Nick, you know on those 1964 detents I think you found 2, possibly 3 of them with one of the end tabs broken off. I'm betting Ford engineers realized this was a potential problem and that is why they made those end tabs heavier on the '65/66 detents - to prevent them from breaking off. I don't know why the other revisions to the detents were made on the '65/66 part, but I'm sure they had their reasons! God bless, Scott
Thanks Scott. Yeah, who knows why they did what they did. There were a lot of drugs back then so maybe thats the reason??? lol
Hi Nick, interesting observations my friend. I'm certain the '66 steering hub with the C6SA engineering number prefix was as you said, for a car equipped with cruise control as that was unique to '66 with the special steering wheel. The transmission gear selector lever in my friend's '64 (23,000 miles) is sloppy, so I'm certain the lever has the notch worn into it and needs to be removed/repaired. I plan on doing that for her in the near future. Aren't the detents usually fine? Seems to me it is the shift levers that typically have the wear damage and not the detent. What's your experience regarding that? Thanks, Scott
Hey Scott, yes, the detents are almost never bad. Ive seen a few, and like this one, it was broken. Very rare to see that. Its always the shift arm.
Hey Nick, i think my detent may be worn, my gear locations are off, they are farther to the right my reverse is almost on the N, neutral is on the small dot, alternate drive is over the big dot where the normal drive position should be and normal drive is over the L. I have to kinda force the gear selector down past L to put the car in low. Is this a detent problem, worn gear selector lever, or transmission linkage problem. Thanks!
Hey Mike, normally this is both a lower steering column bushing issue and shift lever issue. Sometimes even the shift linkage will cause this also. Lower steering column bushing first, shift lever second, shift linkage third. Assuming of course that you have a 64-66 Thunderbird.
Hey Nick i do so appreciate your channel, i was watching your video on changing the master cylinder and my master don't slip in like the one you were working on. And my ajustment nut is backed off as far as it can, i can barely see just a part of that shaft inside the master. And i have quite a bit off play on the petal, any suggestions. 8/23/2024, 3:05 pm
Pedal play or a low pedal is always for several reasons. 1. the rod that goes into the back of the master cylinder is adjusted incorrectly. 2. the brake shoes are not adjusted properly. 3. there is air in the brake hydraulic system. In some cases, things are not put together properly, parts are missing or incorrect. Ive seen both. I cant really think of any other reason for a low pedal unless its for some really obscure situation. Normally its one of the above. Thank you and good luck.
Ok Nick i think i need a phone call, up to my neck in brake issues
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64s have 2 different one year only turn signal switches. A 7 wire and a ten wire. Also a one year only steering wheel because the back side has a different horn brush plate. 64s, like 61s and 58s and 67s have a lot of first year of body style one year only castings.
I am wondering if the detent plates were redesigned due to them breaking off that ear. The 65-66 redesign seems to have that tab wider than 64.
Yes, your stats are correct. 64's are weird to say the least. I really cant figure out why they redesigned the detent unless they just decided they did it wrong in the first place??? Who knows what these guys were thinking.