Roku's Data Breach Nightmare & Forced Arbitration Scandal, Why They Held Your TV Hostage
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Wat I really love ve is, Rossman KNOWS all this, he's a tech guy, he dosnt for a second consider buying the coffee machine that needs wifi
But he knows there selling it to someone
All he's frustration here is for how BS and unfair these companies r being. Vids like this, he's got no dog in the race, he's just angry someone out there is being cheated and screwed
If I am ok with someone fucking over my neighbor, someone else will be ok when you fuck over me. We always have a dog in that race, even if we think we don't.
sure, but "selling something to someone" can lead you to all sorts of weird ideas: for example, i don't need big oled tv or coffee machine hooked to internet, or drugs bought on the street.
but...some (think they) do. all 3 of those things.
you can't teach people to be smart (with their money).
oh yeah, i don't need streaming services either. or tcl tvs. it's not like every tv mfr does this.
honestly speaking this tension between companies being an ass to their customers WILL result action in the end, ross won't stop - we shouldn't stop. bring them to responsibility, anybody with morals sees this as unacceptable.
Well, exactly? Isn't that the point. If people keep buying Microsoft Windows products, and Microsoft keeps restricting it further and further by needing an online account to set it up. And putting 5 to 7 OS exes that connect to the internet randomly unless if you have a firewall. So SPYWARE OS for more profits, ONLINE ONLY. But nobody can stop the mighty Microsoft, right?
The guy is totally missing the point about a coffee machine analogy. We get screwed in the future, if no one does anything. We all get screwed. This is ONLINE ONLY CRAP...
Wheres the open comment bar?
Samsungs terms of service agreement or contract:
I have a samsung phone,which in their terms of service which I skipped through,its at least a 2 hour read, I guess but in Samsun's tos,I have to agree that they have the right to my info,spread it around with others,not saying whom or the law,Korean law?
I must also mention they including Goggle on my Androidphone, have the right to remove or delete or add data to my phone!without my knowledge or consent... but the tos gives them that right!
As this is a Korean company, mu data or personal info ,which is stored on a server somewhere ,presumably in or on a Korean Samsung datafarm( huge database),and their address is at the very bottom of a very lengthy t.o.s! In Korea! So why does Samsung have the right to share to anybody/ company/ gov't or the world,including advertising companies, in a foreign company, want or have the right to store,access,or divulge my personal data,to any other ppl,companies or the law(Korean law)?
In Canada,and the US,we have the privacy act law, but it' doesn't do shit to protect us from foreign company's ethics in Korea,China or Asia!with a terms of service agreement, and I like most ppl cant be bothered reading the whole tos,in the store,to decide whether or not to buy their product!
In all reality,it should be like the waranties I read 50 years ago,simple and short,we will replace or repair the produc that you bought from us,thats it!
There's no seat at the sales counter,to sit down to read tge terms of service and it's buried inside the box it comes in,modt likely, which means you havevto buy it first to access the t.o.s!
And in today's society,the clerks would get annoyed with every customer that wanted to read the tos before buying whatever device has this crap!
And our time is valuable, so we sign or agree to their " fuck me contract" and carry on!
Up here in Canada, our mobile phone providers like Fido, did a 10 page " fuck me" contract,we will let you the public rent our mobile phone services if you agree to let us fuck you ,if you dont pay
,but you can't argue with us for canceling the whole years subscription and being billed for it,so et el,we fido can fuck you for a years worth of mobile phone service,(which they did to me,and sent it to collections!)even though we canceled yours after just 2 weeks,after asking for more money then we were supposed to get and billed you for the whole year 555$
Aka ,their" fuck me contract",u can't fuck us,but we can fuck you,because you signed our goofy 10 page contract that 20 university law students drew up,and we know it'd take that many to divulge the truth to you our customer!
And further to that, ,we know you won't stand in our store for an hour or 2 hours trying to read and digest it,because 90% ofbyou don't understand legal ease,so here's what it is,you ageee( the customer) to our terms of service,we can fuck your wallet screw up your credit rating,and cancel your phone servive ,yet still bill you for it,aka a fuck you contract!
And this is unfortunately how all our canadian mobile phone companies operate up here!
They should not!😮
I agree with you Loius!100% UCKFA EMTHEY!
I wonder how many minors with no legal rights will click this button before their parents see it. And there is absolutely no way to prove that in a court of law.
Oops I accidentally hit the button before the screen had finished powering on
I bet that's the plan.
That's a valid point.
I've helped my kids setup games on their computers, but, they are the ones clicking the buttons and getting my help with anything they don't understand.
So I am not the legal owner of the games or their computers.
Guess that's why EULA's are so long, and pointless? when a 10 year old child can use the product but is clueless to any legalities within the EULA, and therefore, The point; Can a child or anyone under, say 15 years old, be expected to have the intellect to understand, in its entirety, the contents and "legal bindings" of an End User License Agreement?
I tried to explain to Netflix many times that children should *not* be allowed to change the Netflix plan, yet apparently with my family, the kids repeatedly pressed the button to go from the $10 plan (now discontinued) to the $16.50 plan. There's even a $21 plan that shows up on 4K TVs! It is wrong, and because Netflix acts dumb when it happens, we've cancelled the service.
@@TheHungrySluganyone under the age of majority can't be legally held by a contract regardless of wether or not the signed/agreed to it, unless it was co-signed by their legal guardian, and even then the legal penalty is placed on their Guardian, not the child.
Hmmm, forced arbitration right before announcing a data breach don’t think the courts will look kindly on that.
Forcibly trying to take peoples legal rights away before revealing that there was a data breach is some next level scumbaggery.
I’m sure they won’t mind…
it doesnt matter if everyone is paid off. ask the banks in 2008
Its so much worse over here...
I'm so tired off it. Especially with someone that had (Very unhealthy Person) in *Family*
When I already have Documents and Sources (From more than 1 place)
If it goes to a judge with some sliver of integrity they'll still be held accountable. We have laws and precedent that protects consumers from scummy crap like this, the problem is our gov doesn't do it's job and enforce them. The FTC for example is a complete joke.
Forcing someone to do something or else they can't use the product they already bought is called ransomware.
however it's "different" when a company does it instead of the hacker
no its not...
You shoukd be allowed to not accept the update. And keep using it as is till it stops don't stuff.
@@sigataros yup. Rules for thee and not for me.
No, it's called theft. You can retrieve your ransomwared data if you have a backup. You can't regain use of your TV, same as if it had been stolen.
Any contract entered under duress is not enforceable.
You cannot sign away your constitutional rights. No contract that demands you do so is enforceable.
@@MrDj232 So says the rhetoric...
@@MrDj232 A TV isn't a constitutional right. Neither being able to sue for a data breach...
@@MrDj232 You actually can. People waive their right to remain silent all the time. The same goes for the right to have an attorney represent you. But that doesn't apply in this particular situation. Companies can not force you to give up certain rights in this situation.
So many internet lawyers here.
The fact is a company can get away with anything they want until 1) someone takes them to court over it and 2) they don't take a settlement and it goes to trial and 3) the jury finds for the plaintiff.
Unfortunately, complaining on the internet is where this stops for most people.
2:12 what’s hilarious is on Facebook someone said (replying to a news article about this): “I was able to use my Roku Tv without a problem.” I replied: “Yes, because you agreed to the new terms.” To which they responded: “Yeah, because I had to agree to it.”
🤦 that was LITERALLY the whole point of the article! That the ONLY way to use this product is to AGREE and if you don’t well to bad don’t get to use the TV anymore.
And we aren’t even talking about a TV you can return. They changed this on CURRENT users. Who are OUTSIDE of the return window.
My kids consented to it.
@@RadDadisRad Watch that turn out to be the loophole - get someone who can't be legally bound to arbitration to click the button. Sorry Roku, your contract with that 8 year old isn't valid.
@@wjw0084I can foresee TV companies adding a fingerprint scanner on the OK button in order to prove who agreed to the terms and conditions in the case where this ends up being the only valid defence against spontaneous forced arbitration agreements.
@@wjw0084pay kid 10$ to click "OK" or "I Agree" button...
It is neat startup idea, if it will work. But there can be different problem of "hiring underage kids".
@@wjw0084 6 year old, 😂
It gets worse-you CAN opt out-by mailing them your info, including your contact info, all members in your household and their contact info, your mailing addresses, the email address on account, etc…so I’m supposed to send them all of this personal info, while they’ve had data breaches? Hahahaha.
Yep. And they then are liable for a class action lawsuit. Join us! Bahahahaha!
Yes. The worst part is that to opt out they're also asking you to list all the services you use, in detail, for all the devices you use. What does that even mean? Lots of people are going to try to opt out and they're going to miss something or not know about some back-end service they're using (voice search?) only to find that Roku still considers them under the EULA. I seriously doubt that they're going to respond or extend your time to opt out if this happens.
The only option you have is to close your account and stop using the device.
Sad how easy it is to "agree" to the terms and sign up, but to remove your info and opt out is extremely time consuming and difficult. Just like how when you swipe your credit card somewhere, that money disappears from your account right away. When it is time for a refund and they owe you now, expect days before the money is back in your account. It makes no sense.
@@Dragoon91786except that our highly corrupt courts in favor for the money will likely throw out the class action before they even touch it !
Even when you try to return their junk.
they're still trying to take advantage of you,
universal level of greed!
This is disgusting. I'm officially done with Roku because of this. What a shady company. They need to be sued to oblivion for holding our equipment hostage after we already paid for it!
My only non-retro tv is an RCA roku TV. Time to get rid of that one and replace it with an older plasma maybe. Modern fucking tech.
Why lol 🤣 I barely use Roku at all 😂 I used gaming consoles also how the heck did it got hacked
My family has a ROKU stick, at least if that tried to give me that BS I could just unplug it if it tried to hold my TV hostage. I will not be getting a ROKU stick on my own
just reset it and don't connect to internet (if possible). then delete your roku account@@Zyo117
I used to use a Roku ultra, but I got an Apple TV, and said goodbye to the Roku info harvester and ad box. So much nicer now. Not an Apple guy btw.
What scares me the most is I didn't even know Roku had a data breach until watching this just now. Nothing in my email, nothing on my Roku Ultra in the living room. I did see the new agreement.
I am just sewing this now...
what confuses me is why in the world you'd choose to give them your real information.
Imagine buying a house and 2 years down the road receiving a letter from the developer saying you are now sharing your garage with your neighbor or you lose access to it🤣
With new condo developments this actually happens semi frequently. They market one thing, take presales - then reduce amenities in the final product. Famous one in Vancouver was an entire floor in a luxury high rise tower was sold as "Bookable Common Area for Residents" but swapped to "Private Floor for Penthouse Owner." Guess who the penthouse buyer was? (The Owner of the development company!)
@@24allix Well, you will have to sign the disclosure amendment describing changes. And if you disagree, you may get your deposit back.
Or you lose access to the house, not just the garage...
This or similar happens rather frequently.
I have 2 Roku tvs. I'm all for a lawsuit. Forced arbitration should be totally illegal.
It is illegal, absolutly!
Someone reading this who knows a lawyer: call them please!
You should have the right to a refund. If it is that important to them, it should be illegal for this to happen without a full refund.
Imagine if anytime the terms change you get a fresh 30 day return window. That would be awesome.
should be the law. Change the terms, accept returns. Its even got a ring to it. Could get traction. CHANGE THE TERMS ACCEPT RETURNS. The dumbest American would get behind this law.@@wjw0084
@@wjw0084 That should be a thing these days.
The crazy thing about this possible Roku "plan" to avoid lawsuits is that the new EULA isn't enforceable. By holding the devices hostage, they created duress. Entering an agreement under duress is a great defence to getting out of the agreement. Hell, they are probably more open to being sued under the new probably unenforceable EULA than the old EULA.
I suspect that if there is a class action, it'll cost them more than if they had just not played EULA games and been upfront about the hack.
Saving this
It's always worth it to them to push the envelope. They will pay a half a bit for every dollar they steal.
But because of the agreement, you don’t have the right to question the validity of the agreement :-)
@@Matt-yg8ub that might be what roku wants you to think, but you can sue at any point. What then happens is roku makes a motion to dismiss siting the eula and then your lawyer would argue it's unenforcable.
@@Matt-yg8ubso says they and some 1's and 0's they're pretending are a contract.
I can't see how that "Agree" mandate will have any legal standing.
1) As our host illustrated, there is no "Do Not Agree" option.
2) Roku does not know who clicked "Agree".
-- A 4-year old child might have clicked "Agree".
-- A visitor might have clicked "Agree".
-- A babysitter might have clicked "Agree".
-- A technician might have clicked "Agree".
Of course, the average Joe neither has the time nor the resources to fight this in court, and Roku knows that.
So the only option that We The People should choose is to never purchase a Roku product.
And completely destroy any that we've already purchased. That's next on my To-Do List.
Maybe I'll mail it back to them...depends on how drunk I am when I'm done. 🤣
@@drunkensquirrel7545I suggest using a crowbar first. For 'things'.
You know you want to.
@@ardentglazier2867 Better wait till I've polished off that bottle first. Isn't it funny how crystal clear things appear when they're seen through that lens?
The previous owner could have clicked "Agree".
Protesting with your wallet is probably the most peaceful, safe yet effective way available for us consumers, but it does require people knowing about these things if you want it to work out.
I had to cancel a Chase credit card because I could not sign in to online account without signing 2 new agreements. One of them was 124 pages long! Most people probably checked the boxes. But buried in the document was not only forced arbitration- but giving them power of attorney over any linked bank accounts! This is getting out of hand.
idk about out of hand, more like back in time, where slavery was just fine..
POA?? Unbelievable! 😮 Thanks for the heads up!
Honestly got to start reading these now because of shit like this
Yeah its pretty clear we are at or atleast heading twords slavery
Holy crap! Do you remember any keyword I could use to see if I have these same terms @MrCREWCRUSHIN95?
Bad faith companies, bad faith government, bad faith culture. Sad.
This is the world as of 2024 and onwards. Welcome to the world. But remember, humans defined the world we are in.
P.S. Hate them all equally.
One reason why a hard drive of content obtained somehow is better than streaming in about every way these days
Don't worry, the stakeholders are looking out for you!
@@davidgoodnow269 define "you"
Not just that, the policians in government are so old that they used a rotary telephone landline(look it up) as their main phone and didn't even have an answering machine while they were handling important business.
The problem is that the people in charge wouldn't understand how an answering machine uses a tape or hard drive to record their voice let alone how video appears on their computer screen.
Yet somehow these poor old folks who should be long retired by now are supposed to figure out all the legal loopholes these tech companies with armies of lawyers are able to leapfrog the laws and regulations.
They made my privately owned TVs inoperable. I filed a written complaint with my state Attorney General. They (say they) are investigating.
Follow up. Don't just complain and pray. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
They also sell TVs that you can’t use without accepting terms and conditions and keeping connected to the internet at all times.
This is when you hope the actual AG has a Roku TV and had the same experience.
@@TheAlienGangsterLouis did a video about HP printers not working if they're not connected.
@@MadocComadrin great comment! I laughed cynically.
I'm going to take mine back to Costco. I don't care it's been over 90 days; this isn't the product I purchased. I'm sorry to the poor employee who is going to have to sit with me for a few hours, but until people start returning these products, the retailers won't stop selling products made by these shady TV manufacturers.
wish i could do this, but i bought the tv 4 years ago in a whole different city lol. good luck!
@@dialga236 I got mine in 2019. I don't see how my product can change, on its own, after 5 years.
Costco should honor it. Talk to the manager and explain what is going on.
good on you! everybody should do this! they'll stop stocking the brand if it's losing them money.
Real
Them: "I'm altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further."
Us: "This deal keeps getting worse all the time."
Fun fact: the high seas don't have these issues
*Don't just complain to the FTC and stage attorney general. Follow up. Don't just complain and pray. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.*
Let your lawmakers know about this BS too.. We need new laws making this illegal.
And don't email. Certified snail mail so they can't claim they didn't receive it. Also: this is just the beginning. It's going to take a lot more.
I bought a Samsung TV recently. When setting it up it asked me to agree to collecting data on what I watched and there was no I do not agree or skip button. Just agree and continue. Except I could just click continue and not agree to anything. Every other setup page showed an option to skip but for collecting metrics it was like they were hiding the fact you didn't need to agree. One of the scummiest tactics I've ever witnessed.
I had something similar on the phone. Luckily I was able to simply close the message and never agree.
Not that it matters as is a shitty company and will do whatever they want anyway.
If you have no option other than to agree to the new terms to use your already paid for TV, that's the same as ransomware. This should be just as criminal.
I suspect Roku is going to find out the hard way it is illegal.
When a company bricks the the device after the sale, they should at least be liable for the cost of the device.
They should also be criminally liable for destruction of private property and wire fraud.
@@SonsOfLorgar If love if this action would immediately bankrupt the company who did this, this would be an actual punishment and incentive not to do it ever again
Awesome! If people sue Roku and the judge throws out that EULA that could set a great precedent for ownership; although I won’t hold my breath. I’m thoroughly black pilled on owning anything ever again.
the WEF believe in nonsense such as 'you will own nothing and -pretend to- be happy' alongside 'you WILL eat the bugs' , 'The Great Reset' , 'The Great Culling' and highly psychopathic, delusional and abusive nonsense such as ESG. Of course, all the sopulless corpo drones and their (((benefactors))) not only adapt this mentality, but they also make it as normalized as possible across all the industrial complexes such as Big Money, Big Agro, etc.
'free range humans living on tax farms'
Sadly, that’s the plan (to change the meaning of “ownership” to (digital) subscription).
This is why I prefer computer monitors over TVs, because at least I can control and do what I want to my Computer monitors. For TVs though, you don't have a choice, which really sucks if you ask me.
"Don't lose. Sue your U.S. TV" - so good to see such encouragement from Louis straight from the thumbnail!
To skip the pop up: Reboot your Roku (pull the cord), turn off your router/wifi, Turn on the Roku and take it off wifi (Settings -> System -> Advanced System settings -> Network connection -> Reset connection), and then use with as hdmi input only.
Also be "careful" because when reconnecting and testing this to make sure it works, I didn't turn off the router, and accidentally hit agree as the Roku's menu lagged while it started to display the pop up. Careful is in quotes cause like, that didn't feel like an agreement!!
Just some added info: If the pop up is present, yeah you can't use any TV functionality except accept it. No external inputs or channels.
If you were already using it with another external device and barely even use your Roku remote (because some devices can turn on the TV and switch inputs via HDMI-CEC), it doesn't matter, now it won't switch inputs until you agree. In my case this meant finding some AAA batteries for the old Roku remote.
Before the pop up appears, you can move around the menu a little bit, but like I said that risks it popping up and you hitting Agree instantly lol. Taking it offline does successfully remove it without agreeing though.
But using hdmi input only still removes a huge reason most people buy a smart TV.
It's like if you buy a 5 speed car, and afterwards you're limited to 1st gear.
It's better than being stuck in park, but still a poor bandage.
@@goldenheartOh 100% it does, although many people do just use smart external devices anyway.
@@goldenheartOh Nobody "intentionally" buys a smart TV these days. You have to actively search for a "dumb" one.
Same. But we can write them within 30 days via USPS Certified mail including all the relevant software and hardware info and that's our middle finger opt out.
This is no different than Microsoft back in the day when they sold Windows on the shelf. You had to agree to the Terms Of Service prior to using the product but the TOS was inside the box. And to get into the box you obviously had to break the seal which, per the TOS, negated your ability to return the product per the TOS! That's how screwed up it was... and THIS is.
It needs to be illegal, with HUGE consequences, for trying to make people sign away rights.
This kind of behavior should instantly bankrupt a company. This would be actual punishments
@@ambiarock590 This should instantly resolve with everyone involved in jail with all assets seized and returned to consumers. Can't pay it? Too harsh? Well, as they say, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
There's also no place to click to read what the changes are before agreeing to them.
Imagine shopping at a store where you are only able to buy unlabeled sealed boxes that are non-returnable.
Based on Luis sreen image, they refer to pressing '*' where to read the agreement
@@dmitripogosian5084*Louis'
*screen
*agreement.
That already happens, at least a little: I used to collect toys casually, but stopped. A few years later I'd have brief looks at toy aisles in stores, curious as to what they were selling nowadays. I was surprised to see how much 'blind box'-style toys had taken over. Essentially what you are describing: buy a vaguely labeled sealed box that you cannot return.
I don't see how they can claim a TOS is a contract while simultaneously claiming they can change the contract arbitrarily, at any time without an actual renegotiation of said contract. Any other contract between two parties would have to be renegotiated between those two parties in order to change the contract. If one party just decides one day that they can unilaterally rewrite the contract in ways that violate the existing contract without any input whatsoever from the other party, then is it really a contract in the first place?
because the "contract" is modifiable by them at any time, its in the contract, expect "you will give your home to the company" to be on page 1337.
Louis I really appreciate your message about the rapist mentality that has become the new business model. Just yesterday, I went on the Starbucks app to purchase a drink, and in the process of payment it automatically loaded my SB card with $25.00 and paid for my coffee out of that. After the fact, I noticed that since I last used the app, they had made the SB card the default payment method. It was crystal clear to me that I had experienced the rapist mentality of which you speak. We both know the next step is to increase the default load amount to $50, then $100, all the while burying the notification on Page 21 of a 40-page consumer agreement. Thank you sir for your awareness campaign!
it would go $25, $30, $40, $50 (frog in boiling water),
then they'd start having it refill itself at higher bottom thresholds. rn it only takes from you if the (sb)card can't pay for the drink, next (for your convenience), they'll have it activate if the order brings your card balance below $5. (starting small because people will be like $5, whatever i'm not gonna expand energy to fight this, it's $5. that's how you break them into accepting things they wouldn't. start so small it's innocuous and silly to fight, have them accept that this is just how things work now, then stick the tip in more and repeat the process.) then it can move to $10, $15, $20, $25. at that point you always have money on you that only works at SB, so why would you take business anywhere else?
Louis calls it on the head. that is literally the mentality these 'people' have, and we're doing ourselves a disservice by not recognizing it.
Louis needs to keep using the r-word in these videos. Saw someone who was a SA survivor say that they're glad that Louis is using that language cuz that really drives the point home that this is wrong and companies should be held accountable
An uncomfortable truth, but I think your on point. I just called Starbucks and had them refund the remaining balance on the my card. I hope that's enough of a push-back. Next time I'll be closing my rewards account.@@DoroNijimaru
This was actually good timing. I was just about to replace an older 42" with a brand new 70" ROKU. Not going to happen now....
The brand doesn't matter. There are only a couple of corporations, and they're all in collusion.
I would rather have a projector, a screen, and a home theater PC than a smart TV
@@BeerMoneyforTokyo I bought a dumb 43" TV from Best Buy last year. It turns on like a regular TV, shows the Insignia logo and then shows OTA programs for me. No agreements or nuttin'.
Is there a TV manufacturer that does not have these intrusive "smart" features? Is there a TV manufacturer that allows you to delete apps? Until consumers have a choice, they need to vote with the wallet. Unfortunately this stuff is rammed down your throat. This stuff has to stop. George Orwell keeps rolling in his grave.
Had they not done this maybe 0.01% of users would have sued them, now they might go completely bankrupt, what an amazing decision.
Nope, the arbitration agreement will be upheld regardless, and you'll have to arbitrate your way out of said arbitration agreement (you won't be able to, the arbitrator is getting paid 100s of dollars an hour by the mega corp).
"One might think that if a contract is unenforceable, a party cannot be required to arbitrate under it because the arbitration clause is part of the unenforceable contract. That was the law until 1967. But in 1967 the Supreme Court held, in Prima Paint Corp. v. Flood & Conklin Mfg. Co., 388 U.S. 395, that when a party claimed that a contract it had signed was induced by fraud, that party had to assert its claim in arbitration. That is, even if the entire contract (in that case, a commercial lease) was invalid, the arbitration clause survived because, the Court found, the promise to arbitrate was separable from the rest of the contract. This holding is called the “separability doctrine.”
www.epi.org/publication/the-arbitration-epidemic/ You've been fucked by decades of corrupt supreme court justices. Read about it, get angry, and vote people who support them out.
It's like UA-cam's war on ad blockers. All they did was make more people aware of the existence of ad blockers.
KNEW IT! Write to your state Attorney General and demand action.
This should work both ways. We just need payments that can be withdrawn in perpetuity if the product changes after the fact of purchase.
Won't happen. Because in every EULA there's working that they reserve the right to change the EULA anytime. There's no winning this unless enough people disagrees to the EULA to cause the business enough damage where they roll back the EULA terms, which is unlikely because all companies essentially use the same EULA.
The incident happened before the "updated" eula. It could be reasoned that you can therefore go after Roku under the eula that you had at that time. Rather than the updated version.
But that is the whole point of pushing updated EULA on you - so that by agreeing you lose the ability to go after under previous EULA
This forced arbitration has been going on for years. When I worked in retail, the company I worked for about 2 years into my working there, had us file an agreement with an arbitration clause. They said if you don't sign, that you will be immediately terminated from your position. Even if you didn't sign, you could sue them, either getting your job back and they will make your life a living hell while you worked there until you formally quit. Credit card companies have placed arbitration clauses in their contract for years as well, you just haven't seen them as explicitly as they are depicted now. I also like the fact that these new arbitration rules are forced to be agreed upon before you get to read it now.
That contract is void regardless because they made you sign under duress on threat of loosing your job.
@@HerbaMachina at the time, we didn't know anything about it. Sorry to say I left the company before it went under.
@@HerbaMachina Nope, welcome to America. The arbitration clause is held separate from the rest of the contract, you have to arbitrate your way out of arbitration.
"One might think that if a contract is unenforceable, a party cannot be required to arbitrate under it because the arbitration clause is part of the unenforceable contract. That was the law until 1967. But in 1967 the Supreme Court held, in Prima Paint Corp. v. Flood & Conklin Mfg. Co., 388 U.S. 395, that when a party claimed that a contract it had signed was induced by fraud, that party had to assert its claim in arbitration. That is, even if the entire contract (in that case, a commercial lease) was invalid, the arbitration clause survived because, the Court found, the promise to arbitrate was separable from the rest of the contract. This holding is called the “separability doctrine.”
www.epi.org/publication/the-arbitration-epidemic/ You've been fucked by decades of corrupt supreme court justices. Read about it, get angry, and vote people who support them out.
They should have a disagree button and an immediate refund for the product that you used to use in this case. But one can only dream since law makers are corrupt.
Someone in here suggested that a change in the EULA should open a fresh 30-day return window. That is very much needed
agreed!
As if we needed more reason to hate Roku. They release slow streaming devices that only exist to sell your data and ads.
100% on that!
Slow? Maybe it's your internet. As much as I hate the BS Roku gets away with, their interface is the FASTEST interface on any TV anywhere. Nothing gets me to my content faster than a Roku TV.
They get your purchase though and slowly continue to remove features from it(such as Adult Channels that some people have paid for) because some jack off complained that their teenager was able to easily circumvent the age restriction for that type of content.
@kingzach74 Funny thing about that interface, every time you click a button on your remote, that action is uploaded to their server (probably to gauge how easy it is to find something in the interface. My pihole (DNS blocker) logs thousands of attempts per month to access Roku servers, which dwarfs all the other requests combined. I'm surprised people give their credit card info to a sketchy company like Roku. Their reputation aside, having your credit card stored online, on an IoT device, or in your browser is not a wise thing to do.
I used to install Washer, dryers, stoves and microwaves. We opened boxes outside not because they didn't fit into apartment while still in box, we opened them outside to reduce the mess we made inside peoples home.
I have a Roku TV and I have not been asked to do this yet. That’s is BS they can completely shut down your TV if you don’t agree. Their limit should be using their APP’s/streaming capabilities.. I bought my TV 18 months ago. It should be illegal for them to shut down the inputs if you don’t agree to their new terms. I know this next time I buy a TV it will have no smart abilities. And next time I buy a new streaming device it will not be a Roku. We currently own 2 Roku streaming devices and 1 TCL Roku TV.
I’m the only one that watches the TCL Roku TV. It’s in my get away room. 😂
*That's BS
That's = contraction of "that is/has", so putting another "is" after it is redundant.
Well well well... The sucking TV Roku got their treasures leaked. Poor customers...
The point is, if we let Roku get away with it, other companies will follow suit.
@@derekboardman9995 yeah. That's why we need to act.
They let our treasures get leaked. I don't have ROKU, now i never will.
After watching your first Roku video, I considered myself "lucky" that I hadn't got that agreement requirement and just thought my TV was too old for them to bother updating... But nope, got locked behind the agree button just a few days ago. Thanks for speaking up about what this is all about (Or "not" about, depending on who you ask).
There's kind of a double-roofie here, because since the TV still turns "on," I will not be surprised at all if Roku believes that the TV is "Not disabled at all" if you refuse to agree to the terms of service update.
The last time I bought a Roku product was probably 15 or more years ago. The device was very unreliable. I tore the device down, never put it back together, and never bought another Roku product. Sure enough a few days ago I got the BS forced arbitration email from them. I wasn't buying Roku gear, I am doubly never buying Roku gear now.
[edit] Thanks for explaining why the arbitration thing appeared. Forcibly trying to take peoples legal rights away before revealing that there was a data breach is some next level scumbaggery.
I still don't understand why it's legal to
1. Change the EULA contract after the fact with no approval from the customer that signed it.
2. Write in clauses that state nothing in said contract is concrete and subject to change at any time.
3. Have forced arbitration clauses.
Like if that's the case then why even bother having us click agree? Just say that we can rent it for a set price and use it however the company says and on the day we use it some other way or the company decides they don't want to support that product anymore just send in the goon squad to take it back.
Personally, I prefer people to look me in the eyes as they fuck me.
The answer to the 3 is money.
All legislators receive kickbacks. Just in a way that is difficult to prove the brivery.
Ever thought why insider trading is legal? Or why family members of legislators get huge contracts at companies for things they have no capabilities to do?
That's how they get bribed.
Same with judges.
Bravo, Expose These Criminal Liars!
I bought an LG OLED TV in 2016, read the terms that say I agree to let them examine the content of anything I display on the TV and report back and just refused to ever connect it to the internet. Just like you, Louis, I am DISGUSTED by these forced changes and forced arbitration of everything.
One way to get past these is to BLOCK any traffic to any sites not explicitly whitelisted by your firewall.
How?
LOL good luck with that. It's super adorable when non-techy people have ideas like that.
What you *actually* do is use your TV as a monitor and don't connect it to the internet.
@@macethorns1168are you slow? It’s trivial to blanket block all sites except ones on a whitelist. It’ll make using the internet a total chore but it’s very possible.
@@UHOH3300 You yourself admit the issue, genius. That it's a total chore. It's not feasible.
Literally exactly what I predicted when I first saw the agreement.
I am _never_ getting a "smart" TV or IoT of any kind.
I have one, it's never been connected to any wifi and never will.
All TVs are now "smart". And eventually they'll make it so those old TVs won't work with (whatever) anymore.
@@Truth_Teller_101 Won't work with what? An HDMI or a TV signal? I really doubt that will ever be the case, especially if the TV doesn't have an internet connection.
good luck buying a regular tv nowadays (pretty soon they will steal your dumb tv's like 1984 orwells)
Same here. I will not be getting any smart speaker, no smart TV, none of that crap. I'll take a hard drive of content over any smart TV anyday
NGL we need people like you in congress ; knowledgeable on the topic and actually cares about the people vs the corpo
He should unironically run for president. Even without a political background, he can't do worse than Trump or Biden cause he's not an irrational or senile 80 year old man.
He'd do great things for consumer rights and protection/privacy laws, recycling, repair, reuse and green initiatives.
@@KITOMEROI'm pretty sure there's a minimum age for being the president and i'm not sure Louis meets it.
There's also the small problem of him being *opposed* to corporate greed, which is suboptimal in a world where elections are won using millions of dollars of advertising paid for by extremely greedy megacorporations who would absolutely burn down an orphanage if it was in the way of their new factory if it was legal. We love living in an oligarchy.
Even if he did win there's not a lot he could do because he'd still have to deal with the senile old dinosaurs in congress whose knowledge of technology is solely limited to the bare minimum required for political mudslinging, who are also paid off by the previously mentioned megacorporations.
Is there any way we can vote him in even if he doesn't run some of the best leaders are people who don't want to do it after all if for no other reason then they're not going to go out of their way to mess with people
Well one thing you could do and everyone else is actually by stock in companies we need to find a way to keep a lot of the stock out of their hands of these people that way when they pull stuff like this the stock holders will vote them out easier said than done though probably another reason why they want to keep inflation up got to make sure we can't do that and put their crazy culture out of the boardrooms as well I mean once again easier said than done but they don't even like the possibility that that might happen
I have the same feelins, about a year ago I went to Mediamarkt with my dad to buy a new TV and when I asked to read the TOS, they didn't even know that there is one for the TV lol
You will own nothing and be happy! Even if you already bought it!
Oye vey
Shut it down
I will also eat ze bugs.
I have been thinking a lot about this and everything else in our culture. It can all be summarized as "nobody will take the L". Every news story, every business scandal, every politician, every failed video game using D.I.E., it all is because nobody is an adult, nobody will take the L. Nobody will take responsibility. As a result we see the most depraved human condition on full display. We have taken only 60 years to bring us all the way back to the 1st century AD. It is incredibly disappointing but not that surprising.
Seems like the US could use a set of decent consumer laws. In Germany there's actually a law against "suprising or uncommon" clauses in EULAs. Of course a court has to decide what this is, which is also usually not a good thing.
I still remember the sony ps3 fiasco....
"OtherOS is a feature of early versions of the PlayStation 3 video game console, allowing user installed software, such as Linux or FreeBSD. The feature was removed since system firmware update 3.21, released on April 1, 2010"
Yeah, that sucked because having decent hardware at an affordable price, running a fully-supported BSD was my primary reason for wanting a Playstation 3. If it could also do games, great.
I hate it how some scumbag in a suit can draft a document saying consumers have no rights and force them into arbitration and its legally enforceable. Consumers have less and less rights every day.
but its not legally enforceable, ppl are too lazy to stand up for themselves and just winge and complain online.
@@invalidaccount2315 The vibes based analysis, you have to love it. Yes, it is legally enforceable, and has continually been expanded upon with power that goes far beyond any reasonable persons thoughts on it. Stop spreading blatant misinformation, and instead educate people on what it is and how they can do something about it.
"One might think that if a contract is unenforceable, a party cannot be required to arbitrate under it because the arbitration clause is part of the unenforceable contract. That was the law until 1967. But in 1967 the Supreme Court held, in Prima Paint Corp. v. Flood & Conklin Mfg. Co., 388 U.S. 395, that when a party claimed that a contract it had signed was induced by fraud, that party had to assert its claim in arbitration. That is, even if the entire contract (in that case, a commercial lease) was invalid, the arbitration clause survived because, the Court found, the promise to arbitrate was separable from the rest of the contract. This holding is called the “separability doctrine.”
www.epi.org/publication/the-arbitration-epidemic/ You've been fucked by decades of corrupt supreme court justices. Read about it, get angry, and vote people who support them out.
you just now noticed? must be nice
*it's (contraction of "it is" or "it has")
its = possessive pronoun
All contractions have apostrophes. Possessive pronouns never do.
@@alvallac2171I dont care
I think the next step on Louis’s pro consumer movements is to help create legislation to prohibit manufacturers of creating appliances that only work if connected to the internet or requires an account
A few years ago asking about buying a TV that wasn't "smart" would get you ridiculed by people telling you to just ignore the TV's OS and how it "doesn't cost you anything extra". Let's hope cases like this will show people the real price of "smart" TVs. Every day I am thankful that the "smart" trend didn't catch on with PC monitors and the best monitors on the market can't connect to the Internet at all.
These situations happen because devices connect to the Internet, turn off Wi-Fi on the TV and you are done. A smart TV can't magically connect to the Internet if you never give it Wi-Fi password.
The “smart” trend would have never been a thing with PC monitors. The reason smart tvs exist were because in the 2000’s it was popular to set up a PC in the living room as a home media system. This is just the natural evolution of that, seeing as people mostly did it to watch movies/media. It would have been redundant to put smart technology in a device that’s hooked up to a PC already
That is an option assuming that the TV doesn't require you to connect to the Internet in order to work. To be clear I don't know if any "smart" TVs do this as I never owned one but either option would be simple to implement. Edit: this is a reply to the first reply because for some reason I couldn't include the user name.
I am pretty sure there are already "smart" computer monitors, I think Samsung has one, but they are few and far between just for the fact that they don't make sense as the average person will use it for work, not to watch movies or consume content on the relatively small screen.
This is a big oversight on the part of corporations, just imagine, someone doesn't want to connect a garbage tv with VA matrix to the internet and share data 0_o
I think in the future they will fix it, to use the tv and pass OOBE internet connection will be mandatory.
Anyone ever read the contract for cable TV? They have a line saying we own the cable lines on your land and in your walls , so you must let us in 247 if needed. One loophole they can not enter if you say you're 17. Shocking, the crap we say yes to.
Love the analogy. I don't want anything smarter than my cats doing anything inside of my car or my house. Screw those "smart homes." My friends laughed at me when I first said it years ago. They ain't laughing now!
Now I have to run off & see if I have to do any damage control. Just to be on the "safer side." I'm SO SICK of this scheiß! It's still early afternoon & I already need a stiff drink. 🍀
Automakers Are Sharing Driver Data with Insurers without Consent. Then insurers are denying people with "bad" driving insurance in the US.
This is every company if there are no strict rules, oversight and severe penalties for companies that get caught
*are
*sharing
*driver
*data
*insurers
*consent
All of those are common nouns, not proper nouns, so they shouldn't be capitalized except when they're the first word in a sentence or are part of a title.
@@alvallac2171it was a copy and paste from a website, also not a native english speaker.
@@alvallac2171You appear to derive great enjoyment from editing other people’s writing. I suggest buying nearly any novel through Kindle. You will get many hours of editing pleasure. You’re welcome.
A good judge would side with the consumer against Roku if someone 'defied' the ToS and did not go through Arbitration... It has to do with the fact that the consumer did not need to sign/agree to any kind of contract or ToS before buying the TV. Ergo the ToS is not 'enforceable'.
Sewing patterns used to do something similarly sneaky by having a "ToS" inside the package that stated idiotic things. Including, "You cannot wear the finished product in public," and "You are only allowed to use this pattern for one project, then you must throw it away." It used threatening legal language and a lot of people believed it.
In short. The judge would rule that "Purchase" does not translate to "agree to a contract" and no reasonable person would assume a contract was involved.
Good judge?
Gook joke!
OMG this Roku saga just keeps getting better
This is very like so many websites which says in a pop up box "Accept Cookies" but you will not be able to view its contents if you do not press "OK".
Thank you for being loud about this, never stop
*this. Never (to fix your comma splice run-on)
*stop.
I don't know why anyone ever gave Roku their credit card information. Oh wait, yeah I do. It's because they purposely make it difficult to set up without giving them your credit card information. Most people don't want to spend the extra 5 minutes.
I almost threw my Roku box away when I realized this until I found a way around it. It was gifted.
Love your content Louis, what's sad is that I don't see anyone else talking about these issues and all the very valid issues you bring up on your channel
Love the raw honesty, that you have, keep it coming.
*honesty that
*have. Keep (to fix your comma splice run-on)
it is scary and very disappointing that these tech companies can do this when i bought a new TV back in November i saw that best buy where selling TVs that where branded Roku i didn't buy one i thought it would be a bad idea to buy a tv branded by a streaming service maybe i was right
ProTip: Always have your cat accidentally accept the EULA.
Just make sure to have video evidence.
There needs to be a wiki or some kind of resource specifically for looking up products/companies to see if they've pulled this kind of stuff before in the past. I think the only reason they get away with these sorts of antics is because the vast majority of people won't be aware of it.
I agree about not purchasing a TV that connects to the Internet. About 2 years ago I needed to replace one of my TVs and it was nearly impossible to find one that DID NOT connect to the Internet.
Changing terms of use like this after a product is sold seems like obviously theft. I don't know how this is still legal. I get the same sort of updates on samsung phones occasionally. Some are optional but not all.
First thing I did after getting a new Samsung TV and updating the firmware was disable its' internet connection. Also, giving considerable thought to getting rid of my Roku Ultra and using another manufacturer's device, albeit, at my expense.
love your videos and concistency keep up the great work
As usual, you get right to the point, hit hard, and tell the truth as you see it. Keep on being you, man.
EULAs need to be PRE-purchase or be required to offer full refund if the purchaser declines.
I'm glad that I live in a country where you can't sign away your rights, including the right to pursue justice through a lawsuit.
You see, the USA is an un-developing nation. We don't have good consumer protection rights, nor workers' rights. We let the companies to whatever the hell they want. Talk about the "Land of the Free" amirite
You look really good on my 75IN TV Really enjoy your video today and totally agree with you. Keep up the good work
Two laws need to be made (and enforced) in the US:
1. Companies cannot use the term "purchase" to define these kinds of transactions. A "purchase" must be well defined as taking full and complete ownership over a product, and if there is any method in which the original company can forcibly take it back it must be called a "rental" very clearly. This might help consumers understand what they are getting into and make the non-shady companies stand out.
2. No company can require the forfeit of any rights granted by the Constitution by American citizens if they want to sell their product/services in the United States (including the right to take them to court). All men are granted these rights as a default, seems ridiculous that a company can require you waive them in any way and the government should not allow that to happen.
Louis Rossmann for Senate when?
You can't even opt out.
Some people are saying you can disconnect the internet and then turn it off and pull the power from the TV, then plug it back in and never connect it to the internet again and you can still use the HDMI.
@@rasungod0Not valid for app tv's or other appliances.
LG and Samsung for example have TV's, washing machines and fridges ( new'er models ) that receive a firmware update automatically.
After the update you can only hit accept ( if it even prompts you ) or if the power goes out after the update, or you unplug it, it 'accepts' for you by default.
You are then forced to factory reset - that in most cases requires disassembly of the device in order to access the prong / switch / jumper that will allow you to factory reset the device.
And even then, most times when the firmware is updated, the factory reset will also 'reset itself to the new version after the update'.
Sure you can not log it back in to the network and you might regain some functionality ( and no pesky 'accept' button ), but the so called advanced fuctions, or personalized laundry cycle programs won't be available anymore until you connect to the internet.
And when you do reconnect to regain access to functions that you payed for when you purchased the product, you back to the beginning were "accept or throw away".
The one criticism I have for Louis' content is; I want to unsupport/opt out of certain things he is describing, but don't know how. Nor does he provide any links or tutorials on how to. Or even a link on how to contact legislators or companies to complain to and make my voice heard. Many of you may comment "do your research" or "just google it" but I think that's the same people who he talks about that also defend buying cheaper products and say "you should have known better." I am a novice-to-intermediate PC user, and I want to switch over to open source and companies that don't screw their customers, but I am also a struggling business owner that is trying to work and provide. I trust his input on these important maters, and I want to make my voice heard as-well. But I don't have 10's of hours to dive into how. If he REALLY wanted individuals like me to push back, could Louis not give a few pinned links to send me to help do that? Or have a nice list of companies to avoid/support? Help me here Louis. You are doing great work, and I want to help. You are very knowledgeable and people like me need your help MORE THAN informing me that BS is happening.
That is a legitimate issue. The problem with *me* handing you the information is I'm some random guy on the internet, plus UA-cam doesn't like off-site links in the comments. About 1/4 of my comments spontaneously dissappear as soon as I post them, anyway!
Wish I could help you with this, but this is one thing I can only suggest doing the search for Roku's information, or do as many suggest and pull the cord, turn off your router, plug the TV back in, and reset its Wi-Fi so that it forgets your router information. Then run it off antenna (I recommend the Antenna Man channel here on UA-cam.), or use the HDMI input for some other source (DVD, Blu-ray, Chromecast, Fire).
For Open Source software I can help more. GnuCash is certified by the British taxation authority as fully capable and free of glitches, for businesses to use for accounting, payroll, and taxes. It can import and export in the two common formats for your accountant.
Do NOT enable Guest login, there is a known security violation in the Linux kernel that opens an uncloseable back-door with Root access if you do! That's why it is always disabled by default.
I recommend Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux, because threats do exist.
I also highly recommend using an Intel chipset for Wi-Fi, for the best drivers.
I _do not_ recommend an Intel CPU. It was revealed they deliberately created a vulnerability in the cryptography circuit that creates specific vulnerability to *legally required banking algorithms!* That was done so long ago that the vulnerability in sign-in is well-known, and any hacker who achieves man-in-the-middle position can read every screen back-and-forth and pull all card numbers, etc., as though looking right at them.
Make sure you turn off *every* form of Virtual Machine authority in both the CPU and *any* OS you use! Also turn off hyperthreading. There are specific CPU models from both Intel and AMD that do not have Hyperthreading at-all, and others require a software patch or BIOS command to disable.
In a business environment it's important to only use hardwired networking, disable every USB port in BIOS (use the old keyboard and mouse and serial port connectors), and if possible use a touchscreen so that you don't have to have a keyboard and mouse connected. Then, you go into the operating system and configure it to block any input except from authorized Device ID -- make sure you have spares for your existing keyboard and mouse, in case you need them, AND THAT THE DEVICE ID's MATCH! -- and you can further secure by restricting Policy to only authorized Device _Serial Numbers!_ That keeps someone from just plugging in a recording device and syphoning information.
At home, I recommend Endless OS -- I use it for tutoring, in its full version -- or Mint Linux, for more widely compatible web browser and surround sound, for entertainment.
For business use, I would only use either Debian or Ubuntu. Ubuntu is what Amazon uses internally, Debian is what it is based on.
thank you for letting us know
I have an older Roku device and received an email that said if you continue using the device you agree. Not even a pop up just an email in my inbox that I happened to open instead of delete.
sue, you never signed an agreement for that when purchasing.
Hey Louis, would you consider doing a recommendation video on TV brands / models, based on the least amount of anti consumer practices? If there even are any that don't hate their customers, that is.
nowadays, the only way out of that Smart TV crap is to just buy a computer monitor. DP ports are superior anyway
@@matthias6933 Dude is asking for a TV, not a computer monitor, that means it has to have a TV/antenna signal input which computer monitors don't need nor have.
Nevermind the fact that computer monitors are smaller for the price than a TV.
@@LAndrewsChannel Get a projector and and a screen and a home theatre PC than any smart TV crap. You could configure an antenna to a projector, those things probably have numerous inputs
@@LAndrewsChannel nah, your assumption was reasonable but I actually don't care about television itself, it's just that all the really big screens that are fit for movies happen to be TVs, or am I wrong on that?
@@ambiarock590 There are so many wrong things recommending a projector instead of a TV.
1) It will be way more expensive to get a comparable projector + screen, especially against "lower" size TVs (under 60'). Macroeconomics also works against them as there are waaaay more TVs made than projectors.
2) You need to do a time consuming setup which most people don't have the patience to do.
3) It takes more space which is a big premium in the small apartments a lot of people have.
4) It is basically a monitor, you don't have TV/antenna inputs on most (if any) projectors, the fact that you said "probably" shows that you are not really informed on the topic.
5) Contrast is, on average, crap compared to most IPS, nevermind OLEDs or microLEDs. Also, it will pretty much be unusable in daylight in a well lit room.
"home theatre PC" setups is not what the average Joe does and I see it is something many tech literate people don't seem to grasp. He just want a TV to watch TV, shows and movies which a smart TV provides out of the box with 0 extra money and effort spent on a secondary box. That is why smart TVs are so popular, not just because they are pushed by the corporations. Unless you provide a solution comparable to that, you can keep the recommandation to yourself or other tech literate people.
Great info I never knew this. 👏
Thank you for eloquently giving my shared anger a voice!
I appreciate your channel.
Imagine having open source tv. Well i guess you could if you had the option to buy a non-smart oled monitor or something like that... And then if you want you could hook up a android box to it... But no, a proper open source tv, like a smart tv with features that people actually want or care about made by a company with moral and ethics in mind ...
It shouldn't be too bad if the TV uses Android TV with an unlocked bootloader. I know we want open source apps, but there's no way that will happen with all the DRM-ridden Netflix-like apps, so Android is the next best thing.
You can install Kodi on a computer (x86 or ARM) and hook that up to the TV
Look up Plasma Bigscreen. It runs on a Pi or Linux PC and provides a TV interface. I used it back in the days w/ waydroid and Firefox.
Well said and excellent example❤️❤️👍!!
Thank you for your tirelessly researching in and in letting people know about companies who do these underhanded way s to their customers. 🎉
I didn't agree to it which means my kids did and it's invalid.
With the new ruling of parents being libel for their child actions on the gun shooting case where both parents were found guilty of their child's action, it can now be applied to this action loophole by the child pressing the button to get to use the tv. It was warned that the ruling would lead to other actions by children being legally applied to the parents as it is now the parents that have to account for the actions of the child at all times!
@@mmars4032 *liable (different meaning and pronunciation)
"Libel" means written defamation (and is pronounced differently).
*TV
It's interesting because the only real reason you'd want to sue one of these companies is if your data was leaked I actually saw this coming
*interesting, because
*leaked. I (to fix your run-on sentence)
*coming.
Thanks again Louis I've always appreciated your content
Thanks for always bringing up these relevant issues that mainstream just ignore.
Companies today have no moral values, no compassion and nothing more than a drive for more money.
There is no passion in their products as a result.
We need easier open-source options we can control how we see fit on hardware we actually own.
This is why I'm still using a 20 year old 1080p plasma dumb TV. I have no interest in a "smart" TV that is primarily a surveillance and data collection device packed with bloatware you can't remove or opt out of. Why anyone would buy a Roku TV is beyond me.
And what are you watching on your dumb TV ? People buy Roku as a replacement for cable by those who do not want to organize their own streams everyday. It is basically streaming service agregator
I use an LG 32-inch monitor 4k with a Logitech 7.1 Sound system (has a Remote), there I can plug in, Apple TV box, my PC etc
I also don't like this smart TV's, the performance is bad, and this withe Roku, just show that the Company's have control over that ting
Disgraceful
@dmitripogosian5084 Any plug in stick aces roku
What are you going to do when it breaks, and the parts to fix it are no longer available?
The TV in my house was probably bought over 10 years ago. It works fine. We do have a ROKU stick but that thing cannot hold that TV hostage at least cuz I can just unplug it if it tries to pull this nonsense.
Louis, my friend. I completely agree with you in principal. However, ultimately its not Roku that has made this decision. It's their cybersecurity insurance provider. When a serious breach occurs and you are insured, you must follow the guidelines provided by the insurance companies many vendors or lose coverage. As with most things in this world, it's the insurance companies that are lying and stealing.
Their insurance had a provision that says "If you ever have a breach, you must find a way to retroactively force all your customers to 'Agree' to forced arbitration via popup before you publicly admit it or we won't cover you"? (0_o)
Dang. That's awfully specific and forward-thinking of them. Sounds like they should be in the prophecy business rather than insurance. (^_~)
Your use of the word "ultimately" invalidates your statement. Roku presented the terms through their system, so "ultimately" it was them.
*principle (different meaning)
*it's (contraction of "it is" or "it has")
its = possessive pronoun
All contractions have apostrophes. Possessive pronouns never do.
Louis keep fighting the good fight I know this is difficult but you are educating many and you are loved and appreciated.
Thanks! This bothered me that i couldn't refuse it. But UA-cam's overuse of ads has gone too far for me too, I don't even want to use it anymore. All ridiculous.