I consider myself pretty pro trans (obviously not enough for you guys though lol) but you shouldn’t lie about being trans to a potential partner. Im not justifying what happened but you cannot control someone’s reaction to being lied to about the assigned birth gender of someone they had intercourse with. Y’all can get mad all you want but it’s the truth 🤷🏻♂️.
@@footballdesk4417That trying to murder people is bad? Yeah I doubt this POS is ever gonna learn that, but glad we’re on the same page right? You know there are some twisted people who think she deserved this? Man, couldn’t imagine being that kind of sicko, could you?
Who cares why would anyone lie about that, knowing that this could be a reaction? Knowing kids the reaction to their lies isn't the least bit surprising.
It's obviously different even though they stem from the same thing (misperception) Genuinely insane that people are just "ol well they had it coming, it's unfortunate and complex"
@Betweoxwiteganthe violence is not complex. Girl turned him on. He had an orgasm she facilitated. He should be grateful for the fun he had. There was precisely zero reason, other than his bigotry, for him to even need to know she was trans LET ALONE is there ANY justification or mitigating circumstances for this. None. Zilch. This is like letting a rapist off because a girl had a cute outfit on. Sorry no. That’s a “you’re a monster” problem and a failure of the parents and adults who raised those men. The parents should be prosecuted for creating such a monster, as well.
Yeesh… Well, this proves that it doesn’t matter if you’re “passing”. Anti-trans hatred is an existential threat for all trans people. Stay safe out there, everyone.
@@MadDoodles no passing trans person has ever said “I pass so hate crimes don’t happen to me” This person is just a jealous gigahun that can’t pass so they feel the need to rub it in peoples faces
Men lie to get sex to the point that it's a joke in a lot of movies and other media. Stabbing men to death because they lied about loving you/being single/having a high-paying job etc would never be justified. This is attempted murder.
This isn’t even trans panic. The guy she had sex with wasn’t the one who stabbed her. And it wasn’t immediately during/after the act. This was premeditated and thought it out.
@@themajesticspider-man6116 No, they DONT actually want to since it's the same with the most extreme homophobes being found with rentboys and on grindr
Honestly, I'm glad the victim survived. And if any straight/bi/pansexual trans girls or enbies reading this, be careful with whom you have sex with cause they could be dangerous to you.
Don’t worry, I’m not the hot type of trans person. Rather the one who is indistinguishable from a shlubby loser male nerd. So I’m probably not having sex with anyone for a long time. Or at all.
The sentence is too light, especially considering they were gleeful and bragging after the fact. They didn't learn anything from this, showed no remorse, and are going to come out of prison as the same violent hateful pieces of shit they went in as.
we literally live among demons and we cannot let anybody that supported this party and these pundits ever forget it for the rest of their lives, they chose hatred and death
@@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869 For the majority of history it is, if you were to count "normal" as "prone to violence monsters" then yeah they are "normal". Appeal to nature is their identity.
@@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869 the "law and order" people defending the stabby mob 🙄 But to be honest, it doesn't even surprise me at this point 🥱, they're just evil
Having the stabber (a ciswoman) be pictured is hilarious because you know there are people gonna think she's the victim and try to clock her like "we'll clearly that's a man, look at their arms"
@@BudewFan_ UA-cam deletes basically all my posts calling them what I wanna call them lmao, which is fair cause I sound like a 1940s windmill enthusiast when I describe them
I found one who was left wing identified and made him jump through so many hoops including an STI test lol Been together ten years now. If you're trans and you're gonna dip in the penis pool do that.
I'm so sorry some day this bigotry will end all we can do is keep pushing back and as long as I am around I won't stand for anyone in my presence being a bigot without push back. My eldest child suffered from dysphoria when younger and while it's generally worked out and she has decided to be a she I had this view before my own child was affected.
"They should've disclosed they were trans before having sex" Bruh wtf are they supposed to do? If they're open about it, they get hate crimed. If they hide it, they get hate crimed. Sidenote, did this happen in front of other people cuz if so what were they doing while this girl was getting stabbed over a dozen times!? Not saying I'd be a superhero and take em all on by myself cuz I've never been in this situation but I'd like to think I'd do SOMETHING!!
Counterpoint: the guy shouldve disclosed before sex that he was a transphobe. If you dont wanna accidentally fck a trans person, that seems like a pretty reliable way to avoid that. And frankly, I think its fair to not wanna have sex with transphobes, I know I wouldnt.
@@Alex-cq1zr or every detail of your medical history. personally, I think it would be useful if men with a violent criminal record were required to disclose before sleeping with anyone. alas, that is not the case
I am trans. I definitely think you should disclose that you are trans before having sex. I am post op and would still disclose. Because the fact is that there lesbians who wouldn't want to taste my rainbow. Someone not disclosing in no way justifies attacking them like this. The whole "sex by deception" argument made me wonder if people apply this to disabilities, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc. Is it sex by deception if I don't tell someone that I am autistic? What about not telling them that I am Mexican? What if someone neglects to tell someone that they are bisexual? Or what about a guy not mentioning that he isn't circumcised? It seems to me like right wingers are only going to apply this to trans people and not other categories. Because you can't expect consistency on the right.
Unfortunately they do, I got attacked by a mob because I didn't tell someone I'm autistic despite being extremely high functioning, a broken coller bone and jaw later and no charges on them because they were under age.
@Mayan_88694 if it's something like aids that actually ends people sure I agree, but you're really gonna defend belting disabled people for not disclosing? Something sick in ya brain mate
@@AbCd-kq3ky Yeah? I mean life in prison is pretty much the most severe punishment we can dish out that doesn't involve the immorality of the death penalty? All in all, I don't distinguish between attempted murder and actual murder. The crimes both have the same intent. The only difference is one wasn't able to achieve the goal, and the other one did.
You realise that if the sentence was life, then that just means that people are incentivised to make sure the job is fully done right? Is that actually what you want?
@ Are you antifeminist I'm curious. We both condemn transphobia but because I also condemn misogyny you take issue with that? I thought we were on the same side. We should be profeminist and protrans
@pho3nix-e7c I'm not "anti feminist". I dislike when people assume I am worse than an animal, which people do a bit too often for my liking, both homophobic folks (because I'm gay) and some other people (because I'm not really talking about being gay that often so they assume I'm straight and can't stop myself from raping any woman I'm left alone with for more than an hour) Saying "men are worse than bears" isn't feminism. It's hatred.
I mean, I agree that you shouldn’t be an antifeminist, but Vaush is not a religion. You can watch his streams for entertainment and you aren’t required to agree with everything he says. Or any of it, really.
@@Idziemel1Yeah but the issue is that these people agree with all his other socially progressive and economically leftist views BUT when it comes to feminism they dismiss womens issues or even play devils advocate for blackpill talking points. I have even seen some of them attacking chatters based on their gender saying "you're a woman you wouldn't know anything about the male loneliness epidemic" It's understandable when a right winger holds these views but someone who calls themselves a leftist should know better
@@DonCitrus Well, it may be just a bad example of what you wanted to communicate, but what do women know about the male loneliness epidemic? A lonely man is likely to have no one pther than family members, maybe one or two close friend, sometimes only one of these or even neither, while women who don't have boyfriends/husbands still have family, friends, relatively to pretty extensive support systems, and they may even have one night stands as a suboptimal alternative (in most women's eyes) to a long term relationship.
@Idziemel1 I mean, he talks about this stuff regularly...nobody's saying it's not allowed, it's just weird to be a misogynist while regularly watching a guy who's an open feminist? Like that must be a ragebait thing to some degree.
i find it interesting that people that will speak of right and wrong will literally admit they care more about something as being trans gender being worse than literal murder. im convinced these people do not ascribe to even the 10 commandments
6 of the 10 commandments are literally "Believe only me and do not question me" type of murder shit. "do not kill" is based tho. But idk, just pray and you'l be forgiven if you're straight enough.
@@TheKiroshi TRUE. And the way right wing religious nuts argue about how "we need religion and the 10 commandments or else we would think murder is okay" just really says all that needs to be said about them. I also want to say to the OP that you can never win with the right by pointing out the aspects of christianity that contradicts their beliefs. They never cared about religion in the first place. They only use it as a weapon for power, like it always has been in past centuries. If you think they really cared about religion, why is it that all these reactionaries turn out to be degenerate, adulterers, and closeted?
MAGA weirdos is exactly the right way to describe them. Always use that when referring to them. Never let them forget that's what they and their beliefs are.
When someone tries to tarnish a hate crime victim who has suffered this much, in order to justify attempted murder. This so called "psychologist" should go to jail
I am transgender 🏳️⚧️. It is a debilitating medical problem. I was born with the wrong body, or wrong brain, whichever way you choose look at it. I am in pain every moment of every day because of this. It is not a political or religious belief, just a medical ailment. If I had any other medical problem instead, they would accept me and feel sorry for me. So why is this medical issue cause so much hatred, fear, and disgust? Thank you for speaking up for Trans people!
To nitpick and be a bit of an asshole: the rightwing would hate you for many medical issues, from crippled limbs to mental conditions they dont care about people... I hope the world we live in gets better tho, and you dont have to suffer these horrible stigmas and hate and the risk of violence but yeah
It seems like the goal was to pin most of this on her because she already had a criminal history, and clearly had no issues with doing the stabbing herself. The guy that planned this definitely deserved way more than three months.
Can we just fucking stop saying she was lying??? She's a woman and told him she's a woman, there is no fucking lie... None of your business what she was born with... If she'd been born with too many limbs and had them removed since, would they have stabbed her for not declaring she was actually a spider? cus that's the same level of idiocy... 😞😞😞😢😢😢
Lie by omission. He thought she was cis and she didn’t tell him she was trans. The other partner deserves to know. Trans girls have to be smarter and I say this as one myself.
@@Xxsorafan - "oh i'm sorry, you didn't disclose you're entire medical history during the most random interaction? You are stupid and got stabbed" You said "PARTNER" and partners can be expected to know that stuff, but this is some dumb teenager sex shit. It's not a lie, it's not relevant information.
@zuckergolf4442 lots of women would prefer not to get stabbed, does that mean every man with violent urges and an attitude problem should disclose that?
If she still becomes a model and shows off her scars that will be so based. She can be like a living hot emmet till. Doing photoshoots to show off how she’s been hurt but how she’s persevering.
About the safety and selective thing, a couple years ago when 4chan was still a thing I remember seeing a guy there boasting about sleeping with transmen and infecting them with HIV. Cause he had it, didn’t disclose it and they had unprotected sex. I don’t know if it was actually true but PLEASE never have unprotected sex with someone you don’t know.
The reason juvenile law exists is not to have "less punishing" options for youth, it's because younger minds can be fixed up in different ways that adult ones. In civilised countries it's all about reducing recidivism and you don't do that by putting a 14yold in with 30-50yold guys, that's doing the exact opposite.
I doubt the stabber can be fixed at this point tbh... Collecting knives in an orphanage? And having a criminal record that filled at just 19? Yeah nah...
So you're telling me you can't sleep with a trans without finding out they are trans? Dang. I was totally trying to think of a way this could have happened 😅 Them being fine with it in the moment and then panicking once people find out about it makes way more sense.
I got dumped literally the day of my 1y anniversary because they didn't want people to know we were together. Then that weekend at a big social event Infront of his friends he tried getting kissy and touchy feely. Some people are bewildering to understand.
This….THIS is why despite living in an inescapable cage, suffering every single day, still wear my facial hair and go by my birth name. I simply am not safe in this world….and here I was thinking of finally reaching out and opening up.. how stupid of me
I understand your suffering but I also think that surrounding yourself with the right people who support you makes all the difference in the world when it comes to your transition journey! My parents are the type to try and convert me, berate me, and I still rely on them for sheltering me and providing me with food, but having friends by my side to listen to my struggles makes my life worth living. At least in my opinion.
I'd think if it happened to me that like they'd just be like "o im not interested actually" and that be it, like nothing happens, I never thought I'd worry about "Well, i gotta take in account that I'm gonna get stabbed tonight."
One of my best friends is trans (and I think the other was bi). While I am a hetero dude, I shudder to think what sort of world other straight guys are leaving, not only for them, but for me. I mean, my father convinced my mother into liking him out of sweet personality, but it still is a dreadful concept that we have to assume we are seen as a threat, with good reasons.
I think it is quite telling how far the UK has gone when you compare the relatively balanced Daily Mail comments for this story to the absolutely insane comments on the GB News article
Do you believe that it's justified if every single hater towards lgbtq people is also hunted? These haters commit terrorist attacks all day every day without consequences around the globe, why would it be bad if they experienced the same sort of hate? I mean you threat a congress woman and you get promoted, you call them rap.... Without evidence and get applauded.... The murderes also walk free, so how would the vigilante actions as anti-haters is wrong?
Because an eye for an eye justice doesn't work. It brings no positive change. It will only radicalize everyone on both sides, which in turn will cause even more violence. I think that's pretty obvious, no?
The reason sentences aren't as long in the UK is because they have sentence maximums. This is pretty normal in civilized countries. Everyone shouldn't be getting life sentences for everything.
Everything is crazy long in america and people wonder why we have revolving door for current crime. Because it's full of people who did stuff in the 90s... We hurt ourselves just to be more punitive.
@@rainbowsorceress2082We still have life sentences for murder. We don’t add up sentences here though, generally (AFAIK) you’ll do the time of the longest sentence of whatever you’ve been convicted of.
You really should have looked into this... in the UK, the maximum sentence for attempted murder is a lifetime. The minimun is setencing length + 3.5 years for minors.
Here I was thinking this was America, turns out it happened close to my part of the country, I’m scared sh tless for trans people rn and for myself since it’s going to move to queer people in general
While i agree that the ethics of not telling someone you're trans before doing any sort of sex act are... questionable, i feel like most trans people are open and honest about these things. I wouldnt be surprised if he already knew and is now lying for sympathy
Why is it always a moral/ethical thing with yall cis folk? Stop judging trans people and how we choose to conduct ourselves. Go away lmfao, no one asked ur opinion and it doesn’t matter, particularly because u r cis. Next!
@@rainkidwell2467 If you know a fact about yourself might make someone extremely uncomfortable after doing something together, I think you have an ethical duty to disclose that before.
I'm assuming that with their statement, OP isnt blaming the victim, insted theyre implying the the stabber was so much of a dickhead and clear transphobe that the victim knew from the get-go that it would be a better idea for her own safety to not disclose the fact that she's trans. It's somewhat of a rhetorical question.
@@shannonstrobel6727 I'm going to assume that OP isn't blaming the girl and instead drawing attention to the fact that the stabber was probably so incredibly transphobic from the get-go that the victim knew not to disclose her being trans for her safety. Rhetorical question or something.
@@judyfps5059 i think you're right. i don't watch f1nn on a regular basis but i feel like i would've heard about them fully transitioning if it happened
fortunately, cases like this dont hold up well in court 😂 no matter how many assholes defend this scum, she is definitely 100% going to jail, along with a few of the bystanders i assume. and the way that people nowadays just stand around instead of helping stop someone from BEING STABBED 12 TIMES is baffling
"We can always tell"
(Literally has sex with her because they can't tell)
Transphobes are too busy accusing random cis people of being trans that that they fail to identify actual trans people.
If you dont go out of your way to deceive, yes.
I consider myself pretty pro trans (obviously not enough for you guys though lol) but you shouldn’t lie about being trans to a potential partner. Im not justifying what happened but you cannot control someone’s reaction to being lied to about the assigned birth gender of someone they had intercourse with. Y’all can get mad all you want but it’s the truth 🤷🏻♂️.
@@Wheels36H3WM Yeah, I too can always read someones mind when they tell me what they are thinking.
This proves that it doesn’t matter if you’re “passing”. Anti-trans hatred is an existential threat for all trans people.
"It's your fault you made me stab you repeatedly with a preplanned group!"
Every hate crimer ever.
So glad she survived, I wish her absolute luck.
I was so panicked I had to call for back up and set up an elaborate scheme to “get back” at them
@@footballdesk4417 who?
@@footballdesk4417That trying to murder people is bad? Yeah I doubt this POS is ever gonna learn that, but glad we’re on the same page right?
You know there are some twisted people who think she deserved this? Man, couldn’t imagine being that kind of sicko, could you?
@@adamsmasher9769 the dude that is the sex offender that got stabbed.
@@adamsmasher9769 the poor girl that got stabbed
I like how none of the comments being up the fact that the only reason they found out she was trans was because he secretly recorded her.
Oh, so he's also a creep too.
@@Psyker_Unredactusthat seemed obvious from the fact they literally organized a hate mob and attempted murder.
@@Psyker_Unredactus what a shocker
He did WHAT?!
Who cares why would anyone lie about that, knowing that this could be a reaction? Knowing kids the reaction to their lies isn't the least bit surprising.
Does this mean I can do the same to men who lie to me about being in a relationship? I consented to being with someone who is single after all.
It's obviously different even though they stem from the same thing (misperception)
Genuinely insane that people are just "ol well they had it coming, it's unfortunate and complex"
100%
@Betweoxwiteganthe violence is not complex.
Girl turned him on. He had an orgasm she facilitated. He should be grateful for the fun he had.
There was precisely zero reason, other than his bigotry, for him to even need to know she was trans LET ALONE is there ANY justification or mitigating circumstances for this.
None.
Zilch.
This is like letting a rapist off because a girl had a cute outfit on.
Sorry no. That’s a “you’re a monster” problem and a failure of the parents and adults who raised those men. The parents should be prosecuted for creating such a monster, as well.
That's not even close to the same thing.
that would be a hate crime. cis-gendered men have been wrongfuly targeted by the woke mob.
/s
The fact "gay panic" was ever a defense is wild
Also brits have a huge car modifying culture
@@Villani_AVSo does The US, America also has higher knife crime rates even tho it's a British thing somehow
@@realworld7049 hows it feel to defend the premeditated attempted murder of a teenager?
Pretty sure it’s still a viable defense strategy in several states
@@realworld7049 If you believed that you wouldn't have voted for Trump or be a conservative in general.
Yeesh… Well, this proves that it doesn’t matter if you’re “passing”. Anti-trans hatred is an existential threat for all trans people. Stay safe out there, everyone.
And? What you want to attack passing trans people? Ew
@@monotypical_Wind your neck in and possibly work on that reading comprehension.
@@MadDoodles no passing trans person has ever said “I pass so hate crimes don’t happen to me”
This person is just a jealous gigahun that can’t pass so they feel the need to rub it in peoples faces
Don't lie to people and this will never be an issue.
@@trevorD1156 what lie? Sounds like you just don’t like the truth your own senses can tell you about someone
That should all be charged with attempted murder.
Exactly, what is with these screwed up in the head mfs just ganking people because they're trans?
yurp
It was literally attempted murder. Like objectively.
They would have been if she was cis.
ah but you see, it is not murder if its not human.
same old tactics.
Men lie to get sex to the point that it's a joke in a lot of movies and other media. Stabbing men to death because they lied about loving you/being single/having a high-paying job etc would never be justified. This is attempted murder.
I got stealthed once and the guy (my now ex) lied about it when I confronted him. How many stabs do I get?
@@CharlieApples oh at least 37
This isn’t even trans panic. The guy she had sex with wasn’t the one who stabbed her. And it wasn’t immediately during/after the act. This was premeditated and thought it out.
They did get sentenced. 4 years of youth detention + 3 years of probation, for attempted murder. Welcome to Britain.
Their wrists were bright red from such a hard slap.
The "we can always tell crowd" seems to never be able to tell...
@@themajesticspider-man6116 No, they DONT actually want to since it's the same with the most extreme homophobes being found with rentboys and on grindr
nah that boy knew she was trans and lied to save face in front of his friends, my ex did it to me too
You’re assuming the race of the perpetrators.
Where that come from?@@justsomeguy6336
And the people who say that tend not to pass.
Honestly, I'm glad the victim survived. And if any straight/bi/pansexual trans girls or enbies reading this, be careful with whom you have sex with cause they could be dangerous to you.
This goes for any trans person frankly. Some day we’re gonna get the headline of a terfy lesbian attacking a trans woman she was talking to
"Honestly" like it's a hot take to not want her to have died 😂
Trans lesbian is the optimal way to play for both:
Emotional fulfillment
And safety
@@EdgieAlias in this environment, it kind of is.
Don’t worry, I’m not the hot type of trans person. Rather the one who is indistinguishable from a shlubby loser male nerd. So I’m probably not having sex with anyone for a long time. Or at all.
The sentence is too light, especially considering they were gleeful and bragging after the fact. They didn't learn anything from this, showed no remorse, and are going to come out of prison as the same violent hateful pieces of shit they went in as.
this is so horrifying holy shit
And they're supposedly the "normal ones"
nah. migrants are the horrifying ones. /s
clown world.
we literally live among demons and we cannot let anybody that supported this party and these pundits ever forget it for the rest of their lives, they chose hatred and death
@@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869 For the majority of history it is, if you were to count "normal" as "prone to violence monsters" then yeah they are "normal". Appeal to nature is their identity.
@@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869 the "law and order" people defending the stabby mob 🙄
But to be honest, it doesn't even surprise me at this point 🥱, they're just evil
Having the stabber (a ciswoman) be pictured is hilarious because you know there are people gonna think she's the victim and try to clock her like "we'll clearly that's a man, look at their arms"
Please, I wanna see those comment sections!
10/10 editorial decision lmao
Yeah if you try to justify this or downplay it, you're goofy.
Normalize calling those people weird, gross, and or any basic othering insult like that
@@BudewFan_ UA-cam deletes basically all my posts calling them what I wanna call them lmao, which is fair cause I sound like a 1940s windmill enthusiast when I describe them
@@Mae_Dastardly BE creative with how you type ;)
I'm curious to hear what you meant to say 😂
@@BudewFan_ To be honest, insults like "goofy" seem to throw them off. It causes a different kind of psychic damage.
@ I try lol but the algo's gotten wise to my schenanigans, prob cuz I've been reported and muted so many times lmao
And this is why I don't do men. Even if I disclose, they're still likely to turn on me the moment someone else finds out about me.
I found one who was left wing identified and made him jump through so many hoops including an STI test lol Been together ten years now. If you're trans and you're gonna dip in the penis pool do that.
I'm so sorry some day this bigotry will end all we can do is keep pushing back and as long as I am around I won't stand for anyone in my presence being a bigot without push back. My eldest child suffered from dysphoria when younger and while it's generally worked out and she has decided to be a she I had this view before my own child was affected.
Some guys arent gay....
@@Wheels36H3WM
What was your point with that comment exactly
@@Wheels36H3WM Doesn't justify murdering trans people
"They should've disclosed they were trans before having sex" Bruh wtf are they supposed to do? If they're open about it, they get hate crimed. If they hide it, they get hate crimed.
Sidenote, did this happen in front of other people cuz if so what were they doing while this girl was getting stabbed over a dozen times!? Not saying I'd be a superhero and take em all on by myself cuz I've never been in this situation but I'd like to think I'd do SOMETHING!!
Apparently they found out she was trans because he recorded the interaction without her knowledge
Yeah - it's not different than someone not disclosing any of the countless possible deviations from the "norm"
I mean she did get saved, so I'm assuming someone called an ambulance on her
Counterpoint: the guy shouldve disclosed before sex that he was a transphobe.
If you dont wanna accidentally fck a trans person, that seems like a pretty reliable way to avoid that.
And frankly, I think its fair to not wanna have sex with transphobes, I know I wouldnt.
@@Alex-cq1zr or every detail of your medical history.
personally, I think it would be useful if men with a violent criminal record were required to disclose before sleeping with anyone. alas, that is not the case
I am trans. I definitely think you should disclose that you are trans before having sex. I am post op and would still disclose. Because the fact is that there lesbians who wouldn't want to taste my rainbow.
Someone not disclosing in no way justifies attacking them like this.
The whole "sex by deception" argument made me wonder if people apply this to disabilities, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc. Is it sex by deception if I don't tell someone that I am autistic? What about not telling them that I am Mexican? What if someone neglects to tell someone that they are bisexual? Or what about a guy not mentioning that he isn't circumcised? It seems to me like right wingers are only going to apply this to trans people and not other categories. Because you can't expect consistency on the right.
Unfortunately they do, I got attacked by a mob because I didn't tell someone I'm autistic despite being extremely high functioning, a broken coller bone and jaw later and no charges on them because they were under age.
If the person doesn’t disclose, they have it coming
If the person doesn’t disclose, they have it coming.
@Mayan_88694 if it's something like aids that actually ends people sure I agree, but you're really gonna defend belting disabled people for not disclosing? Something sick in ya brain mate
@sol-tf8hu That sucks!
6 of them have been sentenced. The ringleader got 8 years.
Honestly? Not enough. She should get life without parole.
Life in prison for attempted murder? Really?
@AbCd-kq3ky A hate crime, yes. Only the ringleader, though.
@@AbCd-kq3ky You saying attempted murder makes it seem like someone wasn't beaten and stabbed within an inch of their life.
@@AbCd-kq3ky Yeah? I mean life in prison is pretty much the most severe punishment we can dish out that doesn't involve the immorality of the death penalty? All in all, I don't distinguish between attempted murder and actual murder. The crimes both have the same intent. The only difference is one wasn't able to achieve the goal, and the other one did.
You realise that if the sentence was life, then that just means that people are incentivised to make sure the job is fully done right? Is that actually what you want?
Trans panic is one thing, but arranging a premeditated murder on someone else's behalf should be difficult to defend for even the most unhinged lol
Idk seems like the same kind of thing but with extra steps.
I read the video title and think:
"Is it another day that ends in 'y' already!?"
This is why women choose the bear and I'm expecting transphobes who excuse what happened to her, to disagree in the replues
Except for the fact that a woman was the one to stab her
You are onto nothing
@ Wait are you pro trans but antifeminist?
@ Are you antifeminist I'm curious. We both condemn transphobia but because I also condemn misogyny you take issue with that? I thought we were on the same side. We should be profeminist and protrans
@pho3nix-e7c I'm not "anti feminist". I dislike when people assume I am worse than an animal, which people do a bit too often for my liking, both homophobic folks (because I'm gay) and some other people (because I'm not really talking about being gay that often so they assume I'm straight and can't stop myself from raping any woman I'm left alone with for more than an hour)
Saying "men are worse than bears" isn't feminism. It's hatred.
@ You do realise "misandry" is more comparable to "heterophobia" or "antiwhite racism" not homophobia
Imagine being a fan of vaush and watching him 24/7 yet still being antifeminist, shows how little you have listened to him
I mean, I agree that you shouldn’t be an antifeminist, but Vaush is not a religion. You can watch his streams for entertainment and you aren’t required to agree with everything he says. Or any of it, really.
@@Idziemel1Yeah but the issue is that these people agree with all his other socially progressive and economically leftist views BUT when it comes to feminism they dismiss womens issues or even play devils advocate for blackpill talking points. I have even seen some of them attacking chatters based on their gender saying "you're a woman you wouldn't know anything about the male loneliness epidemic"
It's understandable when a right winger holds these views but someone who calls themselves a leftist should know better
@@Idziemel1 what "entertainment" is there to take from vaush unless you align with his values?? he's not an entertainer, he's a commentator.
@@DonCitrus Well, it may be just a bad example of what you wanted to communicate, but what do women know about the male loneliness epidemic? A lonely man is likely to have no one pther than family members, maybe one or two close friend, sometimes only one of these or even neither, while women who don't have boyfriends/husbands still have family, friends, relatively to pretty extensive support systems, and they may even have one night stands as a suboptimal alternative (in most women's eyes) to a long term relationship.
@Idziemel1 I mean, he talks about this stuff regularly...nobody's saying it's not allowed, it's just weird to be a misogynist while regularly watching a guy who's an open feminist? Like that must be a ragebait thing to some degree.
i find it interesting that people that will speak of right and wrong will literally admit they care more about something as being trans gender being worse than literal murder. im convinced these people do not ascribe to even the 10 commandments
6 of the 10 commandments are literally "Believe only me and do not question me" type of murder shit.
"do not kill" is based tho. But idk, just pray and you'l be forgiven if you're straight enough.
@@TheKiroshi TRUE. And the way right wing religious nuts argue about how "we need religion and the 10 commandments or else we would think murder is okay" just really says all that needs to be said about them. I also want to say to the OP that you can never win with the right by pointing out the aspects of christianity that contradicts their beliefs. They never cared about religion in the first place. They only use it as a weapon for power, like it always has been in past centuries. If you think they really cared about religion, why is it that all these reactionaries turn out to be degenerate, adulterers, and closeted?
As a woman who has been SA'd, graped and being in an abusive relationship, thank you for this video
MAGA weirdos is exactly the right way to describe them. Always use that when referring to them. Never let them forget that's what they and their beliefs are.
Maga brits?
Make Anglia Great Again?
Yea the majority of voters chose that side... Partially because they don't and never will understand trans people.
You’re assuming they’re white and Republican.
Why do you think that does anything? Maga weirdos are PROUD to be maga weirdos after all.
When someone tries to tarnish a hate crime victim who has suffered this much, in order to justify attempted murder. This so called "psychologist" should go to jail
psychology is a pseudoscience, anyways.
I am transgender 🏳️⚧️. It is a debilitating medical problem. I was born with the wrong body, or wrong brain, whichever way you choose look at it. I am in pain every moment of every day because of this. It is not a political or religious belief, just a medical ailment. If I had any other medical problem instead, they would accept me and feel sorry for me. So why is this medical issue cause so much hatred, fear, and disgust? Thank you for speaking up for Trans people!
To nitpick and be a bit of an asshole: the rightwing would hate you for many medical issues, from crippled limbs to mental conditions they dont care about people... I hope the world we live in gets better tho, and you dont have to suffer these horrible stigmas and hate and the risk of violence but yeah
@ Thank you for your hope 😊🙏
@@cookies23zthose would still garner significantly less hate. Nobody is legislating away the basic human dignity of amputees
what is this post? calling gender dysphoria a "debilitating medical problem" feels very transmedicalist
@@rainkidwell2467 unfortunately the right kinda is trying to write off disabled people including amputees.
It seems like the goal was to pin most of this on her because she already had a criminal history, and clearly had no issues with doing the stabbing herself.
The guy that planned this definitely deserved way more than three months.
Can we just fucking stop saying she was lying??? She's a woman and told him she's a woman, there is no fucking lie... None of your business what she was born with... If she'd been born with too many limbs and had them removed since, would they have stabbed her for not declaring she was actually a spider? cus that's the same level of idiocy... 😞😞😞😢😢😢
If it's lying or not, it's a valid preference to have. We should, to the best of our ability, respect other peoples preferences.
Lie by omission. He thought she was cis and she didn’t tell him she was trans. The other partner deserves to know. Trans girls have to be smarter and I say this as one myself.
Others don't have to be as deluded as your lot.
@@Xxsorafan - "oh i'm sorry, you didn't disclose you're entire medical history during the most random interaction? You are stupid and got stabbed"
You said "PARTNER" and partners can be expected to know that stuff, but this is some dumb teenager sex shit.
It's not a lie, it's not relevant information.
@zuckergolf4442 lots of women would prefer not to get stabbed, does that mean every man with violent urges and an attitude problem should disclose that?
If she still becomes a model and shows off her scars that will be so based. She can be like a living hot emmet till. Doing photoshoots to show off how she’s been hurt but how she’s persevering.
You thought that was just cool to type out and send huh😮💨
@@jusbetter7634 it would be cool yeah
@@jusbetter7634honestly its based. It would be both inspiring for the trans community, supportive to models, and healthy to society.
"Living hot Emmet till" is so fucking chronically online go outside please
Shouldn't have to explain how that's not okay
These are the same people who turn around and complain about the left not tolerating the right and how we should just "try to heal the division".
About the safety and selective thing, a couple years ago when 4chan was still a thing I remember seeing a guy there boasting about sleeping with transmen and infecting them with HIV. Cause he had it, didn’t disclose it and they had unprotected sex.
I don’t know if it was actually true but PLEASE never have unprotected sex with someone you don’t know.
The reason juvenile law exists is not to have "less punishing" options for youth, it's because younger minds can be fixed up in different ways that adult ones. In civilised countries it's all about reducing recidivism and you don't do that by putting a 14yold in with 30-50yold guys, that's doing the exact opposite.
Yeaaah, noooo.
They've debunked the whole "kids are easier to teach" thing.
That might be the mentality but that's still wrong. 💀
I doubt the stabber can be fixed at this point tbh... Collecting knives in an orphanage? And having a criminal record that filled at just 19? Yeah nah...
@ I never said anything about "easier", though I'd like to see what studies you have to show regarding that issue. Key word here is "different".
Right, so a 19 year old is broken irrevocably, agreed. This one should go straight to prison
Yeah you are probably talking to Americans. We had to stop executing minors and a minor having the possibility of parole
You called it Vaush, bet the guy knew and was cool with it until someone else found out.
So you're telling me you can't sleep with a trans without finding out they are trans?
Dang. I was totally trying to think of a way this could have happened 😅
Them being fine with it in the moment and then panicking once people find out about it makes way more sense.
Ikr, absolutely 🤡 behavior on the stabber's part
Do you also say "a black" when referring to a black person?
I got dumped literally the day of my 1y anniversary because they didn't want people to know we were together. Then that weekend at a big social event Infront of his friends he tried getting kissy and touchy feely.
Some people are bewildering to understand.
@@chloeholmes4641 What else am I supposed to say? Pink?
@@améliehester6996 black person.
I'm honestly glad your chat broke, they are by far my least favorite part of your videos
The outlets publishing titles that unfair are fucking criminal too. Justifying a crime in the headline is crazy.
Horrifying
nope. it is actually baseline conservative values at work.
@@AD-ub7ly Baseline conservative values are horrific.
@@cass7448 yes. yes they are.
I know, you meet a chick and suddenly you are gay.
@@AD-ub7ly that's exactly what OP said!
It's kinda weird they require the trans person to let them know they're hatable. That's pretty effin weird.
Damn, I also thought the photo was the stabbee, not the stabber
I believe the victim is anonymous still for her safety.
@@rubymeaddlewhich is far better for her, given how people react online...
'law and order' conservatism for thee, but not for me
hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come over the next 4 years.
Never opening a youtube comment section again.
the masks are really off this time aren't they, huh....
This….THIS is why despite living in an inescapable cage, suffering every single day, still wear my facial hair and go by my birth name. I simply am not safe in this world….and here I was thinking of finally reaching out and opening up.. how stupid of me
I understand your suffering but I also think that surrounding yourself with the right people who support you makes all the difference in the world when it comes to your transition journey! My parents are the type to try and convert me, berate me, and I still rely on them for sheltering me and providing me with food, but having friends by my side to listen to my struggles makes my life worth living. At least in my opinion.
You genuinely should consider moving to New Zealand. It's a LOT more accepting of LGBTQ+ people than the US or the UK ❤
What a massive L for hateful scvm, not only did she survive but they also filmed it themselves 🤦
She was a victim of transphobia and misogyny
It's as hateful as the Montreal sh00ter Marc Lepine who went on to unalive 14 women due to their gender
Poc, lgbtq folks and women are marginalised
5:14 This wasn't even about having intercourse this was about just head. Literally just head.
I'd think if it happened to me that like they'd just be like "o im not interested actually" and that be it, like nothing happens, I never thought I'd worry about "Well, i gotta take in account that I'm gonna get stabbed tonight."
One of my best friends is trans (and I think the other was bi). While I am a hetero dude, I shudder to think what sort of world other straight guys are leaving, not only for them, but for me.
I mean, my father convinced my mother into liking him out of sweet personality, but it still is a dreadful concept that we have to assume we are seen as a threat, with good reasons.
Disclosure is a privilege not a right!
dont worry, you dont need to disclose it HAHA
You're not obligated to actual women's bodies. 🍇is not a right either.
Anyone else noticing there is heaps of alleged comments but when you click there's no replies? Help a brother out here i wanna see the tea
I just wanna be able to live and be myself
"What is it with British people and knives?"
The UK has less knife crime per capita than the US.
Damned if you tell dammed if you don't. If you don't this is what happens, and if you don't they will accuse you of deception
I saw some losers on QUORA DEFENDING THE ATTACKER.
More valid than luigi
attempted murder is attempted murder . Life in prison
Yeah, Emmet Till is what this made me think of. This was a lynching.
Remember, these people laughed about the murder of Matthew Shepard.
This is just the beginning.
I think it is quite telling how far the UK has gone when you compare the relatively balanced Daily Mail comments for this story to the absolutely insane comments on the GB News article
Love from a Suris and Shark3ozero fan!
You may be interested to know that Scottish formalwear contains two concealed knives.
Dirk and Sgian Dubh.
Sláinte.
Wouldn't be shocked if Trump pardons them all.
This was in the uk
@@Angst-traum won't stop him from trying :/
@@Angst-traum UK for 52nd state!
Consider most of the kids were minors. Trump will have them personally attend Giuliani's """interviews""""
What a dreadful reality.
Isn't it nice to have a group of people willing to call out hate crimes when the happen against your group?
Title spelt wrong - R I ght-Wing, with a capital I, please fix
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Do you believe that it's justified if every single hater towards lgbtq people is also hunted?
These haters commit terrorist attacks all day every day without consequences around the globe, why would it be bad if they experienced the same sort of hate?
I mean you threat a congress woman and you get promoted, you call them rap.... Without evidence and get applauded....
The murderes also walk free, so how would the vigilante actions as anti-haters is wrong?
Because an eye for an eye justice doesn't work. It brings no positive change. It will only radicalize everyone on both sides, which in turn will cause even more violence.
I think that's pretty obvious, no?
@@tant_necromant2757Would it be hatred to say cis people or straight people are worse then bears
those cricket sticks might work for a good melee brawl. other then that maybe a hockey stick (not on ice in their case).
The reason sentences aren't as long in the UK is because they have sentence maximums. This is pretty normal in civilized countries. Everyone shouldn't be getting life sentences for everything.
Everything is crazy long in america and people wonder why we have revolving door for current crime.
Because it's full of people who did stuff in the 90s... We hurt ourselves just to be more punitive.
yeah but they tried to murder someone
@@rainbowsorceress2082We still have life sentences for murder. We don’t add up sentences here though, generally (AFAIK) you’ll do the time of the longest sentence of whatever you’ve been convicted of.
@ Who said let them go?
You really should have looked into this... in the UK, the maximum sentence for attempted murder is a lifetime. The minimun is setencing length + 3.5 years for minors.
Gen z has got to be one of the dumbest generations ever
Just wait til Gen alpha grows up
And Beta.
hate crimes are hardly exclusive to gen z
Said every generation, ever
@@JackH_123 gen alpha is fucked, i feel sorry for them
joke of a justice system
i love change of heart! beautiful art
We’re kinda in the end times y’all
Here I was thinking this was America, turns out it happened close to my part of the country, I’m scared sh tless for trans people rn and for myself since it’s going to move to queer people in general
While i agree that the ethics of not telling someone you're trans before doing any sort of sex act are... questionable, i feel like most trans people are open and honest about these things. I wouldnt be surprised if he already knew and is now lying for sympathy
Questionable? Not at all
Why is it always a moral/ethical thing with yall cis folk? Stop judging trans people and how we choose to conduct ourselves. Go away lmfao, no one asked ur opinion and it doesn’t matter, particularly because u r cis. Next!
@@rainkidwell2467 If you know a fact about yourself might make someone extremely uncomfortable after doing something together, I think you have an ethical duty to disclose that before.
@@mdylan3989 People can judge others based on their actions, whether cis or trans. The question is whether or not the judgement is correct.
@katamas832 right, because you have basically no life experience
And water is wet
I wonder why she didnt tell him she was trans
given the end result, would it have mattered?
I am going to ignore the implied victim blame here in hopes you are just being sarcastic.
@ Why the hell would I blame that poor girl?
I'm assuming that with their statement, OP isnt blaming the victim, insted theyre implying the the stabber was so much of a dickhead and clear transphobe that the victim knew from the get-go that it would be a better idea for her own safety to not disclose the fact that she's trans. It's somewhat of a rhetorical question.
@@shannonstrobel6727 I'm going to assume that OP isn't blaming the girl and instead drawing attention to the fact that the stabber was probably so incredibly transphobic from the get-go that the victim knew not to disclose her being trans for her safety.
Rhetorical question or something.
Because she was scared probably
The stabbers are woke.
Sigh....of course they do.
imagine if she off herself after the trauma, i surely hope not but she will not have adequate support in UK
It's bad but the fact the stabber's first reaction after the incident was
Bro im going jail
Will never not be funny
9:30 the UK's prisons are entirely full
Edit: oh someone said it immediately after I posted the comment
It's illegal to run a around with a huge baseball bat
Vauch: "WHAT??"
meanwhile in the US: illegal to walk around with booze
yeaaaa....
Vauch
From words to action.
Conservatives stop being subhuman challenge.
Yeah dawg, get armed.
I fear for F1nn5ter if she ever goes out on a date! 🥺🥺
Is it She now? I thought Finn was more fluid and They was more applicable but I’ve been a bit out of the loop.
@judyfps5059 yea she decided shes trans like 6 months ago or smth
@@judyfps5059 i think you're right. i don't watch f1nn on a regular basis but i feel like i would've heard about them fully transitioning if it happened
@@duckified.She's come out fully, but Iirc still accepts any pronouns
This is eerily like gwen araujo
It was a x crime tho wasnt it
I dont think I can watch this
Do they mention the race of the stabber?
Watch for more than 2 minutes.
oh
fortunately, cases like this dont hold up well in court 😂 no matter how many assholes defend this scum, she is definitely 100% going to jail, along with a few of the bystanders i assume. and the way that people nowadays just stand around instead of helping stop someone from BEING STABBED 12 TIMES is baffling
4 and a half years in young offenders. Basically trans peoples lives are not considered to have the same value in the UK
Feminism is about gender equality and I'm expecting right wingers in the replies to disagree
Did you actually makea new account for this bot shit?
If youre honest youd look at the parallel of who actually carried this out and the crime statistics.
Young people? Teenagers to early 20s?
I saw this. And Amy's ghoulish tweet. These people are evil.
Race pay gap is a real thing. Poc get paid less on average compared to white people
Gender pay gap is also a thing
Is Vaush really a lawyer?
I think we have bigger issues to worry about.