Big Mistake From Pogačar | Tour De France 2024 Stage 19 | THEMOVE
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Lance goes hard on Pogacar today, reflecting on his own similar mistakes he made as a young rider. Today was a heartbreaker for American, Matteo Jorgenson but will he have the legs to give it another try tomorrow?
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Some serious nonsense being talked here. I don’t know where to even start …..
Salt.
Pure salt from a bunch of old has-beens. All they do now is shill product.
Totally agree - LA has gone off at the deep end here. Absolute rubbish. He isn’t remotely “uniquely suited” to talk about about it. People hated on him when he a) treated the peloton with contempt and zero respect, b) did that while cheating.
Tadej, isn’t doing either of those things (unless it turns out he’s cheating too in which case fear not, he will be hated too when it all comes out). But for now we have to do what we did when LA was riding and just take his word for it.
But let’s be clear, back to the original point Lance is talking complete and utter crap here.
yes i agree
If there is one stage you do NOT gift to another rider, it is the Queen stage!
but it wasn't just this one , target will be on his back . Cycling ain't an idealistic sport , it's a political campaign
@@bikers2f8dogma67 It's not 3 weeks of time trials, day after day, but for some reason that is lost on most people commenting.
i dont know bout you but a gifted win is more painful than a hard fought lost
@@bikers2f8dogma67 love the sarcasm ❤
@@bikers2f8dogma67To strike a target you need to be within a striking distance. If you know what I mean…😂
I love the way he races. I hope he never changes. The dude is just on another level and loves to win
When Vingegaard is on his best, Pogi loses.... facts 🙂.... So NO, he is not the best and Pogi knows it.
@@Rundismutti2001 It must only be you who knows it. Right now Pogi and everyone in cycling world know Pogi is the best.
Being the best means also not crash. CRASH MEANS HIDDEN TIREDNES@@Rundismutti2001
@@P4P5exactly !
@@Rundismutti2001 last year Jonas called Pogi the better rider, even Pogi lost the tdf
Criticizing Pog for winning is like criticizing a fish for swimming.
Lance, the difference between you and Tadej is he is the most likeable guy in the peloton and respected both on and off the bike. He just loves to race and that’s why the fans love him!
lance armstrong giving pogi advice how to be popular. the irony.
Somewhat of a point there....Lance was ultra competitive, I don't think he was shaking many hands or cooling down in the same tent. I don't think he disrespected his competition it's just how he was. If he were to lose the Tour like Roglic did a couple years I don't think you would see him around being Jovial.
@@topmech71 He lost 7 tour de France races disgracefully worse than Roglic lost 1.
Nah he’s losing popularity now, no one believes this performance after doing the giro
And I think that just changed
As an American I don’t care about an American being gifted a stage. Talk to me when we have a an actual GC contender.
This ^ What do we want…Pogacar to NOT be a racer? Lmao
It's not an all out race each day.
@@Gsp_in_NYCtell that to every tour de france cyclist. It is an all out race daily. One stage makes a career. They are battling for their lives and salaries daily
I mean Sepp did win the Vuelta.....
@@JohnDoe-sw9zq sepps getting older. I'm disappointed he couldn't ride the tour.
The early narrative that Pogacar was vulnerable at high altitude has been put to rest.
He has been working on his weaknesses since last year. A concept that some people can't seem to grasp.
@@kelato-by4px Exactly. Pogi trained like a lunatic to improve on his weaknesses and Vingegaard had pretty much no preparations for two months before the Tour. But hey, Jonas was just going to get better in week 3 and crack Pogi in the mountains. Right.
@@kelato-by4px Or it’s all that carbon monoxide he’s been sucking down…
Cmon guys, we all know Pogacar, we also know your nationality but if he can win a queen stage of TDF he WILL go for it.
He's a cheat and is rapidly becoming the most disliked man in cycling.
@@joeterzio7175lol disliked by who? He's extremely popular, like a Rockstar in Italy 😅
@@joeterzio7175 As far from the truth as possible. Are people forgetting Jonas last year, but know we talk about cheat? Pathetic
@@hiimrezgaming9885what wrong with Jonas last year? gained 1.30s on a TT where he risked on every corners descending, and he just climed better.plus Pogacar jusr recovered from wirst fracture. if you want to use counter attack method, plz choose a better example, or it will backfire. following your logic, then Pogacar definitely doped and doped even harder than Jonas 😅 I hope they re all clean and all champs
@@joeterzio7175
Void of intellect comment. Go away.
I'm Danish and I absoloutely love Pogi and everybody I've talked to thinks the same. People are just in awe. No hard feelings. Last year people almost felt a bit sorry for Pogi when Jonas crushed him in the third week And the fact Jonas is even ridign a bike in a pro peloton is a gift in itself to most Danes. These guys needs eachother and so do we as fans. Allready looking forward to next years rivalery
I am Danish, and Manny Danish dont like pogi
@@benjaminhedegaard9204 Ja der findes selvfølgelig små mennesker overalt, også i Dk😉
Beautifully said. I’m not Danish, but I am now a huge fan of Denmark because of Jonas…also the other amazing cyclists. And the fact that the greatest climber in the world can come from country so flat as Denmark…pretty spectacular.
As a Slovenian a love this comment. In Slovenia when stage is on we hate Jonas for being so good, but at the finish line, he always gives such respectfull coments in its easy to like him. There is so much mutual respect between these two cycling giants, I hope this rivalry lasts as long as possible.
@@benjaminhedegaard9204you are not danish you just a poggy hater 😢
Everyone was saying...
"Jonas does better in the 3rd week"
"Jonas will come back"
"Jonas put 7 minutes on Tadej in 2 mountain stage in 2023"
Given that, and given that Tadej only had a 3-minute lead, then why should Tadej back off?
And did someone tell Cavendish to not win #35???
They just wanted a close race, but after Jonas beat clean pogi in stage 11 he panicked and fully committed to it to make sure he wins
@@jeremyclarkson9025 First of all everyone wanted to see a close race, and this Tour while if you look at the eventual time, it was not close, but the battles were still exciting to watch unfold, it was not a boring Tour, not at all.
Secondly, in stage 11 Pogi didn't fuel properly and ran out of gas in last few km's. But I see your point that Jonas winning properly did spook UAE a bit since there is the theory that "Jonas becomes better in the 3rd week".
Thirdly, Lance and especially George seem to think Pog is doping, but at the same time George says (with authority) that a fully fit Jonas WILL beat a fully fit Tadej. Ohhkay, but then George doesn't think Jonas is doping too? George is a complete Tadej hater, and this has given rise to intellectual dissonance.
Lastly, the whole mentality of "gifting a win" is a mentaliy of exterme dopers like Lance and USPostal. Dopers feel they need to gift because to atone for their guilt and to keep the official eyes off their backs. But anyone who is an honest competitor and who has worked hard to prepare for a race only race with the purpose of wining. Imagine Cavendish gifting a win, or Usain Bolt gifting a win. Asking Tadej to gift a win on the queen stage, the stage that UAE had targeted to win during their training, is just stupid crazy, and it shows how disconnect the mentality of cheaters (Lance, George, Postal) to the mentality of noncheats.
Never understood this concept. I don’t get mad at Usain Bolt for not letting me win the 100m dash.
Bro you didn't run a 100m dash against Usain Bolt.
Dick comment. Clearly, you don't understand.
The only comparison is that a 1k is broken into 21 100m races. Only happens once a year and has 3 billion viewers.
@@JColinOlson And Pogi used his team extremely well.
@@TonyBeaufordexactly mate. Folk really getting mad at a guy mot letting someone else win. Merckx didnt give many away
Hey Lance, I love you man. We all love you!
I will say this from the bottom of my heart, and I am sure there are many that feel like this. Please don’t start controversy, let the guy do what he does. Don’t be next Lemond for Tadej… I get it’s hard for you and everyone to accept what Tadej does what he does, but until we are proven otherwise let the guy enjoy his moment and we have the right to believe it’s all real. This is coming from someone that got his career destroyed in Track and Field from guys who’s nutritionists was Victor Conte.
Today Tadej didn’t steal a win, he actually did him a favor…. Tadej sees him as a potential challenger. This will make Matteo stronger.
Remember one of your biggest regrets is giving Pantani that stage.
He's a doper and you know he is. Come on, man, don't be dense.
Great comment!!!
Let’s see. Team UAE spent how much (time and $) in training at Isola and planned the entire final climb to the exact point where Pog would attack, but Lance thinks it was a mistake to win?
Yes, I’m sure that everyone involved with the team would have been delighted for Pog to have gifted the win to MJ.
This was an odd episode, TP had every right to push on.
Dark day in American cycling?? I'm American, and I choose to look at it quite the opposite. Matteo "Potato" Jorgenson has now proven to himself and everyone how strong he can be at the end of the toughest 3 week grand tour! Can you imagine how strong he would be if he was protected and sitting on the team wheels instead of with his nose in the wind working every day?!
😂potato … Matteo is super cute and seems very lovable… But I like the potato remark 😂
Matteo, alongside with Remco, IMHO are the two greatest surprises (on the good side) of this tour. Both are strong, young and yet consistent. We can definitely expect for more of their outstanding GC performance in the coming years.
@samozafejsbuk5527 He grew up in Boise, Idaho. It is his nickname. I didn't make it up, so I won't take credit for it.
He still won’t be vingegaard good though
@@waveylp4722 Potentially better in a few years, I'd like to think.
Blows my mind that Pogacar picking off riders one by one in the final minutes after dropping his GC rivals to win the queen stage of the TdF is seen as a bad thing
It's not a bad thing, it's just suspicious and makes people skeptical. It will also ruin cycling (again!) IF he IS up to something.
@@richardmiddleton7770 Suspicious or envy?
@@CoopMauKona10% faster than Pantani, one of the biggest dopers EVER, 6.9 W/kg for 40 minutes is beyond suspicious. Anyone who knows this sport knows that’s impossible without doping.
@baTonkaTruck Enyone will tell you that not everyone endurance is the same.
People just hurt cuz he beating their favorite rider.
@@majkibrthis year he’s on mega juice tho, I mean come on it’s so obvious
Pogacar got destroyed in the past 2 years. He had to destroy them this year..he should go for the vuelta aswell 😂
Yep. No one complained last year when Jonas and Visma crushed an injured Pog and a weak UAE team. Food old fashioned payback
Everyone on Visam saying.. "anything can happen" so Pogacar goes out and secures his win and now hes the bad guy for not gifting a stage to this biggest rival (Visma). You have Jonas bragging that he put 7:30 minutes into Pogacar in 2 stages last year... if you dont think this TdF is personal to Tadej Pogacar you really are clueless.
THIS.
I agree...its personal...he wants to make a statement...
Matteo rode very well but credit to pogacar..he is a beast
YES!! exactly ...
Thank you.
I remember when jonas waited for pogacar after his fall. I guess he should had kept on sprinting. Ugh.
This wasn't about winning the stage, it was about breaking Visma. It's payback time, for that stage where Roglic and Jonas kept attacking him two on one. Also, dont you think Matteo would want to win a stage fair and square, not by being gifted one?
So it’s a childish reaction you mean?
Amen
Exactly. I have a feeling that it's Tadej payback to what Jonas did last year. He broke Tadej. And now at the finish line we saw how emotional Jonas. I"ve been seeing Pogacar was having fun toying with Jonas. You can tell how annoyed he was, when Jonas pip him at the finish line.
The difference is that the teams and overall race were quite close the last two years and that situations like the one you mentioned happened primarly due to strategic errors by Tadej or UAE and not because one of the main rivals spent time in the hospital before the tour. When Tadej cracked last year the gap was not even two minutes before the stage, so there was really something at stake. And Tadej not fueling properly or riding useless attacks is nothing new. This year there is basicly zero competition due to other riders being injured or teams like Visma or Quickstep being understaffed and I am suprised that we aren't at six minutes yet. UAE had very strong teams the last two editions wich get's easily overlooked. I mean, what are they going to prove? That they can beat a hastily thrown together cycling squad with main riders fresh from the hospital? If you are trying a payback atleast do it on equal playing fields.
@@5508Vanderdekken Revenge is a dish best served cold. I remember well last year how Visma taunted Pogacar when Jonas was in the middle of the TT and his sports director or whatever told Jonas over the radio and thus to the whole world: "Show the world who's trully the best." And all other taunts and jabs. So, Pogacar took it personal. He showed who's trully the best, when he is optimally prepared. He wasn't prepared optimally last year because of his wrist injury. This year the tables are turned and Jonas got back some of his own medicine. Jonas thought he will just ride over Pogacar this year because of Pog's bad form last year. Jonas was a bit delusional this year. He got injured in april and still thought he could beat a 100% Pog. Delusional. His ego got big and now Pogacar took him back down from whatever cloud he was on, back to earth and humbled him. And it hurts, the lad couldn't take it and cried. I don't remember Pog crying after loosing twice to Jonas and everytime congratulating him after Jonas beat him. And I don't see Jonas coming to Pog after every stage congratulating him, like Pog did last year. Jonas is a sore looser. His ego is buthurt.
Everybody who would be in Pog's place would've done the same to his opponent if he would be taunted and destroyed like Visma destroyed him last year, including you. Now they know how it's like. So stop playing stupid.
These are grown up men matters. Your understanding of grown up matters is childish, if you do not understand this.
George failing to grasp the concept that GC contenders want to win the Queen Stage boggles my mind
That’s why he was never a GC guy himself. TJ as well.
George: "Winning the stage has no meaning to him..."
Who the fuck are you George, to speak for Tadej, when this stage was planned months in advance. He should win every time he can. And this is what makes cycling so exciting.
Tad gets to decide how hard he wants to race, not George
Is George actually upset Pogacar chased to win the Queen stage of the TDF? Pathetic. If you can win you win. That’s why Pogi is the greatest of all time. Maybe Jorgy should get in better shape 😂
Greatest of all time? Lance has 7 in a more competitive era
A great American once said “if you ain’t first, you’re last”
Words to live by. No idea why these old guys are hating on Tadej
@@aerobibs Tadej is miles better than Lance. Miles!
@@Slowmotion21613 A more chemically competitive era.
@@Slowmotion21613 really?? Winning whilst doped up and threatening people around you who spill the beans?? That is NOTHING to be proud of.
Absolute rubbish .... first time I have disagreed with wedu .... So if Tadje has a mechenical
tomorrow and looses 3 odd minutes , will the rest wait ??? No way in hell.
This is a race the last time I looked
JV waited on Pog, when he crashed in 2022
@@fancyfreak9397 2 seconds
@@fancyfreak9397 Cause he's a wheel sucker, he waited to have POG ride in the front again, see the vid. That's Jonas' strategy.
1500m race on one day you don't think larger strategies or politics, of course. racing between teams over a season with multi-stage races, you think strategies and politics. I'm not saying it is "right" but you have to deal with the fact that you are dealing with humans, and politics and opinions and factions and so forth and so on.....cycling captures all aspects of human drama and interpersonal relationships. hey a marriage should just be about love, right?
I agree, absolute rubbish! We love Pogi❤
Sorry guys..this is hard to listen to. Pogacar has every right to win when he can and he has the respect of the peloton for it. I get the impression most riders on other teams are excited to be part of the Pogi legacy.
You just don't get it and you never will. Stunts like today will come back and bite him in the ass in a big way.
“Most riders are excited to be part of the pogi legacy” lol this is premium stupidity. They hate him because he won’t let them win stages which ultimately limits their lifetime earnings potential. Stfu
@@joeterzio7175 Rubbish. Modern cyclists race. There is little politics anymore.
@joeterzio7175 I would agree with you if Pogi was being a dick about it, but he seems to be very respectful to the other riders in the peloton. He’s just a beast on the bike and deserves all the successes he achieves.
@@joeterzio7175 "Stunts like today" give me a freaking break, he got a race win fair and square against a team member of his biggest rival. Cry me a river.
I’m 100% glad TADEJ flexed on these fools💪💪💪
Win EVERY stage you possibly can!
It’s a sport and the goal is to win!!
yep it's a new era, get out of the way boomers
It's a team sport. Pogacar also rides for the benefit of his team mates! His stage wins are the reward for his teams' continuous efforts, year in year out. Riders in general don't have a problem with Pogacar. You do, with a toxic narrative that reflects your own past fears and frustrations.
It never fails to amuse me, how big countries with big egos look on small shots. As if cycling deserves an American winer, or a dude from Slavonia is a suspicious case
I generally enjoy the podcast. But don't boss the narrative of one perspective or nothing.
Lance, you gave us the reason to question you. Don't give us a reason to pitty you.
Jonas' reaction was proof it was worth it for Pogacar to attack. As long as there is any possibility for Jonas to close the gap and contest the yellow jersey it is totally worth it to attack. This conversation is ridiculous. I'd love to see Matteo win as much as anyone but everyone knows there are no gifts.
As long as he can attack it's worth attacking. That's Pogi
Good point. Jonas had his whole team positioned to make a move. He wasn't sitting back, was he? It didn't work out, but to pretend Tadej should lay back is not fair.
@@philiptornelli3477 The moment when Matteo attacked it was clear that Jonas wouldn't be attacking. That was long before Tadej made is move. And looking how the two teams are stacked comparably it just shows that UAE are greedy. I mean, everyone get's that he is on great "form" or other substances, but there is basicly zero benefit besides pissing everyone off, not just other riders and teams but also the sceptics. I have never been a huge Lance Amstrong fan, but I guess he knows a bit what he is talking about. In cycling it's a bit different that in other sports where you just can't rely on your own team alone - you are riding in a peloton with more than 100 riders. And what Tadej said in the post race interview kind of reflects that. Before this tour began it was very obvous that this would be a total UAE show, so why he keeps on riding his high horse is beyond me.
The point they are making is that he could have put time into Jonas and not have to go for the win at the same time, but he had his team doing hard work all day to keep close to the break away
Yeh Jonas is totally clean as well. His TT last year was all natural 😂
Today was one of the most incredible displays of athletic prowess I've ever seen...and you say he made "the mistake of his life"?? Ridiculous.
Someone said that line to Lance 30 years ago and hes been waiting ever since to regurgitate it and try and sound cool 😎
Because obviously the guy is juiced up to the MAXIMUM!!!
This stage was annoying and frustrating to watch. Didn’t think it was “one of the most incredible displays of athletic prowess”. It’s not even that outside of him wanting to win the stage
@@samanglaisand no one else is? Lol
Uh, that was when he smashed Pantani's record. He sits on the wheel of Visma, for weeks. Don't be surprised if they ride a little less straight and clip his wheel. There are politics in the peloton.
Until he hears Jonas say “I’m gone, I’m dead,” Pogi PacMan will run up the score. We all know this.
That said, from a personality perspective, Tadje is great for the sport of cycling. His fun, outgoing, happy-go-lucky image is a stark contrast to Jonas’ reserved, calculating one. And inside the peloton, everyone knows he’s a killer, but he isn’t an asshole. Maybe that’s the difference here?
Agreed, he is incredible
Tadej is so much more of a likable character than Lance has ever been . I feel like he has a bunch of respect and friendships in the Peloton and I bet most riders know that they are in the presence of a 'special' rider. I think the stage does have 'relevance' to UAE and Tadej if they are trying to cement a legacy as one of the greats to ride a bike. To Dominate the Giro and do the same in the Tour is something we have never seen and I think its a beautiful thing to watch.
As an American I was definitely rooting for Matteo... But once Pog caught his wheel... game over. GREAT WIN for Pogi..... it's racing....
What happened to "no gifts" Lance?
He has to have some shares in the Visma - Lab team, so much bias towards them is crazy
@@MattSwain1 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He's a politician now just look at all the ads smh sold his soul
@@MattSwain1 You think LA is grown up? Don't know whether to laugh or cry. 25 yrs later and you still buy it.
@@markmartin4793 well would you work for free ?
American and American fan here. Much as I wanted to see Matteo win, Pogi is Pogi. Go for the win and he did! It's racing! You do what you do,Pogi! Matteo will have more chances. Don't worry.
The best rider won the stage. Perhaps Tadej has nothing to hide so he does not need to worry about the politics.
Exactly. Lance makes absolutely no sense
"Perhaps " 😂
@@harveykramer3798Proof much?
You are on dope if you believe Tadej isn't doped to the gills to crush Lance and Pantani's records at 7w/kg.
Excelent point!
Lance and george are so ungracious to Pogacar and racing fans. We saw an exceptional performance today and his fellow riders will salute him. Shame on the negativity
I think you're making a big assumption about his fellow riders.
@@joeterzio7175like you would know either.
@@joeterzio7175 Like you know 🙄
Lance just because you dopped and were hated on the peloton doesnt mean anything about Pogacar making history everyone just have to be happy about new history of cycling been created
Lance even chased down a guy for going into a break. Such a dick. Capo? No. Just a dick.
Jorgenson wasn't good enough and Pog was. How do we know Pog doesn't break Cav's stage record in ten years time? He has every right to win all he can.
Very good point, he could be aiming to break the stage record. He has every right to!
Apparently many people seem to be butt hurt over Pog. The Feelings Police have been called.
Funny you weren’t saying this last year about Jonas when Tadej lost by seven minutes. He piled on time and nobody said a peep.
Well said, Spooky! Nobody said a word about Jonas piling on Pogi, and yet these so called pundits are calling him out. They are just jealous. What we are seeing, us possibly the greatest rider of all time. Also, all Pogi heard for a whole year was " when will crack in the Alps! ". This is disturbing and disgusting!
Touche!
Oh yeah he "piled on" time during the stage where the Tour was decided? Then followed wheels in the Vosges.
@@HMDHEGD Should have won beaten Pogacar by 10 seconds instead of 7.5 minutes. To show respect to the other riders. That's how champions behave in 2024.
Didn't Jonas only put time on Tadej last year in 3 stages? The first was Stage 5 where Jonas was behind a few people including Tadej and trying to take yellow. The second was the ITT in Stage 16 (when Jonas was only up by 10 seconds), and then the third was Stage 17 when Tadej totally blew up on an easy part and was done (i.e., Jonas wasn't even attacking).
And by the way, Tadej could have put some time into Jonas / Remco here -- I think what Lance is saying is not to go for ANOTHER stage win and let some other teams grab one. It was the same with Stage 11 -- that was a pretty clear breakaway stage for other teams, but Tadej unnecessarily made it a GC battle.
Broke my heart to see Jorgenson get caught. I'm American and also a fan of VLAB team. HOWEVER, this is bike racing, and it's the Tour de France. How can you fault Pog for putting more time into Jonas and Remco knowing there is still another hard climb stage and a time trial remaining? The profile this year requires riders to race all the way to the finish.
Did he need that extra 10 seconds? Really? When he just put minutes into them? Nobody is faulting that, but not only passing Matteo, but putting in an effort right when he did to make sure he couldn't hold his wheel was not needed. Not even a pat on the back, sorry I gotta win this. These guys ride together for weeks. They can easily make things much much less pleasant for Pogacar in the peloton. Thats Lances entire point. There are politics in the peloton, you want an easy safe ride in the wind, you don't pull crap like that. You give some respect to the guys that just put in a massive effort. If he caught him with 5k to go, sure, go for it. But They were basically at the line, it was un-needed.
You are going to love the ceremony at the end, where they all line up and get their participation ribbons.
@@shawningtonAww, he hurt Mateo’s feelings… What a load of crap.
@@shawnington Maybe call the feelings police. Last year Visma's only mission was to destroy Pog. And they did by 7 mins. This years its the reverse and everyone getting all butt hurt. You think LA really had respect from other riders? It wasn't respect at all....
@@shawningtonis this bike racing or stage gifting? Good grief.
If you want matteo to win, remind him to go faster.
Pogi closed down almost 3 minutes on the last 8km, chewed out Yates and Carapaz (they both Grand Tour winners) on the ascend, too. He went for a sprint finish couple days ago which is even more absurd. Pogi will go for every single stage as long as he can and I bet Cavendish's stage win record is on his sight too.
Pog rides to win...end of.
No politics, no etiquette, just 100% conviction. Many including me love him for it.
I love this podcast and it’s been really exceptional in years past. However, this year has been a little ridiculous. The entire presupposition by not wanting people to question you is that Pogacar isn’t clean.
First, Pogacar isn’t really that dominant and Vingegaard is going to get him.
Second, oh well see how close Jonas is to Pogacar? 100% Jonas beats 100% Pogi
Third, this dominance isn’t good for Pogacar because it raises questions and will make people hate him.
The first 2 takes were ridiculous, but the third one is a completely different level. Pogacar treats people right, he’s friendly, he’s nice to everyone. He’s only a killer on the bike, not off.
A few years ago Lance talked about how this sport needed a big star, like a Jordan, or a Tiger, or a LeBron. Now it’s all about laying low??? I don’t get it.
I agree with you... their comments are so ridiculous.. Lance was unpopular because of the way he treated people. Pogi is a totally different person than Lance...
Great post very well put this Pod is gone very poor
@@jonathanfong3033 Pogacar is riding the Tour of a lifetime and those guys have nothing positive to say about it. Pathetic
Great take. I'm American and absolutely love watching Tadej. It's a great point about how Tadej may be a killer on the bike, but he always shows his competitors respect. The first thing that Tadej did when Jonas beat him on stage 11 was to shake his hand and congratulate him. No way Lance would've ever done that.
I concur totally
Tadej was puting seconds on Jonas. Mateo is not relevant here. He will get his win when he croses the finish line first. He is a grown man.
100 percent. I am SHOCKED that this isn’t more apparent. Pogacar actually didn’t give a damn about the stage, he was pumping his near rivals for every second he could, and he was right to do it. It’s not over until it’s over, and it’s not over for Tadej. Fucking obviously!!
as if it's Tadej's fault. For me it's payback time, last year he had to contend with Roglic and Jonas.
@@GilbertCYaoNo. Last year Primoz was not in the team, you are thinking 2022
@@tonyg3091 thanks for the correction.
George-When Pog loses, he’s washed up. When he wins, he’s greedy. When he attacks, everyone just loves to hate him. My take is that if Jorgensen were on any other team besides Visma LAB, he would have snagged the stage win. Remember last year when Visma’s SD was shouting on the radio: “Jonas, show them who’s the best rider in the world! Show them who’s the king!” I’m paraphrasing, but you get the idea. That was said when Jonas was extending his lead to over 7 minutes. Don’t kid yourself-Pog’s victories are crucial. He’s chasing Merckx’s records, so let’s not pretend that wins don’t matter.
Well said
Thank you, seems few professional commentators know very little on the sport.
Pogacar is doing what other racers either couldn't or wouldn't do... carve his name into the immortality of history. He is a CHAMPION and proves it every race, as compared to one race a year. It is very simple, Pog is the GOAT and he doing things not possible since the last GOAT, Merckx. There should be NO gifts, gifts are for Christmas not the Tour de France. What you see in this video are a bunch of jokers that can't stand watching the GOAT do what GOATs do... (as Al Davis said) "Just win baby". This video is a great example of jealous fools.
As an American and someone who’s watched Lance since 1999, I disagree. Pogacar conducts himself very differently than Lance did. Tadej is in peak career form but he’s supposed to sit up to be nice? It’s one thing when he does a pointless attack to gain 10 seconds when he has a big cushion. But winning the Queen stage is still an an achievement. And the crashes this year are a reminder that nothing is guaranteed
Oh, boo-hoo, Tadej didn't sit up and let the American win the stage. Like Neilson Powless said, it's a pro sport and there are no gifts. Yes, it may upset other riders and subject you to more scrutiny, but he's paid to win. Ask Sir Bradley to tell you about Eddy Merckx and Mourenx in 1969. People didn't like that guy either, but he's the GOAT and Tadej is doing Eddy Merckx things.
@crapweasel17 Merckx was also a cheat
Agreed. Lance is just jealous
I think lance is giving him honest advice that nobody else can
Pogacar is clearly doping. Not seeing that is being in denial
@@Slowmotion21613 that advice doesn’t make any sense and is really dumb advice at best.
Pogacar is the best cyclist of all time by a huge margin its not even close anymore. What a rider!!
Pogacar is racing against the history books not only the other riders in this race. Plus the other riders know this. He is also liked by the peloton and they respect him. He is not fake, races the same every time he shows up. Stop the hate and appreciate the greatness.
We need to remember that Jumbo visma last year went all out 3 on 1 against pogacar. Using roglic (one of the best riders in the world) as bait for Jonas.
Pogacar has not forgotten that.
Also,
Jumbo won all 3 grand tours and 3 jumbo riders on the podium at the vuelta.
I definitely dont have as much experience as you guys. But as a spectator, I don’t see how today is worse.
And Jonas won by over 7 minutes
Pogacar's performance today was magnificent, and this is coming from an American. Sit back and enjoy the race.
How will he catch Cavendish if he doesn't win races? 🙄
Cav should have done less winning apparently...according to Lance.
He is coming for the record!
Oh noo.. that will be the mortal sin accoring to Lance...😒
If Mateo won he’d “revitalize the whole sport in America”?? Cmon…
I know. Ridiculous. You revitalize American interest in the sport when we have a true green jersey contender, GC contender, or classics/monuments contender. Otherwise, we're just talking about an American winning a stage every few years.
If Mateo won he would help repair all the damage that Lance did to the sport's reputation in America.
Yeah because Americans only know American riders. I bet more Americans know who Pogacar is than Mateo Jorgenson.
Nah, Mateo would need to win a Grand Tour or two to revitalize the US cycling scene.
Sepp won the Vuelta last year and American CYCLISTS I ride with still never heard of him
Unlike Lance, everyone loves Pogi and I’m not Slovenian
I love Jonas and Remco, too. All 3 are class guys and I would be happy no matter which order they end up on the podium.
@@crapweasel17 Yep.
My grandfather came from Slovenia and I hate Pogi. I want to like the kid but he pulls shit like this all the time and I'm almost 100% sure he's the biggest doper in the sport. He's easy to root against.
Where/when did LA ever NOT express his admiration for TP?
Seriously, did you even watch the show?
He stated his admiration and respect for TP numerous times.
@@joeterzio7175do you live in south america, just curious if your grandfather was collaboratin with the nazis ❤
Its queen stage and you work hard whole year for this. No matter if you have 10 min or 10sec gap. You go for the win here. Grow up guys!
Cyclist here - man has a job he’s paid to do and he did it. No gifts for American riders, let us earn it for real or not at all! No need for politics in sport… or honestly anywhere at this point 😅
Question for George... so if a stage win is not important for Tadej or UAE... why th heck did you support Cav going after his 35th stage win... it's not important... right?
He forgot about Visma last year. No mercy, if you are in a position to dominate, why not..
With all the respect, I totally disagree with you. The integrity of the game/race is more important the so called politics of the game/race. If Tadej ends up less popular among his rivals it will take nothing away from his greatness. Lance - I always felt that your popularity problem (not referring to any rule violation) never took away from your greatness as a rider. You were great!Jordan or Tiger have never been popular among their peers. So you will say that cycling is different.. it’s a team sports, I know. Tadej indeed owes a lot to his teammates, fair enough; but he owes absolutely nothing to his rivals. Furthermore, if he owes them anything, it is to try to beat them every single time and not to play politics.
How are you when you win by doping?
“I don’t think Tadej is listening to the move” funniest line of today’s show
Guys remember Jonas keeps on saying to the press that there is still a chance, that he put time (7) minutes in 1 stage last year. That is the reason why Tadej keeps on attacking just to let the opponent (Jonas) have that mental damage. Remember last year Tadej had courage saying he is dead, this year Jonas keeps on saying he is still on the race and that anything can happen.
A couple days ago a couple of you claimed 100% Jonas beats 100% Tadej. Now you’re not saying that.
Exactly... they're Jonas fanboys... and now they turned nasty..
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It was only a 3 minute lead. Of course Pog attacks to give some more cushion. They are acting like he had a 20 minute lead or something. Ridiculous. What if Pog goes down on a descent tomorrow and it takes a bit to get up. This goes beyond him being justified to try to win the stage. He is giving himself some extra insurance in case something wacky happens. Lance is a moron.
He lost five minutes on a single stage last year. Just a bunch of boomer ass commentary from these guys.
Gen X dude @@old_joe_
Agreed and there's no processional stage to Paris in Stage 21 this year. Have to race to the end. And Tadej said he may take it easy tomorrow so now he feels like he has enough cushion.
@@old_joe_ Says the guy with the user name old_joe.
@@old_joe_ Yep, you know better than a seven time Tour winner.
You guys lost me today. Ridiculous if this is the thinking in cycling. No other sport would choose to pass up winning.
Give credit where credit is due.
Pogi has won his stages fair and square. This is a competition ... not a charity giveaway.
If you can’t take the heat, get out with the losers.
Best rider won the queens stage of the TDF, as he should have. How pathetic would it have been to watch Pog give a stage to another team’s rider because he’s… an American? Please!
Gongrat to pogy From Denmark 🇩🇰❤❤.next year is Vingegaard back.lance is 100 procent correct and Georg and JB❤🇩🇰.for us Crazy cycling fans i love this channel.thanks to all of you.i think Jonas is back Next year but a youn rider from Denmark Philipsen is comming.he won all on a Bike really
Girmay wins 3 stages, that's okay. Cav won 35 stages that's okay. On Stage 11, Jonas was still the favorite to win this tour and he didn't let Tadej win the stage. Visma's tactics were poor. Matteo was basically trying to win this stage on a breakaway, while Tadej rode behind 4 strong riders all day until the very end.
Jonas has not once been the favorite this tour. When stage 11 started he was 1 min behind Pogi. When Jonas beat Pogi in the sprint, people speculated that Jonas might take Pogi in the 3rd week IF everything when as it did the last 2 TdFs.
@@GlacierdkJonas was the betting favorite after the stage he won
@@Glacierdk Incorrect. After stage 11 most called Jonas the favorite. Lance said Pogi had to ride perfect to win. Wiggins and Hincapie called Jonas the favorite.
I don't even understand this comment. We aren't talking about stage winners. These are GC guys and Jonas was NEVER, not for a split second, the favorite to win. Not today, not this week, not once. The fact that he's in second is a damn miracle and testament to how amazing he is. Next year the clock resets again and it will be a coin flip for either of these guys.
@@EverythingIsPhotogenic You don't understand what? Most people calling Jonas the favorite after stage 11? Watch this podcast after stage 11.
These dudes are off their rockers. Pog is the strongest rider in the world right now, he’s taking advantage of his fitness that he worked his whole life for. Nothing wrong with that.
They are 1,000 times more tuned into the cycling world than you will ever be. Why do you think Lance is even discussing the subject? It's because they know what's being discussed in the cycling world about Pogacar. But sure, it's all natural with Pogi. lol
Look at Miguel indurain 5 time tour winner, 2 time giro and tour double winner. Gave away a lot of stages, and kept the respect of the peleton. Are you going to say indurain did not know how the peleton worked?
@@kevincockburn7805what does Indurain have to do with Pogacar? Indurain was not an attacker, he was a clockwork or diesel engine that you couldn’t get rid of but was the most boring cycling ever. Pogacar is entertaining, risks a lot and has a variety of race wins. Which spring classic did Indurain win? And since when is winning so negative? Cav is being celebrated for it, but Tadej is now hated by the peloton? Come on guys.
@@riquelmeone you obviously miss lances point. And you miss what indurain used to do. Did you ever watch his tours? He gifted wins. He was the patron of the tour. He was immensely popular in the peleton. You seem to fundamentally miss lances point.
@@riquelmeone and you point about Cavendish is nonsense. Sprinters don't win the big prize. Cavendish never wins the tour, or any 3 week stage race. A sprinter is never the "patron".
Has Pogacar tested positive for a banned substance to this point? Because by 2000 Lance already had a positive corticosteroid test and was known to be working with Ferrari. I'm not suggesting that Pogi is clean, but his current situation is not a direct analog to Lance's situation in 2000 that he brings up. There were many more reasons that Lance needed to 'politic' in 2000 than Pogi does in 2024.
This a hundred times. He had reason to avoid questions because all the answers revealed him to be a cheat. Pog has no reason to avoid questions.
Agree 100%. I thought lance’s best comment was not to give the people reason to question pogi. But then I realized it was Lance’s PTSD from the years of hiding.
@@michaelgonzalez2436 LA is just talking about himself and thinking of himself. That seems to be all he can do. If you’re not cheating, and you are the best, and want to show everyone you’re the best, then you go out there and crush it. That’s what Pog is doing and that was always LA’s own approach too so he ought to get that side of it. But unfortunately he did it while cheating so of course he had to hide and do all he could to duck scrutiny. That is what he knows about. It’s extraordinary that he thinks Pog should
do the same. Either he thinks Pog is cheating too or he’s just completely unable to comprehend a clean athlete who doesn’t need to behave like he did!
Not everyone is a cheat like Lance. Some are legitimate winners with a fun personality and integrity.
What a BS. Why should Pogacar give the stage win to Jorgensen? Pogi did not make a mistake, he just showed once more that he is the best.
No one questions Pogi, who is a loveable person. Armstrong was hated because of his arrogance, not because he won (fraudulous with hindside) a lot of big races.
Fully agree! Lance threatened the people who spilled the beans on his doping. Pogi is a great person - loved and RESPECTED by MANY in the peleton and all over the world... the comments by Lance and George sounds like jealousy makes you nasty
Patrick you dont no sh...T about cycling.
@LadyBird-n2tOMG they are behaving like little kids or better said, spoiled brats..😂😂😂
You're kidding right? Lance was hated by the French because he won as well as the fact he was an a-hole.
Can’t believe lance is saying Pog should have held back!!! He had good legs today so What if he has a bad day tomorrow and loses 3 minutes. You are racing the elite in cycling so if you have got the legs then drive the final nail in the coffin. Good for you Poggy
You don’t care about being asked or checked if you have nothing to hide. Everyone knows how Lance and many others rode 20-30 years ago. So Pogi has nothing to be ashamed of. The way he rides, attract many people, that’s why riders like Contador, Alaphilippe, van der Poel, Evenopoel are loved by public for their aggression way of riding. Thanks, but I don’t want boring TDF again as in sky era. Pogacar is the greatest, or at least in top 3 of greatest of all time universal riders and he don’t want be just another winning rider, he wants to dominate and everything. He’s definitely has big balls to do it, and critics are talking, while he’s on his another win.
Contatroll
So a sport which is renowned for its history of cheating is suddenly squeaky clean and these unreal power outputs from today's best riders are completely legitimate and not the result of cheating? Whatever you're smoking must be very good.
@@joeterzio7175you don’t need to smoke anything to know cyclists are the most tested athletes out there. you would also know that training, technology and nutrition improves. Teams and athletes are way more professional than 10-15 years ago. Any sport is moving forward. Look at Tennis, look at Football, look at Swimming. Records are being broken left right and center. But in cycling that is strange? Maybe you should put the pipe down
@@riquelmeone You know there's cheating in all those other sports you mentioned, too, right? lol Don't be such a dupe.
As an American i do not care at all about the nationality of the riders. I love watching Pogacar stack and dominate and can’t get enough of it
Yes!! I wish he could win all 21 stages. 😂
Wtf Lance, you don't understand this sport at all, Americans will never understand bike racing, just like Europeans we will never understand American football. The heart of bike racing is a passion and you talk about politics.
Go Pog, you made amazing performance today 💪. Take a rest tomorrow, nobody is hunting you anymore, get ready for an epic TT battle. Remco is dreaming this TT for a long time so he will be on fire and Jonas needs to defend his 2. place. You can take 5.
EDIT: By the way, your speech sounds like a threat
Just curious how many multi stage races have you done? This is a team sport people sacrifice themselves every day so your principal can win. It doesn’t happen without a good team. Pogo should have rested his team. Why make them work for no reason? What about next year when Poggi needs a teammate but the teammate remembers when Poggi made him work for no reason? He may not go so hard or trade bikes or just help .
@jimsteinway695 A team slort you say, then youd know winners of a stage split their money with the team, knowing theyll he getting bonusses, better next contract and team helped them win..you shoukd know this..Pogacar team hally he won again, theyll be buying a new car or getting a house or cacatiob from his winning $$$ amd split GC $$$
I believe lance knows much more than you
@@SimonAppletonI believe Bruynell knows much more than Lance. He clearly supported Pog taking the stage.
@@SimonAppletonHe know more about doping than anyone. He should have not talk cycling after cheating.
Imlying pogi made a mistake is essentially saying he's doping and winning the stage is going to draw more eyes on it.
Uhhhh yeah no crap. They all know deep down. The watts don't lie.
@@dougcooper9621 haha welp... Let's add another win just to make sure ppl don't notice.
I hope pog takes next stage too 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💥🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Do you ever hear fans and analysts complain about a sprinter winning 3 or more stages?
Sprinters race a different race.
Exactly!! They were all going bananas about Cav's record ... so I guess that makes Cav a bad person tooo... because according to Lance... he did not need that... right?
@@maddb3457 Yeah it's more suspicious for a sprinter to win so many sprints vs. a climber who has a much wider margin for error since their effort is spread out over a greater distance against fewer competitors.
@@LadyBird-n2t If Cav won by 100 meters then questions would be asked,..Same as destroying long standing mountain stage records,.
@@maddb3457what different race? Only wins and at the end green jersey matters.
These dudes who permanently smeared and shamed American, and worldwide, cycling have the balls to say today is a dark day for American cycling? K.
Stop whining about Pogacar, you all say that Jonas still has a chance, so Pogacar makes sure there is no chance and you whine about it.
So these guys lied to us for years, when we all wanted to believe them and their success. Now, we even tune in to their podcasts because somehow we still believe they were the best in their era because everyone was doping. We think they may have some great insights. And then, this rubbish today about TP aggressively doing what every professional bike rider, excuse me, every champion (George was never a champion- now we see why), would and should do- win the race! Professionals shouldn't whine about no gifts- just get better. No professional worth a crap should ever want a gifted win. And how about the team who rode their legs off for TP- and the sponsor who pays the big bucks- they deserve TP to finish the job as often as possible.
They were not the best, as its not true everyone was doping.
Yup. That’s why George was never a GC guy.
In the old days, the yellow jersey was gifting some wins away to make alliances. Not only is that not any more how things work now, but Jorgensen is the rival team. In the last two years, Visma systematically destroyed Tadej. Jonas and Tadej have great respect for each other. But when the race is on Tadej strikes back. Guys, you are sore loosers.
He’s got his eyes on Cav’s record, that’s why he’s going for every stage.
"Make hay when the sun is shining," as they say.
Mmmmhhhh... maybe that is the bee under Lance and especially George's bonnet... someone might steal their BFF's prize... geezzz are the guys in kindergarden??
Not at all he wants to win the GC, stages are icing and he’s not going for cavs record
@@danielreyes6225 he wants to be the goat of cycling
Eddie Merks said: Why do I need to lose and let someone else win? People coming to see me win not loose. And he became the greatest. Poga did awesome doubt he will catch Mateo but wow!! That was awesome! And who do not want the win? I will not feel right taking a win if Poga let me win. If Poga allow others to win, why I'm racing if I can't fight him. I would prefer a second place than a first given to me.
We love Pogacar even more ❤! What is wrong with these people, stop spreading negative energy and planting negative thoughts? Can we enjoy this moment please. Last year JV was cracking Pogacar, there was no moaning. They wanted to see Pogi crack but he learned from his mistakes and made him stronger.
Didn’t Jonas win by over 7 min last year? I really enjoy the Move but I don’t remember the same warnings and upset at then jumbo now vista for their domination in 23’. Great tour in general!
Great point
Most of that was on stage 17 alone when poggi bonked
Only because Pogacar figuratively "died" for god's sake
@@Thun777 Jonas should have backed off. You know out of respect to Pogi. Only let him 10 seconds behind. That's how bike racing works now.
@@CoopMauKona exactly... just shows you - these guys are Jonas fans.. and that explains all their childish fits.
“Don’t give them a reason to question you.” -Lance
But IF Pog has nothing to hide then why would it matter?
Spot on.
I'd have more questions for Pogi if he sat up and let Mateo win without trying.
Spot on. I don't think there's a single athlete that's more heavily tested in the world than Tadej.
@@ynie1there wasnt a more tested athlete in history than lance Armstrong
Lance was eluding to Pog will undergo more scrutiny by media and scrupulous characters.
Personally I freaking loveeed it. It's queen stage. C'mon !!!!!!
Lance, relax with these kids comments. Pogacar is loved for what he is and do. Completely different rider then you guys been in the past. Stop give him advices, he don’t need any.
What I don't understand is why Matteo didn't let Yates have a chance. Jorgenson won Paris Nice, why is he being so greedy by going for this stage?
Yo Lance, remember that one time in 2000 when you gifted Pantani the stage win on Ventoux? Yeah, that didn't turn out so well. (For those wondering why: Pantani was pissed at being gifted a win)
That was mentioned in the video.
LA said he gave it to Pantani, Panyani said he beat LA not “a gift”
If Matteo were a Slovenian and Pogacar an American, what would be the conclusion? surely different. This is professional cycling, 21 days of the biggest race of the year.
Well there are no gifts unless American is ahead. 😂
IF YOU ARE DOPING DONT MAKE IT OBVIOUS is what Lance is saying everyone . Nobody is that much better then everyone else without doping .
if that is what he is saying, then he should say it. I think Taddy can make his own statements and until he is busted for cheating (if he is), then we just get to watch his dominance in silent awe
@peteroshea9198 Right hes basically slandering the guy w no evidence
You’re a great athlete. You are in shape. You go win. It’s your nature
If he slows to let Matteo win, Matteo sd be ashamed to win that way
Matteo wants to win b c he’s good not b c someone else is charitable.
No rewards where no rewards are due
I get it George is upset for the American, but for goodness sake, this is a generational talent. He trained up there for a month before the tour, of course he wanted to win it. Jonas couldn’t ride a bike until 6 week# before the tour. He doesn’t have the endurance, just like Pogi didn’t last year.
I can’t wait until next year if they both come through it without injury!
Tired of life being about "Participation Trophies" .... the best should win and Tadej is the best. No gifts in professional sports.
Exactly.
Not what he was saying at all.
Not exactly the vibe we got from the US, when Sepp Kuss was gifted the Vuelta last year.
Best cheater, yes.
@@raahauge But he got it gifted by his own team mates, after Kuss saved Roglič ass on a few occasions (Bondone, Angliru, Loze)
You're overlooking the obvious. He's not wanting just tour de france overalls. He's after Cav's all time stage wins. When you look at it that way, it makes sense. Pog wants to win more stages than anyone in history. He's like Jordan or Brady. It's that killer instinct. Some have it, some don't. It's that willingness to gamble because he flat out lives for the combat of racing that made me a fan. He has maybe 11 years to win 26 more stages. He's gonna take it whenever he thinks he can.
Let greatness be great and let us all enjoy a generational talent.
That australian kiss joke was nothing compared to the three biggest jokes on the screen. Pathetic dinosaurs.
I wonder why didnt michael phelps giveaway atleast 50% of the gold medals he won? Would be good if a 2nd place swimmer would end up winning for a change… cause he didnt really need to win all of them right?