Do you know of another chest rig that can take 8 Pmags I just gotmy today and try to put my two steel mag together, however they didn’t going in all way
@@kennyzayas9355 Yeah, I can't fit 8 mags in this rig either. Randal said "8 steel Mags". I am using poly mags, they are thicker. That is the problem. They are the same size at the Mag well section, thicker at the grip.
Iraq '03 I ran eight on my LBV, 6 in a drop leg rig, and 8 more in my pack. I ran out once. Can never have too much as long as you can still move effectively.
Finally someone who makes sense. Same rig I run. Seen too many men weighted down with nonsense. 8 mags minimum, good knife, water, light and don't give a fook attitude.
@@redrusso9836exactly so many people even vets saying they only carried 3 and 1 in the gun . Man you were a member of the most powerful military had machine gunners for suppressive fire and air support . If the SHTF were on our own no one is bringing ammo or coming too save us you better have enough too at least break contact and escape .
At USMC TBS in 1982 we had to read the book, "A soldiers load and the Mobility of a Nation" by S.L.A Marshall. Loading down a warrior, significantly reduces their combat effectiveness. While effectively taking data from amphibious assaults and jungle warfare, the loss of 40-50% of troops due to weight carried, can limit overall success. They also told us at TBS, don't expect a miracle "resupply" of ammo, water or chow like you get during training. Good Info. Thanks and Semper Fi.
This^ book is still probably required reading but then the Matrix wipes up their mouths with it after servicing the CCP for coin. Well said Semper Fidelis Bible and ⚔️.
It’s heartening to see the shift in the mindset of the minuteman from CQB to more patrol/reconnaissance. I was guilty of running a micro rig and a 10.5” AR for a while until I started to really to think about it. Not that those aren’t viable options depending on the situation.
It's a shift back, you can see the old nut n fancy videos that patrol/reconnaissance was the main thing back then but CQB took hold of everyone in the late 2010s
I agree. Should move in groups with people who carry 16 mags and others that carry 7. Reece you aren’t looking for a fight so 4-6 would be acceptable to me.
@@Followme556 yeah but a 55 grain .22 caliber bullet isn't shit once it's gets below 1200 FPS your just shoot 22lr at that point . You gotta about 100 yrds of decent fighting power out of a MK18 and that's what the intended purpose is
@@jonsingleton203 "We regularly engaged targets out to 500 meters with our Mk18s in Afghanistan," Retired 3rd US Special forces Senior ODA NCO, Jeff Gurwich, who runs the youtube channel Modern Tactical Shooting. You can literally go right onto his page and ask him yourself. You really no idea what you are talking about. That is all.
I was the ammo bearer on a M60 Gun Team in the 82nd. I carried the olde LBE H Harness and had 4 3 rnd mag pouches on the LBE with a field knife, a Lensatic compass, a 1911 and a Butt Pack. On my large ruck I had another 4 3 rnd mag pouches and the team's gear. Tripod, spare barrel kit and more MG ammo. Then came my sustainment kit. I jumped it and humped it. I still have that same LBE as it always worked and I could get in the prone with it. I have tried other kits and still go back to the LBE. Calculate how much 5.56 I was carrying. I also had a 1 qt canteen on each hip on the same rig.
I think it’s absurd to go willingly into an armed conflict with anything more than a Spiritus Micro Rig with 3 mags. Because if you’re gonna die, you need to make sure you look like a tier 1 flannel operator while your perforated carcass is laying in a ditch with crappy drawers. You need to have your kestrel, laser rangefinder and a GPS in the $79 utility pouch. Because if you’re taking incoming fire, you’re definitely going to want to take time to range the target and dial in your Nightforce optic to take one precise shot. Everyone knows that watching your impact and implementing a holdover to rapidly engage a threat is for noobs, and you’re only an operator if you have your dope chart in your multicam wristband. Don’t be a poser. All those pouches filled with extra mags are for larpers. Your belt should have nothing on it except your sexy plastic holster for a staccato with a red dot and flashlight plus 2 extra pistol mags you’ll never use in a fight. But don’t ever put any other gear on your hips. I don’t care if that’s where you’re anatomically best equipped to carry a load. It doesn’t look cool. Everything, including your lunch, wet weather gear, prescription meds, land nav, night vision, and a change of underwear should all be on your chest rig. If it interferes with your reload in a fight and you die from it, it’s only because you didn’t spend enough money going to training courses where some washed up security guard yells at you about your split times and not flicking your safety back on fast enough while you’re rehearsing how to navigate the numerous pouches on your loadout. Get good.
Don't forget that any AR over 14.5 inches is basically a flintlock musket and weighs 36 long tons and will be worthless when you're kicking in doors any clearing rooms because that's what all modern combat is gonna be and you'll basically be John Wick and you definitely absolutely won't get blown up by a tripwire when you kick the door or peppered by a 12 gauge from a dude camping the corner.
I carried 9 as 0311,changed to 0321 and ran 4. Situation dictates. But for minute man purposes, if you can, run as many as you can, agreed. This is why physical fitness is paramount. Don’t be a sack of potatoes trying to run 30 pounds of ammo plus gear.
The rubberized backplate would also keep it stationary if you threw it on the hood of a vehicle in order to load it or to retrieve admin stuff (map) before/after a patrol.
Great video. Smersh/Alice/PCLE rigs are also very overlooked in my opinion. Depending on how you set it up, you can run up to 12 mags, 2 canteens, and one admin/medical pouch. They are really good for bearing weight if you have to do a lot of walking and they keep your chest flat which helps while going prone. One downside is they will not be as comfortable if you are going to be doing a lot of vehicle work.
PLCE fighting order is the way to go. You could even wear a small chest rig in addition to the belt kit and maybe an assault pack. It works great in the forest compared to a puffed out LBE or whatever with the weight all on your front
Nice brother! I run the OPS Enhanced Combat Chest Rig (via 0241 Tactical retailer) and it's a similar layout if not slightly more with 2 side Canteen/ GP Pouches and 2 inner Radio/ Mag size pouches. 8 to 10 Mags minimum!!!! Also why we're seeing the resurgence of LBE's, proper sustainment gear is essential while still being able to move faster and easier beating the heat.
Some of my Marine friends were telling me they'd rather carry more ammo and ditch other gear, to have more ammo with them. Ammo does win fights alot of times so it makes sense. BUT if you're just going from point A to point B to get to your bug out position you should be traveling as light as possible. But then again if you do get into one and you don't have enough ammo your going to be screwed. So that brings me right back to carrying a bunch of ammo makes more sense to me just in case you get into a fire fight.
and honestly in a shtf situation how many people are really going to be bugging out so far that they wont be back for dinner, lol. im bugging in, im defending my home and neighborhood. will patrol the local area with my buddies to secure the town so i wont need 3 days of food and such, just some snacks, water, and plenty of ammo... and i actually will be wearing my armor because i dont really intend on going that far out so the weight of the armor wont be that big of a deal.
@@ballisticintegrity9741 the only things thats ever going to happen where i live is potentially a forest fire. nothing else ever happens here. and if there is a natural disaster we're grabbing the bags and leaving to somewhere safe, im not gonna be out patrolling in the sticks... im gonna be right with my family the whole time making sure everyones safe. and yes im taking my chest rig loaded with mags along with my family bag to sustain us for a while.
I'm more into belt setups with suspenders. And a chest rig for admin/general items. Combined with a large 80L rug and a small backpack for mission items.
Carry as much ammo as you can...But actually have solid medical (and not just stuff for gsw), food, water, and/or water filtration. Depending on the shtf situation starvation, dehydration, infection and illness may clap you before a gunfight. Be fit, carry as much as you can (inlcuding pew pew pills) but be smart with what you carry. Also, you may not be able refit. Be smart, it aint all about the firefight.
How does all that gear strapped to your chest affect your ability to get down in the dirt and out of the line of fire? It's got to add like 6 or 8 inches of height between you and the ground, right? Back in the 80's we carried the old H-harness, warbelt, and ammo pouches. I'd keep my warbelt unhooked so I could push the gear out of the way and let my torso sink flat on the ground. Oh yeah, and unless it was winter time conditions I lived out of my ass pack.
i bought an mfh south african assault vest for that reason, the pouches are off to the side and it has a built in hydration pouch. very breathable and comfortable and i can go prone without crushing anything since the pouches are off to the sides.
Yep, I had the Y-harness but now use an LBV88 enhanced with the alice belt. I carry 10 mags between the vest and my belt while still leaving my chest and belly slick. I can't stand chest rigs! Just patrolling with the rifle slung on top of all that sh!t blows. I still can't find a video with anyone low crawling with a chest rig. Seem like they are made for fighting from vehicles in urban environments clearing structures and not so much for more rural settings.
Over the years i’ve really moved to enjoying lbes and split chest rigs. I can carry 6-8 mags and move around pretty fast and not die in 100degree Heat. Also i can still wear those over slick carriers if i’m at say like a static security check point.
I disagree with your statement. As a 1 man team, or a very small team, I’m not wanting to get into trouble. If I do, I’m getting the heck out of dodge super quick like. 4 mags would be plenty as long as I’m not trying to assault a city or pull off a bank robbery.
Plenty of real world combat situations where a small team was compromised and had to fight thier way out with over 100 enemy troops attempting to close in. 4 mags won't do you much good. Better to have more ammo.
@praharin SOP's vary. But, generally they involve returning fire, (1 to 2 mags), move to cover in the general direction you are going, re-engage as necessary to allow others to be able to move to cover, repeat. How far you can run between cover before the bad guys start shooting again dictates how fast you can withdraw. As you might guess this can consume quite a lot of ammo.
I'm so glad you brought up the being too weighed down by too much gear. So many people ignore that I've even brought it up and was regarded as stupid. Their justification for carrying 300 lb. Of gear was holding up to Be self-efficient or several months at a time. I'm like that's stupid we have outposts and firebases for a reason. Hell I even wanted to ditch the M-9 and replace it for two extra mags.
I think its good point. Most people have never done any force on force training or seen combat to realize how bad a situation can get where you will need all the ammo you can. One grunt to another keep doing what your doing and let the keyboard warriors die when there fantasy hits reality
Chest rigs are awesome for carrying mission essentials, but what about sustainment? Could you touch on that as well? For instance, does this kit have provisions for canteens and or a camelback on the rear? Thanks for the video.
how long do you plan your patrols to be? as a civilian during shtf i will patrol my neighborhood and maybe even the town but im not going to be far out in the sticks. i imagine the biggest threat we'd face would be gangs/criminals/antifa taking advantage of the lawlessness, im not so worried about foreign armies but those are always a potential threat. for sustainment just get a small assault backpack and throw some cans of spam in there lol.
I run 12, on my rig. And 6+ in my pack. There is no one dropping any off for you. You have only what you carry. Fast and Essentials only. Spend is protection.
You should try the Helikon Tex Guardian Rig. It allegedly is supposed to hold eight rifle mags, a pistol and two pistol mags, and two canteens. I took out the “holster,” and the pistol mag carriers and two of the rifle mag holders on mine and just run the spaces for them as admin pouches for survival items and whatnot, and one of the canteen pouches I’ve repurposed as an IFAK pouch. Plus, I have a dangler, which at this point holds jerky. I haven’t grunt proofed it, but thus far, it seems like a solid rig, especially when paired with a bandolier in an assault pack and/or LBE.
Tracer tactical has good stuff as well as Haley Strategic I personally use there full size rig not the micro, onward research but they all are more expensive because all three companies are berry compliant and not made in China.
I’ve been watching some conflict videos and I am convinced. If you don’t have a thermal weapon scope, it’s like you should just stay home. One video on funker 530 ONE GUY clears a trench. I was as close to combat being unfair as you can get. The men in the trench are terrified as he just walks around and kills them in the dark. He sees one guy pull a grenade shoots him in the face step back and the grenade goes off well after he is out of harm’s way. He was shooting these armed men at maybe 5 yards and in, they were helpless.
never can have enough ammo. that being said, most people even in a doomsday type scenario aren't going into a war type battle where you need to lay down massive amounts of firepower. better to avoid firefights when possible. just have a couple mags you can grab quickly and the rest in your pack or something. just my thoughts on it.
He has another video explaining how even if you are trying to avoid a fight and end up having to break contact that you will quickly deplete 3 mags on a minimalist rig.
Nice setup very practical. Some people don't like the chest rig because they think it hinders you from laying flat on the ground but they can use the old school LBE or LBV and move mag pouches to the side, everyone is different. Subscribed my dude.😎
Ive run the Multicam vulture v1 from onetigris for a couple years now, the only big change I made to it was replacing the shoulder straps. I wasnt a fan of the hotspot the X harness made in the center of my back. I got an H harness from another company and never went back. its a really good piece of gear for the price
Helikon Tex Guardian rig. Carry up to 12 AR mags and have room for an admin, canteen, and IFAK. Only issue is finding one for an affordable price. Most are sold out or are costing almost $200. It's a tough sell with the One Tigris costing less than $75.
Great stuff...thank you. I think I'll defer to your Ramadi experience for capacity/capabilities needed. One suggestion for a future review. Take a look at the Yaesu FT-50R in comparison to the Baofeng UV-5R for comms. Also...consider making a forced march training video for those prepping for the 'pack test' in order to get into wildland fire fighting
@@GruntProof .. 3 mile walk/hike (no jog, no run) on level ground with a 45 lb pack in 45 minutes. The Wildland Arduous Medical Qual Test or 'Pack Test'.
@@FTroop37F great idea - I’m a volunteer FF in New England, most of our jobs are structure but every now and then we get a good brush job, a lot of work to get it contained and put out.
Just make sure you hydrate well -- toughing lack of water when you have to is what it is, but don't do it during training. It's unnecessary, unhealthy, and can hurt you.
Good rig when carrying a full Ruck and need the waistline clear.. I’m ranting something almost identical to this but only 3 mags wide up front to work in conjunction with my jungle belt setup when only carrying a 1-3day pack and not a full ruck.. which really is why I built a molle version of the only Alice LBE really cause I’d rather not have a big ass pack and be able to spread the load around all over evenly.. Oh how quick people forget how much you can carry with h-harness and belt using saw pouches and a field pack.. I got 100ema d saw pouches at 2:30 and 9:30 off the belt so anything wider then 3 up front going to give me issues.. I do like this a lot though
i have a flecktarn MFH or miltec "south african assault vest" which is a very breathable chest rig with lots of pockets and a hydration pouch on the back. can easily fit 12+ mags. not sure how durable it is, i only took it out on like 12 light patrols before i got crippled but it has been very nice so far. i like that the pouches are more off to the sides so you can go prone without squishing anything. seems like a great chest rig and when i can walk again im going to go rough it up some more.
You'll no doubt be using all that extra ammo on targets you can identify. But the ones you can't ID are more dangerous for that very reason. These days good thermals -- hand-held or mounted -- can deliver amazing Intel night or day for way less than the cost of a work truck. The AGM Sidewinder and Taipan in particular are worth a look.
I dumped money on an Onward Research Recce Rig. Reason being I like the idea of keeping myself light and mobile. Maybe not worth the price, maybe it is. I like the minimalist design. I live at altitude in a wide open and hilly area close to the Rockies so bulking on gear is likely not a thing I'd want to do if I need to be on the move.
I was infantry in 92'-96, never saw action. But ill never forget my dad telling me about his best bud in Korea, Troxler. Said he carried an M1 carbune with only two spare mags. He said he found his body in a bunker when they took it back from the Chinese. It was in a corner, and he didnt have a spare round of ammo on him, and this ill never forget "he had over a hundred rounds theough his body". So when i joined, my dad beat into my head enough ALWAYS CARRY AS MUCH AMMO AS YOU CAN
Marine 0351, ran 7 mags in Afghanistan. One in the rifle and 6 on the body, but i was often carrying rockets or demo also. Or i acted as a 0331. My chest rig is a placard that can go on my plates for certain situations. also have a 6 mag count placard already on the plate carrier that can be exchanged for the chest rig placard. The chest rig holds 4 but usually one has a radio in it, but i could buy two wings for it if needed to up that count. However I always have the ability to run 3 more mags on my belt. 1 as a quick reload in an hsgi puch and 2 more in a normal military surplus 2 bag pouch hooked on the belt. So basically what im saying is you can be flexible with your gear, and change what you need for the mission. Good video otherwise, i'll be watching for more.
I have the platatac peacekeeper and i love it so far. It holds 6 mag, built in dangler and 2 bug gp pouches on the sides. I even added a mag shingle in the map pocket to plus up 2 more mags
Plus, the Peacekeeper has the benefit of being NIR compliant, something which I doubt the OneTigris rig is. I also love my Peacekeeper rig. I added a support side mag pouch, and battery/small GP pouch to the other side.
Love my mayflower chest rig and I can put it on my PC if I need to run that. I grabbed the trex back strap and it pulls it all tight to your body perfectly so it doesnt bounce when running.
Yes sir.... the 1st thing I stocked up on after ammo was many many mags....I took advantage of the buy 500 rounds and 10 mags many times....then moved to optics!
i think a south african style assault vest is generally better. more pockets, very breathable, pouches are off to the sides so you can be more comfortable in prone, and it has a built in hydration pouch.
Good Video, but the purpose of a Recce rig is to recce, not to stand in a fight. You break contact and get out of there. But everything else you said is correct.
Look up Battle Drill "break contact" then tell me how 4 mags fits in. Pretty tough to conserve ammo over miles with an overwhelming force chasing you. Then, for the practical assignment, look up the ODA tbat was wiped out by Boku Haram because they were dependent on backup and resupply.
Great review and evaluation. ALL GEAR is mission dependent. I have a plate carrier rig that is set up for what would essentially be a heavy SWAT raid that would work to defend my home/property or to head out with some of my pipehitters to retrieve someone or something very important in an urban environment. Have a micro armor rig with 3 mags to bug out and get home and I have a very similar rig as this for patrolling/recce on my property out in the semi urban boonies. Much easier to get around in and carry than the full DEVGRU Bin Laden set up.
It seems the modernized combat doctrine is all about volume of fire. I was raised under the tutelage of a WW2 Fighting Engineer who landed D-Day and pushed all the way through the German lines. His doctrine was always ammunition preservation, one shoot then move before mortar fire would rain down on you. He always made the discipline of fire more important than volume of fire I would get hell for shooting a semiauto too fast.
I’m curious to see how it looks under NODS if it dies glow you can always spray paint it. But awesome vid. Glad someone is showing something affordable and not some crye BS
Recon is what I trained, recon is what I know, recce seems to be the latest fad in prepping. It's refreshing to see your views expressed. Good to see someone stepping outside the mould. Your content is always insightful, wise, and leaves an impression. Keep up the good work brother, you're what this community needs.
Metal mags, NOT pmags folks. Calories, water container+iodine. 1st line woods shit couple oz. Sleep system+weather clothes. Then its as much ammo and mission-speicifc gear as you can carry. Folks tryna take their house with em.
@@aceman1126 become brittle, degrade quickly until they crack when used in the cold, even temperate climate winters. The shrink-expand with sudden shocks is hell for plastic. Not a problem in peacetime, since you bring it outside from room temp to hit some paper. We spent 20 years in an arid context, so its not something often mentioned
I can see that. I prefer avoidance, caches, my Win Mag 300 and AGM night optics with an external power source if I had to actually bug out from my home. If I've left my home base, I'm not trying to seize or hold any ground. I'm trying to lay low enough long enough to see what makes sense in the longer term. I'd want to be exchanging two rounds well out of range of their 160 rounds. If I can't do that, they'll have to find me. I've hiked 2500+ unique miles of trails roughly 90 miles out in 360 degrees of my home base so I won't need the maps or GPS I have. However, 16 of my caches have maps, and 4 have a handheld GPS and batteries. That being said, it is a pain in the behind to verify the location (or relocate) and swap out expiring items on a five year rotation. I'm coming up on my fourth rotation. Gamma buckets get replaced every other swap. When I'm gone, there will be quite a few time capsules for people to find.
What do you think of a 5.56 carbine for your use? If you want to avoid contact, do so. Observe with your thermal optic or some binos and move carefully, as you said. If you're made, it'll probably be hard and fast at close range. You'll want to break contact or you may be forced to defend your position until the opposition is gone. In both scenarios, a carbine that carries 20 or 30 in the magazine and will run as fast as you need it to would be a great asset. Maybe even a short one with a suppressor to maintain light weight and not get too long. That'll keep your signature down and let friendlies communicate easier.
@@45calibermedic "What do you think of a 5.56 carbine for your use?" I think I would no longer have the range and accuracy advantage of the 300 Win Mag and I'll need 8 magazines as trade rounds. If you're suggesting both, then I've lost my speed advantage from going light. " Maybe even a short one with a suppressor " That will reduce your range and velocity even more. The whole point of a 300 Win Mag is having double or triple the range while remaining light.
@wisenber if you're laying low, though, why look for fights (engage at long range)? Is someone going to find you, as you put it, at 600 yards? 800? Probably not, so are you proactively shooting at them for some reason? You don't have to have 8 mags, either. Nice to have if you're the minuteman looking for fights that he's addressing in this video, but not a requirement for someone focusing on evasion. 3 spares ready to go on a very lightweight micro style setup (chest or belt) would be plenty (and easily concealable) and you could put more in a pack, if desired.
@@45calibermedic If I engage when they're out of range, I'm naturally out of range. That, and I'm not targeting anyone that hasn't been a threat. If I had to abandon my property, I'm carrying everything on my back. Carrying hundreds of rounds isn't "very lightweight", nor am I able to travel as quickly as I would going with fewer rounds and longer range. If you've ever tried to make a long range unsupported trip on foot in a wilderness, you'd get where I'm coming from.
I use the onward recce rig for the same reason! Modern chest rigs put too much shit where that shit doesnt need to be. Rifle mags, first aid, and some water is all I have on my chest rig
I ordered this chest rig using your Amazon link. They must have changed the design slightly because the D rings are not on them anymore and it will only hold 4 mags. If you did force two mags in each slot it would be so tight that a reload would be impossible in a reasonable amount of time. Mag slots are slightly oversized to where you can comfortably run AK mags as well. I was pretty bummed out about not having 8 but nonetheless it is still a nice rig for the money. I will be doing a review soon on my channel. Thanks again for the recommendation brother!
Nice. I wonder, what you suggest to keep in the admin pouch. Is there (or somewhere else on your body) anything some "survival stuff" tin case you had to get rid of your ruck and can't get back to it?
I do carry alot of ammo. Even though i was never in combat, i still have the mind set of having alot of ammo. I had infantry drill instructors in Marine boot camp. That is why i carry a total of 14 mags on my plate carrier and battlebelt. If i don't need the plate carrier i have my molle 2 vest that will carry 10 mags.i also have the redi mag on my rifle. I live in Arkansas so it has mountains and flat areas.
I'm a bit curious (as a muggle), what's the deal with not running plate carriers? Isn't it possible to remove the plates from plate carriers and have them still function pretty much perfectly fine? If they still need to have something in them to take up space/slack, I can't remember the name but I vaguely remember mentions of essentially a "plastic freezable canteen plate" that's designed to hold water to freeze so that you don't overheat in the summer and be able to carry water on a more ergonomic platform (having it equally distributed in your plate carrier where it's also closely strapped to your body as opposed to rear heavy and will sway more)
Lessons learned from GWOT: the bomb suit is only for CQB with explosions. Manboys in dresses and flipflops out-maneuvered us every time, especially in the mountains. I have some minimalist plate carriers but they can't hold a load without the rigidity of plates. Adding anything to mitigate that defeats the point of not using a plate carrier.
@@GruntProof That's fair, for my (usually) broke self, I wanted to be able to buy as little as possible and be able to either work around or modify the hell out it I usually see plate carriers with (of course) better fastening systems while having a whole lot of real estate, figuring that I could use the plate pouch as a pouch if I had no plates to cram in there
@@GruntProofArtillery and bombs have consistently been responsible for 85% of casualties since forever. Plates are almost required. “Anywhere” (definitely not here) you might fight will be fought with artillery, bombs, and drones. Plus if you don’t have thermal you’re screwed. You won’t be fighting coolies in flip flops and black pajamas. It will often likely be a guy sipping Starbucks inside an air conditioned van with a joystick.
I prefer LC2 harness Alice kit with a butt pack in the bush, way less front load on your body if you’re gonna be out a while. You can adjust the LC2 for balance. Its easy to carry more mags with the alice 3 mag pouches.
"We got our asses handed to us in terrain like this..." important to note the Taliban's loadout was typically an AK, 2-3 mags, sandals, and a water bottle. They fought very effectively with minimal kit. Like you said though, it's all about context!
talibans crossed into the first village and either coerced or convinced locals to give them food and water, then a quick stop to their cave system for more ammo. They were a guerrilla (I use "were" because apparently now that they run A'stan seems like they're converting to a conventional structure) so their M.O. was quick ambushes and retreat to resupply among a friendly or forced population. One could say that this is why you're supposed to grow your community, this way you can run a micro rig with a couple more mags in a 3-day pack during "recon" because you're not expected to live months inbetween resupplies at far distant staches/safehouses/looting areas, so you can keep a more "movement-oriented" rig (LBE or minimal chest) when you need to scout around, and a "combat oriented" rig (with more mags and ballistic protections and much less "support/sustenance" stuff) at your place to throw on when you need to defend your home
I'm 35 and with a physical disability speed and agility where all thrown out the window in the first place so I armored up with lvl 4+ Ridgebacks from guard dog body armor rather be able to take the hit since I can't run from it!
i did the same thing. should be getting my right hip replaced before the year is over but i still have a chonky rig because im not going to be running or patrolling far, ill be static or semi static so i figured i might as well become as tanky as possible. i also have a chest rig for when i can walk again if i ever need to walk far.
I am an old grunt and chest rigs suck when you hit the ground. The old Army ALICE rig with ammo pouches on the side and back allows you to hug the ground. My gunner in Afghanistan had a chest rig and for that turret job it was excellent. Dismount and it sucks.
I’ve went to a chest rig, and backpack basically turned into a jank plate carrier like setup. I carry 4 in the chest rig, 1 in gun, 4 in mag pouches on the assault pack, and 4 in a bandolier that has an IFAK minus TQ in it. 2 qts water in Nalgene, 2 or 3l source (can’t remember size), my pvs 14, thermal monocular, IFAK with add ons to make a CLS bag minus IV, radio, batteries, navigation equipment, pad pencil, sketch book, deployment kit (hand saw, pruning shears, camo stick, mini tripod) adapter for my tripod, 2 day of Mountain House and some POGy bait, fire kit, water kit, poncho, compressed woobie or woobie sweat shirt depending on weather, survival knife, bump helmet, gloves, ear pro, eye pro, 2 pair socks, 1 shirt, some 550 cord, solar powered battery bank modified to use the Velcro on the pack to charge on the move, and I either bedroll my tog or I clip it underneath the assault pack. I haven’t found my preference yet. This is my no screwing around, summer Reconnaissance load out.
You know. Its pretty overlooked but i really like the type 56 chest rig and alice lbe combo. In the rig is 6 mags, socks,tourniquet,knife,batteries,and compass. On the LBE everything else i need. If im out for more than a day or two, I'll drag along an assault pack or an alice large.
RIGHT! I've wondered by so many YT'rs have three to four magazines on their rig! I've been convinced that it's a fad. I've never served, but I am a militiaman. Since joining my state's second largest militia I have learned a lot. Particularly about the fighting and sustainment loadout. One thing is for sure, you must be in good to very good physical shape to be able to carry the weight of your plates, plus the magazines and other gear through rough terrain, such as the terrain you recorded in (as you stated in the video). I found out the hard way during a training exercise, where I wore a 15.2 pound PC, plus ammo and sustainment gear, plus my weapons on hilly terrain.
I think what a lot of people in this community also fail to understand too is that other than artillery, rifles are still not the most casualty producing modern weapon. Machine guns and grenade launchers are still the force multipliers in infantry fights. It doesn't matter how much money you spend on gear or your rifle to a certain point. You still are not going to be a more effective fighter even with seriously great training if your rifle still has the same general capabilities of your opponent especially if you are attacked by multiple people. You are better off making sure risky moves are limited and engagements are last ditch efforts.
Late to comment,love the Killer Instinct intro.After listening to you just explain it,this One Tigris chest rig just gives me peace of mind and now I have to have it.Thanks for the content…
The problem with these scenarios is that eventually you will run out of ammunition you will not easily replenish Your firearm will need new parts that are no longer available. In a totally SHTF situation you are better off learning to use a bow, crossbow or spear and wield a sword.
I carried 24 M-79 grenades on my chest and 18 to 24 in my pack, I just carried H.E. For the M-16, most guys carried 3 bandoleers with 7 magazines per bandoleer. None of this will be practical in an urban setting. I think we, as individuals, face different challenges, rural vs urban, in Different urban locations.
definitely. imo urban would be a good place to have more 3a soft armor coverage along with plates since you will probably be attacked by someone with a pistol caliber weapon. lots of people have ar's now but many of the people that will be out looking for trouble will probably have pistols, and we all know how inaccurate that demographic is with rifles lol.
I prefer the battle belt with mag pouches vs chest rigs. Plate carrier bare in the front as that extra weight and not being balanced f my back up after 9 years as 11B. I might stick 3 mags most in front that's it and rest on belt.
This rig holds 8 steel mags and 4 Pmags
Do you know of another chest rig that can take 8 Pmags I just gotmy today and try to put my two steel mag together, however they didn’t going in all way
@@kennyzayas9355 Yeah, I can't fit 8 mags in this rig either. Randal said "8 steel Mags". I am using poly mags, they are thicker. That is the problem. They are the same size at the Mag well section, thicker at the grip.
Iraq '03 I ran eight on my LBV, 6 in a drop leg rig, and 8 more in my pack. I ran out once. Can never have too much as long as you can still move effectively.
My brother was the same way left side drop leg with 4 mags and had them stuck everywhere...
I normally carried 4 and a 5th in the gun.
@@Valorius 6+1 was out standard load out, most of us carried more if we could scrounge mags.
Finally someone who makes sense. Same rig I run. Seen too many men weighted down with nonsense. 8 mags minimum, good knife, water, light and don't give a fook attitude.
@@redrusso9836exactly so many people even vets saying they only carried 3 and 1 in the gun . Man you were a member of the most powerful military had machine gunners for suppressive fire and air support . If the SHTF were on our own no one is bringing ammo or coming too save us you better have enough too at least break contact and escape .
At USMC TBS in 1982 we had to read the book, "A soldiers load and the Mobility of a Nation" by S.L.A Marshall. Loading down a warrior, significantly reduces their combat effectiveness. While effectively taking data from amphibious assaults and jungle warfare, the loss of 40-50% of troops due to weight carried, can limit overall success. They also told us at TBS, don't expect a miracle "resupply" of ammo, water or chow like you get during training. Good Info. Thanks and Semper Fi.
"We had sticks. Two sticks and a rock for the entire platoon! And we had to share the rock!" - Sgt Johnson
@@KingdomKillaz117 Old Corps!!! Ooooh Raaaah
This^ book is still probably required reading but then the Matrix wipes up their mouths with it after servicing the CCP for coin. Well said Semper Fidelis Bible and ⚔️.
The only time you can have too much ammo on you is if you're trying to swim or if you are on fire...
lol pretty much
The swimming part. Take off your cami pants tie off and make an improvised flotation device. Fire your screwed either way.
It’s heartening to see the shift in the mindset of the minuteman from CQB to more patrol/reconnaissance. I was guilty of running a micro rig and a 10.5” AR for a while until I started to really to think about it. Not that those aren’t viable options depending on the situation.
It's a shift back, you can see the old nut n fancy videos that patrol/reconnaissance was the main thing back then but CQB took hold of everyone in the late 2010s
I agree. Should move in groups with people who carry 16 mags and others that carry 7.
Reece you aren’t looking for a fight so 4-6 would be acceptable to me.
You can hit somebody with a 10.5 and mk262 hell of a lot farther away than most people think.
@@Followme556 yeah but a 55 grain .22 caliber bullet isn't shit once it's gets below 1200 FPS your just shoot 22lr at that point . You gotta about 100 yrds of decent fighting power out of a MK18 and that's what the intended purpose is
@@jonsingleton203 "We regularly engaged targets out to 500 meters with our Mk18s in Afghanistan," Retired 3rd US Special forces Senior ODA NCO, Jeff Gurwich, who runs the youtube channel Modern Tactical Shooting.
You can literally go right onto his page and ask him yourself.
You really no idea what you are talking about. That is all.
I was the ammo bearer on a M60 Gun Team in the 82nd. I carried the olde LBE H Harness and had 4 3 rnd mag pouches on the LBE with a field knife, a Lensatic compass, a 1911 and a Butt Pack. On my large ruck I had another 4 3 rnd mag pouches and the team's gear. Tripod, spare barrel kit and more MG ammo. Then came my sustainment kit. I jumped it and humped it. I still have that same LBE as it always worked and I could get in the prone with it. I have tried other kits and still go back to the LBE. Calculate how much 5.56 I was carrying. I also had a 1 qt canteen on each hip on the same rig.
I carried the M60 while enlisted and Used LBE with H when my own rig. Y for the silly pansy ass inspections. LMAO. '82-'91
I think it’s absurd to go willingly into an armed conflict with anything more than a Spiritus Micro Rig with 3 mags. Because if you’re gonna die, you need to make sure you look like a tier 1 flannel operator while your perforated carcass is laying in a ditch with crappy drawers. You need to have your kestrel, laser rangefinder and a GPS in the $79 utility pouch. Because if you’re taking incoming fire, you’re definitely going to want to take time to range the target and dial in your Nightforce optic to take one precise shot. Everyone knows that watching your impact and implementing a holdover to rapidly engage a threat is for noobs, and you’re only an operator if you have your dope chart in your multicam wristband. Don’t be a poser. All those pouches filled with extra mags are for larpers. Your belt should have nothing on it except your sexy plastic holster for a staccato with a red dot and flashlight plus 2 extra pistol mags you’ll never use in a fight. But don’t ever put any other gear on your hips. I don’t care if that’s where you’re anatomically best equipped to carry a load. It doesn’t look cool. Everything, including your lunch, wet weather gear, prescription meds, land nav, night vision, and a change of underwear should all be on your chest rig. If it interferes with your reload in a fight and you die from it, it’s only because you didn’t spend enough money going to training courses where some washed up security guard yells at you about your split times and not flicking your safety back on fast enough while you’re rehearsing how to navigate the numerous pouches on your loadout. Get good.
Don't forget that any AR over 14.5 inches is basically a flintlock musket and weighs 36 long tons and will be worthless when you're kicking in doors any clearing rooms because that's what all modern combat is gonna be and you'll basically be John Wick and you definitely absolutely won't get blown up by a tripwire when you kick the door or peppered by a 12 gauge from a dude camping the corner.
This was fucking hilarious
Someone’s been hurt by the industry and we are here for you 😂
Absolutely epic
🤣 Im crying 🤣🤣
I carried 9 as 0311,changed to 0321 and ran 4. Situation dictates. But for minute man purposes, if you can, run as many as you can, agreed. This is why physical fitness is paramount. Don’t be a sack of potatoes trying to run 30 pounds of ammo plus gear.
Weird. As an 0321 we ran 13 mags back in the day.
@@johnlewis4325 sounds about right if you were part of a MAGTF.
Laughs in 0332
The rubberized backplate would also keep it stationary if you threw it on the hood of a vehicle in order to load it or to retrieve admin stuff (map) before/after a patrol.
@Hulk Hogan I'm not a gamer or a movie watcher so I don't know what that is. I'm speaking from experience.
Great video. Smersh/Alice/PCLE rigs are also very overlooked in my opinion. Depending on how you set it up, you can run up to 12 mags, 2 canteens, and one admin/medical pouch. They are really good for bearing weight if you have to do a lot of walking and they keep your chest flat which helps while going prone. One downside is they will not be as comfortable if you are going to be doing a lot of vehicle work.
Dont forget the old ChiCom gear, its unbelievable how cheap and abundant that stuff is.
PLCE fighting order is the way to go. You could even wear a small chest rig in addition to the belt kit and maybe an assault pack. It works great in the forest compared to a puffed out LBE or whatever with the weight all on your front
Nice brother! I run the OPS Enhanced Combat Chest Rig (via 0241 Tactical retailer) and it's a similar layout if not slightly more with 2 side Canteen/ GP Pouches and 2 inner Radio/ Mag size pouches. 8 to 10 Mags minimum!!!!
Also why we're seeing the resurgence of LBE's, proper sustainment gear is essential while still being able to move faster and easier beating the heat.
@@DD_Dietriech Look at the OPS Easy Rig instead via 0241 Tactical. There are a few other 7.62x51 split rigs out there too.
Some of my Marine friends were telling me they'd rather carry more ammo and ditch other gear, to have more ammo with them. Ammo does win fights alot of times so it makes sense. BUT if you're just going from point A to point B to get to your bug out position you should be traveling as light as possible. But then again if you do get into one and you don't have enough ammo your going to be screwed. So that brings me right back to carrying a bunch of ammo makes more sense to me just in case you get into a fire fight.
and honestly in a shtf situation how many people are really going to be bugging out so far that they wont be back for dinner, lol. im bugging in, im defending my home and neighborhood. will patrol the local area with my buddies to secure the town so i wont need 3 days of food and such, just some snacks, water, and plenty of ammo... and i actually will be wearing my armor because i dont really intend on going that far out so the weight of the armor wont be that big of a deal.
@@alphawolfgang173What about natural disaster? I doubt you’ll be bugging in then. Depending on your area you might have to leave your State. Now what.
@@ballisticintegrity9741 the only things thats ever going to happen where i live is potentially a forest fire. nothing else ever happens here. and if there is a natural disaster we're grabbing the bags and leaving to somewhere safe, im not gonna be out patrolling in the sticks... im gonna be right with my family the whole time making sure everyones safe. and yes im taking my chest rig loaded with mags along with my family bag to sustain us for a while.
@@alphawolfgang173 Yes Indeed
The Ham Karen's radio of choice: The Boo Fwang. 😆 Cracks me up every time
I'm more into belt setups with suspenders. And a chest rig for admin/general items. Combined with a large 80L rug and a small backpack for mission items.
Carry as much ammo as you can...But actually have solid medical (and not just stuff for gsw), food, water, and/or water filtration. Depending on the shtf situation starvation, dehydration, infection and illness may clap you before a gunfight. Be fit, carry as much as you can (inlcuding pew pew pills) but be smart with what you carry. Also, you may not be able refit. Be smart, it aint all about the firefight.
Another good idea if you're planning on staying within a general location. You may want to look into setting up resupply Caches with ammo, food, etc.
How does all that gear strapped to your chest affect your ability to get down in the dirt and out of the line of fire? It's got to add like 6 or 8 inches of height between you and the ground, right? Back in the 80's we carried the old H-harness, warbelt, and ammo pouches. I'd keep my warbelt unhooked so I could push the gear out of the way and let my torso sink flat on the ground. Oh yeah, and unless it was winter time conditions I lived out of my ass pack.
i bought an mfh south african assault vest for that reason, the pouches are off to the side and it has a built in hydration pouch. very breathable and comfortable and i can go prone without crushing anything since the pouches are off to the sides.
@@alphawolfgang173 Have you ever used an original Pattern 83 vest? If so how does the MFH compare? Is it made in China?
Yep, I had the Y-harness but now use an LBV88 enhanced with the alice belt. I carry 10 mags between the vest and my belt while still leaving my chest and belly slick. I can't stand chest rigs! Just patrolling with the rifle slung on top of all that sh!t blows. I still can't find a video with anyone low crawling with a chest rig. Seem like they are made for fighting from vehicles in urban environments clearing structures and not so much for more rural settings.
Over the years i’ve really moved to enjoying lbes and split chest rigs. I can carry 6-8 mags and move around pretty fast and not die in 100degree Heat. Also i can still wear those over slick carriers if i’m at say like a static security check point.
Hell yea
I disagree with your statement. As a 1 man team, or a very small team, I’m not wanting to get into trouble. If I do, I’m getting the heck out of dodge super quick like. 4 mags would be plenty as long as I’m not trying to assault a city or pull off a bank robbery.
Plenty of real world combat situations where a small team was compromised and had to fight thier way out with over 100 enemy troops attempting to close in. 4 mags won't do you much good. Better to have more ammo.
What if you take contact while trying to break contact?
@praharin SOP's vary. But, generally they involve returning fire, (1 to 2 mags), move to cover in the general direction you are going, re-engage as necessary to allow others to be able to move to cover, repeat. How far you can run between cover before the bad guys start shooting again dictates how fast you can withdraw. As you might guess this can consume quite a lot of ammo.
I'm so glad you brought up the being too weighed down by too much gear. So many people ignore that I've even brought it up and was regarded as stupid. Their justification for carrying 300 lb. Of gear was holding up to Be self-efficient or several months at a time. I'm like that's stupid we have outposts and firebases for a reason. Hell I even wanted to ditch the M-9 and replace it for two extra mags.
Consider a surplus TAP rig as an alternative. You can hold up to 10 AR mags and have plenty of webbing to mount additional pouches if necessary.
I think its good point. Most people have never done any force on force training or seen combat to realize how bad a situation can get where you will need all the ammo you can. One grunt to another keep doing what your doing and let the keyboard warriors die when there fantasy hits reality
I actually like the old Army LBVs that we wore in Alaska in the 90s. They excel at weight distribution.
still prefer my old LBE over any current setup
Even in late Iraq (2009) I carried 8 on my rig. Learned very early on how quickly you can go through ammo.
Chest rigs are awesome for carrying mission essentials, but what about sustainment? Could you touch on that as well? For instance, does this kit have provisions for canteens and or a camelback on the rear? Thanks for the video.
Crayons.
@@KingdomKillaz117 I love the purple flavor ones.
how long do you plan your patrols to be? as a civilian during shtf i will patrol my neighborhood and maybe even the town but im not going to be far out in the sticks. i imagine the biggest threat we'd face would be gangs/criminals/antifa taking advantage of the lawlessness, im not so worried about foreign armies but those are always a potential threat. for sustainment just get a small assault backpack and throw some cans of spam in there lol.
Love the Killer Instinct soundtrack
I run 12, on my rig. And 6+ in my pack. There is no one dropping any off for you. You have only what you carry. Fast and Essentials only. Spend is protection.
The Boof-wang uv5r is the “HAM Karen’s favorite radio,” flippin hilarious!!! 😂
The double front mag pouches do make it alot harder to get flat prone.
Just standing there mate, regardless of all your mags, you've just been popped by the sniper with the bolt gun hidden in all your shot up trees.
Thank you for this. I often thought I was a little overboard with 9 rifle, and 6 pistol mags tied on my vest. I feel better about my setup now.
You should try the Helikon Tex Guardian Rig. It allegedly is supposed to hold eight rifle mags, a pistol and two pistol mags, and two canteens. I took out the “holster,” and the pistol mag carriers and two of the rifle mag holders on mine and just run the spaces for them as admin pouches for survival items and whatnot, and one of the canteen pouches I’ve repurposed as an IFAK pouch. Plus, I have a dangler, which at this point holds jerky. I haven’t grunt proofed it, but thus far, it seems like a solid rig, especially when paired with a bandolier in an assault pack and/or LBE.
Tracer tactical has good stuff as well as Haley Strategic I personally use there full size rig not the micro, onward research but they all are more expensive because all three companies are berry compliant and not made in China.
I’ve been watching some conflict videos and I am convinced. If you don’t have a thermal weapon scope, it’s like you should just stay home. One video on funker 530 ONE GUY clears a trench. I was as close to combat being unfair as you can get. The men in the trench are terrified as he just walks around and kills them in the dark. He sees one guy pull a grenade shoots him in the face step back and the grenade goes off well after he is out of harm’s way. He was shooting these armed men at maybe 5 yards and in, they were helpless.
Glad there are guys trying to educate each other
never can have enough ammo. that being said, most people even in a doomsday type scenario aren't going into a war type battle where you need to lay down massive amounts of firepower. better to avoid firefights when possible. just have a couple mags you can grab quickly and the rest in your pack or something. just my thoughts on it.
Agreed
He has another video explaining how even if you are trying to avoid a fight and end up having to break contact that you will quickly deplete 3 mags on a minimalist rig.
Nice setup very practical. Some people don't like the chest rig because they think it hinders you from laying flat on the ground but they can use the old school LBE or LBV and move mag pouches to the side, everyone is different. Subscribed my dude.😎
Ive run the Multicam vulture v1 from onetigris for a couple years now, the only big change I made to it was replacing the shoulder straps. I wasnt a fan of the hotspot the X harness made in the center of my back. I got an H harness from another company and never went back. its a really good piece of gear for the price
Please tell me what harness you got from the other company
I still rock my TAPS rig, just upgraded the shoulder harness.
Killer Instinct 😂 that sound brought back so many memories from the arcade
Helikon Tex Guardian rig. Carry up to 12 AR mags and have room for an admin, canteen, and IFAK. Only issue is finding one for an affordable price. Most are sold out or are costing almost $200. It's a tough sell with the One Tigris costing less than $75.
Great stuff...thank you. I think I'll defer to your Ramadi experience for capacity/capabilities needed.
One suggestion for a future review. Take a look at the Yaesu FT-50R in comparison to the Baofeng UV-5R for comms.
Also...consider making a forced march training video for those prepping for the 'pack test' in order to get into wildland fire fighting
What is the standard?
@@GruntProof .. 3 mile walk/hike (no jog, no run) on level ground with a 45 lb pack in 45 minutes. The Wildland Arduous Medical Qual Test or 'Pack Test'.
@@FTroop37F great idea - I’m a volunteer FF in New England, most of our jobs are structure but every now and then we get a good brush job, a lot of work to get it contained and put out.
Just make sure you hydrate well -- toughing lack of water when you have to is what it is, but don't do it during training. It's unnecessary, unhealthy, and can hurt you.
Good rig when carrying a full Ruck and need the waistline clear.. I’m ranting something almost identical to this but only 3 mags wide up front to work in conjunction with my jungle belt setup when only carrying a 1-3day pack and not a full ruck.. which really is why I built a molle version of the only Alice LBE really cause I’d rather not have a big ass pack and be able to spread the load around all over evenly..
Oh how quick people forget how much you can carry with h-harness and belt using saw pouches and a field pack..
I got 100ema d saw pouches at 2:30 and 9:30 off the belt so anything wider then 3 up front going to give me issues.. I do like this a lot though
i have a flecktarn MFH or miltec "south african assault vest" which is a very breathable chest rig with lots of pockets and a hydration pouch on the back. can easily fit 12+ mags. not sure how durable it is, i only took it out on like 12 light patrols before i got crippled but it has been very nice so far. i like that the pouches are more off to the sides so you can go prone without squishing anything. seems like a great chest rig and when i can walk again im going to go rough it up some more.
Get after it my man. You’ll get there.
You'll no doubt be using all that extra ammo on targets you can identify. But the ones you can't ID are more dangerous for that very reason. These days good thermals -- hand-held or mounted -- can deliver amazing Intel night or day for way less than the cost of a work truck. The AGM Sidewinder and Taipan in particular are worth a look.
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I dumped money on an Onward Research Recce Rig. Reason being I like the idea of keeping myself light and mobile. Maybe not worth the price, maybe it is. I like the minimalist design. I live at altitude in a wide open and hilly area close to the Rockies so bulking on gear is likely not a thing I'd want to do if I need to be on the move.
looks like it's worth the price
I was infantry in 92'-96, never saw action. But ill never forget my dad telling me about his best bud in Korea, Troxler. Said he carried an M1 carbune with only two spare mags. He said he found his body in a bunker when they took it back from the Chinese. It was in a corner, and he didnt have a spare round of ammo on him, and this ill never forget "he had over a hundred rounds theough his body". So when i joined, my dad beat into my head enough ALWAYS CARRY AS MUCH AMMO AS YOU CAN
The Killer Instinct music is absolutely perfect....
A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition. -Rudyard Kipling
lmao Randall full on Predator mode? .. well yeah PRETTY MUCH 🤣
"Ruuun! Go. Get to da FOrWhEELER!" 🗿
Killer sound track , your instinct is on point !
Marine 0351, ran 7 mags in Afghanistan. One in the rifle and 6 on the body, but i was often carrying rockets or demo also. Or i acted as a 0331. My chest rig is a placard that can go on my plates for certain situations. also have a 6 mag count placard already on the plate carrier that can be exchanged for the chest rig placard. The chest rig holds 4 but usually one has a radio in it, but i could buy two wings for it if needed to up that count. However I always have the ability to run 3 more mags on my belt. 1 as a quick reload in an hsgi puch and 2 more in a normal military surplus 2 bag pouch hooked on the belt. So basically what im saying is you can be flexible with your gear, and change what you need for the mission. Good video otherwise, i'll be watching for more.
I have the platatac peacekeeper and i love it so far. It holds 6 mag, built in dangler and 2 bug gp pouches on the sides. I even added a mag shingle in the map pocket to plus up 2 more mags
Plus, the Peacekeeper has the benefit of being NIR compliant, something which I doubt the OneTigris rig is. I also love my Peacekeeper rig. I added a support side mag pouch, and battery/small GP pouch to the other side.
Love my mayflower chest rig and I can put it on my PC if I need to run that. I grabbed the trex back strap and it pulls it all tight to your body perfectly so it doesnt bounce when running.
Yes sir.... the 1st thing I stocked up on after ammo was many many mags....I took advantage of the buy 500 rounds and 10 mags many times....then moved to optics!
From among thousands of specialists, YOU are the only one with the correct setup. ok.
i think a south african style assault vest is generally better. more pockets, very breathable, pouches are off to the sides so you can be more comfortable in prone, and it has a built in hydration pouch.
Good Video, but the purpose of a Recce rig is to recce, not to stand in a fight. You break contact and get out of there.
But everything else you said is correct.
Look up Battle Drill "break contact" then tell me how 4 mags fits in. Pretty tough to conserve ammo over miles with an overwhelming force chasing you. Then, for the practical assignment, look up the ODA tbat was wiped out by Boku Haram because they were dependent on backup and resupply.
"HAM Karens' absolute favorite radio."😂
Great review and evaluation. ALL GEAR is mission dependent. I have a plate carrier rig that is set up for what would essentially be a heavy SWAT raid that would work to defend my home/property or to head out with some of my pipehitters to retrieve someone or something very important in an urban environment. Have a micro armor rig with 3 mags to bug out and get home and I have a very similar rig as this for patrolling/recce on my property out in the semi urban boonies. Much easier to get around in and carry than the full DEVGRU Bin Laden set up.
That killer Instinct theme takes me back lol
The Minutemen need to become drone masters.
It seems the modernized combat doctrine is all about volume of fire. I was raised under the tutelage of a WW2 Fighting Engineer who landed D-Day and pushed all the way through the German lines. His doctrine was always ammunition preservation, one shoot then move before mortar fire would rain down on you. He always made the discipline of fire more important than volume of fire I would get hell for shooting a semiauto too fast.
I’m curious to see how it looks under NODS if it dies glow you can always spray paint it. But awesome vid. Glad someone is showing something affordable and not some crye BS
Recon is what I trained, recon is what I know, recce seems to be the latest fad in prepping. It's refreshing to see your views expressed. Good to see someone stepping outside the mould. Your content is always insightful, wise, and leaves an impression. Keep up the good work brother, you're what this community needs.
I love the Killer Instinct music!! Lmao!!
Metal mags, NOT pmags folks. Calories, water container+iodine. 1st line woods shit couple oz. Sleep system+weather clothes. Then its as much ammo and mission-speicifc gear as you can carry. Folks tryna take their house with em.
Curious to the aversion to pmags. I have many of both and like both but the pmags seem more durable. I'm always willing to admit being wrong though
@@aceman1126 become brittle, degrade quickly until they crack when used in the cold, even temperate climate winters. The shrink-expand with sudden shocks is hell for plastic. Not a problem in peacetime, since you bring it outside from room temp to hit some paper. We spent 20 years in an arid context, so its not something often mentioned
@@akatsukiawsome13 good to know thanks bro. Glad I stacked both
@@aceman1126 also metal mags are slimmer, can fit more in some pouches.
I can see that. I prefer avoidance, caches, my Win Mag 300 and AGM night optics with an external power source if I had to actually bug out from my home.
If I've left my home base, I'm not trying to seize or hold any ground. I'm trying to lay low enough long enough to see what makes sense in the longer term.
I'd want to be exchanging two rounds well out of range of their 160 rounds. If I can't do that, they'll have to find me.
I've hiked 2500+ unique miles of trails roughly 90 miles out in 360 degrees of my home base so I won't need the maps or GPS I have. However, 16 of my caches have maps, and 4 have a handheld GPS and batteries.
That being said, it is a pain in the behind to verify the location (or relocate) and swap out expiring items on a five year rotation.
I'm coming up on my fourth rotation. Gamma buckets get replaced every other swap. When I'm gone, there will be quite a few time capsules for people to find.
What do you think of a 5.56 carbine for your use? If you want to avoid contact, do so. Observe with your thermal optic or some binos and move carefully, as you said. If you're made, it'll probably be hard and fast at close range. You'll want to break contact or you may be forced to defend your position until the opposition is gone. In both scenarios, a carbine that carries 20 or 30 in the magazine and will run as fast as you need it to would be a great asset. Maybe even a short one with a suppressor to maintain light weight and not get too long. That'll keep your signature down and let friendlies communicate easier.
@@45calibermedic "What do you think of a 5.56 carbine for your use?"
I think I would no longer have the range and accuracy advantage of the 300 Win Mag and I'll need 8 magazines as trade rounds. If you're suggesting both, then I've lost my speed advantage from going light.
" Maybe even a short one with a suppressor "
That will reduce your range and velocity even more.
The whole point of a 300 Win Mag is having double or triple the range while remaining light.
@wisenber if you're laying low, though, why look for fights (engage at long range)? Is someone going to find you, as you put it, at 600 yards? 800? Probably not, so are you proactively shooting at them for some reason? You don't have to have 8 mags, either. Nice to have if you're the minuteman looking for fights that he's addressing in this video, but not a requirement for someone focusing on evasion. 3 spares ready to go on a very lightweight micro style setup (chest or belt) would be plenty (and easily concealable) and you could put more in a pack, if desired.
@@45calibermedic If I engage when they're out of range, I'm naturally out of range.
That, and I'm not targeting anyone that hasn't been a threat.
If I had to abandon my property, I'm carrying everything on my back.
Carrying hundreds of rounds isn't "very lightweight", nor am I able to travel as quickly as I would going with fewer rounds and longer range.
If you've ever tried to make a long range unsupported trip on foot in a wilderness, you'd get where I'm coming from.
@@wisenber are you trying to avoid or proactively snipe at people though?
I use the onward recce rig for the same reason! Modern chest rigs put too much shit where that shit doesnt need to be. Rifle mags, first aid, and some water is all I have on my chest rig
I ordered this chest rig using your Amazon link. They must have changed the design slightly because the D rings are not on them anymore and it will only hold 4 mags. If you did force two mags in each slot it would be so tight that a reload would be impossible in a reasonable amount of time. Mag slots are slightly oversized to where you can comfortably run AK mags as well. I was pretty bummed out about not having 8 but nonetheless it is still a nice rig for the money. I will be doing a review soon on my channel. Thanks again for the recommendation brother!
Could you wear a “concealed vest” under your jacket or shirt and then just put the chest rig on?
Nice. I wonder, what you suggest to keep in the admin pouch. Is there (or somewhere else on your body) anything some "survival stuff" tin case you had to get rid of your ruck and can't get back to it?
Skittles, of course
Crayons?
Ah, the Killer Instinct theme.
How many found memories.
I do carry alot of ammo. Even though i was never in combat, i still have the mind set of having alot of ammo. I had infantry drill instructors in Marine boot camp. That is why i carry a total of 14 mags on my plate carrier and battlebelt. If i don't need the plate carrier i have my molle 2 vest that will carry 10 mags.i also have the redi mag on my rifle. I live in Arkansas so it has mountains and flat areas.
Ok I'm going to geek out for a second. I love the fact that you have the Killer Instinct theme playing in the intro.
I'm a bit curious (as a muggle), what's the deal with not running plate carriers? Isn't it possible to remove the plates from plate carriers and have them still function pretty much perfectly fine?
If they still need to have something in them to take up space/slack, I can't remember the name but I vaguely remember mentions of essentially a "plastic freezable canteen plate" that's designed to hold water to freeze so that you don't overheat in the summer and be able to carry water on a more ergonomic platform (having it equally distributed in your plate carrier where it's also closely strapped to your body as opposed to rear heavy and will sway more)
Lessons learned from GWOT: the bomb suit is only for CQB with explosions. Manboys in dresses and flipflops out-maneuvered us every time, especially in the mountains. I have some minimalist plate carriers but they can't hold a load without the rigidity of plates. Adding anything to mitigate that defeats the point of not using a plate carrier.
@@GruntProof That's fair, for my (usually) broke self, I wanted to be able to buy as little as possible and be able to either work around or modify the hell out it
I usually see plate carriers with (of course) better fastening systems while having a whole lot of real estate, figuring that I could use the plate pouch as a pouch if I had no plates to cram in there
@@cej3940 Look into the hardish foam plates that the airsofters use. They might be the ticket for you.
@@jhutch1470 that's fair yeah
@@GruntProofArtillery and bombs have consistently been responsible for 85% of casualties since forever. Plates are almost required. “Anywhere” (definitely not here) you might fight will be fought with artillery, bombs, and drones. Plus if you don’t have thermal you’re screwed. You won’t be fighting coolies in flip flops and black pajamas. It will often likely be a guy sipping Starbucks inside an air conditioned van with a joystick.
Love the Killer Instinct intro!!
The t Rex guy said all I needed was a micro rig with two clips
how low can you get in prone position though?
I prefer LC2 harness Alice kit with a butt pack in the bush, way less front load on your body if you’re gonna be out a while. You can adjust the LC2 for balance. Its easy to carry more mags with the alice 3 mag pouches.
"We got our asses handed to us in terrain like this..." important to note the Taliban's loadout was typically an AK, 2-3 mags, sandals, and a water bottle. They fought very effectively with minimal kit. Like you said though, it's all about context!
talibans crossed into the first village and either coerced or convinced locals to give them food and water, then a quick stop to their cave system for more ammo. They were a guerrilla (I use "were" because apparently now that they run A'stan seems like they're converting to a conventional structure) so their M.O. was quick ambushes and retreat to resupply among a friendly or forced population.
One could say that this is why you're supposed to grow your community, this way you can run a micro rig with a couple more mags in a 3-day pack during "recon" because you're not expected to live months inbetween resupplies at far distant staches/safehouses/looting areas, so you can keep a more "movement-oriented" rig (LBE or minimal chest) when you need to scout around, and a "combat oriented" rig (with more mags and ballistic protections and much less "support/sustenance" stuff) at your place to throw on when you need to defend your home
I'm 35 and with a physical disability speed and agility where all thrown out the window in the first place so I armored up with lvl 4+ Ridgebacks from guard dog body armor rather be able to take the hit since I can't run from it!
i did the same thing. should be getting my right hip replaced before the year is over but i still have a chonky rig because im not going to be running or patrolling far, ill be static or semi static so i figured i might as well become as tanky as possible. i also have a chest rig for when i can walk again if i ever need to walk far.
i had 8in my rig, 2 on my belt, another 6 on my back and around 250 live rounds in a plastic canteen for loading.
I am an old grunt and chest rigs suck when you hit the ground. The old Army ALICE rig with ammo pouches on the side and back allows you to hug the ground. My gunner in Afghanistan had a chest rig and for that turret job it was excellent. Dismount and it sucks.
I’ve went to a chest rig, and backpack basically turned into a jank plate carrier like setup. I carry 4 in the chest rig, 1 in gun, 4 in mag pouches on the assault pack, and 4 in a bandolier that has an IFAK minus TQ in it. 2 qts water in Nalgene, 2 or 3l source (can’t remember size), my pvs 14, thermal monocular, IFAK with add ons to make a CLS bag minus IV, radio, batteries, navigation equipment, pad pencil, sketch book, deployment kit (hand saw, pruning shears, camo stick, mini tripod) adapter for my tripod, 2 day of Mountain House and some POGy bait, fire kit, water kit, poncho, compressed woobie or woobie sweat shirt depending on weather, survival knife, bump helmet, gloves, ear pro, eye pro, 2 pair socks, 1 shirt, some 550 cord, solar powered battery bank modified to use the Velcro on the pack to charge on the move, and I either bedroll my tog or I clip it underneath the assault pack. I haven’t found my preference yet.
This is my no screwing around, summer Reconnaissance load out.
You know. Its pretty overlooked but i really like the type 56 chest rig and alice lbe combo. In the rig is 6 mags, socks,tourniquet,knife,batteries,and compass. On the LBE everything else i need. If im out for more than a day or two, I'll drag along an assault pack or an alice large.
Hahaha I love the killer instinct music loved that game as a kid.
🤘🏻🤘🏻
I run the Onward RECCE Rig. It has similar capabilities and is one of my favorites.
I like to ask would that chest rig hold 8 p mags? Also is aluminum mags tougher then p mags?
RIGHT! I've wondered by so many YT'rs have three to four magazines on their rig! I've been convinced that it's a fad.
I've never served, but I am a militiaman. Since joining my state's second largest militia I have learned a lot. Particularly about the fighting and sustainment loadout. One thing is for sure, you must be in good to very good physical shape to be able to carry the weight of your plates, plus the magazines and other gear through rough terrain, such as the terrain you recorded in (as you stated in the video). I found out the hard way during a training exercise, where I wore a 15.2 pound PC, plus ammo and sustainment gear, plus my weapons on hilly terrain.
Most of them, even the vets have not been on the two-way range, and just do what they see the operators do, not understanding why they do it.
Serious question: how is that rig in the prone? Access and comfort? I run a molle and alice LARP and i keep the front clear for prone activities.
Now you know how Morganna “The Kissing Bandit” felt at times.🤣🤣🤣
I think what a lot of people in this community also fail to understand too is that other than artillery, rifles are still not the most casualty producing modern weapon. Machine guns and grenade launchers are still the force multipliers in infantry fights. It doesn't matter how much money you spend on gear or your rifle to a certain point. You still are not going to be a more effective fighter even with seriously great training if your rifle still has the same general capabilities of your opponent especially if you are attacked by multiple people. You are better off making sure risky moves are limited and engagements are last ditch efforts.
Late to comment,love the Killer Instinct intro.After listening to you just explain it,this One Tigris chest rig just gives me peace of mind and now I have to have it.Thanks for the content…
The surefire 60 round mag helps minimizing the space you need for mags. Even just one.
The problem with these scenarios is that eventually you will run out of ammunition you will not easily replenish Your firearm will need new parts that are no longer available. In a totally SHTF situation you are better off learning to use a bow, crossbow or spear and wield a sword.
I carried 24 M-79 grenades on my chest and 18 to 24 in my pack, I just carried H.E. For the M-16, most guys carried 3 bandoleers with 7 magazines per bandoleer. None of this will be practical in an urban setting. I think we, as individuals, face different challenges, rural vs urban, in Different urban locations.
definitely. imo urban would be a good place to have more 3a soft armor coverage along with plates since you will probably be attacked by someone with a pistol caliber weapon. lots of people have ar's now but many of the people that will be out looking for trouble will probably have pistols, and we all know how inaccurate that demographic is with rifles lol.
I prefer H harness belts with a chest rig on top.
I like the balance
I prefer the battle belt with mag pouches vs chest rigs.
Plate carrier bare in the front as that extra weight and not being balanced f my back up after 9 years as 11B.
I might stick 3 mags most in front that's it and rest on belt.