Why Traction Control is Limiting You - F1 2021 Tutorials
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Traction control off will make you a lot faster! I did a couple of laps with traction control on full, traction control on medium, and traction control off around Silverstone. How much faster are you with traction control off?
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Him: gains seconds without TC
Me: loses 30 seconds because I spin every corner
Only 30? That's pretty good.
I did spin when I played with steering wheel without FFB, after I bought G29, I improve a lot my driving, never spin, save tyres and save fuel, it's a way more fun, serious, good and a must have FFB on wheel
Facts lol
Try not to turn to much
@@talktalkalot6196 what's FFB?
Once you get used to no TC you will never go back, and I'm not just talking about F1 games but other games and sims in general. Now, I drive with a controller so I'm still slow, but I'm a lot faster than what I would be if I used TC.
That’s awesome!
@@MarcelKiefer Thanks man, just trying to keep up :)
I agree and not even for the speed, the experience is just so much better. You are controlling the car a lot more, getting to feel the limit, makes you feel like an actual racer. It can be very frustrating at first especially with contoller, that's why most people don't even try, but once you get used to it, it's like you've discovered a new world.
@@yordanmalinov6419 Exactly, playing with controller takes away from the immersion so much already, that's why I like to have as much control over the car as possible, to keep the little immersion I have left. If spinning and being generally slower than wheel users is the price I have to pay for a more realistic experience, then so be it.
I start a new game with all assists off. It's easier to get used to the game once than have to get used to it two, three, or four times as you progressively remove assists. I know people who start racing games with automatic transmission and even after they get good (which is extremely easy in automatic) they are too scared to switch. It's like I'm racing with kids who still have their training wheels on. lol
Norris and Russell have both said that medium traction control actually makes the cars react like they do in real life
Pretty sure they were saying that about F1 2019 and it was raining as well. They were commenting how unrealistic they were getting wheelspin even in 4th gear in the wet. I haven't played 2021 but as you can see in this video, you can go full throttle and never spin out on medium.. . That is not realistic. Even cars with factory TCS (like GT3 cars) you can still spin out with too much throttle
@@JoeyJoJo85 they said it about f1 2020 and f1 2021 as well
@@jamiefookes1579 I watched the video. It was specifically about the rain physics. Either way I've been playing F1 22 with no TCS and no ABS and it's pretty decent on the realism. It's no iRacing or RFactor2 but I can go play iRacing Mercedes W12 2021 and turn jump on F1 22 and it's not that much of an adjustment.
@@JoeyJoJo85 with a controller it s soooo much more difficult
@mehdi remidi obviously. It's a controller lol. You don't drive with your fingers
4:54 Perfect representation of the car sounds marcel 😂
😂
I started playing F1 with TC but after a month of practicing with it off, applying the right amount of throttle through certain turns and short shifting feels like second nature.
Nice! Without TC I definitely struggle in slow corners like in portugal or any hairpin actually xD Also setup tips would be nice because I don't know if the setup from time trial leaderboards are good if I first need to learn driving without TC.
Portugal is really tricky:D
Monte Carlo too I bet.
I use to struggle but if you take the right amount of speed into the corner and short shift you should be fine.
TT setups are a good start, but they set up the car to be really on the edge and thus, it is easy to make the car unstable. My general rule of thumb for a good race setup is to use the TT setup but set the wings one or two clicks higher, and lower the suspension. Not suspension geometry, but suspension. Most TT setups use LOW/HIGH suspension to get the car pointy, like 1-7, 1-7, 2-7. Lower the HIGH numbers a bit to gain a bit more stability as you see fit or raise the LOW numbers, so like 2-6, 2-6, 3-6. (Just an example).
TT setups are good in a pinch, but if you find yourself racing against anyone with actual skill, you might be able to keep up for the first few laps, but either your tires will wear out way faster than them, or you will end up losing time due to multiple incidents destabilizing the car with a twitchy TT setup.
TT setups are good in TT because it sets the car to be fastest through the track at the cost of stability. You also don't need to worry about dirty air, tire wear, etc. But in regards to TC, it doesn't matter what your setup is. Obviously having higher rear wing will help with traction, but then you suffer at tracks where a lower rear wing would benefit you in the race.
@@ccramit im a newbie and this was a perfect analysis thanks lol
Great content man. If you keep this up you'll be at 100k in no time. Thanks for helping!
I like the idea you had in another video to do track guides and show braking points and tips. Keep up the good work man.
Thank you Kyle :)🙏
I have tried using No TC ever since I started playing 2021, compared to 2020 I feel the handling model allows the use of No TC more. However I have noticed some strange quirks of this game, first is the random loss of traction when leaving a traction zone its unpredictable and just happens. Second is there is a difference with the engines, Merc engine has a sudden burst of torque at lower revs, while honda is linear. Anyways my struggle with No TC is the random snaps you get that just lead into a full spin. Could it be throttle linearity?
I think I would recommend just sticking with it as throttle linearity will make it more „unnatural“ - will upload a no TC tutorial + tips and tricks Video tomorrow 🤝
@@MarcelKiefer what about real life F1 cars, are they also tunable in the same way with all these throttle linearity stuff or is that just for game?
PS: any particular reason you go into all those slow corners in 3rd/4th gear instead of 2nd? I noticed car spins if accelerating too fast from hairpins in 2nd gear or lower (Ferrari, didn't try other cars)
@@swimboy89 u have a lower rpm in higher gears. With lower rpm u have less power therefore its easier to keep control of your car
@@slimfitbro5223 but you're slower obviously :)
@@nicowagner2427 no, you are not slower, it's actually the opposite, or people wouldn't use it, don't you think, my brother? :)
I have searched for such a video the enitre last month. But nobody explained the benefits of no traction control / time loss gained. Thank you for the video
Glad to be able and help out:)
Thank you these tutorial videos are helping me a lot but the main thing is practice makes perfect
Exactly!
In real life there is maximum traction when the tire actually is at a certain amount of wheel slip. Also the fastest racers like Michael Schumacher were masters of controlled drifts and controlling oversteer which ultimately makes you faster around the track.
Great video! 0.5 Seconds by just switching it from full to medium 🤯🤯
Thanks y‘all😎🤝
I love your videos. Amongst all the Esports drivers your videos are by far the most informative, detailed and helpful. Your videos are so lovable like the Vettel of esports :)
That‘s one hell of a compliment thank you 🙏
Decided to buy a cockpit and racing wheels in the end of the month to really focus on getting better and turning assists off, but I'll definetly try putting traction control on medium until then, I loose so damn much time on the exits vs the AI. Great video
Edit: Tried medium Traction around Sotchi for 10 laps or so on training and felt a difference at once, so I decided to try no Traction at all and it feels like the car shoots out of a rocket on exits. Its still a bit hard to judge when you can floor the power but I feel more comfortable with it every lap. I've had a hard time making Q2 in My Team on 90 AI difficulty but now I qualified in second all of a sudden. Thanks.
Hey bud, how was your learning experience? Would you recommend starting on medium then moving to none? Thanks ahead!!
@@mike617 Probably start on medium to get used to accelerating out of corners.
yeah i agree for sure when i was bad i used full traction but when time passed i switched to medium traction and now i play with traction control off
Let‘s go!
Can't wait to the TC off tutorial!. Thought I don't use any assists right now but I know that I'm still rubish at accelaration, it feels like I am the 'Traction Control' always lose a lot at the accelaration. Afraid of spinning too much. Still don't have that AHA! moment for accelaration confidently.
Could u make a video about the Setups ? like in the beginning in the video just some tips that don't change the whole car feeling
Yes!:)
Congrats for 25k followers Marcel!
Thank you!:)
5:41 yes, he is Alvaro Carreton. The word "padre" (literally "father") has been used a lot recently in the spanish f1 community to say that someone is a chad or a madlad. That is why the replies in Fernando Alonso's tweets are full of people saying "padre", or "Padronso".
I don't play with TC enabled, but I think that the major advantage of having it enabled would be to drive with a much lower rear wing, so in my opinion a comparison with the same setup might be a bit misleading because in "real life" the TC setup would always be much different than the non-TC one...
Using no traction control makes me do a perfect Mazepin impression
After booking my car into every single wall on Monaco I can now drive like Aryton Senna. Thank you sir.
4:54 I felt that
Danke marcel für dein krassen content in den letzten Tagen danke❤
Gerne doch:)
Love this Marcel. I might have to take the plunge but very worried about crashing!
I believe in you 👊❤️
@@MarcelKiefer you sir, are a legend. Would love to see you go through your preferred wheel base settings in a vid? 🙏🏾🥂
You all must go up with your force- feedback on 150 and you will feeling when u must go speed or braking so tractioncontroll is not limiting u while u can feeling when u go too much speed.
And every corner u must must switch 4th gear and the tractioncontroll doesn't work my friends. That is a bit stronger than he demonstrates
I love the feeling and the sounds when it comes together
Super Video wieder. Gespannt aufs nächste schon. Ich fände es mal super, wenn du mit irgendeinem Programm mal die Telemetry Daten aufnimmst und die hochlädst, damit man vergleichen kann, wo man selber vielleicht zufrüh / zuspät aufs Gas geht und Zeit verliert. (z.B. PXG F1 Telemetry ist Kostenlos und für jeden verfügbar somit)
Muss ich mal schauen auch in wiefern ich das darf vom Team aus:)
In the carrer mode im driving without TC, because its more fun and you can just rewind if u spin. Since 2 weeks I started online and ligue racing. There im driving mostly with medium tc, because over a 50% race without tc i most likely spin 1 or 2 times and would ruin my whole race. Tyring to minimise my mistakes so that I can drive without tc in the future
You will master it 🤝
@@MarcelKiefer I need more of ur trackguide and setup videos. Helped me in mexico big time
I don't use TC, but I'm still interested. That everybody, is when you know that this is good content.
Thank you:)
just a reminder that back in F1 2019, real F1 drivers played the game _with_ traction control because it felt more like the real cars.
and now, people complain that it's somehow slower. makes perfect sense, have fun sitting in the gravel traps.
Hey Marcel, i would like to see a Video where u are Following the Line From F1 Assists and show us how much time u gain on ur /the right line.
Check this out :) ua-cam.com/video/0te8quamxLE/v-deo.html
One day I want to compete in F1 Esports I don't a steering wheel and stuff but love the videos ❤
You will get there!
@@MarcelKiefer thanks for the motivation
Deine videos sind mega und helfen anfängern wie mir wirklich sehr danke Marcel super Typ
Mega freut mich :)
Love all the vids, i got a question about tyre wear tho... like what factors affect that the front tyres degrade more than the rear.. is there smth u can change in the set up? Or is it just that i lock up to much xD
Yes! Will do that! :)
@@MarcelKiefer simply lovely ;)
@@11bfh111 I’ve learned that lowering pressures increase the wear on the tires. So I start with all pressures half way and then do a few laps. Any tires that have lower wear, I lower those tires pressures and do more laps until all tire wears are even
Another nice video! 🙂
I think it's not only the less rotation that you get with TC ON, but I'm almost certain that the TC system is playing it safe and reduces the power more than it's required thus massively limiting the acceleration, especially out of slow corners when it has to kick in more.
Definitely!
Great work Marcel! I've actually changed from Full TC to Medium TC within a few days as I race for a small league.
One question I do have though... Maybe you can cover it? What difference, if at all, does the wheel and pedals do? I.E I have a Logitech Setup, G29. Would, investing in a Fanatec setup actually make me faster?...
Cheers!
It gives you way more feedback honestly! Over time it would make you a better driver and it‘s just nicer tbh:D but you can be insanely fast also on a G29:)
@@MarcelKiefer thanks for the response! I think it’s because the fanatecs are quite the investment, I’m curious on it. Might start saving up!
No, but will make you more aware (so more easy to improve your drive, probably) an would make driving way more fun.. cause g29 really is rubbish… I had one and I upgraded to the Fanatec CSL DD.. no comparison… I strongly suggest to get proprer pedals too (DC simracing DC2 for example).
great tips! now i can spin in every corner with my keyboard!
4:58 gut nachgemacht😂
Tolles Video.👍
😂😂
Thank you for the informational content, it’s helpful to hear an expert explain the deeper knowledge of quickness. I have one thing which wonders me greatly though. I have been learning to drive using manual gearbox without TC for some weeks and I have reached a relatively good level of driving without these assists (only assist I use is corners only racing line for braking points, nevertheless I am still only managing a 1.26.8 on silver stone TT on ps4. And Xbox as well, is this the case or where can the improvement from 1.26.8 to 1.25.8 be found. If anyone has any info or potential answers I’d love to hear them thank you.
Will do a general mistakes video soon:)
I’m loving this series. Do u think u can do a vid of understanding how to make a setup??
Yes of course:)
You can definitely spin with both full and medium traction control.
Yes next video please! and then in particular corner one of Bahrein. Getting usefull info from your videos man and it helped me improve💪 deffintly getting better without tc
Awesome to hear 🤝
New to F1 games but this is the last assist I’m having trouble with. I have everything off but medium traction. When I take it off I spin at some point in my medium races.
its all about getting used to slowly accelerating and learning how the car behaves. Also when coming out of a slow corner try to early shift up to 3 or 4
Will upload a tips and tricks/tutorial video tomorrow!
I made the switch recently and I imagine there is a egg under my gas peddle that I’m trying not to crush coming out of corners. That helped me a lot with being lighter on the throttle
great video Marcel, I'm learning a lot from you, keep it up
❤️🙏
The main thing about racing is to understand whats wrong and whats right --
Marcel Kiefer 2022
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I find these comparisons a bit missleading because you can't drive the same way when you have TC on or OFF. With medium TC you still can apply enough throttle to spin but the car will do it in a more controlled way. I mostly do time trial aiming at top 5-10% in the rankings in each track and I usually can get the same times with TC off and TC medium after a few laps. My advice is if you are very inconsistent or you are learning a new track, use the TC on medium. Turn it off when you start to do 4-5 laps without mistakes.
I started with traction control then I stopped using traction control because of videos like this but then I found out actually you should be using traction control so now I use it again and am faster. They literally use traction control in real life. I encourage everyone you just found this video and thought it was a great stroke of luck to look into why actually you should use traction control
OMG, that's why dude. I'm new to F1 22 right, and I wanted to learn the game at first, but now I've turned of the racing line, braking and steering assist, but I still feel limited, mainly the car being slow and sounding weird after corners. I'm for sure turning off traction control. That will most definitely improve my driving I think. In my mind I thought traction control was some sort of grip cheat ish that had no effect on performance. And no I don't drive in real life so all this is new to me.
New to F1 in general, never touched a F1 game before. Playing with TV Pod though, might switch to cabin once I'm comfortable with the cars.
Hey! It would be very useful if you do a video like this speaking about ABS assist. Thanks!
Will do:)
"you can hear it it's like eeeeeEEEEHHHH it's not EEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHH it's like eeeeeeEEEEEEHHH it's vibrating"
-Marcel Kiefer, 2022
A 1:27.520 on full TC
Versus my best on zero TC: 1:27.743
This made me realise how shit I really am without any traction controll, tempted to go back to using medium traction controll, because I'm atrociously bad at throttle management
I'm on a wheel as well which I've been using since August of 2021 to get more in-depth with driving, what can I possibly do to overcome the throttle management issues?
Same. I've used no tc for months n only get 1:27:7
I’m not saying That TC is better than No TC as we know it is better without. However, in this video he upshifts super early in every corner with TC versus medium or No TC, therefore the lap time is going to be better.
For all the Fanatec users out there, get yourself a throttle damper! Night and day difference. I was dependent on TC until last night.... When I finally installed my damper and wow! Instantly driving with no more assists! (I only had TC left to wean anyway)
Das 90-100% Diff macht ja so mega viel aus ! Bin sonst immer auf 50-80 gefahren
Danke MK! 🤞🏽✔️
If you are begginer, start with TC, but after some time try to lower it to medium and at the end turn it off.
I am driving with a Keyboard an I only use Medium TC because of Speed Advantages! 🙂
If I had Wheel and Pedals I wouldn't use any Assists at All!
That‘s even impressive! I can‘t drive without assists on keyboard either 😂
@@MarcelKiefer I tried F1 2021 in Jeddah as my First Attempt of a Race in the Game and Holy Moly It was Hard 😅
Great Video. Would love to see a video on how to set up your car in the wet and how to drive in the wet.
Will do!:)
honestly, since i used notc my times have gotten way better it takes practice because i used to spin out all day because of it but now im able to control throttle inputs. Something i still struggle with is abs
MK: nobody uses brake bias at 50
TRL Limitless: ...
I'm a controller user so medium TC was always fitting for me.. the only time I ran with full TC was the bullshit 2014 game
could u compare abs and no abs
I use no abs and I want to know if im losing lap time not using it
no abs is technically slightly faster if you do it perfect every time, but if you mess it up you lose so much time. imo turning abs isnt worth it unless you have to in a league ofc
Will do, I think ABS is faster!
btw 25k congratulations!!
Thank you:)
your game looks entirely different to mine, are you using low gfx or something specific to help get a clearer picture?
Love this video Thanks for posting. Think you could do one on Race starts? I’m having a hard time on F1 2021 to get off line good. 2020 I was good but this year I lose two to four spots a race.
Cooles Video. Sehr interessant zu sehen wie viel langsamer TC ist. Habe das selber noch nie ausprobiert.
Thank you, these vids are very helpful
Glad to hear :)
ahhhh tks marcel, can u do a video explaining how to do your own setup? plsss 👊
Yes!
Thx!!! 🤩🤩🤩
Please do a video about ABS. Btw, lovely video and keep up the good work Marcel!
Will do!:)
Kannst du wenn du die Zeit findest mal ein Video machen wo du deine Lenkrad Einstellungen zeigst und warum du sie so hast?
I drove on full tc all the time but after seeing the video i just turned it off completele wich gave me trouble for a couple of days to get used to but now i am like 1.5-2 sec faster on a lap and finally beat my friend in quali on our 2 player career mode
Just started using it and i had a 20 sec advantage Amazing!
I'm using a controller, and it's not too bad with the traction control medium, but sometimes, if it spins, if you force it too much after a corner. I not sure about traction control off?
I do have a gaming steering wheel, but I need a better table.
Awesome, I always play with no TC, but since now i use a controller, i am using TC for now
Its unreal how much TC slows you haha,i've tried with medium first went down near 5 tents faster in first lap and until i've got hang off it fully went down -1 point smth which was awesome,i've tried with fully off but i have difficulties adjusting with throttle pressure on controller i feel like if i had steering wheel(which i plan to buy soon T300 RS)i'd have better perception on how much i should tap it based on real life experience but it seems more fun indeed 😁
Hi good information video , I am new to playing f1 so good video to watch thanks do you have a video to play f1 21 with manual gears ?
great review, I am a typical put game in the playstation and drive what's in front of me kinda player so now will give tweaking the settings around a little to begin with.
cheers again 😉👍
Woody
Thanks for making that video
Thanks for watching it!
Machst du auch noch ein Video für ABS vs kein ABS?
P.S. Mach weiter so schaue mir deine Videos echt gerne an 👍
Mache ich Dominik :) 🙏
Ich wünschte bei mir würde das genauso aussehen. Ich glaube dieses Trailbreaking ist einfach zu hart für mich auf Controller, würde so gern mal ein gutes Lenkrad testen, aber da mehrere Tausend für ein komplettes Setup auszugeben, nur um dann festzustellen, dass es nichts für mich ist, ist dann auch suboptimal ^^
Kannst für 350€ richtig solides Equipment bekommen:)
@@MarcelKiefer auch mit so nem Liegesitz? Ich hab mir mal ein gebrauchtes gekauft, total fail, ohne Force Feedback uralt, von Thrustmaster, das Ferrari Spider, da hat mich unglaublich gestört, dass ich die Pedale nicht befestigen konnte und die Sensitivität des Lenkrads war viel zu hoch und konnte nicht verringert werden. Liegesitz will ich deswegen, weil ich sonst keine geile Lösung sehe, die Pedale fest zu kriegen. Das muss bombenfest sein, sonst lässt sich ja auch kein Gefühl aufbauen. Was würdest du denn empfehlen in Sachen Equipment, wenn du sagst für 350?
Das wäre actually auch ne solide Videoidee :D
Me with traction control: Lewy Hamilton
Me with no traction control: Mazespin
I would like to know how big the influence is if you turn the automatic gearbox on. I think with automatic gearbox, the advantage of turning traction control of is lower.
you only lose some tenths with automatic but with full TC compared to No TC you lose 1,5 secs!!
My issue is my wheel/pedals. I don’t have any feedback into the pedals so I cannot feel the threshold. I can hardly give any pedal at all and will still spin out. It’s like all or nothing on the pedals and I just cannot afford to dish out over a grand for good wheel/pedal set
Personally, I play seriously but not too seriously, because I mainly want to have fun
So a minimum of TC and ABS I always put in.
Is this the camera setting, that you have in the Camera Setting Video at the start before trying out different Settings
Yes, but I‘m always playing around trying to optimize them a tiny bit more:)
You are with High, medium and off traction control changing gears not in this same method. Like in Hight Traction Control you having 7 gear longer and on medium traction control you not hold on 7 gear and with off traction control on corner you changing from 3 to 4/5 and then doing throotle. So this times can be better with traction controls when you will drive on this same gears changings like in traction control off.
Cheers Marcel turned it off and crashed into every wall in the game 😂😂😭
Meanwhile there’s me, with tc off I usually loosing seconds
Without TC I feel like the car is on ice in the slow speed. Medium is helping me learn.
One step backwards, two steps forwards - whatever is needed for progress 🙏
@@MarcelKiefer Thank you for you words of wisdom Marcel. I don’t even know how I can be fast with no TC.
its simple. F1 Cars have been made to work without traction control, thus making it faster without it. Other cars made with traction control should perform faster with TC enabled.
toffe vid man echt een legend ben jij
Will you do career mode videos?
Yes!:)
But at the start of the race going straight it stays at gear 1 for soo long and staying at 13000RPM which makes me spin even with traction control on full just crazy
TC isn't about slamming the throttle to 100% and letting the game save you though, you still try to drive with the same throttle inputs as without, it's just a safety net for consistency for those who can't consistently apply smooth throttle inputs.
What was the break differential you had again please ☺️
I havent used TC for a while and have been a non tc user ever since I got a wheel but when I went back to tc I thought it would just be 2 or 3 tenths slower but as soon as I put the power down it resisted so much for some reason
Good to know, my question about it, how to master the exist without spin using max rotation ? and also off subject, how to properly brake without lock a wheel ?
That was fun... I'll try this on mobile game
I struggle in the low speed corners it's difficult to gain back your speed .
Doesn't TC only kick in when you're in a wheel spin. If you drove the car as if you had no TC even tho you had it on. Would the times be similar?