RACE CAR v SUPER CAR..950HP IMPREZA WRX STI v 840HP 911 TURBO S

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  • @officially_gassed
    @officially_gassed  Рік тому +28

    ENDS TONIGHT 10PM!! WIN THE MEGANE HERE!! ONLY 49P TO ENTER!.. SOMEONE IS GUARANTEED TO WIN THE MEGANE AND GOLF R!!! - bit.ly/43sECrg

    • @rehanali-hy9tk
      @rehanali-hy9tk Рік тому

      Hey man Im not a UK resident is it fine Can I enter ?

  • @Scoobywrx2005
    @Scoobywrx2005 Рік тому +482

    Not many cars can make a porsche look like they are in eco mode. Shows how quick they are when Jamie was surprised it left with him. Amazing race lads 👏

    • @commantrosexetlos4700
      @commantrosexetlos4700 Рік тому +3

      All tuned cars at that level will kill any 992 turbo s..turbos s is the king of mid level tuned cars...the real beast are running 260mph in half mile..no porsche is even near

    • @Gabethemosthated
      @Gabethemosthated Рік тому +4

      Jamie’s 1200 hp Porsche would leave this 😂

    • @Scoobywrx2005
      @Scoobywrx2005 Рік тому +5

      @Gabethemosthated and a 1400 bhp would leave Jamie's, what's your point? There will always be someone or something faster

    • @Gabethemosthated
      @Gabethemosthated Рік тому +2

      @@Scoobywrx2005except it wouldn’t 😂 I don’t get what’s impressive about a fully modded an gutted race car with 100 hp more beating a tuned 911, an some races he barely beat him by a car length, this guy runs mid to high 9s on prepped surfaces there’s Porsches running 7s, meanwhile the 911 even modified can still go around a track easily while this is just a one dimensional straight line car 😂

    • @Scoobywrx2005
      @Scoobywrx2005 Рік тому

      @@Gabethemosthated 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @motlatsikhomari7254
    @motlatsikhomari7254 Рік тому +300

    Any car that makes the 911 turbo s look slow is just insane

  • @paulm114
    @paulm114 Рік тому +74

    That Impreza is mental the way it rifles through those gears. Epic build!

  • @kickinitwidqlitzz
    @kickinitwidqlitzz Рік тому +260

    Weight to power ratio + drivetrain is so insane

    • @spookyreaper1702
      @spookyreaper1702 Рік тому +4

      I think the Porsche would need 1300hp to keep up with that 😳it’s so fast

    • @michaelmorley7678
      @michaelmorley7678 Рік тому +1

      probably a 1000lbs difference

    • @sliwka621
      @sliwka621 Рік тому

      Weight literally makes no difference. Look at the leader board and cars with similar power are as fast or faster 100 - 200.

    • @spookyreaper1702
      @spookyreaper1702 Рік тому +9

      @@sliwka621 whatever drugs you took I want it ❤️take a 1000hp rs3 vs a 1000hp rs6 and the 3 will run circles around it.

    • @saleshsingh6342
      @saleshsingh6342 Рік тому

      @@sliwka621 The quoted power figures are seldom accurate.

  • @RyanBAMG
    @RyanBAMG Рік тому +310

    When Jamie’s Integra is at the 1200hp level, I’d like to see this Scooby against that 😎

    • @rosshampson366
      @rosshampson366 Рік тому +51

      Scooby would blitz that. Its an 8sec car

    • @css172
      @css172 Рік тому +13

      Now that's a race I want to see!

    • @kevinespinal7766
      @kevinespinal7766 Рік тому +22

      ⁠@@rosshampson366 Jamie is near running 9s with only 700 bhp. With 1200 he will mop the floor with that scooby

    • @rosshampson366
      @rosshampson366 Рік тому +17

      @@kevinespinal7766 hahaha that car did a 9.97 once and cant break 9s now hence the power up. With 1000bhp it should do low 9s depends how it puts power down.
      Andys is built for 8.5s 1/4s or lower.
      Think youll be surprised mate what the Teg will get with extra power. Its how it gets put down he will struggle more than u think

    • @MrSuperG
      @MrSuperG Рік тому +7

      That sti is cool

  • @belly0156
    @belly0156 Рік тому +263

    Just dropped a 9.88 on an unprepped surface and reacted like he’d ran high 13’s 😂

    • @meCmoni
      @meCmoni Рік тому +6

      He’s comparing it with his Integra that’s why. And he wants/expects it to be much faster.

    • @shangtakashi8089
      @shangtakashi8089 Рік тому +1

      i legit thought he got a high 12 😂

    • @SeanSer
      @SeanSer Рік тому +2

      Exactly this 😂 he’s on a unprepped surface + shitty pirreli tires. It has a easy 9.5 1/4 mile in it with some semi slicks on that unprepped runway

  • @TheGCJourney
    @TheGCJourney 10 місяців тому +5

    I could not stop smiling this whole video! As a GC8 owner this was even more satisfying of course. Thank you for this! ❤

  • @Teezla11
    @Teezla11 Рік тому +49

    Makes the Porsche look slow, oh my days😂🔥

  • @rosshampson366
    @rosshampson366 Рік тому +11

    I know Andy and this car very well.
    This Vid shows just how crazy the build is. The engine machine work from Steve Guirey, the engine assembly by Andy himself, and the mapping from A Forrest... next level.
    Best bit is........ the cars built to go round Corners 👌😂👍👍👍
    8sec car in a line and lap records... not a bad combo 🤘

  • @CineeK911
    @CineeK911 Рік тому +29

    It's not only the car that won, Andy is an absolute legend.
    Under 10s 1/4 with a tune and exhaust, that only shows how capable these cars are. Yet can be used daily and it looks gorgeous

    • @hararaist
      @hararaist Рік тому +1

      how much do they cost tho

  • @VaneNaumovski
    @VaneNaumovski Рік тому +8

    “Brought a knife to a gunfight”, pretty much sums it up. That Subaru is no joke, really really impressive. The 911 is no slouch either, with just a tune and an exhaust to be running those times, sheesh.. another great video Jamie, as always.

  • @cussco
    @cussco Рік тому +80

    Andy is legendary Scoobie tuner

    • @MIK23458
      @MIK23458 Рік тому +9

      Andy Forrest that is.

    • @cussco
      @cussco Рік тому +2

      @@MIK23458 yep

    • @upurkilt7246
      @upurkilt7246 Рік тому +3

      Definitely he is a wizard on the road mapping😆

    • @briantran8703
      @briantran8703 Рік тому

      He is master 👍🏼

    • @PeeweeGames
      @PeeweeGames Рік тому

      My dad had a 450hp Turbo 2000 tuned by him back in 2004-2008, absolute legend in the scene!

  • @aa-ml6ur
    @aa-ml6ur Рік тому +135

    the weight difference is almost 700kg and yet the turbo S still managed to keep up with the Subaru for a while :o

    • @KingOfForest22
      @KingOfForest22 Рік тому +20

      Subbie took some time to hit peak boost / torque, 911 had it from the start of the roll.

    • @rosshampson366
      @rosshampson366 Рік тому +5

      ​​@@KingOfForest22o the car just couldnt find traction. Full boost is at 3200rpm

    • @cbx01
      @cbx01 Рік тому +1

      @@rosshampson366full boost on the porsche is probs less than that still it’s twins

    • @PendingEvolution
      @PendingEvolution Рік тому +1

      Also remmeber gear box difference changes a lot !!

    • @SuperSlowSTI10
      @SuperSlowSTI10 Рік тому +26

      where exactly did it keep up lol

  • @David-xc4us
    @David-xc4us Рік тому +63

    Would love to see what time that Impreza would have done on a flat out quarter mile, low 9’s?….epic build 🤘

    • @tonydixon2684
      @tonydixon2684 Рік тому +3

      Easily I would of thought

    • @valiantdiesel1332
      @valiantdiesel1332 Рік тому +11

      Low 9s on this surface for sure, prepped surface I'd say high 8s

    • @kabardink
      @kabardink Рік тому +6

      8.7 quarter mile.

    • @adamrowe555
      @adamrowe555 Рік тому +6

      It's run a 9.1 with less power at pod a couple of years back. 👍

    • @otrz8009
      @otrz8009 Рік тому

      9.3 I reckon.

  • @taummoloki3076
    @taummoloki3076 Рік тому +45

    Please do a SUBARU generation battle🔥🔥 much love from Tanzania,Africa 🇹🇿🇹🇿

    • @Df-li9mp
      @Df-li9mp Рік тому +3

      This isn’t carwow

    • @taummoloki3076
      @taummoloki3076 Рік тому

      @@Df-li9mp voetsek!!

    • @ZeroChiller
      @ZeroChiller Рік тому +3

      You really had to mention Tanzania is in Africa🥴

    • @Df-li9mp
      @Df-li9mp Рік тому

      @@taummoloki3076😂

  • @hristohristov8787
    @hristohristov8787 Рік тому +2

    Jamie it was a pleasure to meet you up today and have a chat with you at the CCD event. You are such a down to earth person, keep up the good work 👏

  • @R1AN335d
    @R1AN335d Рік тому +3

    Andy Forrest’s own Impreza holds a world record of 7.7 on the quarter mile, uses an SVX engine which I believe was a 3.3 litre boxer 6, was around 1050 bhp but no weight at all, nothing could touch it, his 7.7 is on you tube. 💨💥

  • @teamphashash
    @teamphashash Рік тому +4

    Jamie joined us viewers and had front row seat to the subaru show!
    ...man I love that you putting your own cars on the battles and not just playing 'match maker'.

  • @ashtonworth6288
    @ashtonworth6288 Рік тому +8

    That Scoobie takes fast to a whole new level. Perhaps once the integra is fully built this could be a race for the future.

  • @12345678939218
    @12345678939218 Рік тому +6

    That Subaru makes the turbo S looks slow and all we know that is a weapon. That says a lot, amazing.

  • @2010-b8w
    @2010-b8w Рік тому +13

    Just what we needed on a Sunday morning

  • @GamingGuyTy429
    @GamingGuyTy429 Рік тому +43

    That Subbie is disgusting 😳😱🔥🔥

  • @anthonyraine1667
    @anthonyraine1667 Рік тому +34

    When your sat wondering what content Jamie is gonna put out next and the answer is another banger!! 🤟😎

  • @aa-ml6ur
    @aa-ml6ur Рік тому +1

    13:18 this dude is doing human traction control with his foot. what a driver!

  • @deanmathers4483
    @deanmathers4483 Рік тому +9

    😂😂 Jamie has time to look over and check the times whilst Andy in the scooby is putting his life just into hanging on 😂😂 brilliant content OG ❤❤

  • @Vinnievxr666
    @Vinnievxr666 Рік тому +7

    Absolute mental race between both cars but that Subaru is mental well done guys 👏🏼👏🏼

  • @therallycarspotter
    @therallycarspotter Рік тому +5

    That subaru is raaaaapid !! 😬🔥🔥

  • @clutchkickpj693
    @clutchkickpj693 Рік тому +5

    This has to be one of the best episodes yet. That lil suby is an ABSOLUTE WEAPON!

  • @SubieFrancis
    @SubieFrancis Рік тому +8

    I don't blame him at all for not running the 1/4 mile. I'm assuming he took off his wing for this too? Dusty/bumpy ground, semi slicks, high speeds, must be crazy sketchy. That is the dream scooby man. Now I've got a goal for my hawkeye 😂

    • @_Professor_Oak
      @_Professor_Oak Рік тому +4

      I know right, that dusty/bumpy runway must be scary to run on with a stiff/light car. They'd get better times going down a bypass in mexico.

    • @SubieFrancis
      @SubieFrancis Рік тому

      @@_Professor_Oak Yup, a Mexico bypass would be perfect. I thought maybe a proper prepped drag strip at first but I doubt the scoob will survive a single launch on prepped surface 😂😂

    • @robb5828
      @robb5828 Рік тому

      No,that is hardly a car anymore,keep yours intact ;)

  • @kingjamesiii3762
    @kingjamesiii3762 Рік тому +1

    When you transmission is louder than your exhaust, it's officially a race car! The sti is magnificent, especially the rear bumper delete and one:one ratio!

  • @subaru_cy
    @subaru_cy 9 місяців тому +1

    This is how properly built subaru look like !🎉

  • @Tony_K20_EJ2
    @Tony_K20_EJ2 Рік тому +6

    That scooby is a madness 👌🏼 but the Porsche tho 😍

  • @darx3351
    @darx3351 9 місяців тому +2

    I just rewatched it and realized that the subie was faster 100 to 200 than a 1200hp 911 aswell😵‍💫

  • @gob7116
    @gob7116 Рік тому +1

    Sorry but after seeing an STi with those stats, it was unquestionable. Car’s got Subaru AWD, DCCD and almost 1k bhp. What’s even more insane that it weighs less than 1 ton. The car has a higher bhp/ton ratio than the bhp it actually puts out. That is absolutely crazy.
    Car is probably one of the fastest in the world that’s not a full out drag car. GC chassis for even lighter weight and to have less stock electronics to mess the build. Damn

  • @Elim_84
    @Elim_84 Рік тому +4

    I fully understand Andy's reluctance to run the quarter, it's his race car and when it doesn't feel right, trust your gut, BUT I'd have loved to have seen what time it would have finished with considering he went 3rd while coasting 🤯

  • @burteddy
    @burteddy Рік тому +1

    I swore you scream “Monica!” As he flew off

  • @craighill1164
    @craighill1164 Рік тому +7

    That Subaru is next level, I think any car involved with Andy Forrest is going to be a monster 😵‍💫

    • @colthall
      @colthall Рік тому +5

      100% imagine AF old Subaru on here 😂 would clean up anything

    • @craighill1164
      @craighill1164 Рік тому +2

      @@colthall agreed mate or even the Westfield he’s built

    • @deepee21104
      @deepee21104 Рік тому

      @@craighill1164 that would be interesting........watched him last weekend trying for 47 secs round knockhill in a radical........not standard.........ballistic............

  • @toyotaturbo504
    @toyotaturbo504 Рік тому +4

    That Subaru is something else
    Just to think AFP old 3l Twin turbo Subaru was probably quicker than this too on the straights 😂 unbelievable and love the 2.1l going to work

  • @hawkeyestiguy
    @hawkeyestiguy 4 місяці тому

    As a Subaru guy, I'd still take the Porsche all day long. Respect to the build, but that 911 has all the looks & the power to match...

  • @Bmsocietys54b32
    @Bmsocietys54b32 Рік тому +1

    Affi gtr is always beast in awd manual gearbox🔥

  • @percyb1990
    @percyb1990 Рік тому +1

    As soon as I see the scoob was mapped by Andy it was game over, bloke is a wizard!! He’s got some pretty special cars he’s built that would decimate all!!

  • @mattm9
    @mattm9 Рік тому +7

    Race him again when you have your 1200hp integra

  • @anthonyraine1667
    @anthonyraine1667 Рік тому +7

    Gonna need to do a rematch when the 911 is finished! 👀👀

  • @leedave9314
    @leedave9314 Рік тому +1

    Been following Andy on Facebook for a couple years now insane knowledge and skills he has, his Westfield or whatever it is the V8 twin turbo thing is beyond mental

  • @wakeawaken430
    @wakeawaken430 Рік тому +1

    10:00 is what you are looking for

  • @DanielBroadbent-nm6rg
    @DanielBroadbent-nm6rg Рік тому +2

    That scoobi is just fire , every now then you come across a build like this that works at this level , spectacular to watch can’t imagine what it would be like to drive 🤤

  • @Jockyboy91
    @Jockyboy91 Рік тому +1

    Andy Forrest is the man, you should get his Westfield on the channel 😅

  • @SeekYHWHsface
    @SeekYHWHsface Рік тому +1

    Finally, put that subs with a evo please, gotta put them in their places

  • @rogierbernardina1178
    @rogierbernardina1178 Рік тому +1

    Seriously looks like your car is in hybridmode bruh...that thing is fastttt wauw

  • @adamkhater3876
    @adamkhater3876 Рік тому +1

    like a formella 1 nice work !!!!!!!!!!!! 😨😨😨😨
    you cant drive this in street if you make it for roads hell nah nice vedio brother ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @MrMikeyc10
    @MrMikeyc10 Рік тому +1

    2.33 s for an impreza to 60. Truely remarkable set up.

  • @lachyaplin5198
    @lachyaplin5198 Рік тому +1

    Affi still being in third for AWD manual 0-60 shows how insanley well that man drives his GTR

  • @irulefaison3942
    @irulefaison3942 Рік тому +2

    Honestly Kudos to Porsche for creating such an engineering masterpiece to be able to keep up with a fully built Time Attack race car even with a small tune.

  • @ElRayDelRio
    @ElRayDelRio Рік тому +3

    Scooby gods were paying attention for sure 👏🏽💯

  • @Kai834
    @Kai834 Рік тому +1

    My uncle Andy doing the business! 💨

  • @LeeM74
    @LeeM74 Рік тому +4

    Another epic race, but you have to appreciate how perfect the 911 is. That would be my ideal spec. 👌

  • @TheCluelessEnthusiast
    @TheCluelessEnthusiast Рік тому +2

    That subaru is insane. Once it's moving it makes the porsche look slow. And that porsche is no joke

  • @shanegarside3399
    @shanegarside3399 Рік тому +6

    Another Legendary battle between two epic tuner car's. Total respect to all involved in building the Subaru. A true track masterpiece 👌.

    • @markfox1545
      @markfox1545 Рік тому

      Apostrophe in plural? Really? Stupid is not attractive.

  • @marcvickybarthelemy951
    @marcvickybarthelemy951 Рік тому

    LEGENDARY!!!! Keep it up Jamie!!!!!! This is what we need to see unbiased race and opinions

  • @eoink8219
    @eoink8219 Рік тому +1

    I got to hand it to you Jamie you put tons of thought into your episodes to keep it really interesting. When the power to weight ratios came up I really felt you had your work cut out. But the 992 911 Turbo S’s are insane so I was hoping for the 911 to give a gaporoni to the Scooby ! The 911’s desirability is off the chart so give me the 911 and your one looks epic , stance , wheels and colour ! Perfection mate 👍

  • @tundaslug07
    @tundaslug07 Рік тому +1

    Jamie steady punching above his weight.....I love it

  • @W00LFY100
    @W00LFY100 Рік тому +1

    Reluctantly agrees to 1/8 mile, smokes the Turbo S and drops the 🎤 bravo 👏🏻 hell of a machine and driver

  • @daniel1987davies
    @daniel1987davies Рік тому +1

    So much emotion from that Scubi! Sick video bro

  • @jackwatson5400
    @jackwatson5400 Рік тому +1

    Andy Forrest is a legend and the best in the business when it comes to scooby tuning and anything race car related, need to get his v8 Westfield on the show ! That things unbeatable I promise you 😂😂

  • @s7v7nfiv5
    @s7v7nfiv5 Рік тому +1

    9:50 race starts

  • @aroncells3120
    @aroncells3120 Рік тому +1

    That scooby just couldn't get gears fast enough absolutely banging motor

  • @UguisuAnko12
    @UguisuAnko12 Рік тому +1

    Fully built time attack machine that could do a quarter mile? Now that's something!!!

  • @nathanscreene4818
    @nathanscreene4818 Рік тому

    Fair play taking it on Jamie. Knowing your gonna get absolutely piped and you still film it is commendable 🙏

  • @GeoByLuke
    @GeoByLuke Рік тому +1

    Seeing this race in person was NUTS! 💯

  • @1willevans
    @1willevans Рік тому

    Knife to a gun fight says it all really. The development of the 912 is going to be outrageous it has so much potential........
    On the other hand
    🎉🎉Honda time,🎉🎉
    I cannot wait to see what she can do. You must admit that it has to be your most fun car that you have in your pit.
    Through the trials and tribulations Jamie and the HonTegra has got me hooked

  • @denismburu9342
    @denismburu9342 2 місяці тому

    That scoobie just walks on jamie😂😂maad🔥🔥

  • @RobRegan-ty2mk
    @RobRegan-ty2mk Рік тому +2

    Fair play to u Jamie bro u give him a race and give it your all, but hands up to Andy his Subaru is just a weapon bro. And to see the both car's going head to head down the drag strip just what a show for us all to watch bro. Keep up with the good work bro from Rob the Welsh boy 👍🖐️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

  • @pianoekket
    @pianoekket Рік тому +1

    Both cars are insane! But the way that Impreza just goes is nuts!

  • @D4VE26
    @D4VE26 Рік тому +1

    Has there been anything on this channel faster than that impreza??

  • @SAVING_ICONIC_MACHINES
    @SAVING_ICONIC_MACHINES Рік тому +3

    What a sick video bro 😎 as always keep up the sick content ❤

  • @RH-jk4ue
    @RH-jk4ue Рік тому +6

    Jamie’s push back into the seat on every roll race for the extra 30bhp cracks me up 😂

  • @chrisflorian4308
    @chrisflorian4308 Рік тому +2

    Awesome race !!! This Subaru is scary fast. Holy smoke.
    Both cars are in their different league amazing. Your Porsche is an amazing car to use it all day, Jamie. The sound of this Turbo S is much much better then original. I love it !!!
    Best regards Chris

  • @aqibmehboob976
    @aqibmehboob976 Рік тому +1

    That suburu is insane!! it's never seem so fun watching a car losing a race Jamie's you legend

  • @daver6555
    @daver6555 Рік тому

    That Porsche is rapid! ❤ Poor surface.. Jamie still pulls a 9.88! Scoobie has power/weight advantage. Savage beast alright! 😮

  • @XiDanChan
    @XiDanChan Рік тому +1

    Impreza making all the right noises so mechanical

  • @daturbo4life711
    @daturbo4life711 Рік тому

    This Channel is constantly proving that when you build a Subaru correctly, they are to be feared! Boxer power!

  • @shiTthebed86
    @shiTthebed86 Рік тому +1

    this scooby is an animal.. need to see more of this.

  • @greglee2657
    @greglee2657 Рік тому +1

    That Scooby is the build on the channel so far. wow!

  • @steynfnstr_photography
    @steynfnstr_photography Рік тому +1

    The fact that you need a car thats 700kg ligther and had 100+ hp extra and looks like a scrap car to beat the nearly stock 911 says enough

  • @mikey3627
    @mikey3627 Рік тому

    Ive paused this after the first race lmao 😂😂😂 the dust cloud was brilliant 😂

  • @ThunderChunky101
    @ThunderChunky101 Рік тому +2

    That's the perfect Impreza. Had to be what everyone watching dreams of owning right?

  • @deehitem
    @deehitem Рік тому +1

    Love my Hawkeye

  • @samuelbartle7136
    @samuelbartle7136 Рік тому +1

    That was epic mad that he rolled over the quarter in 3rd 😂 yeah I agree Jamie that Porsche takes something to embarrass it that Impreza is quick 😮

  • @kwboost
    @kwboost Рік тому +1

    Excellent job. This is quickly becoming my favorite motorsports channel. Keep up the great work.

  • @doitwithproperstyle
    @doitwithproperstyle Рік тому

    It's crazy because I was thinking about which car I would prefer before you asked the question. If I could only have one, it would have to be the Porsche because it can do the race car stuff and still be comfortable and practical for daily use. Not sure how many ladies would be excited to be picked up for a date in a stripped out race car with no AC (it's sweltering hot here). She'd be a keeper if she is though 😂

  • @bo2635
    @bo2635 Рік тому

    The excitement in the race even taking an L made me lmao I love it!

  • @Carl-ud3zs
    @Carl-ud3zs Рік тому +1

    On the roll I'll put my house on it 😂 love this guy. Great video guys 👍

  • @ErsinCetinkaya19777
    @ErsinCetinkaya19777 Рік тому

    Prep your Integra mate… That subi is at another level but I do believe that you can beat him once you set up the Integra. 💪💪💪
    For ES Motors: Yıllardır takip ediyorum sizi. Muhteşem işler çıkartıyorsunuz. 🙏 👏

  • @adrianjarvis129
    @adrianjarvis129 Рік тому +1

    When u get a gapping like that in a 911 you know that scooby is a rocket.and can't believe the teg as been knocked off top sport

  • @irishrc2816
    @irishrc2816 Рік тому

    Came here after seeing you on CarWOW, Impressive stuff Jamie, Love it !

  • @owenscallum4565
    @owenscallum4565 Рік тому +2

    That scooby is an absolute animal!🔥 but something tells me when your done with the turbos s it will put the scooby in its place 😏

  • @vindevhunta4905
    @vindevhunta4905 11 місяців тому +1

    If you leave a 992 turbo in the dust..then you mean business

  • @cupidstunt4402
    @cupidstunt4402 Рік тому

    Porche for me, for the slight difference in figures the Porche adds a level of civilization to the mix.