People like her, yeah, they want to live a normal life and reach a goal in life. But due to the greed and pride of the people that stops them from having that life. Meanwhile batman had no childhood, barely given the chance to have his life spent with his beloved parents... but we all know in Batman's life and the universes that batmans are, will never let him have a chance.
Let alone a relationship with anyone. Dating was probably impossible since anyone with her would be called a pedophile at first glance. So she is in her 30s, looks 8 years old. Never has a relationship due to her condition. Will never find a partner, and is forever forced to be alone.... poor gal.
It's Gotham city guys itself it was reason why what they done corporations, agency, military, law enforcement, science, Criminals, terror , mafia and everywhere place they responsible for turning them bad guys so now we are the bad guys.
What’s sad is that kids in Hollywood received the same treatment as her. In the show there was a cure for her disease and the show runners kept it from her so she can continue playing the role. The child actors are made to take drugs to slow their growth so they can act as a kid for longer. Like delaying their puberty. They are then discarded for younger and newer actors.
@@Foster-t8kI dont think so, but... I think it's more important to judge the character of Hollywood execs. I belive this is something they would do, if they could. As for the replacement part, that 100% happens.
@@An_Average_Arsonistas to the legitmiacy of Hollywood using it for child actor purposes, i cant speak to that, but drugs that delay puberty absolutely exist. Its most commonly used for pre pubescents who show strong signs of transgenderism as a stopgap before making the decision to go full transition. Puberty resumes normally once they stop taking the drug so if it is just a childs flight of fancy they can resume regular development.
@@An_Average_ArsonistNo, it's true. Burt Ward, the actor who played Robin in the 60s Batman show was asked to take Saltpeter pills to slow his puberty. Opera companies would buy castrated boys so their voices would always be high. The wealthy have always preyed on children
@@PrivateCTO One thing I'm curious about, but haven't been able to find an answer for. If a child were to take blockers all the time till they were 18 (probably 100% a hypothetical, though I'm still curious) would it stunt some aspects of their development if they stopped?/gen. I'm just curious how potent it would be over time. Sorry if this is a dumb question, I might need to do more research on this.
When she yelled at Batman "Why couldn't you just let me make believe?!" I legit cried, the voice actress did an amazing job putting heart into that line
@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853Adults make believe all the time, just in different ways. If you don't make up reasons to be happy, you fall into apathy or nihilism - you have to be able to create meaning, otherwise all you're left with is reality. Reality is indifferent to your struggles, your successes, your journey - you have to make believe to find lasting joy in life.
That is the exact quote I was thinking of! I love these moments that emphasize Batman's human side, the side that understands that a person's darkest moments can come from incredible pain and not every single villain needs to be stopped with a solid thrashing.
Baby doll has to be one of the most underrated villains in this series. She like mr. Freeze weren't trying to take over the world or trying to change the world. They simply were trying to fight to have that normal life. Mr. Freeze just wanted the woman that he loved back. Baby doll couldn't have a happy adult life that she wanted, so she wanted to go back to the childhood that she felt love in
They said the inspiration for BTAS was the Tim Burton movies... I remember the backstory of Penguin from Batman Returns and... JEESH, they went above and beyond.
I love the way the show handled it. It gave those characters empathy but at the same time they have repercussions for their actions against innocent people
I love this Batman. He doesn’t attack her, he doesn’t yell at her, he lets her attack the mirrors so she’ll let her anger out which is what she needed. Truly the Batman we need.
I think Baby Doll had it the worse in tragic villains. All she wanted was to be normal, but circumstances wouldn't allow it. No wonder she snapped. Any normal person would. 😢🎉
Normal people snap or get good. Not every person who is abused becomes an abuser. Otherwise it would be a positive Feedback towards 100%. They usually try to be better. She could have lived a normal life despite her condition. She decided to be a criminal.
@@catdogfishdogcats no, she had the deck stacked against her. How normal could her life be? Always treated like a child, always having to fight to prove you are an adult, and we see in the series that she has the same romantic/adult desires that the average person would have, and how is she supposed to cope with that? The only kind of person she could attract is someone who harbors an attraction to children, because she doesn't have dwarfism: her body looks like a child's body. So tell me with a straight face how she lives a "normal" life?
@@kuno3336not to mention I think they said in the show or the comics that they were able to cure her,but they didn't want to because she was a star. And when the show was finished they left her to rot. She was just used for money
I really love how when she's shooting out the mirrors, Batman is glaring, since she sees him as an enemy, but when she breaks down, he's comforting and sympathetic.
I mean, anyone that went through hell cause of the people that they're surrounded by, uses or treats them like they're nothing. Meanwhile, batman sees the hurt and pain they have endured, he wants to help, even if someone points a gun at him while he holds his hand to offer the real help they need.
She's shattering the perception she has of him and of herself. She needed to see someone DID see her as the adult she actually is, even though she's forced to accept she can't change how she looks.
This show and Batman Beyond (pretty much the entire DCAU to be honest) were ahead of their time with certain subjects. Very well written stories that made sure to have the heroes and villains (safe for a few) be human.
@@Bloodthirst2626 they have aged like fine wine. Cause I watched a bunch of it recently and I think beyond the nostalgia I still think they are great shows
What was messed up was that there was a hormone treatment which could have cured her but the show producers kept it away from her to keep the shows gimick going. It was too late after it was cancelled when she was past her formative years
I had forgotten about this episode, and this just made me realize that the situation between kids and hormones blockers for transgenderism is quite eerily similar and terrifying.
This is why Batman is the best superhero. He has empathy. Other heroes will just kill their opponents but Batman believes in second chances. He doesn't treat villains as killers or psychos but as individuals who lost their ways and he wanted to help them so that they can redeem themselves.
A lot of the heroes appreciate that about him. They just want him to keep them out of their territories because they will be forced to treat them as the threats they are to others rather than the victims they are to themselves. Superman's had to put his foot down with Batman allowing Joker to leave Gotham just to remind him of that. Even Flash, the friendliest of the superheroes, doesn't want to see Joker as anything but a threat.
Indeed. Batman is shown to try and reason with some of his opponents (Baby Doll, Mad Hatter, Lloyd Ventrix), and if one recalls the opening to Batman: The Animated Series, he takes out a group of criminals but leaves them tied up for the police to apprehend.
This reminds me of that girl with a similar disorder and she is in her 20s or 30s but looks 14. She wants to date and be in a relationship, but realistically all she finds are creeps that are into kids. It must be such a sad life.
She can't be treated as an adult because she looks like a child. She can't drink, smoke, or go out in night clubs because of it. She is legally allowed to be in a relationship but imagine how society would treat the guy she dates. Of course there's creeps out there that would but I imagine she isn't into that at all. Her condition is a curse because she's robbed from adulthood, is a special kind of hell.
Not only that, she probably wouldn't be able to find a job because of her condition, which means she will never be independent, self enough and free, and she wouldn't be able to experience being a mother if she wants to, or other good experiences.
@@lunarmoonlightyt9020 Oh, and even if she did and they both liked each other, they both might worry about whether or not the other one really likes them or if they’re only together because they have no other options. Batman might be metaphorically stuck as a kid, but he at least has a support structure and money. I think their shared “adult child” status and common “outsider” position gives Batman a strange sympathy for her, and makes him easier to surrender the gun to than the “normal adults” of the Gotham police force would be.
It was episodes like this that made Batman the animated series so damn good. It showed that some of Batman's villains were also some of the most tragic and heartbroken people who just wanted a normal life but yet were denied/ robbed of any chance of that happening.
BtAS Batman was the best Batman. Of every iteration he’s the one who most clearly cares for and tries to help his rogues, save for those who seem most lost. But even then, sometimes, he still tries.
That's why I liked the recent Batman with Riddler/Penguin/Catwoman when Bruce Wayne was a young adult. He learns that fear doesn't fix the problem, compassion does. And that he can't just ignore his parents' business and charities to just be the Bat, either. Damn movie made me cry.
The little girl in this kind of looks like/reminds me of the little girl from Cats Dont Dance. Also, I find it adorable how Batman comforts her, seeing as she could never grew to adulthood and he lost his childhood.
To this day we still haven’t gotten a proper live action adaptation of baby doll, her tragic backstory And life is still one of the most hard hitting moments in the franchise. Hopefully we could see one of Batman’s underrated villains in his rogues gallery on the big screen one day :(
Props to the writers for making me feel something real and deep and not just watching some action based cartoon. Every villain in this series has a legit reason to snap and has a real tragic backstory... Man Rip Conroy. He wasnt suppose to leave this early 😢😢😢
Joker's really the only one without it but he's Joker. He erased his old identity so cleanly he might as well be dead. So glad Mark Hamil played him since this is the Joker I like the best.
That sad little look when she fires the last shot as the tears roll down always gets me seeing her soul literally and metaphorically with the mirror shattering such a powerful episode
It's her forcing herself to accept that vision of herself isn't the truth. She'll never be a grown woman, but a grown woman stuck in a condition she can't control that makes her look like a child. There's nothing she can do to change it and she denied it long enough. It hurts her *badly* but also forces her to see that there is someone who understands her: Batman. That's what she really needed in her life. I don't like the New Adventures version, but it keeps with this reality of what she needs is connection and understanding.
cant imagine the torture she's going through a rare condition that wont let her body grow almost like immortality the most tragic and frighting thing is only her mind grows. body of little girl. A mind of 30 year old woman no matter all wrong she's done babydoll well always for my sympathy
Joker: Fell in a vat of chemicals and went insane Ivy: irreversibly altered and now can't experience motherhood Freeze: Has the same disease as his wife and turned to crime in an attempt to save her BabyDoll: stuck forever in childhood, denied being able live a normal adult life Penguin: abandoned upon his birth by his parents based entirely on his appearance Pretty much many of the villains Batman faces are people who were either denied the ability to live a normal life in some way, or were rejected by society entirely and cruelly. No matter what they've done, Batman always tries to help them by putting them in Arkham. Hoping that it could help them where he could not. And I feel that its also where his no kill rule comes from. Because, even though they do horrible things, he still sees that there might be a person still in there.
You forgot one. Killer Croc was shunned by society due to his skin condition making him look like a crocodile. All he wants is to be treated like a human not a monster. He's essentially just lashing out at the people calling him a monster. He is a nice guy deep down. All he wants is acceptence.
I can’t imagine what Jeanette has gone through but I can heavily relate on being the show pony for your family. I played classical piano for years and felt like that was my only worth. Everyone around me told me it was my “gift from god” and I should never stop playing because I would be wasting my life… I still can’t play piano with other people around even though I really would like to get back into it. I hid my art from my family bc I didn’t want that same thing happening and now I’m still able to enjoy it. I’m glad she’s free and able to figure out who she is now
This, and the scene from the Justice League unlimited when Ace said "I don't want to be alone. Can you hold my hand?" These 2 scenes show that Batman isn't so stone cold like the others make him out to be. He holds on to the most pain and anguish out of all of the others. He has nobody but himself.
It’s so sad in the episode her plan was to blow herself up along with her former tv “family” so that they can all be a family together forever. Really shows you the kind of pain and loneliness she went through through her life
there’s actually a girl who suffers from a similar outcome, but this was due to her pituitary being fried from cancer treatment when she was a little girl
I don't see her story as sickening. I see it as tragic just like so many of batman's villains. Two Face wanted to do the right thing, Mr. Freeze wanted to save his wife, clayface wanted to look normal again after his accident so he could still act. Batman has always had the best villains because in my opinion they are the most relatable.
It’s not mentioned in the video, but apparently there WERE treatments that could have helped her grow more normally. It’s just that the producers of the television show she was on kept them from her when she was younger to keep her looking like a child as long as possible. By the time the show shut down production, it was too late for the treatments to work. A woman with a chronic condition that affects her life to this degree is not sickening, that is true. It’s nothing that reflects on her nature or the nature of humanity. What’s sickening is the fact that her life could have been better but wasn’t because a group of rich people withheld medical treatment for the sake of their own wallets.
@@elementsfanfics3859aka greed. Like, this is also irl issue too like. Imagine someone works hard to save up the treatment that they longed and hoped to gain after they worked for their whole life... only to have people shove them to the spotlight and deny the treatment of any illness they have, till it was too late.
This is why I love Batman more than any other dc superhero. His villain roster is an example of what can go wrong for ordinary people. Two face, a man who became bad by wanting to do good, poison ivy, a woman who wants to save the environment but goes about it the wrong way. Joker, a desperate man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Harley Quinn, a girl with a bright mind who wanted to help others, fell victim to the very people she tried to help. Scarecrow, grew up in an abusive environment that used fear to scar him, now uses fear to scar others. The penguin, someone born into wealth like Batman but took the wrong path with his wealth. Mr freeze, who lost the love of his life did what he did to get her back. The list goes on but this is why his villains are great.
Out of all the tragic cases he had to do this by far was the saddest she lost everything and b/e of her illness she could not live a normal life even though that is what ahe wanred the most...
All of the batman series are just sad. Life is hard and in every show there is something that makes you cry. I feel as if these people are real in their sad story. I feel when she says "but it's not really me" is really true. and when she says "why couldn't you just let me make believe!" is sad. Life feels dead in every show.
She's like many people: wanting to return to the simplify of childhood because it really IS easier to be a kid compared to an adult. And her life was so much easier back then because she didn't have to struggle to fit in. But now she can't even have that.
Thats a real disease btw. I remember a woman with the same condition engaged to a guy that was her age. They had to move because of ignorant hateful ppl. To onlookers it looked like a guy in a relationship with a 12 year old. But they were both in their 30s. So sad...
She's an adult and fully capable of determining if the person she's dating is genuine or a sicko, and that attitude right there undermines her autonomy and villainizes one of the few people willing to treat her like an adult and is exactly the reason why she had to move.
Babby Doll is exactly the kind of person Akram was intended for. A very grounded sick but dangerous person that needs help. Kinda reminds me of some of the contestants in Twisted Metal: Black
And let the people who took her adult life away going back to live their normal adult life. It's been going around that the producers had found out about a cure but still refused to give her it and as soon the show had ended it was already to late. And think about other males she can't date no one because other people will just miss under stood the situation. She doesn't need arkham asylum she needs a therapist to help her.
Does anyone find it strange that many of the changes done to the villains where made canon in the comics as well as the inclusion of new characters like Harley but Baby Doll hasn’t?
@@irrespondibleThat does exist though. There is a real woman who looks very young because of a cancer treatment she had when she was younger. It messed with her development and kept her from developing normally. Not to mention, some people just naturally look a bit younger than they seem. For example, when I was 15 I was with this girl who I thought was my age but was actually 25. It surprised me. On the other hand, it’s also possible for younger people to look old. And I don’t mean a healthy person who just developed fast. I mean people with health issues who unfortunately do not age well.
There are some villains that you just can’t help to sympathize with. Baby Doll with her eternal youth looks, Mr. Freeze trying to save his wife, Poison Ivy just wanting to protect Mother Nature, Harvey Dent basically becoming jaded with justice, even Harley getting mind broken by Joker
This scene is so deep and heartbreaking 💔😭 You have a villain who never grew up confronted by a hero who lost his childhood to stop villains but instead they embrace in tears to close the scene. 😭 BtAS is a gem of the highest caliber in storytelling. Where have we failed to tell such great stories?! 😢 Watching the documentary about BtAS is a must see.
the fact that batman actually comforts her and understands that her actions are not out of evil or spite and that she just feels isolated is probably why this batman is one of the best ones
Ahe is not a villain. She is a person hurting from a gentic problem she wasn't able or allowed to get away from. Being trapped in a babys body when ur mind is different is the biggest torture i can think of
She becomes a villain when she kidnaps people at gunpoint and tries to murder them with freaking dynamite. But damn is she a sympathetic villain. I'm glad she at least got a hug, poor woman.
We have an attorney who's face melted while doing his job, a guy who was turned into sand and got washed away by the rain, but everyone's hearts are with the girl who wanted to grow up. Pshhh
we need hollywood to stop making batman a murderer and show people this side of himself more often. the side that shows he cares for the people of the city and wants to help.
This show is so good. It truly makes you feel human. It makes these villains that mostly show no sign of goodnes human. It makes them just broken people with bad luck, with horrible lives that they had no control over. It makes u feel sad for them and Thats Whats genius about it.
I once watched a video essay on this episode and it had one line I think is really good: Babydoll is an adult trapped in a child’s body. But Batman is a child trapped in an adult’s body, still stuck at the moment his parents died.
I never got why people didn't want to hire her. An adult who could play a child would be invaluable since you wouldnt have to follow the laws surrounding working with children, and she has an adult mind with adult acting skills so shell give very authentic performances. I just do not see her becoming a failed actor when i feel like Hollywood would kill for adults that could pass as children. I mean they had 30 year olds playing teenagers for a while
They still do infact, but the fact is that she mentally suffers from that condition cause she doesn’t even look a few years younger than she is, so maybe she’s 20 but looks 16, which is reasonable and actually happens naturally sometimes, it’s called baby face syndrome, but she straight up looks like a 5yr old, which doesn’t allow her to have any normal relationship or a partner without it being a pedo or them being judged for being togheter, there was actually an hormonal therapy that could have cured it but the cast director didn’t want her to know so that he could keep her like this and the show go on and it was too late for her when the show got cancelled, so yeah, the director tried to keep her like this and succeeded, costing her mental health
I don't know if is comparable but her story reminds alot of Gary Coleman. They both were successful child actors, have the same problem of not being able to grow to the point of still looking like a child, not being able to be recognized in other stuff because of his problem and being overshadow by his iconic roles in previous show that make them famous.
Song: Hana • Miri Dawn
Show: Batman: Animated Series (1993)
Thanks for posting the music
Episode name?
Episode: Baby Doll
Is one of the darkest episode.
I just got done watching it 😂😂😂
The girl robbed of an adulthood comforted by the guy who was robbed of a childhood
yo what the heck is this cool poetry
well when you put it like that, now you've got me crying
@@afox8050LMAO exactly😭
A blessing and....a curse
@@sky3dag0atFr 😔. Sadly poetic. In fact, I'd even describe it as melancholy.
He didn't treat her like a child but like the grown woman she was.
People like her, yeah, they want to live a normal life and reach a goal in life. But due to the greed and pride of the people that stops them from having that life.
Meanwhile batman had no childhood, barely given the chance to have his life spent with his beloved parents... but we all know in Batman's life and the universes that batmans are, will never let him have a chance.
Im your 1000th like
There are two types of comments...
@@BICSEDITS2great timing
@@Chopscrewyyy I love you name great reference
Baby doll was robbed of adulthood.
She could never really have a normal friendship or relationship with people her age. She was completely alone.
Let alone a relationship with anyone. Dating was probably impossible since anyone with her would be called a pedophile at first glance. So she is in her 30s, looks 8 years old. Never has a relationship due to her condition. Will never find a partner, and is forever forced to be alone.... poor gal.
@@RusticShine And any man who would date her would probably just be a creep only doing it because she looks like a little girl.
It's Gotham city guys itself it was reason why what they done corporations, agency, military, law enforcement, science, Criminals, terror , mafia and everywhere place they responsible for turning them bad guys so now we are the bad guys.
@@RusticShinetruly a terrible fate and a curse...
@@RusticShineTrue, that happens for women who are just short in real life. She would be screwed, never to find love.
People talk about getting robbed of their childhood, but she got robbed of her adulthood 😔
Frr
Ля! А ведь звучит сильно. Прям цытата. (О.О)
😢
That happens to many kids out there😢😢😢
What’s sad is that kids in Hollywood received the same treatment as her. In the show there was a cure for her disease and the show runners kept it from her so she can continue playing the role. The child actors are made to take drugs to slow their growth so they can act as a kid for longer. Like delaying their puberty. They are then discarded for younger and newer actors.
Holy shit that’s messed up, that’s a real thing?
@@Foster-t8kI dont think so, but... I think it's more important to judge the character of Hollywood execs. I belive this is something they would do, if they could. As for the replacement part, that 100% happens.
@@An_Average_Arsonistas to the legitmiacy of Hollywood using it for child actor purposes, i cant speak to that, but drugs that delay puberty absolutely exist. Its most commonly used for pre pubescents who show strong signs of transgenderism as a stopgap before making the decision to go full transition. Puberty resumes normally once they stop taking the drug so if it is just a childs flight of fancy they can resume regular development.
@@An_Average_ArsonistNo, it's true. Burt Ward, the actor who played Robin in the 60s Batman show was asked to take Saltpeter pills to slow his puberty. Opera companies would buy castrated boys so their voices would always be high.
The wealthy have always preyed on children
@@PrivateCTO One thing I'm curious about, but haven't been able to find an answer for. If a child were to take blockers all the time till they were 18 (probably 100% a hypothetical, though I'm still curious) would it stunt some aspects of their development if they stopped?/gen. I'm just curious how potent it would be over time. Sorry if this is a dumb question, I might need to do more research on this.
When she yelled at Batman "Why couldn't you just let me make believe?!" I legit cried, the voice actress did an amazing job putting heart into that line
Amen. Hated the recast but liked the redesign. She looked less like a Tiny Toons character.
lol
As batman I'd say you can't live in a fantasy since those are a child's mindset,you're an adult therefore you have to accept it
Has éste capítulo una película y estoy seguro de que el dinero volverá como lluvia.
@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853Adults make believe all the time, just in different ways.
If you don't make up reasons to be happy, you fall into apathy or nihilism - you have to be able to create meaning, otherwise all you're left with is reality.
Reality is indifferent to your struggles, your successes, your journey - you have to make believe to find lasting joy in life.
“If you can’t imagine Batman comforting a scared child, you didn’t write Batman, you wrote the Punisher in a funny hat”
...that, even if Baby Doll is actually a 30 years old midget.
That is the exact quote I was thinking of! I love these moments that emphasize Batman's human side, the side that understands that a person's darkest moments can come from incredible pain and not every single villain needs to be stopped with a solid thrashing.
Who said that? Excellent quote.
@@alarkharit’s not dwarfism. It’s something entirely different.
@@herbderbler1585 it comes from an Overly Sarcastic Productions video
Baby doll has to be one of the most underrated villains in this series. She like mr. Freeze weren't trying to take over the world or trying to change the world. They simply were trying to fight to have that normal life.
Mr. Freeze just wanted the woman that he loved back. Baby doll couldn't have a happy adult life that she wanted, so she wanted to go back to the childhood that she felt love in
They said the inspiration for BTAS was the Tim Burton movies... I remember the backstory of Penguin from Batman Returns and... JEESH, they went above and beyond.
Sadly there is nothing called “happy adult life”.
@@m7mmdproAdults have to build their happy life. The world doesn't owe anything to anyone.
I love the way the show handled it. It gave those characters empathy but at the same time they have repercussions for their actions against innocent people
Yes, I saw a Mr.Freeze short, it made me cry.
I never knew the soft side behind villains.
The fact that some of the villains run to Batman for comfort and Batman helps is absolutely heartbreaking 🙂
that's who the real batman is. He's not a hero who beats the bad guy, He's a hero who helps and heals the broken.
@@divadfutch3433 折合他是整個城市唯一在工作的精神治療工作者
I love this Batman. He doesn’t attack her, he doesn’t yell at her, he lets her attack the mirrors so she’ll let her anger out which is what she needed. Truly the Batman we need.
Editors:So you want an villain that looks like an infant. Is this going to be a comedic episode?
Writers: absolutely not
Editors: Uh oh ._.
Uh Oh
And then you have an episode with the gritties most hardcore villain ever and it's just joke after joker after pun after gag
I believe you mean animetors
@christineharvey2632 the writers write it the animators draw it
I think Baby Doll had it the worse in tragic villains. All she wanted was to be normal, but circumstances wouldn't allow it. No wonder she snapped. Any normal person would. 😢🎉
Her and ace had it even
@@codybearden3091Ace does always make me cry
Normal people snap or get good. Not every person who is abused becomes an abuser. Otherwise it would be a positive Feedback towards 100%. They usually try to be better. She could have lived a normal life despite her condition. She decided to be a criminal.
@@catdogfishdogcats no, she had the deck stacked against her. How normal could her life be? Always treated like a child, always having to fight to prove you are an adult, and we see in the series that she has the same romantic/adult desires that the average person would have, and how is she supposed to cope with that? The only kind of person she could attract is someone who harbors an attraction to children, because she doesn't have dwarfism: her body looks like a child's body.
So tell me with a straight face how she lives a "normal" life?
@@kuno3336not to mention I think they said in the show or the comics that they were able to cure her,but they didn't want to because she was a star. And when the show was finished they left her to rot. She was just used for money
I really love how when she's shooting out the mirrors, Batman is glaring, since she sees him as an enemy, but when she breaks down, he's comforting and sympathetic.
I mean, anyone that went through hell cause of the people that they're surrounded by, uses or treats them like they're nothing. Meanwhile, batman sees the hurt and pain they have endured, he wants to help, even if someone points a gun at him while he holds his hand to offer the real help they need.
She's shattering the perception she has of him and of herself. She needed to see someone DID see her as the adult she actually is, even though she's forced to accept she can't change how she looks.
A mirror that reflects how you feel about yourself on the inside, people would flip if this was real.
not sure I would like what I saw
I would be scared to see this
I would see nothing but myself. Who you are is who you are.
Jdjdxxufjdh😭😭😭
Los espejos solo muestran al verdadero yo, solo muestran como luses en el exterior, la cuestion esta en como te veas a ti mismo en el espejo
A man who didn't have a childhood and a woman who didn't have adult hood.... he is one of the few who could understand
This show and Batman Beyond (pretty much the entire DCAU to be honest) were ahead of their time with certain subjects. Very well written stories that made sure to have the heroes and villains (safe for a few) be human.
& Justice League
@@Bloodthirst2626and Static Shock
@@martinpat94 every DCAU show is cos there just awesome
@@Bloodthirst2626 they have aged like fine wine. Cause I watched a bunch of it recently and I think beyond the nostalgia I still think they are great shows
@@martinpat94 yeah the writing is notastgic
What was messed up was that there was a hormone treatment which could have cured her but the show producers kept it away from her to keep the shows gimick going. It was too late after it was cancelled when she was past her formative years
Wow😮 ty missed that in the episode, yeah then they had it coming
I had forgotten about this episode, and this just made me realize that the situation between kids and hormones blockers for transgenderism is quite eerily similar and terrifying.
Burt Ward, the actor who played Robin on the original live action Batman show had a similar problem with the show runner's.
In reality puberty blockers have no side effects but keep letting cartoons determine your world outlook lmao
@@ZeroTooL88 So your saying puberty blockers are just placebos? Get out of here with that nonsense.
A man who lost his childhood meeting a woman who lost her adulthood
Ironic
"That's not the real me, is it?"
Dam bro....
H9UE
This is why Batman is the best superhero. He has empathy. Other heroes will just kill their opponents but Batman believes in second chances. He doesn't treat villains as killers or psychos but as individuals who lost their ways and he wanted to help them so that they can redeem themselves.
A lot of the heroes appreciate that about him. They just want him to keep them out of their territories because they will be forced to treat them as the threats they are to others rather than the victims they are to themselves.
Superman's had to put his foot down with Batman allowing Joker to leave Gotham just to remind him of that. Even Flash, the friendliest of the superheroes, doesn't want to see Joker as anything but a threat.
Majority of heroes wouldn't just kill their villains, this isn't unique to Batman. I have seen Superman do similar stuff.
@@MysteriousTomJenkinsand that’s not unique to DC; the comic books Spider-Man won’t kill anyone himself.
Indeed. Batman is shown to try and reason with some of his opponents (Baby Doll, Mad Hatter, Lloyd Ventrix), and if one recalls the opening to Batman: The Animated Series, he takes out a group of criminals but leaves them tied up for the police to apprehend.
Yo them 90’s cartoons hit hard.
If you’re seeing this first as a adult now. Imagine being 7 watching it for the first time.
This show was the only show that didn’t hold its punches. Showing depression, death, insanity etc insanely accurately
But most importantly, respectfully
This reminds me of that girl with a similar disorder and she is in her 20s or 30s but looks 14. She wants to date and be in a relationship, but realistically all she finds are creeps that are into kids. It must be such a sad life.
is it that TLC show my name is Shauna Rae
@@fusioncannon probably, it was so long ago I don't remember much. I just saw a short on it not to long ago and it popped into my head.
She had cancer which destroyed her pituitary gland, stopping production of growth hormones.
@@fusioncannonI think you're right....
Sounds like Monster Girl from Invincible
She can't be treated as an adult because she looks like a child. She can't drink, smoke, or go out in night clubs because of it. She is legally allowed to be in a relationship but imagine how society would treat the guy she dates. Of course there's creeps out there that would but I imagine she isn't into that at all. Her condition is a curse because she's robbed from adulthood, is a special kind of hell.
What if she dated a nice fellow who had the same condition?
@@thispersonwriting1889the chances of her finding a nice guy with the same condition as her would probably be very rare 😢
Are you ill or just acting
Not only that, she probably wouldn't be able to find a job because of her condition, which means she will never be independent, self enough and free, and she wouldn't be able to experience being a mother if she wants to, or other good experiences.
@@lunarmoonlightyt9020 Oh, and even if she did and they both liked each other, they both might worry about whether or not the other one really likes them or if they’re only together because they have no other options.
Batman might be metaphorically stuck as a kid, but he at least has a support structure and money.
I think their shared “adult child” status and common “outsider” position gives Batman a strange sympathy for her, and makes him easier to surrender the gun to than the “normal adults” of the Gotham police force would be.
It was episodes like this that made Batman the animated series so damn good. It showed that some of Batman's villains were also some of the most tragic and heartbroken people who just wanted a normal life but yet were denied/ robbed of any chance of that happening.
_"I can't fix you, but that doesn't mean you have to suffer alone."_
The fact she also wanted to go down with everyone after she light the dynamite shows that she was suicidal as well. Makes it even more tragic.
BtAS Batman was the best Batman. Of every iteration he’s the one who most clearly cares for and tries to help his rogues, save for those who seem most lost. But even then, sometimes, he still tries.
Best animated Batman at least. And that's non-arguable
@@eggybreath2958😮 he’s SECOND best to Batman the brave and the bold
@@soomitsunami5936 Ew no
Just league tas?
@@soomitsunami5936see brave and bold is good but don't compare it to btas
Man I really wish more media showed how Batman truly is. He is one of the most compassionate heroes out there.
That's why I liked the recent Batman with Riddler/Penguin/Catwoman when Bruce Wayne was a young adult. He learns that fear doesn't fix the problem, compassion does. And that he can't just ignore his parents' business and charities to just be the Bat, either. Damn movie made me cry.
The little girl in this kind of looks like/reminds me of the little girl from Cats Dont Dance. Also, I find it adorable how Batman comforts her, seeing as she could never grew to adulthood and he lost his childhood.
To this day we still haven’t gotten a proper live action adaptation of baby doll, her tragic backstory And life is still one of the most hard hitting moments in the franchise. Hopefully we could see one of Batman’s underrated villains in his rogues gallery on the big screen one day :(
Bad doesnt always mean evil i wish more people realized that
It is but a single step closer...
Some people are Bad because Bad shit happened to them or they've been treated badly by others and there's people who are Spiteful for the Sake of it.
One of the biggest things that BTAS taught me was empathy. There are so many characters on this show that you cannot help but feel bad for.
Props to the writers for making me feel something real and deep and not just watching some action based cartoon. Every villain in this series has a legit reason to snap and has a real tragic backstory... Man Rip Conroy. He wasnt suppose to leave this early 😢😢😢
Joker's really the only one without it but he's Joker. He erased his old identity so cleanly he might as well be dead.
So glad Mark Hamil played him since this is the Joker I like the best.
Baby Doll and Mr Freeze are the most tragic villains
And this kids is why anti-aging medicine will forever be a curse
That's not what happened here.
@@RiveroftheWither I’m just saying if we DID have it this would happen at least a few times
unless it was given to people who ahve already grown up and not children
That sad little look when she fires the last shot as the tears roll down always gets me seeing her soul literally and metaphorically with the mirror shattering such a powerful episode
It's her forcing herself to accept that vision of herself isn't the truth. She'll never be a grown woman, but a grown woman stuck in a condition she can't control that makes her look like a child. There's nothing she can do to change it and she denied it long enough. It hurts her *badly* but also forces her to see that there is someone who understands her: Batman.
That's what she really needed in her life.
I don't like the New Adventures version, but it keeps with this reality of what she needs is connection and understanding.
Ironically the best part about Batman is how understanding he is 😅❤
And he's incredibly forgiving
I’m understanding to like to show sympathy for a person to but to the wrong people who won’t show me any and talk about my feelings
@@evilsayian2114 well my friend I know someone who you can talk to about anything and he will understand and help you
Genuinely i feel bad for the two. Baby Doll who wanted to be an adult and Batman who lost his childhood
Same
cant imagine the torture she's going through a rare condition that wont let her body grow almost like immortality the most tragic and frighting thing is only her mind grows. body of little girl. A mind of 30 year old woman no matter all wrong she's done babydoll well always for my sympathy
You cant imagine grown up untill you live through the darkest moments in a childhood you dont have any control over
"I didn't mean to..."
- A girl who never grew into adulthood to a man who lost his childhood. 😞
EDIT: Thanks for agreeing everyone.
Damn...
Deep bro😔
@@jeffreyvenis-eb6px Indeed. 😞
this is art
It’s ironic. But I do agree with my fellow people, this is deep.
Joker: Fell in a vat of chemicals and went insane
Ivy: irreversibly altered and now can't experience motherhood
Freeze: Has the same disease as his wife and turned to crime in an attempt to save her
BabyDoll: stuck forever in childhood, denied being able live a normal adult life
Penguin: abandoned upon his birth by his parents based entirely on his appearance
Pretty much many of the villains Batman faces are people who were either denied the ability to live a normal life in some way, or were rejected by society entirely and cruelly. No matter what they've done, Batman always tries to help them by putting them in Arkham. Hoping that it could help them where he could not. And I feel that its also where his no kill rule comes from. Because, even though they do horrible things, he still sees that there might be a person still in there.
That, and he sees that he's mentally unstable himself - if he kills, he's afraid he'll not know when to stop.
You forgot one. Killer Croc was shunned by society due to his skin condition making him look like a crocodile. All he wants is to be treated like a human not a monster. He's essentially just lashing out at the people calling him a monster. He is a nice guy deep down. All he wants is acceptence.
Riddler: Just wanted to be seen.
@@ZombifiedBuizel Wreck-It Ralph: *SIGH* I wanted acceptance too as much Killer Croc does.
The writers really made this show so well.
I can’t imagine what Jeanette has gone through but I can heavily relate on being the show pony for your family. I played classical piano for years and felt like that was my only worth. Everyone around me told me it was my “gift from god” and I should never stop playing because I would be wasting my life… I still can’t play piano with other people around even though I really would like to get back into it. I hid my art from my family bc I didn’t want that same thing happening and now I’m still able to enjoy it. I’m glad she’s free and able to figure out who she is now
On the bright side, she's got eternal youth.
This, and the scene from the Justice League unlimited when Ace said "I don't want to be alone. Can you hold my hand?" These 2 scenes show that Batman isn't so stone cold like the others make him out to be. He holds on to the most pain and anguish out of all of the others. He has nobody but himself.
It’s so sad in the episode her plan was to blow herself up along with her former tv “family” so that they can all be a family together forever. Really shows you the kind of pain and loneliness she went through through her life
there’s actually a girl who suffers from a similar outcome, but this was due to her pituitary being fried from cancer treatment when she was a little girl
This is what make batman, batman.
This is why he don't kill.
More kids with tragic stories. Batman is one of them.
Thisnis why never aging can be terrible
Baby doll is probably one of the most underrated and misunderstood villains in the Batman universe.
Batman being the father he never had and just letting her inner child feel better
A true king among men👑❤️🩹.
I don't see her story as sickening. I see it as tragic just like so many of batman's villains. Two Face wanted to do the right thing, Mr. Freeze wanted to save his wife, clayface wanted to look normal again after his accident so he could still act. Batman has always had the best villains because in my opinion they are the most relatable.
It’s not mentioned in the video, but apparently there WERE treatments that could have helped her grow more normally. It’s just that the producers of the television show she was on kept them from her when she was younger to keep her looking like a child as long as possible. By the time the show shut down production, it was too late for the treatments to work. A woman with a chronic condition that affects her life to this degree is not sickening, that is true. It’s nothing that reflects on her nature or the nature of humanity. What’s sickening is the fact that her life could have been better but wasn’t because a group of rich people withheld medical treatment for the sake of their own wallets.
@@elementsfanfics3859aka greed. Like, this is also irl issue too like. Imagine someone works hard to save up the treatment that they longed and hoped to gain after they worked for their whole life... only to have people shove them to the spotlight and deny the treatment of any illness they have, till it was too late.
@@elementsfanfics3859sadly this happens with almost every treatment. If it's not profitable, the treatment is kept away
This is why I love Batman more than any other dc superhero. His villain roster is an example of what can go wrong for ordinary people. Two face, a man who became bad by wanting to do good, poison ivy, a woman who wants to save the environment but goes about it the wrong way. Joker, a desperate man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Harley Quinn, a girl with a bright mind who wanted to help others, fell victim to the very people she tried to help. Scarecrow, grew up in an abusive environment that used fear to scar him, now uses fear to scar others. The penguin, someone born into wealth like Batman but took the wrong path with his wealth. Mr freeze, who lost the love of his life did what he did to get her back. The list goes on but this is why his villains are great.
Out of all the tragic cases he had to do this by far was the saddest she lost everything and b/e of her illness she could not live a normal life even though that is what ahe wanred the most...
All of the batman series are just sad. Life is hard and in every show there is something that makes you cry. I feel as if these people are real in their sad story. I feel when she says "but it's not really me" is really true. and when she says "why couldn't you just let me make believe!" is sad. Life feels dead in every show.
The fact that she can't really do anything without her being judged or the people around her being judged is depressing
She's like many people: wanting to return to the simplify of childhood because it really IS easier to be a kid compared to an adult. And her life was so much easier back then because she didn't have to struggle to fit in. But now she can't even have that.
Thats a real disease btw. I remember a woman with the same condition engaged to a guy that was her age. They had to move because of ignorant hateful ppl. To onlookers it looked like a guy in a relationship with a 12 year old. But they were both in their 30s. So sad...
It is a bit dodgy tho
She's an adult and fully capable of determining if the person she's dating is genuine or a sicko, and that attitude right there undermines her autonomy and villainizes one of the few people willing to treat her like an adult and is exactly the reason why she had to move.
*Puts on Mask*
Systemic Hypoplasia
Babby Doll is exactly the kind of person Akram was intended for. A very grounded sick but dangerous person that needs help. Kinda reminds me of some of the contestants in Twisted Metal: Black
And let the people who took her adult life away going back to live their normal adult life. It's been going around that the producers had found out about a cure but still refused to give her it and as soon the show had ended it was already to late. And think about other males she can't date no one because other people will just miss under stood the situation. She doesn't need arkham asylum she needs a therapist to help her.
People like joker,croc,scarecrow its not meant for since they will never change and deserve death
Who's Akram?
@@Farhan_049dam bro you fr?? You cant be that dumb. Arkham asylum bro...
@@Johnny-fv5wn actually Killer Croc was trying to change. espcially when he was in a relationship with June Moon / Enchantress
A man robbed of his childhood and a woman robbed of her adulthood 😢
Does anyone find it strange that many of the changes done to the villains where made canon in the comics as well as the inclusion of new characters like Harley but Baby Doll hasn’t?
Baby Doll is a legal loli...
Let's just say "Internet says HELL NO"
@@irrespondiblein a very sad way, yes.
@@irrespondibleThat does exist though.
There is a real woman who looks very young because of a cancer treatment she had when she was younger. It messed with her development and kept her from developing normally.
Not to mention, some people just naturally look a bit younger than they seem. For example, when I was 15 I was with this girl who I thought was my age but was actually 25. It surprised me.
On the other hand, it’s also possible for younger people to look old.
And I don’t mean a healthy person who just developed fast. I mean people with health issues who unfortunately do not age well.
There are some villains that you just can’t help to sympathize with. Baby Doll with her eternal youth looks, Mr. Freeze trying to save his wife, Poison Ivy just wanting to protect Mother Nature, Harvey Dent basically becoming jaded with justice, even Harley getting mind broken by Joker
It hurts to know that there's something that no matter what you do, it's something that you can never change.
Batman is an adult without a childhood, and she’s a child without an adulthood.
Batman who lost his childhood vs the woman that traped in one
After thirty years this episode still hits hard.
Emmanuel Lewis was 19 when WEBSTER was finally ended, still playing a child.
This scene is so deep and heartbreaking 💔😭
You have a villain who never grew up confronted by a hero who lost his childhood to stop villains but instead they embrace in tears to close the scene. 😭 BtAS is a gem of the highest caliber in storytelling. Where have we failed to tell such great stories?! 😢 Watching the documentary about BtAS is a must see.
Babydoll really needs a therapist to help her sadness.😢
the fact that batman actually comforts her and understands that her actions are not out of evil or spite and that she just feels isolated is probably why this batman is one of the best ones
Know your villain before prejudicing them. They only might be broken inside.
until they hurt someone close to you its easy to sympathize when you are not the victim
Ahe is not a villain. She is a person hurting from a gentic problem she wasn't able or allowed to get away from. Being trapped in a babys body when ur mind is different is the biggest torture i can think of
She becomes a villain when she kidnaps people at gunpoint and tries to murder them with freaking dynamite. But damn is she a sympathetic villain. I'm glad she at least got a hug, poor woman.
Be careful with the truth. It can provoke at times.
It turns out this episode made thousands of people cry 😢 when it first aired.
We have an attorney who's face melted while doing his job, a guy who was turned into sand and got washed away by the rain, but everyone's hearts are with the girl who wanted to grow up. Pshhh
Sand???
Er...I think people can feel sympathetic for more than one character.
Many child stars have felt this way too. Especially the ones that played younger versions of the characters. (Minus Young Sheldon)
we need hollywood to stop making batman a murderer and show people this side of himself more often. the side that shows he cares for the people of the city and wants to help.
I don’t mean to that line brings me to tears 😢
Its amazing, he offers no condemnation. I think he fully understood that she was actually suffering from a physical and mental illness.
Villains aren’t born…they’re made❤
Underrated villain. If I had to pick who was the most tragic on this show I’d be stuck in a tie between her and Mr Freeze
We need more of her she was truly an amazing original character
This show is so good. It truly makes you feel human. It makes these villains that mostly show no sign of goodnes human. It makes them just broken people with bad luck, with horrible lives that they had no control over. It makes u feel sad for them and Thats Whats genius about it.
One thing about Batman, that I like out of all the superheroes: all the stories are so much deeper.
Other super heroes have that too, Batman is not unique in that regard.
Batman, "how do I deal with messed up, I am messed up", real men sometimes wear capes.
Rest in peace 🙏 ( voice actor batman )
Kevin Conroy
I once watched a video essay on this episode and it had one line I think is really good:
Babydoll is an adult trapped in a child’s body.
But Batman is a child trapped in an adult’s body, still stuck at the moment his parents died.
I never got why people didn't want to hire her. An adult who could play a child would be invaluable since you wouldnt have to follow the laws surrounding working with children, and she has an adult mind with adult acting skills so shell give very authentic performances. I just do not see her becoming a failed actor when i feel like Hollywood would kill for adults that could pass as children. I mean they had 30 year olds playing teenagers for a while
Maybe it's for their own protection. Hollywood is run by pervs. She might be too great a temptation.
They still do infact, but the fact is that she mentally suffers from that condition cause she doesn’t even look a few years younger than she is, so maybe she’s 20 but looks 16, which is reasonable and actually happens naturally sometimes, it’s called baby face syndrome, but she straight up looks like a 5yr old, which doesn’t allow her to have any normal relationship or a partner without it being a pedo or them being judged for being togheter, there was actually an hormonal therapy that could have cured it but the cast director didn’t want her to know so that he could keep her like this and the show go on and it was too late for her when the show got cancelled, so yeah, the director tried to keep her like this and succeeded, costing her mental health
“Why couldn’t you just let me make believe” that line goes hard when you put it In Your own eyes
This is one of the saddest moments in the show
And people say cartoons don't cover deep subjects.
TAS had some of the best versions of his villians.
Dude this show was probably the most realistic thing that i had to show me the bigger picture. I wish I could still watch it
I don't know if is comparable but her story reminds alot of Gary Coleman.
They both were successful child actors, have the same problem of not being able to grow to the point of still looking like a child, not being able to be recognized in other stuff because of his problem and being overshadow by his iconic roles in previous show that make them famous.
Batman is the therapist we needed😢
I really wish they did a follow-up episode with her character. I hope in some way she got the help she needed.
The 90s batman narratives were so much sadder, and also encouraged more emapthy.
Today it's just... good guys win, bad guys lose.
which does have it place, just not as sytematic as it as become recently
or bad guys always have reason to justify their actions and there for should be easy on them.
Truly one of the saddest stories
They will never let that character in any media now. Everyone is too scared to touch upon hard and complicated themes like that
She was never a villain, she just wanted to grow up...