Construction Paper Blanks - Take Two - Experiment
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- This is a follow up of my failed construction paper blanks from a couple months ago.
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Bob
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Another great save Bob.
Thank you Joe.
Regards,
Bob
Good job, Never quit!
Thank you Melissa.
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Bob
Very nice pens Ill give it a try!!!!
+Tim V. Thank you Tim.
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Bob
Great review Super just super.
+Dave White Thank you Dave.
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Bob
I'm two years out here, but I am looking at pen turning videos because I have a new lathe and would like to develop ideas.
Having said that, micarta is an epoxy resin laminate. Typically, it is made with slow setting resins (30 minutes to an hour stuff). The layers are saturated with the epoxy, placed in a press box, and squeezed firmly, then allowed to set for 24 hours. Think in terms of a rectangular box that is pressed flat from the top with a lot of pressure. Results are a hard block that doesn't separate without deliberate efforts.
I hadn't thought about using a wood hardener. Interesting idea. Still, saturated layers pressed firmly flat should be better.
Thank you Kirk.
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Bob
I havn't looked though all the comments. but red white and blue would make a great patriotic pen!
+Lee Peterson Thanks for the idea Lee,
That would make an use pen.
Regards,
Bob
Was wondering if you ever tried using epoxy?
I also think it's great that you show your mistakes. It shows us what not to do.
Hello Paul,
I do use epoxy now for all my pen clue ups.
Regards,
Bob
Look Great Bob, could you put more layers of paper in them ?????
I may try more layers o e of these days. That would be cool.
Regards,
Bob
For your consideration: If you use epoxy to laminate the paper it will make micarta which will be as hard as your wood blanks and, indeed, can be used in place of wood to make some interesting pen blanks.
+Michael Trent My only concern is that it will be to stiff to fit all the curves I cut in the blank.
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Bob
I puzzled over your concern a bit before the light went off -- you use a low-viscosity epoxy with a long curing time, and clamp up while everything is still flexible. I do this all the time with full size bowl and vase blanks. I've used paper, cloth and thin wood veneers. There's a world of marine epoxies formulated for this, but my favorite is West System epoxy. Clyde
+Clyde Ulmer Very interesting Clyde,
I never even thought about a marine grade epoxy. Thank you for the suggestion.
Regards,
Bob
Instead of using Elmers glue, I would make some flour paste like my grandmother use to make for gluing paper. It dries very hard.
Cool idea, thanks.
Another way you might be able to do this is with epoxy. Using epoxy and paper creates a form of micarta which can be turned fairly easily.
Thank you.
What you are doing is called paper micarta and you will get the best results using epoxy resin. Sorry if this comment has been made before, Peter Brown has several videos on micarta for turning
+Dirk van Straaten Thank you Dirk,
I am aware of micarta, the epoxy just makes the veneer rather rigid and I wanted something flexible that could follow the curves on the wood.
Regards,
Bob
I’m just getting into turning and have watched a few of your videos. I’ve got to tell you that your method of conveying what your doing really works well for the way that I learn. I don’t know if it’s the clarity, the cadence, or if it’s a combination but it works for me. Please continue with these because they encourage me to try different ideas just as I hope these positive comments encourage you. Have a great day.
Thank you Levi,
Comments like yours do encourage me to keep making videos. Have a great day. 😃
Regards,
Bob
Wow!!! Enjoyed the project. The pens look beautiful. And the LIGHTS!!! Double WOW. We can see everything.
Thank you Bob, The lights are wonderful from my perspective too. Sometimes there just a tad too bright.Regards,Bob
Thank you for sharing your various wood turning projects.
Thank you Ken.
Regards,
Bob
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Nice one Bob . I like the multi layered color effect . And I think you're right , more colors should look awesome . Looks like you got this one figured out . Take care .
+Glen mckelvey Thank you Glen,
I hope so. I want to experiment more with this technique.
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Bob
Hi RJB, loved these videos...it isn't often that you see a fail and then come back with a success. That's class stuff...
+Andy Laws Thank you Andy,
I don't like to give up on an idea. LOL.
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Bob
Experiments are so much fun when you go in feet first. Fun stuff. Thanks.
+Neffers Thank you,
This is one I probably wouldn't have tried if it wasn't for all the great people who watched the fail video encouraging me to give it a second try. Now, I'm really glad I did.
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Bob
Can't let failures win, revisit them with a fresh set of ideas and you're already winning.
+Neffers Thank you,
I feel good about this one. I hope to experiment with lots more colors of paper for cooler effects.
Regards,
Bob
I'm wondering if you could impregnate the more porous and thicker types to get thicker bands, stuff like card that's not been treated with china clay, loo roll tubes etc.? I am hoping to get a pen mandrel and stuff for my lathe eventually - money is tight so I'm stuck with basic end to end turning.
I'm looking forward to making the odd pen or two with some lovely wood I was given - I'm unsure of the species but it certainly has a lovely iridescence when turning against the light, and it's not even finished, just fresh sawn. There's about 20 foot or more of it in 3/4" to 1"x 2' lengths. Can't wait!
+Neffers good luck on getting a mandrel, once you do you'll be hooked. Pen turning is addictive. That's an interesting idea, might be worth looking into.
Bob
Go Cards. 👍🏼😬
Thank you and “L” Yeah!
Regards,
Bob
Both nice, EG color pops a bit more. Added this to my need to make blank list, no jig, materials on hand couldn't be better. Thanks for sharing Bob.
Thank you John, I agree with you on the EG blank. I think it may have been the lighter wood that made the difference because they both have the same features.Regards,Bob
Just so you know, some of us would love to see the turning of the blanks. Cool idea for your pens.
Thank you i appreciate that.
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Bob
nice pens Bob turned out really great. always remember try try again
Thank you Opa, I probably wouldn't have attempted this one again but so many people asked and challenged me to find a way to make it work.Regards,Bob
Great looking pens and great video. Thank you
+BlueBoy9055 Thank you.
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Bob
Gotta try it. Why Elmer’s and not titebond yellow or hide glue? All water soluble.
It was what I had available at the time. Keep me posted if you try this with another type of glue.
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Bob
Amazing looking pens! I try to never let the bit exit the blank, as that's when most blowouts happen. By cutting the sections long and marking the bit with a piece of tape, I drill a little bit deeper than the tube, then cut to the right length to reveal the hole. If a blank isn't long enough to allow that much excess, I'll drill the narrower hole before cutting the blank. Then drill the wider hole, ideally with excess so I don't have to exit. I'm tired of finding out the hard way which blanks are going to blowout, and just assume they all will.
Nice idea Ted.
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Bob
Great stuff Bob, thanks so much. Have a great one
+Val Borchardt Thank you Val.
Bob
Neat! I think you perfected this one. I am seeing Celtic knots using this method.
+Tenspeed TheBikeHanger I agree, Celtic with about three more colors added. I'm thinking about laminating the papers together to make a veneer. Then adding it to the blanks.
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Bob
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Bob
Very cool! You are so talented.
+Steve Brown Thank you Steve.
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Bob
Hey Bob, a trick I use to help prevent blow out especially for the larger tubes is to flood the ends or entry and exit points of the drill bit with CA glue. this also helps with softer woods as well as with spalted woods . It may help with these great blanks you are playing around with.
+Mark Van Koersveld Thanks Mark,
I appreciate the tip.
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Bob
those look amazing Bob. I think if you watch again, the W.H. blank that drilled off center and blew out, was in the vise straight, not in the grooves cut for pen blanks. I don't know if that might have had anything to do with it or not, but both finished products look great.
~Scott
Hello Scott, I think that was what caused the issue. I should have trimmed the excess paper off the sides of the blank before drilling so I could have held it properly in the vise. Instead I tried to hold it on the flat sides outside of the groove. The vise wasn't tight enough and I saw the blank move. You'll notice that too right before I retighten the vise. That's what got me and cause the tiny blow out. Luckily the extra length was enough to allow me to cut it off.Regards,Bob
Elmers glue + water 3 to 1
Thank you.
Excellent work Bob, good save and fantastic looking pens. 😜😜👽
+Eric Milligan Thank you Eric.
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Bob
Fantastic. amazing look. something I must try in the future. Thanks and keep creating.
+Charles “Tim” Reicks Thank you Charles,
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Bob
Great looking results, Bob. Perseverance pays off once again!
+Dwight Rahl Thank you Dwight,
I have my viewers encouragement to thank for this one.
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Bob
Another great pen, Bob. Now all I have to do is get off my duff and try it!
+Jim Kodysz LOL, thank you Jim.
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Bob
Good job Bob. It would be good for gift pens for people living in a country with a 3 colour striped flag like France. Or for USA having the stripes and finding a way to add a few stars - maybe drilling tiny holes after turning around the stripes and filling with crushed stone or glitter with CA glue then putting back on the lathe and sanding back.
+david croft Cool ides David,
I like it.
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Bob
Just fantastic, always enjoy watching your videos. I learn something new every time. I also love to turn pens and hope to
one day be as creative as you. I am also an Indiana boy, South Bend transplanted to MS
+Von Ralls Nice to meet you Von,
Thank you for the comment.
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Bob
Thanks for sharing Bob! Great video. I am definitely going to try this!
Jim
+dynapig Thank you Jim.
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Bob
Bob, get out your jig because you need to do this same thing in your kids' school colors for teacher gifts. use the jig and do the 45° angle cuts instead of the wavey cuts. remember way back when with the coke can?
mind you, I LOVE the wiggle lines but I still think straight angled cuts would show off the colors more because it's round with angles. 🙃
+Marcy Cooper I need to try straight cuts just to see how they look. I really want more paper colors, time to go the the office supply store.
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Bob
After you glued each paper and it set, what did you use to bond each paper together and then to the blank?
Thank you!!
At that time I used Titebond II wood glue to glue the paper strips into the wood blanks.
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Bob
I realize that I’m testing your memory here but I have a question regarding the blank assembly. Did you use CA to adhere the halves together with the paper in between or did you use wood glue?
I used TiteBond II.
I soaked the construction paper with Elmers school glue then glued the blanks together with the TB II.
They wanted to split apart when I drilled them.
Regards,
Bob
You can check the video and find that the blank with the side angled drill came about because you did not clamp the corners but you clamped the flats. Most likely was not perpendicular. I noticed it when you drilled it.
+Stanley Zalumskis That is exactly what happened and that's why I took the blame. I saw it move and you'll see where I tightened the vise in the video. Later, while sanding the ends flat, I made the comment that I should have trimmed the paper off. It was a total mistake on my part.
Regards,
Bob
man my idea for the construction paper turned out great. great save.
Thank you, I was really surprised the difference bonding the fibers together made. I'm waiting to get more paper colors before I make another, I want more contrast in the veneer.Regards,Bob
i have always found blue, purple and green to look amazing together. also to get more color to wood ratio maybe use 2-5 layers of each color per color layer, and then sandwich it.
+IronOxcide I need to pick up a pad of paper with more colors, currently I'm limited to three. I think more layers is a good idea, you'll get more color spread that way. Also lighter wood seems to show better too.
Great work as always, Bob. I wonder if making the blanks and using a stabilizing product like cactus juice may help the paper stay together. Beautiful pens.
+Tarry Frey I'd bet it would work great, that CJ in a pressure pot or vacuum chamber would soak right into the paper fibers.
Regards,
Bob
You should check out Peter Browns construction paper micarta video. Might give you some other ideas.
+Wes Woods I have,
Micarta by itself makes an amazing blank. Remember how stiff the Micarta Peter made was? It would never work as a veneer.
Regards,
Bob
Maybe if you put CA glue on the end grain it might keep it from blowing out, mabe?
The end grain wasn’t the issue, it was the fibers in the paper separating. You see guys do inside out turning and the use paper bags because they easily split apart.
Regards,
Bob
Wonder if after you do the 3 colors on the 2 cuts if you could trim the blanks to more of an octagon cut from those flat sides and glue in the additional colors.
+Bobby McClellan Interesting idea, that could be done.
Regards,
Bob
Using micheal trents idea of using epoxy.....could you glue and clamp at the same time?
+Steve Budge Probably,
My issue is finding a good reasonably priced source for clear epoxy.
Regards,
Bob
Hey Bob! Those look super sharp. Nice job! I have a small basement shop and was curious. I'm still a ways off from getting a lathe and being a pen turner, but on average, how long does a single pen take to create from start to finish if you don't have the camera turned on?
+Robert Dedinsky Hello Robert,
Average pen, I'd say about an hour start to finish. That's just with a wood or acrylic blank, nothing fancy.
Regards,
Bob
Really appreciated your perseverance. Great example of making lemonade when life gives you lemons. CUMBIE
this is incredible Bob Great Job! I should give this a try. Also what brand is your lathe? I'm looking to get a decent one 😊
+SquatchFace Thank you.
I use a Harbor Freight lathe, it's probably the cheapest lathe you can get and works ok. Because it's cheap, it lacks features and the tolerances are not that tight.
Regards,
Bob
RJBWoodTurner thank you very much 😊
I "sandwiched" mahogany, birch, mahogany veneers with tight bond . It turned out great. I think I'll try your version. What would you think of card stock? It is a bit heavier. My wife has a plethora off it .
+Steve Budge I like the idea and would try it if I hade some. I think it should work really well.
Regards,
Bob
did you try this using thin ca?
No, I did not try thin C/A. Reason why is when you do inside out turning you use C/A to glue a brown paper bag between two pieces of wood to turn it. Then you hit it with a chisel and hammer and it splits along the paper because the C/A is brittle. That’s why I tried wood glue.
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Bob
Hi Bob! I may have missed it, but did you use CA or titebond for gluing the blanks back together after saturating the paper? TIA sir! Great video, as always!
+Joe Radosevich Hello Joe,
I used Titebond II. It held great!
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Bob
RJBWoodTurner TY sir!
You have done an awesome job. I am going to try it with acrylics.
I like you second floor how did you build it?
+Spencer Brown Thank you Spencer,
I built it as a free standing deck, seven feet in the air, then lagged it to the wall studs on two walls. There is a video on my channel if you'd like to see it.
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Bob
I am gonna look for it
These look great! I'm curious if you glued the paper together before putting it in the wood? Also, did you use ca glue putting the paper in the wood? Thanks!
+Jen G Hello Jen,
I glued the papers as I placed them in the blank. Titebond II was the glue of choice on this project.
Regards,
Bob
stabilise the paper ?
Thank you.