'Hypocrisy' of a London school's Muslim prayer ban
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2024
- "Denying my right to pray is denying my identity to be a Muslim"
British imam and presenter Ajmal Masroor criticised a school's decision to ban a Muslim student from praying, arguing that if a school is avowedly secular, would they also ban Christmas or Easter holidays or the national anthem that includes religious references? He asserts that denying Muslims the right to pray fundamentally breaches human rights.
This criticism follows a decision by Michaela Community School in northwest London to ban a British Muslim student from prayer rituals. The student challenged the school in a High Court case about freedom of religion, which garnered national attention.
The student argued that the school's policy was discriminatory and unfairly targeted her faith due to its ritualistic practices. She argued that the school's prohibition on prayer, a fundamental aspect of Islam, contributed to the alienation of religious minorities in society.
The court heard that the student, identified only as TTT, requested a modest accommodation to pray for approximately five minutes during lunchtime on specific religious dates, without disrupting regular classes. Additionally, she contested what she described were unjust disciplinary actions resulting in temporary suspensions from school.
In response, the school defended its prayer policy as "justified" and "proportionate," citing past threats of violence linked to religious observance on site.
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That's the difference between an educated person and a hypocrite!
Not really, I think Muslims are new to secular schools. Its universally agreed that in secular schools, religion isn't allowed. But they allow students to take holidays like Christmas or Ramadan because those are legal holidays.
What’s the difference?
Ajmal Masroor wrote a stomach churning oped demanding that Tony Blair convert to Islam. If he represents your values, you have no place in Europe.
@@FytFyt-rs9tr
"Religion isn't allowed" is so stupid.
So if a Christian kid says grace at lunch time we kick him out?
Theres a difference between religion in the curriculum and individual *humans* doing things with their own mouths and bodies without disturbing anyone else.
Born and brought up in the UK. I've never had this problem of taking out time to pray at school. What I do during my lunch time was no one's business. Students smoke do drugs bully and misbehave inside the school premise yet the teachers won't interfere as its their break time. Why this hypocrisy.
Secular means non-religious, not anti-religious. Secular elementary schools in UK teach religious studies as a matter of cultural context. Faith-based schools teach one faith
Secular is agenda which was created against religion. I think you need to read history first
Then what does so called discrimination Islamophobic and right to practice religion mean
@@lutonzmn
Discrimination: "the practice of treating somebody or a particular group in society less fairly than others"
Islamophobic: "having or showing a dislike(or fear) of Islam or Muslims, or treating them unfairly"
right to practice religion: "Article 9 protects your right to hold both religious and non-religious beliefs. This is an absolute right which means it can’t be interfered with by the state. Article 9 includes the right to choose or change your religion or beliefs. It also means you can't be forced to have a particular religion. It also protects your right to manifest your beliefs - for example, your right to wear religious clothing, the right to talk about your beliefs or take part in religious worship. The right to manifest your beliefs is qualified. This means it can be interfered with in certain situations - for example, to protect the rights of others." - so if praying somehow would go against the rights of others, which it does not, then and only then could it be interfered with.
However this is clearly an attack against Muslims.
butu okay when they do easter an xmass at the school?
@@josefabuaisheh6262 I already knew what it meant, but you nailed it 👌
This anchor is so uncomfortable cause he knows this dude is debunking each point so easily.
surah 33:40 is a lie about muhammad being a seal of the prophets because nobody can find a prophecy in The Bible with the words of "I will raise up a seal of the prophets" so you are praying to a non existent god.
@@neilsavage8915dunno mate the bible has been edited a plethora of times so you can't exactly rely on it to make sense of anything. The Qur'an has never been edited. Can I ask if you've read an English copy from start to finish? I think you'll find truth in it brother if you just gave it a chance rather than regurgitating what other Christians tell you to regurgitate in terms of ways to debunk the Qur'an.
Brother just read the book and see for yourself 😄 god bless you
You took the words out of my mouth
@@ahmet6144Islam and the Koran is total and utter BS.
Well said
Absolutely cooked!
I had a Jewish coworker who would constantly take days off because they have so many holidays. The company had to accomodate or they'd be sued.
Which country is this? First time hearing something like that
Definitely the USA
Good for him. Why shouldn't he celebrate his Holy Days?
thats hardly comparable to the prayers which take 10 minutes each maximum and are a fundamental part of the religion. I don't think Jews are threatened with punishment for not taking off work on each holiday
Wait, they didnt have a personal shabbos goy to fill in for them? Rofl🤣
So a student asked for 5 minutes at lunchtime to pray and was denied. He should have said I identify as a cat and need 5 minutes alone at lunch to lick myself. They would have probably said yes.
They should pray regardless, search for a corner in the right direction and go. You don't have to pray in a prayer room. On the other hand it would be great for female muslims to be able to pray privately and not being stared at, while being in such submissive positions!
You could bring a cover and hold it to give the females privacy.
Islam is a religion,it's not about race it is for the whole of mankind ,these people thinks all Muslims should belong to the Arabs .
😂
This isn't Joe Rogan take your nonsense gender intolerance elsewhere
That would be wrong two and should also be banned
This is certainly no time to be denying anyone from praying. These students are not harming anyone. But not allowing them to pray is hurting them. Shame on this school. Shame on this country, shame on anyone who targets young people for their political agenda. Children are dying in mass daily, now is the time to pray for everybody!
What a kind and sensible person you seem to be. I see a glimmer of hope knowing there are people like yourself in this world. ❤
Try and impose any sort of secular or other religious practice in any Muslim school or country and see how it goes. I can tell you for a fact it will not be tolerated. So don't attempt to frame this as a moral argument as there is absolutely no grounds to base that on in Islam, they are open about their intolerance. These are just the facts. Also don't attempt to conflate the death of innocent kids with this, it is completely unrelated.
@@corsinivideosMay be you should travel a bit more. I went to school in a Muslim country. Muslim and Christian students sat on the same table and we had a multi faith prayer room! my kids went to school in Dubai where teachers in mini skirts taught hijabi girls, where everyone celebrated Christmas and Eid with pupils. Some non Muslims teachers fasted Ramadan with pupils and Muslim kids sang carols in December. This world needs more tolerance!!!
@@corsinivideoswhen ignorance and hatred meet together.
@@20718Zh nice cherry picked examples. In Saudi Arabia it is literally illegal to convert from being Muslim to Christianity. There are plenty of places all over the Arab world where secularism and other faiths are not allowed to be practiced in schools. So 1 example of a secular school in the UK should not be berated and told it can't practice a secular environment. That is all I'm saying. Places without religion is not an attack on religion, just like places with only Muslims is not an attack on secularism or other religions.
But will they ban Jewish and Christian holidays…
Why? Have they banned Muslim holidays?
@@stevedapom wrong
@@stevedapom Are you talking about bank holidays? What is the relevance of comparing bank holidays to children practicing religion inside schools?
@@agt155ban Christians from praying? Going church during the school day? No the won’t. The school is clearly Islamophobic. Their logic is so easily debunkable
Of course not
Hypocrisy is exposed
If you don't like the uk's rules n how things are done, don't come here...stay in your poverty stricken wastelands, clearly how yall do things clearly isn't working lool
About what? Stop going to pray in rhe middle of classes
@@manazon6945 THEY PRAY IN THEIR BREAK OR LUNCH BREAKS IN THE PLAY GROUND !!
@farzanachoudhary9615 No they don't the headmaster literally said it's OK to pray at lunch but they want to pray 'five times a day." Maybe go and live in a Muslim country if it's so important to them?
We found a racist@@OKnotOK09
I really dont understand the argument of the school. If you say to me as a religious person 'you cant prayer as par your religious teachings in this place because we want you to feel included' how the hell im i supposed to feel included if you are excluding my right to prayer?
I'm comprehensive school educated on the biggest council estate in Europe, rough as and even I understand . You are just being a twat
And you should pray regardless.
💯 makes no sense
They leave the country no one forced you
@@krishnamohan6831 I think the white British folk in your government literally forced people into Britain. After all, they are using British drones in all of the Middle East. I mean, you are complaining about the consequences of your own war crimes.
Don't destroy the Middle East = No Middle Eastern immigration. It's so simple, as long as the white people remain violent occupiers, nothing will change.
What people seem to neglect is that other Muslim students asked to ban Muslim prayers because apparently they were bullied by more religious Muslim pupils because they didn’t want to pray at school. Freedoms seldom come from religions.
As he said in the interview how is it inclusive to exclude people?
Students bully eachothers anyway you don't need to ban EVERYONE from prayer to prevent bullying you only need to have a system that holds these students accountable for bullying whatever the reason be religion , looks whatever you name it
It's just a lame excuse to use to cover her racism and islamophobia
@@MarwanAbdullmaged During the past weeks, there were several « religious » incidents between kids in France. A Muslim girl got beaten up by Muslim boys and girls because she was behaving and dressing immodestly. A Muslim kid got stabbed because he was too integrated according to other Muslim kids. And a few others. All that during Ramadan, which makes me question the religious intentions of the protagonists. I don’t know if you realise it or not, but teachers are simply not paid enough to deal with this BS. I don’t see how the fact that kids purposely break school rules and that their parents encourage them is respectful or tolerant towards the Western values. If religious practices are forbidden for EVERYONE within a school, how is it excluding anyone? Personally, I’m not a racist. I hate everyone equally regardless of people’s origin, sexual orientation, skin colour or religion. But even I’m starting to get fed up that people try to drag us back into religious dictatorships, while it took us centuries to reach a secular societal structure.
@@Danny-yx8ut OK, first of all thank you for your time to reply and explain ur opinion honestly I appreciate it. Of course we could agree that kids are immature and behave irregularly so they shouldn't at all be set as an example of anything. The incidents you describe puzzles me as a Muslim adult man exactly as it puzzles you where THE F are those kids parents? When was a kid If I saw another Muslim committing sinful acts or a Muslim girl dressing immodestly in my schoold I would advice them if they listen gr8 if they didn't well its their choice. Now, about banning religious acts for EVERYONE. we both know that there is bias against Muslims in western countries so the ban wouldn't be so strict or even existent for some students of other religion. Furthermore as the man said wouldn't they still be celebrating Easter? /Christmas? Isn't that religious?. Another point u probably don't get is that a prayer for a Muslim is truly his identity you can't take that away from me u just....can't so banning it is a big deal. And if you ban all religious acts your simply exclusive to everyone but atheists and the nonconservative people of whatever religion.
And if teachers aren't paid enough for this BS then it's a flaw in the system not the prayer
@@MarwanAbdullmaged There are different currents of Islam. While some Muslims fights for a more progressive Islam (especially in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia), some Muslims fight for a more fundamentalist interpretation of Islam. Most of my Muslim friends (from countries like Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey, Albania, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE) almost never pray. Does it mean they are less Muslim because daily prayers are not part of their personal identity? I personally don’t think so. There is of course Islamophobia in Western countries. Racism is present everywhere. However it is also extremely difficult to accommodate everyone in a heterogenous society and make everyone happy. As I said in my previous comment, integrated Muslim pupils were bullied by more religious Muslim pupils. No one is happy in that situation, because there’s no right solution. School personnel must protect the individual freedoms of everyone without being labelled as intolerant racists. However, when you send your kids to a secular school, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you are not religious. It simply means that you leave your religion at the doorstep while you are at school. If religion takes a big part of your life and you need to pray several times a day, dress in a specific way, then a secular school is clearly not for you and you should look up for religious schools. And it’s perfectly fine, no need to make a big deal out of it. A secular school should apply its internal rules and protect the pupils who comply. As for the Christian holidays such as Passover and Christmas, they have been stripped of all their religious sense already to accommodate everyone, so it’s a very bad example.
@Danny-yx8ut a Muslim who doesn't pray isn't really Muslim at all
I would love to explain why I disagree with (some) of ur statements but I really don't have energy 😅 so yeah have a nice day
In a day and age, where we worry about the many wrongs that children can be involved in, they have chosen to ban children from praying.
It's incredible really.
And it takes less than 5 mins.
The girl wanted permission to pray I the middle of teaching hours. It's like "where are you going Abu, I still teaching" and when she lost the case, she modified her statement. It causes disturbances and motivates other students to take these Impromptu breaks as well.
The case is fully on display on the school website.
@@manazon6945 Well instead of banning prayer altogether, they could have directed her to pray during the lunch break.
I had heard that kids were praying individually in the playground, and were stopped from doing so for their safety. When they asked for a room to pray, their request was denied.
@@manazon6945 Another thing to note is that praying takes less than 5 mins. About the same time it would take if a student asked to use the washroom during class. But I can understand a teacher not wanting a student to leave during class.
And It was during lunch break
You go to a school that reflects your religious beliefs if you want to 'live' your religion throughout the SCHOOL day.
But if he wanted to come to school as a female, that would be tolerated. Why one and not the other? Aren't they both about identity expression?
Exactly 👏🏻
They're not saying they can't go to the school just they don't get special privileges.
Nope, that's not allowed there as well.
Well the headteacher is one of thw "anti=woke" lot so she probs wouldn't be ok with that either.
@@dec3142 sanity prevails!
Ireland broke the empire for a reason .
Saoirse don Phalaistin.
Ireland >>>>>>> England . Any day of the week
Saoirse Don Phalaistín mo chara
🇮🇪🕊️🇵🇸
That place doesn't even exist clown
And India
Did they do similar things to Catholic Irish kids?
He checkmated each and every one of the headteacher's arguments. Very well said.
No he did not, lol, one child does not come before everyone else.
Nope, he didn't. He didn't answer why Muslim kids wanted to go to such a school in the first place. Why special rights to be given to Muslims? Why do Muslims Kids want to pray in school not at home or in a mosque?
@@user-iy3mw9ul1e It's not just ''one child'' though now is it? It's all muslim childeren who wanted to pray and it was many of them. He definately checkmated all the points. Especially about being secular and imposing MultiCultrlism but by denying religious prayer is being a hypocrite.
Did we watch the same video or were u able to do a bit of mental gymnastics to shift your perception on how secularism actually works. @@user-iy3mw9ul1e
Half of them didn't want to pray though. The whole issue started when some religious nutjobs started shaming the rest of the kids for being bad Muslims.
So why do they do the nativity, Christmas and Easter?
They have Christian culture since ages. Who are you to question and look for previledges?. What if Christians or people from other religious groups organise prayer in an open space in school, how would you feel about it- you would whine then saying it's against your faith and must be banned
It’s been celebrated in this country for nearly 1000yrs. Christian or not, it is the historical culture of this country. Like it or not 🤷♂️
Because we've been having nativity plays at Christmas for centuries not a problem until you clowns arrived now it's a problem see what I mean
@@Noplace4haters Because the point was they don't want ANY religion in a secular school. That includes Christmas and Easter. No one is against Christians or any other religions praying. You people just do don't do it. Hell make an attached church to every school and no Muslim would give a shit. How is it against my faith that you pray? I rather have you pray then be a degenerate atheist on tiktok following these useless rappers/artists. No way you are this thick.
@@Noplace4hatersbecause being hypocrites are the norm in the west. People are sheep they follow things what they don't understand.
Bravo! Well said from our brother
This is an appalling decision against secularism. Secularism allows the freedom to practice any faith, to deny such a basic human and religious right is non British..Shame on the school and Shame on the judge for such a poor decision
Exactly!
Can't wait to see what happens when she denies an LGBTQ+ pupil their freedom of choosing their gender/ sex and so on.
Wrong, secularism bans religion, read a dictionary!
Have you heard what the headteacher and her staff have had to endure? The welfare of the school as a whole takes priority. Something beyond 5 mins praying was a play here and it was undermining the functioning of the school.
Incorrect, secularism allows the private practice of faith and in some circumstances the public. It does not compel all schools to adhere to every religious practice
Islam is not only a religion - it is also a political system.
How can a prayer hurt a school and it takes only 5minutes
By others watching and my want to try, my children will not learn religion.
@@user-iy3mw9ul1e so itll hurt the school because your kids might be more accepting? makes sense.
@@user-iy3mw9ul1e clearly we have a supportive parent here. its their life to do as they wish not yours whether you like it or not.
why are there no catholic, protestant or even orthodox chapels in schools? why not?... let's all pray together in a secular institution where we have to learn sciences like mathematics, chemistry and physics... EUROPE EVOLVED EXACTLY BECAUSE THESE PLACES DO NOT EXIST IN THE TEMPLE OF SCIENCE... in school we have to WORSHIP science and arts... not religion... and Europe had inquisition .... so a prayer can hurt very much ... ... read about inquisition ;) (especially in Spain)
@@JohnnySmith-to7jw well, thats because nobody asked for them, and because christians don't have specific prayer times as we do as muslims. it doesnt disrupt anyones learning by letting people freely practice their religion as long as it doesnt harm anyone.
The school head teacher is clearly wrong and bossy.
Cheers to the little girl.
Have you seen the grades the school gets? Very naive comment.
@@KX-12345that means the school have good teachers. The grades doesn't mean the head would always be morally correct
Nope. That girl wanted to try pray in the middle of class
@@MrDodgeNDiveshe is morally superior than anyone who wants to disturb the decorum of the class
@@manazon6945 Explain how praying by yourself is disturbing the decorum of the class? She pray at lunch in the yard, she was told she can't pray outside for security concerns. So she asked if she can pray in the school and she's also prohibited from doing so?
She's not bothering anyone else by praying IN HER OWN TIME at lunch. It takes 5-10 mins max to pray.
The head being 'morally superior' for banning prayer is laughable.
I can't stand organised religion, but he made excellent points. How is it inclusive to exclude prayer!
The school is not a place for religion. Take it elsewhere.
@@GW-jw9vs ban food and water as well. school isn't a place to eat or drink. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE.🤡
Why is the school secular? who voted? isnt this a democracy?
@@GW-jw9vslol its a secular school. Do you even know what secular means?
@@GW-jw9vswe have times we need to pray in,we can’t just stay 8 hours in school with no prayer, how does it distrupt school if i go to a secluded corner for 5 mins in between classes to pray?
#All Muslims stop voting for labour
#stop paying for ur bbc tv licence
Go live in an islamic country
Muslims paying for TV licence, 😂😂😂
Muslims cannot vote for labour or tories. Both are anti muslim. So who do they vote for now? or do they not vote at all?
Muslims..... leave those kids alone.
All muslims practice in muslim countries this is U.K. The labour party is not here to serve muslims there are other cultures here may i remind you .
Minority background or not, a lot of Indian women want to be accepted into whiteness
🤣🤣🤣
They think otherwise. They think whites or in general everyone is trying to be accepted in brownness but do not want to accept it.
whiteness ha ha ha you guys
@Somaliaonenation Cruella Braverman
Coconuts
You know when something is true like Islam, without any actual threat , they feel threatened! God help them see the light!
Lol bunch of muslim kids bullying other muslim kids for not praying, is that taught in zislam?
Why do you say it is true ? On what basis? I say you’re Brain washed.
Honestly no one gives a crap about your religion , it’s supposed to be a person thing but there are some idiots who simply use it for wicked purpose . If you can’t follow the secular school rules then go study somewhere else .
@nil6226 true on the basis of logic. Other religious texts are self contradicting. The only book that itself claims to be free of contradictions is the Quran. Now you can call someone names or address the matter at hand, but coming from someone that has looked into the contradictions (to the extent where having one or two major ones is a big big deal for anyone looking to establish objective truth), I’d only encourage you to do the same, for your own sake.
We don’t know each other, and you owe me nothing. But I’d like to remind that everyone owes themselves the truth, and that is why I invite you to read the Quran. I cannot compel you to believe in it, but I will say that shall you be sincere in discovering the truth of this life, you will do what’s required (and yes, that would mean studying all books if that’s what it takes).
May the one true God be your guidance.
Islam is not true. They don't feel threatened. The girl wanted permission to pray I the middle of teaching hours. It's like "where are you going Abu, I still teaching" and when she lost the case, she modified her statement.
The case is fully on display on the school website.
The student "requested a modest accommodation to pray for approximately five minutes during lunchtime on specific religious dates, without disrupting regular classes." The authorities said, no.😹
The student had bullied another (Muslim) student for not praying. Was imposing criticism and a different way of practising their religion towards the girl she was reprimanding/bullying. That was removing the freedom of self determination, her beliefs/religion and way to practice/live by them, peace, contentment from the other girl. 'requested' and 'modest' was not true to her previous behaviour. Also the judges evaluation and evidence represented that students, parents that wished to enrol, attend the school were told before applying that there wasn't a prayer room, that it's a secular school, that it was a stricter 'behaviour' school where 'team' focus was there ethos. So parents, child knew what the situation was, however yes, later a ban on praying, however it was still inline with their understanding, how the head, staff promoted the school.
Just another attempt to change our laws and way of life , chipping away slowly slowly
@@leafy803 To be fair, we don't need a prayer room. We can pray anywhere as long as it's clean! Muslims should not bully other Muslims into doing anything, however they are obligated to friendly remind them of their duties and to live by example. And especially when you see the other person being drawn to Haram things, that might destroy their life, we have to remind them to come back.
However you are right, bullying is definetley not allowed as Islam promotes free will. It is important that everybody makes their own decisions and if someone is willingly sinning, it is between them and Allah.
All of this, however does not give the government or the school the right to ban self expression. And Praying is a form of self expression. You cannot ban, a physical activity that is an integral part of islamic culture and that does not hurt or disrupt anyone!
@@leafy803 Sorry your comment is not visible, I can only see the preview. Now from what I think you were going with, yes obviously school must prepare you for the life after school, and it will make you ready for the workplace or to higher education or creating your business. However it should not change your fundemental believes, if you don't want them to be changed. Religious freedom is a must in a secular environment. And religious people would not abandon their faith, just because the law says it.
The only way religious freedom can't be granted if it somehow hurts another person, which to my recent history no religion does.
@@josefabuaisheh6262 My comment.. My experience of secondary school (90s) was that its to prepare you for the work place and adulthood. Discipline, representing the schools behavioural, work values, a mature approach to your behaviour, studying and dress code. (I agree with religious headwear, clothing) My reason for explaining is, that is often professionalism, neutrality of your self expression in the physical and behavioural, even potentially beliefs. That at school or work, the ethos, focus is as a team not the individual. Team ethos was what this headteacher spoke of.
The judge evaluated that 'Islam permits the Claimant to make up for missing Duhr by performing Qada prayers later in the day. '
I think reminding the girl to pray, from my perspective is potentially removing the girls freedom of choice, expression, by adding pressure or potentially shaming or fear of criticism or fear of exclusion from friends/family/community into conforming, not to decide what's right for herself, her beliefs. Every family, person is different from every religion / secular, but theirs potential for some children to be more vulnerable or submissive to pressure. Which reminding could be. Time spent in a neutral environment may give the child breathing space to determine their beliefs. Especially if in Secondary school and has a more developed understanding of their faith so they can then evaluate their decisions. Here it was bullying, to me that's then potentially harmful to her self determination, confidence, depends on the child, family and open non judgemental, non consequential discussion within the family.
oh...what a liberal democracy....full of liberty and freedom of expression...the veil has been lifted, ba....rds.
If you don't like LEAVE.
I must wonder if this is only British.
Never met anything like this in canada
Or if this is even British at all or if this is one isolated case.
My religion requires me to pray 100 times a day and ignore teachers and coerce other children into becoming part of my tribe. How dare anyone and fringe upon my religious rights
@@scoopblsso practise it.
@@scoopbls Islam only requires praying 5 times a day, 10 minutes a prayer at max, 5 minutes the fastest. Only 2 of them are in school time, one barely covers lunch time, the other can be done after school.
It would only be hypocrisy if the school allowed other faiths to pray. As the school is not doing that it is not hypocrisy.
Other faiths require a long prayer, however, Muslims are required to pray 5 times per day. These prayers are 5- 10 mins long. People following other faiths are not affected by this rule, but the Muslims are.
@@HAZ-dy2nn Your statment supports my comment. Christians pray in a church or can say their graces quietly. The same applies to Jewish people and others. Hindus pray during Diwali. They don't have to pray every day at certain times like the Muslims. The religious people you have described don't have to pray every day at specific times. They don't have to pray in a certain direction and follow some steps. I have not seen any person of faith from an y religion who is required to pray the same way that Muslims do. Even you admit that in your comment.
If I turned upto class and said I now identify as a Rabbit, then this would be accepted and celebrated.
Not in that school.
No, they would take you away to a certain institution, because you are considered deranged.
Excuse my ignorance. I have never needed accommodations provided by someone else to pray. What am I missing? It’s your lunch please pray
I Agree. Its lunchtime, you can pray anywhere, except the toilet, just pray on a mat it only takes 10 minutes of your OWN time. Not school time. Whats the problem. This is a nightmare school what next, you cant wear a turban or a bangle to school, you cant talk!
I agree, they cannot enforce the ban. Pray anywhere really, except the toilet!
My understanding was that they didn't even allow the students to pray in the park during their free time.
Yes they stopped them from praying in the yard on their coats and when the child then said can you provide a prayer space then? The school says no.
@@M1X491thats precisely what the children were doing and the school said its unsafe for them to pray in the yard so the students asked for a space to pray and the school said no. So basically they're clearly making it impossible for them to pray
The establishment can try as they will to divide the people, but we have never been so united in history. Fuck there bans.
Kids are kids they should be playing in playground with other kids getting to know different cultures, learning social skills. When one group goes off to pray and the rest don't that's what divides kids. A them and us. I grew up here and I can tell you I'm glad my parents were secular.
@@naturealbumslol i work at school and that's definitely not how they are. Infact kids are alot more accepting and respectful as they are not prejudiced in their thinking like you.
They've been brainwashed to accept shit as normal
I agree! We should not let the people divide us!
@@naturealbums So what you are saying is that they only get to know them if they abandon their faith and culture? Praying is an integral part of muslim culture. If you deprive Non-Muslims of seeing it, you deprive them from getting to know a different culture. And you discriminate against a religious group, that is obliged by God to pray 5 times a day. Ban or not, they should continue to pray.
Rather odd, I do not see the hypocrisy.
As far as I'm aware, during the 80s, 90s, & 00s, schools didn't have prayer times allocate for a specific groups. Nor did anyone or the parents ask for prayer rooms & time to be allocated to pray.
School was for schooling, not their personal beliefs, for their own private time.
Seems everyone and every minority group nowadays want special privileges. That festers division, not cohesion.
I do not believe anyone is as devout to their religion as they make out to be. If they were, they would never have enrolled in a secular school knowing full well they will not accommodate their prayer times. In such cases best to find a private religious oriented school. Or better yet, find a religious nation of your choosing that best suits your needs, than living in whatever that supposed pseudo-secular nation is. As I've heard Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Malaysia, Indonesia have some of the best international schools available.
1. What if parents chose the school bc they don't care but student became religious and wavy to pray? Has nothing to do with the parents.
2. All countries have immigration laws. You can't just move wherever you want and not everyone can transfer their job to those countries.
@@yasminea7149
Well, if the child became religious after the fact, they should be smart enough to understand the school has rules, that apply to everyone, no exceptions. Do not automatically expect to get concessions or special privileges because of a supposed social status.
There are many instances of parents, every year obtaining a property in different district to gain access to preferred schools for their child. A parent will move mountains to give their child the best possible opportunities for them to succeed.
A motivated parent will do whatever it takes to accomplish their task. A country, a job, a visa, will be no obstacle.
If they will not or cannot, well too bad.
@@yasminea7149i don't know sister, it is more important to practice the deen than to stay in a place where we are not allowed to practice the deen. Prayer is obligatory, Hijab is obligatory. If we live in a place that doesn't allow that, then we have to perform hijrah (if we have the ability). Maybe if you can still practice your deen, it is still permissible to live there, but if not, why whould you still stay there?
Rasulullah literally said:
"I am not responsible for any Muslim who stays among musyrik/non muslim"
Allah also said in Al Ankabut:56
"O My believing servants! My earth is truly spacious, so worship Me ˹alone˺".
This ayah was for people in Mecca who didn't want to perform hijrah to Medina. Allah literally mentions "my earth is truly spacious", so don't worry about job or rizq, you can find rizq in other places too.
Living in moslem countries would be very beneficial for muslim, you can find the community that can help to strengthen our eeman, we can find many islamic classes taught in every masjid, halal food everywhere, holidays for muslim day like Eid, etc.
The school informs all parents of their secular tdeology. They all eat a vegetarian diet for example. If the parents dont like that why enrol your child? There are very good Muslim schools in London. Can i even practice my chosen religion in some middle eastern countries.
Yes, you can practice your religion in Muslim countries. They have plenty of other religious houses of worships and its been like that for centuries. In fact, when Jews were persecuted in Europe for centuries, they fled to Muslim nations and not only practiced their religion but flourished there.
Yes, you can. Millions of non Muslims live and practice just fine their beliefs in Islamic countries.
I applied for a job in a middle eastern country and was told i would hae to sign a piece of paper saying i would not practice my chosen religion, I could not honestly sign it, so did not go.
@@sandraowens4821 I highly doubt that. Sounds like a made up story. Since, millions of people with other faith(s) work and live just fine practicing their beliefs in the Middle East.
@@sandraowens4821 te quoquo fallacy. "well i cant be --- in ----- so YOU (someone with no control over a foreign country) cant be ---- in MY ----". absolute troglodyte..
The presenter is a clown 🤡
Well he is really helping him make his point. Maybe a good thing to need it to simply spelt out
Remember the days when he reported from israel after oct 7… disgusting..
Would they also be banning Genociders
Obviously not , the girl in question is a Muslim
Hamas?
Xmas and easter are public holidays - so thats not even an argument to have
In a world of such sorrow and pain why stop people from praying? In fact more prayers are needed.
Reverse this and see the outcome…if every Christian kid says I wanna pray to god during day interfering with Muslim classes the Muslims would scream …nooooo my human rights are being abused
You’ve got it completely wrong there. I as a practicing Muslim and have been taught in my religion that all religions have the right to practice their religion and as Muslims we have to respect that. This is the teaching of Islam so please don’t use your guess works here. One may make mistakes due to their ignorance but that does not mean that the entire religion or their people are at fault.
The girl wanted permission to pray I the middle of teaching hours. It's like "where are you going Abu, I still teaching" and when she lost the case, she modified her statement. The schools said Makin a separate prayer room was not possible. The students are STILL allowed to pray during lunch break. Stop falling for propaganda.
The case is fully on display on the school website.
Lies
The parents of this girl knew the rules before enrolling her in the school, if they wanted her be allowed to pray then why enroll in this school.
obviously. If you go to muslim lands, they expect us to "respect" their beliefs.... when muslims come to our lands, they still expect us to "respect" their beliefs. There is no compromise - only conquest.
Sounds like they would be better staying in Islamic countries and don't come to Europe.
Sounds like a good plan. Now if only the UK would stop bombing those same islamic countries..
It can be argued the other way- European colonised and impacted on countries. European have imposed their cultures in Australia, N. Zealand, USA, Canada. No one says to them go back to Europe. This arguement is shit- go back. Why should we?
If the girl can't pray for Five minutes then they should consider scrapping Easter and Xmas holidays!!
I an sure that is coming. We used to have Christian assemblies in all schools in Britain, although no one was forced to attend. ,
Why would they listen to you? Their grades are top so they don't need your advice with respect.
They nee3d our money though to pay their legal bills.
Why did her parents not pay for her legal bills? Do they have housing benefit? pay their council tax? they have obviouslyu benefited from the education at the school if her grades are top. Now they think they are a bit superior!
@@KX-12345what's the grades got to do with making a terrible moral call?
Lol he is very good in debates. I hope he gets to speak on ongoing oppression on bigger platforms
The British system of structure was giving space for every religious culture but since recently it seems it is evading slowly. How a child praying is threat to the whole school
I believe the person answering should had defence the case in court
Wont make difference as the judge is Islamphobe and Head teacher is Suella bravaman best buddy ans helped her set up the school. For all we know the judge is a friend of Suella from her kaw practising days
I don’t believe that a school should accommodate anybody to pray. Whatever there background is, You should be in school to learn not pray. As a society, we have become a bit more controversial whether you’re on the right side, Left side Or in the centre.
Why not?.At least it's keeping you out of mischief. Next we'll have drug pushers wanting to take drugs without hindrance.
Then the schools shouldn't be giving easter and Christmas holidays too if they are banning a specific group of ppl from practicing there religion in free time I might add( and it literally takes five mins for Muslims to pray)then ban christians and Jews rights to celebrate there religion too it's pretty clear Muslims aren't given there rights as compared to Jews and christians this is just hypocrisy either you ban all religious things or you ban none if you ban one that just shows the racism and double standards
100%
Prayer helps to nurture you to avoid evil.You become at peace .you introspect.Those who are against it show their state of mind.Why are they so scared of prayer.Moreover their not asking during classes but during lunch breaks
@@ibrahimwaka3916 They are frightened of prayer because schools are principally used for indoctrination, thinly veiled as education. When we pray we are reminded of God and are aligning ourselves with Him. Schools, especially Government schools, want children to only have love and loyalty to the State, not to their parents, not to their ancestors and most definitely NOT to God.
But no one is praying at this school🤷♀️ I’m Christian, I payed with my children and granddaughter morning before leave home, at night before bed and at Mass on Sundays. 🕊✝️❤️🙏🏻
So it is okay because people don't normally pray at this school? It's like asking a Sikh to remove their turban, it's very inappropriate. That turban is part of their identity, or perhaps part of their body even. It's appalling how can people not see this "extreme secularism" as a problematic views.
muslims have to pray at certain times, it is fundamental to their faith. to deny them this is to deny them their faith, which breaks your rights under article 9.
@@omariobroso does Jews and orthodox Christians . They also have to pray at specific times. Muslims think that only they have specific times to pray. So should the school make rooms for all of these religions. What about Buddhists, Hindus, Baha’i faith, the Parsis, Jains , Sikhs?
@@omariobro Fixed prayer times, praying at dedicated times during the day, are common practice in major world religions such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
@@omariobro Jewish law requires Jews to pray thrice a day; the morning prayer is known as Shacharit, the afternoon prayer is known as Mincha, and the evening prayer is known as Maariv.[1]
The girl can pray at home or quietly pray by herself.
The fact that she wants to organise a prayer group shows she or who ever is behind her is out to make a political point.
They want to impose their values on the school and the general population .
Instead of making points , trying to impose on the school she could go to another school that follows the tradition she wants
Tell me your uneducated without telling me your uneducated there are five prayers each prayer has a specific time you can't pray at your own time Muslims are suppose to pray there prayers on time the only time the prayer is not obligated is if they are really sick or injured and can't pray how can she pray at home when the prayer she's supposed to pray happens at the time when she's in school what's wrong with you seriously it's literally lunch time so what's the harm in these kids praying in lunch time it literally takes five or ten mins
There are 3 solutions :
She can say the prayer quietly to herself on her own.
She could make up when she goes home which is allowed
Or she can go to a school that allows public prayer,
Thsts it.
They knew very well that this school is secular and does not permit Public prayer. They are just trying to make a point and force the school to do what they want
@@kpopfan8109 You can pray at your own time. That is how it is followed in every Islamic country including Saudi. Why are you doing Taquiyya?
@@magdanos1 That child is not attempting to impose their values on you you ignoramus. Also, learn to spell before making such asinine assumptions next time! 😊
@@vinsin328 wth are you talking about if your not Muslim then don't tell me about islam and if your a Muslim then are you stupid don't you know the basics you can't pray at your own time that's not how this works each prayer happens at a time
Like fajr zohar asar maghrib and esha
All these prayers happen at a specific time
You can't pray at your own time it's not your own choice when to pray or not Allah has commanded to pray the prayers on there time..you don't change Islam to fit you you change yourself to fit islam there are rules and obligations that are to be followed and one of those include praying five times and praying on time
I live in a Islamic country so don't tell me I have visited another Islamic country as well keep your bs to yourself
The girls that decided to pray in the school playground area also weren't happy when other girls who weren't Muslim wanted to use that area as it was originally intended and tried to prevent them from being there. Slippery slope.
Every religion is represented there but none has more influence than the other. Its a secular school and as he said everyone knows what that means. If that isnt for you, attend a religious school, lots to chose from.
I agree with 99% of ME videos but not this one im afraid.
The point is, it's not secular. Can't people understand that?
Holidays such as Christmas and Easter are religious holidays and schools let children have time off. Were they truly secular, they wouldn't have these.
Yet more hipocrisy and double standards by people who can't accept the face of society changing and want to maintain the status quo which is outdated, biased and only breeds exclusion rather than inclusion which is what 'secularism' is supposed to do by treating people of ALL faiths equally, which is NOT the case and never has been. At least since I was at school many decades ago.
"The girls that decided to pray in the school playground area also weren't happy when other girls who weren't Muslim wanted to use that area as it was originally intended and tried to prevent them from being there. Slippery slope. "----- If this is true, you made a good point. The school could have addressed this problem differently though.
They want one rule for them another for everybody else
Christians. Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs all pray at my universities multi faith space. We respect each others right to religious expression and practise freedom.
Prove it
Promote LGBTQIA+ Ban Prayers in our schools
Muslims hate discrimination until it’s homosexuals and LGBTQ folks lol
Wow iv seen few of his debates of mr ajmol and he really says some excellent valid questions and answers. 🎉
Would this headteacher and her school do this with Jewish children?
Stupidest comment of all. Do you know what secular means? Also, if Jewish kids were going to such a high performing school they would accept whatever rules as it's obviously working. All that will happen is the head teacher will be driven out and grades would plummet.
Of course not, that would be ✨ antisemitic ✨
@@rodam4991 Not Israel actively fueling global antisemitism 😮
Only Muslim say n want to change everything keep yr god in yr heart went coming to school that's what everybody doing
@@HAZ-dy2nn they don't do it in school its a place to study
Some people don’t understand they have to respect the traditions and values of the countries they live in… simply
The problems arise when your values only apply to one part of society while rejecting all others.
This is called hipocrisy and should be highlighted in all cases, including this one.
@@abcd1537 the part that must be respected us of the one of the lane… not of our guests
@@abcd1537 you come to my house you have to respect it… pretty straightforward
Well i kinda agree. I am moslem myself and i live in moslem majority country. I can't understand why some moslems choose to move to the western countries when they are clearly not a moslem friendly country. I can understand if you move there only for school/training and then after that going back to your moslem country, but mostly what they do they stay permanently even try to get the citizenship. I mean some countries literally ban moslem to practice their religion, they don't allow hijab or prayer, even they don't allow jum'ah prayer. Finding halal food is also not easy. How can you choose to live in a place like that? While in the moslem country, you are free to practice your deen, you can find halal food everywhere, you can find mosques & prayer room everywhere (in my country, every gas station even has prayer room, almost all restaurants also provide prayer room, almost all building provide prayer room, etc), on Friday we have a long lunch break from 11:30 to 1:30 this is to accomodate wo want to perform jum'ah prayer, we also have national holidays for every moslem's day even on Eid we have 2 weeks holiday, etc. So i am glad i was born here and stay here.
If a moslem really care about their religion, he should find a place that makes him closer to God and a place that allows him to practice the deen
Perfect example of preconceived assumptions that blind you from being rational. Your above statement assumes that these kids are immigrants, I would argue the majority were born in the UK just like yourself. So why do you think your values and traditions are the golden standard? This is the bi-product of colonialism, so if you want someone to blame, blame your ancestors.
Cherry picking outrage on muslim prayers !
And the stupid don't understand why......
Man is trying so hard to think of a way to turn it back on the Muslim he’s seconds away from blurting out, “Do you condemn Hamas”?
Good stuff. Freedom for all
Freedom to you means a free for all?
Sharia is far from freedom.
Turns out Braverman is on the board! No surprise there 🫤
Would they impose a ban on Jewish or Christian prayer?
They don't need to worry about those religions bc most of their followers are secular. Islam however is a problem for them bc the religion is growing and Muslims refuse to secularize Islam as was done to other religions.
The Muslim guy is full of it. Nobody owes him anything. If he wants to pray five times a day that's his business and it's not incumbent on anyone else to enable him or make him "feel" safe.
Yes but as a teacher, it is my job to make all students under my care feel safe and included and I would happily try my best to do it.
@358saf88 Who says it's your job to make kids feel safe? That's ridiculous. It's your job to teach them the basics.
@seanhammer6296 literally the government? I've lost count of how many training courses I have received on the 'safeguarding' of students under our care. Both physical safeguarding and mental. If Ofsted came to our school and believed our students didn't feel safe while here, we would fail the inspection, regardless of how great our teaching is. Regardless, knowing students spend most of their weekday awake hours with us, it's nice to ensure they are happy to be there.
@358saf88 Ya, I get that, but my question was more of an indictment of the bureaucracy than anything. The world is being run by a bunch of Communist Karens like all the UA-cam/social media censors and it's beyond ridiculous at this point. I saw a video of a teacher, in America, just stand there and let one student completely pummel another student. Something about she wasn't "allowed" to touch the student. Just the idiot Karen bureaucracy run amok.
He is a taxpayer. We as subject in this country have a right to practise our faith. The law gives him the right
Oh my God they are scared of children praying. But they aren't scared of children using drugs. What a messt up world we live in. God help us Ameen.
How is the headteacher saying school policy is above the law of the land? If school policy was to kill a student every year, would that take precedent over the law?
Mash’Allah this dude just debunked every single point with ironclad facts. The host went from our value to her value real quick.
Christmas is celebrated worldwide by atheists and non-christians alike. Its not an exclusively Christian holiday. So no.
@@eazyrat "Christmas (which means “The Mass of Christ”) is a Christian holiday that celebrates the birth of Jesus Christ, who Christians believe is the Son of God.", It is a religious holiday.
@@eazyratathiest celebrating a religious holiday is 😂😂
@@ParrotPentester that's how it started yes, points for you. However christmas is celebrated as part of British culture secularly. Islamic holidays aren't celebrated thank Jesus and there's nothing secular about them, quite the opposite, and that's the point.
@@MekkaMehamedi non-Christian theists also celebrate Christmas too. What's your point? There's a grey area with religion and culture.
Anyone can say a prayer anytime inside their head. You do not need to publicly lay down a mat and make a show of your devotion.
Exactly but there's no merit in that doesn't suit their agenda
Some pray in their head, others pray for 5 mins on a mat. Why should we make a big deal about either of them?
@@ozlemsuleyman9760I know. I need to cover the mat prayers' work when they take their prayer breaks.
@@JosephB-tv7gf I am so sorry that you need to do additional work for the 5-10 mins that the person prays. I bet no one takes a coffee or a smoke break in your office. You don't need to cover for any one except those who pray.
@@ozlemsuleyman9760Thanks. It is llloonnggggerr than that; 30 min average. The person who prays goes to the special prayer room. Twice per shift. (namely; we do his work and ours for one hour).
Coffee breaks are twice per 12hr shift, as regulated by UK law, during which time smokers can smoke, and our work is covered by the cover guard.
When you have an ignorant person running anything you are bound to create such a distasteful situation...
People need holidays. Children don't need to be brainwashed. Maybe we should return to the old 'pagan' festivals which are non-divisive. At Xmas we could celebrate the old Roman Winter Solstice festival Dies Natalis Solis Invicti or birthday of Sol Invuctus, the 'invincible sun'. Without the sun there is no life. The sun is the bringer of life.
This week 99% of my comments has been intercepted by youtube 😂 so i have no comments here
lol, join the club....
Muslim bro’s processor speed and eloquence is out of this world. Masya Allah
All religious prayers are not allowed in Michaela Community School, what makes the muslim prayer stand out?,
The school has a clear policy. It was in place before this Muslim decided to become a pupil. Prayers are to be kept outside of the school. Since the parents knew the policy why did they enrol him? They should have chosen a different school. The children attend to learn not to be indoctrinated into any religion
Yes but these muslims want to impose there religion in the school they don't want to follow the school policy.
Im all for religious beliefs but keep them at home
Spoken like a true secular or atheist who thinks one can pick and choose which part of religion and God's commitments to follow.
So what he's saying is the whole school holiday schedule should be changed because one child has tried to force a school to give them exceptional treatment? (They don't sing the national anthem in school so that's a mute point)
Now UK would be regretting their liberal immigration policy. but too late UK . That is why Modi Government in India introduced CAA.
Who voted for secularism to be the leader?
Who voted for Britain to be multicultural?
@@MRW515 Colonialism.
@@user-uq1ruewrer Islamic colonialism?
@@MRW515No white colonialism and kidnapping people and making them your slaves.
@@MRW515whats that lmao
The toys out of the pram brigade waaaah waaaahing again. 🙄
You mean the "semi-secular when it suits her" dictator of a headmistress?
Everyone can now see the difference between the children who are brought up in stable homes , pray , and are respectful towards teachers and the ones who are the opposite after the incidence in Wales, the stabbing of a teacher.😮😮😮
Part of the problem at this particular school was that certain, more extreme Muslim pupils were coercing the less obervant Muslims into praying and fasting for Ramadan when they didn't want to. That all stopped when the ban was imposed, so the ban helped ease those tensions.
Brilliant responses from the Muslim man.
Well said and well done on exposing the hypocrisy.
Vote reform
Look at the smirk on that petty and pathetic anchor face when brother said "militant extremist"! Open news to everyone like him, ISLAM will keep flourishing until ALLAH (S.W.T) wills it to and no matter how much propaganda, lies, blames, accusations, and evil you throw, it will only be for your own downfall. ALHAMDULILLAH for being a Muslim and from the Ummah of prophet Mohammed (S.A.W).
Isa means salvation of man, Islam is the worship of Christ.
@@user-iy3mw9ul1e whoever told you is a petty pathetic liar and islamophobe and for you to believe blindly without researching is a sign of stupidity and blind beleif (majority of today's Christians fall into that category). Research, acquire knowledge and then spread the truth. Read the Holy Quran even if it's a page or two with open heart and mind and inshallah you will be guided to the straight path. Don't take it from me, ask millions of reverts from Christianity to the true religion of our creator Islam.
Identity crisis and non-arab converted Muslim, I can bet that is what you are?
@@user-iy3mw9ul1e get educated and correct your definitions unless fear of Islam is eating you from inside.
@@DEEN-E-ISLAM-TawheedRepulsion is a better word
I'm not sure I understand the correlation between holidays (which previously may have had a religious meaning, but which are now viewed as holidays) and banning prayer in a secular school. If you want to pray, surely you would go to a faith school.
You were warned. Everyone treated equally.
That is against Islam.
Look up Singapore my country. We are multi-racial harmony, we co-exists together well despite differences religious and faith
Yeah, but you have school-uniforms, which must not be altered in any way (for religious reasons, for example). I remember the case of a Muslim father so five or six years ago, who wanted his daughter to wear a hijab at elementary. This was denied by the school and in court and when he insisted, he was arrested, sentenced to 2 years in prison and the child was taken under the responsibility of the state. He effectively lost any right to his daughter's upbringing. And as far as I know, speaking badly about other religions also leads to jail-terms and possibly even caning in Singapore.
A lot of nonesense to prevent people from praying.
This video needs more context. It's impossible to know what happened.
The girl was praying outside at lunch time and was told she wasn't allowed. So she asked for a corner in the classroom for five minutes during lunch and was denied. I've been there and I'm glad my teachers were accommodating. No interrupting any lessons, etc.
Thanks for the context
They are scared of "replacement" lol
Glad you find that funny. It was a mistake to allow your kind at all.
@@GW-jw9vs the only mistake was you getting rid of people who now are terrorizing Palestinians pretending to be the 'chosrn uber-men-sch'
The lion will roar soon , and some will cry
@@GW-jw9vs Are you actually scared of "replacement"? Be honest!
Let me assure you, the obligation of every Muslim is to spread the message.
Spreading the message not forcing anyone to become Muslim. God has many names. For example Al-Rahman and Al-Rahim. Both are often translated as "most merciful, the eternally merciful". However Al-Rahman is the unconditional mercy of Allah to all it's creations, regardless of their faith and their actions. It is the concept of complete free will. You can choose to believe and do whatever you deem right! It is also this mercy that allows people to commit the most atrocious crimes.
Al-Rahim is the mercy that is saved for those who believe in him, that repent their sins, and that turn to God for guidance. It is the mercy that forgives, that tests and that rewards the believers.
So even though we would like you and everyone else in this world to be able to receive the Mercy of Al-Rahim, we are forbidden to force you. And we are obligated to let you live your choice as long as you don't fight us or threaten our lives. And Allah knows best.(Muslims say that to ensure that only God knows if everything we say is 100% correct)
Quran 2:256
"Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing."
Quran 109:1-6
"Say, "O disbelievers,"
"I do not worship what you worship."
"Nor are you worshippers of what I worship."
"Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship."
"Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship."
"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
Quran 60:8-9
"Allāh does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allāh loves those who act justly."
"Allāh only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers."
Ironically, they blame the Jews for the Great Replacement, and then call us Anti Semitic 🤣
🏴...🤔 in my school I was pressured to smoke, drink, take drugs, look at porn, swear, try have sex... 🏴
Yes allow everything But pray
@@DAWAHTIME1none of those things are allowed in schools in the UK
@@tomg4777you would be surprised
@@tomg4777but all of those things happen in schools in uk. 😂😂😂😂
@@R.R.05. kids aren't looking at porn and having sex in UK schools. Unless they're at an Islamic school of course and Mr Abdul the chaplain takes a shine to them.
If inclusion is the argument here; then I'd love to see Hindu & Sikh religious prayers also being upheld in schools for Diwali, Vaishali, Holi etc.
So why does he not pray 5 times at homebetween 7 pm and 6 am is almost 11 hours. Also muslims are supposed to follow the rules of the land they live in. They must never dwviate from that. Tbey must be loyal to that country and no otber nation. So if his identity is as he claims it to be. Tben he has to follow the rules set.
So they want to be onclusive by excluding one religion in particular, ok, how cinycal and hypocritical.
No religion has been excluded, no one prays. That's the same rule for everyone. Accept it or go somewhere else
@@MichaelWillby Or pray regardless, because it is your right under Article 9! What are they going to say "Stop standing, stop bowing, stop kneeling" what a joke!
@@MichaelWillby"No one prays" you say this as if you actually speak for everyone else. Speak for yourself. You don't pray because you have no morality. So a large number of practising British Christian should leave the country as well then? Just because you're ignorant and full of hate and assumes no one prays? The whole country forces Christmas and Easter on everyone else, at work and in school. And these are Christian religious celebration. We should ban these as well and deport all Christians back to Rome? Right... According to your flawed and backwards logic. Don't be a hypocrite. Everyone has a right to pray in a democracy such a Britain. If you don't like that then YOU go somewhere else.
@@MichaelWillby It's like asking a Sikh to remove their turban because no one elses wearing it. That's the same rule for everyone. Accept it or go somewhere else. That turban is part of their identity, or perhaps part of their body even. It's appalling how can people not see this "extreme secularism" as a problematic views.
As far as I see it they want nobody to pray at school. That's only consequent.
This is what happens when you take flaw, impractical and weak ideologies born out of colonial hegemony and racism into their logical conclusions, the masks comes off and the problems glare back at you. No first principle or foundation just whips and desires attach it to slogans (secularism, liberalism,democracy, freedom of speech , expression, liberty and so on) as you go
😂😂😂😂 touch grass
@@lewis123417 I’m allergic to it just like flimsy slogans of the so called “western” which they made out of ideologies 😁😁😁
@@momonasri8611Holy shit you embody exactly what I am thinking the west tries to distance itself from religion because it sees it as a cause of a it's bloody past while not recognize the inherent superiority complex that they adhere to (racism). It makes it Soo they act all secular when it comes to Islam and call it's origin disgusting while adhering to an ideology to western supremacy based off hundreds of years of colonialism and racist genocides trying to pass it off as bringing science and civilization to inherently barbaric and weak cultures that can do with a little whiting up. This reflects everything Britain is trying to do "Honour the monarchy and it's bloody past while acting superior to everyone"
@@momonasri8611 you could easily see your comments written on the walls of a padded room in excrement
@@lewis123417 don’t share the sh*t you do mate, is gross.
My gripe with this is the girl and her parents KNEW the rules of the school before going, and They accepted those rules. If they lied about accepting those rules then they were disingenuous when they applied and they sought to change the way the school operates to THEIR values and beliefs. They got denied and now their pants are in a twist. If they didn’t like the schools rules then they shouldn’t have gone to the school. No one denied her right to be Muslim.
Then why does that school celebrate Christmas if that school is so secular that's the hypocrisy here.
Celebrating Christmas or having a Christmas holiday? News flash mate. Christmas holidays are SCHOOL holidays. They are holidays by law in Britain. Every school has to shut down for two weeks over Xmas. It’s called Half term. It’s framed as a Xmas holiday across the country. The Same goes for Easter break. It’s called Easter holidays because of when it happens, but it is actually half term. So it’s a ridiculous argument. Does the country shut down at these times. Nope.
And I tell you where the real hypocrisy is. This child………… no infact every child. Not a single Muslim/jewish child will moan about having two weeks off school over Xmas or Easter. Especially this child that has complained about prayer!! Despite the fact that neither religion celebrates Xmas or Easter, but when it comes to this school and their rules. Suddenly it matters and now They’re now in the wrong. It is Hypocrisy of the highest level. Total BS!!!
But it is the girl praying not the parents. Maybe the child wanted to go there because of her friends etc. Why is the child being punished for wanting to pray. If death threat were made or other children felt intimidated - that should be dealt with not deny her religious freedom
@@user-zu3zu1lb8fwell more has come to light about this story. Firstly let’s get this out there. The girl in question at the time she put in the complaint about this. She was infact suspended for threatening to stab another pupil. Putting that aside
1) she was allowed to pray in the play ground. As were other students, and As it turned out, photos where taken outside of the school premises of these kids praying in the playgrounds and they made the rounds on social media. So there were requests for prayer rooms. Which the school declined for space reasons. It’s a small school!! Death threats were then made to the teachers and the head masters, and threats were made towards other pupils (including other Muslim pupils that were not behaving in accordance’s with Islam) all of this started when these pictures were taken. So the school head master took the stance to ban praying in the play ground area. That’s when this all went to court. So let’s get this right. She wasn’t declined anything, but as usual people running with the narrative that she’s a victim of racism (she’s not) and that the school has targeted Muslims which they ain’t. 50 percent of the pupils are Muslim!!! Only this girl has complained and taken them to court. A girl that has threatened to stab people. Good character??????? I would say she’s full of shit and can fuck off personally.
I hope they also then have no Christmas decorations or songs in this school
You are confused between culture and religion.
If you dont like the rules go else where.
What he condemns and dismisses as 'Christian values' are actually part of the established, indigenous, British culture. To compare them, to a 'religious right' is narrow minded, ignorant and offensive. This guy needs to be sent on a course, to reflect on his ignorance and difuse his underlying racial prejudice.
So being Christian is part of the British Culture? 😂
@@Uzzi9m absolute idiot. forgetting they were pagans
@@Uzzi9m Are you trying to be funny or just ignorant? No, re read my post, being Christian isn't part of British culture. It's the other way around, 'Christianity' is a formative part of British culture, in so far as, British culture (rights, responsibilities, attributes, attitiudes, etc.) is based on and because of, christianities heavy historical influence.
@@Uzzi9m So, essentially and thankfully no, being Christian isn't. Buuuuuuuut, there are some similarities to Christian values, that through historical association, have become part of the British culture. They are shared by many Brits, as a part of their unique and distinct way of life. To confuse a national identity with and label it as, 'religious ideology', is narrow minded, ignorant and in this case, for some, insulting.
@@gregsmith7821 culture evolves. And it is extremely subjective. Every region within even a small country such as this has its own peculiarities. The holidays he referred to started as Christian holidays. Why not give a chance for other religions to also thrive in this country? And they would also become part of this country’s culture. And please don’t ask why Muslim countries don’t let other religions. I’ll preempt - because they believe Islam is the truth. The U.K. doesn’t believe or propagate Christianity as the truth. None of the common people in this country is religious anymore. But common Muslims overwhelmingly are still religious.
That student should go to an islam school and pray. Not in a christian school.
You really didn’t follow the video. It’s not a Christian school
The whole point is that it is a secular school. It's not a christian one. Ur point is redundant.
All schools in the UK should be secular IMHO. This is largely the case in France nowadays and it seems to work well.
In France the state even has the right to close down any houses of worship, when dangerous sermons are preached there. The law says that all houses of worship of all religions are property of the state, regardless who constructed them and who paid for the construction. The state only allows the religions to use these buildings, but these permissions can be withdrawn by the relevant government minister from one day to the other if he is notified of serious infringements.
Comparing an immigrant religious holiday to a native religious cultural celebration is absurd. Schools are not meant for prayers. Holidays even though may be rooted in religion but are largely cultural.
An immigrant religious holiday...against a native religious holiday 😂 clearly you need to return to school. Where was Jesus born? Where did he live? What language did he speak? I'll give you a spoiler. It was not England.
@@Hidingteddy Yes. It was not england but the point is Eid and ramadan have come to britain through immigration whereas christmas and easter are part of the religion and culture of the native british people. You should respect their culture without imposing your will on others. Especially, if you don’t give christians in your home country equal rights.
Wow, so Christianity came from West? It came from Middle East, the same god which is Jesus spoke Aramaic on Palestine. Jesus have beard with a complexion of typical middle eastern and dress differently from Western. This is ridiculous, trying to westernized Jesus, take it as their own and wanna put some images that he is white, blue eyes, blonde. Hilarious
but I agree, Christmas is not really a celebration of Jesus but a celebration of Western pagans in the past. If you know the history, 12/25 ain't about Jesus since Jesus was never born inn Winter
@@abra.hui. by that logic ramadan is also a pagan celebration? it was part of pre islamic pagan practices that islam simply continued so why celebrate that?
Base on his argument them all school shld have a small mosque for Muslims prayers , a small hall for Christian service , we should also have a small temple or shrine for Hindu & Buddhist for their chanting. Not forgetting jewish & other sect hall. Since we are talking abt freedom , shld have a canteen for muslim as they dont consume pork , a small canteen for those who practiced vegetarians diet. Oe yah not forgetting all those hindu that dont consume beef. What else!!.
Yet we only shout & insist that these practices must be carried out in Western SECULAR countries & yet NONE ; MAJORITY Muslims countries believe in YOUR freedom. They believe WE the majority YOU must respect & follow us.
My point is if you are in Rom follow the Romans do as long they dont FORCE YOU.
HOW CAN THERE BE PEACE IF EVERYONE WANT THEIR WAYS & NOT WILLING TO COMPROMISE.
IF religion is the root cause of all the violence inflicted in the world !!!!!. Then what is the purpose of having religion!!!!!. PEACE CAN ONLY ACHIEVE IF ALL ARE WILLING TO GIVE & TAKE & COMPROMISE.
Very well said. I agree 100%
You’re a clown who has never stepped foot outside his own house I can see
Maybe the Muslim community as they are all brothers could have a whip round and but a small hut so the Muslim students could have some where to go for prayer ' and hopefully the school could find some space to put it , this is called a compromise ( something i must say never seems to fit very well with islamic people) it is not the school s job to provide a place of prayer its their job to provide education and if it is a secular school a non religious education , the other alternative is as the reporter said you can send your children to another school the fits better with your values or traditions , thats what happens inna true free society there are options for everyone to experience what is best for them and their communitie , you don't Force everything, every school, workplace, sports club to be the same !!!
Seething dislike of all things Islamic in the media. I wonder why? Hmmm.