It makes sense. Keep the line of forces in a straight line from centre of bore through to the tip of the toes (when prone). Treat the rifle and shooter as a single unit and tilt the whole unit as one. The unit is a heavy rigid, not an articulated vehicle. The only problem I have with shooting prone is getting up after firing the shot. The ground is getting further down each year.
Yes I have known about this for a while, used to have to deal with body strain that throws off your shot. Took quite a while for me to realize what you just explained in a few short minutes. Good job.
Mark, i listen to videos on 1.5x for the sake of time. Except for your videos. So much good info and i dont want to miss any of it! Thanks for the time you take to educate us and for your wealth of knowledge!
Great stuff... I had been around firearms and hunting since I was a boy, but the first time I was exposed to prone\positional shooting was during rifle qualification in the military. I found it remarkable how accurate one could be with open sights at 500 yards prone. We had to qualify in other positions as well but prone was the most stable and accurate. Thanks!
on a target that is several times larger than reality. a man' aint anything like 20" wide. Especially not in the third world. t'hey are lucky to be 12' wide, the arms are not held clamped to the ribcage, so if you hit an arm, it was a luck thing, cause you didnt aim at the arm. Most of this is malarkey. Why can't you sneak up MUCH closer, at night and then shoot the next day? How are you going to get enemies to sit there while you fire spotter shots? it's a joke, man.
This video makes me feel very justified in the change I literally made to my hunting bipod last night. I hunt with a chest rig that is roughly 3" in depth. I was finding it very hard to go prone behind my rifle because the legs of my bipod were not quite long enough to bring the gun to level. I would have to get into a very compromised position just to shoot 100 yards. I just added 4" brass pipe that I threaded into the foot. Once fully seated it provided 3 extra inches. I now also have the ability to add snow baskets for when we get snow. Previously my bipod often would only be enough to keep the barrel out of the snow. It should save me from having to squirm in the snow to settle it under me to make a shot when an elk is potentially staring at me like last year.
Hah! Timely. Off to the range now for Full Bore. The mounds are all over the place angle wise. A gentle curved mound that drops away at the feet always works a treat. People look at me weird as find the perfect spot, sometimes well away from the others and start clearing it, flattening grass etc Definitely helped my group sizes at 500 drop from 12 inches to 30 centimeters!
Well said....eventually;-) Just kidding. Your way of explaining things works very well. There's a lot of wisdom in the insight that common sense is only common once you figure it out. Very true!
Hi Mark! Another great insight. I have a range at my home that gets me to 180 yards. You’ve just explained why I sometimes have trouble from session to session getting the accuracy I normally get. After eliminating all the variables, I would still have sessions where the same hand loads that got me sub MOA would start being inconsistent. Moving to 100 yards would usually make the strings open up, and that made no sense to me. But my shooting platform is thirty feet higher than my 180 yard target, and the 100 yard target makes the shot that much steeper. I noticed that getting the rifle stable shooting down was frustrating but never put it together. Thanks, as always.
So you need a shovel and sometimes a whipper-snipper? All better than off-hand. Visit the Mt Barker - WA, range. I think it was set up for the military back in the 1900’s. Someone knew what they were doing. Maybe wrong, but to the best of my recollection, there are berms to lay on for shooting prone. Great info. Many thanks.
Dude thank you😂 That effect is persistent at my local 200 range.... And it's worse at 200 than 1,000. Meaning standing at 5ish feet of height off hand 👌 We shoot horizontally at the targets. Then we drop five feet into prom position and shoot uphill-ish and... It doesn't matter much through the irons, But the higher the magnification on your optic (The more screwed you are off hand) The more deviation you end up with when you're back in prone... I used to think it was my inconsistency until I learned that the older guys were, consistently adjusting their sights or sight picture... Variably between our offhand, seated, and prone strings of fire 🔥 You work in a realm that I cannot touch except through your videos. And bring important information back to mind when I should have thought of it the whole time Thank you sir. Shoot safely... And please continue to share your experience
in archery shooting up hill subtracts from normal range and shooting down hill adds..so was in a canyon setup a target 100yds below us , I used a 50yd pin to hit the target at 100yds. I believe the canyon wall was 60-70 degrees. When in ELR would you see this ? Have you ever seen this ?
60° up or down in ELR, think about that for a second, 3300 meter rise over a 3000 meter shot, yes that would have some effect, no I have not experienced that, lol, Cheers
I attempted a 1400 yard shot and had zero success. My body was not flat because I was trying to aim upwards. Then I tried a 1675 yard shot. This time my body was pointing at target. 3/5 hits and the misses were just off edge. This episode reiterated my experience exactly.
Shooting increase or decrease in elevation u also run into funny stuff with wond like up draft or cyclonic pockets of air depending on rock formation and grotto
We're putting in a new shooting pad at the range, our range goes uphill at 7 deg, we've been having a debate about whether we should angle the pad to match.
If I ever get into ELR (unlikely) I'll be going through every video you ever put out. That said, we have a really nice home made portable shooting bench. Very stable. Sure I'd prefer to shoot off a nice concrete bench at the range, but that's limited to about 300 meters.
I tried prone once….,due to back issues I found it exceedingly difficult to even shoulder the gun.. to the point I couldn’t get comfortable enough to even hold steady…never fired a shot
You know what would be a cool video to watch on your channel? • 3 of your favorite rifles. • Distance: 1000 yards. • 10 shots at a 10-15 inch target. • remaining shots out of the 10 shots will be fired at 5-7 inch. target. Same day, same conditions, same shooter. :)
It makes sense. Keep the line of forces in a straight line from centre of bore through to the tip of the toes (when prone). Treat the rifle and shooter as a single unit and tilt the whole unit as one. The unit is a heavy rigid, not an articulated vehicle.
The only problem I have with shooting prone is getting up after firing the shot. The ground is getting further down each year.
Thanks Dave, Cheers
Thank you for yet another informative talk. I'm 73 yrs of age, and comfort is very important for these old bones! 😁
Thanks Larry, Cheers Man
Yes I have known about this for a while, used to have to deal with body strain that throws off your shot. Took quite a while for me to realize what you just explained in a few short minutes. Good job.
Thanks Erik, Cheers
Mark, i listen to videos on 1.5x for the sake of time. Except for your videos. So much good info and i dont want to miss any of it! Thanks for the time you take to educate us and for your wealth of knowledge!
Awesome, cheers man
I enjoy every video you and Sam make, mate. Informative, thorough and thoughtful. Top marks. Thank you, guys
Cheers Chad, thanks
congratulations because you can explain concepts that are not simple in a simple and understandable way, you are fundamental! Bravo! 👏👏
Thanks Leonardo
Another lovely episode, leading by example, again! Thank you M&SAW
Thanks Man
Great stuff... I had been around firearms and hunting since I was a boy, but the first time I was exposed to prone\positional shooting was during rifle qualification in the military. I found it remarkable how accurate one could be with open sights at 500 yards prone. We had to qualify in other positions as well but prone was the most stable and accurate. Thanks!
Thanks Man, Cheers
on a target that is several times larger than reality. a man' aint anything like 20" wide. Especially not in the third world. t'hey are lucky to be 12' wide, the arms are not held clamped to the ribcage, so if you hit an arm, it was a luck thing, cause you didnt aim at the arm. Most of this is malarkey. Why can't you sneak up MUCH closer, at night and then shoot the next day? How are you going to get enemies to sit there while you fire spotter shots? it's a joke, man.
Cool ! Never thought about it like that! Thanks!
Cheers Bill
This explains so much, I have experienced shooting in weird angles and never considered it to cause accuracy issues.
Thanks Man, cheers
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Cheers Gary
Good info Mark.
Thanks for sharing!❤❤❤
Cheers Chris, thanks
This video makes me feel very justified in the change I literally made to my hunting bipod last night. I hunt with a chest rig that is roughly 3" in depth. I was finding it very hard to go prone behind my rifle because the legs of my bipod were not quite long enough to bring the gun to level. I would have to get into a very compromised position just to shoot 100 yards. I just added 4" brass pipe that I threaded into the foot. Once fully seated it provided 3 extra inches.
I now also have the ability to add snow baskets for when we get snow. Previously my bipod often would only be enough to keep the barrel out of the snow. It should save me from having to squirm in the snow to settle it under me to make a shot when an elk is potentially staring at me like last year.
awesome, Cheers
Hah! Timely. Off to the range now for Full Bore. The mounds are all over the place angle wise. A gentle curved mound that drops away at the feet always works a treat. People look at me weird as find the perfect spot, sometimes well away from the others and start clearing it, flattening grass etc
Definitely helped my group sizes at 500 drop from 12 inches to 30 centimeters!
Awesome, thanks Glenn, Cheers
As always Good solid information. Thank you
Thanks Jeff
Well said....eventually;-) Just kidding. Your way of explaining things works very well. There's a lot of wisdom in the insight that common sense is only common once you figure it out. Very true!
Thanks Man, Cheers
Hi Mark! Another great insight. I have a range at my home that gets me to 180 yards. You’ve just explained why I sometimes have trouble from session to session getting the accuracy I normally get. After eliminating all the variables, I would still have sessions where the same hand loads that got me sub MOA would start being inconsistent. Moving to 100 yards would usually make the strings open up, and that made no sense to me. But my shooting platform is thirty feet higher than my 180 yard target, and the 100 yard target makes the shot that much steeper. I noticed that getting the rifle stable shooting down was frustrating but never put it together. Thanks, as always.
Thanks man, glad you liked, Cheers
This is golden. “Common sense is only common when you are figuring it out” That can go on T-shirt 😂 Excellent video. Thank you.
Lol, yep, Cheers
Awesome advices.👍
Thanks Lex
I Enjoy your videos easy to understand wish i had instructors like you in school
Cheers Ian, thanks
Thanks Mark, awesome video. Lots of good information. 👍
Cheers John
Excellent video. Thank you. Ko2M is shooting uphill in the usa
Thanks Man
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Another great video! Cheers guys.
Cheers Dave
So you need a shovel and sometimes a whipper-snipper?
All better than off-hand.
Visit the Mt Barker - WA, range. I think it was set up for the military back in the 1900’s. Someone knew what they were doing. Maybe wrong, but to the best of my recollection, there are berms to lay on for shooting prone.
Great info.
Many thanks.
Thanks Rob
Dude thank you😂 That effect is persistent at my local 200 range.... And it's worse at 200 than 1,000.
Meaning standing at 5ish feet of height off hand 👌 We shoot horizontally at the targets.
Then we drop five feet into prom position and shoot uphill-ish and... It doesn't matter much through the irons, But the higher the magnification on your optic (The more screwed you are off hand) The more deviation you end up with when you're back in prone...
I used to think it was my inconsistency until I learned that the older guys were, consistently adjusting their sights or sight picture... Variably between our offhand, seated, and prone strings of fire 🔥
You work in a realm that I cannot touch except through your videos. And bring important information back to mind when I should have thought of it the whole time
Thank you sir. Shoot safely... And please continue to share your experience
Thanks Man, Cheers
Right on
Cheers Mike, thanks
Another great video, hope you guys are doing okay! Take care and be well!
Thanks Paul, Cheers Man
Your explanation is well put and easy to understand Mark say hi to Sam
Thanks Joe, Cheers Man
Excelent. Cheers
Thanks Walter
Thanks Mark
Cheers Charles
Great content thanks for sharing
Thanks John, Cheers
Common sense isn’t too common these days unfortunately. Thanks for another great video Mark & Sam!
Cheers Man
Perfectly understandable 👍
Thanks Man
Yes, good stuff. I just give up the prone when angles are involved.
Thanks Brent
Thanks Mark !…….
Cheers Tom
Thanks for sharing! 👌
Cheers Man
in archery shooting up hill subtracts from normal range and shooting down hill adds..so was in a canyon setup a target 100yds below us , I used a 50yd pin to hit the target at 100yds. I believe the canyon wall was 60-70 degrees. When in ELR would you see this ? Have you ever seen this ?
60° up or down in ELR, think about that for a second, 3300 meter rise over a 3000 meter shot, yes that would have some effect, no I have not experienced that, lol, Cheers
Good information again as usual champ
Cheers Man
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Awesome, Cheers
Great video!
Thanks Byron
Oh yes mate！Cheers！！！
Cheers
Very good thank you.
We are a foot deep in bullants around here. I shoot from a ladder.
Jeez I thought I had it rough with the leeches you can have the Bullants.
Ouch, Cheers Man
😂
I attempted a 1400 yard shot and had zero success. My body was not flat because I was trying to aim upwards. Then I tried a 1675 yard shot. This time my body was pointing at target. 3/5 hits and the misses were just off edge. This episode reiterated my experience exactly.
Thanks Tyler
Crazy. I've been doing that for so long that I thought it to be normal behavior.
Thanks Matt
pretty instinctive stuff for me...
Cheers
Shooting increase or decrease in elevation u also run into funny stuff with wond like up draft or cyclonic pockets of air depending on rock formation and grotto
Well the higher you go the less the wind affects the bullet and the opposite for the lower you go... more altitude, less air density...Cheers
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Cheers Dennis
We're putting in a new shooting pad at the range, our range goes uphill at 7 deg, we've been having a debate about whether we should angle the pad to match.
Hope this helps, Cheers Drew
If I ever get into ELR (unlikely) I'll be going through every video you ever put out. That said, we have a really nice home made portable shooting bench. Very stable. Sure I'd prefer to shoot off a nice concrete bench at the range, but that's limited to about 300 meters.
Thanks Man
I have always shot from a bench and just Recently i've been trying pron and have been having a difficult time getting comfortable..
Thanks Man
I tried prone once….,due to back issues I found it exceedingly difficult to even shoulder the gun.. to the point I couldn’t get comfortable enough to even hold steady…never fired a shot
Thanks Man
Well explained thank you.
Glad you liked it
Common sense?? Here recently common sense is pretty much a super power!!
Lol, Cheers Dave, thanks
Thank you 😊
Cheers! Rob
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Thanks Kuron
You know what would be a cool video to watch on your channel?
• 3 of your favorite rifles.
• Distance: 1000 yards.
• 10 shots at a 10-15 inch target.
• remaining shots out of the 10 shots will be fired at 5-7 inch. target.
Same day, same conditions, same shooter. :)
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@@markandsamafterwork awesome thanks, I usually see all the videos but must have skipped this one.