The Strategic Reasoning Behind "Ruining" a Logo

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
  • An analysis of why companies decide to debrand.

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  • @Ajia_No_Envy
    @Ajia_No_Envy 2 місяці тому +935

    Okay but the pringles logo was actually perfect and they changed it to make it look like any other generic brand

    • @rayganparksmitchell
      @rayganparksmitchell 2 місяці тому +25

      Exactly

    • @TaurusTheCrazyBull
      @TaurusTheCrazyBull 2 місяці тому +34

      Hell will have gotten to absolute zero before I would even consider that change acceptable

    • @Pit1993x
      @Pit1993x 2 місяці тому +26

      In a way their logo now much more accurately represents the bland taste of their pieces of cardboard they're calling chips.😂

    • @QuartetGhost
      @QuartetGhost 2 місяці тому +31

      Notice fast food restaurant are doing that with there buildings Notice before you could spot a burger King mcdonald's of taco bell from a mile away because of the roof color and building shape now they are all brown boxes with minimal differences

    • @Weaver_Games
      @Weaver_Games 2 місяці тому +16

      Also, unlike what the video suggests, there isn't like a Pringles app or anything.

  • @TheFiteShow
    @TheFiteShow 2 місяці тому +431

    whatever the reasoning, you have to admit the way megacorporations have a death grip on the economy and thus every product you see has a monochrome sans serif logo feels dystopian as hell

    • @Bill-mq7wr
      @Bill-mq7wr 2 місяці тому +4

      Fr

    • @JD-lp5rw
      @JD-lp5rw 2 місяці тому +11

      Look at McDonald's now Vs the 90s. That and the simplification of branding reflects society today.

    • @GhostStaff27
      @GhostStaff27 2 місяці тому +3

      Laziness at its best and the will to invest the less possible to get refunds.

  • @9852323
    @9852323 2 місяці тому +306

    I’m sick of this minimalist era..they think it looks “modern” or “professional” but really it just looks drab, bland, soulless and just downright depressing. You can modernize without being so overly simplistic.

    • @dolphinsrcool12
      @dolphinsrcool12 2 місяці тому +10

      Imo I think the current logos are nice

    • @insertname9736
      @insertname9736 2 місяці тому +2

      Pile of BS. Maybe not when it comes to logos. But mininalism is a good thing. It's much better than the clutter and consoomerism that is an utter cancer to the world. It's like people don't have a soul or identity outside of the cr@p they own.

    • @toadfan64
      @toadfan64 2 місяці тому +31

      This new era is so fucking boring. At least in the 80s and 90s shit was fun and colorful.

    • @csuporj
      @csuporj 2 місяці тому +11

      2024 is like 1984. Windows 1.0 looked better than Windows 11.

    • @geoffreyrichards6079
      @geoffreyrichards6079 2 місяці тому +6

      Simplistic and soulless vs. over-accessorized and desperate… I’m not sure which one is worse.

  • @chrisronin
    @chrisronin 3 місяці тому +255

    ‘late 1900s’ excuse me, the what now?

    • @joestrike8537
      @joestrike8537 3 місяці тому +34

      Hey, as a baby boomer, it freaked me out the first time I heard the 20th referrede to as "last century"!

    • @judichristopher4604
      @judichristopher4604 2 місяці тому +8

      @@joestrike8537
      BAHAHAHAHA
      I am still not in the 21st Century... LOL

    • @coreyrobinson8209
      @coreyrobinson8209 2 місяці тому +48

      My mind still thinks 2000 was a couple of years ago, so it breaks my brain when an adult tells me he was born in 2002.

    • @judichristopher4604
      @judichristopher4604 2 місяці тому +6

      @@coreyrobinson8209
      EXACTLY... I feel the same way.

    • @bonevelous
      @bonevelous 2 місяці тому +6

      Now you know how people born in the 1880s-1890s felt hearing the term "1800s" :-P

  • @DeclanMBrennan
    @DeclanMBrennan 2 місяці тому +41

    I'm not certain logos started simple. There are plenty of Victorian age logos that are extremely elaborate.

  • @looseleaflyra
    @looseleaflyra 2 місяці тому +166

    im not even kidding, this video is how i found out Kia cars and cars with a KN logo are the same. i had no fucking clue

    • @J4R0D
      @J4R0D 2 місяці тому +7

      I only recently found that out myself lol

    • @Ok-_-719
      @Ok-_-719 2 місяці тому +1

      Same bro same

    • @lieutenanteclipse9975
      @lieutenanteclipse9975 2 місяці тому +16

      I legit didnt know that KN logo was KIA and thought its a new car brand

    • @plixplop
      @plixplop 2 місяці тому +14

      It would be so much better if they left the crossbar on the A

    • @SpataWorks
      @SpataWorks 2 місяці тому +1

      Lol

  • @superapple2908
    @superapple2908 3 місяці тому +120

    Firefox is probably my favorite of the minimalist logos.

    • @OSAYWILLIAMS
      @OSAYWILLIAMS 3 місяці тому +4

      Mine personally was Pringles, but Firefoxis definitely up there.

    • @judichristopher4604
      @judichristopher4604 2 місяці тому +23

      YES... at least it still has Color

    • @kfcnyancat
      @kfcnyancat 2 місяці тому +18

      It's not even really minimalist honestly. If you put logos in a pile and were asked to organize between simpler and more complex ones, the current Firefox logo would probably go in the complex pile.

    • @JoeContext
      @JoeContext 2 місяці тому +5

      Firefox at least had the integrity to have shading

    • @ItalyClay
      @ItalyClay 2 місяці тому

      It actually has pictures and colors. Every logo that is a word can’t be read by children or people with difficulties reading. Pictures also seem fun and enjoyable.

  • @stevenscott2136
    @stevenscott2136 2 місяці тому +20

    That's a LOT of words to say "simple is just the fad right now".
    He even admitted that we've been through at least one trend-cycle already.

  • @bonevelous
    @bonevelous 2 місяці тому +45

    I'm not as peeved by "minimal" logos as most, but I will say its certainly "funny" that companies will change their logos and overall aesthetic instead of looking at nore fundamental problems such as overworked employees and overpriced products.

    • @rachelpurity1
      @rachelpurity1 2 місяці тому +3

      Bro. Working the employees less and lowering prices cuts profit. Making the logo different promises a bit more sales. Think, Mark, think.

    • @stratospherica
      @stratospherica 2 місяці тому +1

      Thaaaaaaaaaaaaat's capitalism!

    • @magicbuns4868
      @magicbuns4868 2 місяці тому +1

      Company does something.
      Haters: reeeeeeee
      We can all learn from this stuff

    • @insertname9736
      @insertname9736 2 місяці тому +1

      True.

    • @LilacMonarch
      @LilacMonarch 2 місяці тому +2

      The minimalist logo symbolizes their minimal pay and care for their employees

  • @mastermind2246
    @mastermind2246 Місяць тому +4

    As a Graphic Designer it hurts my soul seeing how big companies are showing with the minimalistic approach when it comes to their logos.

  • @joebejjani3579
    @joebejjani3579 2 місяці тому +36

    I don't agree about the maturity and trust part and also the fact that a compagny like WB has to fit the logo in many franchise, they can still do it with their old logo and don't with new logo which is more ugly

    • @MaddJakd
      @MaddJakd 2 місяці тому +9

      No real person agrees with the maturity and trust part. It's the companies that "think" that though, of themselves and for the sharholders, so in some ethereal realm

    • @LibraryofAcousticMagic3240
      @LibraryofAcousticMagic3240 2 місяці тому +1

      when he called animated movies a genre I cringed

  • @badad8537
    @badad8537 2 місяці тому +13

    Time and money spent on changes that nobody asked for. I bet in most cases people often prefer the original as well.

  • @vintage1994
    @vintage1994 2 місяці тому +33

    *Dunkin dropped the donuts, not the coffee.

    • @omatic_opulis9876
      @omatic_opulis9876 2 місяці тому +11

      *They dropped both.

    • @vintage1994
      @vintage1994 2 місяці тому +5

      Oh I missed the coffee cup in the logo! Good catch!

  • @pranav.2008
    @pranav.2008 3 місяці тому +13

    ngl thats a very detailed analysis and an informative video. keep it up bro

  • @joestrike8537
    @joestrike8537 3 місяці тому +3

    In context of going from complex to simplified logo, you didn't mention the reverse: several media companies giving up their classic logos for ultra simplified ones - all of which were eventually replaced with their original (or slightly updated) ones: MGM, WB, Columbia, NBC...and I'm sure there are plenty more

  • @mrmatejator
    @mrmatejator 2 місяці тому +4

    I thought that it was some new Chinese KN brand that I never bothered with searching up since I could not care less. So that's why KIA cars kinda left the streets 😂

  • @Cottor_OwO
    @Cottor_OwO 2 місяці тому +1

    There are some good or at least fine redesigns out there. And there is also a Pringles redesign.

  • @Schnipp08
    @Schnipp08 2 місяці тому +4

    I wish Fruit of the Loom would bring back the cornucopia. 😉

    • @cyroyanetwinkit11
      @cyroyanetwinkit11 2 місяці тому

      The cornucopia was never in the logo to begin with hahahahaha

    • @Schnipp08
      @Schnipp08 2 місяці тому

      @@cyroyanetwinkit11 It was. 😂

  • @Yakuzaxpl
    @Yakuzaxpl 2 місяці тому +1

    4:04
    I really miss that middle Google logo. It was special

  • @mildlyconcerning
    @mildlyconcerning Місяць тому +1

    why is the background music so eerie?

  • @EIDiabeetus
    @EIDiabeetus 2 місяці тому +2

    Hate minimalism. It lets you know you're dealing with a Soulless Corporate entity. Doing Graphic Design myself, hate the simplicity approach, it's regressing.

    • @cyroyanetwinkit11
      @cyroyanetwinkit11 2 місяці тому

      What about keep the original design but make it 2D? or maybe even slightly tweak it?

  • @denizkendirci
    @denizkendirci 2 місяці тому +1

    I didn't even noticed those logo changes until someone pointed out to me. Actually i noticed the burger king one by this video.

  • @rosebuster
    @rosebuster 2 місяці тому +1

    I see absolutely nothing elegant about overly simplified logos. Some simplifications are good, but companies these days take it way too far. Current Windows logo is extremely ugly. Dropbox logo used to look like a box, but when shading was removed, I no longer see a box, just a bunch of rhombic shapes. Some companies that used to at least have some sort of a shape that made me think of them went ahead and removed the shapes and just wrote text in the plainest font they found and that's supposed to be recognizable or mature? Other companies, like DeviantArt, that couldn't find a way to simplify their logos well, really went out of the way to transform it in such way nobody sees any similarity to the company, so the company needs to write a whole paragraph of explanations, because the steps taken to construct the new logo were too abstract and enigmatic. I don't mind some simplification, but there is a limit of how much I can accept before my inner sense of aesthetics just says no.

  • @Sam62254
    @Sam62254 2 місяці тому

    The worst example of destroying a great logo is General Motors. The bold, uppercase GM on a blue rectangle was their signature logo for nearly a century. It was simple, and projected strength, aesthetics, and quality. Some years ago, some clown at GM thought it would be a great idea to change the gm to lower case letters. Now, it looks like a logo for Goodwill or some meek, weak, organization known for poor quality. Maybe that's no accident.

  • @robymaru03
    @robymaru03 2 місяці тому +1

    Let's be real that simplification of logos is a kind of brainwashing where customers are no longer expecting the same quality from old brand and they can go cheap on materials and charge more for being new. One more thing Kia changed his logo to distance itself from clients expectations of a cheap car and they succeeded because many new buyers buy KIA thinking KN is the premium version of Kia, just like Lexus, Acura and Audi.

  • @LadySniperSwaggYT
    @LadySniperSwaggYT 2 місяці тому

    I still feel like doing a simplified design is lazy. Whatever happened to having a primary and secondary logo for when the scale is smaller? I’m not really tryna hear the excuse due to the increase of smart devices.

  • @InfiniteGameReviews
    @InfiniteGameReviews Місяць тому

    So essentially they're saying "colors and bold designs are immature and only for young people". Maybe that's why most major phone manufacturers use so goddamn BORING phone colors...

  • @mysteryakatsuki
    @mysteryakatsuki 21 день тому

    I feel like corporations are going for simplistic designs to save some money from the more detailed designs

  • @sunny91193
    @sunny91193 2 місяці тому +1

    Companies don’t care about what consumers think. Simple logos are made to easily implement on multiple things, saving companies time and money.

  • @cyberswiper6317
    @cyberswiper6317 2 місяці тому

    When I saw the new Kia logo while driving around I thought it was a whole new car manufacturer lol

  • @masonblack5387
    @masonblack5387 13 днів тому

    Actually it's about money. The simpler the design of the logo the less R&D and materials used to generate the logo which means less cost which means more profit. It's always about the money

  • @mikemiranda1892
    @mikemiranda1892 2 місяці тому

    I don't comment often. I think this explanation is off. I started working as a production artist in 02. We had to deboss, screen print, and foil stamp. We had to edit most of the art to print on small areas. Massive detail, small fonts and Bodoni mad it hard to print at 85 lpi. This is why I think it's this way. Example: State farm had 3 circles and tiny type with a thin stroke. Absolutely nightmare to print on a pen. Now it's 3 circles which is how it would print anyway.

  • @TheRealCaptainFreedom
    @TheRealCaptainFreedom 2 місяці тому

    “If it ain’t broke, fix it.” - Harvard School of Business

  • @cultistaautista
    @cultistaautista 2 місяці тому

    Honestly, the only thing that makes sense is the WB logo that wants to have a more cohesive range of thematic recolors (also it doesn't actually get as bad as the other ones). That's literally it, that's the only sane reason that doesn't sound like dystopian sugarcoated corporate lingo. The rest of these points like "maturity", "trust", "credibility" and "customer perception" are as good a gibberish when it comes to making an actual argument as to why it's ok to create low-effort primitive forgettable shadows of the former artistically superior logos, and fully retire the latter. When you look at the primitivized ugly logos that feel like they've been mass-produced at the same logo factory in a couple of minutes, these weird sectarian PR terms would never come to mind of the average person, the vast majority of sane people would just prefer the art detail of the old logos not to be destroyed. (I'd further argue that the act of removing detail from your logo damages the public perception of the company now, since it screams "I'm now selling my soul and joining all these other giga-corps that want to fight for your love and loyalty".
    And last thing to mention - the "mobile user experience" is far worse when your screen is blanketed with repetitive flat icons of simple-geometry symbols or glyphs with a very poor color scheme (if any colors are even there). It gets so primitive to the point of being disorienting. It's a lot easier to see what's what when you have icons that feel like actual pictures with uniqueness in color, depth and geometry. Icons actually have to stand out somewhat to be useable.

  • @NightridingDoom
    @NightridingDoom 3 місяці тому +4

    simple: costs on ink xd

  • @QuartetGhost
    @QuartetGhost 2 місяці тому

    The problem with most of this rebranding is sucking the color out of it something like burger king is now just a brown sign with dark red letters bland boring Pringles all color gone car brands removed color or one color of a flat logo you mention WB but that logo still has depth it has bright contrasting colors it still has its classic look in a new form if you present that infront of a looney tunes short it would look normal, fast food places are simplifying their buildings too so instead of a recognizable place i can see from a mile away now its a brown box that all look the same and you don't know what it is till you get closer these aren't good changes if they so much want to change the logos then try something visually appealing that people can positively associate with your brand following trends just means your a cookie cuter that looks like everything else stand out

  • @mr.steevieboii5343
    @mr.steevieboii5343 20 днів тому

    I literally haven’t bought a can of pringles since they killed mr pringles

  • @Bo0M360
    @Bo0M360 2 місяці тому

    Companies are adapting to the new digital world. That is where the market is now.

  • @royalstrawberrychickenpie
    @royalstrawberrychickenpie Місяць тому

    Everything was not that bad after they changed their logo, until you see pringles💀..

  • @HoppiHopp
    @HoppiHopp 2 місяці тому

    1:20 What do you call the era between 1 and 100? The zero hundreds?

  • @mnmg
    @mnmg 2 місяці тому

    Burger King actually revert to their old logo w/ some minimal adjustments

  • @Wyglafff
    @Wyglafff 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for the explanation. Simplified logos still suck

  • @SirFailsalot91
    @SirFailsalot91 2 місяці тому

    The new Kia logo makes the "I A" look like a backwards N, how do you even pronounce that letter??

    • @cyroyanetwinkit11
      @cyroyanetwinkit11 2 місяці тому

      You pronounce it as the "I" in machine. (that looks like the Cyrilic И but its the I and A.)

  • @Sly88Frye
    @Sly88Frye 2 місяці тому

    Okay so now I see why logos just keep being simplified

  • @epsilontiger
    @epsilontiger Місяць тому

    6:23 it spells "K backwards N" not "Kia"

  • @theoboangiu7950
    @theoboangiu7950 2 місяці тому

    I was hearing you all the way up until the WB logo, which simply lost a lot of detail. The ways they are altering it for different movies are: changing the color, texture, light and shadows, and perhaps adding some SFX; which could all be done with the old logo as well. The new logo looks like the opposite of professionalism; it looks what an 8yo would have for their yt channel.

  • @killer1one1
    @killer1one1 2 місяці тому

    Yeah, ok, but I don't agree with any of this. In the instruction manual for modern society, where exactly is it written that "if all logos look exactly the same, then the brand is finally 'mature?'"

  • @israeldiaz2392
    @israeldiaz2392 2 місяці тому

    everything have sence if you rebrand improving your product, but all these companies still making the same old crap, only changes their logo, that makes it feels the brand worst and pretencious.

  • @Z_E_B_O
    @Z_E_B_O Місяць тому

    Yeah, the Pringles logo change is so awful I stopped buying them really. They're not really chips anyway, more like potato dust shaped into the form of chips.
    But I mean generally, how many people will stop buying stuff just cause of a logo change?
    I hope Pringles got a huge drop in people buying them, but of course people just want the stuff they bought before, so no big impact and nothing will change. hell, in 20 years the pringles logo will just be (=})

  • @ariohandoyo5973
    @ariohandoyo5973 2 місяці тому

    For me that is normal thing to do the reason behind it is that to simpfy their logo, everything in the world are debateble however, we should know key factor first, don't judge a book by its cover we are on the same page on the simplying the logo without using complicated drawing are you with me? Could you please tell me your prespective in a way that is not provoking or picking on the logos that has simplified, Looking for your reply.
    Note:
    Is important to note that before we make a jeering on certain things be sure to check and recheck so that it wouldn't create a feud among subscribers. Are you fond of with the new design?😊
    Pringles:
    Are the very best potato chips product i've ever eaten seen i was a kid, they have numerous flavors for us to consume also the potatos are savoiry and yummy long live people who are keep working on their new flavors of each Pringles that we bought, here in Indonesia Pringles are cost an arm and a leg. Despite the pricy cost i offen asked my mama to buy me one. Out of the blue, recinely i bought 5 + 5 pringles 10 in total, i bought them online, have you ever kept them near you And eat them when you wanted to? I won't use the phrase gobbled up cos is not suitable for that snack, Pringles deserve an Oscar thropy where he summon due to their quality taste of the snack. Thoughts? Comment down below bug out.😅

  • @Ls2key
    @Ls2key 2 місяці тому

    Love this channel. Very interesting.

  • @Cali4niawave
    @Cali4niawave 2 місяці тому +1

    I better read coments, they have some logic

  • @AriusXII
    @AriusXII 2 місяці тому

    corporate memphis as it is. Also, author has corporate memphis voice.

  • @qactustick
    @qactustick 2 місяці тому

    The only thing I take away from logo changes is that complaining about it online has virtually no impact on the associated company's growth.

  • @foreignparticle1320
    @foreignparticle1320 2 місяці тому

    And all it will take is Google or some other corporate monstrosity to (re)introduce skewmorphism and 3D textured logos and trigger the rest of them to follow suit. Then UA-cam videos shall be made explaining, in corporate word salad, how such an approach to logo design is the natural, logical evolution of optimal business practice.

  • @TheRyujinLP
    @TheRyujinLP 2 місяці тому

    Let's show trust to our customers by making logos they hate and then double down on it... which they do even as people drop them and they lose money.

  • @ChunkSchuldinga
    @ChunkSchuldinga 2 місяці тому +1

    Money. It saves money on printing. Same reason George Lucas renamed Revenged of the Jedi to Return of the Jedi. There, I saved you 10 minutes of misinformation avoiding the real answer. Money.

  • @tiredideabox
    @tiredideabox 2 місяці тому

    They shaved his head bald and sold his soul to sell more pringles.

  • @likeaniggy
    @likeaniggy 2 місяці тому

    The new Kia logo is the only one I genuinely hate, the others I preferred the original (most of the time) but Kia was changed so much it isn't even recognizable as Kia the first time you see it. Hell I occasionally still see it and be like what brand is that?

  • @Bill-mq7wr
    @Bill-mq7wr 2 місяці тому

    I cannot forgive the Captain Morgan rizz-slaughter. I bought a bottle that still had the old logo and I will keep it as a spiteful decorative item forever.

  • @greg2kdotcom
    @greg2kdotcom 2 місяці тому +2

    It was hard to make "Pride" versions of many existing logos. Simplifying them made it trivial to jump on that Pride logo trend

  • @deadliftsfordays5364
    @deadliftsfordays5364 2 місяці тому

    "The late nineteen hundreds" 😩

  • @XeZzamE
    @XeZzamE 2 місяці тому

    okay but have you considered the compelling argument that detailed logos are simply cooler

  • @coldpepper3175
    @coldpepper3175 2 місяці тому +691

    Meanwhile, Coca Cola is silently sitting in the back and observing.

    • @TheFiteShow
      @TheFiteShow 2 місяці тому +129

      if coca cola changed their logo, id be convinced the world is ending

    • @pedroabrahampolancobeltran4382
      @pedroabrahampolancobeltran4382 2 місяці тому +85

      ​@@TheFiteShowthey have already done it multiple times. What they haven't change is their typography.

    • @Schnipp08
      @Schnipp08 2 місяці тому +15

      ​@@pedroabrahampolancobeltran4382 the dash in the Coca-Cola logo was once different. Even if they are denying it. 😉

    • @toonman361
      @toonman361 2 місяці тому +34

      There's something to be said for consistency rather than always rushing after trends. I've spent my entire graphic design career being consistent in communicating the message in the most effective way possible, not caring about trends.

    • @AuriPlayzz
      @AuriPlayzz 2 місяці тому

      I remember the day when on cola cans they shifted the logo upwards so a quarter of it was tilted on the ridge. Don’t know why they did that, it’s so ugly

  • @davidfrischknecht8261
    @davidfrischknecht8261 3 місяці тому +1260

    Burger King didn't really simplify their logo. They actually went back to their older logo.

    • @shibarmyburnz1978
      @shibarmyburnz1978 3 місяці тому +116

      They still simplified their current logo.. old or not it's a simpler design then what they had and big business doesn't just on a whim change their logo

    • @mknium
      @mknium 3 місяці тому +44

      it’s not the exact same as their older logos, they changed the font and colors

    • @hotwax9376
      @hotwax9376 2 місяці тому +18

      Same with Pringles, which had a very similar logo prior to the late 90s or early aughts. Pepsi is another recent example of this, swapping one minimalist logo for another simple one they previously used in the 70s and 80s. (Fortunately, the classic Pepsi Cola script is still on the label by the nutrition and ingredients panels.)

    • @jdraven0890
      @jdraven0890 2 місяці тому +11

      Same with VW, very similar to their 1950s logo

    • @mart5610
      @mart5610 2 місяці тому +4

      Nobody noticed but they also changed the font. it isn't the exact same old logo

  • @combatcarl
    @combatcarl 2 місяці тому +583

    Personally, I prefer the more complicated and visually interesting logos. I like logos with personality. At least those old school lively logos didn't scream "soulless corporate crap" on the box. I mean, you're getting soulless corporate crap either way, but I just liked the early 00s logos.

    • @rosieroti4063
      @rosieroti4063 2 місяці тому +18

      Don't you worry.. those will make a come back in the future. All it needs is evolving technology, changing consumer preferences and a stiff competition where the company in question is facing mounting investor pressure while struggling to breach the top 3.

    • @Nutty151
      @Nutty151 2 місяці тому +8

      You are just nostalgic for the past. The new logos are more sleek.

    • @v5k456jh3
      @v5k456jh3 2 місяці тому

      ​@@Nutty151yeah sleek and boring af

    • @Ashitaka0815
      @Ashitaka0815 2 місяці тому +5

      Interesting how you spell bland...

    • @toadfan64
      @toadfan64 2 місяці тому +12

      @@Nutty151Lol nah. The old logos are just on average more visually appealing.

  • @greenrobot5
    @greenrobot5 3 місяці тому +1187

    As far as I know Pringles isn't an app

    • @OSAYWILLIAMS
      @OSAYWILLIAMS 3 місяці тому +63

      but they do have a range of packaging and products which the new logo lends itself to very well. Printing could be easier, with simpler illustrations as well as mascot branding could be made simpler with a simpler illustration (think ads on social media for both mobile and desktop). I think in Asia Mr. Pringles marketing material shows him being animated and expressive in multiple ways.

    • @sanderhackerhd8369
      @sanderhackerhd8369 2 місяці тому

      ​@@OSAYWILLIAMSStill it's a huge downgrade!

    • @jellyface401
      @jellyface401 2 місяці тому +29

      Yet! 😈

    • @dennispious1
      @dennispious1 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@jellyface401Instagram facebook twitter profile pictures are 16X16 pixel sizes when seen in the newsfeed unlike a persons picture these MNC wants there logos to be seen pretty clearly everywhere.
      That's why it's being simplified to be seen clearly even it's a small 16X16 circle

    • @munarong
      @munarong 2 місяці тому +1

      😂

  • @WoefulMinion
    @WoefulMinion 2 місяці тому +615

    "If we go back half a century, logos were predominately simple." "Simplicity was a necessity dictated by the limitations of hand drawing."
    First, half a century is just the mid-1970s. Second, what limitations? Have you seen some of the packages from the early 19th century? Or even Apple's first logo?

    • @APPLP1E
      @APPLP1E 2 місяці тому +40

      Now imagine what iPhones would've looked like if Apple kept their original logo

    • @Miaumiau3333
      @Miaumiau3333 2 місяці тому +124

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but the script really sounds like it was written by ChatGPT, so I'm not surprised by the inaccuracies (e.g. 8:55 "This genre-specific branding enhances the audience's experience by creating a cohesive and immersive visual identity that resonates with the context they are consuming.").

    • @richiehoyt8487
      @richiehoyt8487 2 місяці тому +78

      ​@@Miaumiau3333 Kinda~Sorta, but it reminded me more of a corporate PR consultant fluent in 7 different varieties of bullsh¡†, giving a powerpoint demonstration to a boardroom full of executives.

    • @alface935
      @alface935 2 місяці тому +18

      "If We go back half a century"
      Last time I check a century is 100 Years
      So half a century is 50 years
      50 years from 2024 is 1974
      So yes talking about the mid 1970s and calling it half a century ago is correct

    • @dr.mangopolios3428
      @dr.mangopolios3428 2 місяці тому +33

      ​@@alface935The problem is no such limitations existed in the 1970's

  • @deadlychicken1458
    @deadlychicken1458 2 місяці тому +332

    "Quality"? "Profesionalism"? "LONGTERM Growth"? Yeah sure

  • @jell._.y
    @jell._.y 3 місяці тому +359

    "Mozilla lost its edge" 😂😂😂

    • @davidsal8308
      @davidsal8308 3 місяці тому +13

      Lol didnt even realize that xd

    • @matthewfusaro2590
      @matthewfusaro2590 2 місяці тому +9

      Technically, it's what my design instructor would call a "broken logo" because it can not be reproduced in black and white.

    • @brantisonfire
      @brantisonfire 2 місяці тому

      Did Mozilla become the basis for the Edge browser in Windows? I get the reference but not the entire joke.

    • @aRandomPersonOfTheInternet
      @aRandomPersonOfTheInternet 2 місяці тому

      @@brantisonfire No, Google Chrome is now the basis for Edge, as well as Opera, Brave, Vivaldi, Arc and Spotify for some reason. Firefox & Safari are the only remaning browsers that have nothing to do with Google.

    • @marcoottina654
      @marcoottina654 Місяць тому +1

      I'm not the only one to have noticed it, glad to acknowledge it

  • @dursty3226
    @dursty3226 2 місяці тому +105

    this genuinely sounds like propaganda.
    no questions were answered, but the thing being questioned was made to sound positive, and for those of us who actually want an amswer, even *more* questions were raised by this video.
    one example is this: the video said that the minimalistic logos are perceived as "more elegant and give the impression of luxury and premium quality." but we want to know, as perceived by *who*?? who views it that way? because the whole reason we're questioning the minimalisation of logos in the first place is that we DON'T see the logos as more elegant or representative of luxury.
    so not only did the video fail to answer the initial question, it introduced *another* question and didn't provide an answer.
    i have no idea why anyone would want to make propaganda in support of minimalistic brand logos, but you did it.

    • @LilacMonarch
      @LilacMonarch 2 місяці тому +20

      most of the video really just says "the new logo good, cuz i said so"

    • @CnaDoCna
      @CnaDoCna 2 місяці тому +3

      You can't answer that question because at the end, the perception of luxury is subjective and cultural. I'm UX designer and all I can tell is that minimalistic logos are easier and faster to identify and that's what logos exist for. That's why the trend is not going to change anytime soon imo. If you rlly want to know the theory behind it, you have to reach for a cognitive science textbooks

    • @asmithgames5926
      @asmithgames5926 2 місяці тому

      It's because the new logos generate more money for the brand owners. Because people don't know what they want. They don't like the new logos, but they'll pay more money for products that have the new logos.
      Good post though.

    • @LilacMonarch
      @LilacMonarch Місяць тому +1

      @@asmithgames5926 That's a nice argument senator, how about you back it up with a source?

    • @asmithgames5926
      @asmithgames5926 Місяць тому

      @@LilacMonarch Hell no. It's a guess. But think about it... how many times have you bought a Snickers or something because it had a different design on the wrapper?

  • @Quaker_parrot123
    @Quaker_parrot123 2 місяці тому +274

    ah yes. pringles. the super serios high quality premeim can of chips that you defenitly cant buy at your local supermarket, needs a rebrand of removing charicter for symolizing maturity.

    • @battleframestudios8989
      @battleframestudios8989 2 місяці тому +36

      And don't forget mobile optimization!

    • @Quaker_parrot123
      @Quaker_parrot123 2 місяці тому +10

      @@battleframestudios8989 i heard pringles is making an app. honestly stupid. just walk to your local convenience or supermarket. oh well.

    • @ajwillustratorauthor
      @ajwillustratorauthor 2 місяці тому +10

      Yeah! I’m looking for a mature chip with a clean app logo. As we know we can only order them on our smart watches now.

    • @greenrobot5
      @greenrobot5 Місяць тому

      as a company they have to follow the trends, especially food items, otherwise they lood old fashioned and therefore expired and undesirable

    • @dubl33_27
      @dubl33_27 4 дні тому

      @@greenrobot5 i like pringles because of their taste not their fucking logo, i won't stand there and be like "I like their chips but all these companies have minimalist logos and they don't, hence I don't desire them anymore" like wtf.

  • @bllawlk
    @bllawlk 2 місяці тому +81

    Nah KIA logo was a flop. Sales did increase but it was not due to the logo redesigned for sure.

    • @THTSound
      @THTSound 2 місяці тому +12

      New logo looks also cheaper and kitschy

    • @creativeartstudios6792
      @creativeartstudios6792 2 місяці тому +26

      Kia? You mean KN?

    • @axmat3436
      @axmat3436 2 місяці тому +2

      KN?

    • @creativeartstudios6792
      @creativeartstudios6792 2 місяці тому +6

      @@axmat3436 the new kia logo looks like it says KN not KIA

    • @dw1419
      @dw1419 2 місяці тому +2

      @axmat3436 someone didn’t watch the video

  • @PromisingPod
    @PromisingPod 2 місяці тому +93

    It's really just the bandwagon effect where many companies want to be on the same page. Then, a successful company will come in and overcomplicate designs and then all companies will follow suit. It's just an ebb and flow of trends. The only thing that's certain is that change will happen again.
    This is a pretty good video, though. That's interesting that young companies are more likely to be more complex and colorful. Thanks.

  • @juliantotriwijaya9208
    @juliantotriwijaya9208 2 місяці тому +53

    "Logos back then were simple because of the limitation of a pen, so in reality modern logo simply regress back to it's older design"
    He speak at least 7 different BULLSHITS in this video, have you seen actual brand logos from Victorian era? Or the original Apple logo? It diffinitely was NOT simple, people can do amazing things with a pen, you don't need to use computer D:

  • @sanderhackerhd8369
    @sanderhackerhd8369 2 місяці тому +37

    2:17 In 2000s during the frutiger aero era mobile phones had detailed skeumorphic logos, and nobody had problems with them!
    4:46 Also, never use these corporate memphis style images, they look ugly as hell!

  • @carlos_takeshi
    @carlos_takeshi 2 місяці тому +50

    The new Kia logo looks like KVI. When I first saw it, I wondered who that new manufacturer was.

    • @kubabv3
      @kubabv3 2 місяці тому +24

      it literally looks like "КИ"

    • @Rafaedx3
      @Rafaedx3 2 місяці тому +6

      And it does not look smooth

    • @theman4884
      @theman4884 2 місяці тому +4

      KN If they were smart they would come up with some Korean words where KN would imply their cars are good, like Korean Neat.

    • @stevenscott2136
      @stevenscott2136 2 місяці тому +2

      I thought it was a big "W".

    • @Epic_C
      @Epic_C 2 місяці тому +5

      If they would have simply crossed the A, it wouldn't look like sh

  • @matthewfusaro2590
    @matthewfusaro2590 2 місяці тому +69

    I took a design class in college and was told that logos should look great in black and white as well as in color. If it can not be printed in black and white, then it's a "broken logo". I see the logic behind this but businesses should have different more complex logos for signage and in situations where they can afford to make the logo more visually appealing. Keeping the same simplistic logo in every situation is not helping business but that seems to be the trend lately with large corporations. They no longer care what their customers think.

    • @homurseempsone154
      @homurseempsone154 2 місяці тому +1

      Better than what I was taught. In marketing they literally taught us they appealed to customers and clientele of a higher iq and social status, who were more likely to drop more money

  • @5672step
    @5672step 2 місяці тому +17

    The decision to simplify the logos I feel is a move away from the joy of living life I felt as a kid to the superficial, soulless, shallow, need to look cool and fit in that I'm now experiencing as an adult.

  • @surferzapper20
    @surferzapper20 3 місяці тому +111

    So basically, all that bevel, emboss, drop shadow, gradient and other random digital editing effects we were taught in the 00s have gone the way of WordArt & bubble text now and the new standard is to simplify to stay optimized for all platforms.

    • @onsokumaru4663
      @onsokumaru4663 3 місяці тому +16

      Yeah blame smartphones for that

    • @VuMinhThuFPLHN
      @VuMinhThuFPLHN 3 місяці тому +11

      Less is more. I like cleanliness

    • @sanderhackerhd8369
      @sanderhackerhd8369 2 місяці тому

      ​@@VuMinhThuFPLHNThis is called "bad taste"! Skeumorphic and detailed logos are much better! Other opinions are wrong!

    • @MaddJakd
      @MaddJakd 2 місяці тому +24

      It's awful and lazy. Worse is that someone gets paid the big bucks for this oversimplified trash that a literal gradeshooler can whip up is 3 minites in paint.

    • @matthewfusaro2590
      @matthewfusaro2590 2 місяці тому +5

      Translated: The simpler the logo, the less the company has to pay designers.

  • @sailance9677
    @sailance9677 2 місяці тому +65

    2:12-2:15 - _"branding elements can become cumbersome and ineffective. Detailed logos intricate typography and complex color schemes may not translate well to mobile screens"_ meanwhile icons in menu in mobile phone 2000s: Detailed and varied. somewhere we took a wrong turn 🤔

    • @galvanizeddreamer2051
      @galvanizeddreamer2051 2 місяці тому +31

      Easy, it's called gaslighting. "No, you see it was _always_ bad, we only just now fixed it."

    • @CnaDoCna
      @CnaDoCna 2 місяці тому +1

      Because something was in the past, doesn't mean it was better. Why is that an argument even

    • @galvanizeddreamer2051
      @galvanizeddreamer2051 2 місяці тому +5

      @@CnaDoCna That's because that's not his argument. His argument is that detailed and varied logos were the standard, and were completely readable then.
      It is only now, when companies are actively pushing hypersimplified logos, are they saying that flare and shape are somehow bad design.

    • @CnaDoCna
      @CnaDoCna 2 місяці тому +1

      @@galvanizeddreamer2051 well, standards changed and now we know that we can have something more readable for wider range of sizes, conditions, mediums and people

    • @galvanizeddreamer2051
      @galvanizeddreamer2051 2 місяці тому +1

      @@CnaDoCna I fundementally disagree. We now have hypersimplified shapes that fail to adhere to artistic concepts of readability, and sacrifice artistic value for the sake of universal cohesion when it isn't needed.
      Lighting, color, general implication of shape beyond just a solid color shillouette all play into readability, yet they have all be wholly rejected. Look up how pixelart does it, how they hint at edges and specific shapes when working with abstractions, tricking your brain into seeing details that aren't truly represented. All of that is gone in favor of a single color blob with the same fillet radius on all the corners.
      Material as well. Metallics, mattes, woodgrain, noise. These all play into the feel of a logo, adding to how it is percieved emotionally. Why do you think games and films use color filters, vignetting, and other tricks? It is to reflect the emotion those tricks represent, whether it be nostalgia for the past, awe for the future, or even just the feeling of heat itself.
      Your "standards" killed art, and I'm kinda tired of being told that it was for the better.

  • @tyswizzel
    @tyswizzel 2 місяці тому +19

    It still feels soulless though

  • @millersam07
    @millersam07 2 місяці тому +17

    You forgot the biggest reason of all. Color costs money. It costs more to print it on the product. It costs more to print it in a paper ad. It takes additional time/resources to employee computer graphics artist to make sure the appropriate color design is reflected across different platforms. Especially important if you have a name brand color. Companies will pay these additional costs IF they increase profit margins significantly, BUT if they can keep the same amount of sales with a less expensive version then that's what they're going to do.

    • @dood52751
      @dood52751 2 місяці тому

      Pretty sure this is the main reason, printing cost

    • @f1re585
      @f1re585 27 днів тому +1

      I dont really think its due to the fact it "costs" more if it has a bunch of colors because most advertisments that are printed arent usually priced if it has color or not but rather the quantity or the size.
      The second part tho yeah i do think its more time consuming if a brand has a logo with colors that stand out then it would take more time to find a fitting color scheme but that wont significantly raise the cost.

  • @KoreaSCR
    @KoreaSCR 2 місяці тому +77

    I hate flat design, i hope that Fluent and FrutigerAero will defeat this evil aesthetic

  • @toonman361
    @toonman361 2 місяці тому +74

    Your video says "brands must be agile and responsive to changing customer demands" yet you also say the companies intentionally change their branding to communicate a new identity. So what comes first, customer demand or company enforcement of its goals on the customer?

    • @RextheRebel
      @RextheRebel 2 місяці тому

      Companies never care about customers. Only controlling narratives customers hear and consumption habits customers see.

    • @uis246
      @uis246 2 місяці тому +19

      Profits. It's always profits.

    • @bonevelous
      @bonevelous 2 місяці тому +6

      I think companies ask themselves that all the time, and go with whichever seems like it will bring them more dough this year than the last.

    • @MaddJakd
      @MaddJakd 2 місяці тому

      Both

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP 2 місяці тому

      Exactly, this video feels like AI generated corporate dickriding

  • @chocolatemilkshake9168
    @chocolatemilkshake9168 3 місяці тому +14

    No i simply dont get Volkswagen and waner brothers ... Its just fomo faced by these companies !!

    • @neculadenis
      @neculadenis 2 місяці тому

      You don't have to understand anything. Both the Volkswagen and Warner Bros logos were redesigned to be very similar to logos they used a long time ago. The current Warner Bros logo is similar to the versions they used throughout 1930 and 1960s and 1970. Similar case with volkswagen. Just Google "volkswagen logo history" and you'll see.

  • @TheThirstyDragon_
    @TheThirstyDragon_ 3 місяці тому +100

    only brand that ruined their logo is twitter

    • @APPLP1E
      @APPLP1E 2 місяці тому +23

      R.I.P. blue bird

    • @djoakeydoakey1076
      @djoakeydoakey1076 2 місяці тому

      When I see the new twitter logo on metricool, I keep clicking on it thinking it's the close button!

    • @jond2697
      @jond2697 2 місяці тому +1

      That's a weird way of spelling "enhanced"!

    • @radio_marco
      @radio_marco 2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, Musk really ruined it.

    • @NumbaOne
      @NumbaOne 2 місяці тому +2

      Well twitter does count because it was bought by a private investigator and became his play thing, instead of a company naturally evolving

  • @mr.tobson6510
    @mr.tobson6510 2 місяці тому +56

    No, the reason is people became less and less creative and art no longer plays a big role. Look at example at the old buildings of the 18th century. So much more elegance and art. People shouldn't be proud of the simplification from nowadays things in my opinion

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 2 місяці тому +6

      no, people did not become less creative, and your opinions on buildings or whatever are subjective (and buildings don't represent our collective artistic abilities)

    • @mr.tobson6510
      @mr.tobson6510 2 місяці тому +10

      @@vibaj16 maybe your opinion is subjective as well😉

    • @stevenscott2136
      @stevenscott2136 2 місяці тому +5

      Those 18th century buildings would be absurdly expensive now. Buildings are simple because simple is cheap.

    • @EthanRom
      @EthanRom 2 місяці тому

      If you were born in the 18th century. You wouldn’t live in those ornate buildings. Those are only for the nobles, wealthy and royalty

    • @fishyfinthing8854
      @fishyfinthing8854 2 місяці тому

      You know, before there’s steel framed concrete, building can’t be built tall and require more sophisticated techniques such as stone arc or flying buttress to keep it together.

  • @pulsariti3348
    @pulsariti3348 2 місяці тому +10

    No but getting rid of pringles' old logo is criminal
    I loved that guy and now hes just some blunt face :((

  • @dovs96
    @dovs96 2 місяці тому +7

    Yeah, sure. It was fitting well on ANY KIND of merch and branded products, such as pens, t-shirts, mugs. For decades. Now it doesn't fit the iphone retina screen which probably has 10-100x more resolution and color variety than printing tech they used to print that old, overcomplicated logo on some merch pens or badges till it's very last day.
    Bunch of bull and buzzword nonsense.

  • @JeffSyam
    @JeffSyam 2 місяці тому +16

    One of the worst is SiliconeGraphics, from incredible 3D wire mesh cube to just simply " s g i "

  • @natesullivanw24
    @natesullivanw24 2 місяці тому +9

    Make everything look flat and the same to stand out

  • @derek-64
    @derek-64 2 місяці тому +26

    Maturity? Sounds like a lame excuse.

    • @fishyfinthing8854
      @fishyfinthing8854 2 місяці тому +2

      In my perspective, there’s no such thing as company’s maturity. There’s only the change of staffs.
      And for better or worse, the new staff may keep the brand their predecessors had built, improve upon, or ruin it.

  • @RightBoyKA-POW
    @RightBoyKA-POW 2 місяці тому +13

    6:10 That is KN, not KIA!

  • @onemorechris
    @onemorechris 3 місяці тому +177

    3 things the general public usually don’t understand about rebranding; 1. it makes a ton of money, through the market shift as mentioned in the video, cost savings and/or attention; 2. it’s not expensive for large companies to do this compared to other options; 3. individuals personal taste doesn’t matter.

    • @ramoloii
      @ramoloii 3 місяці тому +24

      I’m not so sure about “not expensive” , a big company has to reprint everything when they rebrand…all stationary, merch, and ads… I doubt that’s inexpensive, but I could be wrong

    • @onemorechris
      @onemorechris 3 місяці тому +18

      @@ramoloiitrue however, this can be done over a period of time, Where tools may have been replaced anyway. With Pringles as an example, one way the new logo saves them money is the old logo required maybe 20 colours (to reproduce the gradient on the moustache requires lots of colours), the new one requires only two, and maybe in some cases only one colour. After 6 to 18 months, that saving in reproduction my actually pay for the logo change on its own.

    • @RextheRebel
      @RextheRebel 2 місяці тому +22

      1 thing the general public doesn't understand: capitalism doesn't actually care about your opinion. Consume product and then consume more product. Find happiness in consuming products!

    • @onemorechris
      @onemorechris 2 місяці тому +7

      @@RextheRebel 100%. there can often be a large discrepancy between what people say and what people actually do too. so very vocal unhappy people when design is the focus usually don’t translate to a larger group of people and often doesn’t even represent that persons real world behaviour. turns out angry people’s money is still money :)

    • @Kalvinjj
      @Kalvinjj 2 місяці тому +4

      @@onemorechris the color count would mean something if it didn't need to also print a picture that takes full range offset printing on the label anyway.
      In the end they are changing less ink per square millimeter of several tones (that they're already applying on the chips picture anyway) to a single dense black area. Can't really tell which one is any cheaper.

  • @noman6041
    @noman6041 2 місяці тому +82

    If you ask me it's plain laziness. Modern companies just don't want to invest the time and creativity in their branding anymore-all they want is the recognition and the attention. For those of us that only use their phones to make calls with [yes, you can actually make calls on your phone] the whole 'minimalist optimization' for devices is just a cop-out. It's laziness, it has nothing to do with maturity. As for the WB redesign, their OLD logo was highly versatile and could be used in many different settings. These people need to keep their jobs and need to stay relevant, so they 'fix' things that aren't broken [Anyone from Google reading this?]

    • @toonman361
      @toonman361 2 місяці тому +6

      And what's more recognizable than what has already existed?

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 2 місяці тому +11

      If they were lazy, they'd just keep their old logos

    • @JoeContext
      @JoeContext 2 місяці тому +13

      Even those of us who use phones for a lot of things agree the old logos were perfectly fine. Hell, actual smartphone app icons in the early days all had that glossy aesthetic and there wasn't a problem

    • @matthewfusaro2590
      @matthewfusaro2590 2 місяці тому +4

      That's precisely what I think. Why pay someone to come up with different versions of a logo when it's cheaper to take the one simple logo and scale it up? Besides, most corporations stopped caring what their customers think.

    • @rayganparksmitchell
      @rayganparksmitchell 2 місяці тому +3

      ​@@vibaj16 If they were lazy then they would oversimplify and debrand their logos

  • @judichristopher4604
    @judichristopher4604 2 місяці тому +12

    I must be old fashion....
    I hated ALL the changes ... The New and Improved Logo lack... everything.
    They're BLAH...
    I understand and respect the change... but as an Artist... I do not like it.

    • @kryton7687
      @kryton7687 2 місяці тому +2

      these logos are like if car designs iterated to Cybertruck. new, simplified, and everyone hates it.

  • @THTSound
    @THTSound 2 місяці тому +43

    No, the logos are still minimalistic and unaesthetic,and doesn't denote at all in any case "maturity" and "professionalism" it denote laziness and lack of ideas and lack of good leaders and innovations.

  • @baronvg
    @baronvg 2 місяці тому +13

    There’s something really off with the VW logo having this air gap at the bottom 😂

    • @animeBoobsLover
      @animeBoobsLover 2 місяці тому

      @@slapshotjack9806I don’t believe you actually have that opinion about the old VW logo, you’re definitely complimenting the new logo only to cause people to rage and be mad

    • @Schnipp08
      @Schnipp08 2 місяці тому +1

      The gap between the V and the W confuses me more. I could swear that back in the 90s and early 2000s there was no gap. But their logo history claims there was always a gap.

    • @rachelpurity1
      @rachelpurity1 2 місяці тому

      @@slapshotjack9806 The badge is convex tho... It simply reflected the actual badge.

  • @BizWrld
    @BizWrld 3 місяці тому +40

    another banger