Knowing the pacing will be so fast in the later seasons, i forgive the slower route now. We only saw the three places, the wall, winterfell, and Pentose (assuming that’s close to where the wedding was held). Introducing all the characters we needed to see in the pilot was surely no easy task.
I think with some cutting and restructuring the pilot would've felt better paced and more impactful in terms of character introductions. While they had a lot of characters to tackle, I think they should've allowed themselves to spread out the introductions over more episodes. But I understand they wanted to end the pilot with bran's fall so they had to set up for that accordingly.
I found it annoying that Lady Stark tells Bran to go tell his father that the king is arriving. The Stark soldier-scouts would have been keeping Lord Stark apprised of the King’s whereabouts every five minutes all the way from King’s Landing, if they’re worth their salt as guards; he didn’t need a little kid to come tell him that the king is practically on the doorstep
I don't think the writers were really thinking anything of it and just put that in randomly to finish the scene, but if I had to toss them a bone, I guess you could say that the instruction is less about genuinely informing Ned and more about Catelyn involving the excited Bran in the situation.
Funny you harp on them repeatedly pointing out that the queen and Jamie are siblings/twins but if you watch the reaction channels about half of them miss that fact or are unsure of their relationship when Bran gets pushed. Same for pointing out the punishment for desertion from the nights watch. Many reactors don't understand why Ned had to kill the deserter. If anything they needed to expand on him being a deserter because he was caught south of the wall. The plot hole here is how did he get past the wall? He says he should have gone back but he had to pass castle black to get near winterfell. I thought theu should have made the difference between white walkers and wights clear by having him say he saw both wights and walkers. Most don't realize there is a difference until Sam kills one or hardhome when one walks through flames. I thought it was a fine pilot and was hooked by it which is the actual point of a pilot. There are a lot of characters introduced and them being twins is crucial to the plot so it needed to be repeated.
I haven't seen any reaction videos, but if people missed that, then it's likely because the episode was overly dependent on passing statements that they're siblings rather than developing it over the course of several episodes prior to the revelation of the nature of their relationship. I understand though that they wanted to pack a lot into this pilot in order to get it to end with Bran's fall, so for me it's more of an amusing thing to point out. Not sure why people don't understand the deserter issue. In the scene of the beheading, the man says "I know I broke my oath." And then later Ned explains it to Bran. Good catch on the plot hole, didn't notice that for him, though in later episodes I did wonder how the wildlings made it south. I agree that the pilot definitely hooks you, it did the first time I ever watched it due to the nature of the new world and the crazy teaser/crazy final scene, it makes you curious what will happen next, but when it came down to rewatching and analyzing the actual writing, issues like pacing and poorly written exposition heavily stood out. Also, I think a lot of my commentary on this episode was about how character threads won't go anywhere by the time we get to season 8. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
@@TrashTalkReverse To be fair a lot of the reaction channels were to busy giving commentary to pay proper attention. The wildlings could sail around the wall where a single nights watch man would have to find another way, maybe the way Sam, Gilly and Bran got through but it seems the fastest way to safety would be going back to castle black. But maybe not. I liked the show even to the end but I felt they dragged the story out in the middle and rushed it at the end. And the end did feel contrived and nonsequitur. Bran says he can't be lord of anything but being king is fine. I'm still not convinced that bran isn't the main villain in the story. I need to watch it again to get the order of things straight. He knew the dead couldn't pass the wall (Benjen) but did nothing to prevent the night king from getting a dragon in fact he sent ravens to stir Jon and others into acting when it seems he didn't need to do anything, the wall should have kept them out but we weren't privy to what would have happened if he didn't. I did hate a few of the contrivances to advance the plot. Like going to kidnap a wight when everyone should have known Cersei would just use it to her gain and not help. Jon not getting on the dragon. And the iron fleet spotting and shooting the dragon before they could be spotted from the air when the fleet should have been obvious from miles away from the air. Rickon being to dense to run in a zig zag, they could have had him run in a random path and just had the Bollton army ride him down when they couldn't hit him with an arrow and still lured Jon into a rash decision as required by the plot. Maybe I have more issues than I thought. Thank you for your detailed reply, I look forward to your continued review and analysis. Even if I may not agree with some of it.
I do not know why you think the dothraki are supposed to be native americans. They are based off of mongolians. Also, yes theu are portrayed as savage because they are savage. It's such a weird thing that the white actors with a tan you call "people of color" and then say they are being poetrayed as savage because they are "people of color". I think you would agree that the people of westeros are depicted as being terrible in their own right more than enough times. Not only that, even if only the "brown" people were evil, who cares? People of color are more than capable of being bad. I agree with your perspective on the fact that george has no idea what he's doing with the story, but that irked me a bit. I do think that your passion does show through in the video, and I hope you continue making videos because this was entertaining.
I believe GRRM said they were inspired by a combination of native americans, mongolians, and other horse-riding groups in history. And it's not a good people or bad people type of thing, it's more the way the culture is depicted and how that lines up with a long history of orientalist views by the west, this tendency to see western civilization as modern, more civilized, non-savage, and the tendency to view eastern societies as the reverse. Sure, there are terrible people in Westeros, but the culture itself, when starkly contrasted with the Dothraki way as not only depicted but often explained by Jorah to Dany this season, doesn't present Westerosis in a negative light. There are degenerates and awful people in Westeros, but the Dothraki as a whole (especially later this season) are pillagers, slavers, and worse. If this show included a similarly "savage" white group, like Vikings in our world, it wouldn't feel as weird. That coupled with the fact that all the poc groups in this show (from my memory) are part of cultures that are depicted as less civilized. It's not inherently racist or anything, it's just something a lot of shows and movies will default to. As for white actors with a tan, many people in what we would consider the middle east or west asia have skin tone more in line with caucasian people, but they are still, in the global sphere, treated as poc because they're non western. And when you have a blonde, white character like Dany going into the east and "liberating" the poc groups without the show really diving into her Valyrian ancestors also being eastern and utilizing violence (dragons) to colonize, it's hard not to read it like that. I know this has been a debated hot topic in the GOT viewing community so this was my take on it. Thank you for commenting, for watching and enjoying the video. I will be continuing with the whole series (have already finished season 1 which will upload weekly)
@@Matty-pn9fy not sure if you've ever read a history book or even been around during the 20th century, but Hollywood literally had decades of making movies making native americans and similar groups of people look like violent inhumane savages and villains. Not that that's what grrm is doing, but the show definitely portrays them in a questionable way. It's okay to admit that internal prejudices still exist
Knowing the pacing will be so fast in the later seasons, i forgive the slower route now. We only saw the three places, the wall, winterfell, and Pentose (assuming that’s close to where the wedding was held).
Introducing all the characters we needed to see in the pilot was surely no easy task.
I think with some cutting and restructuring the pilot would've felt better paced and more impactful in terms of character introductions. While they had a lot of characters to tackle, I think they should've allowed themselves to spread out the introductions over more episodes. But I understand they wanted to end the pilot with bran's fall so they had to set up for that accordingly.
I found it annoying that Lady Stark tells Bran to go tell his father that the king is arriving. The Stark soldier-scouts would have been keeping Lord Stark apprised of the King’s whereabouts every five minutes all the way from King’s Landing, if they’re worth their salt as guards; he didn’t need a little kid to come tell him that the king is practically on the doorstep
I don't think the writers were really thinking anything of it and just put that in randomly to finish the scene, but if I had to toss them a bone, I guess you could say that the instruction is less about genuinely informing Ned and more about Catelyn involving the excited Bran in the situation.
Funny you harp on them repeatedly pointing out that the queen and Jamie are siblings/twins but if you watch the reaction channels about half of them miss that fact or are unsure of their relationship when Bran gets pushed.
Same for pointing out the punishment for desertion from the nights watch. Many reactors don't understand why Ned had to kill the deserter.
If anything they needed to expand on him being a deserter because he was caught south of the wall.
The plot hole here is how did he get past the wall? He says he should have gone back but he had to pass castle black to get near winterfell.
I thought theu should have made the difference between white walkers and wights clear by having him say he saw both wights and walkers.
Most don't realize there is a difference until Sam kills one or hardhome when one walks through flames.
I thought it was a fine pilot and was hooked by it which is the actual point of a pilot.
There are a lot of characters introduced and them being twins is crucial to the plot so it needed to be repeated.
I haven't seen any reaction videos, but if people missed that, then it's likely because the episode was overly dependent on passing statements that they're siblings rather than developing it over the course of several episodes prior to the revelation of the nature of their relationship. I understand though that they wanted to pack a lot into this pilot in order to get it to end with Bran's fall, so for me it's more of an amusing thing to point out.
Not sure why people don't understand the deserter issue. In the scene of the beheading, the man says "I know I broke my oath." And then later Ned explains it to Bran.
Good catch on the plot hole, didn't notice that for him, though in later episodes I did wonder how the wildlings made it south.
I agree that the pilot definitely hooks you, it did the first time I ever watched it due to the nature of the new world and the crazy teaser/crazy final scene, it makes you curious what will happen next, but when it came down to rewatching and analyzing the actual writing, issues like pacing and poorly written exposition heavily stood out. Also, I think a lot of my commentary on this episode was about how character threads won't go anywhere by the time we get to season 8.
Thanks for taking the time to comment!
@@TrashTalkReverse To be fair a lot of the reaction channels were to busy giving commentary to pay proper attention.
The wildlings could sail around the wall where a single nights watch man would have to find another way, maybe the way Sam, Gilly and Bran got through but it seems the fastest way to safety would be going back to castle black. But maybe not.
I liked the show even to the end but I felt they dragged the story out in the middle and rushed it at the end. And the end did feel contrived and nonsequitur. Bran says he can't be lord of anything but being king is fine.
I'm still not convinced that bran isn't the main villain in the story. I need to watch it again to get the order of things straight.
He knew the dead couldn't pass the wall (Benjen) but did nothing to prevent the night king from getting a dragon in fact he sent ravens to stir Jon and others into acting when it seems he didn't need to do anything, the wall should have kept them out but we weren't privy to what would have happened if he didn't.
I did hate a few of the contrivances to advance the plot.
Like going to kidnap a wight when everyone should have known Cersei would just use it to her gain and not help. Jon not getting on the dragon. And the iron fleet spotting and shooting the dragon before they could be spotted from the air when the fleet should have been obvious from miles away from the air. Rickon being to dense to run in a zig zag, they could have had him run in a random path and just had the Bollton army ride him down when they couldn't hit him with an arrow and still lured Jon into a rash decision as required by the plot.
Maybe I have more issues than I thought.
Thank you for your detailed reply, I look forward to your continued review and analysis. Even if I may not agree with some of it.
I do not know why you think the dothraki are supposed to be native americans. They are based off of mongolians. Also, yes theu are portrayed as savage because they are savage. It's such a weird thing that the white actors with a tan you call "people of color" and then say they are being poetrayed as savage because they are "people of color". I think you would agree that the people of westeros are depicted as being terrible in their own right more than enough times. Not only that, even if only the "brown" people were evil, who cares? People of color are more than capable of being bad. I agree with your perspective on the fact that george has no idea what he's doing with the story, but that irked me a bit. I do think that your passion does show through in the video, and I hope you continue making videos because this was entertaining.
I believe GRRM said they were inspired by a combination of native americans, mongolians, and other horse-riding groups in history. And it's not a good people or bad people type of thing, it's more the way the culture is depicted and how that lines up with a long history of orientalist views by the west, this tendency to see western civilization as modern, more civilized, non-savage, and the tendency to view eastern societies as the reverse.
Sure, there are terrible people in Westeros, but the culture itself, when starkly contrasted with the Dothraki way as not only depicted but often explained by Jorah to Dany this season, doesn't present Westerosis in a negative light. There are degenerates and awful people in Westeros, but the Dothraki as a whole (especially later this season) are pillagers, slavers, and worse. If this show included a similarly "savage" white group, like Vikings in our world, it wouldn't feel as weird. That coupled with the fact that all the poc groups in this show (from my memory) are part of cultures that are depicted as less civilized. It's not inherently racist or anything, it's just something a lot of shows and movies will default to.
As for white actors with a tan, many people in what we would consider the middle east or west asia have skin tone more in line with caucasian people, but they are still, in the global sphere, treated as poc because they're non western. And when you have a blonde, white character like Dany going into the east and "liberating" the poc groups without the show really diving into her Valyrian ancestors also being eastern and utilizing violence (dragons) to colonize, it's hard not to read it like that.
I know this has been a debated hot topic in the GOT viewing community so this was my take on it. Thank you for commenting, for watching and enjoying the video. I will be continuing with the whole series (have already finished season 1 which will upload weekly)
@@TrashTalkReverseyou’re take is misguided and shows a clear time gap between grrm in 1990s and you in 2024
@@Matty-pn9fy not sure if you've ever read a history book or even been around during the 20th century, but Hollywood literally had decades of making movies making native americans and similar groups of people look like violent inhumane savages and villains. Not that that's what grrm is doing, but the show definitely portrays them in a questionable way. It's okay to admit that internal prejudices still exist