Is The Great Tribulation About To Begin?
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"Is The Great Tribulation About To Begin?"
Jeff Durbin continues his discussion about the end Times and Christian Eschatology with this discussion about the Tribulation and the Olivet Discourse. What do we make about the world right now? Wars? Famines? Disasters? Immortality?
Are we about to be raptured?
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Rita then Helen 😂
I’m so glad we have had some theology episodes lately.
Yeah! It's nice that they take a break from news sometime.
I'm sure they'll say no. But I wish Christ would return already. I am sick of this wicked world.
Perseverance of the Saints, Sister! God is Good and on His Throne!
@@ElectofGodfromEternity That's easy to say when things are going well. I'm in my mid 50s, no husband/children (through no decision or wish of my own), caring for elderly father, barely working part time. What am I supposed to do in the godless city of Chicago if / when Christ decides to give this country over in judgment to the godless Marxists? It's terrifying. Those who say it isn't are living in denial. When nations get judged, EVERYONE suffers.
It’ll happen when the gospel is preached to EVERY creature across the world… We’re not quite there yet.. That’s the only prophecy yet to be fulfilled
You don't understand the theology of this church so you
It's closer than we think.
Thank you very much for uploading your content to UA-cam for us. Your uploads have really helped me understand some things I was confused about on my journey from atheism to Christianity. I may not agree with 100% of everything, but 99% I accept. Thank you for telling the Truth!!
Love too hear and learn the message of end times in and throughout scripture and how it is proclaimed as one complete theme of the kingdom of God to change the world. The gospel! To understand that God will not stop until He brings justice to the ends of the earth and the coastlands wait for His law. And He will put ll His enemies under His feet. It is glorious! Gives hope in this world to know God is sovereign and reigning no matter what it looks like. Glory to God!
Current times are dark/uncertain. This drives people to seek clarity on the future. So they squeeze (unconsciously) biblical text to fit a narrative they think will happen so they feel in control of their situation rather than accepting the fact that God is in control of everything. I believe that Jeff provides sanity and focus on how Christ's followers should view biblical text and live their lives. This isn't to say that I agree with everything Jeff says, but where we disagree in on unessential topics.
Awesome my brother Jeff!!! Gives me chills as well! Praise God!
Glad you enjoyed it
Its amazing when someone is so blind see what is happening around themselves.
It makes me really wonder…given the Holy Spirit will show us what is to come John 16:13-15. It’s so obvious yet these guys don’t see it worries me
@@matts.6558what are you talking about?
If it is so obvious, please give your reasons from Scripture.
@@joshnelson3344is there something confusing? The Bible teaches the Holy Spirit will show us the things to come....Christ preparing His church for the things to come....so when someone sits back and says all of this is just speed bumps on the way to a Christian world, and can't discern through the Holy Spirit the times and seasons and the puzzle pieces coming into place, then where is the Holy Spirit in that person? Are they suppressing and quenching it, or have they left the faith? I would tend to think the former, but I think the curse of Revelation could apply here (taking away the words of the prophecy - basically the first 20 chapters - by saying they happened in 70 AD)...but for your sake and for Jeff's sake I hope not. But when you butcher scripture like that (i.e. anybody with a reasonable brain can research and find out that John wrote Rev in the 90's AD, well after 70 AD), I mean you've fallen for deceit haven't you?
@@spencerenright You should be able to carefully examine what is happening with modern day Israel and start to see the truth, but because you reject them as not still being part of God's plan (Daniels 70th week), that's on you dude. The tribulation focuses on Daniels 70th week, he was not writing about the church (although the church will suffer immensely in the tribulation as well), he was writing in context about the Jews. I am not a dispensationalist or pre-tribber, I just read the Bible.
Romans 11:25
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved
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Thank you!
Thanks so much for everything you share. I love to hear your biblical opinion on what Jesus gave us in his word
Thanks for the education 🙏
You mean, thanks for the false unbiblical education!
Oh boy I caught the stream just in time!
Every generation thinks it's "their" time; if only more thought about the great commission.
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is Yahweh God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
We are the first generation to actually have the technology referenced in revelation. The mark of the beast is a form of currency, we are thefirst generation to have bitcoin. The two witnesses will be viewed by every nation, we are first generation to have livestreaming. So it's not totally crazy to think it might be us.
@@beequeen626 it does not reference modern technology.
@JadDragon maybe, maybe not. It is a valid interpretation, in my opinion.
@@beequeen626 no maybe, it doesn't. It is not a valid interpretation it is reading modern ideas into the text.
@JadDragon well, the text describes a future time, so yeah. If someone in the 1800 described a computer, I would be reading my modern ideas into the description because I know what that object is whereas the person who wrote it didn't know what it was.
Im still working my way through the whole Bible. Im glad you mentioned going back to the quotes given in the NT from the OT - Im going to go back and read the OT for context now. Thank you for this! God Bless! ❤
If I can make a suggestion when going back to those Old Testament quotes. I know it can be a bit daunting, but wherever that quote is coming from read the entire chapter or even sometimes the surrounding chapters. Why? Because in the Hebraic culture, a lot of what they learned was by word of mouth by those in authority over them and Israelites would often memorize large sections of the Scriptures because they did not have the luxury like we do to own their own Bibles. The quotations from the Apostles were meant to trigger their memorization of whole passages, not just reading the verse they were quoting (isolated from the context).
Also another thing, the Apostles often quote from the Greek translation of the Old Testament (from about 200 years before Jesus), this is known as the Greek Septuagint (often abbreviated as LXX). It is important to get your hands on this translation (in English of course) and read it along side your English translation of the Old Testament (translated from the Masoretic Hebrew). Why? Because around A.D. 160, there were some Rabbis who were actively changing and corrupting their Hebrew texts in order to obscure the Messianic prophecies (that Christians were using to prove that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah). These corruptions and changes unfortunately made their way into Masoretic Hebrew texts and it is the Masoretic that is almost exclusively used to translate the Old Testament in our English Bibles. If interested in more of that I can give you several examples of those changes.
I really appreciate the info and suggestion! Interesting stuff. I dont find it daunting, I love digging deeper and trying to understand what's being revealed to me. I have so many translations and commentaries and resources for studying Scripture, I could spend hours just going into one verse! My issue is wanting to soak in so much and not having enough time to get to as much as I want to every day.
@@Elitearcherrr Amen! I am a father of two, I know exactly what you mean about not having enough time. Godspeed!
Jeff is Postmillennial. Most people misunderstand the Postmillennial position and usually misrepresent it with saying, “those Postmil guys believe the world is going to get better and better…” This is never a slogan from Postmillennialists. We believe that Christ is reigning now, that His Kingdom was established in the 1st century when the Old Covenant was overthrown and destroyed (physically in AD 70) and that the Gospel of the Kingdom will succeed throughout all history. Does this mean that every nation during every time period throughout history was “better?” By no means. There are dips throughout history that seem to lean away from the Gospel at times, but we do not look at these dips as a definitive failure of the Gospel or an end to the Kingdom that Daniel says will never end (Daniel 7:13-14). I often tell people, look at the big picture. The Kingdom of God through Jesus Christ was established by Christ and 12 guys. Fast-forward the next 2,000 years and there are hundreds of millions or even billions of Christ followers. This is not what I would call getting worse. History is saturated with Gospel succession and Kingdom expansion. If all we do is look at the last 50 or 100 years over a span of 2,000 years, then of course we are going to believe “we lose down here…” There is hope for the Kingdom of God to continue as it always has. But we need our worldview to change. If we believe things are going to get worse or even believe it is suppose to, then we will do nothing to change that. But if we believe as the Apostles believed in the midst of Jewish and Roman persecutions that the nations belong to Christ, then we will begin to see the world and the Great Commission differently.
I just started watching Jeff and his post millennial view, and I believe it’s correct. Coming into Christian belief over the last 3 years, I What is taught the pre-TRIB pro Zionist view. Well it makes no sense after reading the Bible. I’m beginning to believe this could be the great delusion, that’s spoken about in the Bible. This may be a reach, but researching its conspiratorial foundation from it inception to now. I feel the majority of churches who now believed this have become weak and ineffectual when it comes to spreading the word and fighting for what is righteous in Gods word, In other words they concern themselves with their own salvation and escape while the culture which has horrible deteriorates since the physical state of ISREAL inception. Using the OT to explain the NT, and waiting for escape is a losing proposition. Just some thoughts
But then who is the antichrist? he still hasn’t been revealed.. and also hasn’t made false peace with isreal i mean look at isreal right now there still at war so I disagree also where is the false prophet and the mark of the beast let alone the judgements that are due to the earth lie how it says in revelation with the seals and trumpets and bowls
In this belief when is the 1000 year reign and when does Satan get loosed again until final judgement? Not asking to argue I’m asking to understand. Thanks.
@@mike34744 I grew up in the Lutheran church. People cling to their traditions and doctrines instead of taking a hard look at the Bible. I had never even heard of the rapture until I was born-again. And then I was taught the left behind theory. (ugh!). But over the covid years, I spent a lot of time studying it out and listening to some good solid teaching on the subject matter. Don't get me wrong...I love love love the strong and uncompromising way reformers present God, Christ and the Gospel. I just disagree with their end times position.
@mike34744 most believe that the 1000 years is symbolic of a long period of time. As used elsewhere in the Bible. And that It is now, Christ is ruling and reigning now. All authority on heaven and earth has been given to Him. Once the “1000 years” are over, Satan is released to practice his deception for a little while before the return of Christ.
Answering the title...no.
Alright, see y'all later!
Then your being misinformed. 8 have not watched yet, but if they are saying nothing is happening, it's a lie, or just wr9ng. Ask me how?
I know why, because you don't have a clue. The world has improved in the grand scheme of things. It continues to get better too. Ask me how I know!
@@mattverville9227 how do you know?🙈🙉🙊
@@mattverville9227 are there any signs of the end of the age? And give me your eschatology, in a short summary. If you don't mind. I'm sure you don't cause you took the time to respond. So ok, let's have this discussion.
Lolll 😂
33:21 I spy Dr White mannerisms rubbing off on Jeff lol “(duh da duh da?) Yep, yep… (duh da, da da-da?) Yep..” That Kadence ending with a question followed by the yeps is pure Dr White! lol! Love it-haha
Me too it’s really sad to see.
Thanks for the eye opener
Amen ♥️ 🙏 Thank you 👍
26:45 In Matthew 3 where John the Baptist says “even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees…” (Matthew 3:10); this is judgment language pulled directly from other judgment passages (Isaiah 10:33-34; Jeremiah 46:22-23 and Malachi 1:1-5). The imagery used through the New Testament especially in Revelation is not by accident or coincidence. It is used in order to bring the reader into remembrance of past judgments that have occurred to Israel.
6:48 Pray for the victims of Helena so much destruction
Pretribulation is the way its gonna happen
Well it's obvious you didn't watch the video you're replying on.
You have to interact with Peter Goeman. He is the new Dispensationalist that is following you guys and critiquing your stuff who is not a certified crazy person. He is from MacArthur’s crowd.
Or he's your brother in Christ who retains a different hermeneutic. Heart check. Shalom.
@@Rhall6451
A hermeneutic that implies Christ is a liar and false prophet. Be consistent dude. Don’t stop there.
@@washedclaymind explaining?
@@washedclay No one has called Jesus a liar. That's your unfounded disposition you're parroting because you don't have an intelligent way of responding to my rebuke. I'm calling you to love. Your heart wants to demonize anyone who disagrees with you, it's truly not a good posture to have.
The historical-grammatical hermeneutic simply takes God at his word. Think about Eve in the garden, the serpent took the literal word of God, and changed it.
My encouragement to you is to understand a position before you condemn it. We're Christians not Durbians or MacArthurians.
A lot of these comments are people who obviously have not read the Bible enough or are making assumptions based on lack of knowledge of the Bible. Jesus is on a throne yes? What do rulers do on a throne? They reign. He is reigning since his resurrection. The devil is mortally wounded but Jesus is in control of all things at all times. The nations and peoples will be shaped until the kingdom is full and complete and death is finally destroyed.
Jeff, you need to get John Rich on this podcast to talk about this because he has come to the realization about the secret rapture being inaccurate. He also uses matthew twenty four out of context for the second coming. He is very outspoken about this on podcasts, like tucker and jordan peterson.
and all this hinges on an early dating of revelation..just do some research, watch debates, read the early church writings on the topic. the argument for an early dating is so weak, it's nearly nonexistent.
Durbin lies
Agreed. Here is what Irenaeus said about the date of Revelation, in Against Heresies, Book V, Chapter 30:
"We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign."
Domitian reigned from 81-96 A.D., so a 95 A.D. date is very solid and likely and Irenaeus was Polycarp's disciple (whom himself was the disciple of the Apostle John) and Irenaeus lived in the 2nd century, so if I think I'll side with him on this.
@eclipsesonic thank you for including that, great stuff. I also find the argument of the differences in the churches between Paul's writings and the introduction to Revelation strongly supporting a late date.
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must >>soon>the time is near.>soon>a little longer,>near.>“Surely I am coming soon.”
I can disagree with you on eschatology and still believe you are a Brother in Christ.
Revelation 19:10 NKJV
.....Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
David’s throne was not and is not at the right hand of the Father in Heaven.
Read the Parable of the Ten Minas in Luke 19: “…because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. He said therefore, ‘A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return.’”
Reading the Bible in context, at face value, with proper attention paid to author and audience will only lead one to conclude that restoration and a Christianization of national Israel is a future event brought about through the events of the Tribulation, Daniel’s 70th week, the time of Jacob’s trouble, whatever biblical phrase you want to use.
Then, and only then, “After the tribulation of those days… Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
The Church is not Israel. God keeps His promises.
I grew up baptist and am now a sda. Watch Ivor Myers blueprint its a bit over an hr long but worth the watch.
I used to attend SDA and now I attend a baptist church
I've always been pulled to Daniel and Revelation when studying the bible. When I'd go to Baptist seminars on revelation series on the end times, it left me with more questions than answers. During covid, I watched revelation speaks peace by Shaun Bunstra, and it was clarity for me. Signs and symbols is a good one as well. When Jesus comes back, every eye shall see Him it's not going to be a secret.
@@corrieelizabeth1898 I heard the plain and simple gospel through an SDA attendee. So grateful to be set free from sin, but after a while the weight was added back on one chain link at a time. There was too little focus on the gospel and being saved by Grace through faith alone and much more about what specific day to worship on and end times.
@@corrieelizabeth1898 thanks for sharing by the way.
@@corrieelizabeth1898, When the Lord comes back, it will be no secret, but leading up to that day, it will be like the days of Noah before the flood. The words of the Lord.
Matthew 24:37:39
Hey Jeff, keep doing that thing you do. The Dispensational pavement cracks are getting bigger.
Let the text "speak for itself" in the old testament too. You read the new testament back into it. Overall bad hermeneutics.
Matt 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be
(This has not happened)
Jeff I love you as a brother. But you need to learn how to disagree with people without demonizing them. (Not just talking about this video).
There is a legitimate exegetical case for premillennialism if you interpret OT passages in their context and read the Bible grammatically and historically.
Your hermeneutic doesn't allow unfulfilled prophecy or very little of it. We call it a bad presupposition.. but one day we'll all figure out who's right.
I exhort you to read and meditate on 2 Pet 3 and to hold onto the blessed hope we have in Christ Jesus. Shalom.
Would I be correct in telling my family that the world will eventually get better seeing that His kingdom will fill the whole earth?
Yes! If you haven't read Ken Gentry's book "He Shall Have Dominion" or "Paradise Restored" by David Chilton, I highly recommend these two great works!
@@ElectofGodfromEternity thank you 🙏
@@FormerA-theist5354 Welcome, and the Lord bless your studies!
The world will get better when Christ returns. THAT is when His kingdom will fill the whole earth!
All the descriptions of the kingdoms growth is slow and gradual.
Little leaven that slowly permeates throughout the whole loaf
Small stone cut out of rock not with human hands which slowly grows into a mountain that fills the whole earth
A mustard seed that grows into a great tree that all the birds of the air feed off of.
There are more but all of these imageries are slow gradual growths. It’s a process.
Any premillennialism view if consistent states that it’s a small rock that suddenly becomes a mountain covering all the earth. A seed that suddenly sprouts into a great tree, etc.
Good video, brother! Although I don't hold to postmillennialism or preterism, I can understand this. Ever since I was saved by the Lord, I've noticed in the Scriptures (and this is only by the Holy Spirit) that God's prophecies always have an immediate fulfillment and a distant fulfillment in God's time. For example, the prophecy of the Lord Jesus Christ in Isaiah 7 has an immediate fulfillment with Isaiah's son who was to be born at that time and in that situation, but the main focus is on the Messiah later. Then the prophecies concerning the nations of Assyria, Babylon, Medes, and Persia and how they all reflect the Day of the Lord in 70 A.D. and the Day of the Lord at the end in the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. When the Lord speaks, He speaks in the past, present, and future tense all at the same time. So while the prophecies in the Old and New Testaments speak of immediate fulfillment, I still believe that they also speak of future events, given the nature of God. God bless and may He continue to use you for His glory!
Yes. We could also look at it as dual fulfilment or already, but not yet type prophecy. The abomination of desolation in Daniel 11 is a great example of this. The first fulfilment happened in 167 B.C. with Antiochus Epiphanes (which led to the Maccabean revolt and the celebration of Hanukkah, also known as the feast of dedication in John 10:22), but Jesus talked about it in the future tense in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, implying that Daniel 11:31 has dual fulfilment.
@@eclipsesonic Exactly.
Good job, getting back with the twins.
What I find is shocking is that so many people believe in a Pre Trib rapture and there's no scriptures that support it. No, not even just one! However, the Bible says that people will believe a lie.
I don’t agree with this take at all. There is more division in Christianity than ever before. World accepting more and more sinful practices as rights. Love growing cold. How exactly are things getting better?
Agree. The purpose of the rapture is also judgement. To remove believers from the earth is a form of judgement. There will be chaos without people filling positions in the workplace. People with a great deal of knowledge and skill. People with patience, kindness, gentleness and other fruits of the Spirit gone from the earth. Where will the soup kitchens be now? The crisis pregnancy centers, or Teen Challenges? People with a strong work ethic. Doctors, lawyers, contractors, teachers...gone! The World will not be a pleasant place.
Thanks, Jeff for your "love" and commitment to Christ
The key is the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24.
"Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near - at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place."
The fig tree in the Bible represents Israel because fig trees are native to Israel. What Jesus was saying was that when we see Israel become a nation again, that is when endtime events will occur and the generation that was born when Israel becomes a nation will not die out before the events occur. Israel just celebrated its 76th anniversary. Most people live between 75-100 years old. I believe that we are going to be in the great tribulation in the next few years.
Pastor Jeff, do you know much about the spiritual woo as it relates to the great reset?
Might all this... everything... be satan being loosed for a season after the 1000 year reign?
More theology like this.
Repent of your ignorance!
Jeff... is there a book written that step by step explains all the links between Jesus, The Olivet discourse, AD 70, all the OT prophets, etc? Like text book that paints the whole big picture?
God is not done with Israel!
Not even close to done with them. Replacement theology is dangerous
Doesn’t the Gospel say over and over again, that we are saved by grace, through faith? And that Paul taught this same message over and over again, to gentile and Jew? That he was in the synagogues, preaching this every Sabbath? Are the branches who don’t believe, broken off as the wild olive branches are grafted in? Read Romans 11 in the context of the whole chapter and consider that some in Israel at that time, were elect, and meant to learn this new means of grace eventually, just as Paul did. Whenever we see a few verses that seem to contradict a mountain of other verses saying what we know for sure is true, we must study more and reconcile them.
@@matts.6558sGod’s grace for all who believe is dangerous theology?
Hasn’t He already defeated death with eternal life?
You mean he defeated death. He died for us ALL so we have a way for our sins to be forgiven. If you confess with your mouth Jesus Christ is Lord and you believe in your heart God raised him from the dead. Then, you will be saved and have ETERNAL LIFE. ❤🙏🏻🇺🇸
Rite,Helene
Brother, God be with you and yours.
Out of love, I ask you then...
When did John write the Book of Revelation. This stands against this idea that the Tribulation has already come and gone.
That being said, I would love to invite you to our church in Evansville Indiana to share End Abortion Now. I would love to stand together with you in this.
What do you guys think of the little season theory being proposed lately referenced in Rev 20?
Wasn't the old covenant was overthrown long before 70 A.D.?
Is anyone familiar with the free Bahnsen U courses on Apologia? I know it probably doesn't count as actual college credits but do you receive any sort of certificate after you complete all courses?
Scriptures tells us that Jesus will come like a thief in the night, that nobody knows the hour in which He will come, not even Him but only the Father. We are also told that He will come at an hour we are not expecting which tells me that we may be experiencing a time of peace and safety when He comes. We may see His return for the rapture after Israel finishes their work securing their land and borders when there will be a time of peace and safety.
The pre-trib rapture stuff can get a little wild and out of hand, but we are definitely heading towards the great tribulation..does it start in a year or a hundred I don’t know but it is building up indeed. Postmil on the other hand makes the pre-tribbers look more reasonable
@@matts.6558 That's the allure of postmill. It's more pragmatic, which is a fatal flaw in my summation. To them it's easier to change the meaning of scripture and believe that all prophecy is fulfilled. God does super natural things everyday. His ways don't comport with the logic and philosophy man takes comfort in.
Research quantum physics. + that to super advanced AI that's increasingly 100X day after day after day without end. + that to a culture that wants NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR CREATURE GOD ALMIGHTY. + that to a world wide monetary system that is SOON to eventually collapse worldwide and then all governments bring in digital payments and no more cash. THEN REREAD REVELATION CH 13.
***now God could do a worldwide reset and crash all electronics and we have hundreds even 1000s of yrs left on this Earth. BUT unless God himself ends where our society is sprinting to within the next 2-3 yrs... and I think the mark of the beast system is in operation, just waiting for the antichrist to reveal himself.
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Probably not the time. I think something so undeniable will happen that every believer will know it couldn't be anything but God. That being said, we have been in the end times since Jesus ascended to heaven.
I know people believe that Revelation was written before 70 A.D. but here's why I don't think that. Here is what the church father Irenaeus said about the date of Revelation, in Against Heresies, Book V, Chapter 30:
"We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign."
Domitian reigned from 81-96 A.D., so a 95 A.D. date is very solid and likely and Irenaeus was Polycarp's disciple (whom himself was the disciple of the Apostle John) and Irenaeus lived in the 2nd century, so if I think I'll side with him on this.
What is the antecedent of εωραθη, that which "was seen" no very long time since? Was it "him who beheld" or "the apocalyptic vision." The best evidence late date advocates have and it's an ambiguous statement from the same church father who claimed Jesus lived to be 50 years old.
Hmm, I don’t agree with Jeff’s eschatological views at all but I would love to see him debate someone like Donny from Standing for Truth.
Correct, JD does not understand the Bible and is not a Christian. No debate of any kind is of any value. One is either spiritually dead or spiritually alive. Nothing said in any debate can change this.
But I always read in what your saying in Isaiah that when it speaks of Israel, right after that it literally explains who Israel is,cans that is Christ. Isaiah is very specific on calling the Jews Jacob, and Christ Israel in my observation. Im I reading it wrong?
Zechariah chp12 and chp14 will Isaiah chp 19 well be full filled.
With this interpretation would we be in the millennial reign? I’m not totally done with the sermon yet so just in case it gets answered, forgive me
This interpretation is not very good. Go read Zechariah 12-14. Isaiah 60-66. Ezekiel 40-48. Jeff wants to spiritualize all that. Lots of unfulfilled prophecy. Rev 20 clearly distinguishes a 1000 year earthly reign. Jewish apocalyptic texts speak of 1) the suffering servant 2) the reigning king. Jesus fulfilled the suffering servant prophecies. The kingdom has been inaugurated. We have yet to see the fulfillment of earthly judgement, tribulation, and restoration to Israel and the whole of creation with Christ as king on earth.
Jeff holds to replacement theology, but God's promises are irrevocable. Gen 12'15'17. Replacement theology means the church is the new Israel. 1) why would the new testament authors trouble distinguishing Jews from gentiles 100's of times? 2) read Romans 9-12 3) read the prophecies specifically addressed to Israel in the OT. 4) read all passages in their context.
Hopefully that gets you on the right track. Shalom, may the grace of the Lord Jesus be upon you and your family.
I'm a bit confused? Will there be a great tribulation?
If you keep listening to false teachers like the guy in this video, you will never learn any actual Biblical truth. The one and only tribulation began in the time of the apostles and will continue until Jesus's return on judgement day that is the last day. It has gotten worse and worse as time has gone on and in our day the tribulation is so great that the entire church is 100% apostate and every single person who claims to be a Christian in every church is not.
The very, very, very actual Christians that exist are all 100% outside of everything known as the church and that claims to be Christianity.
So you think the tribulation has already happened? Because if that were the case we would be in the millennial reign of Christ and I think things would be a whole lot better than they are. Doesn’t make sense to me.
if you want to know revelation you must read daniel with it they go him and him and hi jeff
'Let the scriptures interpret the Scriptures.' Whatever conclusions anyone arrives at, if it contradicts the obvious meaning when reading a New Testament book independently from all other scriptures, that is an unethical application. The reason is because that is disrespecting the author of that composition. I'm not saying Jeff, or anyone at Apologia Church, is doing that. But, this didn't get mentioned. IMO, in the first instance of reading any book, a person should try to understand what the author intended to say to the intended audience, and try to comprehend the composition without importing concepts by other authors in other books, where possible. Some of the time that's not possible, like when an author explicitly cites a different book, but often this is possible.
The fact is, EVERYTHING the entire church teaches, believes, and holds to contradict the truth of the Bible, and no one cares. There is no one interested in any actual Biblical truth.
Does this mean preterism? I'm trying to understand all this more.
Partial Preterism.
Just to understand, you interpret Revelation is a “review of past events” that had already occurred, instead of interpreting it as a prediction of “future events to come” … is this correct?
When Jesus came the first time part of the evidence he provided was fulfilling over 300 Old Testament prophesies. So staying true to character (as god does) when he comes a second time, he will have evidence of his identity and he will once again fulfill prophesy. What prophesy? Revelation. Right?!
I hear your position as you compare revelation to the past as though it’s a review, and I’m not saying you’re wrong. What I’m saying is that all these events will happen again, same but different, as prediction and evidence for the second coming of Christ.
Revelation seems to be a book of prophesy to be fulfilled so Christ brings evidence as he did prior. It doesn’t seem to be just a past review.
I am not a biblical scholar. I don’t know for sure. I couldn’t even win a debate on the situation. But Gods character has been to predict future events, show up and fufill those as evidence and it seems his character stays the same and thus we need future prophesy not to scare us, but just to provide evidence when he comes to fufill a second time.
Postmil say that it was a prophecy written before the destruction of Jerusalem. But now we read it as a past event
You are 13 years in already...
Every era thinks it's the end times
there is no "great tribulation". There WILL BE great tribulation or trouble. Daniel's 70th Week may be about to begin which is Peace and Safety, then sudden destruction otherwise known as Jacob's Trouble. And there is no rapture for gentiles. Daniel's 70th Week is about Israel!
Don't apply the logic from the intro to baptism.... You'll be a reformed presbyterian in an instant.
Christian eschatology begins in Genesis with the pronouncement of the curse.... One of my favorite's is Daniel. So so rich in world history but in particular the interpretation of the statue from the King's dream. Babylon, Medes/Persians, Greeks, and thennnnnn the Islamic Caliphate. Not Rome. I'm still studying myself but Joel Richardson explains it perfectly in a way that requires zero mental gymnastics and it's explained with academic literature/historians. Rome never destroyed the Greeks. The greeks were assimilated, improved, protected, etc... and Daniel's interpretation required the conquering people to destroy the land the Babylonians ruled on. In fact, the Roman kingdom didn't even reach the land where Babylon even was... However, the Islamic Caliphate completely destroyed and conquered all of the land of Babylon and most of all of the land Rome occupied.
There so so much more to dive into and consider if the AC is indeed to rise from a revived Islamic Caliphate.
It's a fascinating teaching and read from Joel Richardson. Available for free on his website. Don't have pay a nickel. He's preaching and teaching this since the early 2000's.
You’re being mislead.
@@Setapartbytheking care to elaborate or are you here to just say that I’m wrong? That’s the prime issue in most of these videos when I comment an opposing viewpoint. Nobody knows enough what they believe to debate. They just say the equivalent of “nuh uh!”
Jeff believes there is no coming tribulation and all of Revelation up to chapter 20 was fulfilled in 70 AD. It is very easy to prove him wrong using a little church history and common sense. I am not saying church history replaces the Bible, but hear me out. John wrote revelation and discipled Polycarp who then discipled and taught Iraneus. These men did not teach any fulfillment of these things in 70 AD whatsoever and lived beyond this time. Polycarp lived from 69-155 AD, Iraneus from 130-202 AD. Moreover, the vast majority of the early church fathers for the first few centuries believed in what is called Historic Premillenialism (which is in opposition to the 70 AD fulfillment), which is exactly why it is named as such - "Historical". Wouldn’t common sense imply that historic premil wouldn’t be the majority opinion if this all occurred in 70 AD, given they held to this position after this date? Rather, the majority of the early church fathers, some with direct or near direct contact with John, would simply have adopted the preterist viewpoint of Revelation (and Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 13 etc) and we probably wouldn't even be discussing this. But that’s not all what they believed. Why is that then? How can we ignore such a simple truth, and throw this kind of church history out the door especially when some of these men had such close ties to the apostles themselves? Does scripture teach the church will gradually build up to a full realization of the faith, or does it say the faith was once for all delivered to the saints and that in the latter times people would not endure sound doctrine anymore (2 Tim 4:3-4)?
I can't emphasize this enough, the church is less than a handful of decades old by 70 AD, yet the majority if not all the church fathers that followed this time remained Historical Premil? You have to cast this type of basic history aside and throw all those early church fathers under the bus for not understanding eschatology and what actually happened in 70AD.
Further, going back to Iraneus, again taught by Polycarp who was directly taught by John the author of Revelation, he (Iraneus) wrote in his famous book "Against Heresies" that John authored Revelation at the end of Domitian's reign, he ruled from 81 to 96 AD. So how can a prophetic book be written after the prophecies have almost entirely been fulfilled, or completely fulfilled if you're a full preterist?
Of course preterism is all an unbiblical manmade fraud. The fact is, everything the entire church teaches, believes, and holds to is all unbiblical manmade nonsense. There are no Christians in the church!
The answer is no, it already happened in 70AD. Exactly like Christ said with urgency in Matthew, Mark and Luke. Ready to call before back and read Jesus’s own words when he talks to the disciples. Flavius Josephus even describes events he witnessed that line up with Revelation. So no the great tribulation is not about to begin, it already happened. You’re in Revelation 20 in Satan’s little season currently.
God still has a plan for Israel and us “Christians” should stand with Israel and not deny the natural branches ROM 11. 1948 establishment of Israel was no accident..God bless
Jeremiah 32:37
Behold, I will gather them from all the countries to which I drove them in my anger and my wrath and in great indignation. I will bring them back to this place, and I will make them dwell in safety.
That happened in the church. All those from nations throughout the Roman Empire which included gentile nations received salvation in Christ both Jews and Gentiles.
Romans 9: 6-8.
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
offspring meaning one. That one would be JC. This makes more sense than the pretrib pro Zionist that I was lead to believe.
The Jews are an apostate body right now and hate Christians. We have no obligations to support the current Zionist state of Israel. We have a duty to preach the gospel to them.
The Apostle Paul dismantles the entire foundation that Dispensationalism is built on (God having two distinct people groups). The true offspring of Abraham and those to whom the promises are given are all who are in Jesus Christ.
Galatians 3:26-29 (ESV)
[26] for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. [27] For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
This is so clearly laid out in Ephesians 2.
Ephesians 2:11-22 (ESV)
[11] Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands- [12] remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. [13] But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. [14] For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility [15] by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, [16] and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. [17] And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. [18] For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. [19] So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [20] built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, [21] in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. [22] In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.
True Israel is Christ’s ekklesia (Church).
How is LUKE a pastor after he openly swears in videois
The truth is, everyone involved with this ungodly false worldly church is not a Christian.
No
NO, NOT WHILE THE CHURCH IS STILL HERE ! RAPTURE FIRST !
Wrong! Repent of your ignorance and your fake christianity!
No.
The world is already in the tribulation probably since 2023, Jesus will come after it, just at the very start of God's wrath; genuine believers will be saved from the wrath of God as it is LITERALLY described (you are leveling literal and hyperboly to be the same, but the tone of the writers and context says you are wrong), not the great tribulation (in Greek: big pressureful grief, μεγάλη θλίψη).
Joel speaks of two stages of a prophecy, but it's separated by a huge time gap of grace. The wrath of God (not on His believers of course) is the second stage and it is what Jesus is talking about in Μatt.24:29-31 and Luke 21:23-28, 34-36 and Rev.3:10(&21:35),16:1-4.
Wrong! The tribulation began in the time of the apostles and will continue until Jesus returns on the last day that is judgement day. You are completely Biblically illiterate and know nothing of the truth of the Bible. Repent!
@@DeletedShadowbanned-m5u But you sound demon possessed filled with hatred.
No! The great tribulation has already happened. Jesus Himself referred to that period in 70AD as the TRIBULATION. And that one is the only and final one.
I don't agree at all with your eschatology and do not at all come to the same conclusions you do (1Cor 15 being a good example), but I appreciate your ministry overall.
Then bring arguments dont just say nothing at all
@@alexkalfsbeek4371 no. If you are saved, may God bless you. If not, please consider Christ's salvation.
It is very very clear that the millennial kingdom hasn't happened yet. You can't 'imagery' and 'allusion' your way out of that one. :)
The amillennial position is that the 1000 years is not a literal 1000 years and refers to Christ reigning over his kingdom from heaven for the entire period of time from his ascension to his second coming.
Actually it's not clear. Jesus specifically said THIS GENERATION will not pass away. He was talking to those alive at the time, not us...WE are REIGNING with Him now. Go & spread the GOOD NEWS of the GOSPEL of CHRIST..
I agree that we should all read our Bibles Biblically, and in context, that's how we know that positions like Amil and Postmil are not positions that Christians can hold, based on the words of Jesus.
In Matthew 19:28, 25:31-34, Jesus says that He will assume His glorious Davidic throne and reign over Israel *in the regeneration* - this takes place at the time of His bodily second coming when He comes in glory and with all of the angels with Him, at the time of the sheep and the goats judgment when He will judge the nations of the earth, separating believers from unbelievers, *and not before* (cf. Luke 1:32-33, 2 Samuel 7:12-13, 17, Isaiah 9:7, Revelation 3:21).
Since Postmil and Amil positions assert that Jesus is now sitting on His glorious Davidic throne, when in fact He isn't, we know those positions are false. Jesus specifically says that He is NOT yet reigning on the Davidic throne.
The fact is, you are completely Biblically illiterate and know nothing of the truth of the Bible. Repent, and learn what the truth and the Christianity of the Bible actually is.
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Nice bait
Ick.
Psalm 146:3-5
Put not your trust in princes,
in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation.
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth;
on that very day his plans perish.
Blessed is he whose help is the God of Jacob,
whose hope is in the Lord his God,
Jeff's a post-tribber, so he'll say no-those things all happened already. He'll say things are going to get better and better until Christ returns. Look at the world today, it's great! 😂
I know. I actually do hope they're right. But... I sure ain't seeing it.
He's not a post-tribber. He's postmillennial. Big difference. I don't think you understand Jeff's eschatological position at all.
Neither does Jeff.
Hmm let me think. A bad day for us today would be our AC going out on our car. I would say it’s getting better
@@redeemedchannel5580 Jeff's position is both well-reasoned from the Scriptures and has a rich tradition in the Church going back centuries.
I hope so.
Don't listen to this fast teacher
Thank you 🙏🏻